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Speaker 1: And we're back to another episode of Cutting the Distance Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham, and today's show I have Chris Cabral.

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Speaker 1: You guys might remember Chris from a show earlier this spring.

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Speaker 1: We talked about bear baiting and Chad Antler hunting. Chris

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Speaker 1: runs Russell Pond Outfitters in North Idaho, and I just

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Speaker 1: want to say welcome to the show, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Hi. How's it going, dude?

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Speaker 1: Good? Good? Good? How much now that bear season's over

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Speaker 1: and you finally get a break? How many bears did

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Speaker 1: you guys get this spring?

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Speaker 2: I think we ended up with thirty seven spring bears total,

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Speaker 2: not counting wounded our mess those just kills.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's pretty impressive. That's a lot of bears.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. We do pretty good on bears in

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Speaker 2: the spring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, that's got to help the elk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. There's no question. You can just tell

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Speaker 2: when you bring those big bores in in June which

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Speaker 2: ones are the elk caveaters. Every time we got one,

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Speaker 2: we open up the stomachs and you can tell which

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Speaker 2: ones I've been calving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he got some pretty good ones too.

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Speaker 1: This spring seems like.

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Speaker 2: Some Yeah, on average, we killed a lot over six foot,

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Speaker 2: which is a really good spring. Oh, almost every single

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Speaker 2: one was bores, maybe a couple soles. Was all total wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Well then it looked like you're you got done

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Speaker 1: hunting and you start putting up some hay. That's always fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, straight from bear season to the hayfield. But I

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Speaker 2: thought i'd get so forth to dry off, but that

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Speaker 2: didn't happen this year.

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Speaker 1: Man's been so dry.

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Speaker 2: I was worried that, hey, we're gonna get burnt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's always funny the fourth of July,

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Speaker 1: it's like everybody haze and it's like it's always kind

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Speaker 1: of a crapshoot because it seems like there's always a

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Speaker 1: little storm that sneaks in and about the time you

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Speaker 1: get your hay on the ground, my dad, farmers are

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Speaker 1: going to get their hay washed this time and dang it,

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Speaker 1: but it looks like you lucked out.

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Speaker 2: Huh yeah, I did a little bird.

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Speaker 1: Now. Some of our listeners may ask why do you

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Speaker 1: Interviete Why do you interview guides and outfitters, And I

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Speaker 1: think it's a pretty simple answer. These guys do this

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Speaker 1: for a living. They hunt they're in the woods probably

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Speaker 1: more than anybody. You know, they're up there with loggers

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Speaker 1: as far as spending time in woods every day, but

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Speaker 1: they spend a lot of time in the woods, and

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Speaker 1: I arguably think it'd be hard to find somebody else

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Speaker 1: that that has this much time in the woods and

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Speaker 1: hunting experience. So, you know, I I like to get

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Speaker 1: outfitters and guides on here just to pick your brains on.

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Speaker 1: You know, what, what what you're doing, what are your

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Speaker 1: what's your little secrets letter? How do you do it?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I've been doing this a long time,

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Speaker 1: but I'm I'm I'm a student of elk hunting. I'm

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Speaker 1: always I'm always looking for for more information and I

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Speaker 1: feel like about the time I think I got it

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Speaker 1: figured out, than the elk proved me wrong. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's uh, that's why I get I bring these outfitters

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Speaker 1: and guides on because I just really like to hear

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Speaker 1: here what what they're doing and how they do it.

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Speaker 1: You run a pretty strong camera game trail cams. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything that stands out monitoring elk for all these years?

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Speaker 1: Have you noticed like some some little cool things, some

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Speaker 1: little nuances that maybe kind of surprised you before you

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Speaker 1: really start kind of keying in on your.

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Speaker 2: Cameras, you know, not really, you know, I try to

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Speaker 2: are where I hunt. It seems pretty consistent every year

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Speaker 2: as far as where the elk are moving and the

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Speaker 2: you know, the walls I put my cameras on. In

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Speaker 2: the game trails, what we have seen is a lot

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Speaker 2: less ridge top running than we used to see because

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Speaker 2: of predators. We go so many wolves and cats in

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Speaker 2: tops anymore, hang on the ridgetops as much as they

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Speaker 2: track of the predator. They definitely don't bed You find

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Speaker 2: your ridgetop cameras aren't producing like they used to, you know.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen twenty Yuvo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's an excellent point. What do you

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Speaker 1: think about like meadows too, like meadowy areas are do

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Speaker 1: you think they're elker avoiding those two?

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Speaker 2: I do? I do I think it depends on the

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Speaker 2: much meadows as burns. We have a lot of prescribed

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Speaker 2: burns where I hunt, and man, the wolves really run

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Speaker 2: the burns are as soon as those blowdowns are cleaned

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Speaker 2: but now they use the windfalls to stay away from

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Speaker 2: the predators and really noticeable where I hut.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you're saying these things. These are

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Speaker 1: the same thing kind of things I'm kind of noticing too.

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Speaker 1: Like you say, the ridgetops, like the old trails that

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Speaker 1: were there. Man, you'd almost say there hadn't been an

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Speaker 1: elk there in twenty years. You know, there's no there's

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Speaker 1: no sign, there's no there's no scat, there's no elk tracks.

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Speaker 1: But like you say, you get off on the sides.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the places I find elk

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Speaker 1: seems like, you know, especially if the road system's on top,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and and maybe it don't matter where

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Speaker 1: it seemed like the elk. I'm really finding elk in

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Speaker 1: those kind of places. Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: like using the winds and the swirling winds and stuff like,

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Speaker 1: like elk can really take advantage of those predators running

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they really use the water where

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Speaker 2: we are. They say that bottom third on the on

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Speaker 2: can just shoot across, run down the kirk, do whatever

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Speaker 2: lose their trail, you know. And I think and I

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Speaker 2: think honestly fishermen too, uh you know, they're out there

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Speaker 2: all summer fifth in these rivers. I think the elk

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Speaker 2: hang out down by the fishermen because there's that maney

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Speaker 2: less woolves, the old the lot of the fishermen. And

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Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of that way where in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I believe it. I've you know, it seems

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Speaker 1: like like right out of right out of city limits

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I definitely notice it with the fishermen later, because

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Speaker 2: you got all the five fishermen out of staters with

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Speaker 2: the river. I mean those elk are hanging right down

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Speaker 2: there by both people, for sure, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you ever get bulls on your cam that

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, way more often than you think. And it'll

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Speaker 2: you know, sometimes it's five to ten years before you'll

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Speaker 2: get another picture of that same bull. But I save everything,

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Speaker 2: I keep track of it. You out label everything, so

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Speaker 2: I really pay attention to bulls over a ten year period,

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Speaker 2: really got to pay attention to the old picks to

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Speaker 2: we are they don't change drastically. A lot of times

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Speaker 2: picker here there that throws you off, and it makes

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Speaker 2: to look for signs. Like I have certain bulls I

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Speaker 2: you know I've had I have bulls for a fact,

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Speaker 2: I know for a fact that are over twenty on camera.

