Speaker 1: Hey, Challenge Family.
Speaker 2: It's Devin Simone and of course I'm Davon Rodgers and
Speaker 2: this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: Davon, we have a spicy interview coming up today with Burnap,
Speaker 1: But before we get into that, let's break down this episode.
Speaker 1: Tell people what they want to know.
Speaker 2: Oh baby, Well, well let's start with the challenge. Okay,
Speaker 2: it was called Control Tower, and in this they had
Speaker 2: to get inside of these cars. Baby, these little bitty cars.
Speaker 2: Some people could drive, some people could not, Some had
Speaker 2: to communicate, some people had to do maths.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Kaylin because you're held down the ford.
Speaker 2: Then they ended up winning, finally collecting the bag, get
Speaker 2: in the check.
Speaker 3: I'm proud of y'all.
Speaker 1: Yes, go team.
Speaker 2: Now it comes down to the House vote. We get
Speaker 2: to the House vote. Raven goes in, she pleads her case.
Speaker 2: She does pretty well for the first time. Congratulations to you, Raven.
Speaker 2: She still ends up getting voted in. She gets down.
Speaker 1: There and she decides to Pickhui.
Speaker 2: WHOA didn't expect that, but she picks a Huey gets
Speaker 2: down in there to the elimination.
Speaker 3: Elimination it's called dirty D's. Now.
Speaker 2: In this they got a d and the digging and
Speaker 2: pick out these objects, which eventually leads to a Paul wrestle. Baby,
Speaker 2: you know that's my thag I love a good pole wrestle.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, Raven ends up winning who he goes home?
Speaker 2: And that brings us, ladies and gentlemen to our gold
Speaker 2: star and time out Devin, Who.
Speaker 4: You got What?
Speaker 1: An excellent recap. Also, did you guys hear the joy
Speaker 1: in Davon's voice when she started talking about Poul Wrussell.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember that if she ever gets voted into one. Okay,
Speaker 1: she needs to keep that same energy I did and
Speaker 1: I won, and that's why she loves it. This week
Speaker 1: had a lot going on. First of all, can I
Speaker 1: just say that this challenge looks fun. I wish my
Speaker 1: math teacher used these kind of methods to teach. Maybe
Speaker 1: I would have paid attention and made my homework in
Speaker 1: on time. Hughie even saying that he thought he was
Speaker 1: on a date with his partner was hilarious. Aesop saying
Speaker 1: he loves these people like everyone clearly is rallying around
Speaker 1: the fact that they're actually working together. Finally, for once,
Speaker 1: also shout out to Big t for being told by
Speaker 1: her driving instructor that the driving instructor no longer wants
Speaker 1: to instruct her. That is so bad. But also, my
Speaker 1: English teacher once told me I could no longer handwrite
Speaker 1: any of my assignments, so you know, I feel your pain.
Speaker 1: Dig Tea. Also Michelle saying she's waiting for the other
Speaker 1: shoe to drop because things are going so well. Account girl,
Speaker 1: the shoot undropped it, undropped it in the box. It's
Speaker 1: like put back on the shelf. But she doesn't know yet,
Speaker 1: so that is sad and terrible. A lot of things
Speaker 1: going on. Loving this episode. Okay, let's talk about contenders.
Speaker 1: Oh before we get to contenders for time out, I
Speaker 1: just want to shout out Kylin rethinking his cuddleship with
Speaker 1: Melissa because she's getting into it with Berna. That is Hilaire.
Speaker 1: You can literally see him doing this mad right now
Speaker 1: as they are fighting, being like, did I think this
Speaker 1: through so funny? No you did not, Kylin. But it
Speaker 1: is okay, all right, So for my time out for
Speaker 1: the week, I'm gonna have to say I'm giving it
Speaker 1: to Melissa. I understand no one wants to be called
Speaker 1: a bully, but just the way she freaks out about
Speaker 1: it and starts yelling when Berne is so calm, is
Speaker 1: just a little bit the most and by a little bit,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of bit. Bill, Your point gets
Speaker 1: lost when you yell. Just calm down, so I know,
Speaker 1: but you don't ever tell a woman to calm down.
Speaker 1: That's another thing. But I'm saying it now that I'm
Speaker 1: sure she is calm, but she's gonna get my time out,
Speaker 1: and then my gold star is actually gonna go tohoy.
Speaker 1: She really does seem like a ray of sunshine in
Speaker 1: the house. And then the way she even speaks about
Speaker 1: being chosen for the elimination and she's just so Positivehuy,
Speaker 1: you're like one big hug wrapped up in another hug.
Speaker 1: So I am sending you hugs. You get a gold star.
Speaker 1: I definitely hope we see you back. And I think
Speaker 1: it's big for TJ to acknowledge that she's like the
Speaker 1: kindest person ever. That is a really big deal. And
Speaker 1: TJ definitely seems more talkative as the seasons go on,
Speaker 1: like more communicativeative, more supportive. I'm not a fan of
Speaker 1: his tan shirt, but that's okay, Like he's really just
Speaker 1: I like seeing this side of TJ. Who would you say,
Speaker 1: day or your gold star and time out for this week.
Speaker 2: Definitely has to divide my goal star this week Betweenhoy
Speaker 2: and Kyland. So I'm gonna give it to Hue again
Speaker 2: to piggyback what you said, great girl like and even
Speaker 2: going back to her first season when she was voted
Speaker 2: in as well, she same attitude like, okay, well I
Speaker 2: came here to do it, so you know, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Always a great sport no matter what, like you know,
Speaker 2: smile on her face. And then also the other challengers
Speaker 2: have been saying that that's just who Yes, she's you know,
Speaker 2: so she's just a great girl. So definitely going to
Speaker 2: give half of my goal starts to her. The other half,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to Kyland for coming in and
Speaker 2: being the mathematician or as Melissa said, math magician.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 2: And give it to Kyland because he came through and
Speaker 2: he listened without the math portion, there was no moving
Speaker 2: of the vehicles.
Speaker 1: So was it a shout out to Ed too? Because
Speaker 1: Ed came in in a moment and did some help
Speaker 1: there as well. And yeah, I as an engineer because
Speaker 1: Ed definitely gives me labrador vibes in like a good way,
Speaker 1: and so I forget that he's an engineer, but he
Speaker 1: is like yes to add on that as well. Such
Speaker 1: a great episode and congratulations to Raven for winning this elimination. Well,
Speaker 1: hopefully this gives her a much needed reset in the house.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to, but hopefully it
Speaker 1: does someone else who hopefully will have an opportunity for
Speaker 1: a much needed reset. Today's guest well Burna, Ooh, we
Speaker 1: got a spicy one. She spice sometime. I think you
Speaker 1: described her as like a sour Patch kid right, like,
Speaker 1: sometimes she's sometimes she sour. You'll see what we're gonna get.
Speaker 1: But I actually think you guys are going to be
Speaker 1: very pleasantly surprised and have a lot of feelings about
Speaker 1: this interview. So I'm excited to hear what you guys
Speaker 1: think about this one. But grab a snack, grab all
Speaker 1: the treats, get comfy, get cozy, maybe get some Sour
Speaker 1: Patch kids, and then cuddle up and listen to this episode.
Speaker 1: With the One the Only Berna Berna coming up right after.
Speaker 2: This, we have yet another amazing guest for you guys.
Speaker 2: This week on the podcast. I am so excited Devin
Speaker 2: and I are being joined by the amazing the Spice
Speaker 2: see the lovable Barna.
Speaker 4: Yes girl, Hey, hi.
Speaker 1: Hi, we are so excited to have you. When now
Speaker 1: we're wondering if we're gonna get spicy Berna today or
Speaker 1: sweet Berner today.
Speaker 4: It's bos in there all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love a good power patch.
Speaker 3: We love a good power patch.
Speaker 1: We do. How did it feel to come back, because
Speaker 1: it's been a while, we were just talking about it, Berner, right,
Speaker 1: it's been what almost two years since we last spoke
Speaker 1: on that Challenge aftermath? How do you feel coming back
Speaker 1: into the Challenge house? Were you excited? Did you do
Speaker 1: anything special to prepare well?
Speaker 4: After my first season, the like, you know, everything went
Speaker 4: so viral and crazy, the attention. It was my first
Speaker 4: time on the American show. It was a dream come true.
Speaker 4: So I was hoping to get a callback like everyone does,
Speaker 4: and you know, for Ride or Dice. I got a
Speaker 4: call back, but we couldn't find like my Ride or
Speaker 4: Die whatever. Padda thought about Nelson, then we thought about
Speaker 4: Turbone that wasn't really working out because these people had
Speaker 4: few people. So I was actually ready since a year before.
Speaker 4: You know, I was ready waiting. So after the season,
Speaker 4: which was amazing because I watched it, I was like,
Speaker 4: well that would like it was a good season. So
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, if there's a chance to come
Speaker 4: back after these kind of rookies again now there were
Speaker 4: like new rookies, I was like whoa, and like it's
Speaker 4: getting better and better. And then I got a callback
Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm ready, let's go.
Speaker 3: That's so crazy you brought that up. I totally forgot you.
Speaker 3: And Nelson had a.
