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Speaker 2: What is going on everybody? How are we doing? John

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Speaker 2: Middlecock three and out podcast recording Sunday night, watch the

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Speaker 2: LENCAA tournament this weekend, play a little golf, and said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, let's record a podcast for Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: I didn't record along with Colin. It's like, I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of juicing to get some takes out there and some

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Speaker 2: stuff happened. Do you want to dive into some of

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Speaker 2: the dominoes that are falling with the quarterbacks and the

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Speaker 2: The Bengals signing their guys claim they're not cheap, but

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Speaker 2: let's dive into the numbers. And then George Foreman passed away.

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Speaker 2: those Bengals who day, I did want to talk about

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Speaker 2: the signing of Jameis Winston to the Giants and what

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Speaker 2: I think that's signals, And I think part of the

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Speaker 2: I would say the setup of the NFL. You know,

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Speaker 2: in basketball, the draft comes before free agency. Now, because

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Speaker 2: free agency is so much more powerful with their names,

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Speaker 2: the draft usually doesn't impact you. In football, it has

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Speaker 2: a big impact now. Every once in a while you

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Speaker 2: see a team sign Kirk Cousins and give him a

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Speaker 2: question marks with some teams. What are you going to do?

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Speaker 2: think it's my educated guess. Well, Kirk Cousins will end

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Speaker 2: He knows from a business standpoint, it's not good to

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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders number three overall, you literally can do anything

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Speaker 2: you never know, doesn't mean you have to sign someone

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Speaker 2: to like put in hard work to generate. You're part

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Speaker 2: And this this is just from wikiped but it's pretty

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Speaker 2: grew up around not having it, and definitely as you

429
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Speaker 2: got to college in the early to mid two thousands,

430
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Speaker 2: it was a staple of every house, mainly because it

431
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Speaker 2: just worked and it was really easy. I mean, it's

432
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Speaker 2: actually one of the more practical inventions in recent memory.

433
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Speaker 2: And then doing the deep dive, you realize that, like

434
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Speaker 2: all these other celebrities tried to copy it. Evander Holyfield

435
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: had this thing like the lean mean grilling machine. Clearly

436
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: that didn't work. Jackie Chan tried one, A bunch of

437
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Speaker 2: famous people tried it, but nothing was like this. And

438
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Speaker 2: the worldwide popularity of the George Foreman grill has resulted

439
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: in sales this from wiki of over one hundred million

440
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Speaker 2: units since at first launch. I chat gpted it because

441
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember and it's a long time ago how

442
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Speaker 2: much George Foreman grills were going for, and there were

443
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Speaker 2: different models, but basically forty nine ninety nine to eighty

444
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: nine ninety nine selling over one hundred million units. Although

445
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Speaker 2: Foreman never confirmed exactly how much he earned from his endorsement,

446
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Speaker 2: Salton Inc. Paid him one hundred and thirty eight million

447
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine in order to buy out the

448
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Speaker 2: right to use his name. So in nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: This invention started in the early I think ninety three

450
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Speaker 2: or ninety four, and he had become he had gotten

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Speaker 2: royalties of it over those six or seven years, and

452
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Speaker 2: then in nineteen ninety nine he was paid one hundred

453
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Speaker 2: and thirty eight million dollars. I mean, it's a big

454
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Speaker 2: deal now when Miles Garrett gets one hundred and thirty

455
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 2: million dollars, one hundred and thirty eight million dollars in

456
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine. But here's the thing. Previous to that,

457
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: he was being paid about forty percent of the profits

458
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: of each grill sold, earning him about four point five

459
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: million dollars a month at its peak. So there was

460
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Speaker 2: a period of time, whether it was a year, a

461
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Speaker 2: couple of years, he was making four to five and

462
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: he said on the Instagram thing, He's like, I was

463
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Speaker 2: making five million dollars a month. And then he eventually

464
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 2: bought out for one hundred and forty million dollars. So

465
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Speaker 2: it's estimated he made well over two hundred million dollars

466
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Speaker 2: from his endorsement, a sum that is substantially more than

467
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Speaker 2: he earned as a boxer. Obviously, he didn't earn that

468
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Speaker 2: much as a boxer because in the seventies they weren't

469
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Speaker 2: paying big freights. But and you know, George Foreman was

470
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Speaker 2: a guy he lost to Ali and he never got

471
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472
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Speaker 2: who obviously had some legendary fights with Muhammad Ali as well.

473
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Speaker 2: But I think when we talk about influencers, and that's

474
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Speaker 2: just a trendy term because it's real. I mean that

475
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: there are people that push a lot of product as

476
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Speaker 2: just quote unquote influence concers on YouTube, on Instagram, on TikTok.

477
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: I mean, there's part of our show that you know

478
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: there's an influencer element, but that's that's just the nature

479
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Speaker 2: of the business. In as a podcaster, which used to

480
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Speaker 2: be radio of the audio medium, but just someone who

481
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Speaker 2: doesn't have a podcast or take TV star or whatever,

482
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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just a human and I'm just pushing

483
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Speaker 2: a product. You could argue George Furman's one of the

484
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Speaker 2: greatest salesmen in the history of America and the business

485
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486
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487
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Speaker 2: start with with Lauren. Am I the only one who

543
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: thinks the conversation around Dion becoming a coach in the

544
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Speaker 2: NFL is a bit ridiculous. All the credit in the

545
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Speaker 2: world for turning around an embarrassing program in just one season,

546
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: but two first season didn't go that well. But I

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Speaker 2: hear you, No, Sean, I enjoyed watching Colorado, but the

548
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: idea of him taking over an NFL head coaching job

549
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: seems kind of nuts. Schematically, he doesn't bring much to

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Speaker 2: the table, and I think most of his success in

551
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: college comes from his ability to recruit top talent though

552
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: his fame and notoriety, plus I find it hard to

