1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: I hear from people all the time, Spencer. I would 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: love to get involved with hunting in the outdoors, but 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: I live on a half acre. I don't have accessibility 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: to land, and I certainly don't have money to spend 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: up membership. And while that might be true, there are 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: actually good ways where you can get involved in the 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: outdoors and have a better success freate just by doing 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: a couple of little things. Today on Lines and Times, 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: the premiere Hunting and Fishing podcast, we're going to talk 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: to Morgan Hilton. Morgan runs an outfitter called Almost Heaven 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Plantation in the low country of South Carolina. We're going 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: to talk about the strengths and weaknesses, the opportunities and 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: the threats at all face hunting. But we're also going 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: to break down where Morgan came from and how she 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: got involved in becoming maybe one of the youngest general 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: managers and owners of an outfitter in the country. Morgan, 17 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: where are you from? 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: Originally from Beckley, West Virginia, so hence the name of 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: Almost Heeven case you're familiar with the John Denver song 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: that everybody loves to listen. 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 1: To, you do you want to get into an argument 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: right off the rip about that song, do it? You 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: know it's not about the state of West Virginia. 24 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of picked up on that, but it 25 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: mentions it, so we're going with it. 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: But see, that's what's so funny to me is it's 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: it's actually about Western Virginia exactly. And when people see Mountain, yeah, 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: because that's. 29 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: Where Gella Valley. 30 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: That's where I'm from. So every yes, So every time 31 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: I hear people talk about John Denver and almost Heaven, 32 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going he's talking about Route eighty one, 33 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: Highway eighty one, Interstate eighty one in Virginia. He's talking 34 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: about that because as a kid, I used to go 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: to West Virginia all the time. I would take my 36 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: jeep and go four wheeling. I would go to Timberline 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: and go skiing. I would go to Snowshoe like all 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: these different places in West Virginia. And I love the state. 39 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: It was. It's a beautiful state. It gets trashed on 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: a lot, but it's a great state. 41 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 3: It does. 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: And in the winters are a little bit more you know, 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: rough there compared to what I'm living in South Carolina. 44 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: Now, So what was the transition you grew up in Beckley. 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure your parents and family were involved in coal mining, 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: since that's kind of the big thing in Beckley. 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: Absolutely so, and we still have some property up there 48 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: that we go up and visit and things, but otherwise 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: we kind of transition down here for having a different 50 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: kind of opportunity and somewhere that you could either hunt 51 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: or you could fish all year round. Like there's there's 52 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: no breaks down here in the South. There's always something 53 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: going on. 54 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: But you went to South Carolina after West Virginia, Like, 55 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: were you done with college and then you moved down 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: there or were you kind of always thinking after high school, 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: this is where I'm going to end up. 58 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: So in the middle of my high school years is 59 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: actually when I made that transition. I saw that there 60 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: was a good potential for a college opportunity for me 61 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: down here, and we had just bought the property and 62 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: kind of developed that a little bit, so it was 63 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: something I wanted to be a part of more and 64 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: so I saw that as a good place. 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: For me to be. 66 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: So where did you go end up going to college? 67 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 2: University of South Carolina. That's where my degrees are from. 68 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 2: I've got business management and the hospitality management, which fit 69 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: right into what I'm doing. 70 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Do you do you feel that that was the best 71 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: possible choice, then. 72 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: I do. I'm very happy with my degrees of choice. 73 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: I did want to stay close to what I'm calling home, 74 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: would be here just because my dad was sick for 75 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: many years, and so I wanted to be close to 76 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: him and take the opportunity to be on the property and. 77 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: Learn all those values from him. So I didn't go 78 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: away to school. 79 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: I had some other places in mind that I was 80 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 2: looking at, some more business schools. 81 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 3: But I'm very happy with the choice I made. 82 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: So you had no interest in staying in West Virginia 83 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: and lighting couches on fire, No. 84 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm not gonna say I'm not a 85 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: WBU fan. We were a split household between WVU and Marshall. 86 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: But yes, I moved on South. 87 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, now you're in South Carolina. Your family owns 88 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: almost Heaven Plantation. It's a wonderful piece of property. You've 89 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: got upland hunting, you have deer hunting, you have trophy 90 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: bass fishing lakes, which is just incredible. It really does 91 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: feel like kind of a Heaven kind of scenario. 92 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Goes back to that always something to do. 93 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: I mean that is almost heaven because there's always something 94 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: going on. 95 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: But now that you're doing the management side, do you 96 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: get to enjoy the property for what you guys bought 97 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: it for? 98 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: Not near as much as I would like to. 99 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: I think that's pretty much anybody in this kind of position. 