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Speaker 1: Hell, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is a show where we recap our early episodes

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Speaker 2: with case updates and hot take revisions and all the

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Speaker 2: unlocked memories that we can muster.

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Speaker 1: Today we're rewinding to episode ninety four, which we named

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Speaker 1: Go Get Your Thing.

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Speaker 2: This episode originally came out November ninth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's listen to the intro of episode ninety four.

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Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome to my favorite Murder the Apartment version. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: God forbid we ever do one of these.

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Speaker 1: God, it's been so long. It feels like, I know,

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Speaker 1: doing like a regular episode, you know what I feel.

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Speaker 2: Like we've discovered in touring this great nation of ours.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, it's difficult to tour this great nation of

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Speaker 2: ours and then come back and immediately start recording podcasts.

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Speaker 3: That's not an easy balance.

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Speaker 1: To strike, it isn't It's a huge difference. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm more used to live shows now than I am

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Speaker 1: to this sitting on my couch talking to each other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also, uh, we have to do a

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Speaker 2: bunch of work to do those live shows, and then

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Speaker 2: when we come back, we have to do a bunch

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Speaker 2: of work to do this version of the show. Yeah, complain, complain, complain.

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Speaker 1: I mean you just got to wonder, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: so true. You just have to wonder. It's such a

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Speaker 1: good point.

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Speaker 2: And wait and look and learn, look, learn, listen, and

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Speaker 2: again wonder at the end.

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Speaker 1: And then at the end of the day you're just

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Speaker 1: left wondering.

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Speaker 2: You're you bookend the day wondering and wondering.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but hopefully with like a childlike sense of wonder. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that's And definitely, while you watch the Wonder Yours,

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Speaker 2: I think that's important.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, you have to do that.

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Speaker 3: You have to have Kevin Arnold narrating your life.

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Speaker 1: Please.

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Speaker 2: Did I ever brag to you about the time that

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Speaker 2: Fred Savage directed a TV show was working on no

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Speaker 2: and he I was so starstruck by him. And because

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Speaker 2: he is Kevin Arnold, it's just like, that's who that

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Speaker 1: He will always be. And he looks it's like it's

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Speaker 1: a grown up Kevin Arnold. It's not an actor who's like,

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Speaker 3: Fucking It's not a version of Kevin Arnold. It's Kevin Arnold.

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Speaker 2: And he sounds exactly the same and he looks the same,

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Speaker 2: and he couldn't be a nicer, more talented, and more

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Speaker 2: else and you're standing there, he'll turn and include you

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Speaker 2: working with.

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Speaker 1: Pat Walsh, so he and Pat Walsh are.

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Speaker 2: Good friends, so I have and you're standing there, so

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Speaker 2: then he he just like turned and it was like

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Speaker 3: It was very upsetting, and I think I just made

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Speaker 2: And walked away because it was like I didn't realize

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't anyway.

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Speaker 1: I would have been too, I would be, I will be.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be positive when I meet him one day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I would, and I would and I will, and you.

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Speaker 3: Would and you will and I beg you.

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Speaker 2: He's used to it because it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: Totally crazy shit. This is the wonderment we're talking about exactly.

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Speaker 1: I finished mind Hunter today.

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Speaker 3: Finally, And what's your end opinion?

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Speaker 1: My end My end game is that I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to be a show about the guy who plays at Kemper.

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Speaker 1: I just want to watch Ed Kemper at Kemper character

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Speaker 1: live in love in prison. I just loved to be

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Speaker 1: an amazing shit. I just love that guy. The guy

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Speaker 3: What if he can sing acappella group ensemble?

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Speaker 1: Bullshit goes back to college. He's like, I'm going back

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Speaker 2: Yes, I want to kill all the women around this,

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Speaker 1: Maybe he starts an a cappella thing in prison. Yes,

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Speaker 1: in the pitch Perfect universe. And that's how he begins

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Speaker 2: And he finally proves wrong all of the theories that

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Speaker 2: you cannot cure a psychopath right, because you actually can

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Speaker 2: cure a psychopath with acappella singing poll it takes if

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Speaker 2: you can without any music with your friends sing boys

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Speaker 3: Well, oh my god, you're cured.

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Speaker 1: You're a human.

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Speaker 2: There's hope for all of us, all of us psychopaths.

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Speaker 2: So then three stars, five stars.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, oh you know me, I'm such

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Speaker 3: Four stars, three and a half stars.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how many out of how many?

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Speaker 1: Twelve? No, an infinite, so it could be three. Shit,

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Speaker 3: Four out of infinite is still very low.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to remind you of the wall that

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Speaker 2: agent was like walking around that apartment, they walk into

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Speaker 3: On the worlt that was like a z Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I stopped and took a picture of that screen with

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so good. It is so good. I

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Speaker 1: just don't want to say that. The new season of

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Speaker 1: Someone Knows Something came out this week, that's right, and

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Speaker 1: they fucking just threw them all up at once, which

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Speaker 1: about two black teenagers in nineteen sixty four who were

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Speaker 1: going back to investigate it. Holy shit, which is bananas

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Speaker 1: insane and so important and like, fucking kudos to people

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Speaker 1: to podcast like Someone Knows Something and the Fall Line

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Speaker 1: who are doing important important work. Yes, unfortunately, still fucking

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah maybe more so.

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Speaker 2: Well also those guys, I mean, I actually don't know

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Speaker 2: he's a that's kind of what he does, right, So

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Speaker 1: Oh that, I oh, I know, I no, I know

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Speaker 1: that I have nothing. I can't come near that ray

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Speaker 1: have you painted on your wall in a zeep? Can

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Speaker 1: we talk about that? Someone from when we were in

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Speaker 1: also an active serial killer. While we were there, someone

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Speaker 1: The game made into serial killers form and it is

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Speaker 1: fucking so cool. I want to cry. Yeah, it's on

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Speaker 2: I've never actually seen anything but the side of this

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Speaker 1: And never let it know. I didn't even ask I

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Speaker 2: At one point I was like, hey, we should play,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm like, it was just like your baby.

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Speaker 3: But I have to say I'm too old for that.

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Speaker 3: I never played that game.

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Speaker 1: But you've probably played it with like niece or nephew

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Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna play and you're gonna love it. I

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Speaker 1: It's all the characters that it's like, does your character

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Speaker 3: Like it's just this slip lip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always all the fish. The Papan sisters are

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Speaker 1: a murdery clown? No, put him down. It's just the best.

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Speaker 3: It's so good to and it clearly this girl put

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Speaker 3: That's great, and then we'll keep a running tally. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then at the end, whoever wins the most games

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Speaker 1: Thousand dollars at the end of what at the end

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Speaker 1: of this podcast run, it just got real sad our life,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they just kept talking about it.

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Speaker 2: I would like to say this we I believe it

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it I think Stephen immediately was number one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was somebody on the on the Facebook posted

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Speaker 1: It was a number one on the iTunes ring tone chart,

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Speaker 3: No, and also Billboard. Did I tell you Billboard Awards?

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Speaker 1: What you know? Let me know what else?

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Speaker 3: Would it be number one?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I was just gonna say.

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Speaker 2: And then immediately there was a copycat Yeah, like Marimba version.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So I text We're in Florida, and I text Steven.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, what is that?

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Speaker 1: Did you do that? Steven?

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Speaker 2: But of course you always forget that through a text.

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Speaker 1: Did you do that, Stephen? Did you do that?

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Speaker 2: And Steven was like, it is not me? And then

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Speaker 2: I was got really sad where I'm like, that was

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Speaker 2: not a funny joke. But because Stephen has written his

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Speaker 2: versions of our theme song. We don't need other strangers

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Speaker 2: who are doing or just basically do that to all.

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Speaker 1: It's probably a robot who's working for the fucking Russian government. Man, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get deep into conspiracy right now. And you're

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Speaker 1: fucking stealing podcast songs written by Karen in the twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes on her fucking acoustic guitar. This feeling it putin

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Speaker 3: Hey, what about what about some salsa aspect or whatever?

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Speaker 2: It's written by one Stephen Ray William Ray. Did you

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Speaker 3: The Boston Nova. That's You're exactly right.

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Speaker 2: If you are ashamed to have a kind of like

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Speaker 1: Do you have that too?

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Speaker 4: No, I think the bootleg was copying that because which

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Speaker 2: Fuck you putin somebody putin went after Steven's.

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Speaker 1: As one after Stephen, not us. Yeah, that's right, so good.

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Speaker 3: I think that makes us even angrier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you don't go after Steven, we can fight.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, if you want that, when are you going

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Speaker 2: Great this weekend, ye soon, So hold out if you

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Speaker 3: Thank you, So they're still available if.

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Speaker 1: I don't know Karen's offering options. Give them a brunch

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I recommend.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have one thing that I've been watching, but

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Speaker 1: Is that everything? I think? So any corrections corner, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great example of what it's been like

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Speaker 2: If your friend calls women females and talks about their value, Oh.

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Speaker 2: I remember seeing like something on the internet and it

444
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,919
Speaker 2: was like a guy carrying a woman because there had

445
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 2: been floods recently. And they're like, this is not toxic masculinity.

446
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: It's like, correct, it's not. That's not it's a gratulation thing.

447
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,439
Speaker 1: Sorry, we have to be oh my god, congratulations, Like

448
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 1: what the fuck?

449
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 2: Our point is not men doing things is toxic masculinity.

450
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 2: It's the bad things they do and then get coverage

451
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 2: for or never go to jail for, or lie about

452
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 2: or write.

453
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: Now we're just screaming, I know, well, let's go into

454
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 1: your story then, because it's about bad things, so we're

455
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 1: going to stay on that fucking topic. Anyways, good plan.

456
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: This one's crazy and like an infamous cold case, you

457
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 1: cover of all things when we come back, you'll tell

458
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: us if it's solved the hypocrisy. Yeah, all right, let's

459
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: get into Karen's story about the Bloody Benders.

460
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:28,959
Speaker 3: Now, who goes first?

461
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 1: I went first? I went first, right, okay, yeah, let's

462
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 1: see you then it is.

463
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: Here's the here's the exciting surprise. I'm not sure if

464
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 2: I've ever if I've done this before?

465
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: How I mean, okay, well it'll be. If you don't know,

466
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: then I won't know.

467
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times I have texted

468
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: Stephen and been like, sorry, is this Like it goes

469
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 2: from like is Georgia doing this one when we're on

470
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: the road, yea, to them like have we ever done

471
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 2: this one?

472
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: Well, I've done that before? How to look it up?

473
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: Because you just see the same name so many times

474
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: over and over and you have to like look for

475
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: details to remember which fucking piece of shit was the

476
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: murderer that you're like looking for.

477
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: Also, we talk about things sometimes about doing them, which

478
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: is what I think I'm remembering on this one.

479
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I could be wrong.

480
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Let's just let's just tell me. Let's do this.

481
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: It's the Bloody Benders.

482
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: Which ones are they? Why you tell me.

483
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Well then that's a very good sign.

484
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, it's not because I have a terrible memory. Fuck, okay, go,

485
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: that's the most disappointed sign.

