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Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 2: Last week we had a couple of segments where I

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Speaker 2: asked a question, if you ended up in jail, how'd

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Speaker 2: you end up there? What befell you? What stupid thing

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Speaker 2: did you do? What ill advised? What drug or alcohol

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Speaker 2: induced courage did you have? What bad decision did you make?

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Speaker 2: What miscalculation did you suffer? And after the segment and

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Speaker 2: after the show, I got an email from a fellow

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Speaker 2: who wrote, I only listened to the podcast, so I

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Speaker 2: heard the jailbird stuff a little late to the dance.

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Speaker 2: If you want the details, please ring me up. Should

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Speaker 2: tell you that the subject line was high I shot somebody.

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Speaker 2: So his name is Andrew McNulty. And there was a

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Speaker 2: link to a story headline from KGW eight. Suspect in

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Speaker 2: Northeast Fremont Street shooting appears in court charged with attempted murder.

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Speaker 2: Officer said the suspect, Andrew McNaulty fifty eight, shot the

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Speaker 2: victim in the chest and leg last Friday afternoon. Andrew

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Speaker 2: MacNulty is our guest. Welcome to the program, sir, Hello Michael,

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Speaker 2: how are you. I'm good so you don't sound how

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Speaker 2: old are you? Sixty? Now?

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Speaker 1: Sixty?

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Speaker 2: One sixty one. You sound like you're about thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, first of all, set the stage. Where was this.

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Speaker 1: It was in my neighborhood, about ten minutes north of

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Speaker 1: it's south to where I lived. And I was aut

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Speaker 1: for a walk middle of June two years ago, a

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Speaker 1: great day. It was just kind of oblivious, and this

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Speaker 1: guy appears out of no and he's a schizophrenic, homeless

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Speaker 1: dude on crack and meth and he hates white people

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Speaker 1: and he was threatening to kill to kill white people

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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood for months. I had no idea about

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Speaker 1: this though.

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Speaker 2: Are you white?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm totally white too.

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Speaker 2: It went all over I guess that.

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Speaker 1: Listen, a little spot. I got a redneck. But that's

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Speaker 1: that's one other thing.

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Speaker 2: And so and what is what is he?

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Speaker 1: He's a schizophrenic on drugs and he's really violent.

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Speaker 2: What skin color?

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Speaker 1: Oh, he's black? Sorry about that? Okay?

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Speaker 2: What's his height?

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Speaker 1: Weight? I only got a glimpse of him for about

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Speaker 1: three seconds. He's got my height five ten more muscular,

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Speaker 1: maybe about two hundred, and you're five ten five, maybe

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Speaker 1: one seventy five these days. Okay? All right?

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Speaker 2: And so you're out for a walk. Do you have

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Speaker 2: headsets in or are you in any way distracted? Are

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Speaker 2: you walking and looking at your phone? What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Probably looking at the phone. But it was such a

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Speaker 1: beautiful day that was just totally oblivious. You know what

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Speaker 1: summers are like in Portland. It's really nice.

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Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, that's the time to be in Portland.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: It then there's no sun for you know, the entirety

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Speaker 2: of the winter.

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Speaker 1: But for if I gad dogs dogs nose is dark,

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Speaker 1: wet and cooled.

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Speaker 2: Right right now? You're by yourself? Yeah, and this is

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Speaker 2: what time.

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Speaker 1: Of day five fifteen in the afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I read a little bit of the story somebody

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Speaker 2: a guy was walking his daughter and a stroller, and

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Speaker 2: I guess the guy appeared to be approaching you as

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Speaker 2: if he was going to ask something. So once you

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Speaker 2: recognize that this guy's coming into your space and making

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Speaker 2: a beeline to you, what happens from there?

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Speaker 1: Didn't actually see him make a bee line to me.