100 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: You realize there's a lot of work that goes into it, 101 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: and another year round thing to do is the work 102 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: that goes in the management side of it. If you're 103 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: not deer in the midst of your season with people here, 104 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: you're in the out of season and you're trying to 105 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: plan everything to make next to your even better for them. 106 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: Your family always saw this as an outfitter opportunity or 107 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: did they just see this as a family piece of 108 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: ground and then you eventually helped them see the light 109 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: of being an outfitter. 110 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: That's exactly how it went. We started out this was 111 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: kind of a private place. We hunted on it just ourselves, 112 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: but we saw that we're in such a great place. 113 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: We're in the heart of the South Carolina low country, 114 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: so we're only like thirty minutes from Savannah, Georgia. Two 115 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: hours from Augusta, Columbia, an hour and a half from Charleston, 116 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: not too far from Hilton Head. 117 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 3: So we're in just a great hub spot. 118 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of plantation and large land chunks 119 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: in this area, but there's none that we're really commercialized, 120 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: and so we were able to take advantage of that 121 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: business opportunity and be able to share this with others. 122 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: Did that come with some hardships? 123 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: It did at this start, and it's still always will 124 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: because when we first started it, you know, this is 125 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: a very private place and now you're sharing it with 126 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: all these people. Granted, it's a wonderful thing and I 127 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: love getting to meet new people and be able to 128 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: teach you know, what I know and what we've learned here. 129 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: But it's also, you know, kind of that invasion of 130 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 2: privacy that you have to get used to of having 131 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: a private place that goes public. 132 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? 133 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: So I still live on property, and so we have 134 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: people that come and stay with us. You know, if 135 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: you live on property, you're on the clock twenty. 136 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: Four to seven, so you don't really feel like you 137 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: get a break then, no, But I love it. Well, 138 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: it's great that you guys made that decision. I know 139 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: some people that have had healthy chunks of land and 140 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: when they decided to go to an outfitter or more 141 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: of a commercial space, they got a lot of flag 142 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: from people in the community. Did that happen with you guys? 143 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: Luckily not. 144 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to knock on wood, but a lot of 145 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: that goes to the area itself. 146 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 3: I mean, this is what everybody loves to do here. 147 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: It's just a way of life. We've met so many 148 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: great people. 149 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: Along the way and so many like minded individuals that 150 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: it made that transition pretty easy for us, and we've 151 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: had a lot of support with it. 152 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: Take me back to West Virginia. I want to kind 153 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: of get a sense of who you are as a 154 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: child and what got your passion for the outdoors going. 155 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: Your mom and dad were involved in the coal mining industry. 156 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: Is that where it started or that's correct. 157 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: Yes, So we've got several generations where that go back 158 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: into the coal mining industry. But that's a lot of 159 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: where my dad's background was of something that he flourished 160 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: in and we had, like I said, some property up there, 161 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: and so that's where we lived and spent a lot 162 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: of our time in the woods. We had a shed dog, 163 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: a lab that would retrieve you know, antlers in the woods, 164 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: and so every weekend sometimes that's all we would do 165 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: is just walk for hours, learning trails, making new trails. 166 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: You know, we had horses and we trail ride through 167 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: the woods and cut new paths. I mean, all kinds 168 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: of things that are going on to just be able 169 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: to be one with the land and be involved with it. 170 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: You mentioned that you were from several generations of coal miners, 171 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: so obviously your dad didn't really start the business. As 172 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: far as getting involved in coal mining. His father, I'm assuming, 173 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: was a coal miner as well. How far back does 174 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: that go. 175 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: Probably as far back as that you can believe. We 176 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: were in Virginia first and then moved to West Virginia, 177 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: and I'm talking several generations back. But as far as 178 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: what my dad did is it's similar to almost what 179 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: you're saying of kind of what I did here. Of 180 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: he took that coal mining industry to the next level. 181 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: So so he founded what was called the Friends of 182 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: Coal organization. So instead of being just a part of 183 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: the mine, he was big into land, which in Stato, 184 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: West Virginia. If you're big in the land, that also 185 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: means that you're big into coal. So you saw that 186 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: opportunity there and was able to turn a lot of 187 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: these old strip mines into different things. So like the 188 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: Boy Scouts of America, they're new, I say, he is 189 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: probably about ten years old, but they're a jamboree place 190 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: that's up there. So that used to be a strip 191 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: mine that he owned, and so they worked on that 192 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 2: for many years. But then he donated that land to 193 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: the Boy Scouts to be able to have a place. 194 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: To host that. 195 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: So what's a strip mine if somebody's just listening to 196 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: lines and Times and they're like, we talk and fish, 197 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: and what's the strip mine all about? 