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Speaker 2: imagine NFL players responding well to his leadership style. Do

554
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: you think this is just immediate driven conversation or do

555
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Speaker 2: you actually see real value in hiring him as a

556
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Speaker 2: head coach? Also, could that affect Shador's draft status? No, uh,

557
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: I don't think Dion's impact store people geta draft because

558
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: I think he can play, you know, I think the

559
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: Dion impacts a little overrated unless he like you know,

560
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: pulled an Archie Manning, but just like him around, I

561
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: don't think has much, if any impact. Uh. I would

562
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: say that Dion shot that downon I mean, Dian I

563
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: had to talk with Jerry Jones, who he's known for

564
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: thirty plus years, right when he signed there in whatever

565
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: ninety five ninety six. Dion says he has no desires

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Speaker 2: to coach in the NFL. He does not want to

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Speaker 2: do that, and and I forget you know exactly what

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00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: he said, but like part of it, like what he

569
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: brings the table is the impact if you watch, you know,

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00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: I fall Colorado on social media and stuff like his

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Speaker 2: His impact and the stuff he likes talking about is

572
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: much closer to I don't know, the Sabans and the

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00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: you know, he played for Bobby Bowden. I envisioned him

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Speaker 2: being a college head coach for a long time and

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00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: I actually think they were one of the more fascinating

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Speaker 2: teams to watch this season now with Shador and Travis gone,

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00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: Like if they are good, honestly, they go seven and five,

578
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: they win eight games. I think he is getting a

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Speaker 2: job in the SEC. I mean, I would guess unless

580
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: Colorado just implodes, which I don't think they're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: You know, he brought a Marshall Fulkes now his running

582
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: back coach. Their d line was way better, while he

583
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: hired Warren Sapp. My guess is he's in the SEC

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Speaker 2: in a couple of years. So yeah, I just he

585
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: pushed back against that what's he supposed to do now?

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00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: Pick up Jerry's call, you know. I mean, but I

587
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: I envisioned him. I mean, he could he get a

588
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: job at Florida or Florida State or LSU or something

589
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: the next couple of years pays him fourteen million dollars

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00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: a year and he can pay all his buddies on

591
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: his staff huge cash. So I I envision him as

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Speaker 2: a college coach for a while, which I give him

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Speaker 2: a lot of credit for doing this. It's one thing,

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Speaker 2: the power of coaching your sons, which essentially I would

595
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Speaker 2: put Travis Hunter under that umbrella too, And that's the

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Speaker 2: way they talk about it. So Travis Chador's his sons,

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Speaker 2: quarterback Shiloh now that they're gone, I mean they're all

598
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Speaker 2: gone for him still to have the passion and if

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Speaker 2: he's gonna do this, and if he does it for

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Speaker 2: a long time, he does not need to be doing this,

601
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Speaker 2: like he's pretty rich, get So I give him a

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Speaker 2: lot of credit if he just does this for a

603
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Speaker 2: long time, because he's giving back to a game that

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Speaker 2: let's face it, a lot of super famous rich people

605
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: don't necessarily do it. I don't blame anyone if they

606
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: just want to retire and hang out. But a lot

607
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: of people could bring a lot of value and they

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00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: just refuse any of these Hall of Fame, super rich

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Speaker 2: players that either go into front offices or coaching in

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Speaker 2: college or the pros. Like that's like their love of

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Speaker 2: My question for the pod is how long do bus

613
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: quarterbacks bounce around the league until they just disappear. I

614
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: feel like the dust has settled and only people who

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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. You know, there's always a curve ball. There's

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Speaker 2: always a guy that's been a backup for a while

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Speaker 2: that gets an opportunity that excels, right. I mean, it's

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620
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Speaker 2: Plunkett was a guy who bounced around forever and then

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Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl with the Raiders. So I think

625
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: you just never know, Like could Zack Wilson or I

626
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: almost said Mac Jones, I don't even believe that. But

627
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson's probably a bad exam who else I you know,

628
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: he's getting backup jobs now, I'm trying to think. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it's very unlikely, so we could go

630
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Speaker 2: through a period of time where it does not happen.

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Speaker 2: But I would agree that where we sit here right

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633
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00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,560
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00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,680
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636
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,720
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637
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: is just a good player. Like you can't even argue Donald.

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00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: I'm pro Donald, but it's if he has a bad

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641
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: a lot in the steroid era, Like there'd be a

642
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: random dude that would hit like fifty eight bombs, Like

643
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 2: where'd that come from? It's like Mexico Horse steroids, Humble

644
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: Chiefs fan, It's clear the Eagles are on a whole

645
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: other level with that ass whooping served up in the

646
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. My question is how long do you think

647
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: the Eagles can keep this train rolling. We saw them

648
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: offload some older defensive players Sleigh Brandon Graham retired, but

649
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: have seemingly already drafted their replacements that are playing out

650
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: of their minds year one. As we saw on top

651
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 2: of Vic seemingly unlocking Jalen Carter, they locked up Barkley

652
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: and have all the other notable offensive pieces under contract

653
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: for the foreseeable future. I think the limit of this

654
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: Eagles dynasty window is completely dependent on how long the

655
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: Eagles front office is willing to keep the game together. Yeah.

656
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: I mean, they're gonna be They're gonna be really, really good.

657
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: I actually think the only question mark this upcoming season

658
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: is just the guy calling place. You know, I don't

659
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: know exactly Kevin Potolo. If I'm saying his name wrong

660
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: and he's listening, I apologize, Kevin, but listen, that's a

661
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: pretty big transition. Felt like Callen had a pretty good

662
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: feel for running the ball and Jalen and just managing

663
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: those personalities with Nick. But like the offense, I mean,

664
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of pressure in that city, and

665
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: it's like it's one of the places where there's not

666
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: like a huge celebratory You don't just get a free year,

667
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: Like if they start one and two, people would be

668
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: freaking out. So it's a it's a unique place with

669
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: the pressure, but there's no The talent on their roster

670
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: is just immense. And like you said, well they lost

671
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: some depth. You know, Darius Slay is still a solid player,

672
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: but you you weren't gonna pay him whatever fifteen million dollars.

