1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travis and Buck 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Sexton podcast Network. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon, and 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: I am so glad you're joining me today. I'm really 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: excited because today I'm joined by the guy who made 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: this entire podcast possible. After the campaign, I was like, 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: I don't really know what my next step is, and 9 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Clay Travis called me. 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You can 42 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: catch him on the radio every weekday from twelve to 43 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: three pm Eastern on The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, 44 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: and he is the author of his latest book, American Playbook, 45 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: A Guide to Winning Back the Country aroun the Democrats, 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: which we both agree we need to do. Thank you 47 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: Clay so much for being here today. 48 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Congrats on the success. What 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: is it, a million people every month downloading your podcast now, 50 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: like right out of the gate, that is absolutely incredible. 51 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: I knew you'd be good at this, and so thanks 52 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: for proving me right, and thanks for doing such good work. 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for convincing me, because it's because of you that 54 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: I'm here, and I know it's all your help that 55 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: has helped me get these listeners. So thank you so 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: much for that. And we have a lot to jump 57 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: into because there's so much going on. I wanted to 58 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: bring up something to you because I knew you would 59 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: have an opinion on it, but I might have a 60 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: little bit of a different opinion on it than you. 61 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: So Biden was in the news a couple of days 62 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: ago because he came out and he said in a 63 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: very angry tone, don't bet against America. People were saying, 64 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: you know, oh, the country's going the wrong direction. He's like, 65 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: we have never had something that we set out to 66 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: accomplish that we have not done. Do not bet against America. 67 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: And now he comes off really angry, like awkwardly angry 68 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: angry in this. But I think that this is the 69 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: winning message from Democrats because they're just like, we're not 70 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: doing anything wrong, it's all good. How do they get 71 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: away with it? 72 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: I think one, they have a lot of economically illiterate 73 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: people and business illiterate, and I think that's a big 74 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: challenge here because it wasn't that long ago toutor that 75 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: Democrats actually made sense. I mean, Bill Clinton balanced the budget. 76 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: There were a lot of pro business Democrats out there, 77 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, I think the AOC Bernie Sanders wing of 78 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: the party has emerged to send it and I just 79 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: don't think they understand basic business concepts, and that really 80 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: kind of crystallized. Would you remember when AOC fought against 81 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: Amazon putting a headers in I think it was Queen's 82 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: in her district, A part of her district and she 83 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: didn't seem to understand how tax incentives worked, and that 84 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: the tax incentives didn't exist unless the jobs were there, 85 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: and how you balance out a city and a state 86 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: making a decision. And even the governor, who was a 87 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: Democrat at the time, Cuomo came out and said she 88 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: doesn't really understand basic business. And I think that's unfortunately true. 89 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: And so what they're going to try to do, Tutor, 90 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: I think is they're going to focus on where inflation 91 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: is right now. And this is important and I think 92 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: your listeners and your viewers will understand this, but I 93 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: know you, as a mom of four, understand this. I'll 94 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: give you an example. Last night, we finished seventh grade football. 95 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: We went through Chick fil A after the game to 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: get food for me and the three boys and my wife, 97 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: and it was over fifty five dollars Chick fil A. Right. 98 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: You know, we're not sitting down for like a meal 99 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: where we have a waiter and a waitress. We're just 100 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: going through Chick fil A And it's over fifty five 101 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: dollars and inflation maybe three percent right now, but it's 102 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: three percent built on top of the nine percent. You 103 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: never get to unring that Bell. So when you're looking 104 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: around and you're like, man, it seems like every time 105 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: I go to the grocery store, I'm paying twenty percent more, 106 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: or every time I go through a fast food drive through, 107 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: like I don't remember ever paying fifty dollars to go 108 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: to a fast food shop drive through. And so all 109 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: of this is stacking on top of each other, and 110 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: Tutor yesterday or the day before, we also hit a 111 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: twenty two year high on mortgage rates. Biden is bragging 112 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: and saying, well, I promised I was never going to 113 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: raise taxes on anyone making under four hundred dollars a year, 114 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: which is the vast majority of the American population. But 115 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: inflation is a default tax on the poor because you 116 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: feel it coming out of your pocket when you live 117 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: paycheck to paycheck and you have to spend all your 118 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: money to live, and if you're fortunate enough to be 119 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: buying a home a seven point one six percent interest, 120 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: we were at twenty year mortgage woes when Joe Biden 121 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: came into office. We're now at twenty year highs. I 122 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: guarantee you, Tudor, there are people listening to us right 123 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: now who bought a home four or five years ago. 124 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: They now have one kid or two kids. They might 125 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: want to move into a new school district because their 126 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: kid's about to start in kindergarten, but they can't afford 127 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: to leave the house that they have now because they 128 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: can't afford the new payment with a seven point one 129 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 1: six percent interest rate going forward for the next thirty years. 