Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 1: Everyone, welcome back to Are You a Charlotte? We are
Speaker 1: here today with part two with Michael Patrick King. Always
Speaker 1: a good time. Thanks for joining us when you were writing.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to connect it all to Charlotte. So
Speaker 1: what I see when I watch the scene with Cynthia especially,
Speaker 1: is like Charlotte and Kristen are kind of dealing with
Speaker 1: the evolution of Charlotte in terms of getting out of
Speaker 1: some of the boxed elements of her right, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: she's always trying so hard, and she's peppy, and she's whatever,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and now we're really we're really stretching right. Heartbroken, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's heartbroken, and also but she's still going to try, right,
Speaker 1: but then she doesn't know how like that, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's like you can't just deviate, right, and we're
Speaker 1: going to get to the point where I'm laying on
Speaker 1: my couch and carry comes and that's such a beautiful scene, right,
Speaker 1: Like you're so you're but like building block by building block,
Speaker 1: comfortable leave the situation.
Speaker 2: You can never you can never lose gravity. You can't
Speaker 2: suddenly go someplace where the audience goes, wait, did I
Speaker 2: miss an episode?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: It all has to be a little bit ahead, but
Speaker 2: just a little.
Speaker 1: Bit of head right, right.
Speaker 2: If it's too far ahead, they don't understand started to
Speaker 2: see Oh she's covering, Oh she's covering. Oh that's going
Speaker 2: to be hard. And then you see the nobility of
Speaker 2: her coming at the end and choosing friendship.
Speaker 1: Exactly, And that's what we were talking about. I don't
Speaker 1: remember that scene at all, which is interesting because I
Speaker 1: was worried about the other scene. But I don't think
Speaker 1: I was worried about that scene. But you can tell.
Speaker 1: I could tell when I come in the door that
Speaker 1: I've already been crying. Yeah, right, So that was interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a choice, right, I think
Speaker 1: it's probably just whatever take or whatever and me having
Speaker 1: all like at that point there is pent up, you know.
Speaker 1: And then and I couldn't remember what I was going
Speaker 1: to say, which I love, right, not on the scene
Speaker 1: when I was watching, right, And I love that that
Speaker 1: you don't know.
Speaker 2: Also we want and didn't want the audience to know.
Speaker 1: Right, It worked so good.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, they're all acting Samantha's giving her
Speaker 2: tea right the way Samantha gave Carrie, uh breakfast in
Speaker 2: the movie. Yeah, she was devastated. There's like a weird
Speaker 2: nurse that shows up in Samantha very rarely when something
Speaker 2: emotionally devastating, Yes, which is in the air because you
Speaker 2: don't see it coming, but she barely doesn't even say anything.
Speaker 1: Totally she's great. Well, it's also like in My Motherboard myself,
Speaker 1: which I had remembered the general storyline, but I didn't
Speaker 1: remember the payoff. Right, so good, so good.
Speaker 2: So the thing that people used to say is why
Speaker 2: is the show? So why do people still watch it?
Speaker 2: It's because of the love, not the sex. It's the
Speaker 2: love of these women for each other. And the sex
Speaker 2: is fantastic because it's humiliating. Everybody relates to it, and
Speaker 2: it's comic and it's human.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's human, and there's not actually and survivors.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's really the moments where you know, Miranda
Speaker 2: jumps out of the aisle at her when Carrie jumps
Speaker 2: out of the isle at Miranda's mother's funeral she was
Speaker 2: going to walk with, or when Miranda respects what Charlotte
Speaker 2: says yes, and then still holds that space for her
Speaker 2: as they say, walking down the street in New York
Speaker 2: amongst everybody else, not even aware that they're having this crisis,
Speaker 2: and it's it's the moment of you know, the comedy
Speaker 2: of Carrie in the bathroom Aiden saying did you tell him?
Speaker 2: And Sarah Jessica is so comic in that scene do
Speaker 2: it all now? Like it's pure candy for her, Like
Speaker 2: like she's not even she's like like a little rock
Speaker 2: on a pond, not even saying the line. She just
Speaker 2: perfectly needed. Yes, different way to add something to the same.
Speaker 2: Definitely abortion storyline.
Speaker 1: Definitely an incredible It's incredible. Okay, let's go back to
Speaker 1: the beautiful and the clothes.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean now you see it like
Speaker 2: Kerry walking in in that kilt with the mail.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've forgotten about that one.
Speaker 2: It's right now.
Speaker 1: We should have gotten that outfit out. You have to
Speaker 1: show Sarah outfits to juggle. That is so completely incredible,
Speaker 1: Edgy current, Yep, I know it, I know it. I
Speaker 1: mean they were just all of it is just delicious
Speaker 1: and talking about Definitely, definitely, but also because I think
Speaker 1: and I just want to go back to like when
Speaker 1: you okay. So at this point we've got Jenny, We've
Speaker 1: got Cindy, Darren is.
Speaker 2: Oh this is full room? Is Darren gone gone? Got
Speaker 2: on season two? Gone?
Speaker 1: I thought?
