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Speaker 1: from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio and welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you along with

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Speaker 1: our special guest John Desusa today as we talk about

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Speaker 1: extraterrestrials and the pyreanormal and of course his work. Would

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Speaker 1: he was with the FBI manning the Pure Normal Desk, John,

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Speaker 1: what would you say the majority of the cases that

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Speaker 1: came across that desk were were they UFO related? Primarily?

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Speaker 1: Definitely UFO Alien technology related. It and related to alien

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Speaker 1: visitors in one form or another, or what people believed

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Speaker 1: may have been these areas. And when I say people,

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Speaker 1: I mean I mean sheriffs and police chiefs and people

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Speaker 1: cases that they just didn't know what to do with

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Speaker 1: and didn't know who to turn to, and so they

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Speaker 1: would just put in a form of police cooperation form

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Speaker 1: request to the FBI saying do you have any subject

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Speaker 1: matter experts that could work or give us an opinion

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Speaker 1: a consultation on something like this. And it was just me.

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Speaker 1: That was just me and my partner, and we were

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Speaker 1: the ones that would basically deal with that sort of thing. Now,

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Speaker 1: what is partial disclosure faith disclosure? They're partial disclosure and

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Speaker 1: fake disclosure are the same thing. Actual disclosure is what

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Speaker 1: people imagine when the government or any governments finally say, okay,

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Speaker 1: you got us, So we've known about the aliens and

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Speaker 1: And I believe that's never going to happen because it

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Speaker 1: would admit guilt on the part of many actors on

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Speaker 1: withholding a lot of information technologies that could have saved

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Speaker 1: many lives since nineteen forty seven. And I just don't

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Speaker 1: believe the government and national governments have and this inside

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Speaker 1: information on anything the alien visitors or UFOs are doing.

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Speaker 1: So they cannot produce true disclosure. What they do produce

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Speaker 1: sometimes and what we see at times is fake or

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Speaker 1: partial disclosure, which are almost the same thing. They'll use

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Speaker 1: semi private organizations or private individuals as a front in

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Speaker 1: order to appear to release UFO data and alien visitor data.

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Speaker 1: And wherever you see these government actors or these semi

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Speaker 1: governmental actors false flags. Yeah, yeah, you'll see false flags,

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Speaker 1: and you'll see fake or partial disclosure and partial disclosures. Basically, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's this, uh, here's this genuine, authentic video of a UFO,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to show it to you. We're going

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Speaker 1: to release it through the Pentagon, and here it is.

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Speaker 1: Let's show it to everybody, and then there's no there's

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Speaker 1: no follow up, there's no Okay, we know this is

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Speaker 1: alien because here's the here's the documentation. Here's how we

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Speaker 1: alien uptake on this is. You know, thereas there's no

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Speaker 1: completion of the disclosure. It's a partial disclosure where they

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Speaker 1: There's there's no follow up government. Because if this was

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Speaker 1: going to let you know. That would be full disclosure,

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Speaker 1: Why not, John, Why not? Because I don't believe they habit.

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Speaker 1: ones who have real disclosure are the elite powers in control,

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Speaker 1: also known as the cabal, the fake government, the system

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Speaker 1: of dominances. It's over the nations, the system of dominance

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Speaker 1: So these things, these issues go back into antiquity, of

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Speaker 1: course they do. But you know in the modern era.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it all started in nineteen forty seven when

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Speaker 1: what we think is the modern machinery to actually go

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Speaker 1: after UFO, which turned out pretty badly for us in

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two over Washington, DC. There's one individual out

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Speaker 1: there in the field of u fology john who doesn't

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Speaker 1: believe that visitations are very friendly at all. And that's

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Speaker 1: a doctor David Jacobs who believes that these visitations have

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Speaker 1: a tone of evil to it, not benevolent at all.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of that? I love doctor J.

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Speaker 1: David jacobs work because although I have I usually have

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Speaker 1: a great disdain for scientists, he is actually a true

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Speaker 1: investigators great the data follows. He truly follows the data

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Speaker 1: wherever it would lead, and he is not afraid to

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Speaker 1: lead behind material conclusions and go into the paranormal as

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Speaker 1: a conclusion. So yes, David Jacob's work is tremendous, tremendously important,

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Speaker 1: are malevolent alien intentions, and because we can see it

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Speaker 1: in the cases, you just have to examine the cases. However,

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Speaker 1: have reviewed and investigated and seen, I see cases of

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Speaker 1: benevolence as well. I see alien visitors who have actually

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Speaker 1: it's just there's just like a pure malevolence, like what

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Speaker 1: just a malevolence where it's just uncaring, unfeeling abduction and

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Speaker 1: And yeah, there's a lot of cases like that. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: could we say, John, the et presence basically echoes this

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Speaker 1: lousy people on this planet. We've got the benevolent people.

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Speaker 1: We have hateful people. Yeah, I think that would be

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Speaker 1: accurate because the cases show both clearly, they show benevolence

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Speaker 1: and they show malevolence too. And but what's really amazing

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Speaker 1: is how the cases keep increasing in number, in volume,

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Speaker 1: in scale. They just keep on increasing and they just

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Speaker 1: don't taper off. They don't level off or taper off.

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Speaker 1: Abductions keep increasing, and abductions that we can that we

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Speaker 1: can maybe not firmly put on alien abduction, but that

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Speaker 1: could possibly have connections to alien abductions because if you

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Speaker 1: beings per year. Yeah, they're just gone vanished, Yes, people

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Speaker 1: it might even be higher who knows, huh, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: and they could be higher, and it is higher in

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Speaker 1: it's just not explainable on a physical level. Can you

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Speaker 1: imagine what it's like for a family John, you know,

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Speaker 1: Were you able to pinpoint where these ets are coming

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Speaker 1: that's a That's an excellent question, George, because I have

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Speaker 1: feel that that question was answered, and it's one of

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Speaker 1: Extra Dimensionals. And here's where it was answered. Was answered

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Speaker 1: in the Smoking Gun document where people can look at

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Speaker 1: then there's this big old tap that says that says

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Speaker 1: that opens up cattle mutilation investigations, that opens up UFOs,

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Speaker 1: and you press on the button that says UFOs, and

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Speaker 1: then that opens up a lot of groups of documents,

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Speaker 1: many many groups of documents, because this is going back

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Speaker 1: a hundred years in FBI history. And you just open

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Speaker 1: then you press on that, and then you go to

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Speaker 1: page twenty two, and on page twenty two is what

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Speaker 1: I call the smoking gun document. It is a document

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Speaker 1: that has hardly any strikeout to just a one page memorandum.

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Speaker 1: It says it's title a memorandum of importance. That is

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