1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Dabak Podcast. It's Friday, the nineteenth of July. Here in London. 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepka. 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: And I'm Lizzie Burden. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 3: Coming up today, a major global tech outage hits Banks, 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: TV Networks, Airlines and the London Stock Exchange. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump accepts his party's nomination and accounts surviving the 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: assassination attempt. 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: Plus speculation mounts. 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: President Biden's grasp on the Democratic presidential nomination appears to 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 3: be slipping, as reports suggest that Obama has also now 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 3: weighed in. 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 3: Series of technical glitches has disrupted global services at airlines, Banks, 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 3: and the London Stock Exchange after Microsoft reported and outage 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: across its online services. United Airlines, KLM and Delta are 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: among many airlines reporting issues and grounding their planes. Global 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 3: Aviation editor Benedict Camels says the entire world's airlines will 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: be affected by this backlog. 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, problem with this magnitude usually takes days to resolve 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 4: in terms of getting everything back to order. Now, don't 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 4: expect planes to come falling out of the sky. You 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 4: know it's not panic, but as a precaution, people will 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 4: be on the ground. You will see planes landing and 25 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 4: places they shouldn't be landing. I airports they shouldn't be landing, 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 4: not in the green field. And getting that system back 27 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: in you know, it's a very finely tuned operation that's 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 4: going to take a while. 29 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: As well as planes. 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 3: Camel notes that the issues have hit a range of sectors. 31 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: The LSS news wire is down, the Bank of Israel 32 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: says the outer just called disruptions to the banking system, 33 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: and sky News is off air. Several newspapers have also 34 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: reported some of the problems stem from crowdstrikes security software, 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: which points to the widespread nature of the disruption. A 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: spokesperson for Microsoft told Bloomberg that they're continuing to progress 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: on mitigation efforts for the affected Microsoft three six y 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: five apps and services, and you've seen in CrowdStrike shares 39 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: dropping twelve percent amid the reports of the outage. 40 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: And now. Donald Trump has delivered his keynote address at 41 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: the Republican National Convention as he accepted the party's nomination 42 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: for the presidency, in a speech that veered between calls 43 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: for unity and divisive rhetoric on a range of topics. 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: Trump began by describing his near death experience during last 45 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: Saturday's attempted assassination. 46 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 5: If I had not moved my head at that very 47 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 5: last instant, the assassin's bullet would have perfectly hit its mark, 48 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 5: and I would not be here tonight. 49 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 6: We would not be together. 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: After recounting the details of the attempt on his life, 51 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: Trump launched into a broad pitch for a second term 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: as president that started with a call for the country 53 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: to come together. 54 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 5: Despite such a heinous attack. We unite this evening more 55 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 5: determined than ever. I a more determined than ever, and 56 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 5: so are you, So is everybody abusing. Our resolve is unbroken, 57 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 5: and our purpose is unchanged to delivery government that serves 58 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 5: the American people better than ever before. 59 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: However, as the speech went on, Trump delivered an increasingly 60 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: meandering and grievance focused address with sweeping pledges to cut taxes, 61 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: bring down inflation and illegal immigration, and stop foreign wars. 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: But notably, he only directly addressed the current president once 63 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: by name. 64 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 5: What this administration? The damage that this administration has done? 65 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 5: And I say it often, if you took the ten 66 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 5: worst presidents in the history of the United States. 67 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: Think of it. The ten worst added them up. 68 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 5: They will not have done the damage that Biden has done. 69 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 5: I'm only going to use the term once Biden. I'm 70 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 5: not going to use the name anymore, just one time. 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 5: The damage that he's done to this country is unthinkable. 72 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 5: It's unthinkable. 73 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: At more than an hour and a half, Trump's was 74 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: the longest nomination acceptance speech by Republican or Democrats in 75 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: the modern era. It brings to a close a Republican 76 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: convention that has been buoyed by a steady stream of 77 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: polling showing Trump ahead of Biden on key issues. For 78 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: the November election. 