130 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: So the reality of the economic life that people feel 131 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: in Michigan, where you are, in Tennessee where I am, 132 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: it's very different than and what the bidens are selling. 133 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: But a lot of people are willing to suspend belief 134 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: because they bought into the idea that Joe Biden was 135 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: going to make America better and bring us back to 136 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: normalcy and decency. He's failed on all that, but they 137 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: have to believe that why and so they don't pay 138 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: attention to what the actual data and their life shows them. 139 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: That's my best way you bring You bring up an 140 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: interesting point on the mortgage rates. So in your playbook, 141 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you this, because you have this 142 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: plan to win this back. You have a bunch of 143 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: young people. They so I find something funny because when 144 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: we were like six months into the Biden presidency, I 145 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: was working with some young kids, and a lot of 146 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: them were Liberals. They had voted for Joe Biden, and 147 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: they said, hey, when do you think my loan's going 148 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: to get released? Like? When am I going to get 149 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: released from my student loan? And I left and I 150 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: was like, you're not so what do you mean? No, No, 151 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: Joe Biden promised that, And it struck me that the 152 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: only people these young adults had ever seen as president 153 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: was Donald Trump and he actually kept those promises. And 154 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, no, no, honey, they don't usually keep 155 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: the promises. You're not getting your money back. And I 156 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: think it's going to be a rude awakening for these 157 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: young people today because a lot of these kids in 158 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: their twenties and early thirties said, I'm going to spend 159 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: my money on vacations. I've got to be Instagram famous, 160 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: I've got to go to all these places, and I'm 161 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: not going to save for a house because interest rates 162 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: are so low. When I get to it, I get 163 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: to it. This is going to be a huge shock 164 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: for these people now who are saying I want to 165 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 2: buy my first home and it is going to be 166 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: so much more expensive than they could ever have imagined. 167 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 2: So in your playbook, what is the message to young people? 168 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: Because I don't think the message is your life sucks. 169 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: It has to be we're going to make your life 170 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: better somehow. But we seem to be the party that's like, 171 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: this is why it all sucks. But how do we say, 172 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: this is what we're going to make it. We're going 173 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: to do to make it better. 174 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: So what I hammer home for particularly to young people, 175 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: So I think all the time because I've got a 176 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: fifteen to twelve and an eight year old, three boys, 177 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: and I think all the time about what their world 178 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: is going to be like. And like any parent, you're 179 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: trying to instill some form of values in them. But 180 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: what I tell them and their friends when they're running 181 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: around the house and everything else, and I don't know 182 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: how much attention they actually pay to me because Dad's always, 183 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, like everybody, every kid, every generation throughout history 184 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: thinks their parents are clueless and their parents' friends are 185 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: clueless and everything else. And then you get a little 186 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: bit older and you're like, actually, you know, making a 187 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: little bit of sense. So what I say is, and 188 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: I think this goes for boys girls. I think anybody 189 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: out there, I wish. Every twelve year old in America 190 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: was told this, and it was hammered home again and 191 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: again and again. You are responsible for your own individual's 192 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: success or failure. You the only hand you can rely 193 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: on is the one at the end of your sleeve. Now, 194 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: there are lots of great people out there, and they 195 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: may give you good advice, or give you good opportunities, 196 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: everything else, but ultimately you're responsible for your own success, 197 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: your work ethic, you're showing up, you're being. 