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Speaker 1: Was okay in that. Yeah, that's one of my better ones.

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Speaker 2: You got a couple other pretty good ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got your favorite. I got lucky.

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Speaker 2: It's a dumb question. I hate when they go, what's

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Speaker 2: your favorite movie? I have to say Barnie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you got to be barniey Robell. That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we gets to be Bernie Rubell Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you did great. I didn't see that one.

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Speaker 3: Madlits.

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Speaker 1: It's so bad.

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Speaker 2: It's good. Guilty Madnesses, Sun List, it's so bad.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 3: One bad mo.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Stephen Baldwin. Welcome to the One

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Speaker 2: Bad Movie. Quite thrilling, Old friend, old buddy, old thespian

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Speaker 2: partner Michael Manson in the house, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: So the concept, Michael, you please, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 3: Brother.

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Speaker 2: The idea here with One Bad Movie is it's a

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Speaker 2: podcast to talk to people in Hollywood about bad movies,

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Speaker 2: because all we do is talk about the pretty good

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Speaker 1: That's a list of pretty good ones right there. They

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me, Stephen Bon Welcome to One Bad Movie, Michael,

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Speaker 2: ma watch, just watch Mike Madson, what's your one bad movie?

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Speaker 1: Christmas Crash, Chris, The Christmas Crash Chris is crash. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm attacked by a wolf and so they throwed us

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Speaker 1: in it. It's really super awkward, man. You know. The

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Speaker 3: Like, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, you know, and oh my god, man, but

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Speaker 1: you went with it. Oh yeah, you have to the choice.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. If that were I made it.

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Speaker 1: Get me in the neck.

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Speaker 2: You did that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you did the wholess Oh yeah, I wrestled with

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Speaker 1: and it's so awkward, it's so stupid. You gotta pretend

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Speaker 1: you're getting ripped apartment Michael, get him to bite your

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Speaker 3: That's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: It was one that was incredible.

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Speaker 1: We got it. We got it. Oh man, Oh, Michael,

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Speaker 1: Jesus was great. Yeah, and you're like, it's just take

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Speaker 2: You've all had a couple of those.

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Speaker 1: Mike. No, I know, I know you're so handsome. You

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Speaker 1: know you remind me of ist. No, who's the guy

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Speaker 1: from uh Breakfast at Tiffany's Gee, George for Part. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: nobody's ever said that to you. Oh Stephen, come.

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Speaker 1: You're you're George for Part from me very first time

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Speaker 2: Is what's your name? Vanessa Johansson?

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Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know she had a sister.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's terrifical.

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Speaker 1: Here's the bad guy, he's terrible, but he's at a

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Speaker 1: Look, why don't they ever get good mustaches on people?

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Speaker 1: It looks so horrible they I bet they didn't tell

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Speaker 1: George, let's get it.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Here we go.

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Speaker 1: You ever see George part in the blue Max?

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Speaker 2: Let me see some sharks, show me, show me shocks

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Speaker 2: If we ever did a remake of Jaws, could you

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Speaker 1: Yes, really it must have been. No, I know who

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Speaker 1: There's a there's a walk sock.

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Speaker 2: Who done it?

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Speaker 1: There's a walk down to the Okay Corral. There's a

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Speaker 2: How'd you find out about it? Without going completely off

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Speaker 2: So I could go on and on and on, Michael

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Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I I I appreciate it so much.

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Speaker 1: I was a big fan of of of Kirk Douglas

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Speaker 2: Yourself pretty much.

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00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: And I thought, wow, that's the good way to make

439
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: a living, you know, it's got to be better than

440
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: pumping gas.

441
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: Well, look, it gets back to that marathon Man Olivier story.

442
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, try acting? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think

443
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: it was nothing often right was Marathon Man was suffering

444
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: from the tooth thing or something.

445
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 3: And.

446
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 2: He had a scene the next morning where we're supposed

447
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: to stay up all night. He gets in the trailer, yeah,

448
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: and he's talking about it in makeup, and Olivier.

449
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: Says, good, try acting.

450
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: You know, one of these days, young man, you really

451
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: you should consider just acting.

452
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: No, you know who's like that as al Pacino's like that.

453
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: I did Donny Bresco with al uh. I didn't want

454
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: to read for Donny Bresco because I'm a terrible, terrible,

455
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: cold reader. I'm the same I can't believe. I don't

456
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: know what it is, but I can't. I don't like

457
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: to be put in a position where I have to

458
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: prove something. You know. I get mad. I said, listen,

459
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys know I can do this, And

460
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: so what's the point of making me read for it?

461
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: Because then I'm then I'm I'm not going to be

462
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: good your second guess, I'm not going to get the part.

463
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: So if I read for Donny Bresco, I'm not going

464
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: to get cast in the movie. So I'm not going

465
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: to read. And they passed me by and they weren't

466
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: going to do it, and they got another actor and uh.

467
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: And they tried to trick me a couple of times

468
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: into reading for it, but I didn't do it. And

469
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: then finally they said, okay, how do you feel about

470
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: meeting l And I said, oh, well he must have

471
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: casting approval and they go, well yes and no, and

472
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: I go no, no, no, yes, he obviously does. He said

473
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: well would you meet him? And I go, well, yeah,

474
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: of course, let meet him. Does I want to meet

475
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: al Pacino? I said, yeah, i'll meet him. I'll meet him.

476
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: And they said, well, we've got to fly you to

477
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: New York and I said, yeah, okay, yeah, So they

478
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: flew me to New York Man and these guys came

479
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: to the hotel and they had the lyric plugs in.

480
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: It was like me the President of the United States,

481
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: you know. They took me down a hallway and up

482
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: a stairway in in an elevator, and some guy named

483
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: Rocco picked me up, you know, and really it was

484
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: like a big thing to meet him. And yeah. As

485
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: we get there and there's a room with the door

486
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: and that he's in there, I'm like, wow, what do

487
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Al's in there? I said, okay, why are

488
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: you telling me that he's in there waiting for you?