79 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 3: Biden's facing increasingly public warnings to quit the presidential race 80 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 3: from top Democratic lawmakers and supporters. That's his aides insist 81 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: that the president is not wavering and remains dedicated to 82 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: running while he continues to isolate with COVID nineteen Blackstone 83 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: executive and billionaire Democrat donor John Gray says he hopes 84 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 3: Biden thinks about the demands of another term. 85 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 7: Well, the President is a good man, he has been 86 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 7: a wonderful public servant, and like Speaker Pelosi said, you 87 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 7: know he's gotten the vote in the Democratic primary. This 88 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 7: is his decision, but I would hope he considers the 89 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 7: really extreme physical toll of this business, of this job. 90 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 7: I should say, I'm going to wait and see what 91 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 7: happens here on the Democratic side. I am a Democrat, 92 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 7: but I'm going to let the process play out. 93 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: Black Stones, John Gray speaking there. Perhaps the harshest blow 94 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: to his campaign comes from former President Barack Obama. The 95 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: Washington Post reported that he told allies Biden needed to 96 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: seriously consider the viability of his campaign. According to a 97 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: Senate Age Democrat, senators in competitive races are on the 98 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: verge of calling on the president to step aside, and 99 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: the only questions are when and how to announce their position. 100 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: Now to France, lawmakers have re elected a centrist candidate 101 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: from Emmanuel Macrel's Renaissance party to lead the National Assembly. Yeah, 102 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: braun Preve reappointed could be a sign that the President's 103 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: coalition is best place to form a new government after 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: the parliament was dissolved last month. Braun Privet won the 105 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: vote by thirteen ballots, with support from centrists and center 106 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: right lawmakers outside of her own alliance. Her election isn't 107 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: directly related to the appointment of a prime minister, all 108 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: the formation of a new French government, but it could 109 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: give an indication of which coalitions are able to unite 110 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: behind a single candidate. 111 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: And finally, the Englishman Daniel Brown is the surprise clubhouse 112 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: leader going into the second round of the Open Championship Golf. 113 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: Round two is underway at Royal Troon, where he's still 114 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: six under para stroke clear of twenty nineteen winner Shane 115 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: Lowry and Brown will be back in action from eleven 116 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 3: am UK time today. Several big names haven't made such 117 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 3: good starts, though Roy McElroy's on seven Ovo was two 118 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: time PGA champion, bryceon De'shambeau and Tiger Woods among the. 119 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: Other players well off the pace. 120 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: And it is risk off partly because of this series 121 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: of technical glitches disrupting services at airlines, banks and the 122 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: London Stock Exchange, an unusually widespread cascade of failures that 123 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: have erupted from the US to Asia after Microsoft reported 124 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: an outage across its online services. And we can get 125 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: the latest now from our Asia tech editor Flood south Off, 126 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 3: who joins us from Hong Kong. 127 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,239 Speaker 2: Flood just give us some perspective here. 128 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 8: Well, We really don't know the exact extent of it. 129 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 8: It's very interesting because it is, like I say, very widespread, 130 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 8: but it isn't necessarily. 131 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 6: All that deep. We keep it is indeed a cascade. 132 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 8: We keep hearing updates from Poland, from Singapore, from Switzerland, 133 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 8: all saying that they're having to do things manually as 134 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 8: far as airlines go and chickens. Somebody posted a tweet 135 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 8: where they got their first handwritten boarding pass. But it 136 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 8: isn't actually grounding airlines and airports at the moment. It's 137 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 8: just leading to delays and disruptions more so than anything 138 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 8: catastrophic so far. 139 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: What do we understand about exactly what's gone wrong in 140 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: terms of the disruption to the cloud? What is it. 141 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 6: Right? 