Speaker 4: Thing right, Oh yeah, you know I always talk highly
Speaker 4: about him and I will always do because as a
Speaker 4: person is amazing. As a lover, I don't know, really,
Speaker 4: we weren't real lovers. We were like kind of flirty.
Speaker 1: I mean a little more than flirting burning No.
Speaker 4: No, no for me, no, I mean we were flirting
Speaker 4: and we fell for each other and we truly get
Speaker 4: our characters and stuff. We loved each other as a person,
Speaker 4: but we never became a couple. Couple after the show,
Speaker 4: we tried kind of thing. But you know it's perfect
Speaker 4: like it is now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you guys still keep in touch?
Speaker 4: I mean after everything happened to him, and just start breaking. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wrote him like thousands of times. He talked to
Speaker 4: me whenever he could because it's hard to go through it.
Speaker 4: And I can say that I've been through what he's
Speaker 4: going through. But I lost my leg almost two I
Speaker 4: couldn't work for three years, so I could relate.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been like on survive. I had
Speaker 4: a big fall off and three years of surgery and
Speaker 4: like really no hope. So I could wrote him, write
Speaker 4: him a different kind of motivation, different kind of speech,
Speaker 4: and he truly, like I felt his words when he said, wow,
Speaker 4: like you give me hope, And I was like, just
Speaker 4: don't give up because people will even will be like,
Speaker 4: well it should have been better by now, but you
Speaker 4: know it's it's it's a surprise, it's a I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's a you never know what's going to come. So
Speaker 4: always hopes up, prayers, you know, everything can be amazing again.
Speaker 4: And I wish him the best for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's really sweet of you when you so in
Speaker 1: preparation for coming into this season, and like you said,
Speaker 1: you actually were prepared even last season because you'd gotten
Speaker 1: a call, which I love that insider info. Did you
Speaker 1: plan on coming in as hot as you did, because
Speaker 1: it felt like you just came in like a wrecking ball,
Speaker 1: burn up. What was the strategy behind that?
Speaker 4: I know people don't believe me, and I will say
Speaker 4: it over and over again when I come to any
Speaker 4: kind of sort of done. Until today, I never planned
Speaker 4: to be in a kind of character way or I
Speaker 4: always plan to be the sweet, nice girl that I
Speaker 4: truly am in sight. But of course, when you see
Speaker 4: like I always say, if you're intelligent, or if your
Speaker 4: feeler like you, if you feel the vibes around you
Speaker 4: earlier than anybody else does, then it's it's it's hard
Speaker 4: to explain to the others until they get it, how
Speaker 4: can I explain it? So I felt from the beginning
Speaker 4: something is off, There's some things going on. People will
Speaker 4: not confirm, people will hide these things. And I felt
Speaker 4: it already. I felt like already, like alliances that I
Speaker 4: didn't know of, I felt already that people like to
Speaker 4: my face, I felt those things. And if I feel you,
Speaker 4: look if you're against me or for me or whatever,
Speaker 4: neutral if you're being honest to my face, I can
Speaker 4: work with that. Even if you're not good with me,
Speaker 4: like Melissa was, you know, but if you're like acting
Speaker 4: the girl I didn't know about that and d D
Speaker 4: and then I see and feel different patterns, then I'm like, girl, like,
Speaker 4: don't fuck with me. Just be honest, like.
Speaker 1: At least you think was lying.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, the thing is lot of things
Speaker 4: happened off camera, yes, I would say, and also on camera.
Speaker 1: But behind what happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, so first it's only the do you
Speaker 4: know what, I think a lot of people want to know.
Speaker 4: You know what if I see these seasons, like these episodes,
Speaker 4: I'm like, girl, I didn't know ship. Sometimes I want
Speaker 4: to more things. Yeah, so okay, So what I can
Speaker 4: say is that when we came into the like before
Speaker 4: even the the like when we were flewing into the airport.
Speaker 4: Yet people don't see that me coming from Germany Berlin
Speaker 4: totally by myself, only having my phone, talking to maybe
Speaker 4: few people that I knew who are maybe coming, you know,
Speaker 4: they were like Michelle Emanuel that I knew from my season.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that I didn't know, and
Speaker 4: I don't have to know. It's cool, but few people
Speaker 4: reach out to me. Like Nelson, he was like reaching
Speaker 4: out to a lot of people and telling everyone the
Speaker 4: same thing. Take care of nouris you can work with her.
Speaker 4: So it's going there's things going on behind the scenes,
Speaker 4: which is totally normal on the challenge that I've learned,
Speaker 4: but then I didn't do. It's my second season. And
Speaker 4: also I talked to Michelle since two years and we've
Speaker 4: been really close friends to be honest, like we've always
Speaker 4: checked on each other. And even after the first season,
Speaker 4: we were like praying, like, oh do we get a callback,
Speaker 4: you know, because we wanted to be back on And
Speaker 4: so for me, my trust person was Michelle, and I
Speaker 4: didn't know how close she were with the people. After
Speaker 4: I saw how close they were. So my closest person
Speaker 4: and my heart was of course Emanuel and Michelle. Right,
Speaker 4: So when I came and these American people, they flew
Speaker 4: together out to Croatia, so these people they already made
Speaker 4: talking and vib it and drinking together. You know, things happen.
Speaker 4: So when we arrived, I've been Also that's also a
Speaker 4: nice side note, I've been so sick. Yeah, so until
Speaker 4: three weeks in recording the whole thing, like until the
Speaker 4: third episode, I've been so sick, and you don't see
Speaker 4: it anywhere. Oh, okay, I have fever. I'm on my period.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, crazy, like shaky inside of my body. I
Speaker 4: don't feel myself. I feel extremely stressed because of my
Speaker 4: really physically because in the game. Also, I mean, Devin,
Speaker 4: you know, if people get that you're not on your
Speaker 4: best physical moment, people go for you. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 4: I tried to hide my fever like this, my dad.
Speaker 4: It was too much of hiding. And also, even if
Speaker 4: you see people are fake into your face, you cannot
Speaker 4: call them out straight away because you gotta be you know,
Speaker 4: to be clever, maybe waiting for your moment or whatever.
Speaker 4: So a lot of things went on in the beginning,
Speaker 4: and just for you as an insight in the bus,
Speaker 4: before we chose our rooms, I've asked Michelle and I
Speaker 4: actually didn't ask her. I asked her for a favor.
Speaker 4: I said, Michelle, I really need to be with you
Speaker 4: in a room. She was like why. I was like,
Speaker 4: first of all, I'm sick. Second of all, because of
Speaker 4: my first season, I know that the room is very important,
Speaker 4: right should be? Yeah, the room should be something where
Speaker 4: you load a little bit your energy, where you can
Speaker 4: talk to someone, and of course there can be someone
Speaker 4: from another alliance if you want to play this game, but.
Speaker 1: The space exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: Because for me some I don't want to call out
Speaker 4: anyone here. But I know for a fact, if you're
Speaker 4: not physically or mentally prepared, you you know, you want
Speaker 4: to just be about other alliances strategies. But if you're
Speaker 4: physically strong enough, you don't even always have to talk
Speaker 4: about game because you trust yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's what I asked Michelle. I was like, listen, like,
Speaker 4: I really need someone like you only actually to be
Speaker 4: in a room with.
Speaker 1: Did she say at the time, like, yes, I'll do it,
Speaker 1: or was.
Speaker 4: She she was, Oh my, I mean Michelle is always
Speaker 4: the person who was a pleaser since they won. So
Speaker 4: she said she will always say to everyone exactly what
Speaker 4: they want to hear. So she she said like, yeah,
Speaker 4: if I hear something, I will make a range, like
Speaker 4: I will try And at this point that was already clear.
Speaker 4: Until this day they say no it wasn't, but it was.
Speaker 2: I saw it, you know, you know what I at
Speaker 2: of clarity because in the first episode, we see you
Speaker 2: have this, for lack of a better phrase, a meltdown
Speaker 2: about the room situation. Yeah, because we didn't know what
Speaker 2: was going home behind closed doors. It just looked like
Speaker 2: you were like freaking out for no reason, and so
Speaker 2: we were all concerned, like, why is she having a
Speaker 2: fit about the rooms? It's not that, yeah, but now
Speaker 2: we get you had already tried to make these arrangements.
Speaker 4: That and also totally but it was that. And then
Speaker 4: also Mariah called me out really cloudly in the bus.
Speaker 4: She was like, what are you talking about? And I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm asking politely if I can be in
Speaker 4: a room with Michelle and she was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: we already had the rooms. And then I looked at
Speaker 4: Michelle was like, I thought you didn't have the rooms.
Speaker 4: And then Michelle said, oh, I didn't make up the
Speaker 4: room rooms, and so it was a mess. So wow
Speaker 4: for me. For me, I didn't know Mariah or people.
Speaker 4: They can lie to me. I don't care. But if
Speaker 4: you come to yourself, my friend in this case, Michelle,
Speaker 4: don't you lie to me. You know, like at least
Speaker 4: you and there you know, in this game, if you
Speaker 4: start and you know it goes like two months almost
Speaker 4: and you want to make it to the final and
Speaker 4: you see in the first few days people lied to
Speaker 4: you that you wanted to trust to you fucked.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, anybody really look I like Michelle,
Speaker 1: I like Davon knows where I'm going with this, and
Speaker 1: I like Michelle downs are entertaining. Tom Holland likes Michelle.
