WEBVTT - Born Psychopath 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.359 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.160 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.200 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:27.520 These are our stories, Done done. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:32.760 Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up n sv podcast. 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.960 I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klank and I'm Elisa Traeger. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.280 We talk SVU crime and we do not have celeb 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.320 guests because we are in the strike in the horn 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:45.080 of a union. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.080 Yeah, but we got a good one for you. Like always. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.440 The only thing I didn't do much this weekend, but 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:53.600 I would like to share. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:55.920 I did see the movie Strays. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:00.240 Oh my god, you wanted to see that so bad. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:00.920 I went alone. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.960 I went to see Strays at just in our Highland 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:08.920 Park Theater, which is very old timy. It's cheap, it's teens. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.479 The screen is not good like it is pretty funny. 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.319 It's floor it's sticky, like your feet stick to the floor. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.679 But I like going there because it reminds me of 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.479 when I was in high school going to see movies exactly. 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.120 And the prices are not and I like that. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.520 It's they seem like teens that care less than the 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.960 teens that are at AMC or Regal, you know what 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:32.080 I mean. Yeah, they're more bad teens. Like they're just 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.399 lounging on their phones on the counter. There is no 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.800 boss overlords and there's no uniforms, so they're slutty and 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:40.240 their boyfriends are visiting them. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.440 And I enjoy that, I really do. 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.039 But I was embarrassed because there were teens behind me, 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.320 and I think they were fooling around, but they were 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.760 being loud and they kept getting louder. There's only like 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.040 seven of us in the theater, and they just kept 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:55.600 getting loud, and at one point they were so loud. 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.440 But I felt so weird to try to tell someone 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.880 to shut up during a talking dog, you know what 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:01.200 I mean. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.120 I know it's like I'm gonna miss the plot. Yeah, 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:05.520 I just put into it. 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:07.840 I was like, you gotta let the teens just talk 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.200 as loudly as they want, because you you know, they 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:12.040 have skateboards. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.119 I'm not messing with them. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.480 And for the dog movie, but it was funny, but 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.440 I was the only one laughing. I actually I want 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.600 to be in more packed theaters, like I was the 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.560 only one laughing, or maybe I'm. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.640 Just a fool, but I wrote, you know, I enjoyed it. 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:26.120 It was silly. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.520 Yeah, well the teens are like not laughing because they're like, 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.720 what if my friend doesn't think it's funny. I mean, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.919 or they're busy giving each other hand jobs or something. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:34.040 I don't know, but like, oh no. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.960 There were two orgasm noises that came from the back there. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.240 They were not behaving. 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:41.760 And that's not a big theater, Like if you're hooking 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.200 up at the AMC or something, you're you're a pot. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:44.960 You're in the back. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:49.120 You're like, so there's only like maybe twenty rows maybe 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.160 like honey, what if I need to pee once? 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.600 And I see everything? No I heard? I was I 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:57.679 felt old for sure. 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.920 You're making me think of the time where I was 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:01.520 way younger than I am now. 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:02.320 And I yelled at. 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.920 A bunch of teens at the premiere, not the premiere 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.040 the first Hunger Games movie. When I went to go 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.360 see it, I was in the front fucking row. So 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.640 I was so pissed because that movie is like, not 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:12.560 the movie you want to be in. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.320 The front row? Four Like what movie do you want 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.920 to be in the now? I'm just saying, like a 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:17.880 movie that's more. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.720 Just like like I could see book Club in the 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.120 top in the front row if I had to, you 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.799 know what I mean, Like there's not action sequences where 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.440 your whole like body is like you can't even see 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:28.800 what's going on because you're so close. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.399 And then these teens next to me were like, would 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:31.359 not shut up, and I was. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.320 Like, be quiet if I'm in the front row, I'm 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.160 not like not letting you ruin this for me. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.400 And that's the last time I remember yelling at a teen, 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.200 So that was many years. Did they listen or did 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:39.560 they tell you? 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.520 Yeah, they thought they were quiet after they were quiet 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:42.880 after I told them I was nice. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.160 So I was like, can you guys just stop? 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.920 And they were like yeah, okay. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:47.440 Yeah. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.000 The only movie I remember distinctly being really in the 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.440 like front row was Pineapple Express. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.280 Okay, that so because I. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.200 Do love a lot of old timey shit, but I 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.520 do like reserving seats. It's nice, Yes, it's you know, 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.240 you can come a little later. You don't have to 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.200 watch the pre like it really used to be such 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:10.160 a race, and I like getting my time gifted back 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:10.400 to me. 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:15.000 Yeah that was Hunger Games was absolutely in a pre 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.320 reserved seat. Time, because I was like, I've already bought 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.120 my ticket, Like I didn't even consider that I could 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.240 like get a refund and come another time. Like I 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.320 was like, I'm here. I have to see Hunger Games. 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.080 I have to see it in the worst way possible. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.200 So I saw it at a with my neck at 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.160 a forty five degree or even steeper angle. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.599 But oh, you know what I've been wanting to. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.760 Do forever is shout out are We have a good 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.000 friend named Amy Phillips who we've been on her We've 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.800 been on her Patreon. She has a great patron about Bravo. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.400 She's like the woman that imitates all the housewives. Her 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.800 therapist listens to our podcast and I just want to say, Hey, 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.680 you're doing the Lord's work out there helping people with 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.280 their minds. Thank you for listening. I told her we 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:55.800 would give her therapist a shout. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:56.920 Out, and here I am doing it. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.520 And then, speaking of all things Bravo related, we Lisa 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.839 and I are actually going to be guest hosting the 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.600 daily show on Sirius XM called Reality Checked. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:13.240 It's on every day from one to. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.919 Two Pacific, so if you're on the East coast, that's 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.800 four to five. So that's kind of like your drive 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.559 timer when you're going to pick up kids from school 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.200 or whatever. That's a great time, Sirius XM Radio Andy. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.479 It's called Reality Checked, and it's the week of September eighteenth, 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.160 which is my birthday week. If you don't tune in, 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.960 you're specifically not giving me a birthday gift. Eighteen nineteen, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:36.800 twenty twenty one, twenty two. We are going to be 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.440 on every day for an hour. 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:40.000 Talking about Bravo. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.120 Yeah, I'm really fucking excited, and we're gonna feel like 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.400 real radio jockeys. You know, I'm gonna feel like Eddie 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:50.760 and Jobo. I can't wait. Those are our boys in Chicago. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.960 Or for me, Elvis dray On from Z one hundred. Yeah, 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.240 I'll just feel like we got a collar coming in. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.400 But ba ba boo, Like I can't wait for us 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.239 to be fully zany shock jocks. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.440 I'm really I'm really fucking jazzed. And this actually reminded 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.680 me of are we we went to dinner. We did 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.400 go to dinner. We did see Mandy Moore and Hillary 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.000 Duff at the same restaurant. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.880 Excuse me together together with men. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:19.280 That are just like a sketch artists drawing of a 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:25.360 man like, no distinguishable characteristics, nothing, just blurs of a beard, 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.719 Like you don't even look at these little torps. 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.000 Yeah, you have Mandy Moore and Hillary Duff walking by you. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.839 You were like, I'll give you five million dollars to 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.640 give me two physical descriptions of one of these men. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.080 I would be like, I would actually do it because 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:40.920 brown hair and beard. 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.599 Yeah, I guess I don't know the brown hair. I'd 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.839 be like, I think, like, I don't. I was really 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.760 I didn't even register their faces. It was full prosopagnosia 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.320 face blindness, did not register them at all. I had 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.719 only eyes for Mandy Moore and Hillary Duff, and it 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:56.359 was amazing. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.160 It was amazing. I wish I was just so focused 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.440 because we knew Hillary was there. Our friends saw like 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.880 on the way to the bathroom, so that was confirmed. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.000 And I wish I wasn't so focused on Hillary Duff 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:07.760 that I got. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.240 More into my eyes and brain of Mandy Moore. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.920 She's just like a tall blur to me that I liked, magnetic. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.440 You could tell why she's a star, But too quick, Oh, 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.720 I'm actually looking at a gift bag right now. I 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.440 went to the store Shorthand in our neighborhood. They have 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.200 such good cards. Oh yeah, they have cards for things 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.880 that no one else does. There's one about like congratulating 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.040 someone on being sober and how hard it is to 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:38.120 be sober. They have cards if your pet passes, they 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.760 have like they just have such supportive cards that you 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.040 don't see in other places. 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.680 Yeah, and they're beautiful too, They're all just like such 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.120 pretty cards a Shorthand. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.920 Yeah, I just I'm obsessed with it. I didn't wait. 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:55.640 So you got a message from someone a DM and 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:56.880 they had a question for me. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.480 Yes, we got a message from a listener that really 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.640 made me lol. I took a screenshot I sent it 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.720 to Lisa that was just like, can someone explain why 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:10.400 Lisa went to an evangelical college when she is the 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:11.840 biggest jew around? 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.160 Like, what's happening? How did this happen? 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:18.640 You know, whether my word's not theirs, but how did 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.880 Lisa end up at this midwestern evangelical college? 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.040 And I was like, what a great question. We will address. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.840 It's so perfeit question. And I'm so excited to dive 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.640 into this. So I went to Iowa State. That's where 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.000 I went in the beginning. Do I regret wasting my 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.719 family's money? Of course, I don't know why I went 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.479 to the Iowa. It was to follow my passion advertising. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.599 So I arrive at Iwa State, I'm there for a 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.680 year and a half and I drop out my second 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.040 semester sophomore year. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:49.800 It just was not working out for me. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.400 There there were some arrests, and if you want to 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.200 know more about the arrests, I did a show on 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.800 Comedy Central called This Is Not Happening and it's on 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:03.040 YouTube and I tell all my arrest stories and yeah, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.480 cool show. So after I dropped out, I went home 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.640 and I wasn't really like allowed a break. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.880 I had to like, what's up next? What's going on? 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.680 So I decided I want to work in the music business, 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.280 and I went to Columbia College for a semester for 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.400 music business. I am tone deaf and it is insane, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.360 and I was working at a hair salon. I was 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.640 going to Columbia College and within a semester I knew 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:32.160 this was not my path. And so there was a 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.160 girl that was on a real world in my class. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:35.640 She was annoying. I kind of want a stalk her 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.760 and find her. Ooh, that'll be a fun adventure for me. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.720 So then I decided I wanted to be a pe teacher, 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:46.360 and I remembered my old pe teachers, a couple of them. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.800 And when old softball coach went to this place called 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.760 North Park and it's in the city. It's on Foster 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.160 and Kedzie in Chicago, and that's only like a twenty 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.600 minute drive for my parents' house. So I just thought, okay, great, 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.440 and they advertised it like it's a commuter school. So 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.800 there's billboards everywhere of all different types of city kids 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.520 hanging out. And it's a big issue because they they 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.720 advertised like, oh, we're just a city college, come on down. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.000 And I thought it was gonna be like Leola, Notre 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.120 Dame de Paul, like sure, it's religious, it's jesuit, but 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:21.720 like not really. And then it was truly evangelical, no gay, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:26.440 no abortion, get married at nineteen, like brag about your 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.520 fucking mission trips, like gross. It was I went and 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.800 open minded, chill, and then I just kept having to 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.480 write essays on gay issues like is jay marriage okay? 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.120 And I'm like, this is so not an issue for me. 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.240 You don't even know where I've worked and what I've done. 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.600 Like I it's like, at that point, I had worked 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.839 at hair Salon's as a team with just like drag 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.960 queens and derby girls and like cool ass people, and 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.360 then I was in this college so regressive, having to 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.960 like talk about gay as if it was an issue 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.520 that it just it was fuck Yeah. But I also 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.720 regret it because within that mile of that college there's 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.559 another college, Northeastern, and I just felt like it wasn't 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:09.400 good enough for me. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.640 But it would have been. It's a four year college. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.959 It would have been so much cheaper, it would have 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.360 been easier, It would have been amazing, but I wouldn't 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:19.200 have met my best friend. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:24.079 Yeah, I was gonna say Julia, So yeah. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.760 And then I switched to sociology because I found comedy 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.080 at twenty one, and so I just switched to sociology. 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:30.920 And I did like my little core girl group. I 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.120 would say, like, we did have a great senior seminar. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.440 We did cool experiments and essays and like I loved 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.520 the one professor I had who recently passed. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.200 Actually, and then so you stayed there for two more years? 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.319 Well, I actually had one more semester with a few 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:48.920 credits that I had to do because of all the 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:54.040 transferring I did, like not everything transferred, and we're lucky 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:58.839 that I had a friend and that worked there. Some 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:03.599 things were shifted, some things were counted. So I surprised 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.440 my parents with my graduation. So my sister told them 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.560 that they were going to a Russian concert and then 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.920 they just stopped at McDonald's and then I was in 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.400 the McDonald's and my cap and gown ready for them. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:15.520 And then it was a surprise. 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.160 And I knew my dad was in a good mood 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.280 because we went to Ma Giano's and we got to 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.880 get apps and desserts and I got like a mint 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:28.400 a grasshopper dessert drink. Like I could tell he was 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:32.079 really in a good mood when we went. Yeah, I 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.320 love it. But they were so surprised. Yeah, so that 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.400 was that's the long tail. Should I have gone to 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.160 Northeast Stern? Should I have stayed in school? Like I 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.040 tell the youth, don't waste your parents' money at our loans, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.800 Like it's really, I guess, do you want to go 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.439 where you want to go in your teen? But it 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.600 is not a regret, but I feel bad. I feel guilty. 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.840 I feel like, yeah, I know that's life. You experience 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.920 things to get where you are, but I do feel bad, 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.559 like they work so hard. It took all their money 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:06.480 for what we to take economics in Iowa. Like it's 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.680 just it's insane. College is so fucked. But I hope 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.160 all of you that have just started college or grad 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.200 school or your kids have just started school are having 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.000 an amazing September school year. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.400 I know, I'm like seeing friends that I have that 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.520 are older drop their kids off at college. I know 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.600 your sister's just dropping one of your nieces off at college. 