489
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, you want me to go in there?

490
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's going there. He's in there. And I'm like, well, okay,

491
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, and they're all standing there with their ear

492
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: plugs like looking at me, and I'm like, oh, for

493
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: Christ's sake. So I go over and I opened the

494
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: door and say okay, man, and then I walk in

495
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: and it's a little room like this and there's Al

496
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: with his back to me. And he's looking out the

497
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: window all right, and there's bookcases behind me in his desk,

498
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, okay, he does say anything, So no,

499
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking around for something to do. And I took

500
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: this book out from a bookshelf that was behind me,

501
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: and I started looking at the book, and all of

502
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: a sudden, I hear I like that book. And I

503
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: look over and I realized he can see my reflection

504
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: in the window that he's got his back to me,

505
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: and he can see me with the goddamn thing. He

506
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: liked that book. And I'm like, I go and I

507
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: don't even know what book it is, okay, you know.

508
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: And now he turns around and he goes, you like

509
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: the script. And I go, yeah, I like the script.

510
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: You read the book. I go, yeah, I read the book.

511
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: It's better than that book. Yeah yeah he did. And

512
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: he goes, h, anything about a script you don't like?

513
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, there's one thing you know in

514
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: the book, Uh, Sonny Black has birds. He keeps pigeons

515
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: on the roof, you know, like Terry in the waterfront.

516
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: You know, he's got the birds on the roof. He

517
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: was a ha ha, you don't get the parts like,

518
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: what do you mean? I get the birds, I get

519
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: the parts burden for me and I go okay, all right,

520
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: and he goes, you got a problem with that, and

521
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: I go, no, well I don't have a problem. Okay,

522
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: you can have the birds. Well I got him. I

523
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: got him. I go okay. It was like a thing

524
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: like you wanted to know.

525
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 2: But I love it.

526
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: And I said okay, great. So I'm standing there, you know,

527
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: and it's like good, like ten seconds, man, just nothing right.

528
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking okay, and I go, well, is that it?

529
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: It is? Oh? Is that it? And I go, yeah,

530
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: is that it? Because I don't know, you don't know.

531
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: He was.

532
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: So awkward. It was so awkward. May yeah, I guess

533
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: that's it. And he didn't even answer me. And he

534
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 1: turns around again. He's looking out the window.

535
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: Do you think he was some character?

536
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: I don't know.

537
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: He might have been a freaking case.

538
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. But I left and I and I

539
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, that's it, man, I'm not going

540
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: to be in this movie. And I went back to

541
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: the hotel and I got in my room and I

542
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: was sitting on the bed. They got well, you know,

543
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to La and the phone ring

544
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: is my manager and he said, oh, you're doing Donny

545
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: Brasco just like that. And I never would have got

546
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: it if I had read for it. I probably would

547
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: never have even met l if I had read for it, right,

548
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: And there's no way you would have That's the way

549
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: it happened.

550
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: You just went and had a conversation.

551
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: About was about seven minutes. Yeah, that's all it was.

552
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: I think he was in character, and I ain't the

553
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: way second, but I think listen to the first word.

554
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: You like the book like you liked that, Mike, you

555
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: know you like that book?

556
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

557
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: I know it was very lefty. It was very lefty.

558
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: Is you know? It was very very very much the

559
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: way he did.

560
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: That because you, in my sense of the story, because

561
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: you stayed you, you stayed you. You know what you

562
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: just did?

563
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: You like?

564
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: What do you want to do?

565
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 5: Yeah?

566
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: It was there they said, come here.

567
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: You don't even hel Patito. I mean what I gonna do?

568
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: You know?

569
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you like that book? I yeah,

570
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: what book? I don't know what book it is. I

571
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: just took it off the thing, you know, I mean,

572
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to talk about. The birds Man

573
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, I got the birds.

574
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: But that's the next observation. And you watch the movie.

575
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: There's no birds of the movie. They never even gave

576
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: it to him. It's not even in the in the film.

577
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 2: But that's my point of why I'm wondering. Was nobody

578
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: atter because you were saying something like, Mabe, if he

579
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: is listening to you in that room and he thinks

580
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: you're the character, he's gonna go I get the birds.

581
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: No, no, sure, no, I get that. Yeah he was.

582
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: He was wonderful. We worked on a picture. I mean,

583
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: I probably never had a five minute conversation with Johnny Depp, right,

584
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, Johnny's like, he's not even in the same

585
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: room with you.

586
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: Okay, can I can I say something now?

587
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: But al Man he was every day. Al even showed

588
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: up and was off camera for me beautiful on days

589
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: when he wasn't even shooting.

590
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: That's wonderful.

591
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: He'd come in with a couple of coffee.

592
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 7: Where's Madson? Where's Madson? I'm like, I'm over here. It's oh,

593
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 7: I'll be here. I'll be over here, And I.

594
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: Say, okay, I wouldn't have to look at a light stand.

595
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: It was him, you know, I don't know. It's great respect.

596
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: Are we ken edit this as you know? So? I

597
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: just I mean, can I talk about Johnny Depp?

598
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I mean, ever Scissor Hands is

599
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that. Maybe I could, I'd be an

600
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: interesting Ever scissors Hands, I'd be I'd be really good.

601
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: You would you know. I would have made a great Batman,

602
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: but it just wasn't meant to happen. But when you

603
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: take Johnny and you put him in Donny Brasco, it

604
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: just didn't work for me. But there's no way that

605
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: guy would have been let in the family. I would

606
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: have bumped him off.

607
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: As an actor with your process? Does it? And I

608
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: know the answer ready? But how's it gonna? How is

609
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: it when it hits you that like, oh, I'm in

610
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: a movie. We just did a table read. I have

611
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: scenes with that person and they're not very good. Not Johnny.

