Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and get Kid and he Armstrong and Getty to
Speaker 2: the media outlets and political left streaming endless wars. Stop.
Speaker 2: This is not a rack. This is not endless. I
Speaker 2: was there for both. Our generation knows better, and so
Speaker 2: does this president. He called the last twenty years of
Speaker 2: nation building wars dumb, and he's right. This is the opposite.
Speaker 2: This operation is a clear, devastating, decisive mission. Destroy the
Speaker 2: missile threat, destroy the navy, no nukes. Boy, that is
Speaker 2: something for the Republican Administration's Secretary of Defense or second
Speaker 2: Vitoria of War to come out and say those wars
Speaker 2: were dumb since they were launched, you know under Bush.
Speaker 3: That's pretty powerful.
Speaker 1: Right, And there is a question, Well, there's kind of
Speaker 1: regime change in mind, but how much nobody's sure. But
Speaker 1: to discuss this in other matters, it's always great to
Speaker 1: talk to military analyst Mike Lyons, who joins us now.
Speaker 2: Hello, Mike, how are you.
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, good to be back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty interested in your tweet. Iran will
Speaker 2: attempt to execute something we have really never seen before
Speaker 2: when a war of attrition in the air.
Speaker 3: Explain what you meant by that.
Speaker 4: So we understand regular wars of attrition. They take place
Speaker 4: on the ground against industrialized nations that just you know,
Speaker 4: grind each other out. We're seeing it happen in Ukraine
Speaker 4: right now in Russia, but we haven't seen it in
Speaker 4: the air before. And it's all about air defense platforms
Speaker 4: and air defense systems versus attack air capability. Because this
Speaker 4: war right now is all in the air. It's all
Speaker 4: you know. We've launched our missiles and our planes against
Speaker 4: the Ranes, and all they have is missiles that come
Speaker 4: back at us. And so from their perspective, and the
Speaker 4: economics of theater missile defense are not in our favor
Speaker 4: because of the cost it takes to defend versus the
Speaker 4: cost to go on the attack. The Iran fires one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars ballistic missile at Israel or at one
Speaker 4: of our allies, and we spend a million dollars in
Speaker 4: multiple different ways to intercept that down and we're running
Speaker 4: out of those interceptors, and so the math doesn't work.
Speaker 4: And so what Iran's going to try to do is
Speaker 4: to make multiple different targets all around the theater. We're noticing,
Speaker 4: for example, why are they hitting targets of their neighboring
Speaker 4: countries in the Middle East. Well, it's because it's causing
Speaker 4: the missile defense theater to spread out its defense capabilities. Okay,
Speaker 4: so now now you're not You know, we stocked up
Speaker 4: with the Gerald Ford on the Mediterranean side, but now
Speaker 4: the Abraham Lincoln is now in that game, and then
Speaker 4: using these other countries. Russell saw a mistake. The Katari's
Speaker 4: down American F thirty five's there, probably by a mistake.
Speaker 4: They should have recognized that was a friendly fire situation,
Speaker 4: but they didn't. So they're new in the combat game.
Speaker 4: So again overall in as a result of this, the
Speaker 4: Uranians are going to try to fire multiple different ballistic
Speaker 4: missiles to a trip down the allies i'll call it
Speaker 4: American and Israeli defense systems and forcing us to deplete
Speaker 4: all our stocks before we've before they've gotten rid of
Speaker 4: all of theirs.
Speaker 1: Clearly, the answer to that conundrum is to take out
Speaker 1: their capacity to fire all those missiles. How optimistic are
Speaker 1: you that we can do serious damage?
Speaker 4: Right? That's the thing that the Secretary of Heads, I
Speaker 4: said yesterdays when I was going back and forth with
Speaker 4: my son about that this kind of you know, arrows
Speaker 4: and archers, you know, going after the arrows, and then
Speaker 4: they go after the archers. You won't get the arrows.
Speaker 4: I'm confident I think that that's why we use the
Speaker 4: element of surprise to go after a lot of them
Speaker 4: in the beginning. It reminds me of scud hunting back
Speaker 4: in ninety one when we did that during desert storm
Speaker 4: as we had to do the same thing similar But
Speaker 4: like anything else, some will get through, and you know,
Speaker 4: we can't go through what we did six months ago.