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Speaker 2: Hole lot of them, a lot of them, but there's

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Speaker 2: a few that I know over twenty years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you see them things regressing after a certain point,

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Speaker 1: like they used to be a giant and then they

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Speaker 1: just start like not growing a big a rack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we see that a lot. But what's crazy is

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Speaker 2: it can just be a hard winter that regresses. They'll

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Speaker 2: into right back up to three thirty or something like that.

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Speaker 2: So you see it, you think that you're loving them.

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Speaker 2: One year you're like, oh no, no, you know, he

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Speaker 2: doesn't score anything, and then the next year you have

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Speaker 2: an easy winner and they have a lot of you know,

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Speaker 2: good feed, and he's back up to the size he

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Speaker 2: go up and down a lot where depending on the winter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of that seems like that

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Speaker 1: North Country maybe it seems like you those bulls don't

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Speaker 1: start hitting their potential till they get pretty damn old,

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Speaker 1: like they're eight ten years old. You know, it's just

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Speaker 1: my opinion. I don't have anything to back it up,

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Speaker 1: but man, they started getting that eight ten years old.

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Speaker 1: It looks they look like a freaking bulldozer right there.

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Speaker 1: Their bodies just keep getting bigger and bigger, their racks

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Speaker 1: get like now they're starting to grow some friacking handlers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you know their neck and head, when they

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Speaker 2: look like they're nine hundred pounds, you know, a thousand

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Speaker 2: pounds their neck and their head, you know, compared to

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Speaker 2: a you know, immature six point it's a totally different animal.

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Speaker 2: It's on the bodies, we get what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. Do you do you have some cams that, like,

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Speaker 1: all summer long, you've got cows on them, and then

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Speaker 1: you got your cut your your cams that have bachelor

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Speaker 1: balls all summer and then like August fifth, or eighth

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Speaker 1: or tenth, somewhere in that first part of August, those

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Speaker 1: bulls shed their velvet. You see a couple shed, and

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Speaker 1: then you don't see another bull on that camera for months,

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple of months, and then they show

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like they do. They take a walk,

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Speaker 2: you see the end of August, August twenty seventh to September. Second,

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Speaker 2: they'll take a walk and then you'll catch them on

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Speaker 2: a different camera with a cow or so. And then

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Speaker 2: you'll catch them ten miles away on a different camera

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Speaker 2: back by themselves. The next thing, though, they got a

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Speaker 2: hair them right back where they started here.

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Speaker 1: I go, wow, that's that's so crazy. How much how

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Speaker 1: much ground they can they can cover. I know guys

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Speaker 1: like Southeast Idaho. You know, one guy I know was

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Speaker 1: and that thing would always disappear and he's just like, man,

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. So you have some pretty big, nasty country.

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Speaker 2: So for me early season especially, I do a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think that bulls are getting more call

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Speaker 2: I did. I mean I have dealt with call shy

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Speaker 1: A lot of units, right do you do? You So

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I really know where their betting ground is. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's super important. I think a lot

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Speaker 2: Number one thing obviously is to never try to draw

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got. I got a ten yard shooting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I'll tell a lot of my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. Do you do you find that the

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree that I do think that's a

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Speaker 2: They kind of do the same thing to them, you know,

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Speaker 1: Nice. Now, if you work a bowl one day and

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Speaker 2: Man? Immediately, I've really said, don't wait, because they're not

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Speaker 2: You don't get an opportunity at him that day. A

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I owner, you know, I take it all or

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Speaker 1: Like every time you haven't encounter with that bowl, man,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's it. Yeah yeah the way he chuckles. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, September, it's August thirtieth. It's wrapped it again.

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Speaker 2: I gave him like probably an hour break, made sure

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Speaker 1: Man, that's awesome. You find that kind of just planting

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Speaker 1: that seed. Sometimes may you do may not get a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well a lot of times they come from so

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Speaker 2: below you, but it's across the cane, the three you

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00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 2: weren't paying attention to. That sneak in on the end. Obviously,

432
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 2: Patients is key. It's it's tough. I got better with

433
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 2: age to be a little more patient, you know, but

434
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 2: I'm pretty bad about just you know, grabbing my bow

435
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,120
Speaker 2: and be going trucking again. But you know, you run

436
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 2: into them a lot of turns. Mm hmm.

437
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've man, I you sound just like me. The

438
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 1: older I get. Yeah, I'm giving, I'm getting more patient.

439
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm like the least patient person ever. And man, I've

440
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 1: I've learned. I've learned over the years and and especially

441
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: as I think it's like, you know, the physicality of

442
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 1: getting old too, it's like, oh yeah, I'm not as

443
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 1: I'm not that as much of a stud as it

444
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: used to be. I'm not a stud at all, but

445
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, honest have to slow down, take a little

446
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 1: more time. And man, I had a bowl here a

447
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I started on him in the morning,

448
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 1: and you know, he bugled pretty decent. Then he went

449
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: to bed super early, like at eight am, and I

450
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 1: got up there, crawled in there, and I was probably

451
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: sixty seventy yards from him most of the day in

452
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 1: hiss betting area, and I'd call to him a little

453
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: bit and he'd just kind of growl at me, and

454
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 1: he didn't want to come over and check me out.

455
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: But luckily I had the wind good all day, and

456
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: finally in the evening shadow started getting long, he got up,

457
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: started being more active, started calling, and a bowl from

458
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: about as far away as you could hear. I could

459
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: just be like, man, I think I heard a bugle,

460
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: And then a little bit later, oh yeah, I do,

461
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: hear a bugle over that way, and pressing that bolt

462
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: starts coming. I mean, this thing's coming from a mile away, right,

463
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: And he's bugling a lot more than the guy I'm with, right,

464
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to call to him, and he ain't

465
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: taken my bait. He just kind of given those those

466
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: mony bugles. Well, this other bowl he comes from a

467
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 1: mile away, gets up there, he gets to about one

468
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards from this bull I've been messing with

469
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: all day. The bull I was with, you know, I'm

470
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, he's got just a wimpy bowl. Everybody'd be like, oh,

471
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: I think at the five point he gives this Jurassic

472
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 1: Park blood curdling I'm going to kill you scream at

473
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: that bowl. Once he gets close now, and he charges

474
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: off the hill and chases that bulk, screaming at him

475
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: the whole way out of the drainage, up and over

476
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: the up and over the ridge and completely gone. Like

477
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: I was right between him. I thought, man, this could

478
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: be a I didn't. I didn't even get to see

479
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: either one during that whole show. You know, It's like,

480
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: dang it, I thought for sure, doesn't kill that sucker.

481
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 1: And he just chased out of the bull, completely out

482
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: of here. He must have knew him. He's like, I don't. Yeah,

483
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: I know. You get the hell out of here, you sucker.