612
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: I just mean, well, what's happened to me before? It's

613
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: happened a lot of times. It's it's it's tough, but

614
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: you got to ask yourself, look at how lucky am

615
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: I to be in this? I'm in it, and I'm

616
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm lucky to be in it. And that guy is

617
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: going to be that. Okay, then I have to make

618
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: it work somehow. You know, it doesn't. This doesn't work

619
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: for me. But I'm not the one who's putting up

620
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: the money for this. I didn't write it. You know,

621
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm not directing it. I just have to be this

622
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: other guy. And you have to deal with it, Steven,

623
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You know, you just have

624
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: to do it now.

625
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm going there. So with Depp, was there any moments

626
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: with Depp where you were performing opposite him and you went.

627
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: Oh, this guy's terrible. Yeah.

628
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was trying to I was trying to sugarcoat

629
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: that was terrible.

630
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: It was just boring. It was like lifeless. It was

631
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: a lifelessness to it that I couldn't comprehend. It made

632
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: no sense to me. You know, I'd see Bruno Kirby

633
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: pouring Johnny's cheerios, you know, in his trailer, there's Bruno

634
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: pouring cheerios for Johnny.

635
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: Why was he doing some method thing?

636
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: No, they were just hanging out, I guess, but it

637
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: was just it was the something happened to me and

638
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Johnny in the in the viper room. As a matter

639
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: of fact, I'd like to tell the truth of the

640
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: story if I could. But I went to see after

641
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: Donny Bresco. I had went to the Viper Room one

642
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: night and al Pacino was there actually, and there was

643
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: some band playing or something. But I knew Johnny owned

644
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: the Viper Room, right, and so whatever, you know, he's there,

645
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: and you know we were never friendly to each other

646
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: on the movie. Well it's something weird. There's a whole

647
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: other thing happened that I could tell about. But the

648
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: bad guys, the real guys, set me in Johnny up.

649
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: One time. They did a really mean thing to Johnny.

650
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: And they put a big rubber.

651
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 7: Rat in a room that had a battery in it

652
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 7: that made it move in a big rat trap, and

653
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 7: they made me push Johnny in the room and they

654
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 7: closed the door and locked him in there with the rat.

655
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: And when he came out, he was white faced. And

656
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: they said, that's because you're a rat in the movie.

657
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: You play a rat, you see it. But it was

658
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: all in good humor. You know, they weren't going to

659
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: beat us up or kill us, but they were letting

660
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: us know, you're playing us guys. This'll be real about it.

661
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But after that day, Johnny

662
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: didn't want to have anything to do with me because

663
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: he thought I had befriended them in the rat trick thing.

664
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: But anyway, we're at the viper room and these two guys.

665
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Was one guy, he starts nudging me at the bar. Right. Oh,

666
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: so you're you know in this movie with Johnny and

667
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. You know, it's probably happened to

668
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: you before. And You're like, no, man, you know, I

669
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: don't know you, and yeah, I'm in the ficture, so what.

670
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: But it became an aggressive thing, and I was like, okay, man,

671
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to get in a fight in here.

672
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: And so I'm in the bathroom and someone comes in

673
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: in the bathroom and the lights went out the bathroom

674
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: room and I'm like, oh, man, but I was in

675
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: the stall, not at the urinal. I'm in a stall

676
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: and the bamness the stall door like hits me, you know,

677
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: And I turned around and told darkness, and somebody hit

678
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: me right in the face and I fell back against

679
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: the toilet and it ruptured the glass tank on the

680
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: back of the toilet, porcelain tank, and all the water

681
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: came rushing out. And I got up and I came

682
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: through the door and this other guy was there, and

683
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: it was the one that was being a jerk at

684
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: the bar, and I smell I got a really good

685
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: punch right in a mug and he fell back against

686
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: the paper towel thing and he hit it so hard

687
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: that it came off the wall, all right, And just

688
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: then Al comes in the bathroom. Yeah, my little bread No.

689
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: He comes in and he's like, oh, and this poor

690
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: guy bounce off the wall and all the waters rushing

691
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: through from the broken toilet. And I'm standing there and

692
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: I was looking at me, and the two of them

693
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: run out, and I'm and I'm looking at that Al.

694
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: He goes oh, and I go, yeah, man, what the

695
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: And I walk out of the bathroom and I go

696
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: back over to the bar. It's really crowded and I'm

697
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: looking for these apps anywhere nowhere round and all of

698
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: a sudden, this big bouncer comes over. He's a big guy, man,

699
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: and he said you gotta go, and I said, okay, man,

700
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: and so I I slowly, you know, went out. But

701
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: I was trying to explain. These guys came in the

702
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: bathroom and they me up and what was that all about?

703
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: You know, the guy who asked me to leave. He said,

704
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: Johnny wants me to tell you that he thought you

705
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: loved him, and I'll never forget that. I said, well,

706
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what what does that mean? What did

707
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: that mean? I don't know what that meant? Right coming

708
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: from Johnny and then come over from and then and

709
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: the next day I got his agency calling my agent saying,

710
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: Michael Matson made a big problem in the viper room

711
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: last night. He broke the toilet.

712
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: Listen, I don't think Mike Madson's going to miss the

713
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: viper room very much. No.

714
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: I never went back there. I never went back.

715
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: Can the skin off Mike Madson's I?

716
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: I just I tried to explain the fact that I

717
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: didn't break the toilet. Uh and uh I wouldn't have

718
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: done that.

719
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: But you know it's weirder. Here's a here's a guy

720
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: who's a fellow actor, he owns a club. He could

721
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: have just called you. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yea, hey man,

722
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: you know, first of all, second of all, heard your

723
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 2: side of the story.

724
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, here I am putting him down for his

725
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: performance in Donny Brasco.

726
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: He's been asking he's been.

727
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: Great and other stuff. God bless him, but he didn't.

728
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: And Donnie, I thought you he's lucky. Al was underplaying Lefty.