Speaker 2: Is a complete raw rock star female room. Allan Heinberg's
Speaker 2: there is Yeah, Yeah, yeah, We've got to find Alan
Speaker 2: Alan Heinberg's there. It's a very.
Speaker 1: Strong Amy Harris.
Speaker 2: Amy b Harris, Julie, Elisaz coming maybe there okay, Cindy,
Speaker 2: Jenny and me. It was a big ass room of
Speaker 2: people with a lot of feelings, a lot of opinions,
Speaker 2: a lot of female information, and a lot of humiliation, comedy,
Speaker 2: humiliation and all this. All we did was just mine
Speaker 2: what happened, what happened, what happened on the weekend, And
Speaker 2: no one was pregnant, but everybody was still feeling it's
Speaker 2: hard to be friends with people all the time.
Speaker 1: You mean, like the people who are pregnant and are
Speaker 1: now like in a different world.
Speaker 2: A lot of the stories were mining female friendships.
Speaker 1: Yes, they age got it, that's true.
Speaker 2: You know, like when you fall apart, when you come
Speaker 2: back together, what's legitimate. You know, we've done many, many
Speaker 2: stories where the women fell apart At one point in
Speaker 2: the movie, after Miranda held the secret that she told
Speaker 2: Big to not get married, she sent carry yellow flower
Speaker 2: yellow roses and saying, you know you have to forgive me.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember that.
Speaker 2: Yes, the friendship flower yellow roses, the flower for friendships.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: So Miranda sends her this a big arrangement because she
Speaker 2: won't return her call.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: So it was always about realizing that these female relationships
Speaker 2: that you have are relationships, their past friendships totally the
Speaker 2: relationships that's the loves of your life. As we said
Speaker 2: with Big in the Finaley, Yes you're the loves of
Speaker 2: her life. Yes. So all those women had friends and
Speaker 2: some of and then within the room we have interactions
Speaker 2: and we're still friends. Yes, thank god, you're still friends. Yes,
Speaker 2: that is the strongest continuing friendships of writers of all
Speaker 2: the rooms I've been in a group. It's very hard
Speaker 2: to maintain a group. You'll fall in love with one
Speaker 2: person and they'll stay in your life, but a group
Speaker 2: moving along was a testament to the camaraderie of that room.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a testament to you choosing them.
Speaker 1: And could we talk a little bit about that because
Speaker 1: you're really the maestro at this point. And Julia and
Speaker 1: Alisa had never written a script before Motherboard, which is insane.
Speaker 1: How did that happen? How did you find people? How
Speaker 1: did you choose people and bring them along?
Speaker 2: Well, it comes from their writing. First of all, you
Speaker 2: read something that they wrote, and to me, it's a voice,
Speaker 2: it's one thought. It doesn't feel like writing, it feels
Speaker 2: like life. And Juliane and Elisa wrote a script, a specscript.
Speaker 2: I don't even think it was our show, but I
Speaker 2: immediately new they have a voice that I haven't. It
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like it's written. It feels like it's alive.
Speaker 2: Everybody on the page has something. When I look at
Speaker 2: scripts that other writers are wanting me to do, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'd look for the one thing and it can be
Speaker 2: one completely original sentence and I go, oh, I've never
Speaker 2: heard anybody write that. Wow, that's what you look for, Okay.
Speaker 2: And then that's first, and then you meet them and
Speaker 2: it's all about the energy, and it's like, do do
Speaker 2: I feel funnier across from them? Do I feel smarter
Speaker 2: across from them? Do I feel like more myself across
Speaker 2: from them? That's important because that means that you're going
Speaker 2: there's something there that you want to entertain, which will
Speaker 2: bring up the better part of you is in the room.
Speaker 2: And then there's that are they humans right? Are they
Speaker 2: safe right? Are they come to bolt? Are they humble?
Speaker 2: Are they group right?
Speaker 1: Because that's important important. So then when you're in the
Speaker 1: writer's room, because anytime any of our writers come on,
Speaker 1: it's like there's so much that obviously I didn't ask
Speaker 1: you at the time, right, and I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: about it. So you would have people come to la
Speaker 1: pre before the season, like in between the seasons. Tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that process.
Speaker 2: There's a pre room where you sort of plow up
Speaker 2: the field. Can you get all the dirt going? And
Speaker 2: what did you think over the hiatus? What did you think?
Speaker 2: What could it be? What could it be? And I
Speaker 2: always came in with the map, a very strong impulse
Speaker 2: to start in a very strong impulse.
Speaker 1: You already envision, already.
Speaker 2: Imagined a journey, got it of each of the characters,
Speaker 2: got it. And then the side trips or where everybody
Speaker 2: else is like what if we do that? What if
Speaker 2: we do that? What if we do that? What if
Speaker 2: we do that? What if we do that, what if
Speaker 2: we do that? But when we were in Atlantic City
Speaker 2: doing the Atlantic City episode, Yeah, they still talk about
Speaker 2: the fact that in the middle of that season I
Speaker 2: put them in a hotel room with me and I said,
Speaker 2: here's season the next season, or here's the next season,
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, So sometimes it comes to you
Speaker 2: and then it's it's a trial, it's a jury room.