484
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that before too. Where up the bowl

485
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: ruins You're hot by chasing the smaller bull you were calling.

486
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, but the but I feel like sometimes

487
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: you don't even you don't even hear those bulls like

488
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: a long distance until you know. I'm typically pretty quick,

489
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'll do in a matter of five minutes.

490
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: When I'm locating, I'll do three bugles, a few cow calls,

491
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: and listen. I'm like, all right, I don't hear nothing

492
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: five minutes, let's go hike over to the next spot

493
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: and call. Well, man, it seems like lately I've been

494
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: kind of given, especially if I haven't heard no bulls,

495
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: I'll just get I'll sit down for thirty minutes, and man,

496
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: pretty soon, like way off in the distance, you'll hear one,

497
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: and then they'll get closer and closer. So it's just like, man,

498
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: sometimes I think they're a lot further away than you

499
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: think they're going to be, and you just kind of

500
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: let them get into ear shot, you know, for us,

501
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think we hear nearly like an auctoz.

502
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's no question about that. And they you know,

503
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: a lot of times they get there past too. They

504
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: could be there far away but only take some five

505
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: minutes to get to where you didn't even hear them.

506
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: But I've noticed since I've been a lot more patient

507
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: the last several years, you definitely run into where the

508
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 2: silent ones come in a lot more, you know, come

509
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 2: all the way and a lot of times the silent

510
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 2: one of the footers, you know. Like I said, that's

511
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: the same reason I like that early feed. And I

512
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 2: when I'm running for myself, I don't even hunt wear

513
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 2: a guide because I don't want to screw up all

514
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: those oak for where I'm giving. So you know, I

515
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: try to say I got my spots, and then I

516
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: got my guidepop, and I try to lead.

517
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: Those alone for the client. Yeah, that's smart. Keep them fresh,

518
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: keep them fresh for the clients. I can't. I mean,

519
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a great tip for success there.

520
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's good. Not to be selfish. So h

521
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: here's a question. I hear this a lot from from

522
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: hunters or you know, some will say, never call like

523
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: a big bull. Always call like a squeaker bul. Some

524
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: guys say, no, no, you want to call it a

525
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: big bull. What's your take, man?

526
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: I I don't know. I'm just thinking about this there

527
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: day while watching you guys as uh in the salmon

528
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: last last year. I might I think I do more

529
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: small bulls than I do streaming streaming bowls. I think

530
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: I'm not not like spike squeaks or any thing, but

531
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: I'm not always getting rasty with everyone of them. One

532
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: of the reasons is, you know, I hud an area

533
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: where they're not always that fired up. You know, they're

534
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: not always fighting with other bulls. They only have a

535
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: couple of cows themselves, you know. So I think I

536
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 2: always try to kind of sound the medium too small,

537
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 2: you know, more than anything cool. But I found myself

538
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: going to New Mexico and bowling as hard as I can.

539
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: So it just earned different pactics for different places.

540
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, okay, here's here's a question, and we

541
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: kind of I kind of talked about that a second ago.

542
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: Can you judge a bu bul by his bugle?

543
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: No, not a chance. And honestly, an Idaho where I hunt,

544
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: I feel like anything with a growl is always the

545
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: herd ball and immature. But I went down to New

546
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: Mexico and I got rude awakening really quick day one

547
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: because I was going after the growlers and rastiness every

548
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: time and every I'd get in there and to be

549
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: a four by four or four by five I got dupe.

550
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 2: The big bulls weren't talking, you know, it didn't even

551
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: make a peep, and a lot of the smaller ones

552
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: were screamers. So I think where I hunt, you know,

553
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: where I guide, I'm a lot better at judging by

554
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: their bagle than I am. Other points about that.

555
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I I think I think you're right. That's

556
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: been my experience too with New Mexico and in north

557
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: Side hosts. Like some of that north Side host stuff,

558
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: you're like, you hear a bowl that's just like they

559
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: got that sound like, okay, that's an old bowl. Like

560
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: there's I mean, there's some some pretty pissed off five

561
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: points that can sound pretty pretty tough and pretty raspy.

562
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: But man, some of those old suckers, it's like, oh yeah,

563
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: that's definitely an old bowl.

564
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: Almost of the time in North Side, I know there's

565
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: only one of those in that area. You know, it's

566
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: right right Mexico, and there's several you know, yep.

567
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: So would you say, and you kind of hit on

568
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: this a little bit, are you more aggressive or more

569
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: of a passive elk hunter? As in, do you do

570
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: you dive in it right after him? Or do you

571
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: kind of let the situation develop over time, or maybe

572
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: you kind of do both.

573
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: I would say a little bit of bowl, but man,

574
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: I'm done it so long and I'm not the same area.

575
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: The bulls are kind of consistent. Uh. If you ever

576
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: talk to my best friend Aaron, he'll tell you he's like,

577
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: anytime you know, a bowl of beatles across the canyon,

578
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: like that one's killable. I don't know what it is

579
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: that tells me that, what makes me think that it's

580
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: just years of experience or what you know, a lot

581
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: of times I'm right, it's just the way they're talking,

582
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: you know, the way they've an area down, the way

583
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: they're acting around the cows, the way they're acting around

584
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 2: other elks. Like I said, I think the number one

585
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: thing is just getting in close and not trying until

586
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: you're you're in their bedroom. They're a lot more uh

587
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: you know, they feel a lot more comfortable coming in

588
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: that last I've been trying to call them from.

589
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm the same. Like I think a lot

590
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: of a lot of hunters kind of they get kind

591
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: of I call it the wallflower syndrome. So they finally

592
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: get a bold a bugle and they're like, oh man,

593
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: a bowl, and then they kind of like hesitate, they

594
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: hang back and they're like, oh man, what do I do?

595
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: And and a lot of times, but I think, you know,

596
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: you have to get within a certain distance of elk

597
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: to like really have an impact where okay, we can

598
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: elevate this conversation with hisself to where he wants to

599
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: come in.

600
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let me touch base on two where we

601
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: hunt is really brushy and everything is loud. If you

602
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: were trying to tippy toe and walk the blow downs,

603
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: they know you're not a bowoak, you know what I mean.

604
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm jumping on the boat out. I'm crashing

605
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: through my buddy Aaron, who I'm calling for. He's he's

606
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: held back, he hesitant. You know, we're in our run

607
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: route past him, and then he gets behind me, and

608
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: then I get into that range and you know, Aaron

609
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: back out in front of me. But I think people

610
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: are too quiet at times for the country. I like

611
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: to make noise all its's of the time. I can't

612
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: tell you how many times they come into the noise

613
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: you're making more than you're calling, you know, Yeah, yeah,

614
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: I mean they come in as sometime as the best

615
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: of me as you know, as I am to them.

616
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's this one spot. Every time I've

617
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: been there in September, there's there's bulls down this big debt,

618
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: big deep, nasty hole. And it don't matter what way

619
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: you go into it.