198 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: But today people like the fact that the Democrats are 199 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: saying you don't have to be responsible. So how do 200 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: you run against that message when the Democrats are saying, 201 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: don't worry, we're waving them. 202 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: So I think what's interesting is I think these kids 203 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: are now starting to realize that some of the things 204 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: that they have been told are not actually true, and 205 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: certainly coming out of COVID, that is that there's in 206 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: the back of their mind there's something like, well, this 207 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: is not resonating with my life experience. So what I say, tutor, 208 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: is four things. If you graduate from high school, if 209 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: you get married eventually, if you get a job, and 210 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: if you don't have your first child until you're twenty 211 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: five years old. Those four things. People obviously can make 212 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: their own life choices, they can do different things. But 213 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: what the data reflects is no matter how low on 214 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: the socioeconomic scale you are, no matter how much your 215 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: mom dad makes, no matter who you live with, could 216 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: be grandma and grandpa, anybody else, graduate high school, get married, 217 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: get a job, and obviously the order can vary. You 218 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: should get a job, probably before you get married, but 219 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: don't have a kid until twenty five. Your poverty rate 220 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: in America is zero. Think about how incredible that is 221 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: if you just do those four things. Now, look, I 222 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: hope you go off and you've become a doctor or 223 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: a lawyer, or you run for governor of Michigan. I 224 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: love for you to be higher than that. Found businesses 225 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: do amazing things. 226 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: Those are just those are just the limit. If you 227 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: meet these few standards then and that doesn't mean you 228 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: have to be married before twenty five. Those are just 229 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: things saying, and I think that is. 230 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: America can do them, doesn't matter where you start. I 231 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: think boys in particular need aspirational goals. I think girls 232 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: do too, But I feel like a lot of boys 233 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: are falling behind, and so they need competition, They need 234 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: something to push them. This is why I thought so 235 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: hard for schools reopen in many ways, because I knew 236 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: a lot of boys that would have never gone to 237 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: high school and graduated if they didn't have a sports 238 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: team to play on. Right. They needed that coach, they 239 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: needed that camaraderie. We all know a ton of people 240 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: out there who maybe the light bulb comes off at 241 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: a different point and a lot rather than the light 242 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: bulb come on for you after you've graduated from high school, 243 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: maybe when you're in college, or when you're pursuing some 244 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: form of a profession. At some point you might realize, 245 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: I bet that you have this crystallizing moment, Tutor, I 246 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: know I did where you're like, man, a lot of 247 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: the things that I do are expensive. You know, we're 248 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: like wait a minute, you know. 249 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: And having kids expense, no doubt, but. 250 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: You know, you start to realize, hey, you know, going 251 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: to Chick fil A isn't that cheap? Like the money, 252 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: Like recognizing how hard you have to work to have 253 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: the money to live the lifestyle that you want. Kids 254 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: have different different realizations that set off at some point, 255 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: but I feel like those four things, that's what I hammer, 256 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: and I think the message what you're asking is it's 257 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: one of optimism, because I feel optimistic if I control 258 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: my own success. 259 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think you're saying it in a different way 260 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: than I hear most conservative saying it, because you're saying, look, 261 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: these are goals. If you achieve these goals, you can 262 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: have a pretty good life. And that's something that the 263 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: left does really well. It's like, if you do this, 264 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: doesn't matter what order, it doesn't matter, this could be 265 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: a really good life for you. We on the other hand, 266 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: I've heard too many conservatives who have been lecturing young women, 267 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: especially like get married young, have kids young, put your 268 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: career on hold, home school, that's the best thing you 269 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: can do. And it's like this cage you put on 270 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: young women who say, I want to have a career. 271 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: And let's be honest, if you are forty and you 272 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: are just entering the workplace, you are not in the 273 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: same position as every other forty year old. And so 274 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: that is a message that I think is driving young 275 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: women away from the Republican Party. No matter how many 276 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: times I I say this, I feel like I just 277 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: keep hearing conservatives hammering young women like you have to 278 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: do this and find a good young conservative Christian man. 279 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: And I'm like, why aren't you talking to the men, 280 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: Like when are you going to say to them, hey, 281 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: step up? 282 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Look, I mean, well, sixty percent 283 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: of people graduating from college or girls, right, So there's 284 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: way more women who are going to be highly educated 285 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: than there are boys, right, And so I think you 286 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: have a mismatched component that's going on there. The other 287 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: thing is, I think if Republicans have to you're talking 288 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: about appealing to women. I think suburban moms are going 289 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: to decide who is elected president in twenty twenty four. 290 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Men are going to break the way 291 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: that they are. They're going to vote Republican as they 292 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: typically do. Women will break in different ways, but in particular, 293 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: the toss up voters are suburban moms. And this book 294 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm willing to talk and touch sometimes the third rail, 295 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: just talk about an abortion. I think Republicans have to 296 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: be willing to talk about abortion in the wake of 297 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Roe v. Because my theory is that Roe v. Wade 298 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: getting overturned. Roe v. Wade was like the car that 299 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: Republicans could run and bark at, you know, the dog. 300 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: What happens when the dog actually catches the car, you know, 301 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: like the dog. 302 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: We saw that. 303 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: We're in a dog sug blare scenario, right, a dog 304 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: runs through the neighborhood, Bark, bark, bark. There's no real 305 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,359 Speaker 1: consequences when you grab the bumper, it actually becomes consequential. 