Speaker 1: You know. That says a lot. But if your.
Speaker 4: Name survivor Michelle.
Speaker 1: He does he does like Fiber Michelle Michelle. But I
Speaker 1: bet he probably finds entertainment in Challenge Michelle. But can
Speaker 1: you really trust Michelle unless your name is Jay. I
Speaker 1: don't know that she's ever shown that you really.
Speaker 4: You know what, Devin, I want to tell you. I
Speaker 4: would like before this season or the episode now, I
Speaker 4: would have been like, of course you can, you know.
Speaker 4: But now I'm somewhere there where you guys are because
Speaker 4: I saw so the last Challenge A season, you know,
Speaker 4: the USA, So I saw her dirty ways. It reminds
Speaker 4: me of the pattern that I felt as well, So
Speaker 4: I was like, WHOA, what a twist? So and also
Speaker 4: it made so much sense now because she did me
Speaker 4: wrong already, So I blame myself a little bit now.
Speaker 4: After the first season that we did together, she of
Speaker 4: my friend and talk to me almost every day and
Speaker 4: we're on the podcast with Ashley and Amanda and we're
Speaker 4: talking shit about me. So yeah, So it's and then
Speaker 4: after this, because I'm a person, I call out people like.
Speaker 5: You like if you see yeah, I'm like, I may
Speaker 5: be a melt down person crying whatever, but I will
Speaker 5: always ask what's actually your point, even if it's not
Speaker 5: a nice point of view whatever to hear.
Speaker 4: I really want to know what's your point that if
Speaker 4: you want to, like, if you have something against me,
Speaker 4: I want to know why it's cool? But why you know?
Speaker 4: So I call like.
Speaker 3: You like to be stabbed in the front not the bank?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. I I just it's just like it
Speaker 4: brings you nothing if you fake yourself even you know,
Speaker 4: Like I'm like, girl, you don't have to love me,
Speaker 4: And I tell myself, I'm so not perfect. Look at me.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I want to love and then I scream
Speaker 4: I want to do this, and then I do this,
Speaker 4: and but afterwards I'm like, oh, guys, sorry, I sucked off.
Speaker 1: Like I let's let's get into that. Because we saw
Speaker 1: a week or two ago, right, you were talking about
Speaker 1: stresses and it seems like he knows where I'm going
Speaker 1: it seems like we're kind of on the outs with
Speaker 1: the girls in the house and you're sitting on the
Speaker 1: couch and you're talking to Melissa, who is I believe
Speaker 1: a licensed therapist or counsel Colleen, licensed therapist or counselor. Sorry,
Speaker 1: not all blondes look alike a licensed therapist or counselor.
Speaker 1: And Colleen is being like very patient, and she's like
Speaker 1: listening to you, and she's like trying to give advice
Speaker 1: and you use it. Okay, then tell me, tell me where.
Speaker 4: You know you know the moment when like, I will
Speaker 4: just give you all an example so you can actually, yeah,
Speaker 4: you want to know exactly. So it's not about someone
Speaker 4: giving your someone else and advice and this person's like shop,
Speaker 4: I don't want to listen to I'm always open for advice.
Speaker 4: But first of all, you got to check the position
Speaker 4: from the other person. You cannot say I studied this
Speaker 4: and that's why you know better. It's not how it
Speaker 4: works in this world. Yeah, so you gotta if I
Speaker 4: go to the doctor and I have a bump, he's
Speaker 4: gonna position, but he's probably gonna be like hundred percent.
Speaker 4: But how much how much did she work in this
Speaker 4: in this job. You know, there's also a thing I
Speaker 4: don't and I don't want to call her out. It's
Speaker 4: it's not about that, it's about this person like she
Speaker 4: came in totally. Also, so I'm the only person who
Speaker 4: put Colleen into the picture of trust because people didn't
Speaker 4: trust her, okay, and I did. I did back work
Speaker 4: very hardcore in the first two episodes, but it's not
Speaker 4: there was it wasn't airing. But there's Ja and Michelle.
Speaker 4: You can always ask for and they will back me
Speaker 4: up on this. Everybody, Immanuel, Jay and Michelle, which is
Speaker 4: almost everybody because if they say something, people would real listen.
Speaker 4: So Jay always said to me, I trust you Bernad
Speaker 4: because you're someone at least okay, you have a lot
Speaker 4: of drama going on, but at least you were like
Speaker 4: on to my face if I ask, like, where do
Speaker 4: you stand? Yes, So that was always my at least
Speaker 4: people call.
Speaker 1: Me that way. They didn't know.
Speaker 4: They didn't know because of the season before she called
Speaker 4: herself the mole whatever she did, right, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was just trying to be in your business.
Speaker 4: No. I knew from the second that she's the German
Speaker 4: girls that I always meet in Germany because I'm from here.
Speaker 4: These German girls are like so they look untrustworthy, but
Speaker 4: they have a good heart, but they have to talk
Speaker 4: differently to people who are like maybe foreign us or
Speaker 4: maybe well heeded. And she's like also, so how can
Speaker 4: I say by the roots, by the book. So I
Speaker 4: told her everyone like Jay and michaell, no, you can't
Speaker 4: trust her. She's amazing. She had like I have her bag,
Speaker 4: and they all were like, if you tell us that
Speaker 4: you trust her, we can try to trust her. So
Speaker 4: I always fight or not only for me, but also
Speaker 4: for her really truly.
Speaker 1: And when she was on the couch and have the
Speaker 1: complaints that she it's not like she's coming to us
Speaker 1: complaining that I'm just talking saw of the moment on
Speaker 1: the couch.
Speaker 4: No, no, because after this couch moment, I felt bad too.
Speaker 4: And then I went to and I was like, listen,
Speaker 4: I do so much work for you too. That's why
Speaker 4: you don't have so much stress. That's why you can
Speaker 4: easily tell me to chill and come up. But you
Speaker 4: are not the one who's stressing for yourself. I am,
Speaker 4: so please don't give me advice. I do double work
Speaker 4: here and I appreciate your friendship. What I need is
Speaker 4: support only, not like any advice, because if I would
Speaker 4: be sitting back and having a girl working for me,
Speaker 4: I would also give good advice. Believe me.
Speaker 1: Are you usually receptive to advice? How would your friends
Speaker 1: rate you on a scale of one to ten in
Speaker 1: receiving advice or input from friends people you trust?
Speaker 4: Do you you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And like Emaniel, you can ask him too. It's
Speaker 4: not there's a time if I'm in the heat. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there is always hard to listen. But Emmanuel thousand times,
Speaker 4: or like even Jay or Michelle, like, they gave me
Speaker 4: a lot of advice and they weren't wrong. What Colleen
Speaker 4: later on? She gives me advice and.
Speaker 1: You didn't like yeah, yeah better at that time?
Speaker 4: Okay, good even if I listened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you snap sometimes burner makes people want
Speaker 1: to run away.
Speaker 2: A lot of people were you were on edge this season?
Speaker 2: Like really really on edge? Do you feel like you
Speaker 2: were on edge? And if so, what were what was
Speaker 2: your real Like? Do you just feel like I had
Speaker 2: to be on edge because it was just so in there?
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, they're right, I've been on it for sure,
Speaker 4: But I mean I've always tried to still still, you know,
Speaker 4: I went inside of the game sick for real. It was.
Speaker 4: It wasn't funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes it hard.
Speaker 4: It was really hard, really really and I don't want
Speaker 4: any sympathy for it, but I know how it was.
Speaker 4: It was very hard.
Speaker 1: Looking at it now, Bernard, would you have told I
Speaker 1: know before your strategy right of not telling people how
Speaker 1: you were feeling, which makes sense because you're right. If
Speaker 1: they get us in weakness, people are going to, you know,
Speaker 1: use that as an opportunity to vote for you, right,
Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, she's sick. But because the flip
Speaker 1: side of that is that being sick means sometimes you
Speaker 1: can't be your best self, right because you're tired and
Speaker 1: you're not sleeping well, and you can't breathe well and
Speaker 1: you're coughing, you know whatever. Do you think if you
Speaker 1: could go back and start over again, you would tell
Speaker 1: some people you weren't feeling well and like what you're
Speaker 1: struggling with, or do you think you'd still kind of
Speaker 1: keep it a secret.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like later on people like after a week
Speaker 4: or something, people get it, Like people saw it. I
Speaker 4: was coughing, so I felt so unwelcomed and uncomfortable anyway,
Speaker 4: to be honest, like it was a roller coasta because
Speaker 4: if you I mean, even if you're not sick in
Speaker 4: this house and you don't move properly, somebody said season
Speaker 4: and be like, oh that's not good. Yeah, oh people
Speaker 4: make it a big thing. So my it was even
Speaker 4: it wasn't that barm Even in Greatian people got sick
Speaker 4: because of the weather. People said, oh, it's because of Berner.
