WEBVTT - Delay the Election?  Lanhee Chen Talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Jetty shows the net effect of went

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<v Speaker 1>and tweeted this morning and what we're talking about now

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<v Speaker 1>to cast doubt on the results of the It's had

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting impact. I didn't know it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the impact it had. What people are now looking

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<v Speaker 1>at is am I right but not me? Are all

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<v Speaker 1>these stories right about the fact that these elections will

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<v Speaker 1>be fraudulent, they'll be fixed, they'll be rigged. And everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>looking at it, and a lot of people are saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that probably will happen. That's hilarious. Um So

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<v Speaker 1>Trump tweeted yesterday that you know, maybe we should delay

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<v Speaker 1>the election, and everybody went crazy, and he said, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think it would have that sort of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of reaction. I it surprises me. I love him jerking

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<v Speaker 1>people around. I mean, I get a kick out of

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<v Speaker 1>that on on many different levels, but pretend outrage and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of it. I often wonder what he's hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to accomplish. We're joined by Lani Chen David and Nyanne

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<v Speaker 1>Stephie fellow in American Public Policy Studies of the Hoover Institution,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lani, much as I deal with my backyard, let's

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<v Speaker 1>clean up the dong first, and then we'll get onto

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<v Speaker 1>the more edifying stuff. That's the worst transition I've ever heard,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so. Uh. The idea that Trump would delay

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<v Speaker 1>the election, how likely? Oh god? Uh looks zero likely,

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<v Speaker 1>zero likelihood that he can do it. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>zero likelihood that he would ever uh you know, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever be able to get away with it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>on this one, the constitution and US law are pretty clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Now one more and it's even more ridiculous, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's zero likely he would try so and he knew,

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<v Speaker 1>how so even more ridiculous if Trump were to declare

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<v Speaker 1>after the election, which in this scenario he lost, I

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<v Speaker 1>am not leaving, as has been suggested in the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times, the Washington Morning. Joe talks about it all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, all the alphabet that in serious tones. As

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<v Speaker 1>a man of great experience and knowledge. If a president

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<v Speaker 1>were to declare that, what would happen on inauguration day? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, he would find himself locked out

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<v Speaker 1>of the White House. I mean, that's just not it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's again. The Constitution here is very clear. US law

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<v Speaker 1>is very clear, the president's term ends on a certain date,

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<v Speaker 1>and if he has not been re elected, he is

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<v Speaker 1>no longer the president by noon on January. You're a

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<v Speaker 1>private citizen. You don't live here anymore. A trespasser need

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<v Speaker 1>be removed, right, I mean it would be like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's like the guy who finds himself kicked out

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<v Speaker 1>of his house. I mean, it's this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what would happen. So, you know, I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of conversation about stuff Trump says, and

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of things I really wish he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say, and I don't I don't think are particularly helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, he is sort of, as you guys

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<v Speaker 1>alluded to, he's sort of the ultimate troll in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways, right, I mean, he sort of gets

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<v Speaker 1>people to respond to things, uh, and then it gets

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<v Speaker 1>people spun up. And and that's exactly what he's hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to do. He's hoping to take you know, people take

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes off the ball and take their eyes off

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<v Speaker 1>of what really matters. Would it be a good idea

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<v Speaker 1>for uh, you know, Barack Obama bringing it up yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>John Lewis's funeral, I thought was shocking the idea he

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<v Speaker 1>actually suggested Democrats need to do away with the filibuster

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<v Speaker 1>in the Senate. That is that an issue you could

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<v Speaker 1>get people worked up about, or is that too complicated

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<v Speaker 1>for most voters. I think it's an issue that activist

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<v Speaker 1>bases get really worked up about, so on the right

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<v Speaker 1>and on the left. This is actually one area where

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<v Speaker 1>the activists based on the right agrees with the activists

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<v Speaker 1>based on the left, the idea that the filibuster is antiquated,

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<v Speaker 1>and if only we didn't have the filibuster, we'd be

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<v Speaker 1>able to get so much done. The problem with that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is that the way American politics works is

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't have one part in control for long

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<v Speaker 1>periods of time. Usually party you know, party control goes

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth, which means, you know, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>the filibuster gone for Republicans, uh, then you ought to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to accept the fact that filibuster will be

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<v Speaker 1>gone for Democrats as well. And that's precisely why the

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<v Speaker 1>filibuster I think, remains in place, because people realize how

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<v Speaker 1>damaging it would be if it were to be to