486
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: I wish I could be doing better right now, but

487
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm almost positive I haven't.

488
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 3: I just know that there's a really good doll up

489
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 3: about it that I've heard.

490
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: Huh.

491
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,479
Speaker 2: I have also that thing where all of my memories

492
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: are starting to just bleed into each other, where it's like,

493
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: did I do the podcast myself?

494
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: Or did I hear a dollar? Like am I? I

495
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: don't that name sounds familiar, But I don't think we've

496
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: done it.

497
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: All right, I'll tell you about it.

498
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: Tell me about that.

499
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: Let me tell you a little bit.

500
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: How about And I actually, at one point today, because

501
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 2: I had part of it done, I called my sister

502
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: because she wasn't doing anything. I'm like, can you please

503
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: find me some articles that I can read in the

504
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: midst So this was a real this was a real

505
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: eleventh hour, super special one.

506
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: Uh.

507
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: But the main spot that I got, like, to me,

508
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: the best information it was from an article on a

509
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 2: website called Ranker, which I don't think.

510
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: We talked about that much it is every time there's

511
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: a Ranker link, that article will give me the biggest

512
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: best chunk of information. Yeah, that's my late at night

513
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: reading like fifteen e mts tell you the most gruesome

514
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: fucking thing that ever happened to them, or like it's

515
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: just those crazy lists.

516
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they had endless true crime shit and serial

517
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: killer shit. Yeah, endless, and there's So the woman that

518
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: wrote this article is named Kat mccaulliffe, and I'm positive

519
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: that I've read her stuff on either also on Ranker

520
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: or on other websites too. So she wrote a couple

521
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 2: of these articles about the Bloody Benders. So, so thank you,

522
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: Cat mccaulliff for all the work you do, enabling me

523
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 2: to do much much less work. Okay, So, in eighteen seventy,

524
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: a family of German immigrant homesteaders named the Benders made

525
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: their way by wagon to Labette County, Kansas and settled

526
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: on one hundred and sixty acre farm located directly.

527
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: Like on the Osage Trail on dred percent. You've never

528
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: done this really? One percent?

529
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank god, because this is one of my favorites

530
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: and I've wanted to do it for a long time

531
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: and I don't know why I haven't. I guess I

532
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: just just never I lost my lost track of it.

533
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: We lost track after college.

534
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 3: Okay, good, that makes me happy.

535
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: So first the men went out, so it was John

536
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: Senior and the son, John Junior. They went and they

537
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: built a barn, They built a cabin, They dug a well,

538
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: and then the mother, Elvira, who was also known as Kate,

539
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: and then this sister named Kate daughter named Kate.

540
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: Kate j.

541
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: Kate Junior, Kate Junior, Kate and Kate Junior, Elvira or

542
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: Kate yea very similar. They arrived in eighteen seventy one

543
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: and they bought livestock. They had like a farm. There

544
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: was an orchard that was on the property. And so

545
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 2: basically they the cabin that they built was pretty big,

546
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: so it became the Bender Inn. And so the front

547
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: of the cabin was a general store and like the inn,

548
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: and then it was divided by the canvas that they

549
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: put over their covered wagon. They took it off their

550
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: covered wagon and then they put it up to serve

551
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 2: as the divider between their private room and then the store.

552
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: And the rustick. You know, you see that on HGTV.

553
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: Now it's.

554
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: I'd love to pull down this canvas and just open

555
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: up this space so we could see right into the orchard.

556
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: See the lice canvas. Can we get that down the

557
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: smallpox canvas?

558
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 3: Could we cut some circular holes.

559
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: I think circular would be an amazing shape to see

560
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: in this canvas.

561
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and then.

562
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 3: Of course the lice.

563
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: Be lovely to see the lice.

564
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: I'd love to see the lice backlit so.

565
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: That I can see the patterns that they're making in

566
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: the canvas. Beautiful.

567
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So they all basically they're pitching and they're like,

568
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: we're going to have this place, and it's this stop over.

569
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: So at the time, of course, there were it's you know,

570
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: it's the late mid to late nineteenth century America, so

571
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: there's all these they're moving to American tribes and they're

572
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: telling people you can come settle here, and then you

573
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: can also on your way, you can go out to

574
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: the west.

575
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: Hey, we own this piece of land. Now.

576
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: Everyone, exactly, go get your thing.

577
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's all kinds of details that people care

578
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: about history.

579
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: No, I think go get your thing.

580
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: Go get your thing. Sums it up right much. Exactly,

581
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: go get your thing, said a man in charge, and

582
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: everyone went thank you so that they got their thing. Yeah,

583
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: they were like I thought in the Civil War, fuck

584
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: this shit, I'm out of here. I want to go

585
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: to California.

586
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: I want to get my own thing, surf, smoke weed, yep.

587
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: So the Osage Trail was one of the ways people

588
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: went out to west.

589
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: It went out.

590
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: West, and so the venders saw that that was an opportunity.

591
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: They could build this spot and have this I keep

592
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: calling it a stop over. There's a better word for it.

593
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but basically they could

594
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: get provisions there and spend the night or just get

595
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: their stuff and go, but it would be like this

596
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: central spot.

597
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: Also, the daughter Kate claimed to be a psychic.

598
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: And a spiritualist who could talk with the dead, so

599
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: the locals that became a word of mouthing where then

600
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: the locals were also coming there just to you know,

601
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: tell their grandfather they love them and stuff like that,

602
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: or asked.

603
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: Where they hit the key to the to the stay

604
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: to the horse.

605
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: Yes the horse won't start, please ask your father.

606
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: And I was like thinking, why would people travel to

607
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: go get like their palm red or whatever it's like,

608
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: because there's no TV these there's nothing.

609
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: Nothing to do but fuck and get your palm.

610
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: Read and then read that old Bible someone brought in

611
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: their wagon with them.

612
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also stare at the lice canvas.

613
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: So this this place kind of became a place to be.

614
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: I think of it as the Wendy's on the five.

615
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's by the split p Anderson's.

616
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: But also as attached to like command store gas station

617
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: and has a subway exactly.

618
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: So if you don't want to do fast food, right

619
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: some people in the car don't want to eat faster

620
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: right ever, but hey, everyone's got then.

621
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: Also, if you need gummy bears, it's there. They're all there. Yeah.

622
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: Well the vendor started that, Okay, let's attribute it to Okay,

623
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: it was their thing.

624
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: That was kind of their jam.

625
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so uh.

626
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I said they all worked there, right, Yeah, Okay,

627
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: I actually wrote the sentence this was the time of

628
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: great expansion.

629
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: What the fuck? What am I even talking about?

630
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true or not. I know

631
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: nothing about it.

632
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: It probably was. I mean, I think it was generally

633
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: our country, our great nation was growing. It's the Oregon Trail.

634
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: What was happened in the video game The Organ Trail

635
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: was happening at the time. People were playing The Organ

636
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: Trail in libraries across the nation. Dysentery everywhere. You know,

637
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: don't forget.

638
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: The Donner Party was in there somewhere right, Go.

639
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: In and get your jelly beans.

640
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: Go this is your time to the Yeah, South Marilla, Sasprilla.

641
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: The end. Goodbye. Uh deep dude. Oh.

642
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: So the thing about this, obviously, well here's what I

643
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: do now. For a fact, can tell me that a

644
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: lot of there was.

645
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: Obviously tons of immigrants in America as we do.

646
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: So a lot of these travelers had already come off

647
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: a boat, they'd already been traveling, and they were like,

648
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: we got to go get that big chunk of land,

649
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: the governments that we could have or however they were

650
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: going to do it. And they're basically like, get in

651
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: there and get through. So they didn't have you know,

652
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 2: maybe they had their immediate family, but that was it.

653
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: So if people were traveling lot, they weren't expected back anywhere.

654
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: No one was like, whoa, you didn't hit your mark.

655
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: You didn't you said you were coming on the twenty eighth,

656
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: and how would you even know? Call Westerndian exactly right.

657
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: You send a letter in seven months later somehow find someone.

658
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: So this helped the benders because the vendors were not

659
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: what they seemed to be. Were they bloody? They were

660
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: the bloody bloody Benders. Am I just be one bloody?

661
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: But well now it's two. I love to gos it.

662
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: So when people stopped along the way, they tended to

663
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: disappear when they stayed at the vendor in, and a

664
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: lot of people didn't notice because they were just these

665
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: people that were passing through.

666
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: But someone did.

667
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: Notice when a man named George Lanche, I'm going to

668
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: pronounce it French, but that it could be launcher, but

669
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to say George Lanche and his infant daughter

670
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: stopped at the bender In. They were on their way

671
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: to Ohio. They were from Kansas, and they never returned home.

672
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: And their neighbor, doctor Henry William Henry Yorke, was a

673
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: prominent doctor, and he immediately noticed when they didn't come back,

674
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: when George said he was coming back, and he set

675
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: out to go find them. But he did the brilliant

676
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: thing that you always do before you're about to go

677
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: do something, especially by yourself. You tell a bunch of

678
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: fucking people what you're doing and where you're going and

679
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: why you communicate. So doctor William Henry Yorke was a

680
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: prominent doctor. He had a brother who was a colonel,

681
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: Colonel ed Yorke, and his other brother, Alexander Yorke, was

682
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: a senator. So he informed the Superstar York Brothers. He

683
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, I'm going to try to go find

684
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: my neighbor. Something weird has happened that he didn't come back.

685
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: So then when doctor William Henry Yorke didn't come back,

686
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: the Superstar Brothers were like, something really where it's happening.

687
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: So the Colonel ed Yorke.

688
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: Got a a posse of fifty soldiers to come with

689
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: him and they just started searching every single homestead along

690
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: the Osage Trail because they were like, this.

691
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: Is fucked yeah.

692
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: And when they got to the bender In it was

693
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: March twenty eighth, eighteen seventy three, and the colonel explained

694
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: to the Benders that he was looking for his brother,

695
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: and the Benders told him, yes, his brother did stay there,

696
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: but then he left and there's probably a good chance

697
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: that he had to run in with some of the

698
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: Native Americans nearby. And they so the colonel left. They

699
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: continued searching on but as they asked more people around,

700
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: they started hearing these stories of fucked up shit that

701
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: was happening to people at the Benders. So there was

702
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: a woman that told them a story of getting chased

703
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: out of the bender in with knives, and then upon

704
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: hearing that, he was like, we're going back there. So

705
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: they go back and they have another conversation with them.

706
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: If you I highly recommend listening to The Dull Up

707
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: because Dave did so much fucking research. It's so hilarious,

708
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: and there's a whole standoff that happens when they go back,

709
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: when they go back to recheck, because the first pass

710
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: is like, Oh, it's just this nice family. Yeah, you

711
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: would never think twice about you know, the son, the daughter,

712
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: everyone's so sweet and kind. When they go back, it's

713
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: the vibe is a little bit different, and the colonel

714
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: knows he can't just arrest them. He has to have proof,

715
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: he has to have a warrant to search the house whatever.

716
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: So he's like, yeah, I'm going to be back. Well,

717
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 2: they go to get that warrant and when they come back,

718
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: the vendors are gone.