306 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: You get dragged around. You got to figure out what 307 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: your game plan is. And uh, I actually think that 308 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: Republicans have done a really poor job, and I think 309 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna I'm I am. I am of the opinion 310 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: that unless Republicans do a better job on abortion, it's 311 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: going to decide the twenty twenty four election. 312 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, they know it's a winning message for them. Look 313 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: at Ohio. Look at what just happened. I lived through. 314 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: Anybody because of what they did to you in Michigan 315 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: over abortion. 316 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 317 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon podcast in Michigan. And we had such 318 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: an interesting situation because it was on the ballot. So 319 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: you went out there and said, you know, you can 320 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: vote for this, and you still don't have to vote 321 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: for Gretchen Whitmer. But they painted our campaign in such 322 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: a way so early on. And this is where I 323 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: think that Republicans are also failing Republicans and I will 324 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: call out the supporters of Republicans are like, hey, hey, 325 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: we'll get there in October, and you're like, what are 326 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: you talking about. They have an organization on the ground, 327 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: they are getting there in August. So we were getting 328 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: attacks in the primary before the primary from the Democrats, 329 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: so they are already defining who you are. An abortion 330 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: is great because if they can say that you're going 331 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: to take away a right of women, and regardless of 332 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: whether or not that is considered it right, they have 333 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: painted it as that. And so that is the Latin 334 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: like suburban women will come out all day long and 335 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: say no, you're not going to touch one issue voter 336 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: all day long. But they're organized in different ways. I 337 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: was talking to a guy yesterday and he said, yeah, 338 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting. Business owners have started to have 339 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: to go to the county commit meetings because there's like 340 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: these twelve to fifteen activists that go there, and the 341 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: county commissioners have been really they've been really twisted up 342 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: inside over these activists coming in because they those are 343 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: the only voices they hear, and even though that is 344 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: not what the community is. They think that's what the 345 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 2: community is because they've got fifteen people coming every time. 346 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: So this is something like locally, you have to be 347 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: involved too, because the Democrats are starting these organizations across 348 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: the country and they are sending in these loud voices 349 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: to make it seem like the community has changed. And 350 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: if you're not there, if you're not present, those people 351 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: are actually changing policies under your nose that are going 352 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: to affect your work. 353 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: For people out there. You'll know this really well. My 354 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: wife is from Oakland County, which is just north of 355 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: Detroit in the state of Michigan. That's the kind of 356 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: county that will be a bell weather in many ways, right, 357 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: because you have a lot of highly educated, suburban women. 358 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: And here's what I am. So what would I say, right? 359 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a guy like to abortion to me 360 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: is not a direct thing that I like would rank 361 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: is one of the seven or eight things that I 362 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: think about the most. And I've got three boys, so 363 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: I don't have teenage daughters that are coming up or 364 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: anything like that, but a lot of people do. I 365 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: think you have to say and look, people, let me 366 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: say this preface it. As I was say in the book, 367 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: you should never agree with one hundred percent of anything 368 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: that you hear from anyone who's in the public arena, 369 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: whether it's a politician, whether it's a media guy like me. 370 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: But my position on this that I believe would win 371 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: is clearly there are exceptions for rape, life of a mother, incest, 372 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: all of those things. Like that's a no brainer to 373 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: me personally. And then you say where the line can 374 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: be drawn is a question for individual states in the 375 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: wake of Roe v. Wade, and people can debate that politically. 376 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: That's the benefit of Roe v. Wade being overturned. What 377 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: is radical? And then I think you pivot and say 378 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: what is the truth? What is radical is the idea 379 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: that there should be abortions legal up to the ninth 380 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: month of pregnancy. Right, there's about ten percent that believe 381 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: and no exceptions. Ever, there's about ten percent that believe 382 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: in nine a month pregnancy, and then most people nine 383 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: month pregnancy abortions. Most people are somewhere in the middle 384 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: that eighty percent, Right, But I think you have to 385 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: be direct about exactly what you think. 