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.560 It's like, nuts, Yeah, I got them. I got her 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.760 a card at Shorthand. I mean, they're not paying me 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.520 for this, but I'm telling you, they just have like 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.920 such thoughtful things, like I know you're having a hard time, 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:37.920 but I'm here for you. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:42.280 Like what, like it's just so sweet. It's just so sweet. 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.520 Do they have a card that says congratulations on your 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.440 podcast going on tour? Because guess what, guys, we're going 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.400 on tour. I'm not going to get into it too much. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.679 We're always plugging our tour. But tonight, as of the really, well, 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.480 you gotta keep plugging. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.120 Because what happens is then someone goes, when are you here, 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.360 and it's like, honey, we were there. 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:02.960 A month ago. Yeah, I know. 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.000 Stop fast forwarding, guys, you got to know when we're coming. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.640 Tonight we're in Atlanta, so this very evening that you're 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.760 listening to this podcast, if you're in Atlanta, come and 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.320 come to our show alone. Everybody talking about how they 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.840 need a friend to go. We've had so many people 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.080 come to our shows alone. They meet friends. They'll stick 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.600 you at a table with other people who came alone, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.160 or they'll stick you out a little group and you'll 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.880 have fun. Everybody meets friends, they meet up again when 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:28.720 we come back to town. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:29.200 It's great. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:30.800 And then tomorrow night we're in Charlotte, and then the 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.520 next Thursday night we're in Raleigh. 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.000 Please come see us. Guys. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.880 This is as south as we're going on this tour, 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.600 so come and see us, and then check out That's 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.840 Messed up live dot com for all of our other dates. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:44.600 One more little thing I'd like. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:50.080 To plug is that my husband is producing a scripted 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:54.440 podcast for iHeartRadio and Imagine Entertainment. That's Ron Howartz company. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.680 I'm supposed to meet him on a zoom tomorrow we'll 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:57.400 see what happens. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.680 I'll report back. And it's really funny. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.600 It's like a scripted, semi scripted, semi improvised podcast about 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.080 the breakroom at a big box store like a Walmart, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.040 and we just talk about or we play all these 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.040 different characters. I'm on it. It's called Employees Only. It's 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.160 wherever you get podcasts. We are a bunch of characters, 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.400 a bunch of funny stand up comedians, and we all 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.880 are playing different characters and we just talk about. 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:21.480 The news of the week. 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.720 We have little relationships with each other. It's kind of 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.680 just like a little fun sitcom. And the episodes are 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.040 like twenty twenty five minutes long, so they're very easily 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.200 digestible on a little errand. And I would love if 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.240 you guys would listen give it a review. You know, 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:38.520 it's over there on iHeartRadio, but also everywhere Apple, Spotify, 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.040 all the places where podcasts live. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.000 So that's my relief on it. We're out there, we're hustling, 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:44.640 we're out there. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.680 And if you're in New York, I'm doing Brooklyn October eleventh, 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.120 a big bell House show that I'm. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.520 Excited about am I opening? Are you in town? I 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.120 don't know if you're going to be leaving or not. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.720 No, I was gonna open you okay, fuck yeah, fuck yeah. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.280 This is so I'll be doing. I'll be doing a 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.920 couple of minutes. Everybody come see. Yeah, and then I 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.120 might add one more friend. Then this will be fun. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:08.280 Yeah. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.000 I figure as much I figured you'd like, because I'll 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:12.320 just do like ten or something. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.000 Y'a'll have our pal host let me. I'll ask her 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.520 before I. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.520 A yeah, no, and a couple of our mutuals are 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:28.200 already coming, they told me. So let's get this episode started, baby, Yeah, 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.320 we've got a We've got this is a very god 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.480 My friend that I was gonna ask to do the 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.920 pod to open for me in Brooklyn is calling me 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:35.600 right now. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.440 It's a sign it's happening. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.000 Hold on, I'm gonna answer you. We're starting the episode. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.200 I'm answering my friend. I've been ignoring her for days. 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.000 Don't go anywhere. We're We've got an awesome episode for 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:57.720 you guys. You know I'm podcasting girl. We are doing 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.600 Born Psychopath. I'm so excited. And this is for all 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.879 the shameless fans as well. This is a little baby 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:09.800 Carl and he's grown and he is evil. Okay, wait, 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.520 what does character like on that show? I've only ever 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.880 seen that guy in this they're all trouble. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.760 Makers, like that show is a bunch of like trashy 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.560 poor people in Chicago causing crimes in trouble. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.280 But does he talk like in this, like with a 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.760 dull affect kind of or like he sounds like almost 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.320 like a surfer Cali guy to me, even when he's 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:29.720 doing this character. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.719 I remember he was like a young kid. I mean 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.000 when it started, I think he was like a child child, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.760 and then he got bad and started. You know, that's 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.119 what happens. They'll start as children and then they all 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.600 be you know, get people pregnant or get pregnant, like 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.840 the whole thing where you're. 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:45.479 That's why I stopped watching it. 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.960 Because Jeremy Allen White's character Lip got into college. He's 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.320 like a secret genius. I was so happy for him. 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.280 Then they fucked it up because of and I go, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:55.840 you know what, if you're not gonna let Lip go 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.000 to college, I'm done watch. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:57.960 I'm mad. I gave up. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.360 I gave up after five seasons. I was like, I'm 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.600 not fucking dealing with this. We can't have one little 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:07.080 guy finished college. I'm done one little guy like and 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.400 then they just made everyone in the into bad, bad, 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.840 bad bad. But yeah, I don't know. I don't think 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:14.679 he talk like this little Carl. 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:16.080 I don't know. Whatever. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.439 We're starting out. We have a sassy babysitter. There's a 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.879 nose piercing and a feather earring. Her hair is crispy, 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.160 and the back we see some kids eating while she's 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.680 on her phone wishing she had a better job. Her 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.840 eyebrows are thin and she is smacking her gum so 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.440 and in the at the table in the back, there's 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.960 a little girl and boy and they're bickering like children do, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.879 and Irena is not having it, and she just like 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.600 gives the girl more milk. The milk spills. Fuck, what's 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.800 gonna happen? Everyone's running late. The mom comes in she 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:47.840 has to go to work, and then she's like, and 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.080 I'm gonna be late, and Irena goes, no, bitch, I 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.680 have plans and I have concert tickets. And the dad 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.960 comes in and then the mom goes to shower and 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.360 the little girl sucks and is like, Irena is texting, 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:01.880 so oh, no, one likes her, and then the dad 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.560 is also also says he can't be home and if 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.919 she can change her plans, and it's like, fuck. 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.040 No, Yeah, she gave you her a vail. 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.840 She cannot watch your dumb kids like I. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.520 But you know what I was actually I don't know 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.840 what the situation is with Arena, but I was talking 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.720 to my friend at camp over the weekend or the 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.679 week or whatever about OH pairs. If you have oh 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.320 pairs and your house, they have to work a certain 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:31.760 amount of hours, so sometimes you have to not that 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:33.560 this is fucked up. You should obviously let her go 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.280 to the concert. But I didn't realize that, like there's 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.760 like minimums where it's like you have to hit these hours. 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.159 What are you talking about? How would anyone know? Like 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:42.720 what do you what does that even mean? 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.640 I don't know. They were just telling me. They're like, yeah, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:45.520 you have to hit these hours. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.400 So, like their kids are in school for the day, 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.080 so they sometimes make them work on the weekends so 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.920 that they get like their free time is like during 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:53.480 the day, but then on the weekends they have to work. 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.320 Right nights they have to work. So maybe they're just 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.119 like sorry, girl, you gotta get your hours in. It 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.000 makes up these out. It's not like I don't know. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:03.280 I don't even think she's an no pair. I don't 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:04.760 think she lives with them. I was just it was 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:05.639 just came to my mind. 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.359 I don't know, but Irena does not seem like an 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.680 no pair. She is not teaching them any languages. She 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.919 is really pissed to be there. I would say she 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.600 is a woman after my own heart, Like she's not 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.640 happy here. She came to this country. She's probably trying 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.480 to get a visa going, and like she's figuring it out, 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.399 like does this is not her passion. She's not hanging 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.479 out from Ireland, you know, for an adventure. She is 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.399 trying to get the fuck out of this job, to 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.680 be honest, and these parents suck. I'm sorry. But he 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.360 kisses the kids and he runs away as fast as possible, 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.159 and the boy turns to his sister and goes Nobody 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:44.880 likes a snitch, And I'm with him. 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:45.560 I'm with him. 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.800 And I was listening to a different podcast with like 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.600 a friend of mine and she was as a teacher 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:53.560 and as a caregiver. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:55.960 Don't you hate the snitches too? 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:01.159 Like no snitch, no one that is a hattletail, Like, 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:03.680 you're not winning the hearts of the adults. 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:05.800 The adults now also think you're a loser. 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.639 So shout out to les culchursays with greta title man, because. 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.480 I agree with that. So the mom is walking out. 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:14.080 The door with the girl and the boys like, I 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:15.879 want dad to take me to school, and it's like, 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:16.800 well he's gone, babe. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.400 He doesn't like you, like they all don't. 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.640 Want to be with you. The sitter, your mom, your dad, 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.760 they all don't like you at all. So finally he's like, fine, 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.080 then mom will take me, and the little girl says, no, 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:28.720 that's not fair. 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:29.840 I want mom to take me. 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.440 You know she took you yesterday, and he flips out 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.080 nothing's ever fair, nothing has. 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:34.720 Ever for him. 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.399 So the mom is like fine, So they switch, so 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.440 IRENA's gonna take the daughter and then Henry we find 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.960 out as the boy, and the mom's gonna take him, 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:44.639 and then we also find out what. 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:46.040 Oh, no, I was just gonna say, do you know 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.840 this actress Hope Davis? 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.800 No, it's the mom. No, oh, I love to say 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:53.359 something about her. 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:57.240 Yes, yes, well people probably have seen her in Succession, 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:58.040 which I don't watch. 0:21:58.040 --> 0:21:59.880 But she was just in a bunch of episodes of Succession, 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:00.439 I guess. 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.840 But I watched her in this wild, fucking weird show 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:06.800 called Wayward Pines, and I really like her. 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.919 I think she's a great actress. She's been in a 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.080 lot of shit. I don't know. 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.359 She feels like a I can't I can't think of 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.159 like what other actress she reminds me of, but she 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.200 feels like she works a lot. She's like in Perry 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.560 Mason and like in all this kind of shit, like 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.120 a lot of prestige television. But anyway, I was wondering 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.840 if you knew her from anything because I remember her well. 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:29.840 No, and I think her care. I mean, I feel 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:31.800 bad for these people, I guess, but her care. I 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.160 was just so annoyed at their family unit. I didn't 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.640 look into them any further. I didn't even look at 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.360 what Carl's doing today. I don't even know his real name. 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:43.639 I keep calling him Carl, like I don't. I have 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:45.320 no idea, I have no idea. 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:50.560 Ethan Kotowski is this guy's name, okay, and is working 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:52.360 up to let's see Ethan. 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:53.080 Oh my god. 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:57.600 His picture on his IMDb is fashion he Shameless one 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.840 hundred and thirty four episodes and then he readid this, 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.720 and then he has only had a couple of credits 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.120 since then in twenty twenty two. 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.680 But he's got something coming out and coming up. I 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.560 don't know. Yeah, actually it seems like he has. He 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.280 doesn't have that many credits. Maybe he went to college. 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.960 I mean, Shameless is ten or eleven seasons, you know 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.040 what I mean? Like, yeah, maybe it's maybe it's good 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.000 to get a nice, healthy break so you don't end 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.359 up like I don't even know. 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:27.479 I'm not giving this simple. 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.199 The IMDb says he started doing ads when he was 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:32.080 four as a way for him and his mom to 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:32.960 spend time together. 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:37.040 Aa. That's cute. I love that. That is cute. 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:39.000 But the mom's like, there's a great way we could 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:40.800 spend time together where you make our family a lot 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:42.200 of money come. 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:47.080 Into this audition room. So anyways, this so this is 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:48.680 what that's we got a little. 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.840 Career corner moment, and now we're back. 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.960 The nanny Irena is going to take Ruby, the daughter 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:58.359 to school, and the mom is gonna take Henry to school, 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.439 and that is what happened. And then right when Irena 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:03.639 is gonna zip up the jacket, this little bitch has 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.359 to pee and Irena is mad. She's like, what the fuck, 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.680 I just put new tights on you, And the Mom's like, oh, 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.320 come on, she always does this. So the Henry and 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.560 Mom leave and IRENA's shaking her head and chewing her 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:15.320 gum as she sends Ruby to the bathroom. 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:16.879 But now we cut to Ruby. 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:18.719 She's in a medical office and she's talking about how 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:20.359 her head hurts and she has a bump and her 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.359 tummy hurts, and when the doctor picks up the shirt, 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.920 there is a huge bruise on her side, like giant, 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:29.879 giant bruise. And we cut straight to Tomorrow, who is 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.639 with his son, but the son doesn't know it. His 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.159 name is Gil, so it's a nephew. It's uncle Lamarro. 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.720 There's a lot of drama. Nothing's ever simple with Amorrow. 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:44.200 And he's talking to his nephew's slash sons class about 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:47.120 cop shit. So they ask if he's ever shot anybody. 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:48.840 We know the answer and it is yes, and he 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.240 will shoot a child. But here he goes, oh, you know, 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.800 I've just pulled my weapon. That's it. But we know 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.199 the truth, and he shows off his bulletproof vest and 0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:59.080 he like hits it like a little gorilla, and then 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.159 it's ring ring. He's got to ditch the lecture and 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.600 run back to work, and the nephew confirms that they're 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:05.639 still going to go to the Rangers game tomorrow night. 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.880 Plan is set. They will be watching hockey. Now. 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:12.040 Tomorrow enters the precinct and Benson asks how his son is, 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.200 and Tomorrow goes, well, he doesn't know he's my son, 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:18.359 but yeah, he's fine. So they're at the doctor's office now, 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.280 and the mom is there and the dad is coming 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:23.639 in from Hartford, which is wild. Usually people live in 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:26.000 Connecticut and come in for a job. So the fact 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:29.320 that he lives in Manhattan and goes to Connecticut for work, 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.920 I guess he's missing the traffic. He must be doing 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.600 something in insurance because Hartford used to be the insurance 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.200 capital of the country. 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.159 Like the insurance companies are, yeah, yeah, like a lot 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:43.080 of insurance companies are, like Base. It used to be 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:44.200 like a big insurance city. 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:46.760 And where do they all go now? I don't know. 