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Speaker 1: That's I heard that report later too, But I did

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Speaker 1: see the video afterwards. There's a restaurant that don't all

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Speaker 1: happen right in front of they were closed, but the

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Speaker 1: video cameras are really good quality. It shows this guy

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Speaker 1: really pissed off and throwing his bag down on the

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Speaker 1: picnic table in front of the restaurant, and he sheds

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Speaker 1: one of his shirts and throws that down and then

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Speaker 1: he bows up like he wants to tear my head off.

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Speaker 1: And I just looked up at that point and I go, oh,

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Speaker 1: something's bad, something bad's gonna happen right here. And what happened?

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Speaker 1: He said I'm going to kill you. The first he

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Speaker 1: was like snarling with his eyes bugged out. I guess

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Speaker 1: cracking met will do that to you. Then he changes

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Speaker 1: to looking like Jack Nicholson coming through the door in

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Speaker 1: the shining with the axe. So the grimace is there

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Speaker 1: and my eyes just zooming on his face. And that's

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Speaker 1: the worst thing I could have done, because this guy's

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Speaker 1: a little tic. Anyway, he says I'm going to kill you,

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Speaker 1: and I just drew shot him.

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Speaker 2: How close was he to you when you shot him?

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought he was like twenty feet away, because

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Speaker 1: my tunnel vision turns out he was about four or

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Speaker 1: five feet.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold with me, just one. This is Sevester Turner,

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Speaker 2: the mayor, and a human being. Bi La Michael Bettyshaw.

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Speaker 2: found women to be much more receptive than men. I

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Speaker 2: think it's a machismo thing. Men think that you want

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Speaker 2: to kill somebody, but I assure you don't want to

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Speaker 2: kill somebody if you can help it. You want to

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Speaker 2: stop the threat, like this threat that Andrew mc nultius

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Speaker 2: talking about here. I found out during the break that

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Speaker 2: there was an officer involved shooting this morning. The suspect

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Speaker 2: has been arrested multiple times. The suspect fired ten rounds

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Speaker 2: at the officers before they returned fire, and they hit

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Speaker 2: him twice. Not clear yet what his status is or

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Speaker 2: if any officers were transported. Apparently not is the first

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Speaker 2: report I got. One of the officers had only been

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Speaker 2: on the streets for four days. Welcome to policing, son,

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Speaker 2: How about that callback to your wife? Or your mom. Hey, mom,

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Speaker 2: how's it going. How's it being a police? Ah? It's fine.

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Speaker 2: Just be careful out there, baby, it's dangerous. I know

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Speaker 2: you're going to say it's not, but oh I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to say that anymore. I got shot at today

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Speaker 2: hardened criminal. Andrew McNulty is our guest. He was a

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Speaker 2: listener who emailed in and in Portland. A guy charged

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Speaker 2: him and you shot him from four feet away with

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Speaker 2: what what were you.

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Speaker 1: Carrying at a little clock? Three fifty seven sig? Thirty

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Speaker 1: three glock? What thirty three? Three fifty seven sig? Okay?

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Speaker 2: And okay, hold on, I'm having audio problems. This is

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Speaker 2: not your fault. I'm hearing you say a sig and

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing you say a glock.

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Speaker 1: What are you saying it's a glock? Three fifty seven sig? Oh? Sick?

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm not familiar with that terminology. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: know glock's long trigger pull. So where did you have

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Speaker 2: the gun secreted?

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Speaker 1: It's on my left hip. I'm right handed, okay, so

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Speaker 1: cross straw okay.

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Speaker 2: And he couldn't see that you weren't open carrying.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it's Portland. I would jumped.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I figured, I'm just I'm trying to figure

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Speaker 1: Here, all right, So sorry, sorry.

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Speaker 2: You've got it talked to? What in your waistband?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually my gut's a little bit too big

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Speaker 1: the side outside of my belt, okay, on my hip.

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Speaker 2: And as he starts charging, you reach across and draw

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Speaker 2: and pull out and are you just is it up

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Speaker 2: against your belly? Had described for me the shot.

