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Speaker 1: that on on many different levels, but pretend outrage and

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Speaker 1: to accomplish. We're joined by Lani Chen David and Nyanne

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Speaker 1: Stephie fellow in American Public Policy Studies of the Hoover Institution,

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Speaker 1: and Lani, much as I deal with my backyard, let's

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Speaker 1: the more edifying stuff. That's the worst transition I've ever heard,

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Speaker 1: thank you so. Uh. The idea that Trump would delay

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Speaker 1: Alan he Chen, that was interesting. Uh, fellow in American

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