729
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: That's all I can say.

730
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: Free Willie, Yeah, why me? So you go from playing

731
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: certain characters. You ask the director in Free Willy, why

732
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: did you cast me as the dad? They say, we

733
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 2: were looking for a dad with an.

734
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: Edge, who wanted someone with an edge.

735
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: So when you're making Free Willie, yep?

736
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: Uh?

737
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: Is it all kind of case? Sarah Sarah, and you're

738
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: just it's a it's a fun, lighter, cushy job, and

739
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: you're just shut up and don't walk into the funiture,

740
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: furniture and know your lines.

741
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: I remember Lauren Schuler Donner. We were in Lauren Schuler

742
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: Donner's trailer watching OJ in the White Bronco because that's

743
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: when that happened while I was shooting Free Willy. Right,

744
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: it might have been Free Willy too. It was one

745
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: of those whale movies when that happened. Because she came

746
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: on the set and she goes, oh my god, oh

747
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: my god, you got to see this, and they stopped,

748
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: they stopped rolling, they stopped shooting to go and sit

749
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: in her trailer and watch oj in the Bronco for

750
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: like two hours.

751
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I mean, you know, tying

752
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: three WILLI is beyond genius.

753
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: But that's what happened.

754
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: Anyway.

755
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: I had a good I had a good time on

756
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: Willie I had. In the first movie, they were real whales.

757
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: In the second one they were animatronic robots. Yeah, because

758
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: we couldn't use real whales in the second picture because

759
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: the people that you know it all rights people got

760
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: really upset about the first picture.

761
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: Interesting.

762
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: In the first one, though, that's real, actual whales, and

763
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: Keiko was was a real whale, and you know, I

764
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: was in the in the water with the damn thing.

765
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: But in the second one they're all robots. They're rubber robots.

766
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: But in the first one, yeah, when you started Free Willy,

767
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: you're playing it's like a different character. Free but just

768
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: just indulge me. So you're in the is there any

769
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: moment I'm trying to be Mike Madson for a minute.

770
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm in the water with orcas I'm in Free Willy

771
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 2: the first one. I'm floating around going, man, this isn't

772
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: the hate late, you.

773
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: Know, No, I was fascinating to me. I was I

774
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: am a father.

775
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: It did inevitably come something you enjoyed. You had fun

776
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: of it.

777
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah I did. Yeah, I liked to be in

778
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: the I thought that would help me to get more

779
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: roles like that, because I thought I was getting pigeonholed

780
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: mister blond and I thought this is going to balance

781
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: things out for me a little bit. Maybe I'll get

782
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: some more you know, sympathetic parts if I'm the dad

783
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: in this thing. And uh, yeah, no, I was happy

784
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: with it. I was glad to be That's why I

785
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: did the second one. But I didn't do really three though.

786
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: They didn't have enough money to get me in the

787
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: third one. You know, by the end of the story

788
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: was over.

789
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 4: Were you shocked at like how huge of it hit?

790
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: The first one was?

791
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: Ah? I thought it was a good picture. I mean

792
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: I've seen it again recently and it holds up. I

793
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: mean it's a good picture. It really is. It's one

794
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: of those rare movies that it's as good now as

795
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: it was when it came out. It really it really is.

796
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: I was lucky to be in it. I love Laurence

797
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: sul she was wonderful to me. And Simon Winsor everybody

798
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: was a good experience. I don't remember anything negative happening picture.

799
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: I will say I think part of the reason it

800
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 4: still holds up is because they grounded it, And I

801
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 4: think that's probably why they cast you when they said

802
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 4: they had edge, it was like you you bring a

803
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: certain groundedness. Because I rewatched this a couple of times

804
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 4: now with my kid. There's not a scene that you're

805
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 4: in where it doesn't feel real.

806
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: No, I'm proud of it, man. It's one of the

807
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: one of the one of the ones I can look

808
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: back and say, yeah, I did a good job.

809
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 4: There's even in the scene where they're transporting the whale. Yeah,

810
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 4: there's this line that I'm like, in the hands of

811
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: any other actor, it would be ridiculous. It's like, what

812
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 4: are you doing? Why do you see in my truck?

813
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: And what are you doing with this whale? And like

814
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: with you, it's completely believable, but it would be a

815
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: ridiculous moment with anybody else.

816
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: I feel like, no, I'm not an actor, man. I

817
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: I've often wondered about that kind of thing. I think

818
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: I just uh, I never I didn't understand the status

819
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: Slavsky method thing. I didn't understand what it was supposed

820
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: to be. Because if you're supposed to tend that you

821
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: have a boiling hot cup of coffee in your hand,

822
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: why don't you just give me a bullying a cup

823
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: of coffee and then I'll play the moment because the

824
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: goddamn thing he's gonna burn me. You know what I'm saying.

825
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: Why should I pretended that? It didn't make any sense

826
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 1: to me? It just seems so stupid to me because

827
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was so afraid of being obvious that

828
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: I never wanted to pretend anything. It had him be

829
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: be truthful to me, or else I would feel really

830
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: bad about myself.

831
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: I got one different off the topic question, and then

832
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: I got a peek.

833
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: We'll go ahead. I gotta go. You know what, even

834
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: Alex go Oh, well, god damn it. Any minute.

835
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: He just finished a conference call. Okay, we're gonna take

836
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: a pee break, talk to him and you're out.

837
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, don't shoot.

838
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: Here's a deal.

839
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: No, I'm fine with you, brother, don't worry. You can

840
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: have No It's okay that I can. No, I won't.

841
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: I'll just I can remind him of a few things.

842
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: We'll see how he is.

843
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: Man.

844
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: I can I know him.

845
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: An amazing thing you said earlier about the acting was

846
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, like, well, you know, I saw Mitchem in

847
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: an interview and he was like still almost the same guy.