Speaker 4: Six months ago the United States fired about one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty THAD those high altitude air defense missiles and
Speaker 4: we can only manufacture about thirty of them a year,
Speaker 4: and so we took five years of inventory out out
Speaker 4: and use it just last June in that mission. And
Speaker 4: we only you know, again we because of the complexity
Speaker 4: of how their manufacturer rare worth minerals and specialized folks
Speaker 4: that do that, you know, we just can't produce them.
Speaker 2: We're not.
Speaker 4: We just can't put another assembly line and produce it.
Speaker 4: So again, the economics don't work, and so so again
Speaker 4: we've got to protect them and recognize that we're going
Speaker 4: to have to do other things in order to take
Speaker 4: out their ballistic missiles and really go hunt them down.
Speaker 2: Just to back up a little bit, has there ever
Speaker 2: in world history been anything like the decapitation operation that
Speaker 2: happened over the weekend.
Speaker 4: I think sure. I mean, this is Israel m this
Speaker 4: is how they operate. This is part of their deterrence strategy. Frankly,
Speaker 4: then if you decide to go to war with Israel,
Speaker 4: they respond keen x with anything that you might come
Speaker 4: back at you. But the first thing they're going to
Speaker 4: do is go after their leadership. Now, the United States
Speaker 4: can't do that. There's an executive order signed by Ronald
Speaker 4: Reagan going back forty years now that says the United
Speaker 4: States won't assassinate heads of state. I think it's a
Speaker 4: slippery slope for us to do that. It gives a
Speaker 4: credence for other countries to try to do that to
Speaker 4: our president. That's not to say they couldn't do it anyway.
Speaker 4: Obviously they're not going to necessarily abide by the wars
Speaker 4: of land warfare, but we won't do that. That was
Speaker 4: one hundred percent Israel's mission. But we have seen that before,
Speaker 4: but on this level probably not, probably not a country
Speaker 4: with ninety million people, probably not. It's how and what
Speaker 4: will be the result of that. But it's not just
Speaker 4: that the leader they took out, it's the forty others
Speaker 4: that they have. But the message might be also who
Speaker 4: hasn't been taken out. We know Masad is clearly infiltrated.
Speaker 4: A lot of things going on inside of Iron. We
Speaker 4: know that that's the case, and so they're searching now
Speaker 4: for the Delta Rodrigaz. They're searching for the person that
Speaker 4: that that created that Venezuela situation of Okay, everyone's dead
Speaker 4: except you. Do you want to play ball or not. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: we know exactly where you are. We can find you anytime,
Speaker 4: so you could be the next contestant on you know,
Speaker 4: you're the next leader, or you can decide to you know,
Speaker 4: not cooperate. You could be you won't. I mean, in
Speaker 4: this case, you won't be in the back of a
Speaker 4: special Force a helicopter. You're going to see the front
Speaker 4: side of the Tomahawk cruise missile. So that's how the
Speaker 4: Israelis operate, and that's how they're going to do, and
Speaker 4: that's how they view Iran as an exidential threat.
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you what you thought
Speaker 1: about the obviously awesome intelligence that we in Israel have.
Speaker 1: What does that say about our capabilities and or the.
Speaker 2: The infiltration of the Iranian regime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw a report too that said the CIA
Speaker 4: gave information we want to get in this game as well.
Speaker 4: But Israel has been doing this for you know, twenty years,
Speaker 4: more than that likely, and this is how they operate.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing they did with the Pager exercise
Speaker 4: when they you know, blew all the Hamas guys up.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is how they operate, and they take
Speaker 4: great risks doing it. I'm sure there's been many Israeli
Speaker 4: citizens that have unfortunately given their lives, have been burned,
Speaker 4: and but this is all for the survival of that state.
Speaker 4: That's how they operate. In theory, a country of ninety
Speaker 4: million should have no problem with a country of about
Speaker 4: nine million. But in this case, you know, Israel continues
Speaker 4: to dominate. It's just not just the military the hardware
Speaker 4: side of it. It's just the the intel and the intellect.
Speaker 2: Side of it.
Speaker 4: Although again Iranians are smart people. They're persons, they're not Arabs.
Speaker 4: I think. I think in some way that's why they're
Speaker 4: attacking those Arabs states as well. They look down their
Speaker 4: nos that Arabs that they don't think they're the same.