719
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: The whole cabin is empty.

720
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: And when they go into the house the cabin to

721
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: search it, they first noticed there's absolutely nothing inside. Then

722
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: the smell hits, and it is a smell that's so bad,

723
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: and they finally realize it's coming from this trap door.

724
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: Oh dear, and it's so bad.

725
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 2: They open the trap door and no one can stay

726
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: inside the cabin. They end up having to take the

727
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: cabin off its foundation so they can look in the

728
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: cellar because no one could do it. And when they

729
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: see into the cellar, the cellar floor is covered in

730
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: kongealed blood.

731
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: Ew I thought it's so hot out in the middle

732
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: of there too, right.

733
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: Probably wow, so gross. So then they know something bad

734
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: isn't happening, and they're like, everyone's freaking out. But there's

735
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: no bodies, there's no body parts or anything, just ca

736
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: jeal blood. It's just congealed blood. So they're like, holy shit. Yeah,

737
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: So the colonel goes up and now I'm gonna Now.

738
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 3: I'm going to just tell a little white lie because

739
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: this is how I pictured in my mind.

740
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: Okay, I do not.

741
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: I don't think there's very many hills in Kansas, so

742
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: it's probably not how I picture it, but he basically

743
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: went and got like a bird's eye view somehow of

744
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: the land. So either he went up on a little

745
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: hill is how I like to picture it, and like

746
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: look down on it, or he just kind of got

747
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: back a bit and he noticed drone.

748
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: He got a drone, he got sent a drowna.

749
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: He got a drone which was just a hawk, and

750
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: he noticed that there were depressions in the apple orchard soil.

751
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: Oh, dear right.

752
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: I thought of your pig people.

753
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: Dude, my pig people. A stone unturned. That's one of

754
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: the ways that they find and clandestine graves as those.

755
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: And they say there's only certain times of day when

756
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: you can tell where the shadow's going if there's a

757
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: depression in this in the soil. Crazy, like if you

758
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: look at it at sunset, you can see that the

759
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: shadows are fucked up and there's a depression.

760
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 2: Ads rightly, Yeah, yeah, no, I love it was. That's

761
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: all I thought of when I got to that part

762
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: where I'm like, I wonder if either he had so

763
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: much experience being a colonel that he had seen stuff

764
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: like that before, or if it just like hit him

765
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: of like that's not right right. Either way, they took

766
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: metal rods and they started poking the earth in the orchard.

767
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: It's stinky, and there was some obviously there was some.

768
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: Ground that was hard and solid, and they would come

769
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: upon really soft ground. So the first time they did that,

770
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: they started digging, and almost immediately they found the body

771
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: of doctor William Yarke. Oh he was barely he was

772
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: barely down in the ground.

773
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: Wow.

774
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: So they uncover him, and then they start uncovering other bodies. Shit,

775
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: and they end up finding eight buried bodies in the

776
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: orchard alone.

777
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: Wow.

778
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: But some of the graves are so deep that they

779
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: they they like that. They're like, they're realizing, Oh, there

780
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: could be tons of people buried out here and we

781
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: just wouldn't know it, because they could have buried ten

782
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: people in one grave this deep. They also found a

783
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: father and daughter in a single grave, and there was

784
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: no injuries on the girl except for she had a

785
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: broken arm, but other than that nothing, And they think

786
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: they buried her alive and put the dead body of her.

787
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: Father arms No, no, no, yeah, just to just to

788
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: really no, just to really bum you out.

789
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: So let's see, so based on the injuries of the

790
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: dead bodies that they dug up, they put together the

791
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: story of what they figured the benders were doing. So

792
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: they would have somebody that would be check into the inn,

793
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: and then that night it would they would come to

794
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: dinner at the dinner table, and they would always see

795
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: that person at the head of the table with their

796
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: back the guests back to the canvas divider.

797
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the canvas that looks so pretty.

798
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: The gorgeous, nice canvas.

799
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: So at some point, and I like to picture that,

800
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: they get them nice and drunk, so they're having a

801
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: real good time.

802
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: What do they have meat, What do they drink? Back then?

803
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: Back then, I would say it's some kind of a beer, right, yeah,

804
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: blood cellar beer.

805
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.

806
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: So at some point in the dinner, either John Senior

807
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: or John Junior, not Elvira, not Vira or Kate Junior

808
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: goes behind the canvas and hits them in the head

809
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: with a hammer, knocks them out, and then Kate.

810
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: Slits their throat. A little girl, the girl, Kay Junior,

811
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: why does she do it?

812
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: She that was her jam No, I'm not sure why

813
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: they think she did it. Maybe and maybe it was

814
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: something about the mother that she couldn't do it or whatever,

815
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: like she was the strong one. But then they had

816
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: this trap door, so they would just drop the dead

817
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: body down the trap door into the cellar, and so

818
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: that that was all gone in a way, and so

819
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: that basically they could do that and get away with it,

820
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: and there could be people in the general store, there

821
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: could be people in the inn, and they could like

822
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: just get rid of these people and then they would

823
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 2: rob them and they would get you know, a lot

824
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: of these people had stuck all their stuff and their

825
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: covered wagon and had everything that they owned and had

826
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: tons of money on them and tons of valuables on them,

827
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: and the vendors just took it all. But they also

828
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: noted that there were some people that they only got

829
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: a dollar off of or ten dollars. So they said

830
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: this was actually like a serial killing family because sometimes

831
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: they just did it to do it, wow, yeah, because

832
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be it wouldn't even make sense to kill

833
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: a person who just had four bucks in their pocket.

834
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: It was like it would actually draw attention and not

835
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: be the best idea, but they did it anyway. So

836
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: Bucker's right at the time, Senator York, the other fancy brother,

837
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: offered a one thousand dollars reward for the Bender's arrest,

838
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: which is the equivalent today of.

839
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: Twenty thousand dollars. Holy shit.

840
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: And then the governor of Kansas put up a two

841
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: thousand dollars reward, so forty grands.

842
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

843
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: But despite all the reward money, the Venders were never caught.

844
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: They were never seen again. What they have They went?

845
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: They disappeared. No, yes, now there's all kinds of people

846
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: who said they saw them, places that gave weird information.

847
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: There were people who confess to being the Venders. It was,

848
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: you know, it was like a huge story. But they

849
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: themselves were never found.

850
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: Jesus.

851
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: There was a story that there was a boat in

852
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: Mexico that was out at sea in the Gulf of

853
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: Mexico and a balloon, a hot air balloon, crashed onto

854
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: the deck of the boat. The fuck and the Benders

855
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 2: were inside and Elvira, John Senior, and Kate all died

856
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: in the crash. John Junior survived and did a deathbed

857
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: confession of where the benders we killed? All these people

858
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 2: My father made or whoever he was that John Senior

859
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: was a hotter balloon maker in Germany and he's been

860
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: making this hot air balloon for our escape, and that's like,

861
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: that's how I got.

862
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no no.

863
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: He asked me about about what.

864
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: Now that balloon perfectly landed, crash landed onto the bow

865
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: of a boat, onto three murderers, members.

866
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Of a family. It's like, I think, I think that's

867
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: how Wizard of Oz started.

868
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: It is it's they shut up, they took Well, that's

869
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: from the Wizard of O. I mean, there is that part.

870
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: Remember there were men in my town. No oh no,

871
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: he's remember he's gonna leave. It's the yeah, oh shit, yeah.

872
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: He's gonna leave. And then she's like, I'm not going with.

873
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: You, and like and then tap your shoes together and tap.

874
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: Your shoes and then kill kill travelers.

875
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Wow, then kill travelers.

876
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's that's just like a story scene he had,

877
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: which is kind of genius. But ultimately they're what they

878
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: ended up finding out after all of it. There were

879
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: no official papers that proved that they were actually a family.

880
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: So what it is believed is that Elvira a Kaa,

881
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: Kate Sr. And Kate Junior were mother and daughter. John

882
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: Senior was not related to anybody by blood, John Junior

883
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: not related to anybody by blood, and they think actually

884
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: Kate Junior and John Junior were husband and wife common law, oh,

885
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: and that they were all they were basically a gang

886
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: of thugs that got together, that got together and were like,

887
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: if we pretend we're a family.

888
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: People will trust us totally.

889
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: We can't just be four randos that are sitting in

890
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 2: a cabin going like, come and buy oats from us. Yeah,

891
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: but if we're like, come to the Bender family inn, yeah,

892
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: people would be like, oh thank god, Yeah, biscuits and

893
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: a good conversation with the Benders, right, And so they

894
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: that it was like a scam from the.

895
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: Setup or do you think they went. You know what's

896
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: so cool is that someone listening I bet right now

897
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: is related to the vendors.

898
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 3: Yes, and knows way more good.

899
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: Stuff or doesn't know anything. Oh, it's just like so

900
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: are we realizing? Yeah? Or like someone and they'll never know.

901
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: It's like someone's great great great not that great great

902
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: great aunt is Elvira? Yes?

903
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: Or great grandparents are John and Kate who just were

904
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 2: like plus eight They went and had eight.

905
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: Kids all at once.

906
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see I think that.

907
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: Oh.

908
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: The other rumor was that Elvira.

909
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: Elvira had as many as five husbands before the vendor

910
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: in you know event, and all of them died by

911
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: blunt force trauma to the head. But that is hot

912
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: goss and I think also unproven. But that was just

913
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: basically like they you know, people.

914
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: Try you love a black widow, I love a black

915
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: love a vintage black widow.

916
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: There's something so.

917
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: It's almost like women were so oppressed and some women

918
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: busted out in a way that like they just went

919
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: batshit crazy where it's like, oh, you're gonna oppress me.

920
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: Watch how I kill everybody and and get away with

921
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: it in that way of like.

922
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: She's so sweet. No one expected. No, we're suspected. Suspect,

923
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: suspector expect it's a true crime podcast and I don't

924
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: know the word. This is suspect.

925
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: All in all, the Bloody Benders were believed to have

926
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: killed at least a dozen people, possibly over twenty.

927
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

928
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is it?

929
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: What if? Okay, what what if? Hh Holmes? I feel like,

930
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: ahh Holmes must be involved in this. Somewhere he was

931
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: friends with them, he knew them. Yes, it's a similar thing.

932
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: They have it. They have an end, they have a

933
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: place where people come and stay. Yes, but if I

934
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: don't know if the timeline matches up.

935
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: I think it does this because this is about ten

936
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: years before h. H.

937
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: Holmes. AHH.

938
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: Helmes is John Junior.

939
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: Yes he is.

940
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: He a taste for it.

941
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: We solved it. He was like he was watching Kate

942
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: slit the throats. He was you know, he was hitting

943
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: the back of the head. But on the other side

944
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: of the canvas, He's like, I got to get more

945
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: of a first person.

946
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is fun, but I'd like to do something

947
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: a little crazier and.

948
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 3: A little nicer.

949
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: Cabins are this is trash? Yeah, we's do tell Oh.

950
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: Also, they call they people took the cabin apart by hand,

951
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: and I think they they think kept kept it for

952
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: uh you know, do.