673
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: So I would imagine they drafted another corner right that

674
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: they will need to. They'll draft defensive lineman. But like

675
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: that's Vicks kind of his go to thing, the ability

676
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: to coach those guys up and offensively, even if the

677
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: OC is a little bumpy. Their team is just so stacked.

678
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. When Jalen gets a little off kilter,

679
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 2: which he's been known to do, just hand the ball

680
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: to twenty. It's like, well, who's blocking for him, I

681
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: don't know, probably the best offensive line in the league.

682
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: It's like, that's what they have in their back pocket.

683
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: When the passing game gets weird, hand the ball off

684
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: and then hand the ball off again, and then hand

685
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: it off again. So my guess is the Eagles will

686
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: draft defensive lineman. Wouldn't shock me if they drafted a

687
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: running back at all, not super high, but like in

688
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: the third round, just to give Barkley some blows and

689
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 2: have like, get that young run. This running back class

690
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: is so deep. Have him around Saquon Barkley, let him

691
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: teach him. So yeah, I mean, I think Eagles are

692
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: gonna be good, man, I do. I think the Lions,

693
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: when they're fully healthy, you're gonna be good, you know.

694
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: I think the Vikings are just one of the great

695
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: wild cards just because we the quarterback. I don't I

696
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: don't feel comfortable saying like, yeah, they're just right there.

697
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: Like JJ McCarthy, can he just go toe to toe

698
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: with the Lions and the Eagles and the Rams. I

699
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: don't think. I wouldn't right up the Niners just yet. Uh,

700
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 2: Packers too. I mean the NFC's it's not as star

701
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: studded as the AFC with Mahomes and Josh and Lamar,

702
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: but the teams are good. I mean the teams, let's

703
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: face it, The teams in the NFC, I feel like,

704
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: are better than the teams in the a FC depth wise.

705
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: I mean, the Steelers made the playoffs. I think the

706
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: Packers are better than the Steelers, right, and that Bronco team, Like,

707
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 2: I like, now those teams are gonna be better. But like,

708
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: the Vikings were the fifth seed, the Rams were the six.

709
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: I mean the Rams were the fourth seed. Who was

710
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: the it was the Who? Am I missing? Packers? The Vikings?

711
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: And am I missing a team? Tampa? My brain's not working.

712
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 2: It's crazy. You just start some of your details. You're like, well,

713
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: who Tampa played? Yeah, they played them, they played the Rams.

714
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: I am missing the team though, because the Rams played

715
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 2: the Eagles, So that's the two seven. The Vikings played

716
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: the Rams. That was the four to five, and I

717
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: guess the Rams the Packers. It's crazy. I feel like,

718
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: like do I even follow this league? Let's do a

719
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: quick check. Who I miss? Oh? The Commanders Tampa? Yeah,

720
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: the Commanders. I forgot about the Commanders. My bad. It's

721
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: funny when you haven't been in the mix, you forgot about.

722
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: They won't be forgotten about because they're gonna be good again.

723
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: The older I get, the more practical I become. I

724
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: don't have that third beer. I gravitate to my briefs

725
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: instead of boxer briefs. I don't want my team to

726
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: always make the sexy draft pick or free agent pickup.

727
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: How do teams decide whether they swing for the fences first,

728
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: the safe depth pick? Thanks, John, Uh, that's a good question.

729
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a right or wrong answer on that,

730
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: you know, I think you allocate resources, whether it's free agency,

731
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: it's like, would we be willing to go in on this,

732
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: and then sometimes there's a bidding war and you just

733
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: pull out. I think I saw, you know, the Panthers

734
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: were all in on Milton Williams and then they got

735
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: to a number and they're just like, yeah, we're out.

736
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 2: And the Patriots went to a place that they weren't

737
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: willing to go. And I gotta be honest, like if

738
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: I was the Panthers, like, I'm not paying Milton Williams

739
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: twenty six million dollars. I'm just not doing it. The Patriots,

740
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: you could argue that, and I like Milton Williams. That

741
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: contract's crazy. You're giving a guy. I think they gave

742
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: him fifty million dollars guaranteed. He's never played more than

743
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: fifty percent of the staffs. He's like one big breakout year,

744
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: like that's sometimes you get money, Like I'll go back

745
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: to this guy mcglinchy. I remember when the Broncos a

746
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: couple years ago gave h mclinchy fifty million dollars guaranteed.

747
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's insane. But no one's ever said, you

748
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: know what, but Glinchy only plays fifty percents of snaps. No,

749
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: Glinchy was a full time starter for five years on

750
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: the San Fransco forty nine ers on a teams that

751
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: were winning. So it's like, yeah, I wouldn't want to

752
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: pay him that much money to be my starting right tackle. Hell,

753
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even want to starting right tackle. But like

754
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: I get it, Mounton Williams like, well, can you carry us?

755
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: Can you get nine sacks in a year? Can you

756
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: be a pro bowler? These aren't just unknowns, they're like unlikely.

757
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think there's probably a balance between like

758
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: drawing a line in the sand in terms of free

759
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: agency or trades, like there are probably other teams. I

760
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: heard of a really good team in the AFC, a

761
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: really good team that was talking about Laramie Tunzel. But

762
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: guess what Houston told them. They had to pay way

763
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: more than Washington had to pay for Laramie Tunzel, which

764
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: I totally understand why because we'll probably see in the playoffs. Hell,

765
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: we might play in the regular season, we play you

766
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: every year, right, we'd have to go through you, So

767
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: that team's like, well, we can't do this. It was

768
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: much easier for the Commanders, right, who probably paid I

769
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: don't know, thirty percent less to pull the trigger. Easy

770
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: move for them. For the other teams like we really

771
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: need this guy, but holy shit, that's a lot to ask.

