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Speaker 4: Com well our own. Ryan Grimm recently returned from Havana, Cuba,

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Speaker 4: where he was on a reporting trip as part of

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Speaker 4: a delegation, a humanitarian delegation that went to deliver supplies

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Speaker 4: to the people of Cuba and protest of the blockade

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Speaker 4: and escalating US efforts to squeeze the Cuban economy and

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Speaker 4: the Cuban people into some type of deal. We'll see

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Speaker 4: exactly what happens. Ryan's going to give us some updates

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Speaker 4: on what could come. But boy, is Ryan Grimm getting

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Speaker 4: a lot of criticism. The whole delegation is getting a

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Speaker 4: lot of criticism, and we have an incredible clip of

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Speaker 4: Ryan from Newsmax that we're going to talk about in

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Speaker 4: a bit. Let's just go through some of what's been

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Speaker 4: leveled at you, at Hassan Piker, who you were on

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Speaker 4: the trip with as well. You could tell us a

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Speaker 4: little bit about who organized all of this, but basically

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Speaker 4: the Free Press we could but see four up among others,

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Speaker 4: they wrote that you and Hassan were Cuba's useless idiot.

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Speaker 5: I love the subhead here.

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Speaker 4: Yes, viral content creators like Hassan Piker and Ryan Grimm

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Speaker 4: were invited for a weekend in a blacked out Cuba

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Speaker 4: so they could preach the glories of a La revolution,

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Speaker 4: which Hassan did. I don't know that you did that, Ryan.

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Speaker 6: Now would that be to go to Cuba and a

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Speaker 6: white guy preach to them about the glories of the revolution.

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Speaker 6: Also viral content creator for for what I know are.

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Speaker 5: Explicitly political reasons.

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Speaker 6: TikTok actually refuses to verify my count So, TikTok, if

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Speaker 6: you're listening, according to the Free Press, I am a

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Speaker 6: viral content career. Listen up, bitches, they refuse to verify me,

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Speaker 6: and as a result, all of these fake accounts keep

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Speaker 6: popping up impersonating me and like stealing stuff and dming people.

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't just the free press. Here's the New

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Speaker 4: York Times going after Hassan Piker. Actually, I thought this

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Speaker 4: was a pretty So the headline here is Hassan Piker,

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Speaker 4: a celebrity left wing streamer, defends Cuba Aid mission. I

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Speaker 4: thought they gave Hassan a lot of oxygen here to

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Speaker 4: defend what happened over the weekend and a more serious criticism,

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Speaker 4: I would say from a Cuban. Actually, this is a

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Speaker 4: quote from a Cuban politician who who said, they say

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Speaker 4: they've come to support the Cuban people, but they meet

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Speaker 4: with the man who gave the combat order to repress

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Speaker 4: those who took to the streets on hashtag eleven j

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Speaker 4: eleven j which was the July eleventh protest demanding freedom.

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Speaker 5: So, Ryan Grimm, it might be my photo. Actually did

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Speaker 5: you take that? I might have? All right, we didn't

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Speaker 5: meet with him. He gave a speech, tell.

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Speaker 4: Us what break us all down? What did you do?

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Speaker 4: Who organized it? And what is your response to your critics?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? And So there are a couple There are a

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Speaker 5: couple of key criticism.

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Speaker 6: First of all, it's it makes me embarrassing to be

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Speaker 6: part of this media ecosystem because it's so divorced from reality.

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Speaker 6: Like we went there, we we we saw the starvation

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Speaker 6: of the economy and of the Cuban people, which is

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Speaker 6: being done deliberately to try to allow the US to

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Speaker 6: overthrow the regime. Like that's like we have been very

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Speaker 6: explicit that we are blocking fuel from getting in, designating

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Speaker 6: them as terrorists and supporters of terrorism, not allowing them

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Speaker 6: to you know, use credit cards, et cetera. Everything we

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Speaker 6: can to make it as misserble possible so that we

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Speaker 6: accomplish our foreign policy objective of overthrowing the government.

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Speaker 4: And you think that's not an American strategy. Henry Kissinger

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Speaker 4: said it himself that we were going to.

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Speaker 5: This was Rubio said it himself a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 4: Right, But what was We're going to Jacob's scream? Maybe

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Speaker 4: economy scream. This has been a cold war policy for decades.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, instead we're talking about this other silly stuff. But

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Speaker 6: for people who are curious, So that the two So

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Speaker 6: the criticism is that, well, I guess there's two related

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Speaker 6: criticisms that that the delegation stayed in a five star

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Speaker 5: So two points on that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is bad if hotels keep power and hospitals

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Speaker 6: lose power. I agree with that. Two things. Why did

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Speaker 6: the delegations stay at this quote unquote five star hotel?

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Speaker 5: First of all five stars? Quite relative?

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Speaker 6: It is, it's it's so much nicer than the conditions

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Speaker 6: of that the Cuban people are suffering, under no question

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Speaker 6: about that. Also, nobody in the Bravo Leberty universe would

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Speaker 5: And call it a five star hotel. That is absolutely

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Speaker 5: the case.

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Speaker 6: But there is a US law on the books that

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Speaker 6: says if an American visits Cuba, there is a long

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Speaker 6: list of places they cannot stay anything connected directly or indirectly.

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Speaker 6: Really for the most part, with the government, you can

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Speaker 6: about it, and they'll specifically list a bunch of hotels

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Speaker 6: you cannot stay in on top of that, and so

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Speaker 6: that leaves a very small number of hotels that you

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Speaker 6: can stay in. And this was among them as a

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Speaker 6: Spanish operated hotel among them. Now there's like five or

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Speaker 6: six hundred people in the delegation. If you go just

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Speaker 6: by yourself, you can try to find what a costa

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Speaker 6: particular are like. Not an Airbnb obviously, because that companies

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Speaker 6: aren't allow a version of it. Now, you can't book

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Speaker 6: it online, you can't book it with a credit card.

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Speaker 5: The telephone and internet service is very spotty.

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Speaker 6: So good luck in twenty four to forty eight hours,

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Speaker 6: you know, finding five or six hundred of these for

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Speaker 5: It's not serious. The only the only thing you can

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Speaker 5: do is stay in a hotel. Also, the Cubans.

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Speaker 6: Want you to stay in these hotels to bring cash

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Speaker 6: into the economy. Now, so there like you don't you

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Speaker 6: don't like that. That's where we stayed. Change the law

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Speaker 6: so that we can stay in any hotel that we want,

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Speaker 6: and we'll stay in a cheaper hotel. Although if you

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Speaker 6: have the money as an American, it's actually better that

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Speaker 6: pumping more money into the economy. Their second complaint is

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Speaker 6: about the fact that hotels have generators that stay on.

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Speaker 5: Now the hospitals also.

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Speaker 6: Have generators and the generator and we can we can

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Speaker 6: get into that they are the hospitals aren't deeply, deeply struggling.

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Speaker 6: In February, the Trump administration introduced a new policy that

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Speaker 6: said it is okay for private businesses on the island

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Speaker 6: of Cuba to import oil, while it is not okay

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Speaker 6: for any anybody affiliated with the government. Famously, the hospitals

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Speaker 6: are publicly run in Cuba, if you weren't familiar with that,

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Speaker 6: And so it is okay according to the US government.

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Speaker 6: And that's not just from the US, that's from Mexico,

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Speaker 6: that's from Russia, China. We're trying to block oil from

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Speaker 6: getting in to the hospitals from any country, not just US.

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Speaker 6: But if you want to send it to a private business,

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Speaker 6: that is okay with US.

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Speaker 5: C ten.

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Speaker 6: Reuter's just reported and I've been saying this, I've been

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Speaker 6: telling you this again.

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Speaker 5: You guys never believe me. I'm telling you the truth.

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Speaker 6: So Reuter's reported this morning, actually exclusive US ramps up

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Speaker 6: fuel exports to Cuba's private sector.

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Speaker 5: This is c ten. So if you read the article,

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Speaker 5: there is you.

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Speaker 6: Know, many thousands of barrels, not enough, but many thousands

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Speaker 6: of barrels and diesel in particular, which is what they

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Speaker 6: use for the generators that the US is allowing to

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Speaker 6: be sold to private businesses. So I want people to

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Speaker 6: sit with us for a second. The critique that The

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Speaker 6: New York Times elevated that the Free Press pushed that

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Speaker 6: a lot of these like right wing Cuban defenders were

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Speaker 6: pushing around a Cuba policy defenders were pushing was that

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Speaker 6: it is bad that the hospital had I mean that

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Speaker 6: the hospital did not have power. Hospitals did not have

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Speaker 6: power and the hotel did. Okay, So that's the premise

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Speaker 6: that the Free Press is operating under.

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Speaker 5: I agree.

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Speaker 6: I am now making the Free Press aware because they

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Speaker 6: apparently didn't read our reporting in February, and now Reuter's

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Speaker 6: is confirming what I'm reporting. Our American policy is that

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Speaker 6: it's okay for the hotel to buy oil and diesel,

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Speaker 6: but it's not okay for the hospital to buy diesel.

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Speaker 5: So if you.

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Speaker 6: Spent the last three or four days yelling at me

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Speaker 6: energy and the hospitals didn't, now that you know the truth,

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Speaker 6: you have to be furious at the Trump administration is

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Speaker 6: the Trump administration's explicit policy is that hotels can buy

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Speaker 6: diesel but hospitals cannot. Now, what they're really going to

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Speaker 6: do is just ignore it and keep it moving, because

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Speaker 6: that is an it is a morally indefensible policy. It

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Speaker 5: No, actually, I think it's good.

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Speaker 6: It's good that the hotels get diesel but the hospitals can't.