Speaker 4: They're Persians, So I think that's that's also part of
Speaker 4: their calculus.
Speaker 2: It's interesting you said that. I remember, Joan, I went
Speaker 2: out to eat with some at a Persian restaurant with
Speaker 2: some they'd like to call themselves the Persian these dudes.
Speaker 2: It's truly nice guys we were friends with. But I
Speaker 2: remember this them saying, man, those Arabs are crazy. We
Speaker 2: got into the conversation about the Middle East. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: had they had a certain view of all Arabs that
Speaker 2: I had never heard before.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean Persia has made significant contributions to civilization,
Speaker 4: go back to the seven seven hundreds, eight hundreds, and
Speaker 4: it's you know, part of the Ottoman Empire. It's it's
Speaker 4: had contributions. It's a smart civilization, which is why they
Speaker 4: can create nuclear weapons. I mean they have that intellectual
Speaker 4: capital and that you know that there's a reason why
Speaker 4: some of these other countries can't get there from here,
Speaker 4: So they have that intellectual capability and the manufacturing and
Speaker 4: the industrial base, and they do all those things. And
Speaker 4: that's that's why they're they're in the position they're in.
Speaker 4: They're just led by ruthless people that want to see
Speaker 4: the end of Israel and the state sponsor of terrorism.
Speaker 3: So Trump said a little bit ago.
Speaker 2: I don't have the exact verbiage, but it was something
Speaker 2: like the big wave or the major wave or whatever
Speaker 2: is yet to come.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's true?
Speaker 4: You know, if we're to show the other day with somebody,
Speaker 4: it's like we can no longer be shocked about what
Speaker 4: Donald Trump says, right in terms of He's always going
Speaker 4: to overseell something too as well. Right, so you know,
Speaker 4: we we could have that might be true, but I'll
Speaker 4: tell you right now, I'm sure the military. We saw
Speaker 4: this this thing this morning where the military came out
Speaker 4: and basically defined a military objective that can be accomplished,
Speaker 4: that can be eventually used to say this was our
Speaker 4: endgame as well. So regime change is not something the
Speaker 4: military can do. And Hesth said that today. It was interesting.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well it likely come. Sure, the next couple
Speaker 4: of attacks could take place in the next few days, and
Speaker 4: Trump will say yeah, that's it. He'll point it and
Speaker 4: say that's that's what that was. Now do I like
Speaker 4: my president doing that? No, I'd rather have him, you know,
Speaker 4: undersell somethings than over deliver on the other side. But
Speaker 4: we've just come to expect this is this is who
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is. It does maybe put more pressure on
Speaker 4: on the war fires at some level, but he doesn't
Speaker 4: he doesn't know any other way. He's always going to
Speaker 4: try to oversell it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So we're talking to military analyst Mike Lines. Mike, if
Speaker 1: China were take this moment to move on Taiwan, how
Speaker 1: bad would that be in terms of our ability to
Speaker 1: do anything about it.
Speaker 4: So again, no one's talking about this, but the straight
Speaker 4: of remotes once it gets blocked. If it is being blocked. Now,
Speaker 4: there's reports this morning China gets fifteen percent of its
Speaker 4: oil from there. So the President's cut off Venezuela as
Speaker 4: an emergency access of oil for China, and now fifteen
Speaker 4: percent of it gets blocked off coming from the Middle East.
Speaker 4: China will now scramble when it comes to having reserves
Speaker 4: in order to go to war. China is building underground tanks.
Speaker 4: They recognize they need billions of oil in the ground
Speaker 4: to make sure that they can go to war with
Speaker 4: tai one off. That's what they want to do. But
Speaker 4: right now this is going to put that actually more
Speaker 4: of it risk, because if they can't get the oil
Speaker 4: or they try to buy it from Russia, which then
Speaker 4: doesn't help that cause because Russia now has more money
Speaker 4: to create more weapons to go after the Ukraine. So
Speaker 4: this is a vicious circle that takes place. Again no
Speaker 4: one's talking about when it comes to the economics of
Speaker 4: the energy trade. I think anyway, no matter what, we'll
Speaker 4: have a hard time. You know two things. First of all,
Speaker 4: the second that we're no longer reliant on Taiwan for
Speaker 4: silicon chips, and we've created the founderies that we're building
Speaker 4: right now in Texas. I just got back there and
Speaker 4: talk to some folks doing that. The second we can
Speaker 4: do that, then Taiwan becomes the Middle East of the
Speaker 4: nineteen nine. We're no longer relying on it for oil,
Speaker 4: so we'll let China have it. I still have I
Speaker 4: know we have strategic ambiguity about it, and AOC stumbled
Speaker 4: upon didn't know how to answer it, because I think
Speaker 4: deep down this president won't decide to attack China, potentially
Speaker 4: lose a West coast city just over Taiwan.