198 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: So you have two different types of coal mining. One 199 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: is deep mine and that's the one that you typically 200 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 2: think about when you're in the coal mining industry, where 201 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: you're digging underground and it's a very cold, dark kind 202 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: of situation. The strip mine is where you kind of 203 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: start from the top and you strip the layers of 204 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: the ground to get to that coal level and you're 205 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: taking that out. 206 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: Is that the kind of mining that makes these giant quarries, 207 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: so these big open pits that people say yes, okay. 208 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good way to think of it. It's 209 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: not quite a rock quarry, but it is you're digging down. 210 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: Ironically, I do a lot of diving, and sometimes old 211 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: quarries are the best places to do some diving because 212 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: the water clarity tends to be really good because whatever 213 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: is happening under the surface, the minerals and how they 214 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: mix in with the water. You get like, there's some 215 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: quarries that look like you're in the Caribbean. 216 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: Wow. 217 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've heard of. 218 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: A good rock quarry in Florida to go fishing. 219 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: Too, tons. I mean, it's like if there's if there's 220 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: an old quarry and they are able to get water 221 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: in there. There's some about the sediment and something about 222 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: how the planet just kind of had good mineral sources 223 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: in that area. It cleans up the water like crazy. Okay, 224 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: So your dad does the coal mining thing. He gets 225 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: really big into land. Friends of Coal sounds like a nonprofit. 226 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: Was that his goal was to you know, I don't 227 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: know what was the goal of Friends of Coal. 228 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: Goal of Friends of Coal was to educate the public 229 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: on the good side of what coal mining is. So 230 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: that started around two thousand, which was when some of 231 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: these media industries got a little bit bigger and more 232 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: of this stuff became public knowledge of Hey, coal mining's bad, 233 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: it's not good for the environment, so on and so forth. 234 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: And so what the Friends of Coal is. It's an 235 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: organization that is to subport support and promote what the 236 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: good side is, what clean coal is, How technology has 237 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: developed in how much coal impacts all of our daily lives. 238 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, much more than just the energy source, Like, there's 239 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: so many other uses that coal goes into. And you know, 240 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm not some boddy to weigh the environmental side to 241 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: anything else because honestly, I don't really know much about it. 242 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: But I do know that there are a lot of 243 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: people in a lot of different states. West Virginia is 244 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: obviously big for coal mining, but there's a lot of 245 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: coal that goes all throughout the US. So your dad 246 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: has retired in coal mining and then decided for his retirement, 247 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: let's go to South Carolina and purchase this property. 248 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely wanted to move on to the next business venture. 249 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: Wow, So your dad's always been business minded, not just 250 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: like digging coal with a hammer and a pickaxe and 251 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: all that stuff. 252 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: Definitely from the start, always looked for the opportunity. 253 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: All right, you mentioned earlier that when you went to school, 254 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: your dad wasn't too doing too great. Is he still 255 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: with us? 256 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 3: No, he passed us a few months ago. 257 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: So how big of an impact was that on you? 258 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: Major? Major? 259 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: It won luckily since I knew a little bit ahead 260 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: of time that he wasn't doing well, we always kept 261 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: I hopes of him to get better, as when most 262 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: people do. But it was huge for me to realize, 263 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: you know, he was such an idol to me that 264 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 2: I would strive to be like him and still do 265 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: and want to make him proud. And so that has 266 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: really kind of influxed of my decision of where I 267 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: want to go and. 268 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: Be in life. 269 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: It's also difficult too when you lose a parent, because 270 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: you spend really your entire life hoping that you make 271 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: them proud. I'm sure your dad shared with you several 272 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: times that you made him proud and that you want 273 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: to continue and carry out that legacy. I go through 274 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: that my dad and family owns nursing homes and has 275 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: operated him since nineteen seventy and there's a big part 276 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: of me that was like, man, maybe I should have 277 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: gotten into that. But my dad would always tell me, 278 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: you need to go out and go do your own thing, 279 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: because you can make me more proud doing what you 280 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: want to do than trying to follow in my footsteps. 281 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: So do you feel that you're following in your father's 282 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: footsteps or are you making him proud in the way 283 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: that you feel his. 284 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 2: Best I'm gonna say a little bit of both. We 285 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: were very like minded in the best ways. But oftentimes 286 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: I still have those conversations of you know, what would 287 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: he want versus what I would want, and kind of 288 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: find wherever that middle place would be for this business 289 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: in particularly, but otherwise, no, the outdoor industry is always 290 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: where I've wanted to be since I was very young. 291 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: You know. 292 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: We talk about hunting and fishing and things. 