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Speaker 4: It may have that may have had a lot more

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Speaker 5: Right, Cube is going to have the Soviet bombs.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, so c seven. Let's put see seven up

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Speaker 4: on the screen if you want a little flashback. That's very,

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Speaker 4: very current. This is a report in the New York Times.

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Speaker 6: Look at this headline. By the way, let's just let's

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Speaker 6: just let this marinate in Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, it's incredible. Russian oil shipment puts focus on Kremlin's

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Speaker 5: The New York Times headline.

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Speaker 4: Then the lead is a Russian oil.

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Speaker 6: Let's just like sit with this headline for a segments.

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Speaker 6: It's such a window into our world.

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Speaker 4: It's incredible stuff.

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Speaker 5: Russian oil shipment. So there's there's a Russian oil shipment.

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Speaker 6: threatening it that apparently there are there's a naval escort

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Speaker 6: that Russia is sending with it. So according to the

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Speaker 6: New York Times, what the Russian oil shipment puts in

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Speaker 6: an act of war and a crime against humanity, is

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Speaker 6: blocking the island from getting fuel. That's not what the

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Speaker 6: Russian shipment puts the focus on. It puts the focus

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Speaker 6: on a defunct spy base. Well so, well, I thought

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Speaker 6: were first paragram.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, the lead here is a Russian oil taker

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Speaker 4: possibly bound for Cuba, is highlighting a key US security concern,

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Speaker 4: the Communist islens ties to foreign adversaries who use Cuba

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Speaker 4: to spy on the United States. That lead is just

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Speaker 4: straight out of like nineteen sixty two incredible, And what's

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Speaker 4: to the point we were just getting about whether it's

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Speaker 4: But you felt comfortable asking what you wanted to ask.

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Speaker 6: an American citizen because he was born in Chicago in

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Speaker 6: the fifties, but he's been in Cuba since the early

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Speaker 6: early nineteen six early nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 5: So this is a couple of minutes with Valdez Soosa.

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Speaker 6: You were telling me earlier before we started talking about

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Speaker 6: it an MRI machine. Yeah, so how is that working

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Speaker 6: in coordination with the lack of electricity?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and how did you Yeah what we're thinking.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, First, MRI systems are very expensive, but they're they're

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Speaker 7: really very useful. So we had an industing opportunity. There

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Speaker 7: was this bank that gave us a soft credit line,

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Speaker 7: you know, with something we can pay over the years,

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Speaker 7: with a long period of payment and very low interest,

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Speaker 7: and so we took advantage of that in our organization.

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Speaker 7: We bought equipment for different centers and we bought an

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Speaker 7: MRI system from Germany that had to wait about seven

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Speaker 7: months after they manufacture it, so they received certification that

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Speaker 7: it didn't have ten more than ten percent of American components.

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Speaker 7: But we managed to get the system to cube. But

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Speaker 7: the problem is that MRI systems, which are really necessary.

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Speaker 7: Imagine kid with metodal bastoma. There is a kind of

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Speaker 7: cancer spinal card surgeon has to know to what if

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Speaker 7: it's present, the size has metastasis. This is all part

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Speaker 7: of the life or death for the kid and so

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Speaker 7: many other disorders. So the other thing we needed is

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Speaker 7: to fill up up with helium, which is used to

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Speaker 7: liquid helium to cool because MRI systems work at very

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Speaker 7: low temperatures. The magnets are called superconductors, which means they're

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Speaker 7: cooled and when they're very very low temperatures, there's practically

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Speaker 7: no resistance, no friction for the electrosts in circulating. That

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Speaker 7: creates a very strong magnet. And the problem is we've

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Speaker 7: bought the helium and ships are afraid to come to cube.

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Speaker 7: This is after President Trump said that he would block oil.

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Speaker 7: And we're trying to get one of these ships that's

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Speaker 7: bringing donations, humanitarian donations the Cuban to bring it because

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Speaker 7: most of the our MR systems in Cuba aworld, it's

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Speaker 7: very difficult getting spare parts. And we know that our system,

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Speaker 7: once we set it up, which is brand new, will

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Speaker 7: probably be doing a lot of heavy lifting for all

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Speaker 7: the hospitals around the state. The Children's Hospital in Marianao,

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Speaker 7: the UH the Big Hospital for Blindness and other disorders

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Speaker 7: of vision, Bando Red which is also in Marianna, and

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Speaker 7: and polyclinics and and we had a previous system. And

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Speaker 7: the story is very funny because we sent the donation

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Speaker 7: from the University of Mastrich why they got money to

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Speaker 7: buy these news scanners. And in the international conference, my

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Speaker 7: twin brother who's also an euroscientist, was give me some

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Speaker 7: talks at the conference and he talked with this professor

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Speaker 7: from Bastard's University saying, we don't know what we gonna

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Speaker 7: do the old system, give it to us, And we

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Speaker 7: got some money from a charity and we brought this

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Speaker 7: This system was very old, but we kept it working

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Speaker 7: almost eight years. We saw thousands of patients. So but

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Speaker 7: it was impossible because once a system is too old,

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Speaker 7: it breaks down. You have to put helium, which cost

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Speaker 7: a lot in every few months. And we got this opportunity.

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Speaker 7: We bought the new system. So we're bringing to the

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Speaker 7: heat of the Cuba. We're finding how we don't know

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Speaker 7: how humanitarian convoy let's see. But then the problem is

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Speaker 7: you can't have an memory scanner without electricity. So now

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Speaker 7: we're launching, you know, a campaign to receive donations, similar

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Speaker 7: to what we did with a VENTI leaders in COVID.

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Speaker 7: And we're gonna have some friends are trying to collect money,

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Speaker 7: and we might to buy a general and we want

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Speaker 7: to buy Oiltich.

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Nick Turse over at the Intercept is reporting that

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Speaker 4: the Pentagon has revealed the attacks in Latin America are

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Speaker 4: just beginning, with quote Operation Total Extermination and Trump's threats

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Speaker 4: against Cuba. Expect more at US military strikes in the region.

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Speaker 4: Terse reports. You go read that full report over at

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Speaker 4: the Intercept. Now, Operation Total Extermination looks technically like it's

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Speaker 4: referring to the Noboa operation in Ecuador, but if you

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Speaker 4: look at the testimony in the House Armed Services document

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Speaker 4: that Terse links to it says the joint effort named

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Speaker 4: quote Operation Total Extermination, referring to what happened in Ecuador

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Speaker 4: is the start of a military offensive buy Ecuador against

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Speaker 4: transnational criminal organizations with the support of the US, setting

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Speaker 4: the pace for regional deterrence focused operations against cartel infrastructure

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Speaker 4: throughout Latin America and the Caribbeans. So whether or not

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Speaker 4: they're going to apply quote Operation Total Extermination just to

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Speaker 4: cartels an Ecuador, or it'll be more broadly interpreted, as

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Speaker 4: you know, even including Cuba as part of Latin America,

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Speaker 4: we will see, but certainly escalating by the day.

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Speaker 6: And did you see the New York Times report, by

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Speaker 6: the way, this one here, Yes, I did so. The

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Speaker 6: New York Times sent reporters out, good for them, give

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Speaker 6: them their flowers when they deserve it, to the site

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Speaker 6: of a US bombing an Ecuador that they had said

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Speaker 6: was a drug cartel training camp or something. Turns out

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Speaker 6: it was a dairy farm.

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Speaker 4: Total extermination.

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Speaker 6: Yes, And so remember this when they're telling you that

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Speaker 6: their intelligence on boats is rock solid, they if they

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Speaker 6: can't nail their down their intelligence on an immobile dairy farm, Like,

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Speaker 6: why are we so sure that they're exactly right about

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Speaker 6: all of these boats that are moving around separately Niboa.

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Speaker 6: Just google Daniel Naboa, drug trafficker, his family. He's the

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Speaker 6: sign of this banana export business. Their boats are constantly

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Speaker 6: getting found to be stashed with cocaine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is.

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Speaker 6: The president of Ecuador who we are allegedly teaming up

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Speaker 6: with to do a drug eradication campaign.

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Speaker 4: I'm starting, I'm starting a team. It's going to be

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Speaker 4: won Orlando or Nandez Danboa and drug war. Yes, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: you went on Newsmax just last night on Rob Schmid's show,

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Speaker 4: and he asked you basically to defend this trip we've

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Speaker 4: been discussing. So one w Rojas pointed out he posted

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Speaker 4: a really I thought that he put it really well.

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Speaker 4: He reports for Compact and other news outlets from all

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Speaker 4: over Latin America. You probably remember him having been on

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Speaker 4: the show several times. He says earth to anti imperialist

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Speaker 4: fundamentalists the most honest and effective way of advocating for

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Speaker 4: the Cuban people. Ryan doesn't talk about quote participating participatory

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Speaker 4: democracy or the regime's righteousness. He talks about the real

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Speaker 4: world consequences and double standards of our despicable policies better. Yet,

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Speaker 4: he asks how any of this benefits Americans. This method

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Speaker 4: is so effective, The interviewer concedes multiple times. One de

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Speaker 4: vid adds the difference between Ryan and Piker or but

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Speaker 4: Norton is his first, second, and third priorities are normy Cubans,

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Speaker 4: not the PCC oligarchy staying in power.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: I do feel as though you, maybe it's your reporter background,

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Speaker 4: are very careful in how you cover Cuba, and I

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Speaker 4: thought that came out in this conversation with Rob Schmidt.

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Speaker 4: Where nowhere do you ever or did you, in your

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Speaker 4: reporting from Cuba defend the regime, which is a very

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Speaker 4: easy thing not to do.

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Speaker 6: And I will defend the quote unquote regime in the

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Speaker 6: sense of when I think they're being unfairly criticized.

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Speaker 4: The media is getting a story wrong.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, exactly.

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Speaker 4: But if you consider that like a defense of imprisoning

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Speaker 4: one thousand political prisoners.

