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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to the Wednesday edition of The Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show. I'm just gonna start with

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Speaker 1: some good news today, players Trump sharing this one out.

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Speaker 1: S and P five hundred just hit seven thousand for

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Speaker 1: the first time ever. Y all Caps America is back.

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Speaker 1: So it's a good thing. Some of you might say, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't have stocks that I'm invested in, you have

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Speaker 1: a retirement account, you work for a company that has

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Speaker 1: public shares. I mean this actually is an indicator of

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Speaker 1: pretty broad sentiment, and at least in some sectors economic health.

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Speaker 1: Price is still too high. Yes, I know the prices

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Speaker 1: would be even worse. It's stock market was down twenty percent.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that as well, meaning you'd have

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Speaker 1: a much harder time affording the prices if the economy

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Speaker 1: was in a tailspin from a dropping market.

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Speaker 2: So it is good news. I like to start with

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Speaker 2: the good.

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Speaker 1: News, which is that we've got the first time ever

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Speaker 1: seven thousand on the S and P five hundred. We've

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Speaker 1: got the White House weighing in, and now other places,

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Speaker 1: as exactly promised to you on this show, other places

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Speaker 1: starting to get involved and see the early stages of

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Speaker 1: these anti ice operations, these sabotage operations. White House have

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Speaker 1: spoken about this one. We shall get into that. Also,

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Speaker 1: Trump talking pretty tough game about Iran, and we've got

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Speaker 1: some updates on that situation, plus Venezuela, so we will get.

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Speaker 3: Into all all of that.

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Speaker 1: We've also got some great guests joining today, Mark Halpern,

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Speaker 1: who's the editor in chief of two Way and he's

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Speaker 1: a host in his own right. You guys all, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure have seen his political analysis. What was his book play?

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Speaker 1: The most famous one that he did was he the

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Speaker 1: game Change? He was Game Change.

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Speaker 4: Really, I think I'm gonna make sure that that's correct

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Speaker 4: because I don't want him by the time we have

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Speaker 4: him on. We got to make sure we get that right.

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Speaker 4: But I believe that he was one of the co authors. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he was a co author with Hilman. Okay, yes, yes,

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Speaker 4: so that's right.

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Speaker 1: And then we've got two thirty Joe Lavorna, who is

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Speaker 1: a counselor to the Treasury Sector. Look, there's a big

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Speaker 1: summit going on to DC Klan. Now we are going

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Speaker 1: to be there, but there's some travel issues with you know,

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Speaker 1: the snow apocalypse that is hitting Clay. It's even getting

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Speaker 1: a little chili down here in South Florida. Some of

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Speaker 1: you will note I am wearing a sweatshirt, not just

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Speaker 1: because it is indeed Cozy Earth, one of our fabulous sponsors,

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Speaker 1: and it is the most comfortable sweatshirt imaginable, but because

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Speaker 1: it is a little chili here and it's gonna get chillier.

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Speaker 1: So I understand that places are going through a bit

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Speaker 1: of a deep freeze right now. It is dropping into

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Speaker 1: the sixties. It might even hit the fifties in South Florida.

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Speaker 3: It's rough.

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Speaker 4: I will say this, by the way, on the weather thing,

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Speaker 4: it is actually far worse than I realized in Nashville

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Speaker 4: all the way down to Mississippi.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen the footage.

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Speaker 4: Buck they basically have shut down several interstates and they

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Speaker 4: are impassable in Mississippi right now. And last night I

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Speaker 4: went to the Kentucky Vanderbilt basketball game. Vanderbilt University is

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Speaker 4: shut down, which never happens, and I was blown away

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Speaker 4: by how awful. This was the first time I've left

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Speaker 4: by how awful the roads are and how significant the

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Speaker 4: damage is from this winter storm. That came through the

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Speaker 4: ice in particular, So Nashville is hammered all the way

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Speaker 4: I would say, Buck where it is utterly devastating in

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Speaker 4: terms of the number of people without power, the number

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Speaker 4: thinking about all you guys out there that are from

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Speaker 4: awful scenario. And yes, Buck pointed out, we were going

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Speaker 4: to be in Washington, d C. With the President and

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Speaker 4: with the Treasury Secretary today at these Trumpet account announcements,

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Speaker 4: to have we'll talk about what was going to happen there.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll be up in DC again soon. But

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Speaker 4: that is taking place right now, and Marco Rubio is

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Speaker 4: testifying under oath on Capitol Hill about Venezuela, Cuba, Iran

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Speaker 4: and everything else he's dealing with as Secretary of State.