620
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: The wind is.

621
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: Always screwy, right, And I'm like, all right, I'm gonna

622
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: try this way, I'm gonna try that way. But i

623
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: mean every time, you know, and this place is this

624
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: right off of a road, you know, but it's this,

625
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen hundred vertical feet dropped down into this

626
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: crap hole and there's always bulls down there. And they

627
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: know this because there's a pull out there. Everybody pulls

628
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: over and bugles from this pull out, right, so they're

629
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: just like, all right, here's another dude up there. So

630
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: they're all right, everybody take your places. Get ready to

631
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: smell them.

632
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: Man.

633
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: I've tried everything, Like I'll stop in one spot and bugle,

634
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: and by the end of season, like if you bugle

635
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: from the turnout, they won't answer. But if you walk

636
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: over the hill and cut around three hundred yards, they'll

637
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: screw their head off at you. It's funny. They get

638
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: really conditioned, as you know, so, but it don't matter

639
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: how how what side of this, it's a big drange

640
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: what side of the drainage. I'll get him talking. I'm like,

641
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: all right, let's get out of here. Let's go circle around,

642
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: go over, drop in on them, and man as quite

643
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: as you think you are, Like, all right, when we

644
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: get down in there and you pop a few sticks. Man,

645
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: them suckers every time they hear me coming and they're like, oh,

646
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: there's a bowl, you know. They come over and they

647
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: catch me. I'm like, oh go, I'll be on the

648
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: other side of the drainage from where I heard the bugles,

649
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: and I'll start coming down. Well, I make some pop

650
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: brush pops. Pretty soon you get down towards the bottom

651
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: of the drainage there, that sucker is wins me every time,

652
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: and man like back to your point. Just like man,

653
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: they they hear that and they think, oh, yeah, that's

654
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: another elk. A. I have a hunting buddy that used

655
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: to hunt with a lot and he's like, oh, you're

656
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: making too much noise. They know we're not elk. I'm like, dude,

657
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: they think we're elk. Let's make let's make lots of noise.

658
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, that bull hurt you. He he

659
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: thought you were a person, Like, no, he didn't.

660
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: There I should see some of my hunter's looks that

661
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: I get. When I'll grab a stick and just be

662
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: raking it down the breast, you make more noise, like

663
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: I'm moral, and I mean a lot of times it

664
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: really works. Le's see where I am. And like I said,

665
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: with their kind of call sye over wolves, they come

666
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: to the sound of brush breaking. It's unreal, you know,

667
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: And I imagine they you know, when just just when

668
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: their moose are walking and then they're full. Were a

669
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: guarantee that come to moose walking through the woods, even

670
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: just because.

671
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: Do you ever this is off topic elk, Well not really,

672
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: but kind of do you ever? As you're hunting for elk,

673
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: you're bugling, bugling. Pretty soon you start hearing Oh and

674
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: here comes a moose, a bull moose. He's like, yeah,

675
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: he don't like your bugling around here. I've had him

676
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: come in, like, you know, to chase me out of there.

677
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't want that bull elk bugling around

678
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: there or something. I guess. I don't know you ever

679
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: had that.

680
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: I have, Yeah, And one time there was actually snow

681
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: on the ground, and I thought I was calling in

682
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: an elk, but I'm like, this does not sound right,

683
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened. The bull came in trying

684
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: to push me out, and I mean there was aggress

685
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: that they ran uside of the woods pretty much. Yeah, yeah, late,

686
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: so you're in it snowed. So the bull just went

687
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: quiet and the yeah a mood. Look what I called in.

688
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: My brother in law. He was sitting in a tree

689
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: stand and doing a little bit of calling, and this big,

690
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: big bull moose come up and started walking around his stand,

691
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: and the thing would just rub and rub, you know,

692
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: drake's horns. And finally it's getting dark. He's like, I

693
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: gotta get out of here. So he climbs down. Well,

694
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: he's packing a pistol. He starts walking up this trail

695
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: back to He's got about a mile and a half

696
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: hike back to his pickup. This moose is following him.

697
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: He sees it like he sees a dude walking. That

698
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: moose just follows him. Every time he'd stop and turn around,

699
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: it would stop and just stare at him and go

700
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: over and rub a tree or whatever. He's like, oh

701
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna have to kill this moose. So

702
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: he's got his pistol cocked and ready to go in

703
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: case he's gonna try, and it's fallen from like twenty

704
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: yards away. It follows him all the way back to

705
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: his pickup, and he's like, I'm freaked out. I gotta

706
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here. So he took off,

707
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: and then I met him later that night and he's

708
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: telling me the story. I'm like, eh, the freaking moose

709
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: and you didn't have a moose follow you that far.

710
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: We get to his camper and this is no shit.

711
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: There were moose rubs all around his camper. That thing

712
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: stood around his camper, just destroying these little trees. I'm like,

713
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: holy cow, I can't believe that thing. He's like, man,

714
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: he's like, it wasn't a little one. It's like a

715
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: trophy moose. He's like, man, if a guy had a

716
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: moose tag, he'd be able to kill that thing. But

717
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: we didn't see no guys with moose tags.

718
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, I sell all my customers when they're worried

719
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: about bears, cats and wolves. I'm like, y'all, I think

720
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: in our wood you need to worry about the Syris Moose.

721
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: Thank you.

722
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for sure. I agree with that. So you

723
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: talked about New Mexico, Well, how much different is hunting

724
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: New Mexico to hunt North Idaho? I know the answer

725
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: from my perspective.

726
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: Uh, to be honest with So, the first couple of

727
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: years I went down, we had really good luck calling

728
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: the bulls, and you know, I was calling them and

729
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: left and right. My problem was not being picky enough,

730
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: and I was shooting too early on the hunt. Uh.

731
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: And then the last time I went down that was

732
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: on the heel, and I got humbled drastically. We couldn't

733
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: call in anything. Those bulls were just I mean they

734
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: had bugle, they asked, but they were running away the

735
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: entire time, you know. And there's just got to the

736
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: point where you just drop your backpack, carry your bow,

737
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: release and arrows and just a romb and gun. The

738
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: easiest I noticed by the end I was it's easier

739
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: to cut them off and try chasing them, try to

740
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: get in front of them is definitely the way to

741
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: hunt those out.

742
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, do you did you find that? At least

743
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: for where I was at New Mexico. You hear boths

744
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: bugle are like, oh yeah, there is right over there,

745
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: and you go set up, you know, like and then

746
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: you hear them bugle again, and they're like way further

747
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: away than you ever thought. Like the sound travels so

748
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: much differently.

749
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah that and they moved so fast. And what I've

750
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: really and not even at a run, just walking away

751
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: from you, it is impossible to give up the better

752
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: health out your own. And what I noticed here or

753
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: there is when you think they're coming closer, they get louder.