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Speaker 5: That's not the same, right.

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Speaker 6: And also it's important to just understand the reality of

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Speaker 6: who is actually causing the suffering. It is the sanctions,

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Speaker 6: it's the embargo, blockade, the state sponsor of terroritismation.

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Speaker 5: We didn't in this interview. We didn't get into kind.

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Speaker 6: Of the details of it, but as you saw from

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Speaker 6: the last segment, like Cuba is blocked from purchasing MRI

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Speaker 6: machines for the most part, or getting helium to keep

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Speaker 6: their MRI machines running. They can't buy anything that has

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Speaker 6: a minimum of ten percent of US parts in it,

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Speaker 6: even when they end up buying. They bought a three

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Speaker 6: D printer to try to get around this so that

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Speaker 6: they could produce medical supplies, these unique medical supplies that

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Speaker 6: people needed.

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Speaker 5: It broke down.

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Speaker 6: The German company said they can't send a ten out

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Speaker 6: because of the US.

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Speaker 5: Sanctions, and they said, actually, that's not true.

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Speaker 6: Like there's an EU law that says in Mitchell Valdeesoso

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Speaker 6: relay the story to me.

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Speaker 5: He was on the phone with the Vice president.

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Speaker 6: He said, there's an EU law that says you're not

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Speaker 6: allowed to follow US sanctions because it's EU sovereignty. Means

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Speaker 6: that you have to make your own decisions. You cannot

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Speaker 6: be driven by US sanctions. And the guy told him, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I know that law is on the books. We do

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Speaker 6: a lot of business with the United States. We don't

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Speaker 6: do much business with QBA. Sorry that you bought a

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Speaker 6: million dollar three D printer from US. We're not gonna

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Speaker 6: be able to fix it, and so it's just sitting

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Speaker 6: there collecting dust. So we didn't get into a lot

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Speaker 6: of those details about the way that the sanctions and

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Speaker 6: the embargo play a play a primary driver of the

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Speaker 6: miseration of the island. But the point I did make

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Speaker 6: to him is if you think that's not true and

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Speaker 6: the system is so flawed and unable to succeed, let

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Speaker 6: it it.

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Speaker 4: Try and make in roads with them so they don't turn.

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Speaker 5: To Russia in China and there you go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a yeah, we don't have to keep

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Speaker 4: doing it.

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Speaker 6: Also, yeah, I haven't seen Schmidt calling for regime change

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Speaker 6: in Saudi Arabia over like the human rights abuses and

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Speaker 6: the lack of democracy in Saturday Saudi Arabia make Cuba

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Speaker 6: look like Switzerland.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is a great back and forth. I think

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Speaker 4: it draws out some important contrasts. So without further ado,

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Speaker 4: we go fine.

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Speaker 8: On newsbas Drop side news reporter Ryan Grim also traveled

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Speaker 8: to Cuba as well, reporting on all this. He's seen

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Speaker 8: in this photo here and Ryan joins us tonight and

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Speaker 8: it's good to have you back on the show. The

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Speaker 8: trudministration is trying to end a seventy year regime. It

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Speaker 8: looks like these guys along with you there are trying

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Speaker 8: to help it survive.

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Speaker 1: Am I missing something?

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Speaker 5: Wait?

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Speaker 8: They're trying to do what trying to help this regime survive?

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Speaker 8: Who is piker most of the people there. I'm wondering

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Speaker 8: if yourself along with them or are included in that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the group that went along brought about fifty times

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Speaker 6: worth of medical supplies and solar panels.

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Speaker 8: That's right, medical supplies and solar panels, and and a

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Speaker 8: lot of sympathies for the regime that controls the country,

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Speaker 8: I imagine.

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Speaker 6: So let me let me try to help out your

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Speaker 6: your viewers a little bit here. How how do you

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Speaker 6: feel about the fact that when Americans travel to a

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Speaker 6: foreign country, in this case Cuba, they are told specifically

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Speaker 6: a list of hotels that they are allowed to stay

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Speaker 6: in in another country.

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Speaker 8: I went through it because when I went and stayed there,

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Speaker 8: it was the same I stayed in an Airbnb.

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Speaker 1: I think, if you haven't won our countries.

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Speaker 5: Trying to sque what do you think of that?

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Speaker 8: I think our country is trying to end a regime

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Speaker 8: that's been torturing people for very long time, and they

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Speaker 8: don't want to fund it. Well, they don't want us

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Speaker 8: funding it by paying money to a communist owned entity

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Speaker 8: like a hotel.

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Speaker 6: So if this, if their system of government is so awful,

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Speaker 6: why not just let it fail on its own?

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Speaker 5: Why do we have to block head them? How? Because

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Speaker 5: they won't leave, They don't have a lot, they won't leave.

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Speaker 6: How do you think the United States economy would do

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Speaker 6: if we cut off fuel for three straight months? No

660
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Speaker 6: fuel has basically gotten into Cuba since the Venezuela operation.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but I was there, and I was there in

662
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Speaker 8: twenty nineteen, Ryan, and it was still a horribly impoverished

663
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Speaker 8: country before.

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Speaker 5: We're cutting off fuel to try and.

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Speaker 8: Get this leadership out, get them the hell out of there,

666
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 8: because they won't leave, They won't have an election, they

667
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 8: won't leave.

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00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 6: Why do you why do you want to? Why do

669
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 6: you why do you care about? Like who's who's in

670
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 6: charge in Cuba?

671
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: Who?

672
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: Like who elected you to do that? It's such a

673
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 5: bizarre like there.

674
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 6: Aren't enough problems in the United States here for you

675
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 6: to work out.

676
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: That's that's another side.

677
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 6: Really, Like I can't even get my mind to a

678
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 6: place where I would think it's my call, like who

679
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 6: runs Cuba, who runs Haiti, who runs Mexico?

680
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 5: Who runs a rack, who runs a rent?

681
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 8: Like that's a fair Israel, that's a fair criticism. That's

682
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 8: a fair criticism. But I mean, do you but do

683
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 8: you think it's better for you? Do you want this

684
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 8: regime to continue to run this country against the wishes

685
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 8: of the people.

686
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 6: It's not all in povers, It's not up to me.

687
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 6: I live in Washington, d C. I vote in Washington

688
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 6: DC elections, and I vote in federal elections. Where do

689
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 6: you Where do you live?

690
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: You live in Yeah, that's where Where do you live?

691
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: I live in New York?

692
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 6: And it's not why should you vote? Why should you like?

693
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 6: What do you have to do with Cuba?

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00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 8: Well, it's I think the prosperity of that country that's

695
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 8: only ninety miles away from our border can't be a

696
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 8: bad thing.

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00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: And I'm just saying that.

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Speaker 8: I want I'm asking you why not the import oil?

699
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 8: It's it's fine, it's not it's not America first, let's

700
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 8: put it there.

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00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: But do you think that to be running the country?

702
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 6: Why does it bother you? If Mexico sells oil to Cuba.

703
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 5: You live in New York.

704
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 6: On in what world is that a New Yorker's responsibility

705
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 6: to stop Mexico from second oil to Cuba.

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00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: That's okay, fair criticism right there.

707
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Speaker 8: My My other question what to do is why do

708
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 8: you can't Why did you travel there? Why did you

709
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 8: you don't care? Why did you travel there to try

710
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 8: and support them?

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00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm a journalist and the United States is

712
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 6: literally killing people with like we are killing people that

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00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 6: I toured two hospitals.

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Speaker 5: Why is a pediatric hostpititle.

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Speaker 6: We implemented a new rule in February that says that

716
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Speaker 6: if you're a private business, you can import oil, you

717
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 6: can import fuel.

718
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 5: So the hotel where we were required to.

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Speaker 6: Stay is allowed by the United States government to have fuel. Hospitals,

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Speaker 6: because they have a publicly run healthcare system, are not

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Speaker 6: allowed to have fuel.

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Speaker 5: I heard a lot of.

723
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Speaker 6: People complaining that the hotel still had power, but the hospitals.

724
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Speaker 6: Do you not understanding apparently that it is a US

725
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 6: rule that blocks the hospitals from getting fuel.

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Speaker 5: I tore at the pediatric hospital. You know what, the

727
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 5: you know what? The nurses and doctors there told me, they.

728
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 6: Said, when the power goes out, they immediately turn on

729
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 6: their their phone lights and race to the babies on ventilators.

730
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Speaker 6: Let me ask you this, because there's a gap and

731
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 6: hold on, there's a gap between when the power goes

732
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Speaker 6: out and when the generator kicks in. That can be

733
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 6: up to like five or six seven minutes. A baby

734
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Speaker 6: can die in that time on eventu leader. So they

735
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Speaker 6: have to take their phone, turn the light on, race

736
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Speaker 6: and hand pump the ventilator because all because of the

737
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Speaker 6: United States has decided that Mexico can't sell oil and fuel.

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Speaker 8: Let me get Cuba been doing with. Let me states, well,

739
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 8: that's fine if you know what you want to say.

740
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 8: It's not American first, that's fine. But let me ask

741
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Speaker 8: you this. How many tens of thousands of people have

742
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 8: died over the last thirty forty years as this country

743
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 8: has lived in extreme poverty eighty eight percent of the

744
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 8: people of in extreme poverty. The government will not allow

745
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 8: any kind of capitalism in to bring these people up,

746
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 8: to bring the quality of life up. How many government

747
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 8: thousands of their own people, has that government killed? We're

748
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 8: trying to strangle out of government here. And yes, there's

749
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 8: going to be ancillary. There's going to be some negative

750
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 8: impacts of that, like you just described. That's fair, but

751
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 8: you've I mean, how many people have died because of

752
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 8: the government in power.

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Speaker 6: I interviewed the number three guy in Cuba in Cuba,

754
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Speaker 6: I will let you have the interview.