386 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: It's really a tough situation because we've got even Mike 387 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: Pence now coming out and saying, you know, I think 388 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: that we go to this fifteen week federally, and I 389 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: think I would tell federal candidates first US office for 390 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: federal office, to say, look, I guess I'll stick with 391 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: the states can decide, because why even get into that mix. 392 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: The states can make that decision the people in each state, 393 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: and each state is different, and this is an issue 394 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: that affects people personally. So I think that going state 395 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 2: by state is how it should be. The problem you 396 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: have is if you've been watching the media, they are 397 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: totally on the side of the Democrats. We know this, 398 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: and I think it's really hard to run against the media. 399 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: Every Republican has to do it. And so if you 400 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: look at the media very cleverly in the last year, 401 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: they sprinkle every month or every couple of weeks a 402 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: story about a woman who went to her twenty week ultrasound, 403 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: got some terrible news, was told she was going to 404 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: have to carry this baby that would eventually die or 405 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: something horrible would happen, and it twists the heart of 406 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: women who go, gosh, if that were me, you know what, 407 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: if I were in that situation, And this is the 408 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: medical anomaly that happens too often that we can't force 409 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: women into this. So there's really it is a really 410 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 2: hard discussion because people who think this is so cut 411 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: and dry that you can just go out there and say, well, 412 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: my belief is this. It's not that cut and dry, 413 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 2: and honestly, it's not that cut and dry of a 414 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: law because you do have exceptions where something medical happens 415 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: and it is an extreme case, the law can prevent 416 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: the proper care from happening. I mean, it is not 417 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: a cut and dry issue, and they can win on 418 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: the fact that it's not. 419 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: And by the way, speaking of much less serious media 420 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: like that, you're going to have to run again. So 421 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: you held this copy of this book up. This is 422 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: the number one book selling nonfiction last week, number two 423 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: on That's Publishers Weekly, I think, number two in the 424 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. The New York Times didn't put it 425 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: in the top fifteen. Yeah, so we are the number 426 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 1: one nonfiction book in America. The New York Times Bestsellers, 427 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 1: they didn't put us in the top fifteen. So in 428 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: terms of the dishonesty that you have to deal with, 429 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: and somebody will say, okay, what is the impact of that, Well, 430 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: I think I make a lot of good arguments in 431 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: the book, and a lot of bookstores put the New 432 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: York Times bestseller in the front of the bookstore, so 433 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: you be like, Hey, what am I interested in reading? 434 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: You probably, if you don't know me, you're probably not 435 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: going to go to the back of the bookstore and 436 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: go through some of the new releases and pull this 437 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: book off the shelf if you don't know who I am. 438 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: If they put it up where it should have been, 439 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, number one overall, you look at it and 440 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, why is this book the number one 441 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: best selling book in America? This was like what is 442 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: this guy saying? What is he doing? What is his argument? 443 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's an example of sort of the 444 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: uneven playing field that we are having to take take 445 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: account of in every single major, major political campaign, but 446 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: also just in the war for ideas, right in the 447 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: marketplace of ideas that you and I are sitting in sharing, 448 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: sharing our opinions on every single day. 449 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that if Joe Biden's debate prep had 450 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 2: been leaked out in a website somewhere, we would hear 451 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: about it very briefly. No mainstream media would cover it. 452 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: But as you know, this happened to Ronda Santis. His 453 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: debate prep is out there and it's very detailed. I 454 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: mean I honestly I was looking at it and I 455 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: thought to myself, I could see this being a drinking 456 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: game next week. Yeah yeah, okay, yep, covered, Yep, he 457 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 2: did that one. You know, because it is very detailed. 458 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: How badly do you think that hurts this debate? Do 459 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 2: you think that people are actually going to be saying, oh, well, 460 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: we saw that he covered these points. Is that going 461 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: to be a topic. And then you've got Viveke Ramaswami 462 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: coming out and saying, hey, you shouldn't have to need 463 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: debate prep. I'm going in there just knowing what I 464 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: need to say. How big of a flub is this 465 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: for the Desantas campaign? 