293 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: I was going through a photo album the other night 294 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: and I found a picture that had the date on 295 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: the back where I was just two weeks old sitting 296 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 2: on the front of a bass boat. 297 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: So I talk about barn and grays. Two weeks old. 298 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: Pretty young. 299 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: Your parents didn't tell you if you fell in, did they? 300 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: They just said, now she was good. 301 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: I never never heard any part of that. 302 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: There you go, that's good, yeah, because those are the 303 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: pictures that don't always make it into the photo album. 304 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: How do you kind of look at the property and 305 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: then decide this is what we want to do in 306 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: these areas. 307 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: So there is. 308 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: Always management to be done. So it's not necessarily major changes, 309 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: but it's just little things that you got to keep 310 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: up with and a lot of that goes into learning 311 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: from other people, kind of getting their inputs, having biologists 312 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: come in and see what they have to say, do 313 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: some testings. But it's always constant little changes that are going. 314 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: On in the hunting industry. Everybody thinks it's under attack, 315 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: and while there's anti hunters that are out there, hunting 316 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: itself is still a fabric of life. It's the oldest 317 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: thing that exists on planet Earth, dates back all the 318 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: way before the Ice Age and all that kind of stuff. 319 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: But when you look at some of the strengths of 320 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: hunting and some of the weaknesses, what are those things 321 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: that stick out to you? 322 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: As far as drinks go, it goes just to like 323 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: what you're saying, it's the people. It's the people that 324 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: are involved in it, and there's so much funding that 325 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: comes from having the right licenses and tags and things 326 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: that go to support wildlife conservation, and that goes towards 327 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: not just the animals, but to the land that they're on. 328 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: When I know, just from this two thousand acres, the 329 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: amount of management that goes on to be able to 330 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: promote that next generation and wild population of quail and 331 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: other species. I mean there's millions of acres just around 332 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: here that are impacted by this. 333 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Robertson Pittman Act is something that the casual 334 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: person has no idea, but when they really do a 335 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: deep dive, and I really do hope that if anybody's 336 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast and they're against hunting, look into 337 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: the amount of money that goes from sales of firearms, 338 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: archery all the way to ammunition sales. And then look 339 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: at how much money comes from the federal government goes 340 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: to different states. Some states get, you know, a couple million, 341 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: other states get way more than that, depending on what 342 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: they have. But it's all funded by hunters and the outdoorsmen, 343 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: who I've said this to a lot of people. Outdoorsmen 344 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: do more for the protection of animals and the growth 345 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: of populations than the anti hunter ever will absolutely and 346 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that comes down to the 347 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: funds that are raised. Like I see people talking about, 348 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, oh, the hunting in South Africa. It's just 349 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: going out there and it's big money from the West, 350 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: and it's to eradicate poaching. But all they're trying to 351 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: do is take a picture of an animal. If they 352 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: knew how much one person's hunt of ten thousand dollars 353 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: impacted the economy in South Africa, their minds would be blown. 354 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever traveled for hunting or 355 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: if you've gone to South Africa, but I landed in 356 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: South Africa and I was driving four hours and we 357 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: were on what they consider a highway you and I. 358 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: I would consider it a rural road that's just like 359 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: beat up and some of it's dirt and potholes all 360 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: over the place. But I witnessed five or six guys 361 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: on a side of this highway with weed eaters, and 362 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: they were mowing the grass. And I'm sitting there thinking 363 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: to myself, why wouldn't you just get them a mower? 364 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: So I asked the guy who was driving, I go, 365 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: it's kind of rare to see six guys with weed eaters. 366 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: Why don't you do that? And they go one mower, 367 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: one job, six guys with six eight weed eaters is 368 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: six positions there. Their unemployment rate is forty two percent 369 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: between the ages of eighteen and sixty five males working. 370 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: Wow. 371 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: So they create jobs by making the work a little harder, 372 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: but they're trying to get more people into the workforce 373 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: and that's how they do it. It's like if you 374 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: go to get your hair cut and they were using 375 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: the world's smallest little scissors to try to cut your hair, 376 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: we'd all be like, this is an efficient But places 377 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: with terrible unemployment, that's what they need. Hunting is the 378 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: second largest industry in South Africa, just behind diamond mining, 379 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: and it is the sole reason why that entire country 380 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: has not collapsed yet because of the fact that you 381 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: have people coming in to spend tens of thousands of 382 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: dollars to go after animals in an ethical way to 383 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: make sure that you're protecting species, but you're also giving 384 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: people jobs in the ability to feed their own family. 385 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely never thought of it that way. 386 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: And we don't have those issues here in the United States, right. 