754
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: That's only because they went through the canyon in front

755
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: of you and they're coming up the other side, so

756
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: they're one le mountain aware. So every time they get wilder,

757
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, he's coming, He's coming. You get ready. Nope,

758
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: that was just increesting the you know ridge to go

759
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: over the next one.

760
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, uh yeah, it's it's it's a different play.

761
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: New Mexico is definitely different. And I've heard all sorts

762
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: of advice. There's some guys never bugle, do now ever,

763
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: bugled only cow call. I tried that and they the

764
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: bulls wouldn't even answer my cow call. And they okay,

765
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: only use a open read cow call, you know, like

766
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: you know they'll bite and blow style. Okay, I'm blue

767
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: on that, Like, yeah, I didn't really seem to trip

768
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: their trigger and then I'd bugle out the boom they'd answer.

769
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: So but it almost kind of depend on the day too,

770
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: like not every day was the same. You know, you

771
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: chase them for a day or two and like you

772
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: do bugles in the next day, then it was it

773
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: was a lot different.

774
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: I've hunted a couple of different units, and one thing

775
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: I will say is they've never seen the same bowl

776
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: twice in New Mexico. Oh you know, even going into

777
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: the same area after a big whatever three fifty boll

778
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: we saw, I've never seen the same bowlt toy. And

779
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: all my times upon the balry, it just seems like

780
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: they're on a big circle, you know, and who knows

781
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: where they are the next day.

782
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: From my experience, yeah, I saw that too. They're always

783
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: on a big circuit. And the last place I hunted

784
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: New Mexico is close to an Indian reservation. I was

785
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: hunting the edge of that, and every day there was

786
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: less and less bugles on my side of the fence

787
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 1: and more of them on their side of the fence.

788
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: Is like, man, I better get this done, or there's

789
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: all the elker going to be over on the other

790
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: side where I can't hunt.

791
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, yeah, yeah.

792
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: You could just hear the chaos on the on the

793
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: on the res side, just they would go in behind

794
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: a ridge and you couldn't see what was going on,

795
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: but man, it sounded like there was forty bulls back

796
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: there just screaming all day long. And you're like, man,

797
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: I wish I could just see it. Didn't you have

798
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: a drawn or nothing.

799
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: I kind of a funny story hunting that same Indian

800
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: reservation line that you were. I called I had we

801
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: spotted the three forty five three fifty bowl right on

802
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: the edge with thirty eight cows standing right all the

803
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: fence on and I just messed with my buddy and

804
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: I said, I bet you money, I can call that

805
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: bull over here to you. I was already tagged out,

806
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 2: so I didn't have a bowl or tag and he's like, no,

807
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: you can't, and I'm like and I really didn't think

808
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: I could. But I was just you know, talks and

809
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: playing with it, and Carl went a wild me and

810
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: it sounded like the old Primos team behind them, you know,

811
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: getting treated break that bull. Left all thirty eight cows

812
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: and jump part fence and came right to our side,

813
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: and he tried a frontal shot on it, and I

814
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: watched them whirl around and basically look at us the

815
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: whole way. He was walking back and I was like,

816
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: that's not good. Jump the fence back to his cows

817
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: and the the DNR or whatever. The Indian drove us

818
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: around for two days looking for that bowl. And you

819
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: should see the trophies we got to see that are

820
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: on the other side of the fence.

821
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: Oh god, it was like a tour.

822
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: It was the funnest thing I've ever done. I mean,

823
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: there was giants everywhere.

824
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: Dang it. That's cool to be able to see behind

825
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: the curtain.

826
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

827
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: Sorry your buddy didn't get his bull though. What's your

828
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: take on frontal shots, man?

829
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: I you know, I tried to. I try to tell

830
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: them all my customers to not even chant it. Have

831
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: I killed several that way myself? Yeah? I have. I

832
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: definitely think it's a legal shot if you hit him

833
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 2: in the right spot. I think, my buddy, that one

834
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: was two quartered and I think you hit him in

835
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: the front and it came out behind the shoulder and

836
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: missed the viral completely. There really wasn't much of a

837
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: blood trail at all, and I mean it was false.

838
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: It was like nine air eleven yards or something like that.

839
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: Waited losing that ome. Yeah, I'm kind of I go

840
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: both ways on you know, I don't recommend it, but

841
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: at the same time, I'll payk one.

842
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: Right, right. I think. I think hunters, you know, just

843
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: have to be honest with themselves in the moment, you know.

844
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: And I feel like every bowl that comes into me,

845
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: I I'm not ic in my veins every time. I'm

846
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: not and I'm not like jacked up every time too.

847
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: It's like every time it's a little different. And there's

848
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: been times where I've been pretty excited when it out

849
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: comes in. It's like there'd be no way in hell

850
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: I'd be able to execute a good frontal shot. And

851
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: other times it'd be like, oh, yeah, this is good.

852
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: Like I shot a bowl frontal ones, I had my

853
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: bow drawn back, I could see his horns coming, and

854
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: he popped out of the brush and he literally walked

855
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: his chest right into my pin. I'm like, all right,

856
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: he's eighteen yards. It's just perfectly shot. And he ran

857
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: over there tipped over dead in forty seconds. You know.

858
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: It was like, holy cow, I can't believe it. But

859
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: then I get over there. I thought he was perfectly

860
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: straight frontal. Well, I get over there, and my arrow,

861
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, it didn't penetrate very far. I'm like, what

862
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: the heck. Well, I'd hit his like corroded artery juggler

863
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: whatever it is, there in the neck. I'd hit him

864
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: there instead of down the pipe, down the hole, you know,

865
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: the thracic opening there. And uh, he wasn't quite as

866
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: straight on as I thought, And I was just aiming

867
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: in the wrong spot, but luckily I got him. But

868
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: but still, like you, it's it's a it's a can

869
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: of worms to to try to do. I don't know.

870
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: I did kind of a quartering shot on a really

871
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: big bull up in North Idaho one year, called him

872
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: into like five yards, like oh, I watched Jason Phelps

873
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: shoot a ball on YouTube just like this in the

874
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: same in the same spot. I'm gonna go ahead and

875
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: shoot him right there. And I didn't hit the right

876
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: spot and it didn't penetrate good. It like hit the

877
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: tip of a shoulder or something, shoulder bone or something,

878
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: and uh, he ran off and I tracked him for like,

879
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: oh a mile and a half and never get in.

880
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: The blood dried up well. The next day I was

881
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: in there looking at I hear him bugle. He had

882
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: a really distinct bugle back to those. He didn't have

883
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: any high pitch due he his bugle at all. It's

884
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: just like, oh, yeah, that's him, that's him again. So

885
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: I answer him at bugle at him never I'd never

886
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: heard another word of him. He's probably like, that's a

887
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: son of a bitch that shot me.

888
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: Uh. I agree with that. I think a lot of

889
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: people don't really pay attention exactly how the body is

890
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: standing when they come in frontal. They always think it's

891
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: facing straight on. So many times it's quartered hard. You

892
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: see him in the chest, and then it comes up

893
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: with shouldery you know, and missus the behind the shouldered

894
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: and misses the vitals completely. I definitely think more you

895
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: need to pay attention exactly how that don't good standing.