755
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Speaker 5: You can air the entire thing, he said.

756
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Speaker 6: Cuban nationals Americans are welcome to invest in Cuba.

757
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Speaker 5: He said.

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Speaker 6: They're open to in a holistic negotiation, compensating Americans for

759
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 6: property that was seized during the revolutionating now they want no.

760
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 6: They offered that in the nineteen sixties. The United States

761
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Speaker 6: refused it because we thought we were going to do

762
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 6: regime change, So why take a deal if we're just

763
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 6: going to do regime change. Well, let me we didn't

764
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 6: overthrow the government. We failed over and over and over.

765
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 6: We tried to assassinate Fidel Castro, what like a dozen

766
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 6: plus times. We tried an invasion by pigs.

767
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Speaker 5: It didn't work.

768
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 6: Every other country, Italy, France, Spain, they all took they

769
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 6: all took compensation for what was nationalized. So they're saying

770
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 6: you can invest here, we will compensate you for what

771
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 6: was nationalized. All we're asking is that you lift the

772
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 6: sanctions and leave us alone.

773
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 5: Why is the regime alone?

774
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Speaker 8: Leave Cube alone, the regime alone, and let the people

775
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 8: continue to suffer. I mean, did you see the people there,

776
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 8: The misery of the people that live in that country

777
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 8: under these a holes. It's already the misery is like

778
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 8: unspeakable that way for a long time.

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00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 5: It's a lot worse.

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Speaker 6: It's the people who were there in December and people

781
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 6: who obviously live there telling me like it's noticeably worse.

782
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 6: You know, you have people like starvation and homelessness. Wasn't

783
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 6: really a thing like there was poverty. It wasn't like

784
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 6: extreme rich country. But you know, even a few months ago, the.

785
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Speaker 5: People live under two dollars a day.

786
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 8: I mean, that's nobody in America lives under two dollars

787
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 8: a day, not a single person. I gotta, I gotta

788
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 8: leave it there, but I really do. You're a good

789
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 8: sport for coming on, Ryan Griham from Drop Side News.

790
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Speaker 5: You got good to see you ran.

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Speaker 4: My favorite part of that clip is the picture of

792
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 4: you guys outside the hospital where Newsmack circled your faces

793
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: like it was a true crime documentary. Incredible. It was

794
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 4: like your face in Hassan's face.

795
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 6: You can almost hear the music that would be playing

796
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 6: in the true crime documentary there.

797
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was good stuff, good stuff. I agree with one.

798
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 4: So I'm glad that Rob Friend had you on.

799
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 5: Sure, this is a fun convers I always happy to

800
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 5: go on Newsmax. Yes, well, I'm sure they'll have me back. Right.

801
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 5: That was have a good TV for them.

802
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 4: I thought it was great TV. Let's talk about a pack.

803
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 6: So if you want to know where the center of

804
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 6: the Democratic Party is, it's always useful to study Gavin Newsom,

805
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 6: and he has gotten himself into a very interesting pickle

806
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 6: when it comes to his posture towards a pack and

807
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 6: to Israel. You might remember when Friend of the Show

808
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 6: Van Lathan had him on. He was like, you're going

809
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 6: to take a PAC money? He just kept saying, that's

810
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 6: an interesting question.

811
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 5: Interesting, Interesting that you would ask it. Never thought about

812
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 5: that before. Interesting. Interesting he's now saying he won't take

813
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 5: a PAC money.

814
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 6: He recently said that Israel is an apartheid state, and

815
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 6: we were. We should have had a timer up counting

816
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 6: down the days or minutes until he walked that back.

817
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 6: We can end that timer at his lunch with Jonathan

818
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 6: Martin of Politico, where so Johnathan mar And ask them

819
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 6: straight up about this, and this is Newsom's.

820
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 5: Response, do you consider yourself Zionists?

821
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 9: Do I consider myself Zionist? I believe I revere the

822
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 9: state of Israel. I'm proud to support the State of Israel.

823
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 5: I deeply, deeply.

824
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 9: Oppose BB, not in that Young's leadership, his opposition to

825
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 9: the two state solutions, and deeply oppose how he is

826
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 9: indulging the far right as it relates to what's going

827
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 9: on in the West Bank.

828
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 5: Using the word a partis I used it.

829
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Speaker 9: I do in this context that I said it, and

830
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 9: I referenced why I used it a Tom Friedman article

831
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 9: in that same sentence, where Tom used it in the

832
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 9: context of the direction that BB is going, and the

833
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 9: concern correct, and that is a legitimate concern I have

834
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 9: that I share with Tom that that direction, if that vision,

835
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 9: in that direction of the far right, that BB is

836
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 9: indulging that, if they see the full annexation of the

837
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 9: West Bank.

838
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 5: Then that's not something that's a word may hear others

839
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 5: use so emily.

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00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 6: The reason I say that this is an interesting pickle

841
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 6: is because it's a real test of whether a an

842
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 6: obviously very talented politician can play both sides.

843
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 5: Yeah on this question.

844
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the answer is going to be no,

845
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 6: and that even the most talented gymnasts you know, can't

846
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 6: stretch this far because the question of apartheid itself, it's like,

847
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 6: it's interesting. It's like, if you are a Palestinian born

848
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 6: in the West Bank, you have there's certain laws about

849
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 6: whether or not you can vote, you can't who you

850
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 6: can marry, where you can move if you if you

851
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 6: get married, what your what your travel is, where where

852
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 6: you can work, if you are arrested, you go to

853
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 6: military courts.

854
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 5: If you are Jewish.

855
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 6: Israeli said as in born in the West Bank, you

856
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 6: have civilian courts, you can, you can marry and move,

857
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 6: you can you have free travel restriction like you can

858
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 6: drive on different roads, like it's apartheid. The only way

859
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 6: that they get around saying it's not apartheid is well,

860
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 6: they don't have legal control of the West Bank. They're

861
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 6: just they're occupying it and they have basically they exercise

862
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 6: sovereignty over it. But what we don't recognize that the

863
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 6: West Bank is part of Israel yet, so therefore it's

864
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 6: not part of the state. So therefore technically is that

865
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Speaker 6: it's like good luck trying. But more to the point, well.

866
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Speaker 4: Also and if you're Jewish you do have privileges about

867
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 4: whether you can be a resident and come and move.

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00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 5: To Israel and the like, right, exactly, sure, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Which is I mean? I think there are important distinctions

870
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Speaker 4: because usually when people hear apartheid, it's used to invoke

871
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 4: South Africa. And there's a distinction, of course, being that

872
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 4: there are Palestinian members of the Kanessa, Muslim members of

873
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: a Kanessa. There are, it's not exactly South Africa, but

874
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 4: there are also distinctions where you see people being treated

875
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: differently on the basis of religion and ethnicity.

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00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 6: And the big problem for Gavin Newsom, correctly me, you

877
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 6: think I'm wrong here is that people don't think he

878
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 6: believes anything. Now, I think people a lot of Democrats

879
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Speaker 6: who believe that are still willing to support him if

880
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Speaker 6: they think that his new positions that he's claiming to

881
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Speaker 6: believe are something that he'll fight for, you know what

882
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 6: I mean, They're beyond caring even if like he has

883
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 6: a soul or if he believes in these things, But

884
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Speaker 6: just show me that you'll fight for whatever you're claiming

885
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 6: you believe in now, And he's going to be forced

886
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Speaker 6: to waffle back and forth on this through the entire

887
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 6: campaign if he is unwilling to make a stand. And

888
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Speaker 6: so this thing of like, oh, yeah, it's apartheid, but

889
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Speaker 6: it's not. I regret saying that is just going to

890
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 6: make him look like a nineteen nineties era politician who

891
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 6: just doesn't believe in anything.

892
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Speaker 5: And I think it's going to be a major problem

893
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Speaker 5: for him.

894
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, because when you imagine this out in the campaign

895
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 4: trail Iowa, South Carolina, New Hampshire, You're talking to people

896
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 4: at fairs and at pancake breakfasts, and you are going

897
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 4: to be in a Democratic primary in twenty twenty eight

898
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 4: every single day in and out, but rated with this question.

899
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Speaker 4: Does it backfire? And some you know, normy voters get

900
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: sick of it? Maybe, But you need the party's grassroots,

901
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: you need the base and to show up for you

902
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Speaker 4: in a small state like New Hampshire, Iowa. So he's

903
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Speaker 4: gonna have to I mean, this is this is his

904
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Speaker 4: best answer right now. You can see it how he

905
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Speaker 4: kind of repeats the question right, He's like he's ready

906
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Speaker 4: to launch. Yeah, yeah, he's like he's preparing his launch,

907
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Speaker 4: and it's this answer is clearly like well thought out

908
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Speaker 4: from their campaign perspective or their strategic perspective. And even then,

909
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Speaker 4: it's not getting cut muster when you're getting constantly hounded

910
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Speaker 4: by people over and over again, and the smartphone videos

911
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Speaker 4: are pinging around the internet.

912
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Speaker 6: And Jennifer Welch has kind of driven a lot of

913
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Speaker 6: this because these candidates, these mainstream candidates, keep coming on

914
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Speaker 6: her program and getting pressed on this exact question.

915
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Speaker 5: Let's jump to D four where she had Corey Booker.

916
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Speaker 6: On and you might remember this viral moment from the

917
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Speaker 6: fall of twenty twenty five, and there's a reason we're

918
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Speaker 6: showing you this.

919
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Speaker 5: So here's Welch and Booker.

920
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Speaker 10: I'm one of a handful of people that don't take

921
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Speaker 10: work with PAC money.

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Speaker 8: What about a PAC many.

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Speaker 11: You take APAC many, don't you.