466 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: Yeah? So my thing would be like you and I 467 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 1: said down, and You're like, I'm going to hit you 468 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: with issues of the day, and my thing is, okay, 469 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: I do three hours every day. If you ask me 470 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: a question and I'm not ready for it, that's on me. 471 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: And I feel like vivek answering that too, like he's 472 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: on a campaign already. There shouldn't be anything that's raised 473 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: at the debate that he's not already talking about and 474 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: prepared for. I think what it does is it plays 475 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: into the idea that many candidates are not authentic versions 476 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: of themselves. And so I think when you see a debate, 477 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: like people say, what would the value be it, I'm curious, 478 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: because you kick Gretchen Whittmer's ass, I watch those debates. 479 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: What is the value of a debate in general for 480 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: a voter out there? In my opinion, the value is 481 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: that you get to see an unscripted version of the 482 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: candidate talking directly to the public, and you get to 483 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: see a contrast in vision. That would be my argument 484 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: for why debates makes sense when you see someone who 485 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: is so over prepared that they don't sound like a 486 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: normal human. They sound like sort of this AI generated 487 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: bot that's just trotting out tried and true language that 488 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: they think is going to respond. Well, I don't think 489 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: it plays well in the debate in the same way. 490 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: And I bet you found this with your show. The 491 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: things that people respond to to me are the things 492 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: that are the most authentic and honest. 493 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: Associated Well, let me let me defend DeSantis a little 494 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: bit here because I, you know, I know a little 495 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: bit about how the things are made back in the 496 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: kitchen there, because I did this myself, and I and 497 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: it was obviously not on a presidential scale, but on 498 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: the gubernatorial scale, and and I'd never done it before, 499 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: And so I do think that there is I mean, 500 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: just like if you're going into any meeting, if you 501 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 2: were to buy a company, you would do your due 502 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: diligence and say, Okay, these are the things that are 503 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 2: important to us, this is what our plan is. This 504 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: is and you're saying, you know, this is their opportunity 505 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 2: to say what they want to do for the country. 506 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: And so not only does he have to walk in 507 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: there and be able to execute his plan and say that, 508 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 2: but he also has to point out that his opponents 509 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 2: don't have the right plan. So I do think that 510 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: this was embarrassing that this came out, But I also 511 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: think that some people can step back and say, hey, 512 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: if you want this guy to be commander in chief, 513 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 2: you better be sure that he is going to be 514 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: able to take advice from people. There have been complaints 515 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 2: that presidents in the past have not been able to 516 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: take advice. If he can step back and say, hey, 517 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: I can humble myself and say I need to walk 518 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: into this debate with some advice from other people who 519 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: maybe are experts in different areas, I can nail this. 520 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: But I do think that people are worried that he 521 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 2: might be a little too stiff. 522 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: And I think, also, you don't want that out there 523 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: because then it makes not his authentic opinions. It's what 524 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: he's being told that he needs to say right as 525 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: opposed to what he actually thinks. And I think I'm 526 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: curious how you would assess this. But I think what 527 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: people are most craving for right now is not someone 528 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: that they agree with on everything. It's just someone that 529 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: they trust will be honest with them about what they 530 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: believe right, Because I think we've been lied to so 531 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: much that there's just a like, we put up a 532 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: poll on my Twitter feed and said, hey, if you 533 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: had to vote today for RFK Junior or Mike Pence, 534 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: who would you vote for? My audience, seventy five percent 535 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: said RFK Junior. Pence was vice president of Heartbeat away 536 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: from the presidency just a few years ago. He's clearly 537 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: a Republican, He's clearly conservative. Why is that I think 538 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't agree with RFK Junior everything, 539 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: but they trust him on the First Amendment, they trust 540 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: him on COVID related issues. That obviously matters a lot 541 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: to my audience. So it didn't surprise me at all 542 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: that he would smoke Pence because I think there's more 543 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: of an establishment versus anti establishment mindset right now than 544 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: there is sometimes Republican versus Democrat. 545 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 546 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: a Tutor Dixon podcast. Well, I mean, I think that's 547 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 2: why Donald Trump was so popular in twenty sixteen. It 548 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: wasn't because he was a part of the establishment or 549 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 2: promising everything. It was like he was just a genuine guy. 550 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 2: I do think that that is somewhat of the attraction 551 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 2: to Vivek Ramaswami. He's not a bomb thrower. He's not 552 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: out there trying to say this person is bad and 553 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: this person is bad. I mean, here's a guy who 554 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: one day is rapping to eminem and the next day 555 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 2: he's playing the piano. You know, it's like, this is 556 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: a guy and things that I'm telling you, consultants would 557 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: go dude, no, ye, you can't, you can't do this. Stuff, 558 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: And I think that's why people love him because they're like, 559 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: he's doing the things that you don't see politics. He's 560 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 2: not careful. We are done with careful. 