772
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: So I think the more confident you are with your operation,

773
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: I think the more patient you are in some of

774
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: these situations. But there's not a right or wrong way

775
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: to do things, because sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

776
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: I bet there were people thinking that how he gave you, Well,

777
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna give Saquon a multi year deal last year.

778
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: I bet there are people around the league that were like,

779
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: that's a stupid deal. That's not gonna work out. Hey,

780
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: John got a mailback question about players injuries and their recovery.

781
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: It always amazes me how quickly guys in the NFL

782
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: can recover well. I was at College University in the UK.

783
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: I played D line and linebacker, for the team. God,

784
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: you guys had a little u uni as we call

785
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: it in the UK. I didn't know you guys. You

786
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: guys play American football in Europe in college even though

787
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: it's probably the least competitive level of American football. You

788
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: can play anywhere in the world, and guys are nowhere

789
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: near NFL size. Injuries are still a huge problem. After

790
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: I got a pick, I got tackled by one of

791
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: my own alignment and I fractured my kneecap and completely

792
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: tore my MCL. This took me out about a year

793
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: to recover from, and then I re injured it when

794
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: I came back for my final year. Yet NFL guys

795
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: will have similar injuries and recover in half the time.

796
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: Is it purely that NFL guys have insane genetics which

797
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: allow them to recover or is it because the top

798
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: level medical treatment they receive. Would love to hear your thoughts. Well,

799
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: I would say genetically pro athletes are the cream of

800
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: the crop right in terms of athletic genes. So I've

801
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: always been blown away by guys in college basketball, and

802
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: definitely the NBA that have these ankle sprains where it

803
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: looks like it blow out their ankle. I mean, Lebron's

804
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: king of this, and then we'll just come back so

805
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: their body can contort in levels in ways that ninety

806
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: nine percent of humans cannot by far their medical treatment.

807
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: When I hear of friends that tore an achilles skiing

808
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: or tore their acl playing pick up soft you know,

809
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: softball or pick up basketball or whatever, they go to

810
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: treatment like a quote unquote rehab maybe once or twice

811
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: a week. I remember my dad tore his patell attendant

812
00:45:52,200 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: when I was like, I was probably thirteen fourteen years old,

813
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: and I remember he like his you'd go to rehab

814
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: a couple of times a week. I mean it was bad.

815
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: And this was you know, mid nineties, the recovery on

816
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: bad knee injuries. And this guy is just you know,

817
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: my dad was a farmer, used to like play a

818
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 2: little golf and tennis, you know, in his older age.

819
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: But after this happened, he kind of set him back,

820
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: and he definitely was never the same. And as he

821
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: got older, his knee was really bad. He probably needed

822
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: a knee replacement. But like I remember him going to

823
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: just being a kid and he'd like take me to

824
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: practice or whatever. I'd just drive around with him, and

825
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: he'd go to do the rehab and I remember going

826
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: with a couple of times, but it was like once

827
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: or twice a week. When you get injured in the NFL,

828
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: you go do treatment, and you hear coaches use that

829
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: word treatment every single day, multiple times a day, and

830
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: you bring it home to you. So I think the

831
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: rehabilitation process of an injury of a normal human, let's

832
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: just pick a number, is it. Let's just say it's

833
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: at ten. The rehabilitation process for a professional athlete in

834
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: the NFL is like one thousand in terms of how meticulous. Now,

835
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean everyone follows it, but like the serious

836
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: people that take their job seriously and want to get back,

837
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: and sometimes younger athletes recover faster, but like an older

838
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: guy who's it could make or break his career, I

839
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: mean probably will lose sleep over it. I mean, look

840
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: at Rogers last year for his achilles, Like, you took

841
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: it really, really seriously. If I tore my achilles, like,

842
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: I'm not getting up at four am and you know,

843
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: middle of the night to get treatment at my house.

844
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: So I think that's a huge, huge part of it. Obviously,

845
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 2: their bodies are better and The other thing is if

846
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: you if you get injured. Let's just say you're a

847
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: thirty eight year old playing pickup hoops and you tear

848
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: your achilles or have a bad knee injury. Like what's

849
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: your body type? Like you got a couple of kids,

850
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: you gotta dad bod. You're in decent shape, Like when

851
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: you get hurt as an NFL player, like you do

852
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: have a body of armor that you've built up training, right,

853
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: so it's like you are more physically your ability to

854
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: take you know, a hit that might have actually been

855
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: way worse. Like sometimes whenever you play that game with

856
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: like your buddies, if the whole parted like the Red Sea,

857
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: could you gain five yards? It's like, yeah, well some

858
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: people could. But what happens when Dre Greenlaw meets you

859
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: in the hole? What happens when Jalen Carter picks you

860
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: up and throws you to the ground. Because when that

861
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 2: happens to Alvin Kamara or Saquon Barkley or whoever, like

862
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: they just get back up. But if that happened to

863
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: you or me or just normal humans, you would probably

864
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 2: shatter bones. So I mean there are probably a lot

865
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: of hits these guys take that would cut injuries for

866
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: people that aren't training at their level. I mean the

867
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: physicality of the NFL is I've only been on the

868
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: field of an actual Sunday game a couple times in

869
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: my life, and I've spent obviously a lot of time

870
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: before that at practices, I mean seeing live drills. I

871
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: was on the field in college at Fresnel State, but

872
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: the NFL is a different animal, and I remember thinking

873
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 2: like this is it's crazy more people don't get injured.