896
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: I think that is a problem with people losing frontos

897
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: a lot.

898
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you had to pick one call to use

899
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: all season, and if you said, okay, this is all

900
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: you get, are you going to pick a cow call

901
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: or a bugle perceptible. Okay, yeah, me too. I mean

902
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: I use a cal call a lot. You know, I

903
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: cal call pretty heavy, but I google more than a

904
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: cal caol. But it's almost like, I'm like, all right,

905
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: there's cows over here. I want to give you a

906
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: reason to come over and fight. Like, sure, you want

907
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: to fight, you know, if you can get them to

908
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: fight without any cow calls or whatever. But I want

909
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: them to think there's a good reason there to come

910
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: over and fight and beat this bowl. There's cows here,

911
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: there's something to win over.

912
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do it all. I do. Think I would

913
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: say if I, you know, added up, you know what

914
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: works the best throughout a season for me. I I

915
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: really do chuckle in a lot of them, you know

916
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: what I mean? A lot of times it's copying what

917
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: they're doing or imitating them, but I I really do

918
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: call in a lot of elk with chuckles. A lot

919
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: of people don't like it or you know, say it

920
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: doesn't work for them. But I think if you're you know,

921
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: you're good, and you practice a lot, and I just

922
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: think there's not a lot of people out there that

923
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: can chuckle great. And then I just don't you know,

924
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: if you're hunting a pressured area. They'll come to chuckle

925
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: before google can alcohol a lot of times. Yeah, and

926
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: that's my opinion obviously.

927
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I agree with you. You know, there's

928
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: there's some there's some information out there nowadays. You know,

929
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: there's a there's a guy, he's a good friend of mine,

930
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: and he's like, never chuckle at a bowl, you know,

931
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: never ever chuckle the ball. Always just do like he

932
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: calls it a bull calling cow's bugle. He does a scream,

933
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: kind of a short scream, which does work too, but

934
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: he's like, never chuckle a bull. But man, I just

935
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: like you. I've chuckled in so many bulls with chuckling

936
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: only and then bugling and chuckling. Seems like some bulls

937
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: just chuckle a lot, and they like it when you

938
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: chuckle at him, like there they you know, they get

939
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: mad when you chuckle back at him, where some bulls

940
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: don't chuckle a lot. I kind of just go with

941
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: what the bull's doing.

942
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: Percent I do that exact same thing, and I really

943
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: do try to copy him and you know, imitate it

944
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: on those much as possible, and they just they get irritated.

945
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: They don't like that.

946
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I try not to get I don't try

947
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: to take my aggression or my vibe any higher than theirs.

948
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: I try to like keep it at the same, if

949
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: not a little less, especially if it's early in the

950
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 1: conversation or early in the argument, whatever you want to say.

951
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: My son, he was trying to tell his wife about,

952
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, what elk calling is all about, and she's like,

953
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't get it. He's like, well, you're basically arguing

954
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: with an elkie, you know, until you get him mad

955
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: enough to come fight. He's She's like, okay, you're you're

956
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: having an argument with a wild animal. Oh okay, Like

957
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: I never thought of that before. I was like, that's funny,

958
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: you know for me, Yeah, from people who are who

959
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: aren't elk hunters or callers, like, it's a it's a

960
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: funny perspective. But yeah, that's that's pretty accurate. But anyway, Yeah,

961
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: I like to try to match their their their intensity,

962
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: you know, I don't and I like I like to

963
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: let them kind of like escalate first before I escalate.

964
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I probably should have said that earlier when

965
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: you asked me if I'm a big bull bugler kind

966
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: of a smaller I kind of do what they do

967
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: more than anything, you know, I kind of I should

968
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: have said that, you know, leave it up to the bowl.

969
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: I'm kind of you know, you know, imitate and like

970
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: we were talking about.

971
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: Right, I found some of those really big old growler bowls.

972
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: If I try to bugle wimpy at them, they're just like, yeah,

973
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 1: I'm not really interested. But I start bringing the same heat,

974
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: the same intensity as they're giving. They're like, Okay, yeah,

975
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: this guy's a possible rival here. I'm going to tell

976
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: him to shut his mouth.

977
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's different everywhere you hunt. Like I said,

978
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: I wearn a lot. I learn every day, same thing

979
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: as you said, we get to learn. I mean, you

980
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 2: learn every single day you're out there. But I definitely

981
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: think I'm better at honey elk in my ear than

982
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: I have other dates.

983
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I agree, Yeah, I'm the same, same, same.

984
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: There are some some cool places to hunt out that

985
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: that are similar, Like Wyoming. It's you know, a lot

986
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: of the elk there like to fight. At least the

987
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: places I've gone they like to. They want to fight.

988
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: Montana some of the place I've been in Montana. Man,

989
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: it's tough. It's tough. Well, just finding bulls, it'll bugle

990
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: the haven't just been molested, you know, by the general public.

991
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: It's tough, so you know, finding those little pockets and

992
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: bulls that want to fight, it's it's a lot tougher,

993
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: well for at least for me. I think once a

994
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: guy cracks that code and kind of gets his spot

995
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: dialed in and knows, you know, has elk that like

996
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: to fight, and then they haven't been pressured a lot,

997
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: I think it could be really, really good, But I

998
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: just haven't found that spot yet.

999
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: I kind of have a little bit of an advantage

1000
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: owning mules. So what I like to do is hit

1001
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: all the roadsides stuff early and the easy stuff that

1002
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 2: I know that everyone's going to come in and massacre.

1003
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: I try to be the first one and all that stuff,

1004
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, and and then I go to the back

1005
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: country and mules later in the season, so I can

1006
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: kind of get away from people or the pressured elk anyway,

1007
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: maybe not people get away from the call. So kind

1008
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: of a kind of cheating a little bit, But mules

1009
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: are a blessing.

1010
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if I said I wasn't jealous, I'd be lying, Yeah,

1011
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: that's that's awesome. I wish. I wish my legs would

1012
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: be able to take me to those places.

1013
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's kind of funny. I don't really use

1014
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 2: them to help for myself. I'm pretty hard hit. It'll

1015
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: usually walk anywhere. But once you're guid and you know,

1016
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: the clients can't go as good, so you gotta use

1017
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: them as much as.

1018
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to keep them in the game. You

1019
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: don't want to burn them out the first day or two. Yeah,

1020
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: So let's talk about October a little bit. October tenth

1021
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: in your country is the opener, isn't it.

1022
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: Yep? That's opay.

1023
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you guys get any bugles that first week season?