848
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just want to again, Michael, I'm not

849
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: blowing smoke. I'm not going to say things that I

850
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: think are a waste of time. Your ability to not

851
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: have trained like a lot of others, and to have

852
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: figured that out to literally on your own, in your

853
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: own common sense, just to go O, ways I could

854
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: have two and two is four and give me the

855
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: real cup of coffee, and it's amazing. I'm different than that.

856
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: You know.

857
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: I worked with Chris Penn, God rest his soul, you know.

858
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: I was working with them ones and he goes like this,

859
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: we're rehearsing. I put the pen. I put the you know,

860
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: the the weapon, the wallet to this. We're talking and

861
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: I go action. You know, we were doing rehearsal. And

862
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: I go, right, Charlie, I'll meet you down at four o'clock.

863
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: I put the pen, I do all the same moves.

864
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: We rehearsal three times. I put the props back. We

865
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: do it the same way. I just that's kind of

866
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: a way I do it with certain stuff. He turns around,

867
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: he goes, gosh, I don't eye you, Joy.

868
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: You remind me a.

869
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: Shot who cares the man and the nuality just like

870
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying, they're going. It was like one of the

871
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: nicest compliments you ever gonna give you.

872
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: You know, I love Chris Man. Chris, we had a

873
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: lot of drinking together. Oh yeah, we were dangerous together.

874
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: So in your generation, I miss him very much.

875
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: I missed him a lot too.

876
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: Bro.

877
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: I get two pictures of him.

878
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: He's the only person to get her out drink me

879
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: and I'll say so when you get to heaven, Chris,

880
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: God bless you man. True man.

881
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: But you you mentioned guys like Mitcham the list of

882
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: actors you mentioned like twenty minutes ago. Yeah, a lot

883
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: of young people today, Michael, they're not I know the name.

884
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: I know.

885
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: It's disturbing.

886
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: And that's why it's great you set him.

887
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons I'm sitting here with you, right.

888
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: I a great You know, I watched you man and

889
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: Billy and your and Alec and Daniel. For Christ's sake,

890
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, in the nineties, man, I knew all you guys.

891
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there isn't anybody anymore? Steven. Let's he's it.

892
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: They're gone. It's over for Nicholson, he's retired. You know,

893
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: Clint is one hundred years old. What are we gonna do, Steven?

894
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no.

895
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: Who is pray? All we can do is there's nobody

896
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 2: left kind of sort of it's faid to build titting

897
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: quick question in your generation? So now I want to know,

898
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: like Mickey Rourke, who are the guys?

899
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: Mickey's good? I like Mickey, but who are your heroes?

900
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: Not the generation, the Mickey generation? Who are the guys?

901
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: Willem Dafoe? Is there any other great in the Fall?

902
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

903
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: Who's stuff did you like?

904
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: Who was the guy who was in Platoma? Charlie with

905
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: a face messed up.

906
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: In a U?

907
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: Tom Berenger, Tom Barringer, brilliant, Tom Berenger, Man, Tom Behringer,

908
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: Mickey Rourke, what's his name? Aiden Quinn? Was good man? Whatever?

909
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: Whatever happened to crossing Jimmy Russell.

910
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: I just told these guys it is when we get

911
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: up on the show.

912
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: Adrian Brody, Yes, we should have Adrian on the show,

913
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's just wow, there's so few

914
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: of them.

915
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can select a few, definitely, I hear

916
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: what you're saying. But even older than Brody, Eric Roberts,

917
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: now he had some great performances. Star eighty was pretty hot, Yeah,

918
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: Papa Greenwage Village was pretty yeah.

919
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know all those guys. Denzel Washington was great,

920
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: you know in his early, early early stuff. You know,

921
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: he was going to go somewhere. You know, there's so

922
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: few of them.

923
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 2: I agree, And the worst part is, listen, I came up,

924
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: I did last night to Brooklyn. I came up and

925
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: got very blessed to be involved in a couple of

926
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: cool usual suspects. You know, I was lucky to be

927
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: in it, Like you said, you know some pictures, you're

928
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 2: just blessed to be in it for the opportunity. Yeah,

929
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, but I've seen guys and I'm not gonna

930
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: name names like you said, but just there's guys that

931
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: were in my generation who have gone on to have

932
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: great success, Guys who were not supposed to be big stars.

933
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: A list, guys who are guys who I thought the

934
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: wore never going to become that big.

935
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there were people that stuck out that stayed

936
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: in your mind like you and like your fucking brothers.

937
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: A great actor. Josh, I'm Josh Brolin. You know, I'm

938
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: glad you brought him up. I just saw him the

939
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: other day the market in Melville. Oh that's I had

940
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: never met him, and there he was and I said

941
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: I to him, he said I to me. I was like, wow, hey, man,

942
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: I always wanted to meet him. I thought it was

943
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: great in the old country for bad country, you know, Yeah, no, no,

944
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: he's yeah, for sure, I'm glad you brought him up.

945
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: Certain people have a certain sort of screen presence, and

946
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: that's the thing that there isn't anymore. There's that thing

947
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: you don't know, what is that thing? You know you're

948
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: so absolutely spot on correct anymore? Man, it just really isn't.

949
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: There's a force and a power that comes with a

950
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: confidence of presence and acting when you know really what

951
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: you're doing in your even if you're doing it wrong.

952
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: But now, like you said, I listen the last twenty

953
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: years the people that have played Spider Man. Now, the people,

954
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 2: these young, skinny, wafy guys playing these ass kicking superhero.

955
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't know. I think it's

956
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: a Oh man, I gotta be careful, and you know

957
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: I gotta keep working.

958
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: Hey free Willy for Michael Madson. Speak your mind, baby.

959
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: Well I didn't break the toilet in the Viber room

960
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: on purpose.

961
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: I gotta be I'm coming back.

962
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 7: Oh man, I can tell some stories that would be

963
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 7: really bizarrely saying I can get into so much trouble.