874
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, with the speed and violence

875
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: of these guys. Do you see Spy Tech and Carroll

876
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: going genty? Since Carol loves running ball backs, I prefer

877
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 2: Will Campbell or defensive line. Like I said, someone hit

878
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: me up recently because they you know, not critical, but

879
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 2: but I'm just acknowledging he's five foot eight. So how

880
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: often does a five foot eight player go in the

881
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: top ten? And someone said, well, you know, there was

882
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: once a guy that people questioned his body and it

883
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: turned out he was a Hall of Famer and it

884
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: was Derrick Henry. Was he too tall? I said, well, uh,

885
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: I think teams would rather lean is the guy too

886
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: big than too small? Now, I do think Derrick Henry

887
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: was a fair comparison, or excuse me, a fair like

888
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: the scouting community, because he was so tall and upright,

889
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: and he played at such a power program. It was

890
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: a very unique evaluation, right. I don't think Genty is

891
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: that complicated. He's a really good player, but he did

892
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: play a smaller school and he is small, so I

893
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: do think there were just questions that there are questions

894
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: with basically like every prospect. Ever, if I was the Raiders,

895
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: I one not pick him because I would just use

896
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: my second or third round pick on a running back.

897
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: I would pick the best player on the board, whether

898
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: that's Mason Graham, whether that's whoever that is, assuming that

899
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: some of the you know, Travis Hunter's off the board,

900
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: a duel, Carter's off the board. The Rams running back

901
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: has been third in rushing, behind only Saquon and Derrick Henry.

902
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: He seems to have a fumbling issue. Do you think

903
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: the Rams should entertain moving on from him? Seeing as

904
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: they seem to be going all in? Some of you

905
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: younger folk won't remember this, but there was once a

906
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: running back with the New York Giants named Tiki Barber,

907
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: and he had a fumbling problem. And I forget exactly

908
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: what they did. Older giants fans would know this, but

909
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: they like emphasized it hardcore, and he felt like he

910
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: turned it around and he stopped fumbling as much. And

911
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: I think that it is a teachable unless he like

912
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: lacks grip pressure that you can do some sort of

913
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: like measuring you some device to measure that, like he'll

914
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: never be able to hold onto the ball at whatever

915
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: the average level is to sustain decent ball security. I

916
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: do think it's a teachable thing. I would just have him,

917
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: you know, in some of it's not the jugs machine,

918
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: but it's that device where the where the things like

919
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: hit bounce off you. I would constantly be hitting it.

920
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: Anyone that watched the program, you know you can basically

921
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: just you carry football everywhere you go. You know. Obviously

922
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: the program, he carried it to class. But there's a

923
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: famous scene where they hit it out when he's falling

924
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 2: asleep in the lecture hall, which is a great scene.

925
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: And then all they're all falling down the lecture hall

926
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: stairs and then somehow he ends up under the the

927
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: table where the professor is and he comes out with

928
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: the ball. But I would not get rid of Kerwin

929
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 2: Williams just because I would coach it up. Why am

930
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: I paying Sean mcvag twenty million dollars in his assistance

931
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: seven figures? This coordinator's a lot of money. Let's let's

932
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: coach these guys up. Baby. With the Cooper Cup situation,

933
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: they couldn't restructure his contract and just let him get

934
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 2: some and let him get some money back. Sometimes human

935
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: beings want out of business with whoever they're in business with.

936
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: Why do people break up? They didn't want to be

937
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: in the Cooper Cup business anymore. Obviously the money factored in,

938
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: but they just were over it. They were over depending

939
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: on an older player who was breaking down. Basically, I

940
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: think the easiest way to look at it is they

941
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: looked at him like a stock and they just went,

942
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: we're selling our stock, we're selling our shares, We're out.

943
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: Obviously there's a human element to this. They like the guy, clearly,

944
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: he meant a lot to them turning around the franchise.

945
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: When Sean got there, didn't win the Super Bowl, MVP,

946
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: high level guy in his peak, was incredibly productive, won

947
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: the Triple Crown. But sometimes you have to make decisions

948
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: where you go, We're just out. We're just out. Would

949
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 2: they have had him back for five million dollars probably,

950
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: but we just saw like he got more than that.

951
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: So you just it's a tough part of the business.

952
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 2: You know. It's weird. It became so emotional. But Andy

953
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: Reid won a ton of Super Bowls with Joe Toney.

954
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: Joe Toney has been one of the more consistent players

955
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: in the NFL, and they just traded him and no

956
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: one said anything. And then Andy Reid comes out and

957
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: been like, this sucks. We didn't want to do this,

958
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: but we got a cap And it's a shitty part

959
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: about the business. And it doesn't become one thing with McVeigh,

960
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: which listen, I appreciate it. It becomes and he's so

961
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 2: emotional in the rams. He's such good friends with media

962
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: people Mike Silver and Schreeger and they're all talking. It

963
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 2: becomes like this big hooplaw. So yeah, they just fucking

964
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: cut him. He didn't want him on the team. Andy

965
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: Reid's been doing it for twenty five years and we

966
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: don't make that big a deal with these things, So yeah,

967
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: we just couldn't pay him anymore. We think I love

968
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: the guy. Sean mcvacon just never do that. Like love

969
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 2: the guy who's not paying him anymore becomes like, Wow,

970
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: this isn't that. It's the NFL. Happens all the time.

971
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: Eagles just won a Super Bowl, Darius Lazer starting corner.

972
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, we're out. Been married myself of fifteen

973
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 2: years and it's been great. Congrats on the wedding. When

974
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 2: an NFL player retires at the end of a season

975
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: with years remaining and guaranteed money on his contract, what

976
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 2: happens to that money? Does he still get paid? Does

977
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: that money still count against the team's salary cap in

978
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: the next season. Just curious how it works and how

979
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: gms might manage that situation. Well, if the money's already

980
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: been paid out, remember Tony Romo when he had the

981
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: back injury. Then he ended up retiring, his contract was

982
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 2: still on the books for the Dallas Cowboys the following season.