387 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: Like the big thing in the United States is if 388 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: you want to go hunt you can hunt. I think 389 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: one of the biggest issues that we have is accessibility 390 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: to land. 391 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: Yes, and that's something too that kind of goes hand 392 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: in hand with new hunters, a new generation either one 393 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: of those of a place that supports that, because there's 394 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 2: a lot of outfitters where you're going to pay top 395 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: dollar and you're just expected to know what to do. 396 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: Where I like to welcome beginners and new people to 397 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: come in and we're more than willing to teach you 398 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 2: what you need to know. I'd rather people ask the 399 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: question that they feel like is dumb than not ask 400 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: and then do something dumb. So to be able to 401 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: have that open mindedness, to be able to listen to 402 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: those questions and answer honestly, I think is important to 403 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: be able to teach. 404 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 3: And I don't think it's just that new generation. 405 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: It really goes into just new hunters, people that have 406 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: interest in coming into this that don't know. 407 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: Anything about it. 408 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: It's a great point that you bring up. We have 409 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: a mutual friend named Jeff Barnes, and Jeff and I 410 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: met through Georgia SCI which is the local chapter in 411 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: the state of Georgia, and they're just some incredible people. 412 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: Doing incredible work. But we were putting on different events, 413 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: and when we got to talking about different events, one 414 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: of the things that people kept bringing up is, let's 415 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: teach kids how to hunt. Now. I'm all here for 416 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: it because I went to a public school in Virginia 417 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: where they taught us hunter safety. You could sign into 418 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: that class instead of gym class for a year, and 419 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: I did it, and I loved it, Like I learned 420 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: so much about it. I think it's one of the 421 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 1: most impactful classes that I ever had in my school history, 422 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: including college. But what I realized about that was it's 423 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: great to introduce kids to the outdoors, but I think 424 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: it's better to introduce anybody to the outdoors. So we 425 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: did not a kid shooting event. We did a first 426 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: time shooters event. So if you've never shot a gun, 427 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: if you've never gone hunting, you had an opportunity to 428 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: come out and you could learn from people who have 429 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: done it. We had ages from eight all the way 430 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: up to eighty eight. There was a man there who 431 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: is eighty eight years old and he was like, I've 432 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: never done this. I have a bucket list where I 433 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: want to learn how to hunt. I want to get 434 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: a license. I want to take a year, and I 435 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: want to do it before I die. And he was 436 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: able to do it all within three weeks. 437 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: Wow, eight to eighty eight. 438 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: So those are some of the things that I love. 439 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: And it sounds like that's kind of where your mind 440 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: is too, Like it's not just about bringing up kids. 441 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: Kids are great and it's awesome to do that, but 442 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: you really want to open up your doors and say, 443 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: if you have an interest, at least come and listen 444 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: and come and learn and then see if this is 445 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: a fit. 446 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: Definitely, and being a female in the industry doing that, 447 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: you know, I really support the women in the outdoors 448 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: projects that goes again for new hunters, but also they're 449 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: the ones that are usually in charge of that next 450 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: generation and choosing what summer camps they do, or what 451 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: programs they do or vacations that they go on, and 452 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: to be a part of that would be a huge impact. 453 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: Morgan, what an incredible explosion in the hunting industry is 454 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: women who have gotten involved in the outdoors. 455 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: It is. It is amazing how quickly that it's almost 456 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: overnight sensation in the past few years of how much 457 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 2: it has. 458 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: Grown, you've probably had to deal with a little bit 459 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: of people come up to the booth a trade show 460 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: and they go, I'd love to meet your owner who 461 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: runs this place, And all of a sudden they look 462 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: over and they're like, Morgan, do you want to take 463 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: a staff at this? And they they're probably shocked to 464 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: see that there's a woman behind an actual plantation, a 465 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: working hunting outfit. 466 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, and I've had a few encounters. You know, 467 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 2: you're always going to have somebody that has something to say. 468 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: But overall, I've had a great experience with it, and 469 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: I plan on to continue forward with it as long as. 470 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm You must feel like a little bit of a 471 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: pat on the back, though, you know, when you get 472 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: to introduce yourself as the owner or the general manager, 473 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: whatever you say your title is to somebody who may 474 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: not realize that women are in those positions of power, 475 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: it is. 476 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: It is, it sometimes can be. It's it. 477 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 2: You definitely have to kind of prove yourself every now 478 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: and then. You know, somebody asked me not too long ago, 479 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: of you know, have you had any issues with that? 480 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: For the most part, no, But it does make you 481 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: have to work two times as hard because you have 482 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: to show, hey, I do know what I'm talking. 483 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: About on this. So every now and then you run 484 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: into something. 