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Speaker 1: Put my hand on my waist and so there's nothing

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Speaker 1: as charging at me, he disappeared had tunnel vision at

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Speaker 1: the time, so I assumed he was charging. The video

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Speaker 1: just shows him moving and I drew really quickly, so

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Speaker 1: it all happened within about three seconds. But things get

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Speaker 1: really weird when somebody tries to well they said they're

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Speaker 1: going to murder you, and then they move.

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Speaker 2: Sure. Well, you know, I've heard all sorts of different

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Speaker 2: numbers as to how fast someone is moving in the

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Speaker 2: distance they are away. But we're never as quick to

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Speaker 2: get to our weapon, aim and fire, or get to

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Speaker 2: our weapon and fire as we think. And people close

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Speaker 2: ground a lot faster than they think.

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Speaker 1: So you're just reacting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so and so did that drop him?

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Speaker 1: He kept going and I don't even remember the second shot,

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Speaker 1: but I got him in the hand that time. According

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Speaker 1: to his father, he had got him four inches below

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Speaker 1: the heart with the first shot. But he was running.

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Speaker 1: He ran a little bit, maybe twenty twenty five feet

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Speaker 2: Really, So you fired two rounds? Yeah, So he stopped

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Speaker 2: charging and at that point staggers away twenty year twenty

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Speaker 2: five feet and then drops.

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Speaker 1: And what do you do? Then try to get my

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Speaker 1: head together. I put my gun away because I figure,

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Speaker 1: you're in Portland, Oregon. You're gonna freak people out. And

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Speaker 1: I walked a little bit further in the direction I

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Speaker 1: a couple of people out in front of a restaurant

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Speaker 1: and I asked them to call the police, and Beefs

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Speaker 1: showed up. I flagged him down and had about seven

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Speaker 2: And so they booked you. They cuffed you, stuffed you,

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Speaker 2: took you down, and booked you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you're arrested on a Friday at five thirty,

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Speaker 1: you're not getting out until Monday at five thirty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So then what happened?

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Speaker 1: Judge less me out says you got to put away

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Speaker 1: all of your gun and AMMO and reports of the

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Speaker 1: beach trial. Pearl person. I'm not sure about the terms

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Speaker 1: because I don't get arrested usually, and they set me

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Speaker 1: up and a friends said, look, I heard about what

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Speaker 1: happened to you. You called my lawyers and I just

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Speaker 1: let the ball in their hands because I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the hellme doing? What do you do the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, I'm retired if I have been for

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Speaker 1: about fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And so then are you arraigned? Are you indicted?

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Speaker 1: What happens? Yeah? I went to before they let me out,

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Speaker 1: the judge told me, you know, reports of the pro

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Speaker 1: pro person. And after about three or four weeks, my

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Speaker 1: lawyers said, let's go to court. We're gonna plead, just

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Speaker 1: don't say anything, let me do the talking, which was fine,

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Speaker 1: and dude's father showed up and he called me a racist.

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Speaker 1: So it's stunk because I couldn't open my mouth and

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Speaker 1: say anything about it, which kind of pissed me off. Frankly. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it dragged out for

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Speaker 1: about two years, and my homeowners insurance company paid this

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Speaker 1: dude three hundred thousand dollars. I had to pay him

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Speaker 1: two and a quarter about two hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and I spent about one hundred and thirteen

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Speaker 1: thousand and legal fees. So I think it may be

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Speaker 1: the burner would have been a good deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think wow, that is uh, that is disturbing.

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Speaker 2: It's thank you, Andrew. I'm glad this is over and

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Speaker 2: you've been able to move beyond it. Every single American

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Speaker 2: in the course of our lives is going to come

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Speaker 2: in contact with some nonsense like this, and it is

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Speaker 2: It's frustrating because you don't ask for it. It lands

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