Speaker 2: Do you like it? I mean, I'll give you a
Speaker 2: perfect example. I've said this before. Some writers in the room.
Speaker 2: Julie Rottenberg did not want to see Aiden again. What
Speaker 2: when Aiden left? She was like the first time goodbye? Wow?
Speaker 2: When after the wedding and they didn't get married. After
Speaker 2: Charlotte got married and Aiden went his way, I felt
Speaker 2: very strongly that Carrie and Aiden was strong. John Corvett
Speaker 2: and Sarah Jessica were amazing together. So I came into
Speaker 2: the thing, I think Aiden comes back and Julie protecting
Speaker 2: our integrity of not repeating and not trying to duplicate
Speaker 2: something was like absolutely, and everybody was like what, And
Speaker 2: then somebody else had a couple of minutes I agree
Speaker 2: with that, and I said, Okay, give me reasons Aiden
Speaker 2: shouldn't come back, and they quoted Samantha that whole crunchy
Speaker 2: granola thing, that turquoise jewelry crunchy granola thing. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you're using our own words against us.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, okay, so you don't want
Speaker 2: to see that. Aiden, I raise you that, and I
Speaker 2: go you one better. I acknowledge that and go you
Speaker 2: one better. What if he comes back different, so then
Speaker 2: we can maintain are not the same thing? He said,
Speaker 2: what if he comes back hard? There's a rock and
Speaker 2: ripped and they're like and with his hair cut and
Speaker 2: they were like what, oh, wait a minute. And then
Speaker 2: I went to John Corbett and I took him to
Speaker 2: lunch at Jones and we were eating. He was eating
Speaker 2: fried chicken and he's eating fried chicken and mashed potatoes
Speaker 2: and we were in a booth and I said, hey, John,
Speaker 2: we want to bring you back. He said, oh, that's
Speaker 2: that's cool. That's cool. I said that you've got to
Speaker 2: come back worked out, ripped with short hair, and he
Speaker 2: goes on nude. I was a fatty and he rolled
Speaker 2: over on his side and that nude I was my god.
Speaker 2: And then I was like deal and he says yeap wow.
Speaker 1: I love that you made those men work out.
Speaker 2: Love that people sometimes say to me like actress after actresses,
Speaker 2: and I go, are you kidding me? They have to
Speaker 2: show up at five am and they click on a
Speaker 2: neon bright light in front of a makeup mirror at
Speaker 2: five am and they have to sit there take it.
Speaker 2: And then the journey to getting in front of the camera,
Speaker 2: and it's so hard to relax and open up in
Speaker 2: front of a camera. And I remember one time when
Speaker 2: we were doing the episode where they go to the
Speaker 2: Playboy mansion in the LA episode discussed. It was the
Speaker 2: scene where they were supposed to drive up in the
Speaker 2: blue convertible and and in the sound and in front
Speaker 2: of the fountain, and the sun was hitting the fountain
Speaker 2: and you were nowhere to be seen, none of you.
Speaker 2: And I was like, the sun's leaving. The sun is leaving.
Speaker 2: And they were like, well, they're not here, and I
Speaker 2: was like, the sun's leaving off. You were down a
Speaker 2: hill of Playboy in a trailer and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm losing the sun. And I got in a golf
Speaker 2: cart with my hair on fire, went went down boom
Speaker 2: across the speed bumps Playboy mansion gate. Boom parked the
Speaker 2: car and knock, and I opened the door to like say,
Speaker 2: let's go, and the four of you were in the
Speaker 2: chair and there was some sort of cool music playing
Speaker 2: from the nineties or the seventies or whatever, and you
Speaker 2: all just literally looked at me like this, Oh no,
Speaker 2: don't bring that in here. And I closed the door
Speaker 2: and I never pounded on a makeup door sense, because
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's a thing.
Speaker 1: It is a thing, that's a ritual, that's definitely church, definitely.
Speaker 2: Energy, that has nothing to do. And eventually you got
Speaker 2: the message and you all showed up and we got
Speaker 2: the shot and the sun was hitting the water and
Speaker 2: you were all adorable. But it was like, it's a
Speaker 2: lot to get ready to be on camera.
Speaker 1: It is a lot. It is a lot. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: It was a delicate It was a delicate thing in
Speaker 1: the trailer, you know what I mean, And that we
Speaker 1: also had the whole hair and makeup team right by
Speaker 1: that everybody had exactly you know, and.
Speaker 2: It's just it's a delicate thing to be To go
Speaker 2: back to Kuda what he should have to be at
Speaker 2: the end of that block, know that there's twenty extras,
Speaker 2: Frankel says, action and you know, twenty five feet from
Speaker 2: now you have to cry.