964
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 3: Man.

965
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: I've seen some things, man, that are just unbelievable, such

966
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: as oh god, Man, I don't know, so it's kind of.

967
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 4: Can can I ask, like, what do you think your

968
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 4: best performance is? Do you do you ever look back

969
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 4: at your performance and say, man, I was really in

970
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 4: the zone.

971
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: I did a picture called Strength and Honor. I played

972
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: an Irish American prize fighter, and I think probably the

973
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: best I ever did.

974
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 4: Strength and Honor.

975
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: Strength and Honor, Yes, Irish American Prize Fighter. It's a

976
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: story about my son. My son is gonna uh okay

977
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: and I have to fight to save my son's life.

978
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: And then never got any distribution, never came out.

979
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: It never came out.

980
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: No to me and Vinnie Jones. It's a great boxing picture.

981
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: I stopped smoking, I stopped drinking. I trained for three months.

982
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be a prize fighter and we

983
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: shot the movie in Ireland. I had like five or

984
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: six fights, like professional fights, and I had to fight

985
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: Vinnie Jones at the end of the movie, a big dude. Yeah,

986
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: Vinnie's a big dude. It's scary guy. I'm glad he

987
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: did it because he I needed to be afraid of

988
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: that person to make it work. But that movie never came.

989
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 4: Out, so it's just still sitting on the shelf, buried.

990
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: He buried the print of it and can't film festival.

991
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 4: Wow, mm hmmm, So is there there's no there's no

992
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 4: way to access it. There's no way too.

993
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: The thing is, once a picture is passed, it's time.

994
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: You can't re get it and re put it back

995
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: to the world. It doesn't work that way. If it

996
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: was a big movie, you can go Big Body and Clyde.

997
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: They could re release it tomorrow and it probably do

998
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: get great but strengthened honor. It's over. No one's ever

999
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: heard of it, no one ever saw it. They released

1000
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: it on video in the UK, which nobody even rented it.

1001
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 4: So there, so there are copies out there. I just

1002
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: I just need Yeah, it's out there, man, you can

1003
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: find it. I want to get it.

1004
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love strength and honor. I thought it was

1005
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: a great boxing film. There's no swearing, there's no cigarettes.

1006
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's a father son's story. I kill a

1007
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: guy in a ring in an amateur fight, and I

1008
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: tell my family that I'm never gonna fight again because

1009
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm so I feel so bad about killing this guy.

1010
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: And then I find out my son needs a heart

1011
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: surgery and there's a great big fight that that's a

1012
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: bare knuckle fight that they actually do in Ireland and

1013
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: it's a real thing that happens. And the prize money

1014
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: to win the bare knuckle is two hundred and fifty

1015
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and that's what I need to get to

1016
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: the operation for my son.

1017
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 4: And that's when you quit smoking. Was for that role,

1018
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 4: and you stop smoking since then?

1019
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: No, no, after that, I was back on everything.

1020
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 4: So after a few months, did you feel different, like

1021
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 4: having gone through the boxing training just like in your

1022
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 4: day to day did you feel like how different did

1023
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 4: it feel?

1024
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: Depressed? Didn't come out. I got really shattered and really

1025
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: depressed that it never came out. It really really ruined me.

1026
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 4: I hope people listening can rediscover this, this movie out

1027
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 4: there because I know I want to see it tonight.

1028
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 4: Can I just ask you a few more questions about

1029
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 4: Free Willy and stuff?

1030
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: Go ahead?

1031
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: So did you read the script or were you aware of,

1032
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: like what the original version of the script was, how

1033
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 4: the main kid was mute and he lived with nuns

1034
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 4: and all that work. Was that not on your radar?

1035
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: O Free Willy?

1036
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1037
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: I read the original script then I didn't. Ever, there

1038
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: was nothing about him being with any nuns.

1039
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 4: God that I remember that could be internet conjectured.

1040
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: Then, I know it was a lot simpler than that.

1041
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the script that I read was what we shot.

1042
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: That kid didn't want to be that kid. Jason did

1043
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: not want to be in the movie. Really, he didn't

1044
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: want to be the kid in the whale movie. Wow.

1045
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: You know, he would say all the time. He was

1046
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: just miserable. Wow. Let's say you're in the go buddy,

1047
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: you're going to be like this big thing. You're going

1048
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: to be the most famous kid actor in the world

1049
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: when this comes out. Don't you realize that? And He's like, Oh,

1050
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to be I hate this, Michael,

1051
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the Whale kid me. You know,

1052
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: I didn't notice that he wanted to be a guitar player.

1053
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: He wanted to be a musician, and he was obsessed

1054
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: with it. And you know, he could have been you know,

1055
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: huge if you would have taken advantage of it. But

1056
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be an actor. It wasn't his thing.

1057
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: Now I think he's realizing it of what he could

1058
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: have done or what could have happened, but it's too late.

1059
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 4: I think he moved kind of behind the camera, right

1060
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 4: he was doing producing or like.

1061
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what.

1062
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's doing. I don't know. We

1063
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: never really stayed in touch.

1064
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 4: When you saw the poster work. Was anyone surprised that

1065
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 4: everything about the movie gave the ending away?

1066
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, but but but back then, nobody realized that

1067
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: it was giving it away. You know, it's just a

1068
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: whale jumping through the air with the kid. Nobody knew

1069
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: that was going to happen. It was a big thing, man.

1070
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: It was a big, happy, happy family movie.

1071
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it was second behind Jurassic Park

1072
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 4: that year, which.

1073
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: Like to the cry when they see that, goddamn ye.

1074
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 4: My daughter loves it now. She was drawing an orca

1075
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: this morning before I left.

1076
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: I swear I did a lot of stuff in that movie.

1077
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: That's me driving the truck to the fence. That's me

1078
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: driving the truck. When the whales on the trailer. Wow,

1079
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: that's me backing it into the water. I did all

1080
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: that stuff in all the tot truck stuff was was

1081
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: actually me driving.