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Speaker 10: It's a minuscule percentage of my resources coming I raised

925
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Speaker 10: like eight hundred thousand, Yeah, but that's a lifetime number.

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Speaker 11: When you did your twenty five hour speech, I was like, go, Corey,

927
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Speaker 11: I love this.

928
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Speaker 4: That is amazing.

929
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Speaker 11: And then there's a photo shoot with you with Benjamin

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Speaker 11: Att Yahoo and I was just like what.

931
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Speaker 5: In the actual fok?

932
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Speaker 11: Like, how can he do that? It was heartbreaking it

933
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Speaker 11: I felt betrayed. I felt like it diminished your twenty

934
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Speaker 11: five hours. That's how it felt to me.

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Speaker 6: I think he's a.

936
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Speaker 11: War criminal, Benjamin Att Yahoo? Do you think he's a

937
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Speaker 11: war criminal?

938
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Speaker 10: I again, these are questions that a lot of people

939
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Speaker 10: think are the important witness tests that are loaded and hot.

940
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Speaker 10: My urgency is to be an effective leader in bringing

941
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Speaker 10: an end to this crisis, and I get these questions

942
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Speaker 10: all the time that to me undermine my urgency.

943
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Speaker 11: I think the thing that democrats get so frustrated with

944
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Speaker 11: where we are right now, where you see like tho

945
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Speaker 11: zoron Mom Donnie's and the Grand Platner's rise up because

946
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Speaker 11: you can. They can go on podcasting, you can say

947
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Speaker 11: do you think Benjamin Nette, you know who's a war criminal?

948
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Speaker 6: And they just say, yes, I love what a delightful

949
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Speaker 6: collection of words that is coming out of his other.

950
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Speaker 5: Yes, these questions undermine my urgency.

951
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Speaker 4: I think he's an underline.

952
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Speaker 5: Oh the underline.

953
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Speaker 4: I think he said it was the underline.

954
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Speaker 1: Who doesn't matter.

955
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Speaker 6: Because the words aren't supposed to mean anything. They're just

956
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Speaker 6: supposed to fill space.

957
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Speaker 4: I don't worry about it.

958
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Speaker 5: You saw him backing away slightly from this.

959
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Speaker 6: You put up D two this hilarious picture that circulated

960
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Speaker 6: of when Corey Booker went to uh Cory Booker hiding

961
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Speaker 6: behind a bunch of others centers when he's meeting with

962
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Speaker 6: net Yahoo.

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Speaker 4: We did to him what they did to you on

964
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Speaker 4: news packside the Cuban hospital.

965
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Speaker 6: But this is a little bit fairer because he actually

966
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Speaker 6: does seem to be hiding back there.

967
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Speaker 5: Yes, but now we can roll D two Corey Booker.

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Speaker 5: Guess what, Just like.

969
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Speaker 6: Avin Newsom, he went from you know, getting embarrassed in

970
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Speaker 6: an interview to saying, you know what, okay, I'm not

971
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Speaker 6: taking a PAC money now. He's what he smartly did

972
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Speaker 6: is he rolled it out with this pledge that he's

973
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Speaker 6: not going to take any pack money, including a PAC money.

974
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Speaker 6: Smart Now, when you're running for president, here's what people

975
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Speaker 6: quite know.

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Speaker 5: Corporate pack money is capped at what five thousand.

977
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Speaker 6: It's dollars if you're a house member for them. Corporate

978
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Speaker 6: pack money is helpful because you can rack up half

979
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Speaker 6: a million of it very easily with a couple of

980
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Speaker 6: dinners in Washington, d C. You get you know, you know,

981
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Speaker 6: get one hundred corporate corporations around and they to give

982
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Speaker 6: you five grand boom like that's that adds up fast.

983
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Speaker 6: That's not enough for a presidential campaign. For that, you

984
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Speaker 6: need billionaires or regular people. Corey Bookers, you know, he

985
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Speaker 6: needs billionaires and who are going to drop massive checks

986
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Speaker 6: so he can say no to corporate PAC money running

987
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Speaker 6: for president and it's not actually going to hurt him

988
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Speaker 6: that much. And so what he's doing then is smuggling in.

989
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Speaker 6: I'm also not going to take a PAC money. Corey

990
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Speaker 6: Booker is one of the lead champions of APAX agenda

991
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Speaker 6: in Congress over the years. For him to understand that

992
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Speaker 6: it's too toxic to take is a watershed moment for APEC.

993
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Speaker 5: I will say that.

994
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Speaker 4: Now, let's put the five up on the screen. Ryne,

995
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Speaker 4: can you take us through this? The NBC News report

996
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Speaker 4: here a pack superac PAC funded Illinois group. We went

997
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Speaker 4: through all of this after the results last week, but

998
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Speaker 4: there's a quote here. UDP was happy to support these

999
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Speaker 4: local committees along with Chicago donors, to make sure pro

1000
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Speaker 4: Israel voices would have their voices heard, according to Patrick

1001
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Speaker 4: Dorton to NBC News on Friday. What does that mean?

1002
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Speaker 6: And so UDP is United Democracy Project, that's APAX super pac.

1003
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Speaker 6: You're like, what does that name mean, by the way,

1004
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Speaker 6: because according to them, Israel is the only democracy in

1005
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Speaker 6: the Middle East, and we are here in the United States.

1006
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Speaker 6: We're a democracy, we are United democracies, and so that's

1007
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Speaker 6: where their super pac name comes from. Just wanted to

1008
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Speaker 6: highlight this because in case there's anybody out there doesn't

1009
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Speaker 6: believe me, we've been reporting for many weeks that it

1010
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Speaker 6: was a PAC money that was funneling through these what

1011
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Speaker 6: they call local committees, and those quote unquote local committees

1012
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Speaker 6: were they're called elect Chicago Women, Affordable Chicago Now, and

1013
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 6: one other progressive something something. There were fake pop up

1014
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Speaker 6: packs that would then be funneled that would then be

1015
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Speaker 6: funded by UDP a pack Superpack.

1016
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Speaker 5: Plus a bunch of APACK donors.

1017
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Speaker 6: And then you don't learn that officially until after the

1018
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 6: campaign is over us now and when we report based

1019
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 6: on our sourcing and our or just doing journalism about

1020
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Speaker 6: what's going on Chicago.

1021
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Speaker 5: When we report, oh, no, this.

1022
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Speaker 6: Is actually a PAC money, you get people saying that's bigoted,

1023
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Speaker 6: and your trafficking in tropes and then after the campaign

1024
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Speaker 6: they're like, oh, that was us. And with one of

1025
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Speaker 6: the races, they even they won the race with this candidate,

1026
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Speaker 6: Donna Miller Apak put out a tweet saying big win

1027
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Speaker 6: for Apak. They had not endorsed her or admitted that

1028
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Speaker 6: they were even spending on her behalf still publicly then

1029
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Speaker 6: took credit for winning the race, which I feel like

1030
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Speaker 6: that you can't do that, like, okay, you one will

1031
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 6: acknowledge it. You don't get to claim like publicly. You

1032
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 6: don't get to do with the victory lab No.

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Speaker 4: You would think you would think now, speaking of victory

1034
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Speaker 4: laps quite a scene down in the I think it's

1035
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Speaker 4: the town of Palm Beach is included in this district.

1036
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Speaker 4: There's West Palm Beach, as the town of Palm Beach,

1037
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Speaker 4: there's Palm Beach itself. Last element here headline from NBC News.

1038
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Speaker 4: Democrat flips Republican held Florida State House district that includes

1039
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Speaker 4: Trump's mar A Lago. Emily Gregory, according to NBC quote,

1040
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 4: narrowly won the special election for the district Tuesday night.

1041
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 4: According to a Pete projections, Trump carried this district in

1042
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. Gregory got fifty one percent of the

1043
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Speaker 4: vote to forty nine percent for the Trump endorsed candidate

1044
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Speaker 4: in that race that had a I was I was

1045
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Speaker 4: just watching this come in on X last night. Had

1046
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Speaker 4: a lot of Dems feeling pretty good.

1047
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Speaker 5: Ryan, I think it's fun for them to just win

1048
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Speaker 5: mar A Lago.

1049
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Speaker 4: Well, tacky, Now they're going to do all like ticky

1050
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Speaker 4: TACKI like municipal stuff. Run mar A Lago a mess

1051
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Speaker 4: with them. Well they can't mean it would have to

1052
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Speaker 4: go through the House.

1053
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Speaker 5: And another one, it's now official.

1054
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Speaker 6: It wasn't official last night, but it's in a Senate

1055
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Speaker 6: a Republican Senate District fourteen. I don't know where that is,

1056
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Speaker 6: and you can look it up. Democrats flipped that one too.

1057
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Speaker 6: Guy Brian Nathan beat Josie tom Cow a Republican. So

1058
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Speaker 6: that had been so they flipped. They flipped. Democrats flipped

1059
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Speaker 6: two seats in Florida that had been Republican held before.

1060
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Speaker 6: I think the Republicans had won Trump's mar A Lago

1061
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Speaker 6: seat by eleven points before.

1062
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Speaker 5: So if you're in a republic it's another sign of

1063
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Speaker 5: this roughly, you know.

1064
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Speaker 6: So that's a thirteen point swing that we've been seeing

1065
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Speaker 6: somewhere between ten and twenty points in all these special elections.