1024
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: Yes, it all depends on the weather. A lot of

1025
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: times we'll get a snow between October first and tenth

1026
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: when the season's closed, and that shuts everything right down

1027
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: where I if you got beautiful weather sixty seventies, they'll

1028
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: still be talking a little bit. Uh Am, I gonna

1029
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: run around trying to call him in every day. No,

1030
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: I've prayer at them for the full month beforehand, so

1031
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: I try to just use the locate, you know, and

1032
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: then set up cross bridges, you know, and shoot across

1033
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: at them. But those big bulls. Typically by the end

1034
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 2: for me, the big bulls have already left their cows.

1035
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: You got some of the smaller six points of five

1036
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: points running all the cows around. Usually you get on

1037
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: a big one, you'll find them by themselves that time

1038
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: of the year in my area. So hey, it just

1039
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: depends on how picky the hunter is, whether you know,

1040
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: we'll try to stay with the cows if you just

1041
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: want to shoot a decent bull, or if we're trophy hunting.

1042
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking for those single bowls that are

1043
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: off on their own, trying to hit the real back country,

1044
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: getting like from the roads.

1045
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: And so yeah, yeah, I've kind of had that same experience.

1046
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: It seems like that that that big shitty weather or

1047
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: snow that that happens between September and October tenth really

1048
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: does some some something for that calling like usually always bad.

1049
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 1: It'll be going good and then it just shuts them down.

1050
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: I'd see those hunts on TV where her streaming in

1051
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: the snow. I guess they're jealous because I've never seen

1052
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: that they don't. Maybe one time ever I had a

1053
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: good three twenty three thirty bulls streaming in the snow.

1054
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: But most of the time they shut right down, and

1055
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: where I am, they'll actually migrate out too. You get

1056
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: too much snow, you know. Ever since the ninety five

1057
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: ninety six winter, they don't mess around with snow. They

1058
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: got it in their heads. Now. No, it starts to fly,

1059
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: they start walking out. But then you got to hunt

1060
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: a whole different area guiding, you know, we got to

1061
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: go down down in elevation.

1062
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I've had bulls the opening week

1063
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: bugling like crazy. At one time, I had a little

1064
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: snow come in and they were cracking off a little bit.

1065
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: My son and I we were following them around and

1066
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: this bull was bugling every little bit and just never

1067
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: could catch him. It's like, oh, and then he kind

1068
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: of started doing money bugles from one spot for a while.

1069
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: All right, they're bedding down right here, so let's just

1070
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: sit down and wait them out. Let's wait till you know,

1071
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: this evening, afternoon whatever they start getting active again. Maybe well,

1072
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, the sun was coming out and the snow

1073
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: was dripping out of the trees, like okay, you only

1074
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: had a skiff, you know, So we sat down and

1075
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: pretty soon it's like, ah, my son, you know, he

1076
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: was I don't know, fifteen or something at the time,

1077
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: and he lays down. Pretty soon he's sleeping. I'm like,

1078
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: I might kick back and take a little nap too.

1079
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: It's pretty early morning, and we got up. So I'm

1080
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: sleeping and I'm rudely awoken by hoof beats and I

1081
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: look up just to see this freaking dandy like three

1082
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: hundred inch bowl just running by. I'm like, oh God,

1083
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: So I shake him like well, I grabbed my bolt,

1084
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: my bugle right away and just scream and I shake

1085
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: Austin awake. I'm like, get up, get up, there's a bull.

1086
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: So I get him stud up and and I kind

1087
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: of seen where the bull went, and I got him

1088
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: by the shoulders, like you know, driving my son right

1089
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: to where okay, stand right here. Pretty soon he raised

1090
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: his rifle and puts it raised his rifle and puts

1091
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: it raisy rifle, boom shoots. I'm like, I couldn't see

1092
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: the bull. I'm like, did you get in my Oh yeah,

1093
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: but I didn't hear no flopping around or nothing. I'm like,

1094
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: it was just silent, huh. And all of a sudden,

1095
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: that bull just takes off running. So we give a

1096
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: little bed I'm like, where did you shoot? He's like

1097
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: in the neck. I'm like, were you steady? He's like,

1098
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: f no, I wasn't wasn't steady. You just woke me up.

1099
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 1: So I go over there. I start following tracks, and

1100
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: there's not a bit of blood. He completely missed him

1101
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: this deep shot at like, I know, ten fifteen yards,

1102
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: so that's a pretty tough shot anyway. I think you

1103
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: probably see hair in the scope and you just jerk

1104
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: the trigger. But I start following tracks and follow he

1105
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: just plowing, you know, down the hill and then hit

1106
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: the crick and went up the other side. And yeah,

1107
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: there's no blood. I'm like, well, that opportunity was gone.

1108
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: But like we'd like set there for two hours and

1109
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: hadn't made a peep in two hours. But what that

1110
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: bull did, for my best calculations is he put his

1111
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: girls to bed, and then he'd be like, you know,

1112
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: I heard that other bowl over there, I heard some

1113
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: cow calls, I'm gonna go check that out, and you

1114
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: just come over there quiet, you know, walked right up

1115
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: on us and stared as sleeping. So that's one other

1116
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: reason why I kind of, you know, back to that

1117
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: point of like give it things some time and be patient.

1118
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: Man.

1119
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can just be patient and they'll just come

1120
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: back to you.

1121
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. That reminds me of the time a couple of

1122
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: years ago I had a rifle hunter. He shot at

1123
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: this bullet six hundred yards on the dot. It shot

1124
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: fifteen times. I never even had that many bullets with him.

1125
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: This birrel stayed eating under being down to like fire.

1126
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: I think we got to five hundred and thirty two

1127
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 2: yards and literally on shot fifteen was the only time

1128
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: it even picked up a legger's head. And I'm like,

1129
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: you might have hit him on the last shot. So

1130
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: we're like, Rob, we'll give it two or three hours

1131
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: to die. We're kind of in a big bowl. And

1132
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: we sat there two hours later. That bowl had done

1133
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: a whole loop around the bowl. We're just sitting there

1134
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: about dozing off, deciding what time we're going to go

1135
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: look for blood. And I heard hood's an antler crashing

1136
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: below us, you know, on our side of the canyon. Ye,

1137
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: what was that? And I said, I'm pretty sure that

1138
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: was your bowl, and that bowl just yeah, he fed

1139
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: all the way around the canyon. We never touched him

1140
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: at five hundred. From six hundred to five hundred and

1141
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: thirty yards. That guy missed every shot with a He

1142
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: had a three hundred, but he only had a three

1143
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: by Erne and scope and it was not enought.

1144
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: Old Kentucky wind. Did you I guess?

1145
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I roote down. It is gone. And the first

1146
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: thing that came out of my mouth was, oh, no,

1147
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna miss.

1148
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. So once the bugling's over once, once you

1149
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: can't hear bugles anymore during October, what are you doing?

1150
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: Are you just glassing? Is it a glass?

1151
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? That point, Yeah, a lot of glass. And where

1152
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: I'm at in the north Sideaho, there's a lot of

1153
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: meadows and glades that they especially when the weather changes.