Speaker 1: Well, in AOC's defense, she's an idiot. Mike waians a
Speaker 1: military analyst. Mike, I'm sure we'll talk again. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for the thoughts and the expert seas and
Speaker 1: we'll talk soon.
Speaker 4: Thany, guys, great, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: And then we mentioned this headline earlier this morning from
Speaker 2: the New York Times. If China invades Taiwan and cuts
Speaker 2: off its chip exports, the tech industry in the United
Speaker 2: States economy would be crippled. Yeah, so you got the
Speaker 2: oil angle, you got the chips angle. As Mike pointed out,
Speaker 2: interesting times.
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Speaker 2: I had another question for Mike, but I'm sure we'll
Speaker 2: be talking to him more this week, almost certainly, but
Speaker 2: hegzeth and the President just a little bit ago told
Speaker 2: Fox that boots on the ground is an option. So
Speaker 2: the fact that they're laying the groundwork for that is something. Anyway,
Speaker 2: more on the way stay here.
Speaker 5: After launching a massive military strike against Iran, Trump announced
Speaker 5: hours ago that they officially killed the Supreme Leader Ayatoly
Speaker 5: Kameni and replaced him with Oh my god, the guy
Speaker 5: from Venezuela.
Speaker 2: What's an interesting joke. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Venezuela situation, which is obviously not in the headline,
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting because the the kleptocrat fake communists
Speaker 1: are still in charge there, and it's not good.
Speaker 2: I mean, Maduro's gone. He was a bastard.
Speaker 1: But other than a little access to oil, conceivably, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what we got.
Speaker 2: France just announced they're going to increase their number of
Speaker 2: nuclear warheads from the current level of below three hundred,
Speaker 2: first time they've increased the size of their nuclear arsenal
Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety two. And throw this in just as
Speaker 2: kind of a hole, the whole world is just getting
Speaker 2: a little hotter in a little more jumpy, a little
Speaker 2: more ready to go. Oh boint don't like it.
Speaker 3: I have no control over it, but I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Yipes coming up a really interesting back and forth about
Speaker 1: the constitutionality of the attack on Iran, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to give too much away, but I think everybody's
Speaker 1: right in this argument, and they disagree with each other,
Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that. Plus, it just struck me
Speaker 1: last night as I was taking in all sorts of
Speaker 1: news that at that point we'd lost three of our
Speaker 1: service people it's now up to four. And how we
Speaker 1: value life in the West in the United States and
Speaker 1: are very we're very careful about not spending people's lives cheaply.
Speaker 1: We cherish life in short, unless you're on the left,
Speaker 1: and it's a fetus anyway. But at the next report
Speaker 1: was that there were protests at the American consulate in
Speaker 1: oh one of your big Pakistani cities.
Speaker 2: I can't remember which one.
Speaker 1: Pakistan heights and nine people died at the protest.
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean there's a contrast for you, no kidding.
Speaker 1: I mean, they just spend lives like crazy in the
Speaker 1: Muslim world because they believe, you know, you go to
Speaker 1: Allah's side and have your virgins and your martyr and
Speaker 1: the rest of But yeah, they do not value your
Speaker 1: life at all.
Speaker 2: So there's Operation Roaring Lion and Operation Epic Fury. What's
Speaker 2: the Roaring Lion part. I'm not clear on that myself. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: both are going on. Most of it seems to be
Speaker 2: Epic Fury. I'm not exactly sure why you have to
Speaker 2: have names like this for this sort of thing, as
Speaker 2: I've been saying, this is for us, this is operation
Speaker 2: mediocre punditry that we've got going a weekly. You can't
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 1: Name it mediocre blooming DAFA or I'm sorry, Operation blooming Daffodils,
Speaker 1: or anything true to have a hard ass name.