485 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: Well, an issue is something that you can't fix. An 486 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: opportunity is what you're pretty much getting because even though 487 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: you have somebody who might question your ability or question 488 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: the fact that you're running something, you just look at 489 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: it as an opportunity. You strike me as the type 490 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: of person who's like, if you put an obstacle in 491 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: front of me, I'm going to figure out a way 492 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: to get over it. 493 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely take a picture when I'm done. 494 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 1: We've talked about the strengths of fishing or of hunting, 495 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: and we've talked about the fact that it's the people 496 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: that truly make it great. What's a weakness in the 497 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: hunting industry? 498 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: I would definitely say a weakness would be again kind 499 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: of goes back to some of that social media. 500 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 3: I mean, it can be just as good as it 501 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: can be bad. 502 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: A lot of people get the wrong image and a 503 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: bad rap on what that hunting industry is. And some people, 504 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: well there's no individuals in mind, but there's some people 505 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 2: that are to blame of thinking of it suggest for 506 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: that trophy harvest and that's what they're taking those pictures 507 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: of and showing they're not getting to hear the backstory 508 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: of what all goes into that, where that meat's going 509 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: after that, of everything it took to get to have 510 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 2: that trophy size animal. There's a lot more that goes 511 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: into it. It's not just about the harvest. 512 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: I love that you bring that up because I run 513 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: a consulting firm for outfitters, professional hunters, professional fishermen, organizations 514 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: businesses that are all in the hunting and fishing out industry, 515 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: and one of the things that I teach them the 516 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: most is you need to know what content you're putting 517 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: out there. And I think one of the biggest weaknesses 518 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: that we have that you have, coupled with what you 519 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: said about social media, is how can we effectively show 520 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: what the hunting industry is through social media to where 521 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: people don't just see somebody sitting behind the rack, thinking 522 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: what else is going to happen with that animal? Why 523 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: would you do such a thing? 524 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: Yes, to understand a little bit more of the reason 525 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: why that you're. 526 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: Going to do that. 527 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: That's why I think some things like are guys over 528 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: at Meat Eater, I think they did a great job 529 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: when they came out with their show on Netflix, because 530 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: that was the first time that you saw a hunting 531 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: show breakthrough on a streaming platform and break through with 532 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: big numbers. But not only was he showing the hunt, 533 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: but he was showing the people behind the hunt. He 534 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: was showing the hunt itself. He was talking about the animals, 535 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: the impression that they leave upon the landscape, the predation 536 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: that exists that shouldn't naturally be there. I mean, you 537 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: and I could spend hours talking about coyotes and feral 538 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: hogs and all these things that probably run rampant in 539 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: the low country. 540 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: Definitely knock on wood. We're high enough ground that we 541 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: do not have any cogs on property. But I mean, 542 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: you can go twenty miles down the road and find 543 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: a state so keeping that hopefully that they stay away 544 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: from it. 545 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: But you hear about this, You hear about this from 546 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: for other property owners that are like, when hogs get 547 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: in here, they absolutely destroy everything. And it's not just oh, 548 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: they ripped up some of my grass. They literally took 549 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: out about six to nine months of work for you 550 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: to get that product to where it was. 551 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: Definitely, and it's not that they're just affecting the animal 552 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: that you're going to try and hunt for. I mean, 553 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: you're talking about all kinds of species down to even 554 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 2: like your pollinators and things. If they're tearing up those grasses, 555 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: tearing up those plots, that's affecting the whole ecosystem, not 556 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 2: just what you're trying to go for a trophy harvest. 557 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: And I love that you bring that up because that's 558 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: another thing that we should be doing in the hunting world, 559 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: which is talking about the conservation of not just deer, turkey, 560 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: ducks in or wild populations that we have, but some 561 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: of the things that make the ecosystem so healthy. 562 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 3: You know. 563 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: I hear people try to argue against hunting coyotes, and 564 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, they're not going for the eight year old buck, 565 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: They're not going for the five year old mature dough. 566 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: They're going for the fawn that can't protect itself. It's 567 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: an easy meal and they waste a lot of that animal. 568 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: And if we cut off the younger animals, we're not 569 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: going to have those older animals for those future generations 570 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: to not just hunt but bear witness to. 571 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 572 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the deer is a major thing for that. 573 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: I mean, you hear about all the car wrecks. You 574 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: see them on the side of the road. I mean, 575 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: there's a lot of population things in studies and statistics 576 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: that go into all this. It's not just because I 577 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: think so. There's science behind it. 578 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a research study that was done a 579 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and I think the wild deer 580 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: population of white tailed deer in North America eclipse thirty 581 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: five million. Where really in nineteen oh four, right after 582 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: hunting was eliminated as a business practice and taking on 583 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: more of quotas managed and what we know as hunting 584 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: now with the Western model, we were down to three 585 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: million I think. I mean it was a crazy low number. 