983
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: Because it's like a trade or cutting a player, all

984
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: the money that you would owe them accelerates. Mike Brown's like, well,

985
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: you do contracts like us, you don't have to worry

986
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: about it. But Andrew luck Is a good example, retires

987
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 2: out of the blue. The Colts could have asked for

988
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: money back from the signing bonus, and I think would

989
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: have manipulated the salary cap a little bit with getting

990
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: money back, but they let him keep. I forget the

991
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: numbers like twenty million dollars and they just they took

992
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: a salary cap dead money hit. So just because you

993
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 2: retire Drew Brees same thing, doesn't mean the money just

994
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: goes away. It is the equivalent if you have set

995
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: up their contract. If a guy retires and he's just

996
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: like a free agent, you know in his contract could

997
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: just run out and they had all been accounted for

998
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: in the contract or the cap, no issue. But I

999
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: think it happens a lot where a guy retires and

1000
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: his having a Brady Brady's impact was still on the books.

1001
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, it just gets accelerated, like cutting a player

1002
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: or trading a player. Question for the bang, if you

1003
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: were a coordinator in the NFL, which side of the

1004
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: ball would you coach? Let me say this, I any

1005
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: coaches listening to this, what they do and their knowledge

1006
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: of football, I could never do, never thought I could

1007
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: never desired to. But in a lot of respect for

1008
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: the effort, the hours, and just the intensity of that profession,

1009
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: it is. It is hard, at least for the people

1010
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: that are solid and good at it. A lot of

1011
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: people faking their way through, making a lot of money stealing.

1012
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: But if I was coaching inside of the ball at

1013
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: one offense, to be a defensive coach, I think you

1014
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: got to be like if life would have gone a

1015
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: different path, like you could have been like a UFC fighter,

1016
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: you know, you could have been like a bouncer at

1017
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: a bar. You could have been something that just violence ensues.

1018
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: Offense is a little more, there's a little more art

1019
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: to it. It's a little chiller. I think, maybe not

1020
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage of the offensive lines offensive line coaches,

1021
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: but I think there's more of an artistic side to

1022
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: the offense. It's just a different, different vibe you go

1023
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: into the defense. Google if you forgot about this, kill

1024
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: the head, the body will die. That one pretty viral

1025
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: and obviously the Saints got in big trouble. But how

1026
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: do you think, what do you think these guys talk

1027
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 2: about in these meetings and defensive meetings. It's not usually

1028
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: the way offensive meetings goes as much. Not saying that

1029
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: they're not crazy guys on offensive side of the ball

1030
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: as well, but my personality, I'm just not angry enough

1031
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: and I'm not violent crazy enough like to be a

1032
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 2: great like Vic Fangio, Like he's just an angry old

1033
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: school sob just belong on defense. You know. Jim Johnson

1034
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: was dick Lebou like you gotta be Monti Kiffin, like

1035
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,959
Speaker 2: you gotta be fucking nuts on that side of the ball.

1036
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: Offense is a little more like drawn plays and scoring

1037
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: touchdowns and high five And I always gravitated more towards

1038
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: the offense, though I probably like watching defense more. Just

1039
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: listen to the last podcast. How important are tangible intangibles

1040
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: like leadership, mentality and work ethic and evaluating players, particularly

1041
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: when stats might not tell the full story. I think

1042
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: it makes makes or breaks guys in the draft, the

1043
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: all the stuff that you cannot measure, how much you

1044
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: like football, how hard you study football, how tough you are,

1045
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: how smart you are, And when I say smart, I

1046
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: don't mean like academically, how good of grades you have,

1047
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: how your football i Q is really high? It is.

1048
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: I would say people do not fail in the NFL

1049
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: that meet the physical requirements, that have a high football

1050
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: IQ and are tough, they're lazy people. Make it. But

1051
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: if your football IQ's high and your talent is high,

1052
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: like you can make it, it's really hard. I remember Jim

1053
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: Washburn taught me this. He's like, you can be lazy,

1054
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: you can be dumb, but if you're both, we got

1055
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: no shot. So I just think, no matter what you do,

1056
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: certain positions factor in. Like it's impossible to play middle

1057
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: linebacker if you don't know what's going on. It's impossible

1058
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: to play quarterback if you don't know what's going on. Safety,

1059
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: there's some positions you don't need to be like brilliant

1060
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: football IQ, like a guard, but you cannot excel at

1061
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: guard assuming that you have the proper strength, athleticism, arm length,

1062
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: all that stuff. If you're soft, like you just you

1063
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: have no shot. You will get fucking ruined and soft.

1064
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: There's a big difference like soft into society and like

1065
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: football soft, Like you could be like tougher than most people,

1066
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: but if you're like not like your toughness, I think

1067
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: it's borderline impossible to not be like a nine out

1068
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 2: of ten. You don't have to be that a wide receiver. Say,

1069
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: every position's a little different. I guess the more I

1070
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: think about it, But the intangible Stuff's really really important

1071
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: question for the mailbag. When looking at running backs available

1072
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 2: in this year's draft, what's the difference in the value

1073
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: you see with the top five prospects. I want the

1074
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: Bears to take a back, but in the second or

1075
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: third round, is jent really that much better than the

1076
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: prospects like Caleb Johnson or Hampton? I would say, over

1077
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: the next month, I'm gonna look a little into that.

1078
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: I've watched some cutups on Hampton. He's clearly really good.