953
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: We know where it is? Can we visit it? Can

954
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: we spend the night time?

955
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: Yes, it's now called Hell's Acre.

956
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: And they can camp on the ground.

957
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: I don't think so because they say it's haunted.

958
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: That you could still do it though. Well, but even

959
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: if they say.

960
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: It's totally cleared, they think there's bodies out there that

961
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: they know what we're about, and.

962
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 1: They like ghost shows have gone there. Well, we're going

963
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: for a live show right to have it to put

964
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: on a live show in the center of Hell's Acre.

965
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: H well great, almost see you after. Yeah, okay, that's them, dude,

966
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 3: that's great.

967
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: I know I'd never you didn't know that, fucking god, No, wouldn't.

968
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: I That's why I was like, oh, I wish I

969
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: knew this for a fact, But like these days, when

970
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm eighty percent sure or something, it dropped immediately drops

971
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: to thirty percent.

972
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, I just kind of don't know anything anymore.

973
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: So you know that we have someone made us a

974
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: Wikipedia and I think it lists each episode. Is that true?

975
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: State it's shaking his head. Yes, he knows. It's they

976
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: list every episode and what each what so you can

977
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: control f and put in bender Did it come up? No,

978
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: then you've never done the goddamn Well, well yeah, I know.

979
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: I had to do it because I was like, have

980
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: I done this murder once?

981
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: It's nice that we're getting to that point.

982
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: I mean, like, it's exciting that this has gone on

983
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: long enough, we're in this area.

984
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean until we play our last game of

985
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: Guess who. This is gonna go on for a long

986
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: fucking time and we're not gonna remember this shit forby

987
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: little old ladies being like, did I ever do Theodore Bundy?

988
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: Now, Steven, I am interested in Theodore Bundy.

989
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: What a great thank you, thank you, that was great. Okay,

990
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: we are back, Karen. Any updates. There are updates.

991
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: So the Bender's land was sold in twenty twenty at

992
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: auction to a new owner.

993
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: His name is Bob Miller.

994
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: He's long been fascinated with the family, and he connected

995
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: with Kansas University's anthropology department in twenty twenty two, hoping

996
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 2: to organize an archaeological investigation of his land. Cool right,

997
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: such a good idea and to me, that's that kind

998
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: of thing of like, oh, you've been interested in his

999
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: story and now you're actually doing something to forward the

1000
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: information and answers, which is amazing.

1001
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: Like the right person bought the land. It could have

1002
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: been sold a shindy ass developers, and this guy's like

1003
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: fuck no.

1004
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: Uh huh, yeah, he's not going to put a strip

1005
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: mall on it. In twenty twenty three, KU anthropology faculty

1006
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: and students started working on that site. As of twenty

1007
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: twenty four, they've reportedly unearthed twelve hundred artifacts, including wagon parts,

1008
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: broken furniture, broken window glass and many other items, and

1009
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: according to reports, Bob Miller dreams of some opening a

1010
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: museum about the Benders on the land. How brilliant is

1011
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: that he actually said, quote, the artifacts themselves are interesting,

1012
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: but they are only twenty percent of what we're interested in.

1013
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: Where they're found, the context in which they're found is

1014
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 2: more important to us. That can tell us a lot.

1015
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: When you're able to stay this is next to that

1016
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: versus this is over here, you get a better understanding

1017
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: of the people and their behaviors. If you want to

1018
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: read a book about the Bloody Benders after you listen

1019
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: to this episode in full, novelist Camilla Bruce wrote All

1020
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: the Blood We Share, a novel of the Bloody Benders

1021
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: of Kansas, which is a historical fiction version of the story,

1022
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: and then author Lee Ralph published the book Hell Comes

1023
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: to Play in twenty twenty three. That's nonfiction about also

1024
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 2: about the Benders. So you have your choice.

1025
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: I want to read both of them. I know, mean

1026
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: too Oh my god. Okay, so this one, this story

1027
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: has stuck with me for the rest of my life.

1028
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: I will say, like, there's a movie about it, I

1029
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: think I go into it this when I hear the

1030
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: word Perth, Australia. I just think of this story. It's

1031
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: so fucking disturbing. It's so bad, so let's get into it.

1032
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 3: This is Georgia's story about David.

1033
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: And Catherine Berney and the Moorhouse murders.

1034
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: Mine is a murderous family too, is it kind of

1035
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: it's a couple, yeah, all right. Like a month or

1036
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: two ago, someone on one of the platforms said, you

1037
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: guys should watch this movie called Hounds of Love, okay,

1038
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: and I'd never heard of it. It's an Australian movie,

1039
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: like a thriller, and I was like, I was alone

1040
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: WHENCE was out. I was like, I'm just gonna fucking

1041
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: watch it. Put put it on. You can get it on Amazon.

1042
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: And then my mind was fucking blown. She is the

1043
00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: most It's okay, let's let's do this loosely. They say loosely,

1044
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: but it is very, very not loosely based on this crime, okay,

1045
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: on this murderous couple from Australia. And I wanted to

1046
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: do this couple when we were in Australia, but I

1047
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 1: ended up not doing them. So when I watched this movie,

1048
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: I kind of knew some of the details okay, and

1049
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: the movie is incredible because the acting is so fucking good.

1050
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: But I swear to God, if you're if you are

1051
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: faint of heart, you're not gonna like this movie. Vince

1052
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: would have fucking if you're not in a true crime hardcore,

1053
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: you're not gonna like this movie because it's so upsetting.

1054
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: It's upsetting and so realistic. And but it was It's

1055
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: like one of my favorite movies I've watched because it's

1056
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: so good. Okay, Like Vince would have been like, this

1057
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: is troubling. I can't watch this, and I'd be like, yeah,

1058
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: me too, it's very troubling. But really I would have

1059
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: been like, I can't like to watch it's so good, okay.

1060
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 3: So it is very trouble.

1061
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I'm really disturbed by this.

1062
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: This is wrong.

1063
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: This is wrong. And then he goes to bed and

1064
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: I like, put it on. So that movie is called

1065
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 1: Hounds of Love. Watch it after I tell you about

1066
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: it about what it is based on, even though the

1067
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: director said it's not for the writer said it's not

1068
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: the moor House Murders. Okay. Everyone in Perth, Australia is

1069
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: like fuck yes right now, nice Okay, Perth Perth. Sorry

1070
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: we didn't come there Perth. Again, our apologies. Probably we'll

1071
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: be there one day, someday, someday. Okay, let's start on

1072
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: November tenth, nineteen eighty six. So this takes place in

1073
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: the eighties eighty six. A fucking crazy, hysterical, barely dressed

1074
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: seventeen year old girl in this suburb of Perth runs

1075
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: into a vacuum cleaner shop and begs the shop owner

1076
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: to call the police that she had just been raped

1077
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: and she had been kidnapped and had just escaped. Whoa.

1078
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: When police got there, she said she'd been abducted at

1079
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: nine point by a couple who had taken her back

1080
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: to their house and raped her and held her captive.

1081
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: The police are fucking like bullshit, skeptical at her. They

1082
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: pass her off to one of their most inexperienced police members.

1083
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: So it's Constable Laura Hancock's first day on the job. No, no,

1084
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: she's twenty two years old. This is her first statement

1085
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: she's ever taken. Holy shit, they take this seventh history,

1086
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: not historical, like this seventeen year old girl or her

1087
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: girl to her who has a story, and they say

1088
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: to her, hey, this you need to take notes on

1089
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: this to write her up for lying, for making up

1090
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: a story, like they don't believe it at all, And

1091
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: they're like, here you go, Constable fucking Laura Hancock, do

1092
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: some paperwork, do some paperwork, get this check off out

1093
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: of here. So miss Laura Hancock of course, or Constable

1094
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: Laura Hancock of course is a female and has empathy.

1095
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: So she's like, hang on a minute, there's a lot

1096
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: of details about this, and she is too, and she's

1097
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: telling it to emotion not emotionally, but like emphatically, that

1098
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: this isn't fake. Yes. She describes getting a lift from

1099
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: a couple while walking home the night before they put

1100
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: the knife to her and they chain her in their

1101
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: home on Moorhouse Street, and that she had escaped in

1102
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: the morning by breaking through a window and running. And

1103
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: this ends the four week killing spree at the hands

1104
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 1: of a couple that left four other women dead.

1105
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1106
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so go let's talk about the fucking motherfucking shitty

1107
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: ass couple. These assholes. David Bernie, it's the Bernie's David

1108
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: Bernie is born February sixteenth, nineteen fifty one. He's the

1109
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: eldest of five children. Super dysfunctional family. The parent his

1110
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: parents go to ask the priest for permission to get married,

1111
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: and the priest is like, I don't think that this

1112
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 1: can lead to anything good. His parents say that about

1113
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: his parents getting married. Oh my god. Grows up in

1114
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: a suburb of Perth. There's rumors that the family. The

1115
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: mom's super promiscuous, there's alcoholism, there's incests going on. The

1116
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: house is filthy, the kids have no supervision. The mother

1117
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: has a mental age of fourteen. Oh no, really fucked

1118
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: up family life. Don't feel bad for him. He's a hardyer,

1119
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: that's right. Katherine Harrison. She's also born in nineteen fifty one.

1120
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: She's two years old when her mother, Doreen, dies giving

1121
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: birth to her brother. Brother also dies. The baby father

1122
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: can't cope, so he sends her to live with her

1123
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: maternal grandparents. At ten, she gets sent back to her father.

1124
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: It's just a really her whole childhood is fucked up.

1125
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, just basically adults letting her know that she's kind

1126
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: of not welcome anymore.

1127
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: Not welcome, not wanted. Her mom is dead, so both

1128
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: of these people, You know, normally I would be much

1129
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: more sympathetic to these four children being raised in this

1130
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: awful way. Of course I would, but I've been studying

1131
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: what they've done for you know, a while now, and

1132
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: you just can't. Yep, you can't, you can't, Okay. By fourteen,

1133
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: David and Catherine are in a relationship. They lived in

1134
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: the same town. They started doing petty crimes together, and

1135
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: Catherine eventually gets caught and sent to prison and she

1136
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: breaks free from David, who was by all accounts really controlling,

1137
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: and so they had had this tumultuous relationship. By her

1138
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: twenty first birthday, she's married to the son of the family.

1139
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: She's a housekeeper for I bet they loved that, I know, right, family,

1140
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think they were well to do family.

1141
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: And that's like the plot of one thousand Downton Abbies. Yeah,

1142
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: like what, you're marrying the maid exactly.

1143
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: By the time David's an adolescent, he'd been convicted of

1144
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: several crimes. He had attempted a rape on an elderly

1145
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: woman and spent time in and out of prison. In

1146
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: his early twenties, he marries his wife and they have

1147
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: a daughter. Catherine has seven children with the housekeeper. Dude guy,

1148
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: they have seven kids. Sorry to say that that's old

1149
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: school Irish Catholic, right, that's a lot of kids. The

1150
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: first her first son, though, as a baby, is struck

1151
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: and killed by a car in front of her No. Yeah,

1152
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: in their like driveway. No, So if she's already fucked

1153
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: and crazy, she's got to be out of her mind

1154
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: by that point. I mean, hell, yes. So in nineteen

1155
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: eighty five she Catherine abandons her husband and six children

1156
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: and goes to live with David. They get back together.