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Speaker 1: Now let's take things back into the center of the

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Speaker 1: political storm, and that is the situation in Minneapolis Ice.

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Speaker 1: What's going on there. And our friend Will Caine, who

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Speaker 1: what's happened now is there's been a switch up in

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Speaker 1: some of the personnel. Tom Holman has been sent to Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: and Christine Nome is coming under a lot of criticism,

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. As I said, she said the

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Speaker 1: wrong stuff after the shooting of pretty So that was

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Speaker 1: not a good it was not a good moment in messaging.

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Speaker 1: She just she messed that up. President still says he

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Speaker 1: get into more of that for now. I'll just say

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Speaker 1: Tom Holman, I think, is the guy who should have

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Speaker 1: anybody would think otherwise. But here we are. Uh so

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Speaker 1: Tom is going there, and here is Trump speaking specifically

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Speaker 5: The message is out that Tom Homan is in, Commander

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Speaker 5: Bovino is supposedly leaving Minneapolis along with some CBP agents.

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Speaker 5: Is this a pullback.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's a pullback. It's a little bit

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Speaker 6: of a change. Everybody in this room that has a business.

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Speaker 6: You know, you make little changes.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: Bavino's very good, but he's a pretty out there kind

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Speaker 6: it wasn't good here, But you have to understand one.

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Speaker 6: I watched some of the people that I've been watching

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Speaker 6: over the last few weeks. These are paid insurrectionists. These

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Speaker 6: are paid agitators. These people aren't normal like og that

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Speaker 6: you know, they're incensed about anything. How do you get

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Speaker 6: incensed when you go into a state and you're taking

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Speaker 1: Now, Clay, I am still I am still hopeful, and

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Speaker 1: I think it is probably the case that this is

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Speaker 1: a shift in tactics, but not an abandonment of enforcement.

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Speaker 3: But I will get.

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Speaker 1: Into what we're already seeing. And I've been saying this

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Speaker 1: ever since this incident happened. You're seeing more noise in

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Speaker 1: You're seeing other places like Philadelphia, they're da threatening to

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Speaker 3: What do you see? That's the concern.

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Speaker 4: And I you know this, but I think think everybody

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Speaker 4: out there is becoming aware if resistance works in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 4: then they will copy it everywhere else. And the ultimate

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Speaker 4: challenge that we're going to get into here, and it

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Speaker 4: is a challenge of wills to a large extent, is

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Speaker 4: it's very easy to start, as the Trump administration did,

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Speaker 4: who have broken our law. It's a no brainer that

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Speaker 4: they should be out of the country. But at some point,

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Speaker 4: if there are twenty million illegals, there are not twenty

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Speaker 4: are not necessarily violent criminals, and that becomes a political

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Speaker 4: challenge now, I think buck in general, the number of

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Speaker 4: that we've turned a page at least a little bit

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Speaker 4: on that. And the data reflects that as many people

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Speaker 4: millions more that are voluntarily leaving because they're recognizing that

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Speaker 4: better relative to what they have here. The challenge is,

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Speaker 4: I think Democrats are playing the long game here, and

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Speaker 3: What we told you.

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Speaker 4: Once you let the twenty million in, it becomes almost

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Speaker 3: You would take sustained.

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Speaker 4: Multi numbers of presidential Republicans to this for years and

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Speaker 2: There is some precedent for this.

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Speaker 1: The Eisenhower administration got over a million illegals deported back

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Speaker 1: in forget what year of Eisenhower's term, but you're going

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Speaker 1: that occurred. Then there's also clay, the self deportations that occurs.

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Speaker 1: A big part of this needs to become a workplace

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Speaker 1: enforcement too, which that's then you get all of a sudden,

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Speaker 7: Know, we don't want to punish the job creators, like well,

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Speaker 7: you are if you're employing a large number of illegals

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Speaker 1: Welfare and social services provided by the taxpayer. And also,

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Speaker 1: there is something about being American and American ness that

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Speaker 1: There is a principle at work here, but you need

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Speaker 1: to do workplace enforcement. Trump also that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: about this or your talkbacks on how this seems to

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Speaker 1: be detracting or distracting from the fraud in Minneapolis. Trump

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Speaker 1: is saying, I promise you we're still on that. If

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Speaker 1: this is the game they're playing at some level, it's

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Speaker 1: not going to work. This is from that Will Caine

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Speaker 8: It.

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Speaker 5: This whole Minnesota thing, it started because of a focus

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Speaker 5: on fraud. It started because of illegal immigration and welfare fraud.

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Speaker 3: The question is.

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Speaker 5: Will there be accountability in Minnesota and beyond other states Californa.