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:49.360 My insurance company's out of Texas. 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.600 I think, well, we'll see what happens because you know, 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.320 my niece will be starting at your university soon. I know. 0:25:55.720 --> 0:26:00.000 Oh my god, oh my gosh, I need to find out. 0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:01.120 I leave immediately. 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.480 She we're in the time machine or whatever we're recording, 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.000 who knows, but she is leaving like tomorrow for school. 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.160 But what I like about that university is that they're 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:13.240 getting ten days before classes start, so they ask for 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:17.520 them to get there, and then classes don't start till 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:18.400 after labor Day. 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.640 Yeah, we did like a week, but ten days. It's great. Yeah, 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.639 maybe it's just a week or but that made nice. 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:24.760 That's really nice. 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.320 Yeah, because you get to like, yeah, you like meet people, 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:29.480 you go to parties and stuff. But tell her that 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:31.480 all the parties during that first week are kind of 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:33.080 like week and then they get better. 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:36.880 Well, yeah, no one knows each other. Yeah, and it's 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:40.040 not even the party on campus. Yeah, okay, cute. 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.160 Yeah, you got to text her and see what dor 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:44.920 she's Oh my god, I'm not going to right now, 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:48.880 I know. So, you know, she's holding an ice pack 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:51.159 to her head and lying to Benson about how she 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:53.840 just fell, and then she says that she was with 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:58.440 the monster and what did the monster do? Benson asks, 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.399 and the monster pushed her until to shut up, and 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.439 Benson nods, and then we just have credit time, so 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.320 you know, there's a lot going on. They're giving us 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.919 a lot, and we don't know who is this monster. 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:15.080 And also the monster was used, which is wild in 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:19.640 the episode what was that one called intent with Kevin 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:25.880 from Shameless? So both the Shameless episodes are calling characters monster. 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.240 So that's something that I just realized right here in 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.720 the moment Live. That's why you guys come here for 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:32.240 this post. 0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.600 That's what you pay the big bucks for this kind 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:35.919 of knowledge. 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.080 So the mom is like, what the fuck? Why are 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:40.119 the police here? We are good parents. We live on 0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:44.360 the Upper West Side, And Tomorrow's like, ellollo, okay, so 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.000 tell us about your morning, and she recaps the morning 0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:49.760 and Benson is interrupting and the mom is like what happened? 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:51.800 And she's like, why don't you tell us? And the 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.960 mom is like, you know, I don't really know. I left, 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.920 and Tomorrow asks why nobody wanted the nanny to take 0:27:57.960 --> 0:27:59.959 them to school and if there's any issues with the name, 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:02.919 and the mom explains she is a new nanny and 0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:05.520 the kids just want their mom. It's but also she 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.040 is illegal and does have communication issues. I fucking told 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.479 you she's here for a visa baby, she's not, you know, 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:15.359 learning English on her spare time, and so they're like, 0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.520 we need to talk to her. But she works for 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.080 another family in the building during the day while these. 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:20.879 Kids are at school. 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.320 Then we find out Ruby, the daughter, she is having 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.840 a lot of accidents, you know, peace situations, and we 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.399 know from watching SVU if you pee a lot, you 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:31.480 are being molested. 0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:32.440 So she. 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.440 But the mom is crazy, and the mom goes, okay, 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.320 but we're just gonna take her to piano lessons, and 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.520 Henry has swim and Benson's like, you cannot take her 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:46.400 to piano classes. She's clearly injured, she's clearly abused and traumatized. 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.040 She doesn't have to fucking play piano today. I just 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:50.880 hate these parents and it's really hard for me to 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:52.840 have sympathy for them for this whole episode. 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:57.120 But whatever, I hate the dad a lot. Oh, the 0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:01.080 dad is infuriating. I infuriating. 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:05.200 So then Benson of course is like, cancel the lesson 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.960 and someone needs to bring Henry here. So we're back 0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.640 with the feather earing illegal nanny, and Rollins is asking 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.640 her question, while a baby sits in a chair trap toy, 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:14.480 what are those called? 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:16.920 I call it an office? Wait, you mean like where 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:18.240 they stand up and they play. 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.080 Yeah, yeah, I like that. Yeah, the kids are in 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:26.920 the office doing their paperwork. Yeah. Irena says that Ruby 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.360 just fell down the stairs and she thought everything was fine, 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.400 and they're like, wait, come again, and she's like, listen. 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:34.280 The mom wents a shower, milk was spilled. 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.480 I sent Ruby to get new tights, and while I 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.680 went to the laundry room, I heard her crying. And 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:40.680 they're like, so you didn't see her fall halfway down 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:43.600 the stairs or anything. She goes no, But then they're 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:45.680 questioning why she didn't tell the mother, and she goes, 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:46.040 I don't know. 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:47.040 She said she was fine. 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:48.880 Like why am I going to involve this shitty mom 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.719 into all of this? So Rollins asks her where Henry 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:54.920 was during all of this, and they say that he 0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:59.320 was just sitting eating waffles, smiling, and you shouldn't be 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.360 smiling on your own. That's unless you see a cute puppy. 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.360 If you're just sitting eating a waffle smiling. 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:06.080 No independent smiling. 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.480 No no, no, no, no, no, no, something's wrong. I 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.400 actually I was sitting out on a patio yesterday and 0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.240 these two dogs came up and I go, oh, we're 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.480 about to get These are such cute little Pomeranians. 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.880 And it's like she knew. She came up to us 0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:21.240 and did a little show. 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.480 It's like so cool when you know that the puppy 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:28.120 knows about its power. And then when the puppy walked away, 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:30.480 it turned its head to be like bye girls, like 0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:36.240 it was a supermodel. Anyways, the mom walks in panicked, like, 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.440 oh my god, what is going on? Why are the 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.160 cops here? And this is the mom of this other 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:44.560 child that she's babysitting in the building, And her apartment 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.960 seems way shittier than the other families. So I think 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.160 Henry and Ruby's parents are in the penthouse and then 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.160 everyone else is just in like shitty apartments. It's so 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:58.480 much different, total different tax brackets and Finn and Rollins 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:00.640 and of course I know if I could live in 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.800 an apartment like that in New York City, I would 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:03.200 love it. 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:07.040 But yeah, it's just very stark difference. I would say. 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:09.920 Finn and Rollins introduced themselves and the mom grabs her 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.120 baby and is like, what the fuck, and they're just like, 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.960 this is just a routine matter. But the mom turns 0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.560 and glares at their illegal nanny, and you know, the 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:19.280 nanny is squirming uncomfortably. 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:20.600 She'd like to stay in the country. 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.320 And we're at the corkboard hour at the precinct and 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.120 the photos of the family are up on it and 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:28.720 they're just having a little brainstorming meeting. There's severe bruising 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.800 and a cracked rib and a monster So those are 0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:36.200 the clues, and the records show a bunch of old bruises, fractures, 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.560 four er visits in the last year. That's a concussion 0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.520 of finger pinched in a door, and two skull burns. 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:45.840 I don't even know if skull burn in. That doesn't 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.240 sound good. And then what do we know about the family? 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.480 Daddy Craigan asks, and we have a marrow with all 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:50.959 the scoop. 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:52.920 She's a VP at AMX. 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:57.480 Hello baby, I'm a customer and he's a systems engineer 0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:00.440 with Amtrak. Okay, so I don't know what he was 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:03.800 doing in fucking Hartford. Then no, but he's a systems engineer. 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:05.880 Maybe there was like he had to fix a train 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.920 or something, and I would like to say this might 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.600 be disgusting, but I love an Amtrak hot dog. 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:12.880 I really do. 0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:16.400 Interesting if I get to have an Amtrak hot dog, 0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.360 I'm in a good mood, like I really I really 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.800 enjoy that. And it is gross that you know that 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.959 they're steamed and they're little wet, but they're perfectly wet 0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.400 in a in a sick way. So anyways, this couple's 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:31.320 been married for fourteen years and Henry is ten years old. 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.480 Irena is from Soviet Georgia, bitch, and she's been working 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.440 for them for five months and that only accounts for 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:42.040 one of the er visits, so that evidence bodes well 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.320 for her, Like these injuries have been happening way before 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.480 her and the other mothering. 0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.840 With like why is Arena does she split with another family? 0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:51.480 Yeah, because these kids go to school, and I think 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.520 when the kids go to school, she goes to this 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.560 other family during the day with the baby and then 0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:57.520 picks the kids up. 0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.360 So it's like a perfect kind of Okay. 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.640 Because I was watching it, I was like, wait, why 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:02.680 is there another mom? 0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:05.320 Like Okay, so I got it. Yeah, is that so 0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:06.320 shocking to you? No? 0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:08.760 I just didn't figure it out and was like wanted 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:14.400 confirmation you're a fucking idiot. Okay, but so yeah, this 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.160 other mom who's kind of poor has no issues with her. 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.200 But also I am curious at everyone's job. I don't know. 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:24.640 I love everything. I want to know everything about everybody. 0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:27.600 Craigan wants to talk to you know, cause I used 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:28.880 to babysit in these areas. 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:29.480 I babysit. 0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:34.120 I got to Columbia professors, so I'm really I'm on 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:35.760 IRENA's side and all of this. 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:37.040 I used to do. 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:38.880 I used to Also, I was a babysitter on the 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:42.160 Upper West, Upper East all over Yeah, oh god. 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:47.760 The professor's apartments were so long and gorgeous and wooden 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.360 and sexy, and their kids were all like I remember, 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.400 these two kids did a breakdance competition in front of me, 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.520 and I'm like, wow, you guys have no shame, Like 0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:58.920 you know, you're really loved in this household. 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:02.920 Like well, think of lu Adela SEPs whose son breakdanced 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.040 on national television and they kept it in a teacher 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.680 who had had a teacher, a breakdancing teacher. 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:14.600 You're totally right, I just like loved I loved these kids. 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:16.600 The dad was an author and I read his books 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.279 and they were good, like it did feel cool doing 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.160 the professor's kid. And then the other Upper West Side 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:24.400 story I have, it was like a smaller apartment a 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:28.600 new family, but they were Orthodox Jews. But it's not 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:30.960 like they could tell me you're watching Jews today, you know, 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.920 as a backup nanny. So I had randoms and so 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.080 I brought shrimp fried Rice's my lunch and they made 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:39.360 me eat it outside in the hallway. 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:41.719 So that's, oh my god. 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:44.160 Yeah, so it's like, why don't you give me a 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.279 heads up if it's a kosher home. But also the 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.840 chance of me bringing shrimp into this kosher home was 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:49.759 pretty fucked up too. 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.319 But my baby sat on the Upper West Side for 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:58.400 a very well known director's daughter for her children, and 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.360 their apartment was just a full floor overlooking Central Park, 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:07.360 just the elevator opens, full floor, like huge, beautiful apartment. 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:11.799 They were, They were cool, and she didn't work. She 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:16.320 was just like my grandfather. My father is this massive director. 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:17.960 I'll tell you off who it is. 0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:19.800 But okay, back to the episode. 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:23.120 Back to the episode or babysitting memories are done. 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:24.759 No, JK. 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.319 I also babysat for a family up there. She taught 0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:33.840 music and piano at Colombia. Oh ooh, I know, but 0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:36.400 it's cool because the professors get those apartments. 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:40.480 Yeah, like a college gives her to them. Yeah. I 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:41.960 just think that's so cool. 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:44.880 Yeah, my aunt used to rent one of her apartments 0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:48.160 on the Upper West to Columbia because they will pay 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:51.040 anything for professors. 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:52.000 It's so badass. 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.680 Craigan wants to talk to the older brother, Henry, so 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:56.839 they're like, let's talk to Henry and see what's up. 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:58.280 Let's talk to neighbors. Teachers. 0:35:58.280 --> 0:35:59.919 Dorman like, we need to find out who the smile 0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:02.960 and who's hurting little Ruby. So we're at the child 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.760 Advocacy Center where Henry's explaining what happened. He was just eating. 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.799 He was just eating olives, no waffles. He's a child. 0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:10.480 It's breakfast. 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.399 He was eating waffles and just before he heard Ruby yell. 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:15.960 They ask where Irena was, and he looks down and 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.160 says he doesn't think he should talk about it. And 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.160 he says he went to the living room after he 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.200 heard his sister yell and saw Irena at the top 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.080 of the stairs, and Irena was trying to get Ruby's tights. 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.000 On and Ruby was cranky, and he pauses and keeps 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.520 looking down, and Benson's like, come on, you can tell us. 0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.680 And he's said that Irena made her mad face and 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:38.000 then pushed her down the stairs. Ernest, you pushed me 0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:42.840 down the stairs. Okay, that's just her. Some death becomes 0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:46.719 her stands. Amara was like, I really really want to 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.040 do live shows where we just watch other movies and 0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:52.880 we do Mystery Science three thousand theater. Would you guys come, 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.520 Would you guys come instead of us recapping us to you, 0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:58.320 would you watch us recap movies? 0:36:58.600 --> 0:36:59.920 I don't know, I know what's funny. As I was 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:03.160 just listening to Bitch sessh. I don't really listen anymore 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.040 because they moved behind a paywall. But they released an 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.799 episode where they talked about how the night before they 0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:09.920 had wanted to just watch a bunch of scenes of 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.600 Beverly Hills, like the dinner party from Hell with the Psychic, 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.479 like all this stuff, and they were four minutes into 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.560 it and they kept getting shut down because they were 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.560 streaming through YouTube, and YouTube could tell that they were 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:24.320 showing copyrighted content, and I was like, oh my god, 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.560 we wanted to do that originally for our live shows, 0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:31.120 and we like someone was like, that's too too hard 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:35.120 with copyright stuff, but it would be fun us watching. 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:36.319 Well, because I used to do that. 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.000 There used to be a show in Chicago Clued Once 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:40.840 upon a Lifetime, Yeah, and we would like watch those movies. 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.680 I watched the one with Tory Spelling that was a 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.839 cheerleader or a killer dead or she was. 0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.120 The murder the one where that's called mother, May I 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:49.000 Sleep with Danger? 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.040 Is that? But she was a cheerleader in it right. 0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:54.600 Well, there's I don't know, I don't remember, but there's 0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.440 one where she has like a boyfriend who's like just 0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:01.200 increasingly becomes like abusive, and the mom is like, something's 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:02.719 up with him, and she's like, mom, shut up, you 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.759 just won't let me be in love. And like it's 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:07.359 like the guy is psycho and like tries to kill her. 0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.319 Oh my god, I can't have you, no one, can 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.560 you know the Yush classic. Amaro's like you sure it 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:16.000 wasn't an accident and he goes no, because Irena told 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:18.479 Ruby to shut up and pushed her, and he says, 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.960 saying shut up is not nice, and then he ran 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:23.040 back to the table and Irena came in and got 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.799 ice and she's like please, and he goes, please, don't 0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:28.040 tell my mom. My dad gets mad every time we 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.120 have to change nanny's and pip Ackox is there, Hello, 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:32.000 friend of the pod. 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:33.280 Hi, Pips. 