1157
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: Wow this point, I mean, I have to say, when

1158
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: you were talking about being fourteen and doing crimes together,

1159
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: I got a little like, oh, like there is something

1160
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: to that that I can see would be really bonding

1161
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: and very exciting.

1162
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 1: Well, what's really crazy about this? And there's so many

1163
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: aspects of it that don't make sense when you look

1164
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: at serial killers, and one of them is like if

1165
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: these two people hadn't been together with these things have happened. Yes,

1166
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: and I think and so they kind of it's like

1167
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: they were made for each other because they were both

1168
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: fucking awful.

1169
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yes, and yeah, yeah, it's like when

1170
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: you meet someone and you both hate the same people, Yeah,

1171
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: only like times one thousand, and then.

1172
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: You could kill those people.

1173
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: Yes, and then then you make a list, you write

1174
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: it down, you both agree.

1175
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, okay, pop up, up, up up. So

1176
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: Catherine and David they're in their adults now, they get

1177
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: back together, they move in together. They're like, we're where

1178
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: it's you and me, we're Bonnie and Clyde all that bullshit.

1179
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea where they re met? Like

1180
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: it was just did they pass in the grocery store?

1181
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? You gotta wonder. I want to know. Really, I

1182
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: know that I couldn't find that anywhere.

1183
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 3: Was there some kind of a dating video dating service?

1184
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: He was his first wife. He was cheating on her constantly,

1185
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: and he even put an ad in the paper saying

1186
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: board husband looking for sex because he was a crazy

1187
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: sex addict. I kind of perverted and you know, was

1188
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: just needing to bone all the fucking time. Yeah. The

1189
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: marriage broke up when he had their sixteen year old

1190
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: babysitter move into the house to sleep with him. Dude,

1191
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: and his wife was like, get the fuck up his.

1192
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 2: Why It's like, you know what, Yeah, this plus all

1193
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: that laundry I have to do, I'm down.

1194
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: Good Bye.

1195
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: The romance is gone? Right?

1196
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: Shit, So these are some fucked up characters to begin with.

1197
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: So Catherine moves in with David. She changes her last

1198
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: name to Bernie, even though that's They didn't get married.

1199
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: They moved into a house in Willogy in Perth, Southwest,

1200
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: on a street called Morehouse. So that's why it's the

1201
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: More House murders for more than a year after getting together,

1202
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: David and Catherine. Okay, David looks like you know the

1203
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: Juliet Julie Louis Rife is his husband in Beep, The tall,

1204
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: skinny guy with a long nose. I do what's his name?

1205
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 3: The actor Dave pasquaysy?

1206
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: How what? How do you?

1207
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: As I know him in real life?

1208
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: Do you? Yes?

1209
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 3: I was in a pilot with him long long ago.

1210
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: You know every famous person. That's crazy.

1211
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: If you hang around this dumb town long enough, you

1212
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: meet everyone.

1213
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: He looks exactly like him. Perfect. It is so uncanny.

1214
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: I want to show you a photo, right, yes, I

1215
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: have to see it, Okay, and then so that's what

1216
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: he looks like, and she, Catherine looks like if Juliette

1217
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: lou Juliet Lewis was normal. Oh God, for a.

1218
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 3: Second, I was gonna be like, is this some kind

1219
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 3: of a VAP review.

1220
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: Juliet Lewis. Okay, Juliet Lewis, the actress and musician, if

1221
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: she were a basic bitch, like normal looking like eighties

1222
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, beige wearing person like bad shirts, yeah, okay,

1223
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: that's what she would look like. Exciting, and the actors

1224
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: in the movie Hounds of Love look exactly like them.

1225
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: Here's Karen Stephen's showing Karen a photo right now? Am

1226
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: I right? Yes? But I have to sit Oh my god,

1227
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: that's so funny. Which part?

1228
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, the Juliet Lewis woman is looks

1229
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: like she's a pretty hot leaded, hardscrabble life like yeah,

1230
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: like moisture eyes. No, but did you ever see District nine? Yeah,

1231
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: the actor or Chappie or any of those South.

1232
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: So is that his name? Oh my gosh, yes.

1233
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna go to a trivia night. I think that

1234
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: guy looks like him.

1235
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: I can see that for sure. It's that it's just

1236
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: just like long, prominent nose, just like jaw line, really thin,

1237
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: wiry like m he was a mechanic, so he looks

1238
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: has a mechanic sinewy body.

1239
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 3: Yep, I got it, I get it.

1240
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god.

1241
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: But also this guy's David Bernie's eye is dead frightening.

1242
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, hers too, if you see, like they both are clear,

1243
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: clear sociopaths. And you'll find out more so when I

1244
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: tell you what they did. Okay, all right? That it was fun,

1245
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: all right, Sollywood Corner, Hollywood Corner. So they get back

1246
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: together and they start fucking feeding their crazy sexual fantasies

1247
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: that they have about rape and murder that the two

1248
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: of them both have, and they start reading books about

1249
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: how to commit the perfect murder. What they could do.

1250
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: They even call up they call around town to find

1251
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: out where they could leave a car of one of

1252
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: their if they find a victim and have to abandon

1253
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: a car, where can they leave it the longest without

1254
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: being detected? And it turns out it's actually at the

1255
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: fucking police station. What which they end up doing with

1256
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: this their first victim? What? Okay? On October sixth, nineteen

1257
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: eighty six, twenty two year old Mary Nielsen, she's studying

1258
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: psychology a university. She goes to the Bernie's house because

1259
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: she had needed to buy tires. Went to the mechanic

1260
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: place where David Bernie worked, and he was like oh

1261
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, actually I have some tires I can sell

1262
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: you for on the cheap. They're just at my house.

1263
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: She just need to come there, and she was like great, Yes,

1264
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: a student, she's trying to save money.

1265
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: No, no, never, Yes, tires belong in a tire shop.

1266
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, in a stack. Yeah, in front of the

1267
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: tire shop. You sit in the air conditioned fucking office

1268
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: and it reads like rubber and you read of an

1269
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: old highlights magazine while you wait.

1270
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 2: Just wait and wait, and they get everything gets done

1271
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 2: on the premises.

1272
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the end, the end. So she goes to the

1273
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: house to get the tires. He immediately gags her, chains

1274
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: her to the bed, and rapes her while Catherine watches

1275
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: and takes notes.

1276
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: What.

1277
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Catherine is in on this completely. Yeah. She's

1278
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: taken to Glenn Eagles National Park, which was their dumping ground,

1279
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: and as she begs for her life, she's raped and

1280
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: strangled with a nylon cord and he when she's dead,

1281
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: he stabs her, knowing it would speed up decomposition because

1282
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: they had read about it in the murder book. Fuck.

1283
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: So they're just animals, they're monsters. Yeah, and they were

1284
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: planning on planning.

1285
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 3: This they're organized monster. They're organized monsters.

1286
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: This this first Mary Nielsen, their first victim, kind of

1287
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: just happened by circumstance. But as we'll see, that's not

1288
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: what happened next. So it was just an active opportunity

1289
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: and they just wanted to get away with the perfect murder.

1290
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: So so their their actual plan, though, is that the

1291
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: sunsets and they go hunting for victims. In the car,

1292
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: they scope out the streets. Any woman who was alone

1293
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: they would offer a ride. And it's a fucking nice

1294
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: looking young couple who's like, Hi, do you need a ride?

1295
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's that that thing, and they do it

1296
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: so perfectly and the movie Hounds of Love that you

1297
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: it's the movie is so realistic. It's creepy.

1298
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sorry, what year is that movie from?

1299
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: Is it recent? It's in the past year or two?

1300
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, I think, but it looks like the eighties.

1301
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: It's like, it's such a good movie. Okay, but but

1302
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: all right, so they would they would. Two weeks later,

1303
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: they were cruising looking for their next victim. They spot

1304
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: fifteen year old high school students Susanna Candy as she's

1305
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: hitchhiking along Sterling Highway and Claremont, So within seconds of

1306
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: getting into the car with this nice couple, and in

1307
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: the movie they even had a baby seat in the backseat,

1308
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: which is like, I don't know if that's really what happened.

1309
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: But she there's a knife to her throat and her

1310
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: hands are bound. She's taken back to the house. She's gagged,

1311
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: chained to the bed and raped. They force then they

1312
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: force Susannah to send letters to her family assuring them

1313
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: that she's all right, but of course the family doesn't

1314
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: believe it and fears for her life. Yeah, after they

1315
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: finish raping Susannah, Catherine Bernie gets into bed with them

1316
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: and they rape her together. He tries to strangle her

1317
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: with a nylon cord, but she becomes his ysterical. This

1318
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: is really fucked up by the way I sho started with.

1319
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean, but I think it's that

1320
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: it is that thing of a complicit wife to a

1321
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 2: serial killer, to a serial rapist is so.

1322
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 3: Beyond the pale. It's just so odd and so hard.

1323
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: To comprehend in any way, And the only way I

1324
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 1: was able to even wrap my mind around what how

1325
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: and what was this movie? Right? So I think I

1326
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: didn't think I was planning on doing this the murder,

1327
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: even though I had read about it, until I saw

1328
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: this movie and it it was Yeah, it just made

1329
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: sense in a way that was so troubling.

1330
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it also is the thing of like so

1331
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 2: many times I've wanted to do the girl in the

1332
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: Box the stripe, a woman who's and she was also

1333
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: kidnapped by a husband wife who's uh the wife was

1334
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: you know, obviously abused, and like, yeah, it was not.

1335
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: The same grauation, but everything. Well, that's what's so interesting

1336
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: about this one is I don't think that that's the

1337
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: case at all, And of course they try to make

1338
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: it seem that way later, but that's not These two

1339
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: people were equally complicit.

1340
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's not who she was, really, right, But

1341
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: it's just the idea of you these assumptions that we've

1342
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: all made culturally. A man by himself is dangerous, a

1343
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 2: man and a woman are fine, A baby seat, clears

1344
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 2: the decks, like all those things that they're just like no, no.

1345
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, okay, totally. So they force sleeping pills.

1346
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: They forced her to take sleeping pills, and when she's asleep,

1347
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: David puts a quarter around her neck and tells Catherine

1348
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,919
Speaker 1: to prove her undying love for him by strangling her.

1349
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah that's how you do it. Yeah, yeah, which she

1350
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: does well, I know. They bury her near the grave

1351
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: of Mary Neilson in the forest as well. On November first,

1352
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: thirty one year old Noline Patterson had run out of

1353
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: gas on her way home from her job as a

1354
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: bar manager at a golf club. She's standing by the

1355
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: side of the road when they drive up. The Berni's

1356
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: drive up, she gets inside the car and so here's

1357
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: a creepy fucking thing. They had a code for when

1358
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: a girl got in the car, if they thought she

1359
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: was a good victim. Catherine was the one who decided

1360
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: if she was a good victim or not, if she

1361
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: was okay with you know, because it was if she

1362
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: was okay bringing this one home. Yeah. It was almost

1363
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: like you can cheat on me if I choose the person.