561 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I think that's what I said. 562 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example too. If I were to 563 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: run for president or to run for governor, you know, 564 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: the first thing they would say to me, you can't 565 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: have a beard, because they would, like consultants would say 566 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: that in general. And think about how crazy this is 567 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: that people don't trust men with facial hair as much 568 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: as they do men without facial hair. And so that's 569 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: an examples like I'm not going to shave my beard, 570 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: right like, I mean that's like this is what I 571 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: look like for better or worse. Like I've had this 572 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: for twenty years now, for a long time. But they 573 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: would say like, oh, facial hair is a bad look. 574 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: You need to take that off if you're going to 575 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: run for elective office. And think about how crazy it is. 576 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: There almost no men with facial hair because a lot 577 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: of them listen and say, oh, you know what, that's right. 578 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: I think that's a good example of Evey. Nobody would 579 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: say like, hey, get up on the stage at the 580 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: Iowa Fair and do Lose Yourself acapella basically a with 581 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: the mic. 582 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: No one will say that. 583 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: Ever do but to your point, people are going to 584 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: respond to it because it's anti what consultants would say. 585 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: But it's it's real and if the guy has and 586 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: I listened, I thought it was pretty good. I don't 587 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: know about you. I was like, I also think that 588 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: speaks for a new generation that I think there's lots 589 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: of Republicans that like nineties rap music, right, like. 590 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: Doctor right exactly. Yes, those those people you're going to 591 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: get and it's like, you know, it's funny. It's like 592 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: a guilty pleasure too. There was a night in Holland, 593 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: Michigan where Jimmy Fayla and Kennedy came and their show 594 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: is not like Fox News, you know, it's a little 595 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: bit raunchier, and the people there are super conservatives, right, 596 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: they were all laughing hysterically, And I think that's the thing. 597 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: There are times when you just want to let go, 598 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: You just want to be real, you want to go 599 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: back to being acceptable to laugh at things. 600 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: In the book, I argue that Republicans should be the 601 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: party that likes humor, you know, like comedies under attack 602 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: the idea that you could go into a comedy club 603 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: and somebody could make a joke and you could say, oh, 604 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: we've got to cancel this person for that joke, I think. 605 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean, look, there are going to be things that 606 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: I was talking about this. I don't know if you've 607 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: ever watched the show, but my wife and I love 608 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: The Righteous Gemstones, which is I was. 609 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: Told that you love this, I have not I have 610 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: to watch. 611 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: I love this show. I mean, but it makes fun 612 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: of so I grew up in the South. I grew 613 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: up in the Southern Baptist Church, and I grew up 614 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: going to some of these mega churches. But it is 615 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: a satire in many ways of the large you know, 616 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: like Jimmy Swagger, you know, large church style back in 617 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: the day that I grew up going to and understanding 618 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: and everything else. It doesn't mean there's not a lot 619 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: of humor there, right, Like you can be religious and 620 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: also think that sometimes these big show religious celebrations are 621 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: also a little bit cheesy and a little bit ridiculous, 622 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: Like you can have fun with it. And I don't 623 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: know about the religious faith of anybody on the show, 624 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: but what I know is like, if you can make 625 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: me laugh, I will forgive almost any flaw. 626 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: It's true, right, It's true, It's true. And when we 627 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: stopped feeling that way, that is I really believe that 628 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: that's when society started to get depressed mental health. And 629 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: she's like, if you can't laugh, laughter is the best remedy. 630 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: I mean, how many times have we heard that. I 631 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: will say one other show that if you are curious 632 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: about politics or you want to get into it. When 633 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: I first started running, my campaign manager was like, look, 634 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: you got to watch the show Veep, so you totally 635 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: understand what you're getting into. And you say that about 636 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: the beard. One of the one of the first episodes 637 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: of Beep, she's like, should I wear the glasses? And 638 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: I think it's gary. It's like, oh no, man, And 639 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: then her other assistant was like, no, no, that's like 640 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: a wheelchair for the eye. And when I started running, 641 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, you can't wear your glasses. You've got 642 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: to get rid of And I'm like, are you serious? 