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Speaker 1: and I am Mala Mios. Loca to Radio is your

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Speaker 1: Friema's favorite podcast hosted by us Mala and Theosa. We're

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Speaker 1: Las Mammy, Submit and Bullshit, A Next Store and Lasses.

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Speaker 1: We've been podcasting independently since twenty sixteen, and we're bringing

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Speaker 1: our radiophonic novela to the Micikura network to continue sharing

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Speaker 1: stories from the LATINXT community. Welcome to Locatra Radio season seven.

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Speaker 1: Take us to your network. Oh no, La locamore is

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another radio. I'm Diosa and I'm Mala.

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Speaker 1: You're tuning into fifty nine. Last time on Loca Radio,

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Speaker 1: we interviewed comedian Marcella Arguyo about her brand new Hbomax

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Speaker 1: radio dot com, subscribe to our newsletter Bessitos. Today on

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Speaker 1: Look Radio, we're joined by Puerto Rican singer Ele. She

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Speaker 1: everything that she's been up to. We've actually interviewed Ela

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Speaker 1: once before, a few episodes back on the Patreon on

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Speaker 1: the Patreon, so it's good to have around the main feed. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, we are so excited to have the

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Speaker 1: one and only Ela in the studio with us today. BNA, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Who are you good? We're so good. We're so happy

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Speaker 1: to see you, to meet you. Yeah. Yeah, we interviewed

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Speaker 1: so it's nice to meet you in person. We're here

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Speaker 1: I love that, And you know, I want we want

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Speaker 1: Argo Bonito featuring Evie Queen. So tell us more about

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Speaker 1: working on this song. Working with Evie, it's such a

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Speaker 1: and what it means. Nacarile is an expression that we

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Speaker 1: Where can our listeners follow you, support your music and

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Speaker 1: just keep up with everything that you're doing well? In Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anymore. Social Yes, stream Nakarile It's so

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Speaker 1: good and support check out of Eli's coming to a

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