1082
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 4: And you knew how to do that just because you

1083
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: were mechanical and.

1084
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I d truck. Chicago. To me, it was like, oh, yeah,

1085
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: it's a great truck. That is a beautiful truck.

1086
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 4: Well part of Chicago did you grow up in?

1087
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: I was right in the city, like by Wrigley Field.

1088
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: You bring it, you know. My father was a firefighter

1089
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: at Chicago, and I went to I went to a

1090
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: Steppenwell theater. Uh acting school for about two days in Chicago,

1091
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: and uh, I was playing baseball and I was building

1092
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: a quarter mile drag cars. I want to be Richard Petty.

1093
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: That was my thing, being a movie actor.

1094
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: At what point did that change for you?

1095
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: Though? That's a long story.

1096
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: Right now. Oh good, Literally I just talked to him.

1097
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 4: Okay, cool on Free Willie too. Did anyone talk about

1098
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 4: how the message of the movie kind of negated the

1099
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 4: whole message of the first one, because like the whole

1100
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 4: point was, whales shouldn't be captured and confined. They let

1101
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 4: him out and then in part two he's at dying.

1102
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: I only did the second one because they paid me

1103
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: a lot of money. You know, that's the God's truth.

1104
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Honestly, you know what happened

1105
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: to the real whale. They tried to set the thing free,

1106
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: and they towed it behind a freek it find forget me.

1107
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: The goddamn thing escaped and they got a virus from

1108
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: the ocean that killed it. You know, So what's the

1109
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: big thing? Let's set it free? Well, hey, man, it

1110
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: might have worked in the movie. In real life, it

1111
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: didn't happen that way. Where did you get all these

1112
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: little posters?

1113
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,479
Speaker 2: You should get the goud on myself, bro, you should

1114
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: get the false ones.

1115
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: I love movie posters, man, I'm obsessed with him. I

1116
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 1: probably had about one hundred of them. My house burned

1117
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: down in Malibu. My house in Malibou burned down in

1118
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and I lost all my posters. I had

1119
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: so many, man, I probably had forty or fifty. I

1120
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: had some good ones. I had a good couple hundred

1121
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: grand worth. Yeah. Wow, they're all burned up in my house.

1122
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: I had a junior bonner that Quentin gave me, was

1123
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: an Italian junior bonner poster. Oh yeah, are we waiting

1124
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: for somebody?

1125
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got him. We're just dialing them in right now.

1126
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,959
Speaker 2: Can you hear me, buddy, hear me. We can hear you, sir.

1127
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: Hey, Alec, it's rudy. I'm telling your brothers some stories these.

1128
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 5: Movies, and I think no one's ever going to be

1129
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 5: able to play that.

1130
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: Part, you know, probably not. Yeah, he was so good,

1131
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, I just wanted to I was. I thought

1132
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: that al al the terry. I thought he was so good.

1133
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to be you know, I mean, who's going

1134
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: to do that? Nobody can do that, you know, fantastic.

1135
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: No thanks, Alex, but you know yeah, but I had

1136
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: you there with me, so it made it easy. No, Alec,

1137
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: come on, you were great and that thing, you know,

1138
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: you were man. You know you did a good job

1139
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: in that, Alex. You're you're handsome and you got the

1140
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: charisma of it. You pulled it off.

1141
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 5: Right now, this month of April, that's thirty years ago.

1142
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 3: Ninety four.

1143
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: That's scary. Man, that's that's scary. Well, yeah, I'm fine.

1144
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm uh, he looks great, man. I'm just trying to

1145
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: stay employed.

1146
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: You know.

1147
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 5: I tell my brother Steve, and I said, that was

1148
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 5: one of the funniest experiences I've ever had.

1149
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: We had a good time man down there.

1150
00:56:54,520 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, tough, tough sun and it was dry. But I

1151
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 3: think we went down one time over the border.

1152
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, we went over the border, just over the border

1153
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 5: from Mexico.

1154
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: It was one hundred and twenty six degrees one day.

1155
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it.

1156
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 3: Was really really hot.

1157
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 5: My favorite moment I told Stephen was they were there.

1158
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: None of us wants to go to work, you know,

1159
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 3: we got wrapped around.

1160
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to stay in the pool.

1161
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 3: You were in the pool.

1162
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 6: I don't need any other names, but just you, me

1163
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 6: and a bunch of special guest stars in the pool.

1164
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1165
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: And we're there, and you're laying in.

1166
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 5: The corner like a boxer in a boxing ring.

1167
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: The right corner.

1168
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 5: You got a bunch of dead soldiers around, a bunch

1169
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 5: of beer bottles and half eaten club sandwiches and this

1170
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 5: and that, and I was sitting there and the phone rings,

1171
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 5: and they got an old school.

1172
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 6: Regular telephone on a little hook on the side of

1173
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 6: the yeah, yeah, yeah there, And I run up there

1174
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 6: and I picked up the phone and you.

1175
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 3: Look at me and go Elick like, tell him I'm

1176
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 3: not here. Tell him I'm not here, Alex, and I'm

1177
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 3: doing my best Chicago accent, and they go. I go,

1178
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 3: and I picked up the phone.

1179
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 6: And I go hello, and on the other end, they're going,

1180
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 6: is mister Michael Madison there? And I go, mister Michael Mason,

1181
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 6: Michael Maseon like, no, Michael Madson, I'm sorry. I am

1182
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 6: so sorrry. He's not here, Michael Mason, I'm not here.

1183
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: And You're sitting there trying not to laugh, and I'm.

1184
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 6: Going, no, I'm so sorry. I go, is a mister

1185
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 6: Michael Mason here? And everyone's quiet, and I go, no,

1186
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry.

1187
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 3: He's not here.

1188
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 6: Misters No, it's Madson Madison And I hang up and You're.