Speaker 1: It's true, It's true. It is an actor. It's really
Speaker 1: hard thing to do. But I will say this generally speaking,
Speaker 1: and this again is just growth. Right. You know, I've
Speaker 1: been an acting class forever, you know, previous to this,
Speaker 1: right like forever. And I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't acting class since I was like
Speaker 1: ten years old, right till like even after college. Then
Speaker 1: I went to college for it was a lot of
Speaker 1: acting class. And acting class can kind of mess you
Speaker 1: up in a way, right, because it's not exactly the same,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying. Surprise, it's different
Speaker 1: when you get definitely. But they also talk about raising
Speaker 1: the stakes, raising the stakes, raising the stakes all the time,
Speaker 1: which I do think is important for comedy. That's how
Speaker 1: you make comedy work. It's like to internally raise the stakes, right,
Speaker 1: But that's a fine line to walk. Also, And early
Speaker 1: on before you came, I don't think you were there
Speaker 1: because I don't remember your face there there made me
Speaker 1: reshoot something. Did I ever tell you this?
Speaker 2: I think I know this story, but it was the pilot.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, no, not the pilot. I want to say,
Speaker 1: like the first or second episode directed by that woman,
Speaker 1: that lanky independent film woman, Alison McLean. I believe, I
Speaker 1: feel I could be wrong. I think it was up
Speaker 1: the butt situation where I have to tell the guy
Speaker 1: that I don't want to do it, you know, after
Speaker 1: the cab ride.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, and I wrote you, I find it very
Speaker 2: hard to believe I wouldn't have been in the.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, but let me tell you what
Speaker 1: Darren said to me because I don't remember your face
Speaker 1: in this event, right, I think so interaction basically I
Speaker 1: had to reshoot it. One of the only things I
Speaker 1: ever remember how to reshoot because I cried and Darren
Speaker 1: was like, you don't care, and I was like what
Speaker 1: and he goes, you know, there's a guy around the corner,
Speaker 1: and I'm like there is, but you know me right,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like, you're speaking Mandarin to me. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're saying, like what he's like because
Speaker 1: he knew the show that he wanted to do, right,
Speaker 1: which was going to be like basically a guy a week,
Speaker 1: a guy an episode. Because I was like when I
Speaker 1: when I go to confess to the guy that I
Speaker 1: want nice sheets and whatever, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: be the up the gut whatever the exactly.
Speaker 2: That's too far, that's just not fun.
Speaker 1: Definitely, that's how I perceived obviously. So and then I
Speaker 1: had to reshoot because he's told me you were too upset.
Speaker 1: You were too upset, and I was like, okay, so
Speaker 1: I had to go back and reshoot. That's what acting
Speaker 1: class will do to, right. It's like everything is that
Speaker 1: to have the deep, deep stakes, do what I mean.
Speaker 1: So then when I but then I think I had
Speaker 1: relaxed all of that, right because like be on a show,
Speaker 1: especially our show, which you have, you know, so many
Speaker 1: scenes like coffee shop scenes in this scene and that scene,
Speaker 1: in so many different types of scenes where and tell
Speaker 1: me what you think. I think that one of the reasons,
Speaker 1: like one of the obviously coffee shop scene is very
Speaker 1: hard to film, very long, but when you watch them,
Speaker 1: so fing enjoyable, right because everyone is so present, And
Speaker 1: that became to me like I just want to be present.
Speaker 1: I'm going to have of course, all of my underlying.
Speaker 2: It's all it's all up the butt. With season two,
Speaker 2: Season one, I think it's five or something.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, maybe it wasn't that then.
Speaker 2: Season one, episode four, okay, okay, So everybody, everybody's like,
Speaker 2: what is this totally you know, like and the tone
Speaker 2: of anything. When you get to the set, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I saw it a different way. I've been so many surprised.
Speaker 2: I've been surprised. My whole journey has been going from
Speaker 2: no to I don't know, like just you see something
Speaker 2: and it's not how you saw it. You thought it
Speaker 2: was going to go, and you react rather than eventually
Speaker 2: you start to go, oh that's is that better?
Speaker 1: That's better?
Speaker 2: How can it be both? So it's but it's all new,
Speaker 2: it's all it's all seventh graders putting on a show
Speaker 2: at the beginning, so everybody's just not knowing what it's
Speaker 2: supposed to be. Definitely, but by the time we got
Speaker 2: to the coffee shop scenes, and also I will say
Speaker 2: the coffee shop scenes were the rockets exactly what you
Speaker 2: were supposed to do. They were rather attack tack at
Speaker 2: tack five, six, seven, eight, whereas a scene telling a
Speaker 2: man that you don't want to be missus up the
Speaker 2: butt is a weird definitely collab of comedy tragedy. Yes,
Speaker 2: so that's more open to Am I failing? Do we
Speaker 2: have it?
Speaker 1: Is it done right right? Definitely?
Speaker 2: But the coffee shops boom but boom, but boom but boom.
Speaker 2: I've been I've been dating and unexhausted. Where is he?
Speaker 1: Definitely boom Definitely.
Speaker 2: Everybody was fake eating or real eating in Cynthia's case,
Speaker 2: like a motherfucker hitting their marks, nailing it. Because of
Speaker 2: the coverage. Everybody had to be concise. It was really choreography, definitely,
Speaker 2: and it was usually feast of ideas. Everybody had a
Speaker 2: different point of view and you knew who you were
Speaker 2: playing very clear what was supposed to be happening. And
Speaker 2: in the coffee shop scene in this one, very interesting departures.