1364
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: It's almost like she thought of it as cheating on her,

1365
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: I know. So she would say to David, I've got

1366
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: the munchies, and David would say, yeah, I've got the

1367
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: munchies too. That was their code word good. And so

1368
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: they held a knife to her throat and tied her

1369
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: up and told her not to move. She's taken back

1370
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:46,799
Speaker 1: to Morehouse Street, David repeatedly rapes her. They had originally

1371
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: decided to murder her that same night, which was kind

1372
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: of what they did, but David kept her prisoner in

1373
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: the house for three days because there were signs that

1374
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: he had developed an emotional attachment to her, because she

1375
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: was this really fucking smart, you know, thirty one year

1376
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: old woman who was going to play them against each

1377
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: other and make David fall for her. Yeah, that's how

1378
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,520
Speaker 1: she was going to escape. That's her plan. But unfortunately,

1379
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: Catherine got super fucking jealous, held a knife to her throat,

1380
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: and gave an ultimatum that David has to kill her

1381
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: or she's going to kill herself.

1382
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 3: Catherin's going to kill herself.

1383
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: Catherine's going to kill herself if David didn't kill Noeline.

1384
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 3: WHOA, But that was an unpleasant scene to watch in

1385
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 3: that movie.

1386
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: It's insane. It's fucking insane. Oy, Okay, So he forces

1387
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 1: her to nilling to take an overdose of sleeping pills

1388
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: and strangles her while she's asleep. They take her body

1389
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: of the forest and bear it, but they bury it

1390
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: away from the other victims because he had some emotional

1391
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: attachment to her.

1392
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 3: Cat's fucking weird, I know, all right.

1393
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: Then on November fifth, they abduct twenty one year old

1394
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:57,480
Speaker 1: Denise Brown as she's waiting for a bus on Sterling Highway.

1395
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: She accepts a ride and at knife point she's taken

1396
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: to the house, chain of the bed again and raped.

1397
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: They take her into the forest, David assaults her again

1398
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: and they stab her in the neck. They go to

1399
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: bury her in a shallow grave, but she's not dead,

1400
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 1: and Denise sits up in the grave.

1401
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 3: What the fuck?

1402
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, hold, I know, I'm doing my nervous laughing.

1403
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing my nervous reading because like suddenly I'm realizing

1404
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: how I mean, I'm not realizing, but you know, you're

1405
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: in this thing and you're.

1406
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 2: Like this so fucking this is like living hell. But

1407
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 2: also when we were in Australia this I didn't know

1408
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 2: it from the Morehouse murders, but.

1409
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: So many people from.

1410
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 2: Perth were like my mom was so into David Bernie's

1411
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 2: boss or there was all these people that had they

1412
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 2: would just mention the Bernie's, Like my sister went to

1413
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 2: the school that blew up. Remember that it was constantly

1414
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: being referenced. Yeah, I didn't know what anyone was talking about.

1415
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 2: I'd be like, that's crazy, But we just knew it

1416
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 2: was like there was a good murder and we just

1417
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 2: didn't know about it.

1418
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: And I had read about it a little bit, but

1419
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: I had so many details wrong, and I remember picturing

1420
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: in my head of what it looked like and what happened,

1421
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: and it's so wrong from what really was going on. Yes,

1422
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: but that detail is if it were in a movie

1423
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, this is you're going crazy, Like,

1424
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: let's not be let's not turn it into like full

1425
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: horror movie.

1426
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's exactly what this is.

1427
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: And then yes, what happened. They killed her They grab

1428
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: an axe, kill her head off. No, and just hit

1429
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: her in the head with the axe and killed her.

1430
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: But they say that this is kind of where Catherine

1431
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: broke a little bit. The brutality of this part is

1432
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean, fucking stabbing someone like that's not bad enough.

1433
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 3: But so this is just like, yeah, I would it

1434
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 3: would cut through.

1435
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: Three.

1436
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 3: It's just the next level insanity.

1437
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So no more people dying, okay, Okay, all right,

1438
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: now read Okay, let's go.

1439
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 3: Let's now we do our cooking podcast. Just a clean

1440
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 3: transition into recipes.

1441
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: Stir the kngeal blood into the cellar oatmeal yea into

1442
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 1: the cell Okay, So let's get to fucking Kate Moyer.

1443
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: She's a badass. She's a seventeen year old free spirit,

1444
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: she drops out of high school. She's a model, she's

1445
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 1: this gorgeous there's all these videos. Oh, there's this really

1446
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: great true crime show called Murder Uncovered and episode one

1447
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: is without her. So there's all these videos. She is

1448
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: the one from the beginning of a story that escaped. Okay,

1449
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: all right, so she's this fucking cool shit badass woman.

1450
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 1: On November tenth, nineteen eighty six, she accepts a ride

1451
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: around the corner from her house after a night of

1452
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: drinking with friends. But she's this nice couple picks her

1453
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: up and she's like, yeah, give me a ride the

1454
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: rest of the home. They get to her house, she

1455
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: goes to open the door. There's no door handle that thing.

1456
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: But they take her to the house and they say, oh,

1457
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: you need to roll down the window or use the

1458
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 1: door handle whatever, And she goes to do that one

1459
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: and there's no door handle like they were fucking toying

1460
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: with her, and oh my god. At that point, he

1461
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: pulls out a fucking knife and holds it to her

1462
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: neck and they drive away and they tie her up.

1463
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: They take her to their house and they hang out

1464
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: with her in the living room and smoke a joint

1465
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: with her and talk to her and ask her all

1466
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: these questions. They play music and they make her strip

1467
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: and dance to Okay, ready to never hear the song again?

1468
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: The same way. And it's been in my fucking head

1469
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: since I found out what song it was. We can

1470
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: I guess? Yes? Will you tell eighty six? Thank you?

1471
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: Beds are Burning by? I'm trying to think of Australian band. Okay,

1472
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: is it? You know? How do we sleep? It's a

1473
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: good guess, but no, it's it's it's in that men

1474
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: at work. No, I don't know if they're Australian. Okay,

1475
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: they probably are rock set. No, what's that rock set song?

1476
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: So that one? No? Okayt me to sing it for you? Yes,

1477
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I should do it. I'm gonna say

1478
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: it to you and you'll sing it. Okay. It's Romeo

1479
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: and Juliet by Dire straits.

1480
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, wait a second, do it sing a little.

1481
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: Uh Juliet on the start? No, that's not right. Hold

1482
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: on so you and hold on. I'm gonna play it.

1483
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: Can I play it?

1484
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1485
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 3: Oh I don't think so.

1486
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't think we can't either. You don't know it.

1487
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: Let me play it for you. We're gonna just need

1488
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 1: to even more. I don't know anymore. And I'm embarrassed

1489
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: of my voice. Okay, I'm gonna play it for you.

1490
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna pause. So, yeah, that was a song, and

1491
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: I've just been I've had it stuck in my head

1492
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks, and it's been real troubling.

1493
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 2: It's also so creepy because like those lyrics where it's like, hey,

1494
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 2: let's give it a try. It's a love song, it's

1495
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: very romantic quote unquote, it's it's so creepy.

1496
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: There's something about that that is just, oh, you read amazing.

1497
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 3: People were fucking nuts. These people were fucking nuts, nutcases.

1498
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: Nutcases, all right, Da da da da day. So they

1499
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: like smoke weed with her and hang out with her,

1500
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: and she says to them, are you guys gonna kill me?

1501
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: And they said, we'll just rape you if you're good,

1502
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,799
Speaker 1: if you're just if you're good, we'll just rape you Jesus,

1503
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: which of course wasn't fucking true. So David holds a

1504
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: knife to her throat and forces her to call her mom.

1505
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: She says and assure her mom that she had too

1506
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: much to drink and was staying at a friend's house.

1507
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: Can you imagine like on the phone with your mom being.

1508
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: Like, I've said this to you before, but things like

1509
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 2: that make me go, we have to set up a

1510
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 2: code word where if you hear me say this word

1511
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 2: in a conversation like that, something else is going on.

1512
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 2: I actually made this plan with my friend Hollygardner when

1513
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 2: we were thirteen years old.

1514
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 1: My god, what was it?

1515
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 2: And it was like I can't remember why something had

1516
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: happened where it was like either home invasion had been

1517
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 2: in the news or some kind of thing. And I

1518
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 2: was like, we were it was some stupid thing where

1519
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 2: like we have to make up a code if we

1520
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 2: ever see this.

1521
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: It was some kind of like school books.

1522
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 3: It was something about homework books or something.

1523
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: But it was like in the movie the girl has

1524
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 1: to write a letter and there's a code in it

1525
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: that she puts in there really, and yeah, it's fucking cool.

1526
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 2: So was it a pre agreed code or she just

1527
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 2: put it in hoping that they would find out.

1528
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: She put it in hoping that they would find out.

1529
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: I like the idea of a pre agreed Okay, what

1530
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: about stay sexy, don't get murdered? If we ever say

1531
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: that to each other? Stevens kidnapped us and made us

1532
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,839
Speaker 1: make a podcast to be like ninety episodes.

1533
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: I know that you're trying to get me to call

1534
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: my family as a cover for your murder of me, right,

1535
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 2: but real quick, do you mind if I talk about

1536
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 2: a podcast with my family member?

1537
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 3: It's what we always do.

1538
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: Okay. If we ever say, I don't know, use the

1539
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: word suburbanites, okay, if the word suburbanites comes out of

1540
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: any of ourm I would never say that word normally, Okay,

1541
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: I would never say that suburbanites.

1542
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: If suburbanites comes into the picture, it's code read okay,

1543
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: something bad's happening.

1544
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm at the suburbanit's house and like that, I'm trying.

1545
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: I'm practicing figure.

1546
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 3: Out a way to fit that word.

1547
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 1: Right. Hey, I got drunk. I'm staying at my suburbanite

1548
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: friend's house. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. That really

1549
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: stands out. It doesn't work. What if we say, if

1550
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: we ever say choo instead of bye ship, so you

1551
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: save it up till the very end?

1552
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 3: Oh shit, yeah no, but I mean that's fine.

1553
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: But what about Ola? If we say ola when we're

1554
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 1: like saying hello, Ola, Karen, I'm just going to stay

1555
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: the night at my friend's house, Ola k tall.

1556
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 3: Okay, done, we'll figure this out. Yeah, let's all just

1557
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 3: have a code word though.

1558
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: Okay, dire straits blah blah blah. That's right.

1559
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 3: So I'm going to a dire Straits concert.

1560
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 2: Right, and I'm I am in dire straits and I

1561
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: am am seriously in dire straits.