643 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, you can't wear the glasses. I'm like, okay, 644 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: I'll just oh, let's walk around. We'll see where I 645 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 2: get to. 646 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: You know. 647 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: But it's so. 648 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: True by line the funniest I could. I like, I 649 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: was in love with that show on it on a 650 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: daily basis. And I think jim Stones is similar in 651 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: that it satirizes instead of politics. Obviously large multi you know, 652 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: big church lifestyle, but it's it's you will have it. 653 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: It's really You've got to get a few episodes in, 654 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: but it's very well done. 655 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: So where is the show? I will watch HBO okay. 656 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: The third season, I think, and they film it in Charleston, 657 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: so they you know, it's southern set in South Carolina. 658 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: But as somebody who grew up in the South in 659 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: like the big church, like like lifestyle, I just I 660 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: think it's hysterical. But that's the thing, right, Like, be 661 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: the party that likes to laugh, Be the party in 662 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: favor of an expansive First Amendment. And I would even 663 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: tie back the abortion conversation we had. Be the party 664 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: that says, hey, you don't have to get the COVID shot, 665 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: but also the government shouldn't show up knocking on your 666 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: door if your fourteen year old is three, you know, 667 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: six weeks pregnant, like figuring out what your fourteen year 668 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: old is going to do. I think Republicans should be 669 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: the party of freedom. 670 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 2: By and large, that's what we had always been, and 671 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 2: that is I mean, with school, with everything, it should 672 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 2: be your choice. With business, you should not be. And 673 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: I think that's a part of the problem with some 674 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: folks not identifying with the Republican Party right now, because like, 675 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 2: wait a minute, some of you are the party of 676 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: small governments. Some of you are going into private businesses 677 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: and telling them what to do, some of you are 678 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 2: going into people's houses. I mean, we have to get 679 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: back to what our identity is. And I think that's 680 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: what I've heard most of all is like what are 681 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: Republicans for anymore? And so I call on the folks 682 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 2: out there to say, what is the message. I mean, 683 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 2: we have these groups that get together, you have the 684 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: Republican Governors Association, you have the RNC. What is the 685 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: message that you're putting out and are you able to 686 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: get the candidate. I'm not saying that everybody has to 687 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 2: have one mindset, but it's nice to know that your 688 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 2: party has certain principles that you stand for one hundred percent. 689 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: I think that has to be and I think you 690 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 1: and the audience that you speak to is a big 691 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: part of I think evolving the Republican Party to where 692 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: it needs to go to truly be a party that 693 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: can win a nationwide popular vote, which is what I 694 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: think the goal has to be. Instead of trying to 695 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: sort of finagle away in the electoral college to find 696 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: a tiny margin of victory through the Midwest, we need 697 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: to be a party that has a robust pathway to 698 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: winning comfortably, like happened back in the day of Reagin. Right. 699 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 2: Well, well, speaking of things that we want to do 700 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: for people, Before I let you and the audience go, 701 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 2: I want to talk to them quickly a little bit 702 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 2: about consumer tax advocate. You know that I love putting 703 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 2: money back in all of your pockets, and you so 704 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 2: deserve that money. 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Make sure before you go you 728 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 2: tell people how they get the American Playbook. 729 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: It's up everywhere Amazon, Barnesendoble dot com, should be in 730 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: every bookstore out there, and I hope people enjoy it. 731 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: The goal is just it's also, by the way, audio. 732 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 1: My wife said she can't bear to read a book 733 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: she just finished law school, So an audiobook version too. 734 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: If you like to listen to radio and or listen 735 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: to audio while you work out, or whatever else that's 736 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: out there. But I hope people enjoy it. You most 737 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: importantly keep killing it. I appreciate everybody who's listening to you, 738 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: and hope we've helped to build that audience, because I 739 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: really do believe it's the audience of people that are 740 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: listening to you that will help make the decision for 741 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: who wins in twenty twenty four. 742 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 2: I agree, I agree there we have great people out there. 743 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 2: I think they're curious, and I think the goal, I 744 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 2: mean the goal for me and I know the goal 745 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 2: for you as always to make people think. So thank 746 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 2: you for giving me this opportunity and thanks for all of. 747 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: That you do. Keep killing it, so y'all have great weekends. 748 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 2: Thanks and thank you all so much for being here today. 749 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 2: For this episode and others, go to the Tutordison podcast 750 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: dot com. You can subscribe right there, or head over 751 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: to the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get 752 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 2: your podcasts, and join us next time on the Tutor 753 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 2: Dixon Podcast. As always, have a blessed day.