Speaker 2: Charlotte's left the coffee shop scene twice. This time she
Speaker 2: gets up and leaves mad and when Carrie's when she's
Speaker 2: when Samantha's talking about funky spunk, she gets up in
Speaker 2: disgusted like that, and Miranda says, and she's ever coming
Speaker 2: back a comedy. This one is a painful one. She
Speaker 2: cannot be there and she lowers the boom right right.
Speaker 2: Let a residence in the room that we then cashed
Speaker 2: in on the whole rest of the episode.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, definitely Do you remember when you had Cynthia
Speaker 1: eat and get stuff in her teeth.
Speaker 2: Of the olive tampa she had the braces? Yes?
Speaker 1: Is that just so much fun for you?
Speaker 2: So much fun?
Speaker 1: She was so into it. I remember being so concerned, like,
Speaker 1: that's too much like that?
Speaker 2: Okay, Cynthia, I know she goes. There is I don't
Speaker 2: know if I've ever told you this story.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 2: There is at the episode where she makes the cake okay,
Speaker 2: and she wants to have a cake and she goes
Speaker 2: to a pa yard and the cakes are like forty
Speaker 2: seven dollars and she's like bullshit. And Miranda goes and
Speaker 2: gets a Duncan Heinz cake and she makes a sheet
Speaker 2: cake because she wants to have that cake. She wants
Speaker 2: to reward herself with the cake. And the episode was
Speaker 2: she can't stop eating the cake. She keeps into the
Speaker 2: truck and she calls Carrie and says after she this
Speaker 2: was a duty told God rest her sweet talented soul
Speaker 2: story of she couldn't stop eating things. So she threw
Speaker 2: the cake and the thing and that wasn't even enough.
Speaker 2: She knew she'd take it out of the garbage, so
Speaker 2: she puts palm olive dishwashing liquid all all over it
Speaker 2: so she won't pick it out of the garbage. And
Speaker 2: Miranda says, I'm calling you. This is your friend, Miranda,
Speaker 2: I'm calling you from the Betty Crocker home instead of
Speaker 2: the Betty Ford. Wow. But I didn't direct it. Alan
Speaker 2: Culture directed and he was an independent filmmaker, and he
Speaker 2: was a I would say, a hot shot cowboy. He
Speaker 2: had a lot of ideas and themes and magically funny
Speaker 2: anymore pork pie hat into it, Yes, And I one
Speaker 2: of the few nights I wasn't on set and it
Speaker 2: was very late and they were shooting the scene where
Speaker 2: Miranda just keeps cutting the cake smaller and smaller and smaller.
Speaker 2: But he saw I've committed myself to the Betty Crocker clinic,
Speaker 2: and he ran with it so that he had Cynthia,
Speaker 2: in a like stylized moment, eat the cake, smear it
Speaker 2: all over her face, slide across the floor, took chocolate
Speaker 2: fingers up and down on their walls. And I saw
Speaker 2: the footage and it was full indie film. It was
Speaker 2: Requiem for a Dream. It was everything expressionistic. It was
Speaker 2: a I think it was an the phrase big swing wow.
Speaker 2: And I was like, and Cynthia was chocolate on her
Speaker 2: face and she was her fingers were going down the
Speaker 2: wall and she was in the corner in the camera.
Speaker 2: He had the candheld camera coming up and she was like,
Speaker 2: she was possessed. And I saw it and I was like, what.
Speaker 2: And he goes, she went crazy, and I go, but
Speaker 2: she can't go crazy. She's a character on our show.
Speaker 2: And it's one of the few things. And he said,
Speaker 2: but in the great I said, it's great, but something
Speaker 2: else go there, Wow, it's it's supposed to be a
Speaker 2: relatable the evening taking the piece of canpen refrigerator. So
Speaker 2: I mean we had to shoot the whole thing, yea.
Speaker 2: And so they came in. She had she was she
Speaker 2: was in her pajamas in the character and she came in.
Speaker 2: She walked by me and she said it wasn't good. No,
Speaker 2: it was good. Committing Miranda to a mental institution. That
Speaker 2: was fun. She did love run run with it.
Speaker 1: Of course, anything you give her, which reminds me. We
Speaker 1: did talk to the Lovely Man that she vomited on
Speaker 1: they vomited that we had to cut.
Speaker 2: We cut it, tell us that was right, it, I
Speaker 2: mean it was rough. It was the idea, we're gonna
Speaker 2: get so drunk that when she's having sex with this
Speaker 2: hot guy, she's all detective, she's all up in her
Speaker 2: and literally she's so drunk that she vomits down on him.
Speaker 2: And we had a and I've always wanted to do it.
Speaker 2: We never pulled it off a giant O's because I
Speaker 2: always imagined as a comic director, the idea, incredible amount
Speaker 2: of vomit comic.
Speaker 1: Can we not do it on them? Just like that,
Speaker 1: Come on, I'll.
Speaker 2: Tell you that's okay. And it always has to have
Speaker 2: And we had this tube on Cynthia and she did it,
Speaker 2: but the tube kept going and then it was like,
Speaker 2: well this isn't it is too much?