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.160 So Craigan and her are watching the conversation and they 0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.239 believe that this is credible. This boy is credible, and 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.200 we need to go get Irena and we don't need 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.719 another bad nanny headline is what Pippa says. We go 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.200 to the residence of Adam Burke, who's also a comedian 0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:52.080 in Chicago that I know, but hopefully not the same. 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:53.880 And he's holding a fluffy Adam too. 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.440 Yeah, And he's holding a fluffy little dog and his 0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.200 son Toby plays with Henry and then nanny walks him down. 0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.279 And then but when they ask about the nanny, he 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.680 goes which one? They go through, so many nannies. And 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.000 at this point little Toby walks into frame to complain 0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.760 about his Xbox not working, and the dad asked Toby 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.000 if he knows the nanny's name, and he goes, yeah, Rina, 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:14.240 she's always texting. 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.319 We hate her, and it's like okay, And then. 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.680 Upstairs you want your nanny to fucking text and not 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:21.879 bother you, like, let you go do whatever. 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:22.520 And like just text. 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.799 No, no, no, no, she is on her phone all 0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.600 day and not watching the children. Right. But if you're 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:31.600 the kid, Oh yes, I thought you meant the parents, 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:33.040 I'm like, no, she's not texting them. 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:33.520 No. 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:33.640 No. 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.399 If you're like a kid, aren't you just like, yeah, 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:36.560 my nanny's fucking texting. 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.920 Who cares? I don't know because some well. 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:44.960 This episode is called born Psychopath, but I maybe set 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:46.839 for boy, like if the boy, if the kids want 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:49.879 attention from you, But also some kids are just tattletales 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.799 and love rules, like I think we know a kid 0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.359 that would tell I think we know a kid who 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:56.319 would not be happy if the. 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.520 Race is not necessari sure you know what I mean. 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:00.680 It'd be like I mean I had a kid once, say, 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:02.799 my mom says you eat too many bananas and you 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.479 don't work hard in that Oh yes, you've told me that, And. 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:06.799 It's like I'm watching your kids. 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.080 I can't have one of your bananas, your piece of shit, 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:14.640 they're twenty cents, Like, let me fucking have a banana. 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:16.480 Your kids sucks? Okay, so. 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:19.480 Is that merch? 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.480 But I mean, if I've already said the story in 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:26.680 the pod, who cares No? Like these kids, these two boys, 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:29.520 they were assigned chores. And I never grew up with chores, 0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:31.759 like I think kids should just be free, so I 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:32.520 would volunteer. 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:34.920 I was like, you guys, go play, go have fun. 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:38.160 I'll put the dishes away, and the older kid would go, no, 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:41.799 that is my brother's chores. You can't do it, Like 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.480 he would get mad that I was doing their chores, 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.200 you know. Or if I said let's play outside or 0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:48.400 you could do it, they're like, we have to do 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:52.239 our homework. Like they loved rules. It was weird, and 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:54.640 they wouldn't share. They would sell toys to each other. 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:56.400 And once you sold your toy or your sibling, you 0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:59.640 couldn't play with it anymore. These were fucked up. This 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.680 was as that's a capitalist society, that's a capitalist household. 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:05.440 Oh yeah, and they're like you had burn it. 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.000 This kid begged for a guitar, got a guitar, and 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:10.480 then when he would get in trouble, they would take 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:14.360 the guitar away from him, and it's like that's stupid, 0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:16.840 Like that's an art you have to practice, like you 0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:18.840 need to teach a kid how to practice the guitar, 0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:22.520 you know, yeah, you don't take it away from I 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:24.960 just hated them. And at the end, the boys said, 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:26.840 you're the worst babysitter we've ever had at the end 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:28.239 of the school year, and I said, you're the worst 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.040 kids I've ever baby sat. And he was taken aback 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.520 and I go, yeah, I did not enjoy you guys 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:37.279 at all. You said, bye, school's done, have fun with 0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.560 your fucked up parents in this fucked up apartment. And 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:42.960 like they wouldn't even want to play outside. They'd be like, 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:49.080 we're dehydrated. I'm like, you're disgusting. You're the future play outside? 0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.399 And how old are those kids now? Probably like eighteen, Yeah, 0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:53.560 they're definitely probably grown. 0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:54.839 Yeah, I wonder where they are. 0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:56.719 Like I babysat kids in New York that are like 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.080 fully in college now, Like it's crazy. 0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.359 I mean there's a couple kids where I really loved 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.200 them and I wish I knew where they were. But 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:09.680 these kids, I'm like, you're you're probably I can't. 0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:11.360 There are probably kids. 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.320 Who are who don't believe in free lunch at school, 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.920 you know what I mean, why should my family have 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:17.919 to pay for your bad lifestyle. 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.919 I can't, but you can always tell. 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.520 Like I rarely had a kid that was shitty, and 0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.919 I was like your parents rule. You know, like if 0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:28.640 I had a kid that was like had a behavior problem, 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:30.839 it's because like their mom or their dad was like 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:35.319 oozing like neuroses and was like so high strung or 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.520 like something was up with the parents. You know, like 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:42.560 I could always in my in my experience, absolutely you 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:43.040 could tell. 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:46.520 No, it is really wild to be in people's homes 0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:48.520 and they're just trusting you, and it's like you don't 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:49.080 even know me. 0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:50.480 It's wild. 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.960 I'm with your five year old or fore month, like 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:56.960 what because I I ah, whatever. 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:57.120 So I know. 0:42:57.239 --> 0:42:59.200 I met I baby stuff for this little girl who 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.680 I loved so much, and her family was great, her 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.040 parents were great. But I met them at a Starbucks 0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:06.960 and they were just like they just like let me 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.439 pick up the baby. She was like nine months old, 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.319 and they were just like, yeah, we can just tell 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:12.799 the way you are with her like that you're good. 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:14.680 So when can you start? And we were like okay. 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:20.319 I was like okay, let's go. They found me on craigslist, 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:22.480 like I got laid off of a job, and I 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:25.040 just put myself on Craigslist and said, I'm a fucking 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:29.040 summer camp counselor with a with CPR training and I'm 0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:31.640 one of six kids, and like come get me or whatever. 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:32.920 And that's how I found them. 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:34.360 And I met them at a Starbucks, picked up their 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:37.000 baby and they were like, this is it, Kara. 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:38.799 Did you hear about the case I think in the 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.120 UK where a nurse was killing babies. 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:45.000 My my Jared just told me about that. I haven't 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.320 looked into it, but he said, like, glorify it's the 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.000 nurse of death, but for killing babies. 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:55.560 Like a neonatal nurse. What why? Yeah? 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.600 I mean when when it was Jane Jane Krakowski doing it, 0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:00.640 we knew it was because her mother, uh you know, 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:01.680 was never there for her. 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:06.560 But yes, but when we like when it's older, yeah, 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:10.160 when it's just not that humans are worth less than babies, 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:15.360 like we're all important, but the baby thing makes it sicker. 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:17.640 I'm sorry, Like, I you know, we covered a case 0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.760 where it was a VFW hospital, which is upsetting of course, 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:24.520 but you're murdering babies and just thinking about these parents, 0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:27.080 it's just it's really upsetting. 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:29.480 Horrible, Oh my god, do you know what I googled 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:33.319 last night just because I was I was watching this 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.760 episode and I was thinking of nanny's and like, kids, 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:39.120 do you remember were you in New York in twenty twelve? No, 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:42.760 that was way before your time, right, a few years before. Yeah, 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.600 this nanny killed these two kids like five blocks from 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.000 where I lived, like on the Upper West Side. I 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:50.400 remember talking to Michelle Collins about it. We were like 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.560 beside ourselves, like it like shook the city because it 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.600 was like this nanny just went fucking crazy and killed 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:58.000 like a two year old and a six year old 0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.000 that she took care of. And the mom just came 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:02.839 home and found with the third kid and found her 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.160 two kids, like killed by the nanny. I mean, the 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:08.239 woman is in life in life, in prison. But she 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.760 tried to say that she heard voices and was having 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:13.640 like a psychotic break, and then other psychiatrists were on 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.760 the stand saying no, she didn't, like she was upset 0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:20.200 about her workload and her work schedule, very much like Arena, 0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:25.879 and she like went off. But it's just ugh, it's 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.120 like the most horrible Well I get I don't know 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:30.279 where this is. But while I was talking about this 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:34.200 baby murder case. There was also like a woman who 0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:36.399 kept asking for a sea section and they wouldn't give 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:39.400 it to her, and they decapitated her baby, and they 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.880 wouldn't like them for four days. For four days, this 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:45.959 couple didn't know their baby died. The doctors killed decapitated 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.080 their child and did not tell the parents for four days. 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:50.720 Oh what the fuck? 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:54.560 So horrible, And I bet all these doctors nothing will 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.000 happen to them, all these nothing will happen to them. 0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.760 Yeah, and they showed them the baby in a way 0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:02.000 that like didn't show that the baby was to get 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.200 Like I think they like showed them the baby to 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:07.000 be like okay, here's the baby. It's it didn't make it, 0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:09.640 but like didn't show them that the baby was like decapitated, 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:11.839 like horrible, and she. 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:13.880 Was begging for a sea they wouldn't give it to her. 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.520 You killed their fucking baby. Like I just this is 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:19.279 this episode's hard enough. And I don't know why I 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.120 keep bringing up all these baby murderers, but like, oh fuck, 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:26.480 fuck these doctors, and I wanna I want to keep 0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:30.040 close tabs on that case to find out what happens, 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:32.440 because I these doctors are so protected. 0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:33.640 They're so protected. 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:37.360 Yeah, we've covered the cases about the molestation and the 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.600 boards and that they just it's really upsetting. Listen, we 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:42.760 got to get back to this episode. I'm so sorry 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:45.520 all these dead baby aside. We're doing a lot of asides. 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:47.719 We are, but we haven't seen each other in a 0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:50.200 really long time, so it's kind of we're. 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:51.879 Just gonna get a jump on one this week, guys. 0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:54.120 Sorry about it up. 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.719 Sarahs Benson is going through Ruby's room and finds the 0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.080 milk tights drying, and the mom is like, fuck, this 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.960 is a nightmare. She had references in everything, and it's like, 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.440 is anyone using references or are you all giving your 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:06.600 best friend's phone number. I've never used a real reference, 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:07.399 and my goddamn luck. 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:11.000 Literally two minutes ago, when we took a minute break 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.319 on this podcast, I texted a girl I've never met 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.400 and said, are you free Saturday to watch my kids? 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:19.399 Because because I got her from a trusted babysitter, she's 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:20.239 a friend of her. 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.440 So I'm like, where are you going on Saturday? I 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:23.839 don't know. 0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:26.200 I just wanted to get a babysitter and do something. 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:32.120 Let's do something, So did you, so, Benson asked if 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.239 she knew any of the references, and I thought about 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.279 you immediately, She goes, nope, I found it on the 0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:37.480 mom groups on the internet. 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:39.440 I thought about myself immediately. 0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:43.080 Yeah, yeah, And Benson's like, okay, well, can we get 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:45.440 a hold of these people. So now we have the 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.480 Dad and he's talking upstairs with Themorrow and he's going 0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:50.880 through a different room in the house, buzz buzz, and 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.279 Daddy goes to answer the cell phone and Tomorrow sees 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:56.120 something that catches his eye and it's a little babylock 0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:58.640 and then a brown box covered with rubber bands, and 0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.360 inside of it is a little bad boy kit, you know, 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:04.359 a box of matches, but the red part and the 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:06.799 stick part are separated, and the red part's in a 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:10.000 separate altoid looking box. This is not good, I guess 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:13.640 separating match pieces is a red flag. And Irena is 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:15.960 in a cell bar cement room and she is stressed 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.480 out and Finn is going at her while Roland's paces 0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:21.680 behind her and she's gripping her hair like what the fuck, 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.080 and she's denying all of it, and she's saying and 0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:26.319 like I was in the laundry room. 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:26.880 They go. 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:30.560 Henry said that he saw you push Ruby down the stairs, 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:32.480 and she goes. He said that to you, he is 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:35.759 a mean little boy. Ruby calls him the monster ding 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:38.279 ding ding ding. Okay, so now the monster thing is 0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:41.800 coming back, and Ruby's playing a keyboard right above the stairs, 0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:44.800 and this house looks so dangerous. So it's like glass 0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.839 banister vibe and this house is not kidproof at all. 0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:52.359 A picture just was circulating about Carol of Carol Radzivill's 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:55.319 apartment in New York. That was just stairs coming out 0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:57.799 of the wall with no banister at all, and that 0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:00.000 was like Carol was wild for this one. 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:03.160 It was reminding me so great wild. 0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:06.880 I want to be fully protected on any stairs. I 0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:09.520 want full protection walls. I want to be caved in. 0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.399 I want it soft, like I make it a nine 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.680 closed slide that I can just go down. 0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:15.200 Like. 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:18.280 Yeah, I don't need fashion stairs. I don't need highly 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:20.440 architectured stairs. I don't need glass. 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:20.919 I don't. 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:25.360 It's really bonkers to me, especially with kids. But Henry's 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.839 watching her play the keyboard and he's playing video game, 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:31.759 like a handheld video game thing, and the mom is 0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:33.800 which I'm thing of getting I want to get a twitch, 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:36.319 a switch. I want to get a switch. I heard 0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:38.720 you can play, you know, like Mario on the plane. 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:40.200 Oh yeah. 0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:43.160 The mom is downstairs looking up, telling them it's almost bedtime, 0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:45.240 and Amaro walks in to join the mom and Benson 0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:48.360 and asks what games Henry and Ruby play together? 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:49.400 Like Monster? 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:51.719 And the mom goes, oh, yeah, sometimes, and then he 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.120 pushes does he resent his little sister? And she's like, oh, 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:57.439 big time. Even the school said something. But she asked 0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.239 if Henry did this and he said no, and he 0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:02.279 cried and he blamed, and Benson goes, but isn't your 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:05.279 son a liar like all of the other injuries. He 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:08.160 was home, wasn't he? And she's breathing more rushed and 0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:10.919 starts blabbering about the finger in the door incident, and 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:13.520 Henry was in his room smiling, just like he was 0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:16.880 at the kitchen table. So Benson slowly goes, is it 0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:19.880 possible that Henry pushed her down the stairs? And the 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.040 mom goes, oh god, I mean even if he did, 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:24.200 he didn't mean to. He's just having a hard time, 0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:26.760 you know, like he doesn't remember that he can actually 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.359 hurt people. And they look up and he's staring at 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.840 them through the glass, looking like psycho as fucking hell, and. 0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:33.360 It is funny. 0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:37.560 It reminds me of Bart Simpson in the episode with 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:40.279 the pool. I don't remember what it's called, but it is. 0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:44.200 I think it's the season premiere of season six. Okay, 0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:49.560 so now we gotta but I don't but I don't know, 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:51.920 I don't know, I don't know. I'm not sure, but 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:55.440 there's like a weird pool whatever. 