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Speaker 6: Minnesota is one state if you look at California, but

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Speaker 6: so in Minnesota they think it's nineteen billion dollars, if

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Speaker 6: they think it's nineteen billion, triple it or quadruplein. And

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Speaker 6: if we catch a lot of this fraud and I

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Speaker 6: felt it for a long time, but now we know

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Speaker 6: what's happening and the entries, yet there will be accountability.

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Speaker 1: Clay, there will be accountability. I hope that is in

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Speaker 1: fact the case.

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Speaker 4: The best tweet I've seen on this is, have you

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Speaker 4: heard anybody complaining that their kids have lost childcare since

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Speaker 4: the money was frozen for Minneapolis childcare? I mean, all

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Speaker 4: of you out there that are parents and have your

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Speaker 4: huge percentage of people that listen to us on a

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Speaker 4: regular basis. If your childcare was interrupted, it would be

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Speaker 4: a major issue. Isn't it really interesting that none of

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Speaker 4: these Somali parents have been up in arms over the

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Speaker 4: fact that their kids They're not able to get their

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Speaker 4: kids into childcare and these subsidies are not working for them.

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Speaker 4: It shows you how much fraud was going on. These

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Speaker 4: people were never in role in schools. They were all

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Speaker 4: getting kickbacks. They created one of the largest frauds related

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Speaker 1: So what they did do is let's just make him

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Speaker 1: on their side and ascended. And I worry that this

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Speaker 1: is going to result and not just a tactical change,

437
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Speaker 1: but a pullback. And I can already point to other

438
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Speaker 1: places where they're lining up to be the next Minneapolis,

439
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Speaker 1: no doubt.

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Speaker 4: And again, the fallout from this shooting, We'll see what

441
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Speaker 4: ends up happening, but I think more and more is

442
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Speaker 4: going to look like these guys are imperiled in terms

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Speaker 4: of potential charges being brought against them. It doesn't change, however,

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Speaker 4: the fact that what you just said is very true.

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Speaker 3: This is the goal of protest.

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Speaker 4: They said in July that the way to draw attention

447
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Speaker 4: to the Ice protest, the way to help to diminish

448
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Speaker 4: the power of Ice and the deportations, was to get

449
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Speaker 4: people shot. And they got two people shot in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 4: And the truth of the matter is that that changes

451
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Speaker 4: the narrative from their perspective. So this isn't an accident

452
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Speaker 4: of the protest. This is what was intended to occur,

453
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Speaker 4: and when it does happen, they want to celebrate it happening,

454
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Speaker 4: and it's unfortunate that they would basically be tossing these

455
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Speaker 4: guys out there as sacrificial lambs. But again, Buck, we

456
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Speaker 4: talked about this yesterday, and I think it's very significant.

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Speaker 4: This guy was tackled and had a broken rib trying

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Speaker 4: to obstruct an ICE, an ICE arrest just a few

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Speaker 4: days before this year.

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Speaker 3: He's a loon.

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Speaker 1: The guy's a loon. Okay, I'm sorry he's dead. He

462
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Speaker 1: didn't deserve to die. It is a tragedy. I do

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Speaker 1: feel sorry for his family. But the guy was alone.

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Speaker 1: He had become deranged, because people like Tim Waltz are

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Speaker 1: saying that it's like and Frank hiding from the Gestapo.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and then he went back to obstruct ANEW with

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Speaker 4: a loaded weapon. So to me, the logic here is

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Speaker 4: he did make a decision that he might have to

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Speaker 4: use a loaded weapon. Presumably he didn't have a loaded

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Speaker 4: weapon when he got tackled and got the broken rib

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Speaker 4: the first time. So this was the decision he made

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Speaker 4: that he might have to get engaged agent in an

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Speaker 4: act of violence. And if if if you knew you

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Speaker 4: had a weapon, let's pretend you knew you had a weapon.

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Speaker 4: Would you decide to obstruct ICE agents who were making

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Speaker 4: an arrest and get involved in any way knowing the

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Speaker 4: fraud circumstances of these relationships, if you were operating of

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Speaker 4: sound mind, would you think, Hey, you know what I

479
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Speaker 4: need to get in an altercation that I intentionally create

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Speaker 4: with ICE agents knowing that I have.

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Speaker 3: A weapon on me right now?

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Speaker 4: Would anybody out there think that that was a smart

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Speaker 4: decision to make? This guy intentionally put himself in a

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Speaker 4: dangerous situation and unfortunately is dead because of a series

485
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Speaker 4: of choices that he made, like you said, Buck, that

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Speaker 4: were motivated by may Or Fry and Tim Walls's encouragement

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Speaker 4: that the idea that these guys are heroes for the behavior.