1066
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Speaker 6: If that holds, This Texas jerry mander where they put

1067
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Speaker 6: people put Republicans in districts where they kind of won

1068
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Speaker 6: by like eight nine points may go down as one

1069
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Speaker 6: of the funniest owned goals ever because what they've done

1070
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Speaker 6: is they redrew all these Texas districts to actually now

1071
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Speaker 6: put them within reach for Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Whoops, insane? All right, well, quickly, Ryan, let's go to

1073
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Speaker 4: AI blackhouse. We got a guest come in in just

1074
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Speaker 4: one moment. Some breaking news on this, by the way,

1075
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Speaker 4: according to Brian Metzger, as of just this morning, Bernie

1076
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Speaker 4: Sanders and Alexandro Cozercortas are planning to introduce the quote

1077
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Speaker 4: AI Data Center Moratorium Act at a four pm press

1078
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Speaker 4: conference over on Capitol Hill. So that's expect that to

1079
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Speaker 4: come down later today. But why might they be pursuing this? Well,

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Speaker 4: one reason for settlement we can toss up on the

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Speaker 4: screen here Pert Tom Winter over at NBC News Electrical Grid.

1082
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Speaker 4: This is, according to his NBC News report, Calle electrical

1083
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Speaker 4: grid at increasing risk of blackouts due to surging demand,

1084
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 4: and he asked could there be blackouts in NYC. How

1085
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 4: serious is the threat nationwide? The fact that question is

1086
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: even being asked, Ryan is all the evidence you need

1087
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Speaker 4: for why populists on the left might be considering introducing

1088
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Speaker 4: a moratorium on the data center.

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Speaker 6: Now look forward to people asking their phones, Grock, is

1090
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 6: it true that I'm in a blackout.

1091
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Speaker 5: Caused by you?

1092
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 4: That is so dark? That was so dark. Let's take

1093
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Speaker 4: a look actually at this video from an interview that

1094
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Speaker 4: was done in Kentucky really recently. It was making the rounds.

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Speaker 4: This is a Kentucky family being interviewed. I think this

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Speaker 4: was the local news about a data center. Let's roll it.

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Speaker 1: It's my way.

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Speaker 12: I'll stay in hold and feed a nation. Twenty six

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Speaker 12: million doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 13: Some people might find it hard to understand how Delcia

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Speaker 13: Bear can turn away a twenty six million dollar offer

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Speaker 13: to buy some of her land until you spend a

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00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 13: little time with her walking the dirt road she grew

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Speaker 13: up on, and in the house her daddy built.

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Speaker 12: My grandfather and great grandfather and a whole bunch of

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00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 12: family has all lived here for years, paid taxes on it,

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Speaker 12: fed a nation off of it.

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Speaker 13: So what do you say to the people who are

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Speaker 13: in town that say, hey, this is going to bring jobs,

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Speaker 13: this is going to bring economic prosperity.

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Speaker 12: I say they're a liar and a truth ain't in them,

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Speaker 12: is what I'll say.

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Speaker 1: It's a scam for Delcia.

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Speaker 5: Scam or not.

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Speaker 13: She says she's connected to her home. Like Scarlet O'Hara

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00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 13: was in Gone with the Wind.

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Speaker 12: As long as she was attached to that land, her

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Speaker 12: spirit never would die. And that's the exact same thing

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Speaker 12: for me right here. As long as I'm on this land,

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Speaker 12: as long as it's feeding me, as long as it's

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Speaker 12: taking care of me, there's nothing can destroy me if

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Speaker 12: I've got this land.

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Speaker 4: I actually just watch Gone with the Win again a

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Speaker 4: couple of a couple of weeks ago. I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: Scarlett Ohio is the comparison she wants to make it

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Speaker 4: in this case, but you see how deeply fall it

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Speaker 4: will allow it, fan will allow it.

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Speaker 5: In the interest of whatever will allow it.

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, this is another one of these AI updates that

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Speaker 4: just casually pops into the discourse, and it's so massive

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00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 4: you can't even do it justice through coverage because again,

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Speaker 4: like it's casual things that AI guys are saying. This

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00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 4: is Jensen Wang of the video over with Lex Friedman.

1134
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 4: He says, we've achieved AGI.

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Speaker 5: We could roll the clip. I think it's now, I

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00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 5: think we've achieved AGI.

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Speaker 1: You think you can have a company run by an

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Speaker 1: AI system like this possible?

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Speaker 14: And the reason for that is this, you said billion,

1140
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 14: and you didn't say forever. And so for example, it

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00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 14: is not out of the question that a claw was

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 14: able to create a web service, some interesting little app

1143
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 14: that all of a sudden, you know, a few billion

1144
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 14: people used for fifty cents.

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Speaker 4: The robots are now on our levels a little now.

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Speaker 4: He has his own motivations for saying that.

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Speaker 6: Right, because he's the only guy making any money here

1148
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Speaker 6: because he's selling all these chips. Everybody else is losing money.

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Speaker 6: That's the new definition of AGI. That you can make

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Speaker 6: an app like that, an agent can make an app

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Speaker 6: that people might like. Okay, I thought we were I

1152
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 6: thought AGI was supposed to mean something a lot deeper

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01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 6: and more profound than that.

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Speaker 5: But whatever. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now, finally about where this is going in again to

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01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 4: the point about why Bernie and AOC are teaming up

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Speaker 4: on this moratorium, which by like, I don't I get

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Speaker 4: the thrust of the moratorium policy. I'm not necessarily advocating

1159
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Speaker 4: that that's the right thing and the wrong thing. I

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Speaker 4: have to think about it more, but you can see

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Speaker 4: the politics of it from a country mile why it's

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Speaker 4: important for them to be on this side of the issue.

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Speaker 4: And we could put the New York Times tearsheet up

1164
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Speaker 4: on the screen here. Young graduates face the grimmest job

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Speaker 4: market in years. I don't know if they invoke grim

1166
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 4: and digitally, but listen to this. The unemployment rate for

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01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 4: college graduates ages twenty two to twenty seven swared to

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01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 4: five point six percent at the end of last year.

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Speaker 4: That is, we are going back to the New York

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Speaker 4: Times as a chart included in this article, We're going

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Speaker 4: back to roughly great recession levels of unemployment for people

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Speaker 4: with college degrees. And this is a spring a lot

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01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 4: of people right now looking for jobs finding that they're

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Speaker 4: probably hitting an impass hitting a wall in those searches.

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Speaker 4: The Times article says that this is not necessarily the say,

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Speaker 4: although AI may be replacing some entry level jobs in

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Speaker 4: the margins, there's little evidence it's the main culprit yet.

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Speaker 4: But some of it is from quote low higher, low

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Speaker 4: fire dynamics in the labor market. Most of it is

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Speaker 4: what the Times report says economists are convinced on that note,

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Speaker 4: what this tells us is next year, year after, what

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01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 4: we could be looking at is low high low fire

1183
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 4: dynamics and an AI potentially an AI blood bath of

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Speaker 4: entry level positions. So what that actually is telling us

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Speaker 4: is the worst may be yet.

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Speaker 6: To come, right, and people expect that we're heading into

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Speaker 6: very uncertain territory, and so as a result, they're not hiring,

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Speaker 6: so that which becomes a self fulfilling thing.

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Speaker 5: It is bleak. It's bleak.

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Speaker 6: Even in China, by the way, I was looking at

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Speaker 6: it up there, they're seeing an increase to and unemployment

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Speaker 6: among people in their twenties. So this is this is

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Speaker 6: a trend, isn't unique to us? Yeah? Maybe, uh, they

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Speaker 6: should do a little moratorium over there too.

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Speaker 5: They don't have the same energy problems though, Well, thing

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Speaker 5: fire away.

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Speaker 4: On a similar note, let's break down some economic indicators.

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Speaker 6: So the entire underpinning of the US run global economy

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Speaker 6: is under threat by the Iran war.

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Speaker 5: We put up this Reuter's article talking about.

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Speaker 6: The rattling of the foundations of the Gulf petro dollar,

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Speaker 6: which would have extraordinary implications for the US economy and

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Speaker 6: everybody else around the world. It's based significantly on a

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Speaker 6: Deutsche Bank report that concluded, quote the huge strategic importance

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Speaker 6: of the Middle East to the dollar's role as the

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Speaker 6: world's reserve currency should not be underestimated. The current conflict

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Speaker 6: could test the foundations of the petro dollar regime unquote.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 6: When Deutsche Bank had floated this as a risk of

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Speaker 6: the looming conflict in Iran back in January, Treasury Secretary

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Speaker 6: Scott Bessen lashed out at them, sit you basically saying,

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Speaker 6: how dare you now that this is now that the

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Speaker 6: war has come to pass, We're seeing the Iranians allowing

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Speaker 6: oil tankers to go through the Strait of Hormuz as

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Speaker 6: long as they trade and yu won you're seeing and

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Speaker 6: you're seeing a lot of questioning of the value of

1217
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Speaker 6: the relationship the petro dollar.

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Speaker 5: Effectively, Emily mean you know as you know means the

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Speaker 5: deal is uh.

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Speaker 6: The these Middle Eastern countries, Saudi Arabia most most particularly,

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Speaker 6: will sell its you will sell its oil in dollars.

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Speaker 6: We will offer them protection as a result of that,

1223
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Speaker 6: and and with their dollars. They will invest that back

1224
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Speaker 6: in the United States and global economy in dollars, particularly

1225
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Speaker 6: buying US treasury bonds, so which which allows us to

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Speaker 6: keep our interest rates down and allows us to keep

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Speaker 6: our our debt load at at what it is.

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Speaker 5: If if that breaks down, you're you're.

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Speaker 6: Looking at a completely different era for the US.

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Speaker 5: And we put up f F one.

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Speaker 6: There had been some hope mortgage interest rates had been

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Speaker 6: coming back down to earth hope. There was hope that

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Speaker 6: people who are locked into their mortgage would be able

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01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 6: to start, would be able to sell, that people who've

1235
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 6: been waiting forever to buy a house would be able

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01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 6: to buy. In the last couple of weeks, we're now

1237
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Speaker 6: surging seven percent again.

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Speaker 5: You know, could be could be in sight.