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<v Speaker 1>be eliminated. Well, just to put in plain terms, what

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<v Speaker 1>we'd see, among other things, is wild, jarring instant changes

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<v Speaker 1>in the way the country is governed every four year,

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<v Speaker 1>every two years, conceivably, I mean, just wild swings in policy,

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<v Speaker 1>foreign policy, domestic policy. Oh yeah, I mean, look, you'd see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you'd have Obamacare one year, you'd have no

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<v Speaker 1>Obamacare the next year, and then you'd have Medicare for

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<v Speaker 1>all the fifth year. I mean, that's the that's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of gyrating that you would see, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>be tremendously damaging and difficult for us to really uh

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<v Speaker 1>be able to operate as a country in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways because you would have massive portions of the

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<v Speaker 1>economy affected by big time policy and it would change

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. Because what would happen is you would

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<v Speaker 1>only need a simple majority to make these huge policy

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<v Speaker 1>changes in the Senate. And that's really the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>that keeps this I think that keeps the train from

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<v Speaker 1>going off the tracks completely. Oh yeah, we could go

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth between open borders and zero immigration in

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<v Speaker 1>one administration, and before you know it, cannibalism. Lani chen

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<v Speaker 1>is on the line from the Hoover Institution. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>even care? Do you pay attention to Joe Biden's VP

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<v Speaker 1>choice or or is that just an overrated question, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's something that the political class gets really

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<v Speaker 1>excited about and interested in, you know, particularly because maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's there's not a whole lot of other uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, other other stories to follow closely. Uh. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it matters in so far as Joe biden

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<v Speaker 1>situation is that he's really old, and you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to make sure that there is somebody there who

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<v Speaker 1>credibly could be president, you know, at any given time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think in this situation with Biden, the VP

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<v Speaker 1>pick matters a little bit more. But historically what we

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<v Speaker 1>know is that the VP pick doesn't actually impact the

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<v Speaker 1>course of the election that much. It's a new story

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<v Speaker 1>for a few days. But with Biden's case, maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>matters a little bit more. Um. Former White House Press

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary Joe Lockhart argued the other day, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was in Time magazine that Biden shouldn't debate at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So Biden might do no press conferences and no debates

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<v Speaker 1>until the election. You think you can pull that off? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. And I think that's a stupid idea, uh to,

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<v Speaker 1>to to have Biden avoid debates. I mean, that plays

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<v Speaker 1>right into the narrative that I think Trump is building

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<v Speaker 1>around Biden, you know, the Biden and the Bunker narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I you know, look, I think Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>has showed that there are times when he can be

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<v Speaker 1>fine lucid. Uh. During the Democratic primary debates, he went

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<v Speaker 1>out there and he had a couple of debates that

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<v Speaker 1>were really bad and a few that were quite good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that in this situation, if you're on the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden team, you have to accept the possibility that Biden

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<v Speaker 1>could do okay, and that there might be more harm

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<v Speaker 1>than good in keeping him the question in the bunker

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<v Speaker 1>and not wanting to debate. That is absolutely the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>look I think for him. Yeah, I just wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>it'll actually move votes. Yeah, I'm not saying you're wrong

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<v Speaker 1>one he I just which will he got to balance

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<v Speaker 1>it against him coming out in a ninety minute debate

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, really showing his age, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>the risk risk versus reward, which I think is why

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<v Speaker 1>they're hanging a lantern on some of his faults. As

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<v Speaker 1>they say said, yeah, he's gaff prone the rest of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's a nice fella. Now they're saying, look, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a transitional figure. He's only going to do one term.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's onto the new thing. It's no big deal

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<v Speaker 1>if he gets elected. I did hear somebody make the

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<v Speaker 1>argument that Trump had the reverse situation for debates last

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<v Speaker 1>time around. Hillary was the expert, she knew everything, was

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<v Speaker 1>a political expert. I don't know anything about debating. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has set the bar so low for Biden now

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<v Speaker 1>by saying, you know, he can barely talk. I think

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<v Speaker 1>if Biden comes out and he's competent at all, yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>hecor out of time. Sorry about that line. Yeah, that's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a waste of your valuable time, your expertise, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Alan he Chen, that was interesting. Uh, fellow in American

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<v Speaker 1>Public policy studies, Hoover Institution. Always enlightening. Thanks a million.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, um, yeah, I I don't know with the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden thing. I could see it going either way. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so much more than it's going to happen between now

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<v Speaker 1>and then and Getty