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 2: So then I tried it again on it, just like
Speaker 2: that when Sarah Jessica's were carrying with John Tenny and
Speaker 2: we had the thing on on her and it was
Speaker 2: like just you could see it and it wasn't working,
Speaker 2: and then she said, I don't want to put that.
Speaker 2: The guy from Special Effects wasn't good. He was fired
Speaker 2: after that. Oh, No, it was a guy who came
Speaker 2: on vombit expert. Oh dear, wasn't oh my, and so
Speaker 2: we got rid of him. But Sarah Jess said watch
Speaker 2: and we had a giant two liter thing of Dinty Moore.
Speaker 1: That's what I understand.
Speaker 2: She chugged it. Oh my. Then she like some animal,
Speaker 2: made it come out, kept a second chamber, watched and
Speaker 2: did it again. No, And I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: know how I did that.
Speaker 1: I don't either.
Speaker 2: It was real, Oh my god, she did it herself.
Speaker 1: Without We have to discuss this with her speak of it.
Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, I should not be
Speaker 2: speaking of it, for it was so impressive as a
Speaker 2: this isn't working.
Speaker 1: She always knows what she will.
Speaker 2: She knows she does, like, this isn't working. Forget that,
Speaker 2: give me the thing that thing. And I was like, well, boom,
Speaker 2: and the thing you see in the show is purely
Speaker 2: her no effect.
Speaker 1: I don't fantastic. I didn't know the details.
Speaker 2: She somehow went full and then somehow retained some and
Speaker 2: went full again, because it was two that's in the comedy.
Speaker 2: Was I'm fine, she throws up, I'm fine, she throws up.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, did it, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then Tenny's sorry doing he was like, all right,
Speaker 2: give me something. He was doing it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. And that was like in the
Speaker 1: wee hours at some Yeah I was not there, but
Speaker 1: I was like, that's like a callback.
Speaker 2: That was rough. People lost their jobs and she saved
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: Wow, amazing, amazing, And I never heard the story. Thank
Speaker 1: you for telling us that story. I mean, she's amazing,
Speaker 1: she is amazing. But did you feel that you had
Speaker 1: achieved your your your funny vomit?
Speaker 2: Never did it the way? And I finally saw it
Speaker 2: done on the Righteous Gemstones Okay, same where they found
Speaker 2: out that their father was probably not going to live,
Speaker 2: but he did before the four siblings were out in
Speaker 2: front of the hospital and they did it no way.
Speaker 2: And then another one it was.
Speaker 1: We need to find that vomit.
Speaker 2: Expert, so barcicle, and it was belonged on their show.
Speaker 2: Not that different to do that anymore.
Speaker 1: Because I saw somebody you're okay, okay, good good, So
Speaker 1: seeing it made you feel happy as dirty.
Speaker 2: There was one bit I never got into the show,
Speaker 2: which was a hard on threw boxer shorts. Okay, the
Speaker 2: scene where Charlotte surprises Trey drunk and he gets hard before.
Speaker 1: They get married. Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Thing that makes her think, oh this will happen, or
Speaker 2: after they get married when they were separated. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I think that's when they're separated. Yeah, don't have to
Speaker 1: go out with the girls.
Speaker 2: And then and Kyle came to the set and I said,
Speaker 2: here's this and he had Ralph Lauren boxers and I said,
Speaker 2: I want a giant tint of I remember this, and
Speaker 2: he was like, I'm not. I can't do that and
Speaker 2: I'll have nothing. I can't do that. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: What did he mean, I'll have to?
Speaker 2: I mean, poor Kyle, Kyle. He showed up to be
Speaker 2: Prince Charming and I told him on the day, which
Speaker 2: is why he took the job, because he thought, well,
Speaker 2: that's better than being just handsome, right, But he thought
Speaker 2: that was too far, and I was like, god, damn it,
Speaker 2: it's funny, and I let go of it until I
Speaker 2: saw forty year old virgin no biggest laugh in the movie.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, though, is when I was watching it,
Speaker 1: And this is the interesting about rewatching all this time later,
Speaker 1: I did have a memory of there's something being weird
Speaker 1: about watching that scene. I was like, there's something weird
Speaker 1: about this because also we're supposed to kind of have
Speaker 1: sex standing up ish, Really we come in as this
Speaker 1: sudden thing, right because that's his thing.
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, it was rare because you reached below
Speaker 2: frame but there was nothing to reach to. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah, like it was on CBS suddenly.
Speaker 1: Totally yes, And I did think that. I was like that,
Speaker 1: So why did we do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle was such a great sport. It was just
Speaker 2: for one morning. It was a very early shoot.
Speaker 1: Because I got it, got it, got it. Question I
Speaker 1: have about that? I remember, tell me if I'm wrong
Speaker 1: that he was only supposed to be on like five
Speaker 1: in the beginning episodes, so.
Speaker 2: I don't have any awareness of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, did you think because it was all supposed to
Speaker 1: be the way you described it to me at least
Speaker 1: at first, was that you know, Charlotte's got this goal
Speaker 1: right and she's like hell then, like we're going to
Speaker 1: get the gold. But remember how he was supposed to
Speaker 1: be boring, Like when we're on the boat with Big
Speaker 1: and Carrie, Carrie's they're not together, BIG's on the boat were.