Speaker 2: It's just everybody knows that for sure. The fact that
Speaker 2: Pete Heggsath didn't rule out boots on the ground and
Speaker 2: Trump is not ruling it out, And I understand the
Speaker 2: whole not ruling things out, but I feel like they're
Speaker 2: laying the groundwork, maybe that they maybe actually think we
Speaker 2: might have to put boots on the ground to accomplish
Speaker 2: what we want to accomplish. So we got to make
Speaker 2: sure we get out there on that. Boy, that would
Speaker 2: be a big political story.
Speaker 1: I would sure love to see their decision tree right now.
Speaker 1: If this happens, then we will do this.
Speaker 2: That and the other.
Speaker 1: What would happen though, which branch of the tree includes that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What would have to happen that we would actually
Speaker 2: put soldiers on the ground. Now, the history of the
Speaker 2: world is I don't think there's ever been a regime
Speaker 2: change forced through the air. But we don't have to
Speaker 2: force regime change. That's not mandatory. We took out the
Speaker 2: Ayatola and everybody underneath him.
Speaker 1: As we discussed earlier, just declawing them for a very
Speaker 1: long time would be a win. Yeah, we got a
Speaker 1: big win, but it's a win. We can pound them
Speaker 1: for quite a while.
Speaker 2: Wait, that's stuff what Mike Lions was talking about though about.
Speaker 2: You know how much of our super expensive high tech
Speaker 2: gear has been expended already and at some point we
Speaker 2: could run out of it. Now I understand why they
Speaker 2: attacked all those countries. They're just trying to wipe out
Speaker 2: the capability of Israel in the United States to defend
Speaker 2: against all these rockets and missiles.
Speaker 3: Right, that's not a bad plan.
Speaker 1: No, which is why we've got to pound the be
Speaker 1: Jesus out of them. Let's argue about the constitution next.
Speaker 1: It'll be fun. Yeah, lotsaw on the way. If you
Speaker 1: missed the sec made the.
Speaker 2: Podcast Armstrong and Getty. The celebration is striking.
Speaker 6: We got here just moments after initial reports initial rumors
Speaker 6: of the death of iotl A. Kamm and A had
Speaker 6: just started to trickle from Iran to this diaspora community,
Speaker 6: and people were jumping in excitement, hugging each other, crying,
Speaker 6: saying that basically they've been waiting forty seven years for
Speaker 6: this very date. Is the reason so many of them
Speaker 6: have come out here today.
Speaker 2: Celebrating, partying like crazy. Have you seen the video of
Speaker 2: all the Iranians doing the Trump dance after the news broke.
Speaker 2: They're dancing to YMCA doing the Trump dance, American flags,
Speaker 2: Iranian flags, Israeli flags all together. Now, I am all
Speaker 2: for the discussion about whether or not, you know, constitutionality, Congress,
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. I'm troubled by it. But
Speaker 2: you can't do the long face, sad voice like they
Speaker 2: did all week on an MSNBC while you're having the conversation.
Speaker 2: And Trump, of course, does not have the right to
Speaker 2: do this. When you got all these young Iranians who
Speaker 2: are partying like crazy because the country that they love
Speaker 2: has been freed, hopefully from this evil theocracy. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure they all know people who've been tortured or killed
Speaker 2: or whatever by their own government. So MSNBC, geez, Rachel
Speaker 2: maddowen all your democratic guesses, you gotta stop with the
Speaker 2: long faces. You're out of touch, You're on the wrong
Speaker 2: side of history on.
Speaker 1: This, which is why nobody watches them. They're Idio's true idiots.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, and the American left, this is so
Speaker 1: amazing from Nelly Bowles. Zorn Mumdani, the new mayor of
Speaker 1: New York and his team are ousting military contractors from
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Navy Yard. Ay quote a council member celebrating
Speaker 1: the decision, this public asset should not be leasing space
Speaker 1: to companies producing drones that are being transformed into weapons
Speaker 1: of war. It's part of the movement to quote demilitarized
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Navy Yard.
Speaker 2: And of course now he asks, what the hell do
Speaker 2: they think?
Speaker 1: The word navy means a shade of blue and some
Speaker 1: places authority.
Speaker 2: That is pretty funny. I missed that demilitarizing the Navy yard.
Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, yeah, but genuinely is the idea
Speaker 1: that America should not have a military, or just that
Speaker 1: people who build our air force shouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 1: live in Brooklyn?
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And on that topic, well sort of, Patrick said, guys
Speaker 1: love the show, et cetera. I haven't heard much addressed
Speaker 1: how can Trump go to war with Iran? I thought
Speaker 1: war was the purview of Congress, which brings us to
Speaker 1: a Twitter threat I came across which I found very
Speaker 1: interesting and I will relate to you now. It starts
Speaker 1: more or less with this, Hello Iranian here for those
Speaker 1: fixated on legality to excuse the regime in Iran. F you, No,
Speaker 1: I will not let you be my voice. You don't
Speaker 1: get to narrate my story. You don't get to claim
Speaker 1: moral superiority. You don't get to tell me my feelings
Speaker 1: are wrong. It's interesting, it's a very lefty style of argument,
Speaker 1: and it's irrelevant to the legality. On the other hand, Jack,
Speaker 1: I will say to you, if at some point you
Speaker 1: want to, we can go through it. It describes what it
Speaker 1: was like, essentially to live under the regime, and it
Speaker 1: is I would like to hear that chilling. But as
Speaker 1: Tim Sander for a good friend of the Armstrong you
Speaker 1: get Hey points out, he says, this is understandable but wrong.
Speaker 1: Of course, the iatolas are evil and should have been
Speaker 1: destroyed long ago. Of course, the world's better off without
Speaker 1: these guys in it. But ignoring the constitution, letting one
Speaker 1: person arbitrarily take the country to war is illegal, stupid,
Speaker 1: and dangerous. As I said during the last segment talking
Speaker 1: about talking about this, there are several people who are
Speaker 1: disagreeing with each other, and I think they're all right.
Speaker 1: Chim witch Wi brings us to the interesting moment that
Speaker 1: we have in terms of war and Congress and presidents
Speaker 1: and the rest of it.
Speaker 2: Just in case you're a Tim fan and wondering where
Speaker 2: he is on this, It's all about the constitutionally of
Speaker 2: the constitutionality of the decision. He did say in his
Speaker 2: first tweet over the weekend. If I were in Congress
Speaker 2: and this came up for a vote, I would be
Speaker 2: a hard yes, yeah on attacking Iran.
Speaker 3: I just think Congress should make the decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In a system like ours, how you do things matter,
Speaker 1: So anyway, he says, this is understandable but wrong. What
Speaker 1: I just said, letting one person arbitrarily take the country
Speaker 1: to war is illegal, stupid, and dangerous. Somebody with a
Speaker 1: name that certainly looks Iranian replies were not at war.
Speaker 1: Military operations against terrorist organizations are not wars. Tim said
Speaker 1: that's just not true. If against him in an attack,
Speaker 1: they may be justified without a declaration, but that appears
Speaker 1: not to be the case here. While entirely justified by
Speaker 1: any rational measure. The attack on Iran is obviously a
Speaker 1: war that requires congressional declaration. And then the other person replies,
Speaker 1: I think we have enough votes to do it. Put
Speaker 1: the entire full force of our domestic economy behind it,
Speaker 1: and this cancer once and for all. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I think everybody's right in this argument. The Constitution may
Speaker 1: be well, first of all, it's the first and only
Speaker 1: time in human history that a committee has come up
Speaker 1: with something brilliant. Because they did, the Constitution is a
Speaker 1: miraculous success. But there are just a couple of areas,
Speaker 1: like the declaration of war, where I think we need
Speaker 1: to amend it or clarify it if we had a
Speaker 1: Congress that did anything. Because the nature warfare has changed
Speaker 1: so much, So.
Speaker 3: Are we I think this is really interesting.
Speaker 2: So are we assuming that, like what John Fetterman was
Speaker 2: arguing earlier.
Speaker 3: That whatever declaration I had it in front of me.
Speaker 2: Under the TEA seventy three War Provision Act allowed or
Speaker 2: power to do this. And as I mentioned earlier, Andrew
Speaker 2: McCarthy of National Review, who I really respect his opinion
Speaker 2: on this stuff, he said Trump was on the right
Speaker 2: side of the law to do this, and he does
Speaker 2: not always agree with Donald Trump by far. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: is this a war?