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Speaker 6: If if these trends continue, We're up over back over

1240
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 6: six percent and put up F two. People are not

1241
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 6: feeling so good about Donald Trump's handling the economy. If

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Speaker 6: you're just listening to this, you're not getting to see

1243
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Speaker 6: the blood on this chart. It looks like Donald Trump's

1244
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Speaker 6: approvalating got hacked, like it's.

1245
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Speaker 4: Just by Joe Biden.

1246
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 5: It's just straight down and by Joe Biden.

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01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 6: Yet it shows his Trump's approval of the economy finished

1248
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 6: in that around fifty percent.

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Speaker 4: Now compare that to where he was in his first term.

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Speaker 4: Look at that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he used to be People used to love him.

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Speaker 6: Is his handling of the economy at least Biden at

1253
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 6: tanked under Biden, spiked at the beginning under Trump, and

1254
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 6: is now down to twenty nine percent.

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Speaker 5: Of people approving of the economy.

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Speaker 4: It's I mean, this is a midterm year. This is

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Speaker 4: a midterm year for Donald Trump. And you know, he

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01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 4: looks at the markets and he says, well, the markets

1259
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 4: are up, so that's the economy, right, What's wrong with voters? Right?

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Speaker 4: He keeps musing what's wrong with the people? What's wrong

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Speaker 4: with the voters? And obviously the American people are not

1262
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 4: feeling that the economy is good because the markets are good.

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01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 4: So if you see the markets is the economy. That

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01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 4: would be a very confusing figure.

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Speaker 5: Like wait a minute, why am I not messaging this right?

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Speaker 4: And I mean, we can just go ahead and toss

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01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 4: this element up on the screen. This is from the well,

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01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 4: actually we'll save that. We talked about this earlier in

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Speaker 4: the show, so we don't have to get back to it.

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Speaker 4: But the New York Times new article that we talked

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Speaker 4: about moments ago on the college graduate situation. People are saying,

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Speaker 4: it's the uncertainty that's in the economy. It's not necessarily

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01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 4: AI yet, right, but Liberation Day peddle to the medal

1274
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Speaker 4: on AI. This is just the first year, right, this

1275
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 4: is just the first year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is dark.

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Speaker 6: And this is before the collapse, before the collapse, before

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01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 6: the crash that everybody knows is coming.

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Speaker 4: Well, and remember when this was the Scott Bessett letter

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Speaker 4: where he said, quote Trump will pursue a week dollar

1281
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 4: policy rather than implementing tariffs. Weakening the dollar early in

1282
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 4: the second admin would make us manufacturing competitive. A week

1283
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 4: dollar and puddiful cheap energy could power a boom. What

1284
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Speaker 4: is this what we're witnessing?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, I guess.

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Speaker 6: So, so to find out how voters are thinking about this,

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Speaker 6: let's bring in state Representative Chris rob who is running

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Speaker 6: for Philadelphia's open congressional seat. Rob was recently indoor by

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Speaker 6: Justice Democrats, and so giving him a real shot in

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01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 6: the arm in this kind of open race that has

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Speaker 6: like you know, seventy two different people running for it.

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Speaker 6: Because if if you get elected to this Philadelphia Seed,

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Speaker 6: one of the most progressive probably bastions in the United States,

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01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 6: you know you're going to be you know, people think

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Speaker 6: if you get it, you're going to be in there.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be difficult to dislodge you. So uh,

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Speaker 6: State Representative Rob, thank you so much for joining us,

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Speaker 6: my pleasure. And the election is in the middle of May.

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Speaker 6: So this is this is coming pretty rapidly around the corner.

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Speaker 6: You know, in New York Mayor Mom Donnie came up

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Speaker 6: with this innovative idea, apparently innovative in American politics, that

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01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 6: he would actually talk about how difficult it is for

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01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 6: people to live day to day and that people might

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Speaker 6: respond to that.

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Speaker 5: It was kind of people are like, that's crazy.

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01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 6: You're going to talk about people's material concerns and you

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01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 6: think they're going to respond to politician.

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Speaker 5: This is crazy. And now he's mayor.

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Speaker 6: So since then, we've seen a lot of Democrats adopt

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Speaker 6: his language around affordability, but not often connected to concrete

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Speaker 6: ways that he's going to actually make your h that

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Speaker 6: Democrats are going to make your life more affordable. So

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Speaker 6: I'm curious as this as people have really come to

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01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 6: the conclusion that this economy sucks. What are you seeing

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Speaker 6: on the campaign trail from people and what is what

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01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 6: are you finding is resonating with them?

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Speaker 5: And what isn't well sure.

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Speaker 15: So I've been on the campaign trail for several months

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Speaker 15: now and it's a It's a very unique moment for

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01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,839
Speaker 15: us in Philadelphia because it's the first time in thirty

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Speaker 15: five years that there's no incumbent on the ballot in

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01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 15: this race thirty five years, so we literally have voters

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Speaker 15: who are not born the last time there was no

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Speaker 15: incumbent on the ballot. It's also, like you said, the

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Speaker 15: bluest congressional district nationwide, of all four hundred and thirty

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Speaker 15: five seats, it's number one. It is also an aggressively

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Speaker 15: young district, so it's all within the city of Philadelphia.

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Speaker 15: Over half of voters are millennials and younger. It is

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Speaker 15: also a majority black district with a lot of ethnic

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Speaker 15: diversity and a number of universities, so it is a

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 15: unique space to be campaigning. And as someone who never

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Speaker 15: takes corporate pack money, that's one of the first questions

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01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 15: people ask, particularly folks who are on social media, because

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Speaker 15: they see that there's a corrosive influence of money in politics,

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01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,919
Speaker 15: and they assume that any viable candidate, be they Democrat

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01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 15: or Republican, is somehow mired in that system. And they

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01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 15: are shocked and pleasantly surprised that I don't take corporate

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01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 15: pack money and that I've never taken in it. And

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01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 15: that also relates to how I message on issues that

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01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 15: are of concern to people. Because I have opponents who

1341
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 15: will not say we should tax the ultra wealthy because

1342
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 15: they receive money from ultra wealthy insiders. They will not

1343
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 15: mention Gaza because they have support from folks who want

1344
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 15: the war in Iran, and that's connected to the ongoing

1345
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 15: genocide in Palestine. There are folks who are not going

1346
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 15: to talk about medicare for all in the most meaningful

1347
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 15: ways because they're receiving money from folks who do not

1348
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 15: want universal health care in this country. And so people

1349
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 15: are finding that refreshing. It's Mandani put it on the

1350
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 15: map and did it masterfully. It also helped that there

1351
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 15: was ranked choice voting in New York, which I'm the

1352
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 15: prime sponsor of in Pennsylvania and the Pennsylvania legislature, and

1353
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 15: also that there's public financing of elections, which is also huge,

1354
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 15: which I think a lot of people appreciate because it

1355
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 15: reduces the influence of the wealthiest members of the donor class,

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01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 15: so that we can actually have races that are not

1357
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 15: pandering to folks closest to the epstein class essentially.

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Speaker 4: So one of the I think questions that's always valuable

1359
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 4: to ask people who are out campaigning in the field

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01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 4: is what are you hearing? I mean, this is, as

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01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 4: you mentioned, very deep blue area. What are you hearing

1362
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 4: from voters? And then how much do they care about

1363
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 4: the issues that you're hearing about, Because one of the

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 4: big questions in a midterm cycle is how the coalition

1365
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 4: turns out on election day, how energized people are to

1366
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 4: go vote, whether it's the economy, maybe for some people

1367
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 4: it's Gaza or on. But what are you hearing about

1368
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 4: most and what is your sense about how deeply people

1369
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,799
Speaker 4: are bothered by those issues?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, so I think it's a twofold kind of view.

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01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 15: One is, when I'm meeting folks for the first time

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01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 15: and they don't know anything about me, they want to

1373
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 15: kind of test how authentic I am, right, So they'll say,

1374
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 15: do you take corporate pack money assuming that I do,

1375
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 15: because you know, I'm viable, and it's like no, and

1376
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 15: they're like, oh, all right, where are you on a Palestine.

1377
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 15: I'm like, well, I believe there's an ongoing genocide in

1378
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 15: Palestine and that needs to be addressed, and their shock

1379
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 15: that I even use the word. And then they'll say, well,

1380
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 15: what about Ice? And I said, well, we should start

1381
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 15: with abolishing ice, but we should also dismantle the immigrant

1382
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 15: detention centers, which were born out of bi partisan complicity.

1383
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Speaker 15: And that's when I pivot into talking about critiquing my

1384
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 15: own party, because I'm running in the Democratic primary. So

1385
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 15: while everyone likes to take shots at Trump because it's

1386
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 15: so easy, we can and less and until we can

1387
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 15: hold our own party to account, it really doesn't matter

1388
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 15: about anything else until we've done that. And so one

1389
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 15: of the things I do is I say I am

1390
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 15: not an establishment Democrat. I've never been, even though I'm

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01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 15: a five term incumbent. I've never been endorsed by my

1392
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 15: own political party, even though I've received more votes than

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01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 15: any state representative in Pennsylvania history, because I'm an independent

1394
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 15: thinker who does not I'm nobody's rubber stamp, and people

1395
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 15: seem to respond well to that in this moment, because

1396
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 15: establishment politics is why we got here, Centrism is why

1397
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 15: we got here. In centrism is not going to be

1398
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 15: the solution for systemic issues that people are crying out

1399
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 15: to be addressed in the most bold and humane ways.

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01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 4: It's fascinating that they're going through these series of litmus

1401
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 4: tests to determine how anti establishment.

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01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 6: You are, which is entirely fair, right, It is because

1403
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 6: I think people are thinking, like, if you're not willing

1404
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 6: to say these basically obviously true things, then you're not

1405
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 6: going to fight on it.

1406
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 5: You're not going to fight on anything else.