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:56.880 Bart looks creepy. 0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.719 So now we got to talk to him with a 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.800 pair of present and he's a great little actor. 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:04.080 He looks crazed as. 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.279 Hell, but not answering Tomorrow and the mom is like, 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:08.279 just tell him what happened with Ruby, and he's like, 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:11.200 you think I'm a liar? And Tomorrow looks stunned and 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.440 sighs and goes, well, maybe you were scared you'd get 0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:16.759 in trouble, but we know that you lied, and Henry 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:19.160 clocks the camera goes, oh, you're recording this, and they 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:20.800 go yeah, for sure, so you don't have to answer 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:23.960 the same questions again and again. And he says that 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:26.040 she stopped crying and it didn't hurt her, So what's 0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:26.600 the big deal. 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:27.920 Yeah, I pushed her down the stairs. 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:31.160 Shees fine, and his reasoning is she stopped crying when 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:33.520 Irena came over, so it must have not hurt that much. 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.240 And then we hear little Ruby's voice said, Henry spilled 0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:40.319 my milk and blamed me, and over his sociopath face. 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:42.680 We follow the voice to a more cozy room where 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:45.480 Benson is with Rollins and the dad, and she continues 0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:48.359 that Irena sent her upstairs to change her tights. When 0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:51.000 she came back, he was hiding and popped out, screamed 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:52.320 boo really. 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:53.279 Loud, and then pushed her. 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:54.719 And the dad is like, well, maybe he was just 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:58.680 playing monster, and Ruby's like, no, motherfucker, because this time 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.400 he had his arm out. It was like in her face, 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:05.120 so he like pushed her using her face. And it 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:07.600 cuts to Henry and he's like, whatever, it wasn't that hard. 0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:09.560 It was just the jostle. And it's like, what child 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:13.040 knows the word jostle. I'm just a jostel, Like, that's 0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:16.920 not a chill word. Amaro's like, why did you jostle 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:18.880 at her? Because you were mad at Ruby? He goes, no, 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:21.319 I just don't like her. In fact, I hate her, 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:23.400 and the mom is like, Henry, don't say that, and 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:24.880 he's like, what you want me to lie? 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:26.439 And he says, I wasn't mad. 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:28.319 It was an experiment and wanted to see if she 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.799 would roll all the way down or stop, and she did. 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:32.680 She rolled most of the way head over legs on 0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:35.120 an angle, so she hit the landing and stopped, and 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:38.720 Tomorrow and the mom make eye contact like and Benson 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:41.040 asked Ruby if he's hurt her before, and that is 0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:44.479 a yes. Ruby then wants to stop the conversation because 0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:47.120 she doesn't want him to be in trouble. So she 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:49.480 really loves her brother and that is cute, but he 0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:50.160 is crazy. 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:51.600 She also has a red. 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.719 Little plastic bow headband that I am jealous of. And 0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:58.160 then the giraffe behind her in this giant like state 0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:01.680 funded room. It's like the from Fao Schwartz. How did 0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:05.200 the department afford that? Was it a toy drive? That 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:08.880 is an expensive giraffe? I know that giraffe, Benson, I 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:12.239 makeup also looks incredible. So Ruby and Tomorrow go to 0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:14.640 play with puzzles and Benson and the dad turned to 0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:17.000 talk and he says the school guidance counselor told the 0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:19.240 parents to leave the kids alone and let them handle 0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:23.160 it on their own and not intervene, because that means 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:27.279 they would be rewarding Henry with attention for being bad. So, yeah, 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:29.120 I guess keep letting him beat the shit out of 0:53:29.120 --> 0:53:34.320 your fucking daughter. Benson explains, your kid is full of rage. 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:36.480 So the dad says, I was full of rage as well, 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:38.480 but then I got into trains and I was fine, 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.200 and Henry just needs to find his thing. And it's 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:43.400 like he did find his thing, and it's hurting your daughter. 0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:46.479 So we head to the school hopefully to try and 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:49.080 you know, fire this guidance counselor who gave the advice 0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:52.160 to ignore it. She's a redhead with glasses with a 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:55.080 patterned collar shirt and a vest, and she's like, like, 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:57.680 she looks like she loves a renaissance fair, you know 0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:01.840 what I mean. So she's like, oh, Henry definitely has issues. 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.520 But she goes, it's not really straight cut, it's not OCD, 0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:08.640 it's not oppositional defiant disorder, it's not add and Rollins goes, 0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:09.680 are you a psychologist? 0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:10.600 She is not. 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:12.400 She's in school to be one, but she does have 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:14.960 a master's not good enough, and it's a school that's 0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:17.799 open minded, hippie dippy vibes, and Finn and Rollins are 0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:20.440 just not into it. They ask how Henry is doing 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:23.839 in school, and she thinks some days like we turn 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:25.719 a corner, but then he'll always just kind of throw 0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:28.319 a desk the next day. But she says that he's 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:32.160 really smart and he's just testing us. Rollin slowly approaches 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.319 closer and then sits down and leans very in and goes, okay, well, 0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:37.600 have you had him test it, like by a professional? 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.040 And she says that the parents are worried about him 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:43.440 being labeled he is physically. 0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:44.760 Abusing your daughter. 0:54:45.480 --> 0:54:48.520 Yeah, this is like the Upper west Side Duggert family, 0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:52.560 Like you cannot ignore your son's issues because you're scared 0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:56.320 of for his future when he is physically assaulting your daughter. 0:54:56.719 --> 0:54:58.560 And I wonder if they would think the same if 0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:01.200 it was an older daughter of abusing a younger boy. 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:03.800 I wonder if it's like gendered a little bit too. 0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:06.960 Like oh, he's just being a boy, you know, like 0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:08.440 let him do his thing. 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.680 They're just fighting like siblings. No, I mean not to 0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:16.880 get to but yes, this is it. We always prioritize 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:21.160 men's feelings, men's futures, men's career, men's reputation over the 0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:26.080 true safety of children, women girls all the time. Like 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:29.879 it's really appalling, and this episode does such a great 0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:33.239 job of making me flip out with anger. But the 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.640 school's only until fifth grade, and middle schools are so competitive, 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.720 so they don't want him to be labeled with issues 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:43.000 and not get into middle school. So they're just gonna 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:45.600 let him throw their daughter down the stairs so Henry 0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:49.040 can get into a good school. Rollins asks about the 0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:50.839 meds and what meds, and they're like, we've tried all 0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:51.200 the meds. 0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:52.480 We can't find the right convo. 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:54.880 And Finn asks if he has hurt kids in school, 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:58.120 and she goes, yeah, of course, but he knows it's unacceptable. 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.759 He is so smart, he's just bored, and they just 0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:02.480 keep finding loopholes for him. 0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:04.440 But he's violent. 0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:07.160 So now we have Pippa, who's always on the wrong 0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:09.279 side of history, no matter how much we love her. 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:11.520 So she says, if this kid is that bad, there 0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:13.759 would be a paper trail, and there's not a paper trail, 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:16.000 so there's nothing we can do, and Finn goes, oh, 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:17.960 trust if he lived in the projects, there would be 0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:20.399 a fucking you know, he'd be in the system by now. 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:24.080 Also, is the daughter's hospital record not a paper trail? 0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:27.000 Like sh doesn't give a bunch of VR visits, Like 0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:28.000 that's a paper trail. 0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:33.080 Amazing point, Kara, and so Rollins jumps in and she goes, oh, 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:36.840 he has his guidance counselor snode and they're not testing 0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:39.320 him and just playing around with meds. And Amoro defends 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.600 the parents for not doing anything. He's like, I mean, 0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:44.920 a diagnosis stays on your record, and Benson goes, whatever, 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:47.000 I mean. Henry needs help, so we need to figure 0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:49.160 out a way to get him help. PIPA's like, okay, 0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:51.680 when you were there, how was it any signs of 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:55.719 neglect abuse? And they say no, because there's organic food 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.080 and the sun gets attention. So Pipa goes, great, so 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:00.960 the home is the best place for Henry's not having it. 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:02.719 She's like, because the home is neat, we should all 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:06.120 pretend this was an accident. She acts out the straight 0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:08.760 arm move to Pipa and yells Ruby said he straight 0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:11.239 armed her. And she's like, what, we're gonna pick up 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:15.359 every brig brother that hurts his sister. Yes, how about that? 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:18.360 How about we finally protect young girls for once in 0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:22.360 their goddamn like history of the world. He's ten, she's five. 0:57:22.640 --> 0:57:25.400 I'm sure you know the We're gonna get three different 0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:27.360 versions of events like it is wild. I think we 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.040 just love the actress so much, and we love Jessica, 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:31.200 but Pipa does suck. 0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:35.400 Well, she's always on the wrong side. I think Pipa 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:37.720 grows a little bit like later. 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:39.440 She's just such. 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:43.280 She's like a defense attorney working for the state. It's weird. 0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:47.160 Yeah, well, somebody has to go against the squad, right, 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:47.800 so that's like. 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:50.920 What her But yeah, isn't it about protecting But I 0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:53.240 just don't understand why it's not about protecting Ruby and 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:54.880 why it's protecting Henry. 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:56.840 Oh for sure, for sure. Just in like the. 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:01.360 Show Realm, I feel like her role is usually to 0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:03.080 be like, well, I don't know about that. 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.840 And then they have to like go against her, you know. Yeah, 0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:09.640 she's like the beady Wong but opposite. So Daddy Greg 0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:13.600 Craigan walks in to stop the cat fight and he's like, Pipa, 0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:15.880 so we can't charge the kid, And she says I'm 0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:18.120 not going to and if you think a juvenile detention 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:21.640 facility will help turn things around, And before she can finish, 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:23.840 fin Ins rupts and is like, okay, they don't want 0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:25.520 him to have a record, but what if we tell 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:28.720 them that the DA might let this slide if Henry 0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:30.800 sees a shrink And Pippa is down for that, and 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:32.720 Benson nods as well. So that's what we're gonna do. 0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:35.120 But tomorrow has to run to go to the hockey game. 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:37.520 He arrives at the home of his son's mother and 0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:39.680 she's like, shut up, you agree to be uncle Nick, 0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:40.880 my brother's friend. 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:41.480 Deal with it. 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:43.800 He's like, I know, but I hate lying to him 0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:45.400 and he has a half sister and I want him 0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:47.520 to know her. And she's like, what you want to 0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:50.720 just pop out of nowhere and tell him it's too much? 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:51.960 And how will he? 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:53.959 Like? How do we know you're not going to disappear again? 0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:56.800 And he goes, I'm not going anywhere, and then we 0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:58.960 have little Gil run down. He's in a jersey, he's 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:01.320 so cute. He's like so excited to go to the game. 0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:04.360 Thanks for that storyline. We could care less. And now 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:07.840 we're back to the Upper West Side, and the dad 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:11.720 is pissed and is like a psychiatrist, Hell no, he 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:14.320 doesn't want his kid to turn into a drug addicted robot. 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:17.080 He'd rather him be a full blown serial killer. And 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:19.240 then the wife is like, yeah, he gained weight, so 0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:21.920 we just don't want him on any medication. It's like 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:25.680 your daughter had a broken finger. They're like, he was 0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:28.640 just puffy and blank, so we just don't want to 0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:30.480 do that. And he's like, you don't know him, and 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:32.680 we do, so you need to leave, and the mom says, 0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.720 we have all the books on defiant kids. Benson now 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:38.360 speaks very slowly and Rollins walks away because she is 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.200 too stressed by these people. And Benson has to slowly 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:46.760 and exaggeratedly let them know your daughter is not safe. 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:48.760 They're like, don't worry, we locked up all the knives 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:50.880 and she he'll never be alone with Ruby again, and 0:59:50.960 --> 0:59:53.120 Benson asks like, how can you be sure, and the 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:55.280 mom says, she took a leave of absence for work 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:57.880 and she will be present. Rollins goes, okay, well, I 0:59:57.880 --> 0:59:59.840 don't think the DA is going to let this slide then, 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:02.120 and they're all like, well, she'll have to because my 1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:04.320 friend's a lawyer and said, if you bring up charges, 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:07.200 we're going to sue the city for free. And he's 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:10.760 so smug and Benson goes, you don't understand, and he goes, oh, 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:13.040 I know, and the mom is like, we will take 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:15.480 care of him. So the mom enters Henry's room and 1:00:15.520 --> 1:00:17.720 he asks are they gone yet? And she says yes, 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:19.800 and he says I never want to see the cops 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:22.520 here again, and she goes, well, that's all up to you, Henry. 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:24.960 Don't be a little socio and then the cops won't 1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:29.240 be here. Your behavior sucks. Just use your words, and 1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:31.520 he says I'm sorry, mommy, and she's like, I know, 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:33.200 my little innocent baby. 1:00:33.400 --> 1:00:35.480 Why don't you just go to sleep? He says, I'm 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:36.080 not tired. 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:38.479 He is saying he doesn't want to go to bed, 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:40.360 and classic mom is like, well, you have to go 1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:43.560 to bed. So Henry takes a knife from under his 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:46.680 pillow and says no, and the mom is stern and says, 1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:49.280 give me back the knife right now, puts her hand out. 1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:51.440 He cuts her hand and she deserves it and I 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:54.240 don't feel bad for you. So the mom is bleeding 1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:56.440 and she takes the knife and runs off, and Henry's 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:59.320 face gives no emotions. So she's at the hospital with 1:00:59.400 --> 1:01:01.720 her hand wrap. Benson runs in. The mong goes, it's 1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:04.640 my fault. I reached for the knife. Benson says, how 1:01:04.680 --> 1:01:07.040 did you even get here? This is not a police matter, 1:01:07.080 --> 1:01:10.520 and she's like, well, your neighbor's called really involved neighbors. 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:13.160 This it's a whole. It looked like a penthouse. I 1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:15.240 don't even know how the neighbors. It was a really 1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:20.120 quiet cut, Like I don't that this is a plot 1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:22.960 hole for me. So she keeps saying she's fine, and 1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:26.080 Henry's upset he did it, and she's still being delusional. 1:01:26.600 --> 1:01:30.400 Rollin's and Daddy and Henry are in the kitchen and 1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:33.200 the dad is not feeling so smug anymore, are you? 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:36.400 So they ask where he got the knife and he's like, Dad, 1:01:36.440 --> 1:01:38.800 I know where you keep the key, Like duh, I'm 1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:41.520 an evil mastermind. He then plays it like he's the 1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:43.680 victim and nobody listens to him and no one ever 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:47.080 does what he wants, and Rollin says, I'm listening to you, Henry, 1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:50.560 and Henry goes it was her fault. The dad finally 1:01:50.560 --> 1:01:53.479 flips out on and it's full rage, and he goes, 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:55.440 you were angry, you wanted to hurt her. 1:01:55.560 --> 1:01:56.600 Stop lying. 1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:59.080 He says no, it was her fault, and the dad 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:01.400 isn't like in his screaming at the sun. 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:02.840 He starts yelling back. 1:02:02.920 --> 1:02:06.040 The dad grips him and holds him, and Ruby walks 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:08.439 in and goes, where's mommy, and Rollins is like, hey, 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:10.680 while you go tuck your daughter back into bed and 1:02:10.680 --> 1:02:13.200 I'll stay here with your little demon son. And the 1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:15.520 dad is worried, and Rollin's goes, don't worry. I mean 1:02:15.560 --> 1:02:17.120 I am a cop and I do have a gun. 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:19.240 So she turns to him and asks if he wants 1:02:19.280 --> 1:02:22.640 to talk, and you know, baby Henry, he just wants 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:25.280 one thing. Can I hold your gun? And she goes, 1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:27.200 do you think that's a good idea? And he says 1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:30.880 I've never held a gun before, and then classic, you're 1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:33.840 really pretty. He stands up, walks to the fridge to 1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:37.080 get strawberries, and Rollins is sickened by this kid, and 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:40.520 he eats the strawberries really slowly and creepily, and the 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:42.640 mom is now spilling to Benson, I thought I could 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:44.760 help him, and if I loved him and hugged him 1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:47.280 enough he would like me, but he's not, and he's 1:02:47.320 --> 1:02:49.760 getting worse and he's so broken and I can't fix him. 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:51.479 And I tell him I love him, but he never 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:53.840 says I love you back. And Benson's like, well, we 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:56.360 can help your family and get Henry evaluated and give 1:02:56.400 --> 1:02:59.480 him treatment options. And the mom says, most days I 1:02:59.560 --> 1:03:00.920 just feel like I'm in combat. 1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:04.720 And it's like you could have admitted this days ago. Yeah. 