Speaker 4: She made us sick.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It was crazy like and that's and that's also and
Speaker 4: I don't want to be like I was the victim here,
Speaker 4: but to be honest, people really clept on people really
Speaker 4: quickly had like friends or lovers or romanticism. I was
Speaker 4: like still lost in the in the middle. Yeah, my luck,
Speaker 4: My biggest alliance was what my strengths?
Speaker 1: Yeah, your strengthly to be honest.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, I'd say, Berna, your dance moves, because I thought
Speaker 1: you looked great dancing outside of the tub. I was like, okay, Berna,
Speaker 1: did she work at a club, Like okay, I thought
Speaker 1: you looked great and I didn't see. Now we weren't there,
Speaker 1: so we want to hear your take. But I didn't
Speaker 1: see like, of course there were people giggling doing whatever
Speaker 1: in the hot tub, but I didn't see anyone. It
Speaker 1: didn't look like they were specifically And they tell me
Speaker 1: if you saw this, like, they didn't look like anyone
Speaker 1: was specifically targeting and looking at you making fun of you.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I thought you looked great. So looking
Speaker 1: back at it now, do you feel like watching it
Speaker 1: back on TV, do you feel like they were making
Speaker 1: fun of you? Or tell us a little bit more
Speaker 1: about what happened at like wait, the hot time thing.
Speaker 4: So it's the bullying, and bullying triggered Molly the whole,
Speaker 4: like all the little events until the hot top. So
Speaker 4: it was always, Yeah, it was not only one time.
Speaker 4: It was like a lot of times when I you know,
Speaker 4: I had so much anxiety a lot of times that
Speaker 4: I was in my room, didn't want to I wanted
Speaker 4: to go upstairs to the people because I was so
Speaker 4: scared if I do say something wrong or behave somehow
Speaker 4: wrong in their eyes, because they were little groups already,
Speaker 4: so people already, you know how the hardest thing in
Speaker 4: this world is if somebody made a reception of you
Speaker 4: and you're a different person than.
Speaker 1: This hard to change it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my god, it's so hard. And sometimes you
Speaker 4: find yourself in this perception because they made you believe
Speaker 4: you like this. It's crazy. So I started to be
Speaker 4: annoyed with myself because they were annoyed with me. And
Speaker 4: this was the moment when I was like, whatever I did,
Speaker 4: I hated it. I couldn't even look at myself in
Speaker 4: the mirror anymore and I will never Yeah, it was very,
Speaker 4: very bad. And I try really not to be emotional
Speaker 4: right now, I really say it like from the outside,
Speaker 4: been there, done that. But Olivia came up to me.
Speaker 4: She was like, what is up with you? Like, what's wrong?
Speaker 4: I see something as triggering in you. It does has
Speaker 4: nothing to do with the game anymore. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like I cannot look at myself in the mirror.
Speaker 4: I feel so ugly, I feel so not loved. I'm
Speaker 4: not it's not about alliance anymore. Yeah, and then she
Speaker 4: started to cry. She was like, this is the worst
Speaker 4: that anybody can't feel anywhere, So we gotta change that.
Speaker 4: How can we change it? And I was like, it
Speaker 4: would be nice if you ask me, Like, you know,
Speaker 4: they claim to me sometimes and we're like what's wrong, Burner?
Speaker 4: Are you okay? Burna instead to say good morning, Burner,
Speaker 4: how are you? The questions were so odd. They were
Speaker 4: like always like acting like I'm already in a bad mood.
Speaker 4: I'm already rude, I'm already. So they put me in
Speaker 4: this situation a lot of times. I think, even noticing
Speaker 4: what they did, that's what I really said to Melissa too.
Speaker 4: So even when the moment in the hot top I
Speaker 4: was dancing, I think in the moment when I was dancing,
Speaker 4: they weren't laughing. Really, I didn't even see it because
Speaker 4: I was busy dancing, But I remember I took off,
Speaker 4: I took the speaker on my shoulder and had a
Speaker 4: first time, a good time because I was also a
Speaker 4: little drunk. And I remember when Melissa started with nourice,
Speaker 4: I guess to say, put this speaker down. Put the
Speaker 4: speaker down, and a few seconds ago, like literally a
Speaker 4: few seconds ago, emmany had it on the shoulder and
Speaker 4: nobody said anything, okay, like nobody, nobody, nobody, And that
Speaker 4: was where I went put it down and went to Melissa,
Speaker 4: and no reason was like what is your fucking problem? Girls,
Speaker 4: Like what's the deal, Like why do you see everything
Speaker 4: I do and everyone else would they do like people
Speaker 4: jump from shoulder to shoulder.
Speaker 1: No, it's like Manuel could have the speaker and play
Speaker 1: and do it, but as soon as you did it,
Speaker 1: it became a problem. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes again like oh Burner And I was
Speaker 4: like what, like what like let me live like.
Speaker 2: You know what, I gotta turn my camera on because
Speaker 2: finally I gotta turn my camera on because no, because
Speaker 2: I want to. I want Bernard to see my face
Speaker 2: when I say this. You made a comment where you said,
Speaker 2: you know, eventually you started to believe the things that
Speaker 2: they were saying about you, and you said it was
Speaker 2: hard for you to start looking at yourself. And I
Speaker 2: just want to let you know, baby, this game is
Speaker 2: just that.
Speaker 3: It's a game.
Speaker 2: And you can't ever get so consumed with the way
Speaker 2: that these people feel about you, because they will use
Speaker 2: that as a strategy to try to take you down.
Speaker 2: You are a very strong woman, very opinionated, very straightforward person,
Speaker 2: and that's intimidating to a lot of people. A lot
Speaker 2: of people can't handle that. And so if they can
Speaker 2: put you in a position to make you yourself feel
Speaker 2: weak or weaken you in any kind of way for
Speaker 2: strategic purposes, they'll do that, So never feed into that.
Speaker 2: I do feel like you will get called back again,
Speaker 2: and I do feel like you will go back into
Speaker 2: the game. And when you do, never ever, ever let
Speaker 2: these people put you in a position to feel like
Speaker 2: you are what they say you are.
Speaker 3: Stand firm on who you are before you came into.
Speaker 2: The game at all times, even if you got to
Speaker 2: go look in the mirror and say, hey, my name is.
Speaker 3: Bernad dem and I am who I am, and.
Speaker 2: You know, just remind yourself for who you are, but
Speaker 2: never allow these people to take you out of who
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 4: Ever. Thank you so much. I'm very happy that after
Speaker 4: like the Melissa thing, also even Melissa and people like
Speaker 4: started to see how not funny it is to put
Speaker 4: people down for strategic ways. There's other ways of strategy.
Speaker 4: You know, you can you can not. I mean, you
Speaker 4: can put a person more mentally. You can mentally drain person.
Speaker 4: That's fair enough in the game. But if you if
Speaker 4: you see that this person starts to struggle in sight
Speaker 4: of their being because of kind of like there's a
Speaker 4: fine line between antally strategy and this person doesn't feel
Speaker 4: right mentally anymore like bullying kind of way. And it
Speaker 4: was literally it was very It became really dark. I
Speaker 4: felt like, oh my god, what am I doing here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So speaking of it being a dark place, let's
Speaker 1: go to the lamp breaking. Was it you that broke
Speaker 1: the lamp or was it Melissa? Because it wasn't clear watching.
Speaker 4: So okay, I want to tell you guys. So first
Speaker 4: of all, so I went I asked, no reason, Melissa,
Speaker 4: why for what are they lefting at? Yeah? So this
Speaker 4: is so I put the speaker down. I went to Manissan,
Speaker 4: no reason, and I was like, why are you lefing?
Speaker 4: Tell me right now? It's not about me? Because I
Speaker 4: because this was very clear it was about me. And
Speaker 4: then they and then I said that you guys are
Speaker 4: bullies and they were like getting so sended like they
Speaker 4: were like, do you know what it means in America?
Speaker 4: Do you know what it means in England? And I
Speaker 4: was like, guys know what? I didn't. I didn't know
Speaker 4: what it means because people tried to explain me later,
Speaker 4: but it was exactly what they did. Even though they
Speaker 4: didn't want to do it, they did it. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: they I was in the room, they were laughing about me. Exactly.
Speaker 4: This is a bully and to this day, I will
Speaker 4: talk about this word. It's they kind of bullied me.
Speaker 4: They're not doing it in purpose and stuff, but I
Speaker 4: felt so yeah, totally, and it was they were purposely
Speaker 4: laughing about me. And even if they were saying no,
Speaker 4: because nobody wants to be this person, but they did.
Speaker 4: And I'm not doing this, but.
Speaker 1: Wait, who but who broke the lamp?
Speaker 4: Though? Yeah? And then I after that we tried to
Speaker 4: talk with Melissa about it. She started the scream scream, scream, scream, scream.
Speaker 4: And this is the thing where I'm coming into place,
Speaker 4: is I'm someone I know if somebody screams doesn't mean
Speaker 4: he's right or wrong, because screaming is just like a
Speaker 4: self pianism. It's a traumatizing behavior whatever. I get it.