1562
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: Okay. Then she's forced to dnswer them. Then she's forced

1563
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: to sleep in the couple's bed, well handcuffed to David,

1564
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: so they rape her. Catherine joins in. She starts screaming

1565
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: at one point, and they come in and they say

1566
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: the sleeping arrangements have changed, and they bring her into

1567
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: their bed together. They handcuff her ankle to David's. He

1568
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 1: tries to make her take sleeping pills. She hides them

1569
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,839
Speaker 1: in her mouth and then tucks them into the mattress

1570
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: while they're sleeping, because she's like, I know that if

1571
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: I fall asleep here, I'm going to die. She was

1572
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: on fucking point, and she said, this is this interview,

1573
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: this is her first interview ever, and she seems so normal,

1574
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: it's scary, Like she seems amazing. She says she knew

1575
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: she had like a two hundred to one chance of surviving,

1576
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: but she was going to do whatever she could to

1577
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: make it happen.

1578
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 3: Hell, yes, that's that's the that's the mental place you

1579
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 3: need to be in.

1580
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: She was there, and you know what she kept she

1581
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: started fucking doing. She was like, no one's going to

1582
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: believe me that I was in this house. They're going

1583
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 1: to She watched them take her clothes and bag them

1584
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: up so that they wouldn't leave anything behind when they

1585
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: got rid of the evidence. She knew that's what they

1586
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: were doing in her mind, so she said, I'm going

1587
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 1: to leave evidence here so someone knows I was here.

1588
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: So she starts fucking hiding shit in the house. She

1589
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: makes little drawings and hides them in the mattress. She

1590
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: takes the pills and hides them there. She puts a

1591
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: lipstick in this like weird spot, just to prove that

1592
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: she was there, her name and everything on a little

1593
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: piece of paper. Brilliant. Yeah, I lost my thing, but

1594
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: hold on, okay, where was I hold on?

1595
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 3: Insert page numbers?

1596
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 2: I did?

1597
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: I did, And now I don't remember what page I

1598
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: want and I don't know where I put them, all right,

1599
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 1: So the day after she was kidnapped, the next day,

1600
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: David leaves her work and Catherine goes to the door

1601
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: because someone comes to the door for a drug dealer,

1602
01:19:55,479 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: for a drug deal, and they think so Catherine forgets

1603
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 1: to chain Kate up. She just pushes her in the

1604
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: room and says stay in this room. And they think

1605
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: that maybe in her mind was so fucked up from

1606
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: the last murder that she just wasn't thinking straight ORed

1607
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: or wasn't on her game. And Kate realizes it's a

1608
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: fucking chance to escape, so she finds a window. She

1609
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,759
Speaker 1: breaks the lock on it, pushes out the window, jumps

1610
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,879
Speaker 1: out of the window, hits her head on the concrete

1611
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: on the way down, and starts fucking booking it down

1612
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: the street, knocking on doors, no one's answering. She jumps

1613
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: a fence and a fucking dog attacks her. In someone's yard. No,

1614
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: gets the fuck out, keeps running. Sees her like a

1615
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 1: vacuum cleaner store with a man in a suit out front,

1616
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: and runs to him and.

1617
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,480
Speaker 3: She says, I was hysterical.

1618
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm barefoot, wearing my black leggings, a black singlet and knickers.

1619
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: She says to him, help, I've been raped. Please take

1620
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: me inside and call the police. And she's afraid that

1621
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: Catherine's going to come after her, so she says, if

1622
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: a woman comes here and says I had a fight

1623
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: with her and I'm her daughter, don't believe her. I've

1624
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: been raped.

1625
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 4: Shit.

1626
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: And so she's brought to the police station and she's

1627
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: handed off to our friend, Constable Laura Hancock, our twenty

1628
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: two year old friend who's never taken let me never

1629
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: taken a statement before, and hand it off to her

1630
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: because they don't believe her. Oh, they told her write

1631
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: her up for making a false report. The Laura's hearing

1632
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: her story, hearing these crazy details, including how shut like

1633
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: the shine and the numbers on the fucking chains, that

1634
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: she was locked up in, what color robe David was wearing,

1635
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 1: what color robe she had to wear, all these details,

1636
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: and she keeps going up to outside to her like

1637
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: her captain and being like, I don't think she's lying.

1638
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: She's telling me this and this and this and the

1639
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: like she's lying. Go back in get more information. Finally,

1640
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: Kate says the couple had been using pseudonyms the whole time,

1641
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,759
Speaker 1: but she had seen their names on the medicine bottle

1642
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: and the name was David Bernie. Oh, and then they

1643
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 1: believed her because he had a crazy fucking record. Yes,

1644
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: so then they were like, oh shit, sou she. Police

1645
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 1: go to the house and in they find the stuff

1646
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: Kate stashed proving she was there, and the movie they

1647
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: made her watch when they had been smoking pot. It

1648
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: was in the VCR. It was fucking Rambo and the

1649
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 1: Dire Straits cassette in this area, so like, all the

1650
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 1: details is there, uh, And they find her hidden trinkets

1651
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: as well. So David and Catherine are arrested and interrogated,

1652
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: and just the detectives were about to give up on him.

1653
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: You know it was going to be a he said,

1654
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 1: she said bullshit thing. Detective Sergeant Vince Katich says, look,

1655
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: it's getting dark. Just tell us where they're buried, and

1656
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: David says, okay, and he takes them to where the

1657
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 1: graves are so like as a holy Mary. He says

1658
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: that just how it's getting dark, just tell us.

1659
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:52,919
Speaker 3: Is brilliant.

1660
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Later, when Catherine's asked, okay, let's see all right,

1661
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: all right, So they are both sentenced to four terms

1662
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,799
Speaker 1: of life imprisonment. They're required to serve twenty years before

1663
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 1: being eligible for parole. When asked why she had done it,

1664
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: Catherine said, because I wanted to see how strong I

1665
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: was within my inner self. I didn't feel a thing.

1666
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: It was like I expected. I was prepared to follow

1667
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: him to the end of the earth and do anything

1668
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: to see that his desires were satisfied. She was a female.

1669
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: Females hurt and destroy males. That's why she did it.

1670
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 2: Killed oh oh, like on behalf of males. She was

1671
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 2: killing females.

1672
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: She didn't feel anything like all females were fucked up. So,

1673
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: after nineteen years in prison, David Bernie is found dead

1674
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: in his cell on October seven, two thousand and five.

1675
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: He hanged himself from an air vent using a length

1676
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: of cord. Do you think he hanged himself? Yeah, I

1677
01:23:55,880 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: think he was really depressed and he hanged himself. Yeah,

1678
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: And then he was fifty five years old. After her

1679
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: fourth bid for parole was declined in twenty sixteen, Sorry,

1680
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: Catherine's fourth bid for parole decline in twenty sixteen, just

1681
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: last year, and our friend badass Kate over here has

1682
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: a campaign to end Western Australian's laws that automatically put

1683
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: convicts up for parole every three years. Because she's not

1684
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: even asking for a parole, they just keep putting her.

1685
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: Up, right, That's just it's like it's like a computer's

1686
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 2: doing it right basically.

1687
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: So their speculation, of course, that the brain is responsible

1688
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: for a couple other disappearances, including Sharon Renwick in May

1689
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six and Barbaroa Western in June nineteen eighty six.

1690
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 1: And based on what the evidence they talk about in

1691
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: the documentary, I absolutely think that they were responsible for

1692
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: those two disappearances. And then there's also the disappearance of

1693
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: Lisa Mott in nineteen eighty and it looks like that

1694
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: was David's doing for sure. I mean, there's just no

1695
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't. So that's the Uh. The Moorhouse murders, holy shit, dude,

1696
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: I went dark.

1697
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:08,919
Speaker 3: That was crazy.

1698
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 2: They're all horrible, but I mean that was like, it's

1699
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 2: so funny, it makes so much sense now why so

1700
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 2: many people brought up the Bernie's.

1701
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: To us, because it was a normal suburb and it

1702
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 1: was a normal couple that everyone thought was just you know,

1703
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: and you look deep into it and there's so many

1704
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: fucked up points to it. There's so many creepy details,

1705
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: and you know, you can't judge a book by its cover. Yeah,

1706
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: it's so fucked up.

1707
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 3: And you can't judge a book by the baby seat

1708
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 3: in the back.

1709
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's just this thing of not understanding how

1710
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: how you can't understand how one person would do it.

1711
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: To begin with Ted Bundy, I can't understand how anyone

1712
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 1: would do what he did. And then you see these

1713
01:25:55,680 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 1: two people and it's almost more manipular and more sinister,

1714
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: and it's.

1715
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well, it's like doubles everything because then it's

1716
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 2: just like, how did you get another individual to yeah,

1717
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 2: he as fucked up as you and to go into

1718
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 2: this with you? And then what does that mean about

1719
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 2: your relationship? And yeah, it's all it's all that, it's

1720
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 2: just it's just so beyond beyond Yeah, amazing.

1721
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'd not being at a live show, isn't it?

1722
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: What's that so weird? Not being at a live show,

1723
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 1: isn't it? Where's our applause? Steven clap for us? How

1724
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: do we know when it even? Dare applause? We don't know.

1725
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: We're just pinning a cat. I don't know if this

1726
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: is over.

1727
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all bummed out.

1728
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: And we are back.

1729
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: That's so funny that you wanted applause because we had

1730
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 2: been doing so many live shows. That's such a funny

1731
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 2: last things making Stephen applaud for us because we were

1732
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 2: now he goes are now too big? Forced? David?

1733
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any updates on this horrible case? I

1734
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: just have one. Catherine's youngest son, using an alias, has

1735
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 1: made public statements about the difficulties of growing up in

1736
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: the shadow of his mother's heinous crimes. He's also said

1737
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: that he supports Catherine receiving the death penalty, as well

1738
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: as Kate Moyer's efforts to reform parole laws, which you.

1739
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 2: Know, but the idea that like he feels forced and

1740
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 2: even with an alias, he feels forced to come out

1741
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 2: and say, yes, I agree my mom should be killed.

1742
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 2: Where it's like that's horrible, It's not for him to say,

1743
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: and public pressure should never be like you now speak

1744
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 2: and answer for your mother's hideous crimes, right.

1745
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: Because you happen to be the child of that person.

1746
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: But you know, good for him for saying something.

1747
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 2: It's just true true, But I mean, like, is it

1748
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 2: even true. It's like it's he's just having to do

1749
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 2: the thing where it's like, well, that's a complete loss.

1750
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 2: So now I have to not be shunned by society.

1751
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 2: Family members and friends should never be put in that pas,

1752
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 2: in my opinion.

1753
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 1: Totally expected to be advocates either way. Yeah, but definitely

1754
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: watch Hounds of Love. It's a twenty sixteen Australian movie

1755
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: that's like based on this story kind of loosely, but

1756
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: there's a lot of factual stuff in it, and that

1757
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: movie has fucking stayed with me.

1758
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: Okay, great, well, now we're going to head back into

1759
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 2: the episode for a much needed segment good things of

1760
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 2: the week.