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:06.840 She says that he tells her, Mommy, you hate me, 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:08.960 and she does hate him at times, and she feels 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:12.360 bad that she hates her own son. And finally we 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:19.160 get Beadi Wong flew in from Oklahome so Ori a little. 1:03:19.000 --> 1:03:21.280 Bit of a Long Hair. That song is copy written, 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:24.840 Please don't sing that on the podcast. He's got like 1:03:24.960 --> 1:03:27.160 sort of long hair, doesn't he. 1:03:27.160 --> 1:03:30.919 He reminds me of Old Country for no Old Men, 1:03:31.080 --> 1:03:32.880 that haircut with Javier Gardak. 1:03:34.280 --> 1:03:36.960 What did I say, Old Country for old Men? I 1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:41.840 think something like that good movie, good movie. 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:46.880 But so yeah, so Beatty Wong's here and he's you know, 1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:48.880 he's walking in to talk to Henry and they're sitting 1:03:48.920 --> 1:03:49.680 at a tiny table. 1:03:49.680 --> 1:03:51.640 They're gonna chat. Wong brings a bin. 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:54.960 Of action figures, asks who his favorite is, and Henry 1:03:54.960 --> 1:03:57.520 loves all the villains and he loves how they kill everybody. 1:03:57.880 --> 1:04:00.280 And he is a violent killer. But he's also with 1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:02.840 toys and that's kind of wild, you know. So he 1:04:02.880 --> 1:04:05.520 starts like playing with action figures, which mostly looks like 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:08.360 him banging them together, and Wong is kind of off 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:10.919 put by it. And then Henry goes, well, now he's dead, 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:13.360 he can't do anything, and I don't like him anymore. 1:04:13.400 --> 1:04:15.480 And Wong goes from dislike to oh, this boy is 1:04:15.520 --> 1:04:18.080 sick as fuck. And he's now talking to the squad 1:04:18.360 --> 1:04:21.560 and I and he says, I feel conflicted labeling a 1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:24.440 ten year old a psychopath. But he said he's only 1:04:24.480 --> 1:04:26.600 had a chill like that twice in his life, and 1:04:26.600 --> 1:04:28.880 that was with Death Row serial killers, and now with 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:32.080 this little kid. And he doesn't have any emotions. He 1:04:32.120 --> 1:04:34.840 does not recognize them in other people. He has no empathy, 1:04:34.840 --> 1:04:37.720 and he's very manipulative. And you only see this with 1:04:38.200 --> 1:04:41.600 kids that come from abuse or neglect. But he's just 1:04:41.760 --> 1:04:45.720 wired wrong. So there's a place in Vermont, Okay, care Ah, 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:50.600 we're gonna be in Vermont soom okay, so that so 1:04:50.720 --> 1:04:52.640 that served. I just can't wait. I want to have 1:04:52.680 --> 1:04:55.640 a maple creamy and I want to take a walk 1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:58.280 on the lake and I can't wait to walk that strip. 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:01.480 I just love Vermont so oh much. Burlington is the 1:05:01.520 --> 1:05:04.440 bus Church Street. Maybe we're gonna be there, I know. 1:05:04.680 --> 1:05:07.040 I just it made me love maple because now I 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:08.800 love maple donuts and everything. 1:05:09.000 --> 1:05:09.880 Oh my god, how cute. 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:14.400 So my parents had their wedding anniversary and I postmated 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:16.960 them or seamless or whatever, who cares. 1:05:17.080 --> 1:05:18.400 None of them are giving us money. 1:05:18.600 --> 1:05:22.840 I use the food delivery app to send them Molly's cupcakes, 1:05:22.840 --> 1:05:26.920 which are center filled delicious cupcakes, and then not knowing, 1:05:27.120 --> 1:05:30.600 my sister sent them pizza, sushi and coconut shrimp, like 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:33.040 their favorite things. So I just love that the two 1:05:33.080 --> 1:05:36.000 sisters gave them savory and sweet and like knowing. 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:38.880 Full yeah, a full Schmorgas board. I love that because 1:05:38.920 --> 1:05:41.160 you know, my dad wasn't gonna do anything romantic. 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:44.919 So I sent my mom Jenny's ice cream for her birthday, like. 1:05:44.880 --> 1:05:47.400 Six pints, and she texted me and was like they're gone. 1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:50.680 After like a couple of days, they plowed through them. 1:05:51.240 --> 1:05:53.160 I don't even know if I've had Jenny's, but I 1:05:53.240 --> 1:05:55.760 know it's like the sexy, expensive one, so I would 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:59.120 like to try it. Yeah, I've tried Van Lewin, but 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:02.120 I've never tried Guess what, there's a Van Lewin moving 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:05.560 into my hometown. Our little strip of stores on the 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:07.200 main strip. We used to never have any chains. 1:06:07.240 --> 1:06:09.920 Duncan Donuts was the only chain we had, and now 1:06:11.000 --> 1:06:14.520 in Lewin Baby. But now we have Jay Crue, we 1:06:14.520 --> 1:06:16.360 have Polo, Ralf Lauren, we have tons of chains. 1:06:16.360 --> 1:06:18.680 The whole place has changed now. But a lot that 1:06:18.720 --> 1:06:22.360 you said, Lauren, Oh, Rolf Lauren. 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:27.600 You really jazzed him up. Is he a Jew? Or 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:30.400 is Armani a Jew? I forgot one of them is Jewish. 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:33.080 Though I think Rolf Lauren might be Jewish. I don't 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:37.080 think Harmani is. Yeah, you're right, yeah, Ralph Lauren, Ralph Lauren. 1:06:37.720 --> 1:06:39.320 Beatie Wong is just telling us that there is a 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:42.280 place that services kids with this kind of diagnosis, and 1:06:42.400 --> 1:06:44.640 Wang is willing to talk to the parents about the program, 1:06:44.720 --> 1:06:46.640 and if they're against it, he just advises that they 1:06:46.640 --> 1:06:49.520 should get a safe room. So now we have Wangamorrow 1:06:49.600 --> 1:06:52.280 and Benson at this nice sess penthouse apartment and the 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:54.760 data is annoyed. We already let you talk to him, 1:06:54.840 --> 1:06:57.120 leave us alone, And it's like, he cut your wife 1:06:57.200 --> 1:07:01.600 with a knife. I don't understand this, dad, I really don't. 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:05.320 I'm trying to understand and I cannot understand. 1:07:05.360 --> 1:07:08.080 But I think that's kind of what they're setting up that, Like, 1:07:08.680 --> 1:07:09.920 I mean, I'm going to get into it in the 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:13.640 real crime, but like there's kind of there. If there's 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:17.640 not a abuse factor, then there's usually some kind of 1:07:17.640 --> 1:07:20.600 hereditary factor. And the fact that the dad like readily 1:07:20.640 --> 1:07:22.080 is like, oh yeah, I was filled with rage as 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:23.680 a kid also, and the mom says it too. 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:25.520 The mom's like, oh yeah, so was my husband. 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:28.040 Like they're both rage little raged children, you know, Like 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:30.920 I think they're setting it up that maybe the husband's 1:07:30.960 --> 1:07:33.200 not a full psychopath, but that his anger problems have 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:35.680 sort of maybe engendered this in the child. 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:37.840 But I don't know, you know what I say, lock 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:38.640 his ass up to. 1:07:38.840 --> 1:07:42.240 Yeah, so he's blaming them for his kid being worse, 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:44.360 and the mom says, don't blame them, And the dad 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:46.800 has some humanity and is like, I just don't want 1:07:46.840 --> 1:07:49.919 him to be alone in a cell, thinking we abandon him, 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:52.160 and the mom is like, he's not afraid of us 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:56.160 leaving him, Tom, He's not afraid of anything. And Wang 1:07:56.200 --> 1:07:57.880 has to break it down, like he will never grow 1:07:57.920 --> 1:07:59.600 out of this, he will never be cured, and the 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:02.000 dad put his head in his hands and he's really 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:04.760 sad and maybe now I have some sadness for him, 1:08:05.200 --> 1:08:07.520 but maybe he can learn to control his behavior, and 1:08:07.560 --> 1:08:10.360 sassy dad comes out again. You mean if he slams 1:08:10.360 --> 1:08:12.960 his sister's finger in the door, he won't get to 1:08:12.960 --> 1:08:16.719 play video games. Yeah, we've tried that, sir again smug, 1:08:16.800 --> 1:08:18.960 So it's like, I, you know, I'm back to hating him. 1:08:18.960 --> 1:08:22.479 But he makes this face that is a perfect acting choice. 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:23.720 I don't know if you caught it, but he does 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:26.160 this thing where I just love the way he goes Yeah, 1:08:26.320 --> 1:08:30.000 we've tried that and nods in this really smug, condescending 1:08:30.000 --> 1:08:31.639 way like a little kid. 1:08:31.680 --> 1:08:33.360 I just really enjoyed his acting here. 1:08:34.040 --> 1:08:37.639 And obviously just can't deal with all this, dude, And 1:08:37.680 --> 1:08:40.200 it's like, exactly, dude, none of the things are gonna work. 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:42.240 You can't be mad when they want to lock him up, 1:08:42.280 --> 1:08:45.679 and also mad when they suggest other options, and we're saying, 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:48.240 your kid is a monster, so what do you want. 1:08:48.280 --> 1:08:50.439 You should have done something to protect your daughter sooner, 1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:53.160 and Benson says, we're just trying to say that he 1:08:53.240 --> 1:08:56.240 needs more support than what you are able to provide, 1:08:56.640 --> 1:08:59.200 and the mom says, this is our mistake. We thought 1:08:59.240 --> 1:09:01.240 we could handle him and we can't, and we have 1:09:01.280 --> 1:09:03.880 to give this a try. Wong walks into the squad 1:09:03.960 --> 1:09:06.439 before his flight back to Oklahoma with some good news. 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:08.760 The Vermont Place has a space for him and he 1:09:08.800 --> 1:09:11.720 can start next week, so they walk him out and 1:09:11.760 --> 1:09:14.000 then this gives a little time for Finn and Tomorrow 1:09:14.000 --> 1:09:17.320 to bond about being fathers. Tomorrow's annoyed, Cynthia won't let 1:09:17.400 --> 1:09:20.240 him know but he is the dad, and Finn reassures 1:09:20.280 --> 1:09:22.479 him and says he will have time for that, and 1:09:22.479 --> 1:09:25.360 Tomorrow goes, yeah, really, but well, I Gill doesn't have 1:09:25.360 --> 1:09:27.680 a family, and as bad as Henry has it like, 1:09:27.960 --> 1:09:30.160 he has this amazing family and I didn't have him 1:09:30.200 --> 1:09:32.640 for nine years. That's a lot of time. Do I 1:09:32.680 --> 1:09:34.960 have to wait till he's eighteen? And to me, this 1:09:35.000 --> 1:09:36.800 is a stretch. This isn't about you, and I don't 1:09:36.800 --> 1:09:39.840 think Gil is connected to Henry, and I don't know, 1:09:40.160 --> 1:09:43.439 I just I don't love this. Benson walks in and 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:45.880 is on the phone and it's fucking Henry and he's 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:49.919 worried about Ruby because there's a lot of smoke done done. 1:09:50.000 --> 1:09:51.880 The dad is at work, the mom is locked in 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:54.639 the laundry room, and Benson starts running and we see 1:09:54.680 --> 1:09:57.479 a garbage can with a fire started with papers in it, 1:09:57.840 --> 1:10:00.920 and his little collection of matches. I'm sure we're involved 1:10:00.920 --> 1:10:03.080 in this. And Ruby's in her room right next to 1:10:03.120 --> 1:10:05.679 the fire, breathing in the smoke, and he's standing over 1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:09.320 her and she's coughing and he loves it. The smoke 1:10:09.360 --> 1:10:12.919 alarm is going crazy as he grins. Amaro's with the fireman, 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:14.840 and then the doorman put it out. 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:15.960 Is the scoop that we get. 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:19.200 But the fire was deliberate, and the match heads confirmed that, 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:22.360 like who did the fire? And then Ruby was tied 1:10:22.439 --> 1:10:25.559 to the fucking bed and the mom was locked in 1:10:25.600 --> 1:10:29.320 a room. Ruby's okay, thank goodness, but nobody can find Henry. 1:10:29.560 --> 1:10:30.920 Where the fuck did he go there? 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:32.800 He did not leave on any of the cameras, so 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:35.000 he is in the building, so they have to trap 1:10:35.080 --> 1:10:37.080 him they got to track him down and he's either 1:10:37.120 --> 1:10:39.519 in the playroom of the building or he has one 1:10:39.560 --> 1:10:42.640 friend named Toby so and what fucking sparked all this? 1:10:43.000 --> 1:10:45.280 And they told him about Vermont and he lost it, 1:10:45.360 --> 1:10:47.879 So that's what started it. There was a huge tantrum. 1:10:48.000 --> 1:10:50.600 The dad left for a work emergency. What is a 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:54.439 bigger emergency than your sociopathic son flipping out about being 1:10:54.479 --> 1:10:58.520 sent away to a prison? Yeah, amtrack that work emergency? 1:10:58.680 --> 1:10:59.799 An Amtrak derailment? 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:03.480 Delaware? Who cares? So the mom is hysterical. 1:11:03.560 --> 1:11:06.400 Obviously she stays with Ruby and as Benson runs to 1:11:06.439 --> 1:11:09.480 find him, she's like, be careful. Henry just doesn't understand. 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:15.160 He does, he does understand he's a psychopath. So this 1:11:15.240 --> 1:11:18.479 episode shows the delusion and denial of mothering boys, and 1:11:18.680 --> 1:11:22.200 nobody cares about Ruby here at all. Again, this is 1:11:22.400 --> 1:11:23.479 the problem of egg. 1:11:24.280 --> 1:11:26.519 Do you think this mom is just like posting photos 1:11:26.520 --> 1:11:28.759 of her son setting a fire with like hashtag boy mom. 1:11:29.520 --> 1:11:30.240 Yeah. 1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:32.360 My thing is I hate when women are blamed for 1:11:32.400 --> 1:11:34.760 the actions of men. But then I do hate boy 1:11:34.800 --> 1:11:37.719 moms that caught all their sons and then make rapists 1:11:37.760 --> 1:11:40.640 out of them, and so like, I just don't know, 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:45.120 I don't like blaming mothers or any women for men's mistakes, 1:11:45.200 --> 1:11:48.840 but it is like an issue where these moms are 1:11:48.840 --> 1:11:51.880 so obsessed with their sons and they're like, it's the 1:11:51.920 --> 1:11:55.519 evidence is he knows what he's doing. Yeah, you don't 1:11:55.520 --> 1:11:59.440 think he knows. He's been saving these matchheads for a while. Yeah, 1:11:59.640 --> 1:12:07.400 So whatever she is, this girl Ruby has been shoved, slammed, smoked, 1:12:07.640 --> 1:12:10.200 and it's still poor Henry, Poor Henry. 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:12.960 We have this little child all marks the jamask skullburns. 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:15.400 We don't even know what those are. This girl has skullburns, 1:12:15.400 --> 1:12:16.040 and we're like, is. 1:12:16.000 --> 1:12:17.280 Henry gonna be okay? 1:12:17.560 --> 1:12:20.080 This is a farce? Like is this a satire? I 1:12:20.120 --> 1:12:23.280 feel like I'm in an alternate universe. Finn and Amanda 1:12:23.320 --> 1:12:25.519 hit up Toby's place and the dad answers the door 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:28.160 and he's like, what the fuck they're in Toby's room? 1:12:28.160 --> 1:12:30.920 Who cares? And so Rollins runs and the dad goes 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:34.000 chill out. They're telling if there's no screaming, they're fine. 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:36.919 So Finn is like, did you not hear the sirens? 1:12:36.920 --> 1:12:39.040 He goes, yeah, the doorman said everything was under control. 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:41.000 Amanda enters Toby's room. 1:12:41.080 --> 1:12:41.400 Guess what. 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:44.800 Nobody's there. We hear him in the closet. He is crying. 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:46.599 He's tied up with a pillow case on his head 1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:47.479 like it's Abu grabe. 1:12:47.960 --> 1:12:48.400 Okay. 1:12:48.479 --> 1:12:51.960 So he's doing historical torture in the closet of this 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:55.320 child's room. And the boy goes, he was hurting snowball, 1:12:55.840 --> 1:12:59.560 and so then they go and fuck they Snowball is 1:12:59.640 --> 1:13:04.040 drowned in the tub. We do not see it, but 1:13:04.120 --> 1:13:06.640 we see the leash. You see the leash tied to 1:13:06.680 --> 1:13:10.040 the faucet. The tub is overflowing, and fing goes, don't 1:13:10.080 --> 1:13:13.519 go in there. So Toby says that Henry threatened to 1:13:13.520 --> 1:13:16.360 shoot him with his dad's gun, and he goes, no, 1:13:16.400 --> 1:13:18.840 it's locked in my study in the safe. But Toby 1:13:18.880 --> 1:13:22.920 knows the condo, the combo. Toby knows the combo. He says, 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:25.400 I'm sorry. The dad hugs him. So they go to 1:13:25.439 --> 1:13:28.200 the building play place in this room. I used to 1:13:28.240 --> 1:13:31.960 spend a lot of babysitting days in the commutroom at 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:33.639 the luxury building. 1:13:33.760 --> 1:13:34.479 Oh my god. 1:13:35.240 --> 1:13:37.719 And he's holding a kid hostage in a tunnel tube 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:40.160 toy and he's holding the kid with the fucking gun 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:43.479 Amaro asks for thank god he didn't hurt Toby honestly. 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:45.960 Tomorrow asks for the gun and it's like, yeah, no, 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:48.479 Henry's not going to give you a gun. Bentson walks 1:13:48.479 --> 1:13:50.240 in from behind with the gun and I don't think 1:13:50.280 --> 1:13:52.840 Henry knows. I'm not really sure what's going down. His 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:55.519 name is Sam, the little boy. He has developmental delays, 1:13:55.560 --> 1:13:58.400 Henry says, and I look. The mom's like he doesn't 1:13:58.439 --> 1:13:59.960 know what he's doing. But he's like, this kid has 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:02.960 developmental distinct delays. I think a kid who won't really 1:14:03.200 --> 1:14:04.800 like yeah, yell that much. 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:05.680 Yeah. 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:07.640 And Tomorrow goes, why don't you just let him go 1:14:07.680 --> 1:14:10.200 and the big boys can chat. That does not work, 1:14:10.439 --> 1:14:12.360 and he's just trying to let him, like, make him 1:14:12.439 --> 1:14:13.160 let go of Sam. 1:14:13.200 --> 1:14:14.479 And they come out of the tunnel. 1:14:14.520 --> 1:14:18.679 There's a tunnel play place and Tomorrow snatches up Sam 1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:21.479 runs him to Benson. Henry points the gun at them 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:24.000 and says, you stay. She goes and he's like, is 1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:26.200 my mom and dad mad at me? And Omarro says, 1:14:26.200 --> 1:14:28.600 they're upset, but we don't even know that because the 1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:33.200 dad had a work emergency, So you know, your kid's 1:14:33.240 --> 1:14:35.760 just setting fires to an apartment building and holding the 1:14:36.000 --> 1:14:37.000 past stitch with a gun. 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:39.759 But what happened on the amtrak? 1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:43.040 So then Henry is like, I mean I called nine 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:45.639 one one when the smoke got bad, and Tomorrow goes 1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:47.680 and that was a good job, you little psycho. And 1:14:47.720 --> 1:14:50.759 he wants Tomorrow's gone and starts screaming, you promise, you promise, 1:14:50.840 --> 1:14:51.479 give me the gun. 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:52.400 And It's like, you. 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:54.920 Already have a gun, why do you need another gun? Yeah, 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:57.040 So they go back and forth. Amorrow is scared and 1:14:57.080 --> 1:14:59.240 Henry's like, I wonder what would happen if I shot 1:14:59.280 --> 1:15:02.120 you out of blood? Would your brains come out of 1:15:02.120 --> 1:15:04.840 your forehead? And Amorro says, fine, here, I'll show you 1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:07.479 my gun now. He empties the clip and then asks 1:15:07.479 --> 1:15:12.280 for Henry's gun, but instead he shoots Tomorrow. But remember 1:15:12.600 --> 1:15:15.960 the bullet proof vest from the cold open. He's pretty, 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:19.920 so he pounces hold Henry down. He yells I'll kill him, 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:22.920 I'll kill him, I'll kill him, and Henry has no 1:15:23.000 --> 1:15:24.240 emotion on his face. 1:15:25.080 --> 1:15:26.559 Should have picked Vermont, idiot. 1:15:26.840 --> 1:15:30.240 So anyways, Amorrow is shirtless and wounded at the hospital 1:15:30.320 --> 1:15:32.519 with Benson standing with him, happy he's alive. 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:34.040 The vest is king. 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:37.599 Benson is mad that the little gun Hot Potato game 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:40.200 that they played, swapping the guns, and Tomorrow just goes, 1:15:40.240 --> 1:15:41.920 I wasn't about to shoot a fucking ten year old, 1:15:42.000 --> 1:15:44.479 okay if he's white, Okay. 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:46.040 So Gil and. 1:15:45.880 --> 1:15:49.479 Cynthia run in and they're worried about him, and they're happy, 1:15:49.520 --> 1:15:52.000 and he intros them to Benson. It's all very sweet, 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:54.320 and so Benson leaves to give them a moment, and 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:57.320 Cynthia decides, honestly, Gil and you should have a Manda 1:15:57.320 --> 1:16:01.240 man talk, and so Benson and Cynthia go out for 1:16:01.360 --> 1:16:04.360 a cup of coffee. Gil and Tomorrow smile at each other. 1:16:04.840 --> 1:16:06.840 Now we're back to the parents of the Year watching 1:16:06.880 --> 1:16:09.680 through the glasses. Rollins talks to their evil son. He 1:16:09.760 --> 1:16:13.120 says he never even likes Snowball. He confesses to everything 1:16:13.360 --> 1:16:15.920 to tying Snowball, holding her down, putting Toby in a 1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:18.760 closet after he peede himself that he tied his sister 1:16:18.840 --> 1:16:20.479 to the bed to see if she'd melt from the 1:16:20.520 --> 1:16:23.200 inside out, but because of the smoke, he couldn't see. 1:16:23.280 --> 1:16:25.879 And Rollins is like, so's that one you called Benson, 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:27.920 And he goes, yeah, and this is all her fault. 1:16:28.160 --> 1:16:30.080 She's the one that wanted to send me away. And 1:16:30.080 --> 1:16:32.240 the mom can't even listen to this anymore. And the 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:35.160 dad goes, well, what happens now? And Benson and Pipa 1:16:35.200 --> 1:16:37.920 are there with Cragan and they break it down, like 1:16:38.080 --> 1:16:41.120 he tried to kill his sister and he shot a cop. 1:16:41.560 --> 1:16:44.479 He's not going home, and the mom is still like, 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:48.960 but he's only ten years old. I can't, I can't, 1:16:49.120 --> 1:16:53.040 I can't. Pimpa explains he will be charged with juvenile 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:56.519 delinquency and he will be sentenced to juvenile facility that 1:16:56.560 --> 1:16:59.120 will be secure as hell. The mom is like, wait, 1:16:59.400 --> 1:17:02.120 so he's gonna be locked away? And I mean, honestly, 1:17:02.160 --> 1:17:03.720 they need to take Ruby out of the home too. 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:07.040 These are unfit parents and they should not have any children. 1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:09.120 They should have been on the child free train and 1:17:09.160 --> 1:17:12.599 I hate them. He tried to kill your daughter. Yes, 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:15.200 he's going to be locked away, and Benson goes until 1:17:15.200 --> 1:17:18.280 he's eighteen, which honestly doesn't seem long enough. The parents cry, 1:17:18.840 --> 1:17:20.920 she wants to be the one to tell him this info, 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:23.519 and they let him know, and you know, he puts 1:17:23.520 --> 1:17:25.439 on a baby innocent vibe, like I don't want to 1:17:25.479 --> 1:17:29.040 be there, and he's turning the blame on her and 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:31.400 you said yes, and they're like, you shot a cop. 1:17:31.720 --> 1:17:33.840 And he then pleads with his dad, please don't let 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:35.680 them take me away, and he hugs him and they 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:37.720 all cry, and the dad says, I love you, and 1:17:37.760 --> 1:17:40.240 he cries and says I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I love you, 1:17:40.680 --> 1:17:41.360 and lets. 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:42.080 His dad hug him. 1:17:42.160 --> 1:17:44.200 And then as the dad is cradling him, we see 1:17:44.200 --> 1:17:46.840 the other side of the hug and it's Henry who 1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:49.720 is not sorry at all. 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It's In nineteen ninety a producer named Gabby 1:19:16.800 --> 1:19:20.080 Monet made a short documentary piece called Child of Rage, 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:22.719 A Story of Abuse, which is the story of Beth Thomas. 1:19:22.760 --> 1:19:23.599 It was on HBO. 1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:26.400 It was part of the America Undercover series that they 1:19:26.400 --> 1:19:28.439 did at the time. So in this it's like a 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:31.559 thirty minute doc right. So in this piece, a therapist 1:19:31.640 --> 1:19:35.120 named Ken Maggott interviews Beth, who at the time is 1:19:35.160 --> 1:19:36.320 six and a half years old. 1:19:36.680 --> 1:19:38.559 It is so sad and dark. 1:19:38.720 --> 1:19:40.679 It will be linked in our sources if you feel 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:42.479 like watching it. But I did watch it for you 1:19:42.600 --> 1:19:45.840 to tell you about it, because but it was very 1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:47.479 sad and I watched it until the wee hours of 1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:50.719 the morning last night. So he starts off talking about 1:19:50.840 --> 1:19:53.639 she's really sweet and cute. She's got a little Southern accent, 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:58.000 big eyes, She's very articulate, and like talks pretty clearly, 1:19:58.160 --> 1:20:02.000 and she tells the truth really like I mean, she 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:05.080 doesn't really go I don't know, like she kind of 1:20:05.120 --> 1:20:08.920 answers most of his questions like pretty straightforward. And so 1:20:09.000 --> 1:20:12.840 Maggod asks her, are people afraid of you? And she says, yes, 1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:15.040 my brother's afraid of me because I hurt him so much. 