Speaker 4: But I'm also traumatized with screaming woman because I grew
Speaker 4: up with one. So for me, I wanted to not
Speaker 4: touch her for sure. First of all, she's a beautiful
Speaker 4: woman and the mother and we're on television and I
Speaker 4: did that mistake on Survivor twenty fourteen. I did that
Speaker 4: mistake when I was a child. So I was like
Speaker 4: listening to her. But when you the moment when I
Speaker 4: go down and go back up laughing, This is the
Speaker 4: moment when I start to left that I get really
Speaker 4: out of control of my behavior. Yeah so I was
Speaker 4: very I was so short. Give her some.
Speaker 1: Feel like we're leading up to the fact that you
Speaker 1: were the one who indeed Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: Yeah so I yeah, h so I went back and
Speaker 4: people were like, oh my god, she's insane. And then
Speaker 4: I saw the lamp and gave the lamb like a hit,
Speaker 4: like boom, and this lamp made the own character out
Speaker 4: of it and exploded. It was crazy, and people were like, Okay,
Speaker 4: she's it. But I'm actually very happy that I didn't
Speaker 4: touch anyone by the letter.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's fair. It's not fair to the lamp,
Speaker 1: but it's fair that you didn't touch anyone else. It
Speaker 1: also helped keep you from being at risk of getting
Speaker 1: sent home. But yeah, it wasn't clear about who broke it,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we got that cleared up. I do
Speaker 1: want to take a quick break though. Maybe we do
Speaker 1: a brief moment of silence for the lamp. So stay
Speaker 1: right there. Everyone will be right back after this, all right,
Speaker 1: welcome back everyone. So we got some inklings of some
Speaker 1: other chaos that's not centered around you, But I do
Speaker 1: want to get your take on it, because you're obviously
Speaker 1: in the house. What's going on with Mariah and James?
Speaker 1: Like did she mention that she was still talking to
Speaker 1: bananas in the house at all? Like what? Because we
Speaker 1: see them flirting, Like did James know about the whole
Speaker 1: bananas thing? What's going on at this point in the house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Mariah, I've met her in the house and
Speaker 4: we talked lots of times then also about bananas because
Speaker 4: she you know, she told some people because people were like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, are you sure she was really she
Speaker 4: was very confused. That's that I can confirm that she
Speaker 4: was very confused. But she wasn't confused about James ever.
Speaker 4: She liked James from the beginning she met him. He
Speaker 4: has a great character, by the way, he's an amazing person,
Speaker 4: to be honest, He's a very nice looking man.
Speaker 1: And for the first time on the flight, like flying
Speaker 1: over there was that their first.
Speaker 4: I don't know, they actually got along and closer in
Speaker 4: the house, to be honest, Okay, but there wasn't anything planned,
Speaker 4: nothing before they started in the house with us all together,
Speaker 4: and what I asked to her One day I went
Speaker 4: to Mariah, I was like, I know it's none of
Speaker 4: my business, but people are like, oh my god, what
Speaker 4: is the deal with you in Banannas? And she said,
Speaker 4: she said, Bernard, we are not a couple. We were talking,
Speaker 4: but before I started to come here, I made him
Speaker 4: clear that this what we have doesn't go anywhere because
Speaker 4: it's doesn't it doesn't feel really right, That's what she said.
Speaker 4: But she wasn't there wasn't in a relationship, and she
Speaker 4: wasn't planning to meet someone. But they weren't even in
Speaker 4: a relationship. So for me as a woman, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: what I asked her too, and she said, yeah, they
Speaker 4: both talked about it, that they were like good but
Speaker 4: I mean, of course, she said also he was more
Speaker 4: into her in the end of the time than she.
Speaker 4: But I don't want to talk about them now. I
Speaker 4: don't want to talk for anyone. But I truly felt
Speaker 4: what she said when she said, I do respect him
Speaker 4: and like him a lot, but I never liked him
Speaker 4: like the way I like James. So why should I
Speaker 4: not do this for me when I'm not in a
Speaker 4: relationship with someone. That's what she said.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing that. I know that. In the
Speaker 1: preview for upcoming episodes, we see her in what looks
Speaker 1: to be tears over it.
Speaker 4: So it'll be but she was tearing up because people
Speaker 4: made her feel so so bad.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean maybe it was warranted, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. We'll get there, we'll see. But it feels
Speaker 1: a little shady. It feels a little unclear.
Speaker 4: For me too, For me too, since to this day,
Speaker 4: I was like, girl that she really knew the right right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But you know the thing is, I think sometimes
Speaker 4: I don't know, so emotions are so ricky. I think
Speaker 4: they weren't in a relationship, but they were connected in
Speaker 4: somehow situationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, relationship, but one that had been going a long time.
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see how yeah, and see
Speaker 1: how all that. But let's move to the challenge of
Speaker 1: this week. You guys finally did it. You finally were organized,
Speaker 1: got the communicated, you finally added one plus one and
Speaker 1: saw it equal to the sea. Won the money. I'm
Speaker 1: so round of applause for you guys. Get a beautiful job.
Speaker 1: It looked like actually like a really fun daily challenge.
Speaker 1: What do you think changed about the team? Like, what
Speaker 1: did you guys talk about a strategy beforehand? It just
Speaker 1: seemed like it was much more organized this time. Tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so before that game, the last game was so
Speaker 4: so so messy and so hurtful. We heard each other physically,
Speaker 4: like literally physically we were hurt and it was very draining.
Speaker 4: And also we just saw that it makes no sense
Speaker 4: if all of all of us talk to all of us.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, nobody was hissing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's maybe right that we all know because
Speaker 4: we're all sportive and we all have big opinions blah
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. But can you just come down and
Speaker 4: get the money, like, you know, I don't care anymore,
Speaker 4: Like I need the money and we all need the money,
Speaker 4: so right and this Yeah, when when Tcher explained the game,
Speaker 4: we even when we were standing there, I could feel
Speaker 4: little calmness. It was different than before. Yah. Also, I
Speaker 4: think it's also because in the beginning a lot of
Speaker 4: people want to do too much, you know, so the
Speaker 4: first two weeks you were like, I want show that
Speaker 4: I'm crazy about that, and you know, it was crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, And that's okay. We're somehow still rookies, you know,
Speaker 4: but when it comes to money, we've got to be,
Speaker 4: you know, more professional, and we're not here because we
Speaker 4: were like started yesterday doing this kind of games and shit,
Speaker 4: you know, we got to be a little bit more professional. Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what happened. And also in this game, we had
Speaker 4: perfect people for perfect things to do, like the you know.
Speaker 1: Who mbps were of this this particular like daily challenge?
Speaker 1: Do you who would you say? Like what who were
Speaker 1: the like two guys two girl MVPs for this week's challenge.
Speaker 4: I think Ed was like Ed is a master and
Speaker 4: is so calm and all good a lot of things,
Speaker 4: and one of those is mathematic, Like it's amazing. I'm
Speaker 4: bet that. I'm so fand girling about that. And yeah,
Speaker 4: Michelle did a great job for short. Yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 4: Michelle's just because I remember before that she didn't want
Speaker 4: to do it. I went up to her and I
Speaker 4: was like, you gotta do it, like people listen to you.
Speaker 4: You and Jay are like one of those hosts of
Speaker 4: our group, so please be the host.
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Then I would give it to Kyland and j for
Speaker 4: Shore like for people, yeah they yeah, but all the
Speaker 4: but to be honest, all the people, like all of
Speaker 4: us we worked together. Corey next to me were so loving.
Speaker 4: He always were like, great job for everything was great. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was amazing.
Speaker 1: What did you think when you saw him in this episode?
Speaker 1: So when the girls came, which we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: the deliberation a little bit by the way, because I
Speaker 1: actually think the girls played a smart game. But when
Speaker 1: the girls came to the guys, Corey and I forgot
Speaker 1: who else was in the room, and they said, heye,
Speaker 1: just so you know, we're gonna we're going to burn boats, right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna leave it in the guy's hands, kind of
Speaker 1: giving you some names. And then Corey kind of goes
Speaker 1: on this rant and day I want to know your
Speaker 1: thoughts too. Because Corey started, it felt a little power trippy.
Speaker 1: It did feel a little like, well, they don't know
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Well, now I could just say this,
Speaker 1: I could vote TEAJ and if I went, I mean
Speaker 1: obviously in a pair of felt he can't say that part.
Speaker 1: But it felt it was very comfortable unearned comfort. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Like it felt like you think you're so high up,
Speaker 1: but you haven't earned it. And that's just in conjunction
Speaker 1: with some of the messiness we've seen in the last
Speaker 1: couple episodes around Big Tea, around where it seems like
Speaker 1: maybe one thing was said but another thing was done. So, Bernard,
Speaker 1: what was your take watching that? And Day Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: your vibe and watching it as well?
Speaker 4: First of all, I want to say, all of this
Speaker 4: what I saw with you guys on this episode, I
Speaker 4: didn't know about until the last minute. People took me
Speaker 4: off of any plan until the last second. Really, yeah,
Speaker 4: so it wasn't you know. That's also a shit. It's
Speaker 4: so funny when they say all the girls knew about
Speaker 4: the planet. Yeah, well I am a woman. I didn't.