1407
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 6: And in that respect, your race caught some national attention

1408
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 6: on the flip side when your lead opponent, Ala Stanford

1409
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 6: made some extraordinarily like bizarre and eyebrow raising comments that

1410
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 6: went in the complete opposite direction.

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01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 5: We'll play it in a little clip here.

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01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 6: Which actually from Sunrise Movement Philadelphia, which has endorsed you

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01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 6: this as a climate group, but showing the kind of

1414
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 6: valance and the and the strength of the question of

1415
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 6: this genocide in Gaza for the Sunrise Movement that seems

1416
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 6: to be a proxy as well for your willingness to

1417
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 6: fight on the climate because I think Dona Hazikoats said,

1418
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 6: you know, if you're not if you're not gonna draw

1419
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 6: the line at genocide, how can I trust you to

1420
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 6: fight for democracy? Same is true, I think for everything else,

1421
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 6: the climate included. So let's quickly let's roll this well

1422
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 6: Sunrise clip here.

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Speaker 16: If you're in Philly, you got to hear this. Aylas Stanford,

1424
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 16: who's running to be our next congress person, just compared

1425
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 16: using the word genocide to using the N word.

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01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 5: Acknowledging the fact.

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Speaker 16: That Israel has committed genocide against the Polyestinians is not

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01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 16: the same as using a slur that has been used

1429
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 16: to harm black people throughout this nation's history. But I

1430
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 16: guess that's the kind of loyalty that over a million

1431
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 16: dollars from pro Israel groups can buy from you.

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01:15:59,200 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 5: Huh.

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01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 16: If you want the kind of candidate who has the

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01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 16: courage to say well, then you'd be in good luck

1435
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 16: because the Sunrise movement is supporting this dude, Chris rab

1436
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 16: who's running for Congress, and you can help us put

1437
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 16: him there by signing our Sunrise for Rab interest form

1438
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 16: or donating to his campaign in order to get a

1439
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 16: uncompromised progressive leader in Congress. Let's be apex.

1440
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 6: So has there been any fallout for Stanford for that

1441
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 6: comment saying I don't want to describe what's going on

1442
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 6: in gods as the G word because to me, that's

1443
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 6: for some people that's too similar to the N words.

1444
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 6: What has been the kind of reaction to locally to that?

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01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 15: I mean, it is such a bizarre and problematic statement.

1446
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 15: The response from Jewish people has been overwhelming, like, how

1447
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 15: dare you put it? Make us a monolith? Conflate a

1448
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 15: pack with Judaism or Jewish identity. That's that's offensive to

1449
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 15: to to connect an actual genocide with a term used

1450
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 15: by white supremacists to dehumanize black people over centuries, like

1451
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 15: it is so deeply problematic. But here's but here's where

1452
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 15: it matters most. This superpack three one four Action on

1453
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 15: the surface is about empowering and supporting folks with the

1454
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 15: stem background to run for Congress, right right, But the

1455
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 15: reality is three one four Action received millions of dollars

1456
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 15: from a United Democracy Project, which is a front group

1457
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 15: for a PAC. But it's worse because the six Democratic

1458
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 15: physicians currently in Congress who are endorsed by this same superpack,

1459
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 15: are not folks who are on the Medicare for All bill.

1460
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 15: They are not one of the over one one hundred

1461
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 15: and ten co sponsors of the Medicare for All bill.

1462
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 15: And why does that matter because in this election, in

1463
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 15: this campaign trail, rather all of us claim to be

1464
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 15: for universal health care. But I'm the only one who

1465
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 15: says I would co sponsor the Medicare for All bill,

1466
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 15: which is very different and it's very precise, and my

1467
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 15: opponent's not doing that. And if you have a superpack

1468
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 15: that now has given over two and a half million

1469
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 15: dollars in support for candidacy and their track record is

1470
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 15: only supporting Democrats who are physicians who do not support

1471
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 15: Medicare for all, that's problematic and that does not pass

1472
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 15: the smell test among folks who are outraged at this

1473
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 15: awful statement, and also being funded by folks who are

1474
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 15: not human beings, like this should just I only get

1475
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 15: money from human beings. I'm old school that way, and

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01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 15: I think that's important. People want to see that I'm

1477
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 15: not accountable to anyone but the people, and I remind

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01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 15: people that my biggest donor.

1479
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 5: Is my mommy, And just to do a little back padding.

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01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 6: Twenty twenty four, I did the reporting on this race

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01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 6: in Oregon.

1482
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 5: Was it Oregon?

1483
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 6: No Seattle, Washington, Sattle where Maxine Dexter, who is now

1484
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 6: a member of Congress was also a physician, was backed

1485
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 6: by this called super pac called three fourteen action, which

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01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 6: backs doctors and scientists, or says they backed doctors and scientists.

1487
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 6: I reported that in fact, a PAK was using it

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01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 6: as a shell to secretly funnel money in it because

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01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 6: they opposed Sushila Giapaul, who is Primilla Giapaul's sister Permeilla

1490
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 6: Giapaul had been critical of Israel. They didn't want her

1491
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 6: sister coming to Congress. They furiously denied it, called me

1492
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 6: all sorts of names, bigot, et cetera. And then after

1493
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 6: the election is over and she wins, they publicly have

1494
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 6: to now do their filing and as oh, yep, it

1495
01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 6: was APAK the entire time. And so now every time

1496
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 6: that three fourteen Action jumps into these races in a

1497
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 6: significant way, people are asking where did this money come from?

1498
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 6: And to me that because sometimes it's not a PAC

1499
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 6: money with through three fourteen actions. Sometimes it is if

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01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 6: they're putting in a huge amount it's probably a PAC money.

1501
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 6: How are they over a million for her at this

1502
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 6: point or what are they?

1503
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 15: Yes, they're throwing I think it's over two million at

1504
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 15: this point. Wow, they're being odd.

1505
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 6: And I can tell you from reporting on this group

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01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 6: over the years. This is not a new group. Three

1507
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 6: fourteen has been around for a while. They're the kind

1508
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 6: of super PAC that usually comes in and spends six

1509
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 6: low six figures in a race, because while doctors and

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01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 6: scientists are doing well in the United States, they're the

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01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 6: kind of people that will write five and ten thousand

1512
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,879
Speaker 6: dollars checks. They're not They don't own stadiums and baseball teams,

1513
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 6: and so they're not the kind of people that can

1514
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 6: write multimillion dollar checks. So if they're spending two plus

1515
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 6: million dollars in this race, the chances that that's a

1516
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 6: PAC money are very high because that it's just outside

1517
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:10,799
Speaker 6: of the pattern of what they've done over the years. Yeah, anyway,

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01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 6: were you going to say something?

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01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 4: No, I just I was kind of wondering my mind

1520
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 4: how Iran. The war in Iran has changed, if at all,

1521
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 4: the race. It seems like something that would shake things up.

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01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 5: Good question.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it should, but only if you have you show

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Speaker 15: the nexus between what's happened in Palestine and the interest like,

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01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 15: this is net Yahoo's war, right, this is net Yahoo's war.

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01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 15: Trump is doing the bidding of net Yahoo. So if

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Speaker 15: you support, if you have issues with net Yahoo, then

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Speaker 15: you should have deep issues with what's happening in Iran.

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01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 15: So everyone is against the war in Iran in this race,

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Speaker 15: but they're not connecting the dots between the interests of

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01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 15: folks who want to level Gaza and the folks who

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Speaker 15: believe in regime shamee and do not believe in multilateral diplomacy, right,

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Speaker 15: And that's a problem, and that's what I'm trying to

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Speaker 15: connect the dots for. The other thing is a lot

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Speaker 15: of people are concerned about this, but they're also concerned

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Speaker 15: about putting food on the table and you know, filling

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Speaker 15: up their gas tanks. And my job is to connect

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Speaker 15: the dots to say, every bomb we drop on civilians

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Speaker 15: in Tehran, there is money that could go to free childcare,

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Speaker 15: you know, social housing, universal basic income, any number of

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01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 15: these so called radical ideas that are adopted in other

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Speaker 15: industrialized nations with far less financial wealth than what we have.

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01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 15: And so that's how I connect the dots and it's important.

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Speaker 15: But they are opponents of mine who do not want

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Speaker 15: those dots connected because they're going to be against the

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Speaker 15: war in Iran. But therefore what Yahoo is seeking to

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Speaker 15: do in Palestine, and that is deeply problematic and hypocritical.

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Speaker 6: Well, Chris Rab, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 6: The will continue to follow this race.

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Speaker 15: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to look in a little close to

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Speaker 6: see if we can nail down for certain whether this

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01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 6: is a pac money going through three fourteen.

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Speaker 5: But appreciate you joining my pleasure.

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Speaker 4: That's going to do it for us. On today's edition

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Speaker 4: of Breaking Points. As a reminder, head upbreakingpoints dot com

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Speaker 4: support journalists like Ryan Grimm.

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01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 5: Going to Cuba ain't cheap. Actually it was fairly to

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Speaker 5: seven hundred dollars for three nights.

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Speaker 4: Reasonable. That was like Also the visas.

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Speaker 5: You get breakfast, well we got breakfast.

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Speaker 6: The visa was ninety dollars. Okay, that goes straight to Cuba.

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Speaker 15: There you go.

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Speaker 4: Well, please go to breakingpoints dot com support the.

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Speaker 5: Shot at one of your one.

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01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 6: Breaking Points premium sub pays for a visa.

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Speaker 4: It's like we're about to do ten dollars left over. Yeah,

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01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 4: we should zoom in on Ryan's face and have him

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01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 4: like looking like a.

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Speaker 5: Said puppy trying to buy me another visa.

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Speaker 4: All right, well, thanks so much. We'll see you on Friday,

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Speaker 4: half for the Friday Show Premium Half of the Friday Show.

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