586 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: It may have been even lower than that, but that 587 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: goes to show that the Western model of conservation and 588 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: hunting really does protect more of these species than people 589 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: have ever seen. 590 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: It definitely does. 591 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: And I mean, I think two of the biggest industries 592 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: as far as hunting goes, you're talking about deer and duck. 593 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 2: I think are your two largest nities as far as 594 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 2: number wise, And that's two populations that are still tremendously strong. 595 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: We had a guy in Alabama who reached out to 596 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: Safari Club International. They use sci a lot. So if 597 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: you know them for that, that's who they are. But 598 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: they are one of the only nonprofits, actually the only 599 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: nonprofit in the hunting world that has full time attorneys 600 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: that work for them in legal counsel. And he was 601 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: a guy that owned This is kind of reminiscent of 602 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: your story, but you have a plot of land that 603 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: is in your family. Well, he had a duck club 604 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: that was in his family for years, and it just 605 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: so happened that the property owner next door gifted part 606 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: of his property to the county to build a new 607 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: high school. So they were going to build in a 608 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: high school. Well where were they going to put it? 609 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: Right on the edge of this guy's duck club property. 610 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: So what ended up coming into play was the state saying, hey, 611 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: you can't have a duck club anymore, because now you'll 612 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: have guns within five hundred yards of a school and 613 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: that's banned. This guy had no idea what to do. 614 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: He's like, what am I going to do with this property? 615 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: So they reached out to all these different organizations who said, 616 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: can't do anything for you, don't we don't want to 617 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: get involved, blah blah blah. He reached out to sci 618 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: drafted a letter said you were going to disturb some 619 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: Indian burial grounds. You were going to disturb local populations 620 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: of bugs and birds and all these different species that 621 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: they're trying to protect that are native, And they ended 622 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: up shutting down the project on the school. This guy 623 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: gets to maintain his duck club. So it's great that 624 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: there are organizations that want to protect landowners like yourself, 625 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: just in case somebody decides to make a change that 626 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: could impact you. 627 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 2: Definitely, because it's not always just about the hunt. It's 628 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: really not for many aspects of it. But when you're 629 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: coming to talking about, you know, the influx of growth. 630 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 2: I mean even in our area, we've seen a big 631 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: push in like that coyote population, for where some of 632 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: these subdivisions are coming in south of US, towards the coast, 633 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: and they're pushing some of this population out and up, 634 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: and we've seen a big difference in it, and a 635 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 2: lot of surrounding areas have too. But it's important to 636 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: realize what you're disturbing there. 637 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: And when you're talking about populations, you managed so many 638 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: different ones. You have a deer population, I'm sure you 639 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: have turkey in the low country, but you also have 640 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: a pretty heavy upland game. Are you guys running grouse 641 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: at all? Do you run quail or is it primarily pheasant? 642 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: So we are mostly quail, So we have Bob White 643 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 2: quail here. So something for South Carolina is it used 644 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: to be very large in its wild quail population and 645 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: then it really depleted over many years. And there's one 646 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: hundred different reasons of why that may be. But we've 647 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: on our property kind of developed some structure points to 648 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: where we've been able to grow some of that wild 649 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: population back, and a lot of other neighboring properties that 650 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: we've helped to influx that too, to where we're now 651 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: trying to get involved with some other organizations, say like 652 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: Quail Forever, to be able to bring some of their 653 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: people in and give us more information data on what's 654 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: best for us and all of our neighbors to do. 655 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: Since we're already seeing with what we've done that wild 656 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: population come back, I'm really excited to see where we 657 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: plan on going with it from here. 658 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: Are you guys tied in with the federal government and 659 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: the state governments of boosting the CRP that you have 660 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: and the different grasses that you have to keep those 661 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: populations growing. 662 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: So we have some biologists and things that we work 663 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 2: with to try and work on that. 664 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: So I've always been kind of enamored with the Babwei 665 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: quail population because, just like you were saying, a lot 666 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: of those used to be native to areas, but for 667 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: whatever reason, they have really depleted and diminished. But you're 668 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: starting to see a resurgence of that. Have you guys 669 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: been involved, you yourself personally with the reintroduction of these 670 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: quail back onto the grounds. 