Speaker 4: I knew about it the last very second. Raven know
Speaker 4: about it the last very second, I guess because as
Speaker 4: I said, like in the beginning, as we see some
Speaker 4: other people have the strings in the hands and act
Speaker 4: like everybody knows about the strings, right, nobody did, right?
Speaker 4: So I think the guys wasn't again, weren't against the
Speaker 4: plan and like specific against the plan, but they were
Speaker 4: like so laid on in brought into it. So they
Speaker 4: were like what if they plan on actually, you know,
Speaker 4: throwing us off and making another.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, the guys who really hate now we
Speaker 1: saw a couple confessionals. So first there was who called
Speaker 1: I think Hugh We called the girls cowardly. Corey said
Speaker 1: it means it could you know, you lose control that
Speaker 1: way and it cannot you go your way, fun Factory.
Speaker 1: Even though this part of the game is called control,
Speaker 1: you have not you have not. You guys have none
Speaker 1: at all, So they're not really losing control like that.
Speaker 1: I see nothing. But yeah, what what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: about them saying that that was a weak game move?
Speaker 1: Do you think it was smart for the girls too?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean I think the guys, like especially Corey and
Speaker 4: Chewey said it this way, but they don't especially mean
Speaker 4: this way because I know Corey and I know Korey.
Speaker 4: I won't talk for Corey, not too much, but I
Speaker 4: know that he's not someone who's getting a poor trip
Speaker 4: out of very second of power. But he's doing sometimes
Speaker 4: he can't read the room. And also I think he
Speaker 4: wanted to call out those people like Olivia, Nourice and
Speaker 4: Mariah to say, hey, girls, you just want to clean
Speaker 4: your ass because you don't want to say Raven, but
Speaker 4: actually you wanted to say Raven, So why don't you
Speaker 4: say Raven.
Speaker 1: Because it was smart of them not to say Raven exactly.
Speaker 4: But that's what no. I just tried to explain what no, no, no, all.
Speaker 1: I know I'm not directing this at Hubert. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: I agree with your theory of what he was passive
Speaker 1: as were trying to say. But I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just feel like he's very like he led the charge
Speaker 1: of trying to get big Ta out a couple episodes
Speaker 1: sodes ago, and then now it seems like he feels
Speaker 1: like there's power and anytime someone doesn't say a name,
Speaker 1: that's okay, like there I actually and just yeah, it
Speaker 1: could be strategy. And anytime you vote the same way
Speaker 1: the group does, that could also be seen this week
Speaker 1: like it's all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm with you Devan on that.
Speaker 4: Because I was never part of this. When people were like, oh,
Speaker 4: why are you not showing your colors or like when
Speaker 4: they talked about it in this in the deliberation and
Speaker 4: some people started to change their mind, I was like,
Speaker 4: be with the group whatever, another alliance says, just just like,
Speaker 4: don't you know, Like as Corey, I would have been like, okay, cool,
Speaker 4: so and then I would go to my alliance and
Speaker 4: be like, Okay, guys, we're gonna do this, but next time,
Speaker 4: before we are the next ones, let's like, let's be
Speaker 4: safe that we are not the next ones.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, in the UK, I agree with.
Speaker 2: The Chancey vote though, or was it the big the
Speaker 2: UK get this burning thing before?
Speaker 4: Didn't they? Yeah, they did, but this was something. So
Speaker 4: it's always the different kind of situation, of course, and
Speaker 4: with Chauncey it was a different kind of situation. We
Speaker 4: didn't know what Chancey's up to because he tried to
Speaker 4: be like like in our eyes. We didn't know because
Speaker 4: with the people he wanted to work with, he started
Speaker 4: to be with another group, and.
Speaker 2: So concept of burning a vote that happened, you know,
Speaker 2: And I'm just trying to figure out if Corey had
Speaker 2: the same energy with that situation.
Speaker 4: But in the history of the challenge, it's always burning
Speaker 4: some votes and because of strategies. I don't get it.
Speaker 4: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: It's the standard. It's a weird standard. When people do that,
Speaker 1: it's just weird, Like.
Speaker 4: You know what I've learned. I've learned I've learned from city,
Speaker 4: Like you know, you gotta do what you gotta do
Speaker 4: until you're like in the.
Speaker 1: Bag, you know, Yeah, don't wave your gun, don't pull
Speaker 1: your shots. And if there was any unsolicited advice or
Speaker 1: I would give you. And I say unsolicited because I
Speaker 1: know you didn't ask for it, and it is okay,
Speaker 1: you can probably throw it away. I will feeling I
Speaker 1: love it, but I am just going to share it,
Speaker 1: all right, sister to sister, all right. In playing this
Speaker 1: game and strategy, I love that you are a direct communicator,
Speaker 1: and I love people in the game where you know
Speaker 1: where they stand, Like I love that so much way
Speaker 1: more than people where you are side eyeing them and
Speaker 1: you never really know. However, the same way we're talking
Speaker 1: about how burn boats can be good strategy, because it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, don't pull your weapons out of the
Speaker 1: holster until you absolutely have to. If you don't have
Speaker 1: to yet, save it, right, like save the bullets or
Speaker 1: save the whatever. Don't don't kind of wave your hand
Speaker 1: and show people what you're doing until you really really
Speaker 1: have to and you thought three steps ahead. I think
Speaker 1: the same can be true and how you communicate things
Speaker 1: with people. So people are getting on your nerves or
Speaker 1: people are doing things you don't like. I think even
Speaker 1: if you come at them with a slightly softer approach,
Speaker 1: it's kind of that keep your friends close, keeping your
Speaker 1: enemy's closer thing. It doesn't mean that you have to
Speaker 1: be you know, uh yeah, It just means that you
Speaker 1: you kind of stored away so that you can use
Speaker 1: it when it best works for you, rather than everyone
Speaker 1: seeing exactly like, oh, we know exactly who Burn is
Speaker 1: mad at today, or we know exactly how to get
Speaker 1: burna upset, or we know exactly how to make like
Speaker 1: Davon said.
Speaker 4: Exactly the way.
Speaker 1: Just keep it kind of use it strategically, because then
Speaker 1: it's much more powerful than this idea of oh I've
Speaker 1: got to like if I don't like someone right now,
Speaker 1: or if someone does something right now, I've got to
Speaker 1: tell them right now that doesn't sue you. And getting
Speaker 1: towards the end, I'm gonna keep Yeah.
Speaker 4: I want yeah, I want to say thank you. First
Speaker 4: of all, Devin, for sure, thank you so much. Next
Speaker 4: time before I go, I call you, you can. The
Speaker 4: second thing what I want to say is truly, you
Speaker 4: know when the beginning, in the beginning of my first
Speaker 4: season and after coming back to Berlin to Germany and
Speaker 4: people from here, they were like, hey, you got to
Speaker 4: call back again. Why do you go to the show again,
Speaker 4: because normally you don't go twice to shows like this.
Speaker 4: And I was also like, yeah, it's I think it's
Speaker 4: it's it's normal this per like this show, get going
Speaker 4: this way now now for the first time after the
Speaker 4: second time there, I understood of being back to back
Speaker 4: there or coming more seasons because exactly that is what
Speaker 4: you learn. Yes, so I think from season to season,
Speaker 4: you see, even if you're an amazing person inside, you
Speaker 4: got to learn how to bring it to the other side.
Speaker 4: Then do you have to be this amazing person all
Speaker 4: the time? Do you maybe can be not that amazing
Speaker 4: but still nice but you know going or do you
Speaker 4: want to just get the money or do you want
Speaker 4: to get more character things or you know, you learn
Speaker 4: and learn and learn. And what I've learned for sure,
Speaker 4: even after these three episodes watching it's like, oh wow, Berna.
Speaker 4: Because I'm a self critical person, never say like I
Speaker 4: was always right, I'm not this person because I know,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm coming from a childhood with a lot
Speaker 4: of traumas, so I know I do sometimes I get
Speaker 4: the emotions the best of me, and then I do
Speaker 4: sometimes behave wrong. I don't want to lie about that
Speaker 4: because I stopped laying to myself a long time ago.
Speaker 4: So I know it's hard. But exactly what you just said,
Speaker 4: I want to try and try to be better at
Speaker 4: better at the things that you now said. See you
Speaker 4: told me once other people did me wrong. Even all
Speaker 4: these things they're the biggest lessons. Or even people who
Speaker 4: went to the final but shady, but then other people
Speaker 4: who went to the final but loving. So I see
Speaker 4: all of these things. So who do you want to
Speaker 4: become on the Challenge? You know I'm there. I'm totally there,
Speaker 4: and I for me, I wrote things don't if I
Speaker 4: ever come back, I.
Speaker 1: Love that, you know, yeah, and that if you come
Speaker 1: back burner when you went back, bro you. But we
Speaker 1: also don't know how this season plays out, so don't
Speaker 1: give us any spoilers. We don't know yet.