142 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 8: Well, initially what happened was late on Thursday night in 143 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 8: the US. This was the first grounding of flights. One 144 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 8: smaller airline in the US ground flights and they said 145 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 8: it was Microsoft's Asia cloud services were to blame for that. 146 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 8: What Microsoft said, We reached out to them, we spoke 147 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 8: with them. They said that they fixed what issues they 148 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 8: had with their cloud services in the US, But within 149 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 8: a couple of hours later we saw disruptions showing up 150 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 8: in Japan and Australia. Australian banks reported that they were 151 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 8: having issues, and it doesn't appear to have something to 152 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 8: do with Microsoft. It seems to be separate from the 153 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 8: US issues because at the moment, what we're seeing is 154 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 8: impacts across Asia and Europe, none across US services, but. 155 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 6: That may also change. 156 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 8: There is also the indication that CrowdStrike software has played 157 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 8: a part in all of this, so it may be 158 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 8: a mix of both Microsoft disruptions and CrowdStrike. 159 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 3: There's a quote on the Tea Live blog on the 160 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: technical outage, Vlood, very frustrated system technician on Reddit saying 161 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: the entire sum of everything that CrowdStrike might ever have 162 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: prevented is probably less than the damage they just caused. 163 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: If you could look at the market impact for US, 164 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: because also the Bank of Israel seems to have been affected. 165 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: How widespread is this going to be? 166 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 8: I mean, that's right, just before coming on for Radio 167 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 8: I saw a crass strike share price was down twelve percent, 168 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 8: and in my go further than that. One of the 169 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 8: things to bear in mind is that for airlines this 170 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 8: is their peak period. School term just ended in Germany, 171 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 8: a whole bunch of people are going off on holiday. 172 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 8: So if this does lead to flight cancelations and because 173 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 8: of these delays, you know they may accumulate on top 174 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 8: of each other and cause more disruption of travel. 175 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 6: Airlines are going to be affected. 176 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 8: We did also see some trade the end, thankfully, after 177 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 8: being weak for so long, goat improvement because people so 178 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 8: it's kind of a safe haven for investments. I suppose, 179 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 8: so market reaction is going to be I think it's 180 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 8: also going to develop as the story develops. 181 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 6: It is still unwindening for us. 182 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, it's ongoing. But Vlad, can you put our 183 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: minds at rest? Bad actors? Are any bad actors involved? 184 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: Is it an attack of any kind? 185 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 6: Right? Well, that's the one thing that was seeing zero 186 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 6: evidence of. 187 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 8: It does appear to be some sort of again, cascade 188 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 8: is probably the best term here. There was probably some 189 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 8: glitch with Microsoft which may have led to a glitter 190 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 8: with crash track, which in turn has led to a 191 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 8: whole bunch of other cascading effects. 192 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 6: But the thing that is worth folks know you here 193 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 6: is a lot of this stuff depends on the cloud. 194 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 8: It actually illustrates how dependent we are on these Internet 195 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 8: technologies and here I. 196 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 3: Thought we were cruising into the weekend current a last 197 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: not the drama continues, but of we thank you our 198 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: Asia Tech editor with the latest from Hong Kong. And 199 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 3: I have to recommend this Tea Life blog on the terminal. 200 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: It's covering every twist and turn of this technical outage, 201 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: from the disruption to the airlines, to the banks, to 202 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: the Central Banks and the London Stock Exchange. 203 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: So give it a read. Go to tliv on the terminal. 204 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: Now, Donald Trump delivered his first public address and surviving 205 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: a failed assassination attempt, he called for unity, tax cuts, 206 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: closing the US border, ditching what he called the Green 207 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: new scam, and ending foreign wars. All of this, of course, 208 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: when he accepted the nomination from his Republican party to 209 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: run as president. And it comes as the Democrats amred 210 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: in a debate about whether President Biden should quit the race. 211 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: If when, how joining us now to discuss his Bloomberg 212 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: anchor Critty, Good to good morning Critty. So this ninety 213 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: minute speech happened very late overnight for us in the UK. 214 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: Your impressions of the speech unifying or divisive? 