671 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: So we use a couple of different efforts, but a 672 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: lot of that is just providing the right type of 673 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: grounds for them to be able to do. You prescribe burns, 674 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: have food plots, have right escape cover. I mean, this 675 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 2: goes into the hunting side of it. But we're seeing 676 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 2: a huge impact on those birds that are able to 677 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: survive and to repopulate. I mean, we've had from our account, 678 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: we've had over twenty clutches and a clutch is you know, 679 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 2: a hatch of baby quail. But we've had over twenty 680 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 2: clutches that we've been able to just see personally just 681 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 2: for walking through the woods and during the summer, you're 682 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: not doing that every day. But they have even like 683 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 2: a recall whistle that they do, and whenever they do 684 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: this whistle, that means that they're still looking for a mate. 685 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: And we're talking of early July where we still had 686 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: a lot of these birds that were whistling and calling 687 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 2: back to each other, showing that they're still looking to 688 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: reproduce and a female so long as their nest is intact. Again, 689 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 2: it goes back to that structure, pork and what you 690 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 2: have for them to live in, they will I think 691 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 2: it's three times in a year that they'll have these 692 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: clutches and so it's an incredible amount that they can reproduce. 693 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 2: But it's something that's been damaged in the past and 694 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: we're very happy to see some growth back in it. 695 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: So you're seeing strong numbers coming out of your reintroduction 696 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: of not just the birds that you guys bring in, 697 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: but now they're starting to continue on their legacies. Yes, absolutely, 698 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: that's incredible. 699 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 3: And there's some of the wild population too. It's not 700 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 3: just what we're putting out, it's wild birds that were 701 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 3: originally here from who knows when. 702 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: But those two have to mix. I mean, you know, 703 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: if you're if you're farming birds and taking birds and 704 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: placing birds, which you guys are part of that program. 705 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: Ultimately some of those birds become native, become wild because 706 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: they were supposed to be there anyway. 707 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 2: I would definitely think so, you know, there's a lot 708 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 2: of research that's gone into it, and I really think 709 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: it goes back to different areas kind of depending on 710 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 2: where you are in the country. I think it really 711 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: changes of what that narrative is, of what the results 712 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 2: are of that repopulation for place birds. 713 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: We've talked about the strengths, the weaknesses, and some of 714 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: the opportunities that hunting has. What are the threats. 715 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 2: I don't think people think about what politics actually go 716 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: into this. 717 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 3: I know we touched a little bit on this earlier. 718 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 2: Of the lack of information that some of our legislature has. 719 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: I think it can hurt and a lot of people 720 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: need to realize of what really goes on in that 721 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 2: of how important it's the education of the hunting industry 722 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 2: is of showing the goods, showing the positive. You know, 723 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 2: that homestead life style has kind of come back to 724 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 2: show of what it's like to live off the land 725 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 2: and be able to promote that. And there are some 726 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 2: amazing organizations that support this. The Congressional Sportsman is one 727 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 2: of those. You know, they're a cock kind of based 728 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 2: for our legislature to be a part of and support. 729 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: But somebody that's close to here that lives nearby is 730 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 2: Chris Dorsey. So he's also a board member of that 731 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: Congressional Sportsman and part of a TV series that he produces. 732 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 2: But he does a great job at writing some articles 733 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 2: and putting on his show of kind of what's important 734 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 2: behind that and to be a part to be involved 735 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: in the politics isn't something that people usually want to do, 736 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 2: but it's an important. 737 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 3: Thing to do. 738 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: People don't realize that the hunting issue is actually a 739 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: really bipartisan issue too, because I know most people categorize 740 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: it saying all hunting is only something Republicans like to do. 741 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: When you go to different parts of the country, you 742 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: know this being in West Virginia, you go to Kentucky, 743 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: and Kentucky is pretty much run by blue and Democratic 744 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: governors and Democratic people that are involved heavily in the 745 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: labor side of you know, farming and agriculture and all 746 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: those things, but they take a heavier stance on being 747 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: pro hunting than some of their counterparts do in different 748 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 1: parts of the country. 749 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 3: Isn't that funny how that works. 750 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: It's true. 751 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 2: We've experienced it some here too, of people that have 752 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 2: moved from up north down to the south to have 753 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 2: that warmer lifestyle. But they're still part of the hunting 754 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 2: industry and our major supporters of it. 755 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: And we've got those people who want to leave, you know, 756 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: their busy lifestyles to go live the Yellowstone lifestyle, and 757 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: then they realize what actually goes into that. It's not 758 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: just putting on a hat and a Carhart jacket. It 759 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: takes a little more work and know how. But if 760 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: you allow yourself to be educated in what those lifestyles are, 761 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: you gain a much greater perspective on the world that 762 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: surrounds you. 763 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 3: That's right, everybody wants to be a cowboy to it's 764 00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 3: count of cowboy. 765 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: Well, thank you to Morgan Hilton for jumping on today. 766 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: If you guys want to book a trip to Almost 767 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: Heaven Plantation, it's easy. You can go to Almost Heavenplantation 768 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: dot com. 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