1154
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: Hopefully not the snow. A lot of times we'll get

1155
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: rain right after that, and I like the stormier wetter days.

1156
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 2: It's usually always foggy, so that's you're contending with the fog.

1157
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: But once the fog clears, a lot of glasses in

1158
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: those meadows, they look gae I say meadows, they look

1159
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: like meadows. Most of them are brush fields. You have

1160
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: to be shooting from one side to the neck, you know.

1161
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: But I try to find them in those older fields,

1162
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: you know, And m stuff like that. I don't do

1163
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: too much calling after the first week of bright well.

1164
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I had a question. What was it. So

1165
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: once the do you find like, once you get a

1166
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: lot of the leaves off that brush to it makes

1167
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: it a lot easier spot them.

1168
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: Oh it's night and day.

1169
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: Man.

1170
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: The years that we have real warm weather, it cuts

1171
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: my success in half. Honestly with the leaves being on.

1172
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 2: The worst for me is when all the leaves turn yellow,

1173
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: because everything looks you know, it really does. It cuts

1174
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: my success right in half. You know, knows those leaves

1175
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 2: fall off, I can see so much more.

1176
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so typically that by the time, you know,

1177
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: end of October, by the the last week or so,

1178
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: then you're like, man, you know you can usually count

1179
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: on some of them leaves being gone.

1180
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. It seems like if you get a snow or

1181
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: like I said, that real cold, late season rain, they'll

1182
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: leave the leave a lot that you know, they call

1183
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: up a lot quickly.

1184
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: So a lot of people that have a hunted country

1185
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: like that, they don't understand that that rain in North

1186
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: Idaho rain like how long are you dry from the

1187
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: time you step out of the tent so you step

1188
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: into the brush like.

1189
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: So for me, it's we started saddling our mules at

1190
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 2: two fifty am, so usually about three o'clock I've already

1191
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: got a couple of mules saddled. I'm soaked from that

1192
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: point all I don't even try to go change back

1193
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: in different angers. It's like, you know, I just we

1194
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: as long as they stay were all day, it's fine.

1195
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 2: You know. Once I'm wet, I'm wet. It suck to

1196
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: get wet at first, but there, just do it in

1197
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: the dark. Can suffer all there.

1198
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep moving, keep warm. Do you find like on

1199
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: those downpour days, like once it finally does like quit

1200
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: and the sun comes out a little bit, man, the

1201
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: elk just pop out.

1202
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like for sure they move right after

1203
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: the storm is the best for us. The worst is

1204
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: when you get that bluebird days for seven days straight,

1205
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, when it's seventy degrees there, nothing moves like,

1206
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 2: you don't even see no clear dose at that time.

1207
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy how the wood just shuts down.

1208
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 1: Everything turns into a vampire at that point.

1209
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other thing I really haven't said much about,

1210
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: like for rif Fonton in my country, and you said

1211
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 2: earlier about bulls going to bed early at eight o'clock.

1212
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: It's like for me, I have that last forty five

1213
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: minutes before dark and I only have an hour in

1214
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: the morning. A lot of times in rifle season, it's

1215
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: really tough. They did not move all day like some states,

1216
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: you know, it's different, and they bed out so early

1217
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 2: whom it almost doesn't give you a chance A lot

1218
00:56:58,760 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: of times.

1219
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially on those blue bird days, like

1220
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: like you say, you're just like, you're just nothing. You'd

1221
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: there's not a living creature out here that Those are

1222
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: frustrating days. Man, You're like, man, why can't I even

1223
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: turn up with your dough?

1224
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's it's uh, you know, it's bittersweet because

1225
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 2: you love having a nice weather. You're not getting snowed

1226
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: and rain now, but you've seen nothing. Yeah, it's just

1227
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: really slow and that actually that's what happened to us

1228
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: the first week last year, and then second week the

1229
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: weather rolled in. We smacked some nice bowler up about. Yeah. Yeah,

1230
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: that's awesome.

1231
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: So do you have any cool hunts lighting up this fall?

1232
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: Are you getting the old home turf there?

1233
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. I am just hunting elk and Idaho,

1234
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: and I'll probably do hunt and I'm Plahoma, but that's

1235
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: pretty much it. Uh oh. I got a guy in

1236
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: two weeks, well, kind of three weeks. One of my

1237
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: best friends with me every year, but I take him hunting,

1238
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: so pretty much hunt by myself for one week, hunt

1239
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: with my best friend one week, and then huh uh,

1240
00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: and then guide the rest of the sea.

1241
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: So oh yeah.

1242
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: It seems like every year I get a little less

1243
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: time because I get these repeat customers that want to

1244
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: keep coming back, and it's so hard to tell them no,

1245
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 2: I'm using my days of elk.

1246
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you a one man band or do you

1247
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: have other guides that help you?

1248
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: Now I have other guides. I'll usually run three elk

1249
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 2: guides and then there'll be a bear guide in camp

1250
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 2: at the same time. In the fall, we do our

1251
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: Archeril cunts at the same time as fall bear, so

1252
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: it's just two weeks of four Archeril hunters and two

1253
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: weeks of four fall bear hunters at the same time.

1254
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I was going to ask you about your

1255
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: fall bear. If you guys run any fall fall bear.

1256
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, not many, just a yeah. That's all over

1257
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 2: bit and Uh. It makes a nice having the bear

1258
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: guide in camp at the same time too, because it

1259
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: gives you one more person to help you pack out

1260
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: and ELK. If you get one in an l you know, yeah,

1261
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: just more hands to help it'll go.

1262
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's awesome. Well, man, I appreciate you coming

1263
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: on today. Is there anything else you can think of

1264
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: you want to talk about on on?

1265
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: Uh?

1266
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: Hunting ELK and calling ELK?

1267
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: No, I think I I think I did pretty good.

1268
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: I didn't forget as much of what I did last time.

1269
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: I know how it is. You get out into a

1270
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: conversation or you get in a podcast and talk about something,

1271
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: then an hour later you're like, man, I should have

1272
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Speaker 1: talked about this or that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, after our last month a lot, but it came

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Speaker 2: to mind. But I think I did a little better

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Speaker 2: this time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he did great. He did good both times.

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Speaker 1: But well, where can people find you? If they want

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Speaker 1: to look you up?

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Speaker 2: Okay, on Facebook you can look up Rustle Pond and

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Speaker 2: dbar c Outfitters, or on Instagram, and then we have

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Speaker 2: a website well www. Dot russell Pond dot com. Or

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Speaker 2: if you just want to see the stuff that I'm

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Speaker 2: going you can follow me Chris cabral on Facebook or Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Yeah cool cool, Well, thanks man, appreciate you having on

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Speaker 1: having you on the show and look forward to seeing

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Speaker 1: your success.

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Speaker 2: Is Faul that happened? Thanks, Thanks a lot, It's always

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Speaker 2: good talking to you, dude.

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Speaker 1: Heck yeah yeah, we'll catch everybody on the flip flock

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