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:17.599 She explains how her parents lock her in her room 1:20:17.600 --> 1:20:19.639 at night so that she won't hurt John, her brother, 1:20:19.800 --> 1:20:22.160 or her parents. But if given the chance, she said, 1:20:22.160 --> 1:20:24.280 she would hurt her family at night when they can't 1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:26.519 see me, she says, and she would stab them with 1:20:26.560 --> 1:20:29.960 a knife. She's pretty unaffected when she talks. And then 1:20:30.000 --> 1:20:32.360 there's a crawl like at the beginning of the movie, 1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:34.920 after this little interview that explains that doctor Maggid works 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:37.880 with kids who are so traumatized in early life that 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:40.160 they can't bond with other people, They cannot love or 1:20:40.200 --> 1:20:44.759 accept love, They are without conscience, they can hurt or kill, 1:20:44.960 --> 1:20:48.200 even kill without remorse, and the film shows that victims 1:20:48.240 --> 1:20:51.479 can be helped, So stay with me. She admits to 1:20:51.560 --> 1:20:54.000 sticking pins in her brother and says she was trying 1:20:54.000 --> 1:20:56.160 to kill him because she was hurt so badly she 1:20:56.200 --> 1:20:58.760 doesn't want to be around people. She also wants to 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:01.360 stick pins in mommy and daddy and have them die. 1:21:01.720 --> 1:21:03.920 So that's how this opens up. Then we go back. 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:05.840 She doesn't seem like a liar, you know what I mean, 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:08.040 at least right being upfront, She's like, yeah, I want 1:21:08.080 --> 1:21:09.960 to kill everybody, and I'll put a needle in your eye. 1:21:10.000 --> 1:21:12.320 Yeah, exactly. She's not being like, no, it was an accident. 1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:14.320 I was holding the pin and we were wrestling. Like. 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:16.000 She's just like, yeah, I don't want people to be 1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:17.760 around me because I was hurt and ill, and I 1:21:17.800 --> 1:21:18.479 want to kill people. 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:20.280 Beth's father then. 1:21:20.280 --> 1:21:22.360 She is caring, so she does know she wants to 1:21:22.439 --> 1:21:24.559 kill him, but she seems like she knows it's wrong 1:21:24.720 --> 1:21:26.240 or something like, I'm so curious. 1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:28.360 It's hard to say. It's hard to say. It's hard 1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:29.880 to say whether she knows it's wrong or not. 1:21:29.960 --> 1:21:32.679 But she knows that she was hurt and that that's 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:35.800 what Maybe she's also speaking because she's had therapy before. 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:38.880 Maybe she's like speaking regurgitating things people have told her. 1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:43.440 But essentially what happened was Beth's father she was adopted. 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:46.439 So Beth's father, Tim was a minister of a small 1:21:46.439 --> 1:21:48.599 Methodist church in the South. Him and his wife Julie 1:21:48.640 --> 1:21:51.080 were married for twelve years unable to have their own children, 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:53.679 so they look to adopt. So in February of nineteen 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:55.840 eighty four, they get this call that two kids are 1:21:55.840 --> 1:21:59.000 available for adoption, siblings Beth who was nineteen months old 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:01.599 and Jonathan, who was seven months old, And they were 1:22:01.600 --> 1:22:03.479 told these kids are normal and healthy. 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:04.439 They thought, that. 1:22:04.439 --> 1:22:06.439 Seems like a dream, like to be able to adopt 1:22:06.600 --> 1:22:09.439 like children that young siblings together. I mean that like 1:22:09.479 --> 1:22:11.880 totally for someone that wants to adopt, that seems like 1:22:12.040 --> 1:22:15.439 such a kind of perfect Yeah, exactly. 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:17.479 And they said too, they were like, we thought it 1:22:17.520 --> 1:22:19.400 was a miracle, like we had out all these friends 1:22:19.400 --> 1:22:21.320 that had been on waiting lists for years and years, 1:22:21.320 --> 1:22:23.839 and here we were getting two kids, like, oh my gosh. 1:22:23.960 --> 1:22:27.040 And then the narrator goes their dream became a nightmare 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:30.519 when they realized that Beth and Jonathan had severe emotional problems. 1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:33.599 The narrator is very datelining in this. They started to 1:22:34.000 --> 1:22:37.439 learn more and more about the kid's background. So the 1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:40.960 mother died when Beth was one and little Jonathan was 1:22:41.120 --> 1:22:44.360 just a new baby. Weirdly, there's some articles I read 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:47.479 that said Beth thought that Jonathan, that the mother died 1:22:47.520 --> 1:22:49.960 in childbirth of Jonathan, and that's another reason why she 1:22:50.040 --> 1:22:53.040 resented him so badly, because he you know, But I 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:54.919 was not able to find that in other places. 1:22:54.920 --> 1:22:56.040 So the mother passed away. 1:22:56.120 --> 1:23:00.320 I don't know how the father kept them, the biological father, 1:23:00.439 --> 1:23:03.320 and he was not a good person. He did not 1:23:03.400 --> 1:23:06.120 feed them properly, did not take care of them, and 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:10.360 he severely physically and sexually abused Beth. And she was 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:12.120 like a baby. So this is horrific. 1:23:12.520 --> 1:23:15.759 And I don't know if yeah, like I'm watching Ronie, 1:23:15.760 --> 1:23:17.320 I don't know if you've gotten to this part yet. 1:23:17.320 --> 1:23:18.839 But this is how Brynn was raised. 1:23:19.520 --> 1:23:22.160 Like she said she would be in a dirty diaper 1:23:22.280 --> 1:23:24.960 all day, no one fed her, she'd be left alone 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:26.559 for days, and that. 1:23:26.560 --> 1:23:28.040 She was saved by her grandmother. 1:23:28.200 --> 1:23:31.759 But I mean, I knew that being like this young, 1:23:32.160 --> 1:23:34.479 that being touch like all these things matter, like having 1:23:34.520 --> 1:23:37.640 a baby with love really affects you, but it is 1:23:37.680 --> 1:23:40.880 also shocking that you can have this much damage done 1:23:40.920 --> 1:23:44.320 before you're even one, that your body remembers neglect in 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:44.759 your brain. 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:48.080 It just seems like, oh, I can figure this out. 1:23:48.160 --> 1:23:52.400 I have years of reprogramming, and it's like no, yeah, 1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:56.320 I'm so curious to learn more about this. And well, 1:23:56.920 --> 1:23:59.360 not being held or being treated well as a baby 1:23:59.360 --> 1:24:00.840 can just fuck you forever. 1:24:01.280 --> 1:24:03.080 Yeah, scary, scary. 1:24:03.160 --> 1:24:07.559 So they said so basically like the father is telling like, yeah, 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:09.840 I guess little Jonathan was in a diaper all day, 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:12.559 like you're in all over his crib bottles with curdled 1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:13.040 milk in. 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:14.720 The crib, like it was not a good situation. So 1:24:14.760 --> 1:24:15.080 they were. 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:18.120 They were taken away from him obviously. But Beth has 1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:21.680 a recurring nightmare. She says about a man falling on 1:24:21.720 --> 1:24:23.639 her and hurting him, hurting her with a. 1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:24.320 Part of himself. 1:24:24.439 --> 1:24:27.600 So it's all very it's all there, and in the 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:30.960 document in the documentary, they just ask this little six 1:24:31.040 --> 1:24:32.760 and a half year old about her birth father and 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:34.960 she goes, yeah, he touched my vagina. Like she just 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:38.800 is outwardly saying like using anatomically correct terms, like this 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:41.000 is what happened. She said he wouldn't feed me, he 1:24:41.080 --> 1:24:43.120 wasn't nice to me. And THENY go, how old were 1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:46.439 you and she said I was one? And I'm like, normally, 1:24:46.479 --> 1:24:48.960 I didn't think you could remember things from that age. Like, 1:24:49.080 --> 1:24:51.240 my daughter's very articulate, but like if I ask her 1:24:51.240 --> 1:24:54.000 about something that happened when she was one, she doesn't remember, 1:24:54.320 --> 1:24:57.000 you know, and she's four. But I think maybe if 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:59.800 it's a huge trauma, it's something that sticks in more. 1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:01.680 But I didn't know. I don't know. 1:25:01.720 --> 1:25:04.080 I'm sure we have listeners that like know more about 1:25:04.160 --> 1:25:06.840 child psychology and like when you start forming memories. But 1:25:06.960 --> 1:25:08.840 she has this nightmare where her dad hurts her. She 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:11.280 draws a picture for the therapist of her dad hurting her. 1:25:11.800 --> 1:25:14.200 The documentary says that because of these early traumas, she 1:25:14.280 --> 1:25:16.800 never developed a conscience, and she never learned to love 1:25:16.880 --> 1:25:20.559 or trust anyone, and she also exhibited inappropriate sexual behavior, 1:25:20.680 --> 1:25:24.559 especially towards her brother. She admits in the interview to hitting, pinching, 1:25:24.560 --> 1:25:27.920 and squeezing her brother's genitals. Her adopted mother caught her 1:25:27.960 --> 1:25:31.360 molesting the brother, she says, and she said that Beth 1:25:31.479 --> 1:25:35.240 used to masturbate at inappropriate times and every single day, 1:25:35.320 --> 1:25:37.440 like all the time. She was like doing it constantly, 1:25:37.840 --> 1:25:40.519 like in parking lots like wherever. And her mother said 1:25:40.720 --> 1:25:42.680 she tried to tell her, like this is private, like 1:25:42.720 --> 1:25:44.960 you can you know, do this like in your bedroom, 1:25:44.960 --> 1:25:47.559 and she was unfazed and didn't like, had no emotion 1:25:47.640 --> 1:25:52.400 about it. So Beth also describes in this interview harming animals. 1:25:52.800 --> 1:25:55.559 She says she stuck some animals with pins, like dogs 1:25:55.560 --> 1:25:57.599 and cats and stuff, but she also killed a few 1:25:57.600 --> 1:26:00.200 baby birds that they had found in a nest. The 1:26:00.240 --> 1:26:02.160 mom came out and found that they were dead, and 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:04.680 Beth like describes later how she squeezed them till they 1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:08.600 died basically or broke their necks. The parents were miserable, 1:26:08.840 --> 1:26:11.280 understande ley I guess, they said, like the little boy 1:26:11.280 --> 1:26:13.479 would cry every morning with a hurt stomach, and they 1:26:13.479 --> 1:26:16.120 thought maybe he had gastro intestinal issues, but really Beth 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:18.879 was coming into his room and punching him in the stomach, 1:26:19.240 --> 1:26:22.400 much like the characters in this episode. And the mom 1:26:22.439 --> 1:26:25.280 started to notice small knives going missing in the kitchen. 1:26:25.960 --> 1:26:29.160 And then Beth is describing to her therapist how she 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:31.800 took the knives and how she wanted to kill her 1:26:31.800 --> 1:26:34.240 family with them, and the mom is like telling a 1:26:34.280 --> 1:26:36.240 story too about how Beth would be like, what do 1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:38.760 those knives look like that are missing? Are they like 1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:41.599 the little ones with the green Like she was like 1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:43.960 almost saying it with a smile, because the mom was like, 1:26:44.040 --> 1:26:45.880 I know you have them, like I know you have 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:48.599 these knives, because the daughter was like, you know, being 1:26:48.680 --> 1:26:51.400 a little bit manipulative about it. So at that point 1:26:51.479 --> 1:26:53.680 as well, she had tried to kill the little brother 1:26:53.760 --> 1:26:55.840 a few times, like she smashed his head against the 1:26:55.880 --> 1:26:59.120 cement concrete, and when she talks about it, she goes, yeah, 1:26:59.160 --> 1:27:02.000 I just couldn't stop, Like I couldn't do it. I 1:27:02.040 --> 1:27:03.559 was just hitting his head against the floor and it 1:27:03.600 --> 1:27:05.840 was made out of cement, and I couldn't stop. And 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:08.760 the mom obviously broke it up before she could kill 1:27:08.840 --> 1:27:13.760 him or do horrible damage. But doctor Maggid suggests that 1:27:13.800 --> 1:27:17.200 Beth be separated from the family temporarily, so she is 1:27:17.240 --> 1:27:20.759 brought to a treatment facility with an expert on early 1:27:20.800 --> 1:27:24.840 attachment disorder or reactive attachment disorder is what they say 1:27:24.880 --> 1:27:28.400 in this documentary that she has, and she goes to 1:27:28.439 --> 1:27:30.679 work with a woman who's featured in the documentary named 1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:34.400 Connell Watkins, and we see footage of this woman and 1:27:34.439 --> 1:27:38.240 she explains, like, because a child like this is so unattached, 1:27:38.240 --> 1:27:40.400 they don't let anyone be the boss of them. So 1:27:40.439 --> 1:27:43.280 at this facility, the facility takes total control. 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:45.240 The kids do not have control of anything. 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:46.479 You have to want to go to the bathroom, you 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:48.120 want to sip of water, anything you want to do, 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:52.040 you have to ask for permission. And this, I guess 1:27:52.040 --> 1:27:55.400 creates some kind of bond. And then the children because 1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:57.120 a lot of these kids, they say, believe that they 1:27:57.120 --> 1:27:59.519 themselves are evil. A lot of them think they're bad kids, 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:02.360 they're from the devil whatever. And so the woman's like, 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:04.479 we have to transform how they feel in their minds. 1:28:05.120 --> 1:28:09.559 So she says, after they start to go along with 1:28:09.600 --> 1:28:12.200 the like asking for everything and being like really under 1:28:12.200 --> 1:28:14.040 their control, then they start to loosen it up a 1:28:14.080 --> 1:28:16.320 little bit and build trust and letting them have a 1:28:16.360 --> 1:28:18.880 little bit more freedom. And so they say in the 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:22.479 documentary that Beth started to improve, like pretty quickly, she 1:28:22.560 --> 1:28:25.759 started to understand right from wrong, She started to respond 1:28:25.800 --> 1:28:28.960 to affection, was more outgoing. She ended up going to 1:28:29.000 --> 1:28:32.120 public school, going to church, singing in the choir. They 1:28:32.120 --> 1:28:34.320 show her in the documentary with a bird on her shoulder, 1:28:34.439 --> 1:28:37.640 so now she's playing with animals without murdering them. So 1:28:37.680 --> 1:28:40.720 they're explaining now she has a conscience and that she 1:28:40.800 --> 1:28:43.240 wants to heal because she has a family who loves her. 1:28:43.600 --> 1:28:46.280 And Beth herself talks in this documentary. She talks about 1:28:46.280 --> 1:28:48.559 the rage that she has inside of her that comes 1:28:48.560 --> 1:28:50.840 from her birth. That hurting her and it made her 1:28:50.880 --> 1:28:53.559 want to hurt people, and she says it hurt her 1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:57.240 the most because when she's hurting other people, she's hurting 1:28:57.240 --> 1:28:59.960 her good self. And she starts crying and it's like 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:04.840 really heartbreaking, Like this documentary is so heartbreaking, So let 1:29:04.840 --> 1:29:07.320 me get into this a little bit more. The documentary 1:29:07.360 --> 1:29:10.880 labels her as having reactive Attachment disorder, a RAD diagnosis 1:29:10.960 --> 1:29:14.000 is given only to children with the most severe attachment issues, 1:29:14.280 --> 1:29:17.400 and these can develop when a child has been bounced 1:29:17.400 --> 1:29:20.080 around from home to home without any stability, which we 1:29:20.120 --> 1:29:22.600 see all the time in the foster care system. A 1:29:22.680 --> 1:29:25.720 child's hunger or hygienic needs are ignored for hours at 1:29:25.720 --> 1:29:28.960 a time, which happened to little Beth parents and caregivers 1:29:29.000 --> 1:29:32.519 are inconsistent with care or giving affection, or the child 1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:35.120 is left alone or not touched for hours or days 1:29:35.120 --> 1:29:39.400 at a time, which we've talked about other like orphanages. 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:39.679 Where this happens. 1:29:40.200 --> 1:29:43.040 So now we see some of her recovery in the 1:29:43.120 --> 1:29:46.320 documentary and now and how life was with her adoptive parents, 1:29:46.400 --> 1:29:50.200 Tim and Julie. At some point after this, she is 1:29:50.240 --> 1:29:54.400 adopted by a woman named Nancy Thomas. And I don't 1:29:54.400 --> 1:29:57.280 really understand what's going on. I cannot find out when, 1:29:58.200 --> 1:30:01.760 but there are photos of Nancy at Beth's wedding, so 1:30:03.520 --> 1:30:06.639 they are really related to each other. But I don't 1:30:06.640 --> 1:30:09.800 know when this second adoption happens. And what's weird is 1:30:09.800 --> 1:30:12.280 that they say they called Jonathan Jonathan Thomas, So did 1:30:12.320 --> 1:30:15.760 they just coincidentally have the same last name or did 1:30:15.800 --> 1:30:18.000 she take Thomas as a birth name. Very confusing if 1:30:18.000 --> 1:30:19.960 you have any information. This was one of those things 1:30:20.000 --> 1:30:22.160 where a lot of the information was on websites like 1:30:22.360 --> 1:30:24.479 not the New York Times, not the Washington Posts, like 1:30:24.560 --> 1:30:27.120 kind of websites where it seems like a bunch of 1:30:27.120 --> 1:30:29.400 stuff is cobblet scaller. Most of the links on the 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:32.959 Wikipedia page are dead, so a lot of the information 1:30:33.040 --> 1:30:36.960 I had to deep dive for. But this woman, Nancy Thomas, 1:30:37.600 --> 1:30:40.920 it was and is. I found her LinkedIn profile. A 1:30:41.040 --> 1:30:44.080 leading proponent of attachment therapy, which has also been called 1:30:44.160 --> 1:30:50.200 rage reduction therapy, the Evergreen model, holding time, compression therapy, rebirthing, 1:30:50.439 --> 1:30:54.000 or corrective attachment therapy, or coercive restraint therapy. It has 1:30:54.000 --> 1:30:57.400 a lot of different names. So here's the good news. 1:30:57.439 --> 1:31:01.080 Beth Thomas is a success story. She is a normal life. 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:03.200 She is about my age, a little bit younger. She 1:31:03.280 --> 1:31:06.720 graduated college and nursing school, got married, is now an 1:31:06.760 --> 1:31:10.760 award winning registered nurse in flagsaff Arizona. She has co 1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:14.599 authored two books with Nancy about how she overcame reactive 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:17.479 attachment disorder. One is called More Than a Thread of 1:31:17.520 --> 1:31:20.160 Hope and the other one is called Dandelion on My Pillow, 1:31:20.200 --> 1:31:25.240 Butcher Knife Beneath Scandalous. But I start reading, much like 1:31:25.360 --> 1:31:29.639 you with the parental alienation syndrome. I start reading about 1:31:29.640 --> 1:31:32.760 attachment therapy and I realized that it's considered a pseudoscience. 1:31:32.960 --> 1:31:33.679 I had no idea. 1:31:33.720 --> 1:31:35.160 I think in my mind, I was like, oh, that's 1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:37.360 like legit, right, is an attachment therapy like a thing, 1:31:37.680 --> 1:31:42.120 but I guess it's kind of considered not fully legit 1:31:42.200 --> 1:31:45.920 at all. And remember Connell Walkins, this therapist who helped 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:48.759 Beth turn around at this facility and helped her recover 1:31:48.840 --> 1:31:49.960 with this attachment therapy. 1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:51.559 Oopsie oops. 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:54.639 In two thousand, she was arrested and convicted of reckless 1:31:54.680 --> 1:31:57.559 child abuse leading to the death of a child. She 1:31:57.920 --> 1:32:00.479 and another woman killed a ten year old child while 1:32:00.479 --> 1:32:03.080 attempting to put them through rebirthing, which is. 1:32:03.080 --> 1:32:03.720 Ans for you. 1:32:03.920 --> 1:32:06.320 On this there's an sview where there was a therapy 1:32:06.360 --> 1:32:08.360 and they sat on her chest with a bunch of pilla. 1:32:08.600 --> 1:32:11.439 Like there's also like can do type ones, but this 1:32:12.240 --> 1:32:14.920 the squeezing of someone for therapy and then they die. 1:32:14.960 --> 1:32:16.800 It might be even the one with Margot Martindale. I 1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:17.240 don't remember. 1:32:17.240 --> 1:32:19.200 I think it is. I think it is. It's like 1:32:19.240 --> 1:32:19.960 little fanning it. 1:32:20.120 --> 1:32:25.240 It's a little fanning l so she there's video of it, 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:27.559 which is so fucked up. Like obviously did not watch 1:32:27.600 --> 1:32:29.320 the video, but I read about the video and like 1:32:29.400 --> 1:32:32.639 in the video, this little girl, Candice Newmaker is like stop, 1:32:32.680 --> 1:32:35.120 I can't breathe. It's not working. It's not worthing stop. 1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:37.200 I want to die. I want to die, and they're like, 1:32:37.280 --> 1:32:40.360 go ahead and die. Then, like they are leaning. It's 1:32:40.360 --> 1:32:43.160 like multiple adults are on her, Like it was hundreds 1:32:43.160 --> 1:32:45.759 of pounds of weight, like on this little girl's body. 1:32:46.040 --> 1:32:47.759 So she did suffocate and die. 1:32:47.960 --> 1:32:51.040 And it turned out Watkins was not licensed as a therapist, 1:32:51.240 --> 1:32:53.880 so this whole story is very horrific. She got a 1:32:53.920 --> 1:32:56.840 sixteen year prison sentence but was paroled after eight years. 1:32:57.360 --> 1:32:59.479 And it's like, even though this kind of therapy seems 1:32:59.479 --> 1:33:01.719 to have greatly helped Beth, there have been several deaths 1:33:01.760 --> 1:33:05.120 of children related to attachment therapy and it's believed by 1:33:05.200 --> 1:33:08.000 many to be what Michael aaron A, PhD wrote in 1:33:08.040 --> 1:33:11.559 Psychology Today. He wrote, quote that it is the most 1:33:11.600 --> 1:33:14.840 recent in a long line of psychotherapy crazes promising to 1:33:14.920 --> 1:33:18.600 finally provide the magical solution to reliably heal suffering. So 1:33:18.680 --> 1:33:21.320 I understand people have deep seated trauma of things that 1:33:21.320 --> 1:33:23.280 happen to them and they think, oh, maybe this will work, 1:33:23.360 --> 1:33:25.720 you know, But I don't really have a time to 1:33:25.720 --> 1:33:28.080 do a full deep dive into this type of therapy. 1:33:28.080 --> 1:33:30.599 If you're I'm sure you guys will message me about it. 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:33.120 But from what I'm reading, it sounds like it is 1:33:34.200 --> 1:33:36.439 not a reliable science. But then I think there's other 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:39.160 Parts of what I was reading was that people like 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:42.560 Nancy are like, nobody does rebirthing anymore. Attachment therapy is 1:33:42.560 --> 1:33:44.519 about X Y Z, and I'm sure there are parts 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:47.200 of it that are completely valid and work because Beth 1:33:47.280 --> 1:33:49.880 Thomas is a success story and it worked for her. 1:33:49.920 --> 1:33:51.760 I don't think she ever got rebirth, no one was 1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:54.280 ever sitting on her. But so that's the story of 1:33:54.320 --> 1:33:59.479 Beth Thomas. I'm also extremely interested in just psychopaths in general, 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:03.880 and child psychopaths. And I read this amazing article in 1:34:03.920 --> 1:34:06.559 The Atlantic, which it came. 1:34:06.360 --> 1:34:08.080 Out in It's crazy. 1:34:08.080 --> 1:34:10.040 I swore I read this when I lived in New York. 1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:12.200 When did this art? When did this article get written? 1:34:12.280 --> 1:34:14.479 Let me just look really quick. Sorry, No, I'm also 1:34:14.560 --> 1:34:17.599 wondering if it's like too early to even label Beth 1:34:17.760 --> 1:34:20.920 a success story, Like what if she's doing fucked up 1:34:20.920 --> 1:34:23.920 shit as a nurse, or what if she does snap 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:25.719 one day and kill her husband. 1:34:25.760 --> 1:34:27.880 I don't know, Like, yes, there. 1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:32.120 Is there a way to prove this since the therapy 1:34:32.240 --> 1:34:35.800 is not even proven. Well, just for the best, yeah, 1:34:35.840 --> 1:34:38.240 I think she stopped trying to harm people physically and 1:34:38.320 --> 1:34:41.479 kill animals and stuff. So yeah, but why did she 1:34:41.520 --> 1:34:43.840 not stay with her original family? Did she continue to 1:34:43.920 --> 1:34:45.960 hurt her brother like she needed to be with this 1:34:46.080 --> 1:34:46.840 Nancy woman. 1:34:47.360 --> 1:34:48.360 Like there is just. 