1079
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: He's the North Carolina running back. Ohio State's running back

1080
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 2: is really really good. I think a lot of people

1081
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: would say, like the dude from Iowa. There are a

1082
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: lot of guys that you're just gonna be able to

1083
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: get a pick like sixty or seventy or eighty, they

1084
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: like are gonna start in the NFL. I just think

1085
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: you look at it historically. You know JENTI, I don't

1086
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: think he can be viewed as the same level prospect

1087
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 2: some guys got drafted really high recently at five eight

1088
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: in coming from Boise State. You know Bijon Robinson, Saquon Barkley,

1089
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 2: or Christian McCaffrey. Let's chuse those three guys. An example,

1090
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: if you were the Bears or even the Raiders, and

1091
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: you told me that Raiders took Saquon Barkley or Bijon

1092
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: Robinson or Christian McCaffrey, be like, I get it. I

1093
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't love it, but I get it. This guy is

1094
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 2: not on that tier. And it feels like I'm hating

1095
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: on the guy. I fucking love the player. I just

1096
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: don't think you can take him really high. And what

1097
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 2: are the Bears drafting ten? I do not think you

1098
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: can do that, and I don't think they will. I

1099
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 2: really don't. If I had to guess right now March

1100
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: twenty third, things can change, I would guess he goes

1101
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: after pick fifteen. Maye I'm wrong, but I would guess

1102
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 2: when the dust settles. I have a hard time seeing

1103
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: someone pull the trigger on a five eight running back

1104
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: in the top fifteen. Every year, before the start of

1105
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 2: the season, it seems like a majority of the media

1106
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: covering the NFL picks the Raiders to be the worst

1107
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: team in the AFC West. The Chiefs obviously rule a division,

1108
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: but since fifteen, the Raiders are five hundred, ten and

1109
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: ten against the Chargers and the Broncos. They're thirteen and seven.

1110
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: The criticism we receive is well deserved, But why do

1111
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: we seem to take more shit than the other teams

1112
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: when they haven't done any better than us? With spy

1113
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: tech and Carol in the building, proven coordinators in Chip

1114
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 2: Kelly and Patrick Graham and Tom Brady now having skin

1115
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: in the game, who's to say that Vegas doesn't have

1116
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: as good, if not better shot at getting closer to

1117
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: Kansas City than Denver, LA. Well, that's fair like Brandon

1118
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: Staley era and some of the previous erows with Denver

1119
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 2: that I think there were people arguing that the Raiders

1120
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: were better than people thought, you know, going into seasons.

1121
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: I think now it's pretty hard. Listen, Pete Carroll's resume

1122
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: speaks for herself. At seventy three, he's going all in

1123
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: on Geno Smith against Harbaugh and Herbert, which are better,

1124
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: and we're just the fifth seed in the In the AFC,

1125
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: they were the fifth seed and the Broncos who now

1126
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: have Sean Payton and a quarterback. So I think that's

1127
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: that factors in now, I hear if you want to argue,

1128
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: like when some of the previous coaches were running the

1129
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: Broncos like the Vic Fangio era, Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh.

1130
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: The Raiders team just isn't that good, Like those teams

1131
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 2: were playoff teams last year. I just think Gino tough spot.

1132
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: But I hear you like, I actually think you guys

1133
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 2: got dramatically more. I don't think anyone's kicking the Raiders

1134
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: like they were four or five years ago. I actually

1135
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 2: think they're talked about pretty highly, myself included, Like I

1136
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: know spy tech a little bit, stud I've watched Pete

1137
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: Carroll's career for twenty plus years. Like no one's acting

1138
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 2: Tom Brady's best football player of all time, clearly just

1139
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 2: a high level guy. I think most people go, yeah,

1140
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: the Raiders feel a little more normal now, but they

1141
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 2: felt like that at different times, Like Mark Davis still

1142
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: owns a team and shit just gets weird there a lot.

1143
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: You can say the same thing with the Chargers, and

1144
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 2: it usually does, and then Jim Harbaugh comes in, and

1145
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 2: then just all Jim Harbad does is ever he just

1146
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 2: wins Chargers year one, fifth seed boom. Just like that

1147
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: question for the bag. You know, Veitch and Andy, they've

1148
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: invested multiple picks on the tackle position and flamed out

1149
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: every time? Why do teams struggle to evaluate the position?

1150
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna feel like a Homer here. Even though I'm

1151
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: bet against the Chiefs. I think like three of the

1152
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: last four or five big games bet against them in AFC,

1153
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, with the Ravens and the Niners,

1154
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: and the Bills this year. So I probably need to

1155
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: stop betting against I don't know, guy, pretty good coach

1156
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: Andy Reid and bred veach, pretty good GM and a

1157
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: team that just wins a lot. So I apologize to

1158
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 2: a Chiefs kingdom for constantly betting against them and just

1159
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: losing money because they always win. Here's the thing with

1160
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. They draft at the end of the first round,

1161
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 2: and they have not been flushed with cap space. And

1162
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: even if they were, like who are you signing? Like

1163
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: what are they? I just don't know what they're supposed

1164
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: to do. Like it is very, very difficult to find

1165
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: a starting left tackle at pick thirty two or pick

1166
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 2: sixty four. It's just that's usually not where these guys

1167
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 2: are going. Look around the around the league. Tristan Wurf's

1168
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: you know, I go back to these guys because they're

1169
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: the two best players when healthy at their position, like

1170
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: Trent Williams, Lane Johnson, like most high level tackles go

1171
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: really really high in the draft, Tyron Smith Forever. It's

1172
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: you know, you have some outliers. Yeah, Jordan my Lotta

1173
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: from Australia who never played football in his life, right,

1174
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 2: I mean I remember the forty nine ers Forever Joe

1175
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 2: Staley was an incredible pick, and he was a pick

1176
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 2: like twenty seven I think, but he was like a

1177
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: former two. He was kind of like JJ Watt of tackles.

1178
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: He was picked twenty eight. That's like unheard of to

1179
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: find a guy that's like going to Pro Bowls that

1180
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: picked twenty eight. Usually you got a draft him pretty high.

1181
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 2: So I just think it's difficult. They're in a tough spot.