215 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 9: A little above if we can, if we can say 216 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 9: that and I'll start with the unifying because look, he 217 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 9: was really compared in a lot of ways to the 218 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 9: speech you got out of GD Van's just twenty four 219 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 9: hours prior, which was a very tough on China, tough 220 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 9: on Mexico, tough on globalization kind of rhetoric that you saw, 221 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 9: which in theory sounds a lot like the Trump one 222 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 9: point zero that we knew, or there are the policies 223 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 9: in his first agenda. But remember, he is trying to 224 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 9: really prove not only to his party but to the 225 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 9: entire country that this is a man who wants to 226 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 9: be taken seriously, who is not going to be chaotic 227 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 9: in a second term than his first term, because that's 228 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 9: where he's losing voters, even within his own base. So 229 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 9: from a kind of unifying perspective, he's really trying to 230 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 9: simmer that down. Divisive perhaps though for a financial community, 231 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 9: because it's confusing to have a roadmap like this when 232 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 9: when you're trying to decide, well, what is President Trump 233 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 9: going to be tough on if he's re elected to 234 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 9: a second term, and this speech didn't give us much 235 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 9: insight on that. 236 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: And you talk about persuading people, if you look at 237 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: the poll gap. Is that a response to Trump winning 238 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: or Biden losing. 239 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 4: That's a good question. 240 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: This is a little bit of both. I think it's 241 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: more of a question of odds. 242 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 9: It doesn't seem like a reflection of necessarily which Canada 243 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 9: is more qualified. So I think I will lean with 244 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 9: the latter, Lizzie to your question in that this is 245 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 9: more of a concern of mental cuty and who can 246 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 9: actually do the job and present Biden in that debate 247 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 9: did did some serious damage and whatever, whoever the contender is, 248 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 9: it should Biden step down doesn't seem to be ensuring 249 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 9: much confidence in the continuity, and at least in President 250 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 9: Trump's case, there is an argument to be made from 251 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 9: independent voters specifically that with President Trump, we at least 252 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 9: have a sense and we know what we're getting, even 253 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 9: if the financial community may disagree with that. 254 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of what Trump laid out, I mean 255 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: it was kind of soaring incomes will skyrocket, inflation will vanish, 256 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: jobs will come rowing back. This is obviously typical kind 257 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: of Trump rhetoric. And yet the promises are so huge 258 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: and there wasn't much policy detail, and you have to 259 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: layer into that the idea that Trump was saying that 260 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: he is the defender of democracy, trying to kind of 261 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: ten that democratic argument that he is anti democratic. 262 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 9: He is, and remember these are he's really speaking to 263 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 9: the very concerns that voters have on him, which is 264 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 9: one from an economic perspective, that terrofs are going to 265 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 9: be inflationary. Inflation itself is such a buzzword at the moment, 266 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 9: such a kind of cringe word for people on both 267 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 9: sides of the Atlantic. Think about it. Right here in 268 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 9: the UK, how many people are looking at potential inflation 269 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 9: coming out the UK government kind of worried about it. 270 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 9: It's the same story in the States, if you say 271 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 9: inflation is kind of the kiss of death in terms 272 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 9: of rhetoric or perhaps a win. There's also concerns about 273 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 9: the deficit. There's concerns about that spending. President Trump is 274 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 9: trying to show he can address all of it, that 275 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 9: he can decline the deficit by introducing the tariffs, and 276 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 9: even if it is inflationary, or at least said to be, 277 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 9: is bringing back American jobs, it's bringing higher wages, it's 278 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 9: solving the public finance issue. So he's really trying to 279 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 9: spin it in that sort of way. And they're to 280 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 9: be fair, there are historical economics that do support that 281 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 9: argument from the nineteen hundreds and the eighteen hundreds as well, 282 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 9: which he's mentioned several times in several of his speeches. 283 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 9: In terms of kind of being the Democratic candidate, though, 284 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 9: this is again where he really has to prove to 285 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 9: even the conservatives within his base that he's not just 286 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 9: the MAGA candidate. So if jd Vance was the kind 287 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 9: of appeasing the MAGA side of the party, he still 288 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 9: has to appease the more kind of fiscally conservative sized 289 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 9: that was the Nicky Haleys base for example, or even 290 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 9: the religious conservatives which was Mike Pence's base, which was 291 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 9: his former VP. He still has to prove to some 292 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 9: of the folks within the Republican Party that he is 293 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 9: a man of reason. 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