Speaker 2: On the That's the thing we were talking about it before,
Speaker 2: is like, what's really happening here? And Kyle is far
Speaker 2: from boring. There's nothing worrying about him, right, So then
Speaker 2: it probably just became more and more and more and
Speaker 2: more and more. I mean, David Eigenberg came in an
Speaker 2: audition for ten Men Before Life and he was never
Speaker 2: the thing, and I kept thinking, who's that realistic guy?
Speaker 1: Definitely, what can we.
Speaker 2: Do with him?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So not an actor? Yes, And then we thought, well,
Speaker 2: Steve the bartender and just David came in and read it,
Speaker 2: but we wrote it for him. And Kyle is so
Speaker 2: much more than borings. He is a little weird though
Speaker 2: with all that alrighty, then he's a mama's boy. That's
Speaker 2: different than being boring, definitely. But I mean the more
Speaker 2: the more we got into the gold mine, then it
Speaker 2: became about the who's rubbing the vix on his chest? Right?
Speaker 2: It's just all that was.
Speaker 1: Funny, so sad and so sad twisted.
Speaker 2: Franny God rehearsal, Oh my god, so incredible became so
Speaker 2: real and Kyle was so real and Charlotte was so real.
Speaker 1: At that point, did you have the idea from the
Speaker 1: get go of the mother of Franny being Bunny.
Speaker 3: Being Okay, so that was we had the part of
Speaker 3: the mother got it, the manchild.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, so he was supposed to be a manchild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and the dueling Chanel's oh me.
Speaker 1: And Bunny got it?
Speaker 2: Yeah. We knew that she would be an Upper east
Speaker 2: Side Doyenne and that Charlotte would be an Upper east
Speaker 2: Side not a Doyenne.
Speaker 1: Got it. But like you know, how it laid out,
Speaker 1: and then I have to say what I'm worth than everything,
Speaker 1: which we're not. Yeah, yeah, did you see did you
Speaker 1: have all that planned or did it.
Speaker 2: Just by the time we were filming it? Yeah, But
Speaker 2: it becomes evolved. It only evolves off of Wow, christ
Speaker 2: and let's just do more of that. Let's keep going there.
Speaker 2: It just keeps becoming more and more interesting. And we
Speaker 2: believed Charlotte was a real person. So when you believe
Speaker 2: someone's a real person and you have a permission to
Speaker 2: tell real stories with yeah, yeah, and I mean the
Speaker 2: heroics yea of her sticking up for herself and I
Speaker 2: mean incredible.
Speaker 1: I remember also being very nervous about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because Charlotte a very nervous, like who's
Speaker 1: ever been in that? Like, oh, it's so hard. Question
Speaker 1: also just about character and things. How did it come
Speaker 1: about that you decided to have Samantha have the relationship
Speaker 1: with Maria, you know her when she decided to try.
Speaker 2: To be like because it was about sexual expression. Samantha's
Speaker 2: character was about being an adventurer and having no judgment
Speaker 2: about sex at all, and so all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the Maria character would have to be somebody who had
Speaker 2: a vibration, and Samantha followed vibration. She could almost send
Speaker 2: sex in the room. So she was like, all right,
Speaker 2: and it just became a color. And also it was
Speaker 2: probably something that would it was first of all ahead
Speaker 2: of the curve, but it was also something that Samantha
Speaker 2: would probably allow her self to experience. But of course
Speaker 2: the whole thing was like so she could say to
Speaker 2: the three of you ladies, I'm a lesbian. It was
Speaker 2: all for the reaction of you. And then the real
Speaker 2: reason we did it is to put up a spotlight
Speaker 2: on the fact that Samantha has intimacy issues and it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman.
Speaker 1: Definitely, well that was the funniest part was like, you know,
Speaker 1: poor Maria trying to talk to her.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, trying to make her like a lesbian.
Speaker 1: Right because they liked to talk.
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's too much so, you know, we
Speaker 2: wanted to underline the male part of Samantha that people
Speaker 2: thought she was kind of alpha. Was like, ugh, these
Speaker 2: ladies in their conversations, it's always about turning over the stereotype.
Speaker 2: Like if we thought we were talking about men is bad,
Speaker 2: then we wanted to make Samantha be like what they
Speaker 2: complained about men, you know, like it's all about what
Speaker 2: else can we do?
Speaker 1: That's funny, right, which I love.
Speaker 2: And then you get somebody like Sonya Braka and she's like,
Speaker 2: well that's believable totally.
Speaker 1: I mean, how did you get her? We were a
Speaker 1: very good show at that point, right, got it, got it,
Speaker 1: got It was kind of a show for sure. We
Speaker 1: were a show. I mean, if you ask any of
Speaker 1: these actors that I have had on who are in
Speaker 1: New York at the time, we were that from the
Speaker 1: first season, which is so funny because I don't remember that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But.
Speaker 2: By that you mean a show in New York.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly that.
Speaker 2: A television shot.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, that's the other funny thing to remember.