1189
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 3: Like, God, damn it, Alec, You're the funniest mother.

1190
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: I could have. Are you trying to figure out why

1191
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: you decided to use an X accident?

1192
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: I mean, the good news is we didn't have to

1193
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: go back to work that day.

1194
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: No, no, he says it. Oh God, we were we

1195
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: were done at the pool. Those are good times. Man.

1196
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: You remember when you saw Rudy in the hallway in

1197
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: the in the motel, in the hotel, Yes, you remember

1198
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: what I did? Yes, he just answered, And good enough,

1199
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: though I was, you know, I did want to say

1200
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: one thing. Remember when I teached you about doing the

1201
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: hand over the behind the gun and you said you

1202
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: weren't going to do it because you were mad because

1203
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: I kept teasing you about Steve. But then you actually

1204
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: did it. You did the hand thing behind the gun,

1205
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: and I loved you that day when you did that.

1206
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty cool. It's still in the movie.

1207
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1208
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1209
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: My my favorite one was We're in the town square.

1210
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 5: It was like a little village with a square and

1211
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 5: the first ding he comes up and says, could you

1212
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 5: go get Mike.

1213
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: We gotta have Mike. You know where he is? Oh, yeah,

1214
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: he's in that bar right over there.

1215
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 5: And I walked into this giant Adobie building, this big

1216
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 5: white cathedral.

1217
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, is a bar to the left.

1218
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 5: There's all these tables with the chairs put up, and

1219
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 5: there you were coming back from the bathroom, and I

1220
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 5: know you're in there, and you're coming back from the

1221
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 5: bathroom and a woman has taken your seat, and you

1222
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 5: say to the woman, you're not drunk, but you're you're

1223
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 5: a little happy, and no, I probably was drunk. Your

1224
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 5: seat and the woman took your seat and you told

1225
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 5: her to get up and give her back to your seat,

1226
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 5: and she wouldn't, and you let out one of my favorite.

1227
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 3: Yells I've ever heard, really loud. You yelled out, you

1228
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 3: need to be.

1229
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 5: Well.

1230
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: You know it probably made a lot of sense at

1231
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: the time, you know, But did she get up there?

1232
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 3: Alick, are you okay? And I go, yeah, what He goes,

1233
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: you're in a bar?

1234
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 6: I go, yeah, I know.

1235
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: He goes, you're in a bar, Alex, are you okay?

1236
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: I said, yes? Why are you asking? He said, because

1237
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 3: you don't drink.

1238
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 5: You're in a age you don't drink, and you're in

1239
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 5: a bar.

1240
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: Tweet your out, you're freaked out.

1241
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: You remember the day you left, Remember when you left

1242
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: when we were having a fighting.

1243
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 5: I remember every moment from thirty years ago, but I

1244
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 5: don't remember yesterday.

1245
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: I I I have that feeling. I'm the same way.

1246
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember saying that to that woman. But but

1247
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: did she get up?

1248
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: Did she get up Alec, did she give.

1249
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: Me my chair back? I must have ran into her.

1250
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 3: Later they told all the stories you used to get.

1251
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: You used to get very mad at me because Kim

1252
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: was always talking to me. And I remember one day

1253
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: I heard you because you didn't realize I was on

1254
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: the other side of the wall, and you were saying,

1255
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: stop talking to Madson, stop talking to Madson, and and

1256
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: Kim was all sweet, and she said, oh, you know,

1257
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: I like Michael. You know he's a really nice guy.

1258
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: And you're like, no, you don't understand. He's the bad

1259
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: guy in the movie. You know, you had to stop

1260
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: chatting him up, you know, stop talking to Madson.

1261
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 5: Take your hand has out of Madimsand no.

1262
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't. That didn't happen until later. Oh, Alex Man's

1263
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: a lot of times, Stephen.

1264
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 3: I gotta go because I gotta go to the show now.

1265
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: But let me just say one last thing real quickly.

1266
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: Please everybody.

1267
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: You always get the last word. I remember that about you.

1268
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 3: Everybody's memories aside.

1269
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 5: I want to say to you, Michael, I really mean

1270
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 5: that you're one of the greatest movie actors of all time.

1271
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: Hey right he is?

1272
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: Oh God, Alic, thank you much.

1273
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.

1274
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody else could have got away with you,

1275
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: and they get away except you.

1276
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 3: Nobody like you never will be. I don't care if

1277
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 3: you tried to.

1278
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: Bless you, Hey, God bless you be Bad movie. Hang

1279
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: in there, brother, Thank you bro, brother.

1280
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: But that's what I was saying earlier. The respect you

1281
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: have commanded as a result of your commitment to this

1282
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 2: craft is handlon.

1283
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 3: Bro.

1284
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm just telling you and thank you

1285
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: for coming on One Bad Movie. Appreciate it.

1286
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: Hey, it's my pleasure to be here, Stephen. And I'm

1287
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: here because I love you, because I watch you and

1288
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: you're acting.

1289
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 7: You know, at the same time. We went up in

1290
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 7: this business together and here we are. We're still together

1291
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 7: and we're making jokes, laughing. It's gotta be worth something, mate.

1292
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: Yep.

1293
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 8: Fifty years from now, nobody's gonna give it. But right now, hey,

1294
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 8: we're still here. Yeah, and then we got a long

1295
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 8: way to go. God bless you, brother, Yeah, brother, thank you,

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Speaker 8: Thank you. That about wraps it up here on One

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Speaker 8: Bad Movie. Thank you, Michael Manson. And be sure you

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Speaker 8: can catch the Christmas Crash at all of your digital

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Speaker 8: download opportunities and please forgive me.

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Speaker 2: And of course Free Willie stands on its own. You

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Speaker 2: can just just google Free Willie. The movie will pop

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Speaker 2: upright in front of you. Michael Madison, Thank you, Sir

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Speaker 1: Kilden