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 1: Are a Challenge staple you. The fact that they even
Speaker 1: called you for ride or dies to see if you're available, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they clearly love you. The audience resonates with you, you're
Speaker 1: definitely going to be back, and you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: It is a learning lesson, Like that's the cool thing
Speaker 1: about the challenges. Yes, you get to be whoever you
Speaker 1: want to be in the Challenge House, but if you
Speaker 1: do it right, it also is an opportunity to really
Speaker 1: learn about yourself and you can use it for growth
Speaker 1: or you can use it to stay in the same place. Now,
Speaker 1: speaking of growth, let's talk about the opportunity for people
Speaker 1: to grow. And these speeches that they keep given at deliberation. Now,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, we after week burn of people just with
Speaker 1: their foot in their mouths with these speeches. What were's
Speaker 1: your thought when? I actually think yours was one of
Speaker 1: the better ones. I think it was actually the probably
Speaker 1: the only one we've seen so far where it didn't
Speaker 1: make you look worse. It was good, It made sense,
Speaker 1: it was it made me not one of both for you.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, you know what, that's fair,
Speaker 1: like good, she's working on it, Like great, what do
Speaker 1: you think Raven's speech? Or sorry, now, yeah, what do
Speaker 1: you think Raven's speech was?
Speaker 4: So? First of all, even though I English is not
Speaker 4: my main language, I don't understand what they why they're
Speaker 4: using the wrong words. I don't. I don't, I just don't.
Speaker 4: I'm like, girl, that's your language. You could put everything
Speaker 4: out there and make me look like shit right now,
Speaker 4: and still you don't get it. Like it's not even
Speaker 4: just about Raven, it's also Chauncy also Jessica, what is
Speaker 4: even like I don't work with all of you? What
Speaker 4: you would work with all of us? Exactly what we
Speaker 4: don't want? Yeah? Been you here? Like do you know
Speaker 4: anything about the challenge? Like? No? So for me when
Speaker 4: Raven talked, it was a good start, but then she
Speaker 4: lost it. Yeah, you know when she said for me,
Speaker 4: for me, deliberations always for me, just for me, because
Speaker 4: I like these kind of things. As I said, I
Speaker 4: stopped lying to myself a long time ago. This is
Speaker 4: exactly what I don't do on deliberation. I won't like
Speaker 4: to myself because you know, guys, like if somebody lies
Speaker 4: to themselves or to you, you know, you're like, what
Speaker 4: are you even talking about? Like do you buy yourself
Speaker 4: your ship? Like that? You're like, that's stupid yea, even
Speaker 4: if you did wrong. Yeah, even in this case, Raven
Speaker 4: said something to Kieran, just say hey, I was emotional.
Speaker 4: I like this guy, I locked my side and I
Speaker 4: want to come back to it, like I did a
Speaker 4: mistake and if you want to do me, do me,
Speaker 4: but I will not do it again. And people will
Speaker 4: consider that. Yes, But if you're like, yeah, but I
Speaker 4: said it because I tried and them and then and
Speaker 4: then in the interview you say you regret it, it's
Speaker 4: too late. Not there say it in front of the people, please,
Speaker 4: you know, and you know I shouldn't maybe give this advice,
Speaker 4: but people stop lying like we get it, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just you know, I really did a lot of
Speaker 4: people kind of of course, they put me in kind
Speaker 4: of situations. That's that's why I was rude and not
Speaker 4: good behaving. But in the end of the time, I
Speaker 4: could have chosen to be behaved differently and I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I truly were sorry. And I don't say it
Speaker 4: to be the hero on the game, not at all.
Speaker 4: Come on, I was like very messy a lot of times,
Speaker 4: like inside of me mood.
Speaker 1: We love a queen who owns up to her stuff
Speaker 1: though you know what, you get an applause for that
Speaker 1: to Berna. We love someone up and be like, you know, what.
Speaker 1: I was an asshole that time, but I appreciate that,
Speaker 1: and I think that's why your speech came off as
Speaker 1: much more relatable and you know, just helpful. Do you
Speaker 1: think that was the thing that helped keep you out
Speaker 1: of elimination that week? Because we both thought I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: and just for the listeners, by the way, just a
Speaker 1: little aside. So listeners constantly are saying, oh, whoever you
Speaker 1: have on as a guest, we know that means that
Speaker 1: person got eliminated. That is actually not true. I've tried
Speaker 1: to tell some of you guys in my DMS that
Speaker 1: that's not true. But not only is it not true,
Speaker 1: because we like to watch, I like to watch in
Speaker 1: real time. I usually ask our producer, our team for
Speaker 1: no spoilers. So when we have guests on, we don't
Speaker 1: even know what the outcome is for that guest yet,
Speaker 1: Like we don't know, so like we we're you know,
Speaker 1: when we start the interview with Berna, we don't know,
Speaker 1: is she here because she got eliminated? Is she here
Speaker 1: because she beat someone? Is she here because we don't
Speaker 1: actually go to the end. So so just for those
Speaker 1: when you see the podcast titled and you see or
Speaker 1: who our guest is. Please know that does not mean
Speaker 1: that you you know what.
Speaker 4: They can think whatever they want. But I can just
Speaker 4: say I didn't even know. I didn't even know how
Speaker 4: it will go, you know, And you know it's crazy
Speaker 4: the challenge. You never know. You could be going in
Speaker 4: and go home. You could be going in and be
Speaker 4: the beast of the day.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you think walking in that day though,
Speaker 1: or like walking to the arena, that people wouldn't say
Speaker 1: your name? Like had you heard that the boys were
Speaker 1: going to likely be saying Raven or so?
Speaker 4: I really is this I can say for sure, like
Speaker 4: what I've been good at since I'm a chi I'm
Speaker 4: good with boys. I am a tomboy. I am speaking
Speaker 4: the language of a lot of boys, and I don't
Speaker 4: I mean like the straight or words into your face
Speaker 4: kind of way. And all these boys in this kind
Speaker 4: of case, they liked it. So when I went to
Speaker 4: the room to day, I straight away said like, like,
Speaker 4: do you have any question about me as my personality
Speaker 4: or loyalty? If so, let me know. And they were
Speaker 4: like Bernard, no, but please stop, like stop being in
Speaker 4: the drama. And I was like, please, guys, you gotta
Speaker 4: believe me. It's not me putting myself into but they did.
Speaker 4: They truly believe my words because they know I'm not
Speaker 4: like trying to overplay people with something. So I had
Speaker 4: this luck. Yeah, I had this luck that my boys
Speaker 4: always been there for me. So I never felt safe
Speaker 4: because of the boys. But I knew if I have
Speaker 4: enough enough boys in the house, who backs me up?
Speaker 4: It's my number. My number is more there, you know.
Speaker 4: And also don't forget and I don't want to put
Speaker 4: myself up up there, but it's the control portion of
Speaker 4: the game. So it means you can't choose who you
Speaker 4: want to go.
Speaker 1: Again, who would you chose that if it was you, Berner,
Speaker 1: who would you pull down?
Speaker 4: Oh? You know it's I think, you know. For a
Speaker 4: long time, I was thinking to break up Alliance, which
Speaker 4: was like coming from Nourice, you know, you know, I
Speaker 4: felt like Nourie is a big big like this girl's
Speaker 4: like Alliance like Olivia, Nourice, Mariah and Raven. I was
Speaker 4: like not feeling well with these girls. So I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, big tim Melissa, it's not yet the time
Speaker 4: we can go there. Whatever, And Melissa and me got
Speaker 4: along a little better as you see. So I was like, hmmm,
Speaker 4: who is also a little like having good hands everywhere
Speaker 4: and a little quiet and know from the best how
Speaker 4: to behave in this Nelson, I was like, nourice, maybe
Speaker 4: I would go there.
Speaker 1: That would have been a spice and spy.
Speaker 4: Do you think you would have I mean, I saw
Speaker 4: the wrestle and I won't. You never know in the
Speaker 4: you know, like I look at Ember. Look at Ember.
Speaker 4: She's very skinny, and I thought she's a queen and wrestle,
Speaker 4: So you never know. But I know my ability, and
Speaker 4: I would say I would have won. But it was
Speaker 4: not even just wrestle. But if I would have catched her,
Speaker 4: I would have catched her. Raven was going to pick you. No, no,
Speaker 4: no's a this that I can say. Before we started
Speaker 4: to go in, we promised each other. I promised her
Speaker 4: and she promised me. Whoever goes down there, Yeah, we
Speaker 4: don't call each other as each other down because we
Speaker 4: already stressed so much in the house the whole time
Speaker 4: we got arrest.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that you guys are in an alliance now,
Speaker 1: like now that she's coming back into the house, does
Speaker 1: that mean you are raving?
Speaker 4: I think we never talked about it. But I can
Speaker 4: just confirm that we really talked about like this time around,
Speaker 4: if you go down, I don't.
Speaker 1: Because I was like going okay, yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Also I wasn't. What can I say? I think people
Speaker 4: in this game knew how strong physically I am, and
Speaker 4: I am physically strong. You know that I can say,
Speaker 4: and people know it's it's not a secret because I've
Speaker 4: been in Acrobat and I do MMA and stuff. So
Speaker 4: when it comes to physically things, people won't choose me.
Speaker 4: I knew it when I when I saw it, I
Speaker 4: was like, okay, I'm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, You're like, they don't want this smoke. Why do
Speaker 1: you think Raven picked Hui, who, by the way, seemed
Speaker 1: like the sweetest personally.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ever, she just seemed like a little ray of sunshine.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Hui. Why do you think the.