Speaker 1: And you just reminded me of something I had Chris
Speaker 1: Albrecht on on Zoom. It was really fun. It was
Speaker 1: really fun.
Speaker 2: It was good. I mean brave. He was a brave man.
Speaker 1: He really was.
Speaker 2: Just kept saying, hilarious, forget it, I know, just do
Speaker 2: your thing. I know, no notes right, right, And one
Speaker 2: thing that was what a great champion for us, I
Speaker 2: know it and for the ideas, yes, and in.
Speaker 1: General, not just for us, for the Sparta first, like
Speaker 1: there's so many things that were happening Larry Sanders before us,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. There were so many things.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that we talked briefly about
Speaker 1: and I wanted to get your opinion on it, because
Speaker 1: of course it's interesting to hear from his perspective because
Speaker 1: I was having my own perspective, but I'm sure you
Speaker 1: were having yours in that. And you know, we're about
Speaker 1: to have the Devil Wor's part of two right, directed
Speaker 1: by David Frankel from Our show, and Devil Worre's Part
Speaker 1: of one in Chris's mind because I asked him something
Speaker 1: about like, how you know the whole gestation of the
Speaker 1: Sex and City film and you know the ups and
Speaker 1: the downs I know, and how you know, how did
Speaker 1: it happen in your mind or whatever? He said that
Speaker 1: when the Devil Wor's part of one came out, he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's our film, and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh really he said that's where I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we've got a We've got to figure that out. I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, it's so interesting and random over there
Speaker 3: in that world, the executive world.
Speaker 2: Did a product out before.
Speaker 1: Us, apparently. I mean, in Chris Aalbrik's mind, can anyone check?
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't I find that seven? Then? Yes? Six were four?
Speaker 1: No, that's when the show ended. Our movie came out.
Speaker 1: Two doesn't eat really, I believe?
Speaker 2: So interesting? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can an even check? Pretty sure? Yeah? Weird?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean for us, emotionally, it's it's all well, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I don't know about that. I do
Speaker 2: know that every time a woman's movie does well, they
Speaker 2: opened the door for another one or two movies to
Speaker 2: come in, and they forget totally that they did well, right,
Speaker 2: and then their show it's very convenient to forget that
Speaker 2: the budget was blank and it made blank. Forget all
Speaker 2: of that, like it's an outlier. Oh, that's probably right.
Speaker 2: Delaware's product made money and then they thought, well, what
Speaker 2: else can make money? They wear clothes, right, But then
Speaker 2: it's up to us to make even more television show
Speaker 2: that became a movie that did a big thing, and
Speaker 2: then they forget again. Right, they're still forgetting to day,
Speaker 2: they're still forgetting. I'm sure product will do really well
Speaker 2: and then they'll be like, oh, all right, what else?
Speaker 2: What do we got?
Speaker 1: Definitely I hope someone's ready with something.
Speaker 2: I mean they it's really interesting how they conveniently forget
Speaker 2: there's a female audience.
Speaker 1: How does it happen? It's insane and infuriating and also
Speaker 1: now the joy is, as Jenny was telling us, the
Speaker 1: older female female audience has the buying power. Like she
Speaker 1: had a detail about house buying. Caulse, You remember that
Speaker 1: episode where Miranda's buying her apartment that Jenny boat is
Speaker 1: so brilliant, right, and you know, because I'm always buy
Speaker 1: myself buying things, it still happens, you know, you have
Speaker 1: to just like it's you just like there's only one
Speaker 1: person who's going to sign this like it's it's just me.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very weird for people. But we talked
Speaker 1: about that and she said that I believe she's so
Speaker 1: that there's more single women over forty or something like
Speaker 1: that buying houses than any other group or something crazy,
Speaker 1: so exciting those people can buy movie tickets.
Speaker 2: Hello he did Rivalry?
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby, Rivalry.
Speaker 2: You know, they that came out of nowhere. And that's
Speaker 2: the other thing. They always are surprised when women movies
Speaker 2: do well, Yeah, because they have. They come out of nowhere, right,
Speaker 2: they're specific, right, and they're not.
Speaker 1: Also figs movie h incredible, incredible.
Speaker 2: Amazing, so good does not translate to uh, let's do
Speaker 2: ten more of movies with female characters, right, damn it,
Speaker 2: Maybe it does. I'm not sure she's going to get
Speaker 2: to do part two. Maybe all yeah, of course he
Speaker 2: is right. But maybe it's a great movie and it's fun.
Speaker 2: It was in roller Coaster to go see and ye,
Speaker 2: people laughing, and the women are smart and great and
Speaker 2: flawed and yeah, yes, but maybe it's all just the
Speaker 2: business is contracting. So it feels like or is it
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, technically it is right, like, technically the business
Speaker 1: is contracted.
Speaker 2: Us the conventional wisdom.
Speaker 1: I do think there's numbers to back that up. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: All right, everyone, guess what we have more Michael Patrick King,
Speaker 1: so listen for part three this week. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just too much fun when he's here. So I just
Speaker 1: talked to him about everything, And thank you guys for listening.
Speaker 1: As always, join us again for are you a Charlotte