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Speaker 1: I've got to say this to some of the some

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Speaker 1: of the two A organizations out there who are all like,

490
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Speaker 1: but you're allowed to bring a gun to a protest.

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Speaker 1: We can all look up the law here, but let

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Speaker 1: me tell you what's happening right now. Gavin Newsom is

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Speaker 1: giving speeches about how outraged she is because this is

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Speaker 1: about the First and the Second Amendment. Gavin Newsom is

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Speaker 1: citing the Second Amendment now in the pretty case, Gavin Newsom,

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Speaker 1: who just banned blocks from his state, basically, who has

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Speaker 1: tried to ban all kinds of assault rifles. He's increased

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Speaker 1: the prices on all these different processes. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: has done everything he can to ban the Second Amendment

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Speaker 1: in his state, but all of a sudden, he's, Oh,

501
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Speaker 1: you gotta be able to bring a gun to a protest.

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Speaker 1: Don't be used by the other side. Okay, when people

503
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Speaker 1: like me are telling you that you are being used.

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Speaker 1: If you're standing alongside Gavin neusim like you're allowed to

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Speaker 1: bring a gun to a protest, it's not a protest.

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Speaker 1: It's a sabotage operation. It's confronting police. It's a dumb

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Speaker 1: thing to do. As I said, it is currently the.

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Speaker 3: Law on Florida.

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Speaker 1: Clay, I could walk across street to my grocery store

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Speaker 1: right now, wearing the mask from the movie screen with

511
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Speaker 1: an AR fifteen with a silencer on it. I could

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Speaker 1: do that legally. Legally. Now, I probably couldn't go into

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Speaker 1: the grocery store, but I could be outside walking in

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Speaker 1: the street.

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Speaker 2: That would be an incredibly stupid and disruptive thing to do. Okay.

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Speaker 1: People would think that I was a maniac and they'd

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Speaker 1: be right to think that, even though the laws on

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Speaker 1: my side, even though legally I wouldn't be doing I

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Speaker 1: mean people might say, oh, but they can get you

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Speaker 1: for menacing or disturbing the peace or something, but in

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Speaker 1: terms of the gun stuff, it's allowed. My point is

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Speaker 1: this guy was alone. What he did was dumb. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean he deserved to die. But we are allowed to

524
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Speaker 1: talk about the full context of this situation, and also

525
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Speaker 1: to bring in two magazines.

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Speaker 2: I might add.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I can steal carry sometimes my

528
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Speaker 1: older brother points out. He's like, why not all the time,

529
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Speaker 1: because my older brother can steal carries all the time.

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Speaker 1: So he's the real deal. I'm like, you know, walking

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Speaker 1: his dog, he's got a gun on him at all times.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he had a gun on the Pomeranian case,

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Speaker 1: which we would carry around to a pomeranian. By the way,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't expect the guy with a pomeranian to be strapped,

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Speaker 1: and he was really strapped. Let me tell you twenty

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Speaker 1: four to seven. Okay, So, but so he's a CCW

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Speaker 1: guy through and through. But I mean extra magazines. I mean,

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Speaker 1: are you in Fallujah? I mean, what do you think

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Speaker 1: this is? I mean to think about what this This

540
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Speaker 1: guy is dressed like he's going into battle. He's not

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Speaker 1: dressed like somebody who's trying to be able to defend himself.

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Speaker 1: Should the need arise and why would you need to

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Speaker 1: defend yourself if you're going to a place that's full.

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Speaker 3: Of law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's a reason why you're not allowed to carry

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Speaker 1: if you go into like a courthouse, because guess what

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Speaker 1: the assumption is that the state's gonna keep you safe

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Speaker 1: in there, And if you're going in there with a gun, you're.

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Speaker 2: Doing bad things.

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Speaker 1: So I just I'm frustrated to see some of the

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Speaker 1: two A people fall into this trap of just like

552
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Speaker 1: standing along. Yeah, I understand what the law says. It

553
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's smart. It also can mean that people

554
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Speaker 1: are being used in this process. We'll take some of

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Speaker 1: your calls. I'll take all the heat on that one.

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Speaker 1: By the way you said about I'm telling you people, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think anybody out there who's really rational is arguing

558
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Speaker 4: against this. Look, there is a difference between what you

559
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Speaker 4: can legally do. I like your analogy. The screen mask

560
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Speaker 4: with an AK go to publics seems like a poor choice. Right,

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Speaker 4: There's a difference between what you can legally do and

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Speaker 4: what you should do in a common sense basis right.