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:50.599 A lot of questions that I still have of, yeah, 1:34:50.600 --> 1:34:53.120 how this works, because it's you can't change being a 1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:55.800 psycho or sociopath, right, Like that's what Beadie Wong said. 1:34:55.800 --> 1:34:56.880 There's no cure for this. 1:34:57.520 --> 1:35:01.200 Right, So I think in this documentar, I'm going to 1:35:01.200 --> 1:35:03.000 get into this right now, because I think a lot 1:35:03.000 --> 1:35:06.160 of times people are very reticent, like bed Wong's character, 1:35:06.560 --> 1:35:10.000 to label kids psychopaths. They're like, oh, they have a 1:35:10.160 --> 1:35:13.360 reactive attachment disorder. Sometimes it can be forms of autism, 1:35:13.439 --> 1:35:16.479 sometimes it can be other kind of behavioral disorders. And 1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:21.000 so they're very reticent to ever put that label on kids. 1:35:21.000 --> 1:35:22.040 And that's why he does it. 1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:25.000 And in the next episode two, there's a lot of like, 1:35:25.160 --> 1:35:27.160 I don't know if I would say, you know whatever 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:29.920 when they were because they don't want to label children 1:35:29.960 --> 1:35:32.840 this way. So anyway, here's a little bit of information 1:35:32.880 --> 1:35:35.120 about child psychopaths. This article that came out in the 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:36.640 Atlantic in twenty seventeen. 1:35:36.840 --> 1:35:38.080 I really thought it was earlier. 1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:40.000 Maybe it was republished, but it's called When Your Child 1:35:40.120 --> 1:35:42.439 Is a Psychopath. It's going to be in the show notes. 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:46.679 But it's so fucking interesting. It follows like a bunch 1:35:46.680 --> 1:35:49.720 of cases of kids who are psychopaths or have been 1:35:50.200 --> 1:35:53.640 essentially deemed that how do we decide who is a psychopath? 1:35:53.800 --> 1:35:57.320 So there is a psychopathy checklist that is called the 1:35:57.360 --> 1:36:01.519 PCLR because it's been revised, so it's the Psychothapy Checklist. 1:36:01.960 --> 1:36:04.439 Dash are in the r is for the revision. They 1:36:04.640 --> 1:36:09.880 basically grade you on twenty items. Glibness and superficial charm, 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:14.200 grandiose self, sense of self worth, need for stimulation or 1:36:14.200 --> 1:36:18.840 proneness to boredom, pathological lying, conning and manipulation, lack of 1:36:18.880 --> 1:36:24.080 remorse or guilt, shallow affect, callous lack of empathy, parasitic lifestyle, 1:36:24.200 --> 1:36:29.080 poor behavioral controls, promiscuous sexual behavior, early behavior problems, lack 1:36:29.120 --> 1:36:33.240 of realistic long term goals, impulsivity, irresponsibility, failure to accept 1:36:33.240 --> 1:36:39.240 responsibility for own actions, many short term marital relationships, juvenile delinquency, 1:36:39.560 --> 1:36:43.960 revocation of conditional release, and criminal versatility. So those are 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:47.720 twenty points and they rate them on zero, one or two. 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:50.560 Zero is not presenting, one is partial, and two is 1:36:50.600 --> 1:36:53.200 a reasonably good match. So the max score you can 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:56.360 get is forty and thirty is the cutoff for psychopathy, 1:36:56.439 --> 1:36:58.760 So if you score a thirty or above, you're a 1:36:58.760 --> 1:37:02.760 psychopath according to this checklist. There is also a Psychopathy 1:37:02.880 --> 1:37:06.960 Checklist youth version. That's the PCLYV, which is an adaptation 1:37:07.200 --> 1:37:10.360 of the PCLR for thirteen to eighteen year olds. Then 1:37:10.439 --> 1:37:13.960 for even younger than that, there is the Anti Social 1:37:14.160 --> 1:37:18.600 Processed Screening Device APSD, which is an adaptation of the 1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:21.560 checklist that can be administered by parents or teachers for 1:37:21.720 --> 1:37:25.240 six to thirteen year olds. Because like obviously short term marriages, 1:37:25.320 --> 1:37:28.720 juvenile delinquency, could like revocation of release, there's a few 1:37:28.760 --> 1:37:30.680 of these things that don't apply to children because they 1:37:30.680 --> 1:37:34.000 don't have criminal records. Here are some interesting results of 1:37:34.000 --> 1:37:37.000 people who took the test based on cases that we 1:37:37.080 --> 1:37:41.759 have covered. Canadian serial killer Paul Bernardo and Carla Hamoca. 1:37:42.040 --> 1:37:45.200 They took the checklist test. Bernardo was evaluated at a 1:37:45.200 --> 1:37:49.679 thirty five, well within the psychopath. Hamoka five out of forty, 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:53.800 so she was not a psychopath. She was just with 1:37:53.840 --> 1:37:54.560 a psychopath. 1:37:54.720 --> 1:37:58.759 Well, what's wild that you cover this episode or because 1:37:59.280 --> 1:38:01.640 while you're talking about Beth Thomas, that reminded me of 1:38:01.640 --> 1:38:05.759 Aria Grainer's character in Damaged and the Damaged episodes based 1:38:05.800 --> 1:38:07.559 on the you know, yeah, what is it? 1:38:07.640 --> 1:38:09.680 Not the Hollywood Killer, the Hotti. 1:38:09.479 --> 1:38:11.920 The Barbie and Ken killers, but Ken and Barbie killers 1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:12.800 is what they were called. 1:38:12.880 --> 1:38:15.000 Oh my gosh, but wonder people were. 1:38:15.040 --> 1:38:17.880 Really mad that she got out of prison and how 1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:18.960 much was she involved? 1:38:19.000 --> 1:38:21.120 So this is interesting to see that she's, you know, 1:38:21.360 --> 1:38:21.760 to be a. 1:38:21.680 --> 1:38:25.240 Psychopath and then like Ted Bundy thirty nine out of forty, 1:38:25.280 --> 1:38:28.160 that makes sense. Jeffrey Dahmer twenty three out of forty. 1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:32.880 He doesn't even test into psychopath. John Wayne Gacy twenty 1:38:32.920 --> 1:38:36.160 seven out of forty. Brian David Mitchell, who was the 1:38:36.160 --> 1:38:39.000 guy who kidnapped Elizabeth Smart, thirty four out of forty. 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:41.920 Gary Widray, the Green River killer who was married to 1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:44.200 a woman the entire time, who was like, he was 1:38:44.240 --> 1:38:46.479 a lovely husband and did nothing wrong to me ever, 1:38:46.840 --> 1:38:49.160 got a nineteen out of forty. He's the most prolific 1:38:49.200 --> 1:38:50.920 serial killer, I believe from the United States. 1:38:50.920 --> 1:38:51.880 He's killed hundreds of. 1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:56.840 People, Eileen Warnos thirty two out of forty. So she's 1:38:56.880 --> 1:39:00.000 with But Eileen Warnos is an example, so much trauma 1:39:00.240 --> 1:39:01.160 has happened to her. 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:01.479 You know. 1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:02.400 So. 1:39:03.320 --> 1:39:06.800 The Atlantic had this article, like I said, and in it, 1:39:06.880 --> 1:39:10.120 the author writes that quote researchers shy away from calling 1:39:10.200 --> 1:39:13.120 children's psychopaths. The term carries too much stigma and too 1:39:13.200 --> 1:39:16.519 much determinism. They prefer to describe these children's as having 1:39:16.600 --> 1:39:20.200 quote callous and unemotional traits end quote shorthand for a 1:39:20.200 --> 1:39:23.200 cluster of characteristics and behaviors, including a lack of empathy, 1:39:23.240 --> 1:39:27.080 remorse or guilt, shallow emotions, aggression and even cruelty, and 1:39:27.120 --> 1:39:30.760 a seeming indifference to punishment. Callous and unemotional children have 1:39:30.840 --> 1:39:33.000 no trouble hurting others to get what they want. If 1:39:33.040 --> 1:39:35.360 they do seem caring or empathetic, they're probably trying to 1:39:35.400 --> 1:39:40.360 manipulate you. End of quote. The article also states that 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:43.479 more than fifty studies have found that kids with callous 1:39:43.479 --> 1:39:47.080 and emotional traits are more likely than other kids. One 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:50.280 study says three times more likely to become criminals or 1:39:50.320 --> 1:39:53.960 display aggressive or psychopathic traits later in life. And so 1:39:54.160 --> 1:39:57.240 while adult psychopaths constitute only a tiny fraction of the 1:39:57.280 --> 1:40:00.280 general population. Studies suggests that they commit half of all 1:40:00.360 --> 1:40:04.759 violent crimes. So even though psychopaths are like it's a small, 1:40:04.800 --> 1:40:08.000 tiny percentage, half of the crimes are committed by them, 1:40:08.800 --> 1:40:09.759 which is nuts. 1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:10.599 Well that makes sense. 1:40:10.920 --> 1:40:15.120 Yeah, So these others are just you know, cheating husbands 1:40:15.200 --> 1:40:16.599 and wives getting shot at. 1:40:16.680 --> 1:40:19.479 Yeah, or crimes of passion. Yeah, people have napping me 1:40:19.800 --> 1:40:21.120 read Yeah, totally. 1:40:21.880 --> 1:40:25.360 The article talks about how there's nature and nurture to psychopathy. 1:40:25.479 --> 1:40:28.200 Some people become this way because of traumas and other 1:40:28.240 --> 1:40:32.200 things that we've discussed for others. It's quote highly hereditary, 1:40:32.600 --> 1:40:35.920 hardwired in the brain end quote, and no amount of 1:40:35.960 --> 1:40:38.200 parental love is going to change it or fix it. 1:40:38.400 --> 1:40:41.479 So honestly, I just want to like read this whole 1:40:41.520 --> 1:40:43.880 article out loud on the podcast. It's so interesting, but 1:40:43.920 --> 1:40:45.600 it's one of those very long ones that takes like 1:40:45.640 --> 1:40:47.680 a few subway rides to read, so I'll let you 1:40:47.720 --> 1:40:49.880 guys read it yourselves. It is in there, but just 1:40:50.000 --> 1:40:55.080 interesting plot points about how you determine a psychopath and 1:40:55.120 --> 1:40:58.720 how scary we are as a society, very hesitant to 1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:02.240 ever like label children that not a guest vusv is 1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:03.280 just like born psychopath. 1:41:03.320 --> 1:41:06.920 That's what's happening. Well, it's just really scary. 1:41:07.000 --> 1:41:09.519 And you know a lot of times, you know, as 1:41:09.560 --> 1:41:12.920 a child free person, I peruse the Instagram accounts and 1:41:13.080 --> 1:41:16.759 get in the comments and oftentimes the whole thing with parents, 1:41:16.840 --> 1:41:18.720 and I do bits about it. But it's like, if 1:41:18.720 --> 1:41:21.400 you don't have kids, you'll never understand unconditional love. Or 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:23.599 it's like who's gonna take care of you when you're old? 1:41:23.720 --> 1:41:25.639 Or what about this? And it's the most beautiful thing, 1:41:25.680 --> 1:41:28.240 and it's like or your kid could be a born psychopath? 1:41:28.680 --> 1:41:29.840 Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:41:30.000 --> 1:41:32.160 I just think that sometimes people are living in a 1:41:32.240 --> 1:41:34.400 dreamland when you decide to have children, where it's like 1:41:34.760 --> 1:41:36.479 I'm gonna have a kid and they're gonna be perfect, 1:41:36.520 --> 1:41:37.880 and then they're gonna take care of me when I'm 1:41:37.880 --> 1:41:40.519 older and we're gonna and it's like no, yeah, or 1:41:40.560 --> 1:41:41.840 your kid can like stab you? 1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:43.880 How about that? And are you ready for that? 1:41:44.439 --> 1:41:47.559 I just I find it when parents are trying to 1:41:47.600 --> 1:41:51.880 convince other people to have kids in these accounts and 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:55.200 they come with such anger and it's like you never know, 1:41:55.560 --> 1:41:57.759 you never know, and you have I ready for every 1:41:57.840 --> 1:41:59.599 kind of way your child can be born. 1:41:59.840 --> 1:42:02.240 I'm interested, Yes, that's true, and I'm. 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:06.440 Interested in how many of the children that are considered 1:42:06.760 --> 1:42:12.639 psychopaths or tending towards psychopathy, how many have a legitimate trauma, 1:42:12.680 --> 1:42:15.120 and how many are just born that way, because like 1:42:15.160 --> 1:42:18.920 in this article they talk about kids that just this 1:42:19.040 --> 1:42:19.760 is just how they are. 1:42:19.920 --> 1:42:21.360 But they also I've. 1:42:21.200 --> 1:42:24.960 Read this book called The Psychopath Test by Michael Ronson 1:42:25.000 --> 1:42:25.320 as well. 1:42:25.360 --> 1:42:27.639 I am very into this, as you can tell. 1:42:27.880 --> 1:42:31.400 But they like there's people there are grown adults that 1:42:31.680 --> 1:42:34.320 know that they're psychopaths and they have they since they 1:42:34.360 --> 1:42:36.320 had such a loving family that worked with them from 1:42:36.360 --> 1:42:39.600 a young age. They just figure out ways to like 1:42:39.720 --> 1:42:44.280 work to not channel their psychopathy into violence. Like there's way, 1:42:44.360 --> 1:42:46.559 Like I remember reading this story about this guy who 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:49.360 was just like he heard a story where everybody was 1:42:49.400 --> 1:42:50.800 supposed to feel sad, and he was like, yeah, I 1:42:50.800 --> 1:42:53.160 just didn't feel sad. Like, you know, there's he doesn't 1:42:53.200 --> 1:42:56.320 always have to end up being like a killer. You're 1:42:56.439 --> 1:42:59.760 killing because violence is like something that you're prone to 1:42:59.880 --> 1:43:01.840 or you're lead you're you know, if you're kept away 1:43:01.880 --> 1:43:04.439 from violence. And really, like this guy was like, I 1:43:04.439 --> 1:43:05.400 live a totally normal life. 1:43:05.400 --> 1:43:06.479 I have a wife, I have a job. 1:43:06.680 --> 1:43:09.720 I'm like, I test onto this with the checklist, I 1:43:09.840 --> 1:43:10.800 test as a psychopath. 1:43:10.920 --> 1:43:13.439 Yes, but does he love his wife? I don't know, 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:14.400 can you feel love? 1:43:15.760 --> 1:43:20.160 Or the two psychopaths just fucking who knows? Hopefully she's 1:43:20.200 --> 1:43:23.400 a psycho too. It just seems so scary. 1:43:23.960 --> 1:43:27.320 Yeah, and there will be obviously less psychopaths, the less 1:43:27.320 --> 1:43:30.120 that there are horrible people that are just traumatizing children 1:43:30.160 --> 1:43:32.720 at young ages as well, But that's for. 1:43:32.680 --> 1:43:36.479 Another talks of like narcissists that are in therapy, and 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:38.760 they'll be like, as a narcissist, I do this and that, 1:43:38.840 --> 1:43:40.720 and this is how we do this and manipulate you 1:43:40.760 --> 1:43:44.320 to do this and just like aware of it. Yeah, 1:43:44.320 --> 1:43:45.800 but you need so much you need to have a 1:43:45.840 --> 1:43:48.480 fucking penthouse. That's what sucks about the parents in the episode. 1:43:48.680 --> 1:43:50.800 They had all the resources and chows not to do 1:43:50.840 --> 1:43:53.840 it for like superficial reasons. And if maybe they did 1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:56.880 intervene sooner, who knows. 1:43:57.120 --> 1:44:01.439 Hmm, I don't know. Well that's that. 1:44:01.920 --> 1:44:05.280 And isn't that psychopath book the tests isn't it uh 1:44:05.920 --> 1:44:08.240 like one in twenty people or is a psychopath or 1:44:08.240 --> 1:44:09.600 one in twenty five people. 1:44:10.000 --> 1:44:11.360 Is a sociopath or something. 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:13.920 Oh maybe he talks about the difference between sociopaths and 1:44:13.960 --> 1:44:14.599 psychopath Oh. 1:44:14.560 --> 1:44:18.559 Yeah, sociopath next door. That's what I think. I think 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:20.160 their claim is like one in twenty or one in 1:44:20.240 --> 1:44:24.080 twenty five people are a socio. Wow, which seems scary. 1:44:24.160 --> 1:44:26.360 I google it like probably once every six months, the 1:44:26.360 --> 1:44:28.479 difference between a sociopath and a psychopath. It's like, I'll 1:44:28.520 --> 1:44:31.240 get it and then I'll just completely like not remember it. 1:44:31.840 --> 1:44:34.559 Oh to me, it's so seo and psycho or the same, 1:44:34.600 --> 1:44:38.240 except psychos act on it like a socio feels nothing, 1:44:38.880 --> 1:44:40.840 and so does a psychopath. But then a psychopath then 1:44:40.920 --> 1:44:41.839 murders and tortures. 1:44:43.000 --> 1:44:46.160 Hmm, but not necessarily because I read about this guy 1:44:46.160 --> 1:44:48.479 who's like, I'm a psychopath and I'm living a normal life. 1:44:48.720 --> 1:44:50.799 I don't know. Let's move on. 1:44:50.760 --> 1:44:54.080 To our post mortem since we will not be having 1:44:54.120 --> 1:45:00.960 a guest in solidarity for sag Aftra and the WGA. 1:45:01.880 --> 1:45:05.040 Yep, hey, a post mortem with no guest. We are 1:45:05.160 --> 1:45:09.920 genre bending here. That's messed up an SVU podcast. 1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:14.120 Basically, what did we learn from this episode. 1:45:13.640 --> 1:45:17.160 About that parents are bad? Not everyone should be allowed 1:45:17.160 --> 1:45:18.960 to procreate. I'm with China. 1:45:19.120 --> 1:45:19.439 Limit. 1:45:19.600 --> 1:45:24.240 You gotta limit, you gotta limit. I'm into four sterilizations. 1:45:24.240 --> 1:45:25.479 That's what I get one. 1:45:25.680 --> 1:45:27.120 You just get one shot. 1:45:27.720 --> 1:45:30.600 Honestly, No, if you're like these parents, you should not 1:45:30.640 --> 1:45:33.240 be allowed to have kids and pip a coocks come 1:45:33.320 --> 1:45:36.600 on just because they're rich. It's a nice house, like 1:45:37.080 --> 1:45:39.839 the Ruby's in danger. No one cared about Ruby. Nobody, 1:45:39.880 --> 1:45:40.240 I know. 1:45:40.680 --> 1:45:41.400 You know what I learned. 1:45:41.400 --> 1:45:43.760 Sexism is alive and real in your own fucking home. 1:45:43.840 --> 1:45:46.479 That's what I learned. This girl is being thrown down 1:45:46.479 --> 1:45:51.800 the stairs. She's being abused, she is injured, she has bruises, 1:45:51.920 --> 1:45:55.800 her head hurts, there's matches, and it's like, well, we 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:58.559 don't want him to be labeled like it is. 1:45:58.760 --> 1:46:00.960 It is Bonker's watch this episode. 1:46:01.080 --> 1:46:03.840 How little the parents care about their daughter and how 1:46:03.880 --> 1:46:07.639 this son will cut this mom's cut her and she's 1:46:07.680 --> 1:46:08.479 like it's my fault. 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:11.760 Please, he's fine, and it's like he just stabbed you. 1:46:12.400 --> 1:46:14.439 It's so funny because my sister and I talk about 1:46:14.439 --> 1:46:16.439 this all the time because she's a teacher and like 1:46:17.040 --> 1:46:20.200 parents now will always be like, well my kid didn't 1:46:20.240 --> 1:46:23.519 do anything, and like my parents, whenever the school called 1:46:23.560 --> 1:46:25.640 them immediately, we're on the side of the teachers. Like 1:46:25.680 --> 1:46:27.280 even if I was like, mom, though, that's not how 1:46:27.280 --> 1:46:29.000 it happened, she'd be like, don't care. 1:46:29.200 --> 1:46:31.719 The school called the teacher said this. I believe the teachers. 1:46:31.800 --> 1:46:35.400 Like that's how my parents always were, so like, I 1:46:35.520 --> 1:46:37.519 feel like it's such a big shift to this, like 1:46:37.800 --> 1:46:42.200 the to the more modern day of like, yeah, I 1:46:42.240 --> 1:46:45.000 know he's okay, I know he started a fire, but 1:46:45.240 --> 1:46:47.080 that he did not mean to do that, and he like, 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:49.720 you know, just like excusing your kid's behavior and like 1:46:49.760 --> 1:46:52.800 always thinking that it's an out it's like an external 1:46:53.600 --> 1:46:55.840 excuse and not like that your kid's just like doing 1:46:55.880 --> 1:46:56.439 something bad. 1:46:56.640 --> 1:46:59.280 Well, and I know that you're lying because I know 1:46:59.400 --> 1:47:02.080 that you know you're kid is an asshole. Like this 1:47:02.200 --> 1:47:05.360 idea of like not my kid, it's like, you know 1:47:05.439 --> 1:47:07.639 it's your kid. Isn't that why you need a drink 1:47:07.640 --> 1:47:10.479 wine at night? Like, well, fine line to me. 1:47:11.200 --> 1:47:14.559 I feel like a little bit subtly they they were 1:47:14.760 --> 1:47:15.599 they were a little bit. 1:47:15.520 --> 1:47:18.080 Too subtle with the dad. I feel like the dad. 1:47:18.760 --> 1:47:22.200 Was the reason the mom was like doing so much hiding, 1:47:22.200 --> 1:47:23.920 because you could tell the mom was scared. She was 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:25.920 like sometimes I do hate him, and then he slashed 1:47:25.960 --> 1:47:28.360 her with a fucking knife. Like and then when we go, 1:47:28.880 --> 1:47:31.280 you know, spoiler alert, we are covering the second half, 1:47:31.720 --> 1:47:34.800 and like the he gets his new wife fully on board, 1:47:34.840 --> 1:47:35.720 even though she's not. 1:47:35.920 --> 1:47:37.320 Like I think, we get a lot. 1:47:37.400 --> 1:47:38.920 We get a lot of the feeling that the dad 1:47:39.000 --> 1:47:41.040 is probably like, no, I won't label him, and this 1:47:41.080 --> 1:47:42.679 and that, and that the dad's more in the driver's 1:47:42.680 --> 1:47:45.120 seat of it, and the mom is just like what 1:47:45.320 --> 1:47:48.760 But maybe I'm just being an apology a Hope Davis apologist. 1:47:49.760 --> 1:47:52.400 No. Well, it's interesting because he kept saying that he 1:47:52.439 --> 1:47:54.679 has rage issues. Okay, so this was just a clip 1:47:54.720 --> 1:47:57.640 from a podcast on like YouTube shorts, so please do 1:47:57.720 --> 1:48:00.000 not you know this is in Bible. 1:48:00.720 --> 1:48:02.919 But where did that come from? Bible? 1:48:03.760 --> 1:48:06.760 The Kardashians. Oh my god, I kind of like it. It 1:48:06.800 --> 1:48:09.920 might be my new thing. So it was the first 1:48:09.920 --> 1:48:12.639 time I said it, and it made me feel rich. 1:48:14.200 --> 1:48:18.320 So I saw a clip where a professor was teaching 1:48:18.320 --> 1:48:24.920 about psychopaths and he was doing like brain wave testing 1:48:25.439 --> 1:48:29.240 with like they were going to test brain activity, but 1:48:29.320 --> 1:48:32.040 they needed a control group, so everyone in the class 1:48:32.080 --> 1:48:34.600 and then the professor did brain scans to have a 1:48:34.680 --> 1:48:37.640 control group, and then one brain was like, oh, this 1:48:37.760 --> 1:48:38.560 is a psychopath. 1:48:38.640 --> 1:48:40.320 Fuck. And then the professor. 1:48:40.080 --> 1:48:43.240 Checked who it was and it was him and he 1:48:43.400 --> 1:48:48.280 was a psychopath, and he was like, oh that makes sense. 1:48:48.960 --> 1:48:51.200 And he started kind of going through it and it 1:48:51.280 --> 1:48:53.639 is wild because he's never acted on it and he's 1:48:53.720 --> 1:48:56.280 not a killer and he didn't murder, and you have 1:48:56.360 --> 1:48:58.880 to be a psychopath, like you have to do you 1:48:58.880 --> 1:49:02.400 have to commit crime to considered a psychopath. But he 1:49:02.920 --> 1:49:05.560 said something like when people were at dinner talking, he 1:49:05.600 --> 1:49:07.960 would just wish they would all leave and die, and 1:49:08.040 --> 1:49:11.879 like he would think these things, but even the professor 1:49:11.920 --> 1:49:13.479 didn't put it together that he was a psycho. 1:49:13.920 --> 1:49:16.760 There are people like that in this will lead us 1:49:16.840 --> 1:49:19.200 right into our what would sister peg do? But there 1:49:19.200 --> 1:49:20.760 are people like that in the article that I talked 1:49:20.800 --> 1:49:24.160 about in the episode, like the guys that are like, oh, yeah, 1:49:24.439 --> 1:49:26.680 I ended up taking this test and it turns out 1:49:26.680 --> 1:49:27.400 I'm a psychopath. 1:49:27.439 --> 1:49:28.840 But I've never done anything violent. 1:49:28.920 --> 1:49:31.600 And but I do recognize some of the thoughts I 1:49:31.680 --> 1:49:34.040 have are like someone will tell me a story and 1:49:34.040 --> 1:49:35.160 I'll be like I don't care. I don't have no 1:49:35.200 --> 1:49:37.519 empathy for that, Like the like there's there's nothing is 1:49:37.520 --> 1:49:40.679 making me feel anything about this story. And he figured 1:49:40.680 --> 1:49:44.559 out that he's on the psychopath scale. But not this 1:49:44.720 --> 1:49:46.840 article is really interesting. Let me let me get into it. 1:49:46.880 --> 1:49:48.120 So what would sester peg do? 1:49:48.200 --> 1:49:52.000 This way more good Taylor Swift news. Not only did 1:49:52.040 --> 1:49:54.800 she give bonuses to all her crew, you know, totaling 1:49:54.840 --> 1:49:57.479 fifty five million dollars, it's come out that she's been 1:49:57.520 --> 1:50:01.760 giving such giant donations at food pantries at every city 1:50:01.840 --> 1:50:05.160 she goes to that like in San Francisco, half a 1:50:05.200 --> 1:50:09.680 million people can eat a month for a year, Like 1:50:09.800 --> 1:50:11.880 half a million people per month for a year will 1:50:11.880 --> 1:50:14.720 be able to eat because of Taylor Swift's donations. These 1:50:14.720 --> 1:50:17.040 food banks say it's the biggest donations they've ever gotten 1:50:17.080 --> 1:50:19.800 from anyone or entity, but any ever. 1:50:20.439 --> 1:50:22.160 That's awesome, that's awesome. 1:50:22.200 --> 1:50:24.640 Yeah, that's always been my dream to be able to 1:50:24.840 --> 1:50:28.639 like hook up with shelters and stuff when I tour, but. 1:50:30.160 --> 1:50:31.679 Never never done it. Cool. 1:50:31.720 --> 1:50:33.840 I hope this inspires a lot of people. And then 1:50:33.880 --> 1:50:35.880 of course I read Beyonce has been doing this this 1:50:35.960 --> 1:50:40.680 whole time. Just no, it's you know, white supremacy always. Yeah, 1:50:40.840 --> 1:50:42.519 Beyonce is just not in the convo. 1:50:42.760 --> 1:50:45.720 It's it's wild. I just saw something on. 1:50:45.720 --> 1:50:48.040 Insta where it was just like everyone's just like Barbee 1:50:48.160 --> 1:50:51.280 Taylor feminism, and it's like, okay, is Beyonce not changing 1:50:51.320 --> 1:50:55.280 economies and making billions too? I just I don't get 1:50:55.320 --> 1:50:57.479 why how people don't see it, but whatever. 1:50:58.360 --> 1:51:01.160 And it is Virgo season, which means you've recently had 1:51:01.160 --> 1:51:04.400 a birthday. Beyonce's recently had a birthday. I'm having my 1:51:04.439 --> 1:51:08.120 birthday coming up. We're we're in our virgo. 1:51:07.880 --> 1:51:10.439 Season, baby, So Ludacris is a virgo. 1:51:11.120 --> 1:51:14.679 Okay, important, Michelle Visage, we have the same birthday. 1:51:14.760 --> 1:51:18.880 Well, Luda's SVU. That's why. Oh Yeahdvsage should be SVU. 1:51:19.000 --> 1:51:19.720 Let's get her on. 1:51:20.920 --> 1:51:23.120 But I could see, you know, if we're saying any anyone, 1:51:23.160 --> 1:51:24.200 I'll say Richard Gear. 1:51:24.360 --> 1:51:30.200 You know, we've definitely talked to other guests and been like, 1:51:30.280 --> 1:51:31.280 so you're a virgo. 1:51:32.000 --> 1:51:34.160 Okay, let's get into what would sister Peg do. 1:51:34.439 --> 1:51:36.679 This is our weekly segment where we point you guys 1:51:36.720 --> 1:51:41.879 to an article, a blog post, a charitable organization, something, 1:51:42.000 --> 1:51:44.080 a doc, something to give you more info about what 1:51:44.120 --> 1:51:46.600 we talked about. And I'm obviously pointing you today to 1:51:46.600 --> 1:51:48.960 the article that I can't stop talking about. I'm obsessed 1:51:48.960 --> 1:51:51.720 with it. It's from twenty seventeen. It's from the Atlantic 1:51:51.760 --> 1:51:53.960 and it's called When Your Child Is a Psychopath by 1:51:53.960 --> 1:51:56.840 Barbara Bradley Haggerty. I read this when it first came out. 1:51:56.880 --> 1:51:59.560 I'm planning to reread it. It's up in my bookmarks 1:51:59.600 --> 1:52:00.000 right now. 1:52:00.000 --> 1:52:00.240 Well. 1:52:00.400 --> 1:52:03.120 It's an article that goes in depth on several cases 1:52:03.120 --> 1:52:07.000 of child psychopaths, and it explores the Mendota Juveniles Treatment 1:52:07.040 --> 1:52:10.719 Center in Madison, Wisconsin that is attempting to treat violent youths. 1:52:10.720 --> 1:52:12.599 And you can find the link to that in our 1:52:12.640 --> 1:52:15.120 show notes because I reference parts of it in the article. 1:52:15.160 --> 1:52:17.679 But you can also always find out what would Sister 1:52:17.720 --> 1:52:22.559 peg dos in our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram where 1:52:22.600 --> 1:52:23.479 we save them forever. 1:52:24.280 --> 1:52:27.680 Thank you so much. I really appreciate you saying that. 1:52:27.920 --> 1:52:30.519 And you did mention Madison. And is it trashy if 1:52:30.560 --> 1:52:33.960 we say we are coming back to Madison And next 1:52:33.960 --> 1:52:38.559 week's episode is post graduate Psychopath? Are you shocked or not? 1:52:38.720 --> 1:52:41.160 It is a two parter bang bang back and forth. 1:52:41.240 --> 1:52:45.320 Let's do this season twenty two, episode fourteen. 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