Speaker 4: First of all, Hui was really always laughing and saying
Speaker 4: those things that she said because some people are doing
Speaker 4: it for camera, right, some people are these persons, And
Speaker 4: she was so cute, she was so supured, And yeah,
Speaker 4: Raven picked your Hui. Because to be honest, if you
Speaker 4: like her or not Raven in this case, or even
Speaker 4: if you like anyone who's going down there. It's not
Speaker 4: a time to show how crazy strong you're right if
Speaker 4: you want to go, Yeah, if you go to the final,
Speaker 4: if it's not your friend and you're not an alliance
Speaker 4: with and she is not that strong picker, why not?
Speaker 4: Why would you go for Bernard or even Colleen? I mean,
Speaker 4: Colleen maybe looks smaller, but there's for Hui, who's because
Speaker 4: we saw each other on the games and who was
Speaker 4: physically not that packed as I would say, as Colleen,
Speaker 4: because Colleen has looked a little bit stronger. So or
Speaker 4: even like Zaza, I would pick like Zasa or who
Speaker 4: may be also you know I will in this case
Speaker 4: even if I wouldn't go for Nourice because maybe if
Speaker 4: I come back I have a lot of stress with
Speaker 4: the house, I would have gone for Zasa maybe because
Speaker 4: Zara is very good and everything, but maybe not the
Speaker 4: rest because their arms are like sticks.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that makes sense. And you know Bernard,
Speaker 1: so we know that you're in acrobat we know that
Speaker 1: you do MMA and you also for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: you played three seasons of Survivor Turkey. How does the
Speaker 1: challenge compare to doing Survivor in Turkey and what things
Speaker 1: did you take from that game that you brought to
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 4: Okay, so it's so funny. So when I had a Survivor,
Speaker 4: I've been a child. I was like twenty three, four
Speaker 4: and seven, and I've been they're also very one of
Speaker 4: the good girls for sure, and early on, I've learned
Speaker 4: that when you're good in something anywhere in this world
Speaker 4: and a woman to be, it's not so much with applause.
Speaker 4: People will yeah, yeah, it's so it's weird. Until you're
Speaker 4: not a cham or a rising star, people will not clip.
Speaker 4: If you're working your way up, people are mostly like, oh,
Speaker 4: finding something. So I've learned that been I've been like
Speaker 4: I was ready for backlash back. Yeah, I was like
Speaker 4: ready for backlash, like, oh she's not that strong or something,
Speaker 4: you know, And so I was like, don't be good, like,
Speaker 4: don't be don't have an ego, don't think you're the
Speaker 4: And I also learned, don't underestumate people. So no, no, no,
Speaker 4: you can be the strongest of fastest, because look, I've
Speaker 4: been on Survival with people who were in the Olympics
Speaker 4: running second. She came second, and I want her in running,
Speaker 4: so it's crazy. You never know. And even though I
Speaker 4: did all of these things like Survivor, that doesn't mean
Speaker 4: I'm the best. Yeah, but what I've learned. What I've
Speaker 4: learned is that I I'm too nice you No, no,
Speaker 4: I'm too nice. No no, no no, I'm too nice. And
Speaker 4: not even in this way. I mean nice, not the words,
Speaker 4: but my heart is to naive. I believe a lot
Speaker 4: of things what people say to.
Speaker 1: Me because you're a straightforward person, so I think you
Speaker 1: make people you expect people to be the same way.
Speaker 1: I totally yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been so shocked this season you will see
Speaker 4: so much more I've been. My jawline was on the ground.
Speaker 2: Ha wow, well you know, and I already told us
Speaker 2: that the timers tick tick tick tick, ticket and chas.
Speaker 1: About the errupt.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about this chaos coming? Are you needles?
Speaker 3: You're nervous? How you feeling?
Speaker 4: That's crazy? Man? You should have been all in this
Speaker 4: house with us, guys, because now we know what happened.
Speaker 4: But back then we were sitting in the bugging room
Speaker 4: and we were like, what chaos because it's already like,
Speaker 4: it's so chaotic.
Speaker 1: It already was chaotic. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: But so me, I was always hoping like this control
Speaker 4: portion is like as a group, right, we were like
Speaker 4: one team. I was hoping for split thing up. I
Speaker 4: mean yeah, I was like, you know, I don't want
Speaker 4: to be with those people, even though they're now getting
Speaker 4: more close and nice to me, I don't want to
Speaker 4: work with them because I want to And that's for
Speaker 4: me if I'm having because as a team, you it
Speaker 4: called control, but you don't have so much.
Speaker 1: Contright you know.
Speaker 4: It was like you have to listen to the boys
Speaker 4: all the time as women, and I was like, no,
Speaker 4: I want to be my own boy. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, were there any conversations that there could possibly be
Speaker 2: you know, uh, that's coming back.
Speaker 4: This was the like all the time it was going
Speaker 4: on because in the beginning, when you don't forgot in
Speaker 4: the first first night, we saw a lot of names. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So for me, I only knew city from these names
Speaker 4: and I think Tori and Devin. Other than that, I
Speaker 4: never saw anyone out on KC. I saw from the
Speaker 4: names on. But other than that, like the ones also
Speaker 4: like bananas or like people coming in out in the
Speaker 4: seasons and these games I never met and I always
Speaker 4: wanted to meet because from a sportive woman to a
Speaker 4: sportive persona, I want to see more beasts.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you know, Okay, you know I was like,
Speaker 1: let them come in and let me spicy burner, all right.
Speaker 4: I was so ready. I was like even like, you know,
Speaker 4: I always said, like chaos, it just sounds like home
Speaker 4: I've been, you know, I grew up in a chaotic household,
Speaker 4: and let's go there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I know it's gonna definitely get chaotic for anyone
Speaker 1: who wants to follow along with you, Berner in your
Speaker 1: chaos and your sweetness and all that. If they want
Speaker 1: to follow you on social media, where can they do that?
Speaker 1: Where can they find you? Well?
Speaker 4: My Instagram is Berner John Baideck Official. It's very hard,
Speaker 4: but I think you can just write Berner from the
Speaker 4: challenge on Google and then the interim I'm the pop
Speaker 4: up personal and other than that, I don't have any Now.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you came. Yeah, Oh my gosh, you wonderful.
Speaker 1: Can I say that? Like you can come across as
Speaker 1: rough around the edges when watching the show, but every
Speaker 1: time we talk, like your energy it really is like
Speaker 1: a light and it's fun and like it's it's a really,
Speaker 1: it's a joy. And I'm so glad that you weren't
Speaker 1: in the arena this week. I'm so glad that we
Speaker 1: can keep watching you that you're gonna be back, and
Speaker 1: you know, you're so glad to have you in the
Speaker 1: Challenge family because you're definitely so I just want.
Speaker 4: To say, you know, it's always how the people in
Speaker 4: front of you are giving you the space and platform.
Speaker 4: And thank you for giving me to be myself. Yeah platform.
Speaker 4: Really it's hard sometimes when you've been like somewhere and
Speaker 4: people are like, oh, she's coming on and then there
Speaker 4: behave this way, So thank you, and also to all
Speaker 4: the listeners. And you know, the challenge makes sense if
Speaker 4: you watch it from the beginning to the end, so
Speaker 4: please wait for it and look at and it's crazy
Speaker 4: what happens, like really, I promise you it will be crazy.
Speaker 4: All these twists and changes. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Really wow, ooh, the best teaser ever. Thank you, Berna,
Speaker 1: And yes you guys keep watching because I know this
Speaker 1: season is only again to get better and better. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, burn up for being here. So you
Speaker 1: love to Cold Berlin. Oh yes, sending you, sending you
Speaker 1: warm hugs, although it's not that warm over here right now,
Speaker 1: but still sending it your way and excited to see
Speaker 1: you continue on in the game. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: To talk soon.
Speaker 1: Bye all right, thank you byey.
Speaker 4: Woo.
Speaker 1: That was a hot interview and I loved it. I
Speaker 1: feel like we really got to see a different side
Speaker 1: of Berna and I'm so glad that we did. Like I,
Speaker 1: I will say, I am now a burna fanel. I
Speaker 1: like people who value personal growth, and you can tell
Speaker 1: that she does so such a fan. I'm also a
Speaker 1: fan of yours day and if anybody else wants to
Speaker 1: be a fan of yours? Where can they find you?
Speaker 1: On social media? Don't you say? YouTube in church? Come
Speaker 1: get a word? No you can.
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at day Devon, Underscore, Instagram,
Speaker 2: Davon Diane, Underscore, TikTok Day.
Speaker 1: Diane, and the YouTube a Davon Diane.
Speaker 3: Where can the people find you, miss Devin?
Speaker 1: They can find me under your YouTube comments wondering about
Speaker 1: when the next video is coming out. But you can
Speaker 1: also find me on my website devinsimone dot com. This
Speaker 1: done with why simoone with an I Someone I saw
Speaker 1: commented why do I say my name like that. I
Speaker 1: do it because there's still a lot of people who
Speaker 1: don't know how to spell it, and I found that
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Speaker 1: you can see all my socials there. You can also
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