1182
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 2: They could have traded for the Laramy Tunzel, the Texans

1183
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: would have wonted their first round pick. It's like, wait,

1184
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 2: why are you trading this guy? Why? Why? Wait? We'll

1185
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: give our first round pick for a player, but you're

1186
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: trading your left tackle when you're old line sucks. I

1187
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 2: do get like Washington, It's like we'll give you third now,

1188
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 2: second later, and it's hard. But it's like Hey, yeah,

1189
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: we want your first round pick. That's the only way

1190
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: we will trade this player to you. Like, h it

1191
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 2: feels a little weird. We're desperate here kind of. I mean,

1192
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 2: we're just in the super Bowl, but it's like, you're

1193
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: gonna make us trade a first round pick. Because the

1194
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 2: Texans could not have done that deal with the Chiefs

1195
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 2: right that they did to Washington, I think it's fair

1196
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: to assume that they wanted their first round pick. If

1197
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: you're the chief You're like, what do you do our second,

1198
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 2: our first for a guy you're trading who's gonna want

1199
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars a year? And like, again, why are

1200
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 2: you trading them? A couple of days after DK was

1201
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 2: traded to the Steelers, I read a headline along the

1202
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 2: lines of Pickings was not among the players to welcome

1203
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 2: DK at the Steeler facility. A day later, another article saying,

1204
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: George Pickens traded. Rumors are picking up. My questions is,

1205
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 2: if this is true, what would you trade.

1206
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: For I I'm probably the wrong guy to ask because.

1207
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 2: He was a second round pick, so twenty two, twenty three,

1208
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 2: twenty four, he's in a contract year. I'm not in

1209
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 2: the business of George Pickens. Now, I clearly there are

1210
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: teams desperate enough and for the right price, I would

1211
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 2: definitely dabble, But like, I couldn't trade anything a value

1212
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: zero chance. Like there's a reason the guy that was

1213
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 2: that talented was pick fifty second overall. Now you watch him,

1214
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of talent. But when the Steelers

1215
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 2: can't handle a wide receiver, no pretty glaring sign, and

1216
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people go, well, you had

1217
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 2: dk to George Pickens. This is probably George pickens last

1218
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: season on the Pittsburgh Steelers, unless he becomes a dramatically

1219
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 2: different human being. Look at the last couple guys that

1220
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 2: they'd be like, Eh, we're not that into Chase Claypool. Yeah,

1221
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: we're kind of out Antonio Brown, who had like the

1222
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: greatest six year stretch of all time. Like, yeah, we're

1223
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 2: out George Pickens. Trade block. I'm not. Like there's certain

1224
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 2: people I'm just not doing business with. Like Howie Roseman

1225
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: calls me, It's like, yeah, how I'm not doing that

1226
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 2: trade Billy Bean forever in baseball, Billy, I'm not that

1227
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: interested in Billy. Wait, you don't want our number one prospect,

1228
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: you want the seventh ninth and fifteenth guy, and then

1229
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: two of the three become All Stars. They're like, yeah,

1230
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't trade the guy Billy wants. And that's how

1231
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 2: I feel about George Pickens. I'm just like, there are

1232
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 2: certain people in a draft, and I think the good

1233
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: teams do this. There are players you're like, this guy

1234
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: is gonna be in the NFL. More likely he's gonna

1235
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 2: be a good player. I don't want him on our team.

1236
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 2: And usually that revolves around off the field intangible you know,

1237
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 2: stuff you can't quantify, the character, personality, like I don't

1238
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: want to be in business with him. Belichick made a long,

1239
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: long standing of doing that. Now, sometimes you did some

1240
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 2: weird draft picks because like, who'd you just taking a

1241
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: second round like characters through the roof. It's like Bill, like,

1242
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: guy's a fucking undrafted free agent. So there's a balance.

1243
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 2: But there are people on every team's draft board or

1244
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 2: any team worth their salt. They're like, listen, clearly, this

1245
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 2: guy's an NFL player. This guy could make a Pro Bowl.

1246
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 2: But we're not in the business of these type guys.

1247
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 2: And I think the good teams are like not. Now,

1248
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 2: the Steelers, they've always kind of like done a good

1249
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: job of reclamation project projects. Sometimes it works. I think

1250
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: the problem is sometimes it's like a stock. You ever

1251
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: like strike gold and you like ten X your money,

1252
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: you kind of chase that forever. Listen, I'm guilty of it,

1253
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 2: and I've never had a ten X stock, But the

1254
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: moment you hit you know, two or three, actually like, damn,

1255
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 2: I want to do that again. It's like, now, just

1256
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: invest in Costco, just just buy some Apple. But by

1257
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: something that you know is gonna work. It's like no,

1258
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: I'm swinging for the fences. Then all of a sudden

1259
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,440
Speaker 2: it goes the other way. I think Dave's done that sometimes.

1260
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 2: But like that's kind of why they've maintained because their

1261
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 2: talent is always better than where they're drafting, because they

1262
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: will take flyers, and I think the teams that stay

1263
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 2: away from that, like the like the Buffalo Bills, Like

1264
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 2: you think Brandon bean And and Sean McDermott would mess

1265
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 2: with George Pickens's no chance, none, like Andy Reid might,

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01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 2: but again, like they'll pivot fast. And it's the difference

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01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: is if I buy George Pickens from you for a

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01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 2: fourth round pick, I'm not invested anymore. So, it's like

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01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 2: if he starts acting where I can just cut him

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01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: like I'm out, And I think it's really risky for

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01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: the bad teams like Carolina, you know, think of some

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01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 2: of the bad teams that could use his talent. It's like,

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01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: you want to risk this because George Pickens walks in

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01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: like he's Randy freaking Moss. He thinks he's the best

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 2: player in your team. Immediately, I would love to like

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01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 2: have a cocktail with like TJ and Minka and Cam.

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01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 2: What do you think of this dude? Really? No, really,

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01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 2: like what do you think of this guy? Probably give

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01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 2: you everything you need to know why you should not

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01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: trade for him.

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01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:18,959
Speaker 1: The volume