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Speaker 4: And I think most people out there get it because

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Speaker 4: gun owners, by and large, I think, are super individually

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Speaker 4: responsible and understand the larger context of these choices. And

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Speaker 4: I think again, this guy getting tackled, getting a broken

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Speaker 4: rib and deciding that he needed to be armed, he

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Speaker 4: thought that he was going to need to get into

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Speaker 4: a gun battle. We won't know for sure because he's passed,

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Speaker 4: but I think the evidence of what he chose to

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Speaker 4: do suggests that he thought he was going and might

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Speaker 4: need to get into a gun battle with Ice agents

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Speaker 4: because he thought that he was a hero. Because of

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Speaker 4: the moronic aches from Tim Walls and Jacob Fry.

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Speaker 4: this at the top of the next hour.

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Speaker 3: Buck, But I watched this video.

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Speaker 1: Can I give you to only as I see it.

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Speaker 1: I'm assessing the situation first of all, just in case

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Speaker 1: they're gonna clip this not you know what I love.

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Speaker 2: Nobody gives a you.

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Speaker 3: Know what about media matters anymore.

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Speaker 1: Those even site still exists bottom dwelling scumbags. Honestly, there

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Speaker 1: is no There is no job I would rather be.

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Speaker 2: I mean what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's honorable thing to sweep out

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Speaker 1: the elephant cages at the zoo. I would do anything

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Speaker 1: before working. I think it'd be anything lawful before working

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Speaker 1: at media matters for a job. But I was gonna

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Speaker 1: say before yet, it's bad. Don't squirt things at politicians.

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Speaker 1: We never advocate that, don't assault people. We never advocate

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Speaker 1: that bad thing to do bad, bad, naughty, naughty. We

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Speaker 1: disagree with with what happened here. Now, having said that,

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Speaker 1: I love that. Having said that, pivot, Having said that,

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Speaker 1: I see two two options here. This guy's either so

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Speaker 1: crazy that there's no you know, you're gonna find out

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Speaker 1: that he, you know, speaks to pink elephants in the

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Speaker 1: sky in his spare time basically, and you know it

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Speaker 1: like lives in his mom's basement, the whole thing. And

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Speaker 1: in that case, you just got to whack whack a dude, yes,

646
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Speaker 1: or be in an insane asylum, right, or somebody on

647
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Speaker 1: the on the team who wanted to make ilhan Omar

648
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Speaker 1: look like she's under threat just like all these Republicans

649
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Speaker 1: are those are the only options.

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Speaker 3: As I see it, I'm open to being proven wrong.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna find out this guy was like leading

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Speaker 1: you know, the major tea party organization for the last

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Speaker 1: decade or something.

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Speaker 3: What's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you go into the guy's logic, you

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Speaker 4: make an apple cider vinegar mix, and you go to

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Speaker 4: a public event, you sit on the front row, and

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Speaker 4: you decide that you're gonna throw the apple cider vinegar

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Speaker 4: mix on her. Like, it doesn't to your point, this doesn't.

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Speaker 3: It just ruins your life. It just ruins your life.

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Speaker 1: It does nothing correct, turns her into into a hero

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Speaker 1: now as well?

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Speaker 3: That's it correct.

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Speaker 4: And it's also like it's nonsensical. There's no message being sent.

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Speaker 4: Like look, I think all those people who believe in

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Speaker 4: climate change and go try to wreck artwork or glue

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Speaker 4: themselves to basketball courts or whatever else, like, I think

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Speaker 4: they're more but their action actually impacts things in a

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Speaker 4: substantial way. What did this guy actually achieve? I think

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Speaker 4: it's interesting to talk about when we come back Trump

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Speaker 4: accounts in the news. Steve Kerr, I don't know Buck

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Speaker 4: has seen this Golden State Warriors coach last night, did

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Speaker 4: his press conference weight in, I want to play you

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Speaker 4: this cut because I do think it's significant and team

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Speaker 4: if we could grab Steve Kerr also saying that misinformation

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Speaker 4: is a huge issue in the country.

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Speaker 1: Because I just want to weigh in on this play.

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Speaker 1: Steve Kerr is no Pat summer All. Okay, I can

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Speaker 1: tell you.

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Speaker 4: Buck and I did an interview with Mark Halpern, who

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Speaker 4: will join us in the second hour of this program,

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Speaker 4: and Buck was asked a very challenging question, what did

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Speaker 4: he think about Madden and Summer All. If you have

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Speaker 4: a clue who Madden in Summer All are, then you

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Speaker 4: have a different take than Buck did. We'll have some

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Speaker 4: fun with that hour number two next