1761
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: Now we have to do one positive thing. Oh yeah,

1762
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: that's right, what's yours? Okay? So mine is? I am

1763
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: so obsessed with it. It's our new Like everyone now

1764
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: needs to go watch it because that we're all in

1765
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,679
Speaker 1: a fucking low place because of that story. So now

1766
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: it's like the bobs Burger thing. Yes, now go turn

1767
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: on go to Netflix and turn on Big Mouse. It's

1768
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:53,799
Speaker 1: Nick Krall and John Mulaney's new cartoon, Coming of Age,

1769
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: but fucking dark and hilarious. It is so fucking good.

1770
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: I want to cry. And so now we're watching it

1771
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: and we're just amazing the whole time.

1772
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 3: Oh, that's great, it's so good.

1773
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah.

1774
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 2: I definitely have that pause when people that I know

1775
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 2: and love and admire have something come out.

1776
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: I have.

1777
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 2: I do like a three month pause on it, and

1778
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 2: I just wait to hear what people say because I

1779
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 2: get nervous. I'm afraid if people's thing is bad. Yeah,

1780
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,600
Speaker 2: then if it is or hear it might be that,

1781
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 2: I just go. I just pretend it never exists, right,

1782
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 2: and I don't have to, like have an opinion on where.

1783
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: I completely understand. I vetted it for you. It is

1784
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: so sweet and so good and so wonderful. I believe it.

1785
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 3: Because Nick Croll is truly one of the funniest people.

1786
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,560
Speaker 1: Nikrol is so funny, and then she's proved to me,

1787
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: like he can't do anything fucking wrong. No, he just

1788
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. He is so good. This show

1789
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: is darling. It's darling while also being like weirdly dark

1790
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 1: and funny. It's just great.

1791
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 3: That's great.

1792
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, watch it.

1793
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 2: I watched a movie on the flight home from Florida,

1794
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 2: which was kind of a beast.

1795
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 3: That was like a six hour flight. Yeah, that we took.

1796
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 2: So I was like, when I do that, I'm always like, Okay,

1797
01:29:59,160 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 2: that means three movies.

1798
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can do three movies.

1799
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,600
Speaker 1: I do it. I fuging every day. I lay on

1800
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: the couch and watch nine movies. Dogs Bother You the

1801
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: whole time.

1802
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 2: Too, A little piece of quiet. Yeah, maybe fun. Strangers

1803
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 2: are going to get into an argument snacks. Who knows, yes, snacks.

1804
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: You know.

1805
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,839
Speaker 2: My new thing these days is and I don't know why.

1806
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 2: This is how insane I am. When they come around

1807
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 2: and offer snacks on flights. I'm always like, no, thank you,

1808
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 2: I will eat the worst shit.

1809
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: In the world. You just don't want them to know

1810
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: that you're.

1811
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 2: I just try to pretend like I'm some kind of

1812
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 2: an island like drink no, thank you, I need nothing.

1813
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 1: I do bought water.

1814
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 3: Do you want some pretzels?

1815
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: No, I'm not reliant on your snacks and beveraitches.

1816
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 3: I do not need you.

1817
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 1: I am self sufficient in my movie So Crazy.

1818
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 3: But that was that's not my thing, okay, I want

1819
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 3: it to be.

1820
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: That's not my good.

1821
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 3: Point is my independence from playing snacks.

1822
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 1: That's it that makes me happy.

1823
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 3: I will say this not to do a commercial for

1824
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 3: Je Bluine. Anyway.

1825
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 2: We neither here nor there them except that weird thing

1826
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 2: they had where they had a little.

1827
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: They trust you to get your own snacks.

1828
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 2: You can walk up to where the bathroom is, and

1829
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 2: across from the bathroom there is a refrigerator with every

1830
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 2: drink in it, and then a.

1831
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 3: Like a weird cupboard with a ton of snacks in it.

1832
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: It's like, you're an adult and you can fucking police

1833
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: yourself and you're not gonna jam a bunch of cheese

1834
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: at bags into your.

1835
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 2: Purse because everyone can see you, right brilliantly placed. So

1836
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 2: it's like when I went to get I was like, oh,

1837
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 2: I want to.

1838
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 1: See what they have.

1839
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 2: But then I noticed that you would have to open

1840
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 2: the door to look and see what the snacks were.

1841
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: When I ate cookies, did you yeah really good? Yeah? No,

1842
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 1: they're fine? Is that what makes me happy?

1843
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 2: I brought a gingerrell No, I brought it back to

1844
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 2: my seat, and then I watched this movie that my

1845
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 2: friend had told me was good. My friend Mollie told

1846
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 2: me it was good already. But it's the Jeremy Runner

1847
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Mary oh Olson movie called wind River, and it's

1848
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 2: about a murder that takes place on a Native American reservation.

1849
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 2: And it is so well done, and it is a

1850
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 2: female writer director, and it should be getting way more

1851
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 2: press and when more attention.

1852
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 3: I think it did really good at festivals.

1853
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 2: And that's how it popped in the first place, and

1854
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 2: why it's like on a jet blue. It's really interesting.

1855
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:27,440
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Olsen is one of the greater actors of her generation.

1856
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: Did you ever see Martha Marcy May Marlene that movie?

1857
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen that movie, you got it. It's

1858
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 2: about a girl that just left a cult.

1859
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: Oh I'm missing out.

1860
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 3: It's great.

1861
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 2: That's from like probably four five years ago, maybe, But

1862
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 2: this one, wind River, is this incredible. It's a murder

1863
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 2: mystery thing, but then really it kind of unfolds into

1864
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 2: this thing and at the end it does one of

1865
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 2: those like true facts go up onto the screen and

1866
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 2: Native American women go missing around the reservation constantly, and

1867
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 2: there are no.

1868
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: Reports about it.

1869
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 2: Oh my god, ever anywhere ever, no one looks into it,

1870
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 2: no one makes no one investigates it. And so whatever

1871
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 2: happens on this land, whoever's there, and whatever they do,

1872
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: young women go missing or women go missing and they

1873
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 2: just don't no one does anything about it.

1874
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 3: And it was very upsetting.

1875
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 2: Like the story itself is good and very emotional, it's

1876
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 2: really well told and well written. But then that factoid

1877
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 2: at the end that's like this is kind of why

1878
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 2: we made this movie.

1879
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 3: Is so upsetting.

1880
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 1: It's a thing we kind of know, we know in general,

1881
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: but to.

1882
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 2: Know that specifically about like indigenous people of America is

1883
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 2: insanely fucked up. And I just encourage everybody to kind

1884
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,599
Speaker 2: of take it all in and go look into it,

1885
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 2: because that woman is really really talented who put all

1886
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 2: that whole thing together?

1887
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: And then watch big Mouths say stop crying exactly, like.

1888
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 2: Take that in, get the full weight once again of

1889
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 2: underrepresented people, the marginalized people, right, and then big mouth,

1890
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 2: big mouth Athanda watch big Mouth for some I just

1891
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 2: know that there's tons of like in that on that show,

1892
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 2: there's tons of stuff about him like, because it's basically

1893
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 2: him in puberty.

1894
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so so good fucking Maya Rudolph her character.

1895
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't give it away. It's a hormone monster.

1896
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,640
Speaker 1: It's so fucking good. I want to cry. It's so good. Oh,

1897
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch it. Everything about it is beautiful. Okay,

1898
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 1: we are back from our good things. We're back.

1899
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 2: And before we pick a title, I just I need

1900
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty six corrections corner because.

1901
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Oh yeah, Oh my god.

1902
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 2: I was so excited and proud of the female writer

1903
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 2: director of wind River, Taylor Sheridan, who is such a man.

1904
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 2: He is entirely a man. My mistake, My apologies to

1905
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 2: both Taylor Sheridan and women. We can make wind River

1906
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 2: and anything like it and more, and we have and

1907
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 2: we will again.

1908
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you had a fifty to fifty chance of

1909
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: getting that one, well, I guess not. You had a

1910
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: who knows Back in twenty seventeen, the percentage was fifty

1911
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,520
Speaker 1: to fifty. Nowadays, it's a lot nowadays.

1912
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 2: It would be wrong if I didn't know, and I

1913
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 2: think I learned it on the first time I happened

1914
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:28,839
Speaker 2: by Yellowstone and then I was like, wait a second,

1915
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:30,719
Speaker 2: I've been tricked.

1916
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: She tricked me. All right. So this episode was originally

1917
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 1: titled Go Get Your Thing, which we love. But if

1918
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: we were naming it today based on some fucking Rando

1919
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 1: thing we said in the episode.

1920
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 2: I mean I would absolutely name it Monte Cristo is

1921
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 2: a private sandwich, which is you talking about what it's

1922
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 2: like to eat Monte.

1923
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: Cristo's I stand by that, Yeah, it's true. Also, if

1924
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: you have to eat with a fork and a knife,

1925
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 1: is it still a sandwich? That's I think the new

1926
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: hot Dog is a sandwich debate. Yeah, that's right.

1927
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 2: I think that it totally disqualifies it as a sandwich,

1928
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 2: because then what is remaining that keeps it a sandwich?

1929
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? And if there's like an egg on it,

1930
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 1: if you couldn't pick it up without being a fucking

1931
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: disgusting human being, then is it a sandwich?

1932
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 3: So then it's just the shape of a sandwich that

1933
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 3: has to be dealt with like flat food.

1934
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: Right, it's like a cast role more than it is

1935
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:20,879
Speaker 1: a sandwich.

1936
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 2: I know you don't want to, but I do think

1937
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 2: we need to start this food podcast pretty soon because

1938
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,839
Speaker 2: this is this is compelling content?

1939
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: You're always good at talking about food. I can't wait

1940
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: to do the rewind of the first episode about is

1941
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: this a sandwich podcast that comes out of Oh my god?

1942
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:41,759
Speaker 2: And Vincent Jo DeRosa can sue us because they already

1943
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 2: had this sandwich podcast idea, right.

1944
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Speaker 1: Okay, we can also call it. I thought of your

1945
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Speaker 1: pig people. Oh yeah, what about I thought the orchard? Orchard?

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know you love pig people, and I

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Speaker 2: think of you often when they come up.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Also, the horse won't start. Uh, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one. That would be funny if the

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Speaker 1: horse wouldn't start. All right? Well, is that it? Did

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Speaker 1: we do it?

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Speaker 2: I think we did it. I mean it's for our part.

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Speaker 2: We're done right now. Twenty seventeen US has to wrap

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Speaker 2: it up.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, thirty seven year old Georgia has to

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Speaker 1: talk now. Don't let her? Why does anyone let her

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Speaker 1: do that? It's just a mistake to let thirty seven

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Speaker 1: year olds talk.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's too bad because we have nine years of it.

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Speaker 1: So oh good, okay, great, Well, let's take good bye

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Speaker 1: from twenty seventeen. Thanks for listening, Thank you, Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: You guys, guys, thanks for being here with us once again.

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Speaker 1: Once again, and we appreciate it and you guys are

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Speaker 1: the best.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for everything. Thank you, and just from us

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Speaker 2: to you, stay sexy.

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Speaker 1: And don't get murdered. Bye Bye, Elvis, Elvis, wait, Donnie Els,

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Speaker 1: show her how ells? Cookie elis what cookie thought? He

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Speaker 1: what Cookie