Speaker 1: Quote unquote, because when the Constitution was written to have
Speaker 1: a war, it always looked more or less the same.
Speaker 1: It would take, you know, enormous amounts of preparation over
Speaker 1: a very long time. You would send many, many, many
Speaker 1: soldiers and ships and sailors, and everybody knew what you
Speaker 1: meant by declare war. But now where you can launch
Speaker 1: just devastating bombing raids from the US, refuel once or
Speaker 1: twice in the air, then fly home without a touching down?
Speaker 2: Is that a war? Exactly? It's certainly an attack. And
Speaker 2: I know this isn't a good argument because you can't
Speaker 2: change the Constitution or ignore it just because our current
Speaker 2: climate doesn't fit with it. But there's no way you
Speaker 2: could get Congress to approve anything ever like this, because
Speaker 2: they don't they all remember early two thousands when people
Speaker 2: who voted for the Iraq war pretty much were blocked
Speaker 2: out of getting re elected or ever running for president, right,
Speaker 2: And they learned that lesson overlearned it.
Speaker 1: Here's a response on the Twitter from a guy with
Speaker 1: an Israeli flag in his.
Speaker 2: Id.
Speaker 1: There the legislature is not trustworthy. They don't just leak,
Speaker 1: they oppose an undermined look at all the insider trading
Speaker 1: and trading, the grift, the fraud, the deceit, to see
Speaker 1: how they fail to act on a build it. Over
Speaker 1: eighty percent of Americans want they're not representing our interests,
Speaker 1: only their own.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree with that, But obviously you can't
Speaker 2: just decide. So therefore we're just all going into more
Speaker 2: Congress from here on out because they all suck. Clearly, Yeah,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: We're in a really difficult moment for the declaration of war,
Speaker 1: war powers, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: And I think.
Speaker 1: If we had the brains and the balls to do it,
Speaker 1: we in Congress would address that in a a significant way.
Speaker 2: I also don't because some people were arguing this before Maduro. Also,
Speaker 2: I also don't quite understand how you make it work
Speaker 2: with a surprise attack.
Speaker 1: Correct, that's the War Powers Act kind of addresses that
Speaker 1: because you've got to well, although you've got to give
Speaker 1: Congress forty eight hour heads up that you're going to
Speaker 1: do something, and then you have sixty.
Speaker 2: Days day, you know, you don't think there are Democrats
Speaker 2: that would leak this immediately give the heads up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one end that day.
Speaker 1: The founder sure as hell didn't count on publicity, horror,
Speaker 1: Instagram fund raising, you know, pieces of garbage.
Speaker 2: And by the way, completely unfair to say democrats based on,
Speaker 2: for instance, what Marjorie Taylor Green was tweeting out over
Speaker 2: the weekend. I don't know if you saw any of that,
Speaker 2: but and she's no longer in Congress, but if she
Speaker 2: were in Congress, she might I'd have said this, uh,
Speaker 2: and just like that, we are no longer a nation
Speaker 2: divided by left and right.
Speaker 3: We are now a nation divided by.
Speaker 2: Those who want fight wars for Israel and those who
Speaker 2: just want peace and are able to afford their bills
Speaker 2: and health insurance. She believes this is all just to
Speaker 2: help Israel, and she tweeted out, my god as soon
Speaker 2: as it started, My god, these poor military members and
Speaker 2: their poor families. I'm sorry for them and praying for them.
Speaker 2: This is absolutely unnecessary and is unacceptable. Trump, vance Tulsey
Speaker 2: and all of us campaigned on no more foreign wars
Speaker 2: and regime changed. Now American soldiers are dead. So she's
Speaker 2: hardcore against this and things it's a disaster. I think
Speaker 2: she would have felt the same way in Congress, so she,
Speaker 2: as a Republican, might have leaked it if you get
Speaker 2: up Za.
Speaker 1: Sure well, the opposite party in general does whatever they
Speaker 1: can to deny the other side. Quote unquote a whin
Speaker 1: who called her the dumbest person ever serving the other
Speaker 1: don't remember.
Speaker 3: I think that was Daryl Isa. So that conversation came up.
Speaker 2: I was watching h Isa was being interview former Republican
Speaker 2: congressman and got hit with the Marjorie Taylor Green quote
Speaker 2: that I just read you, and he said, I'd like
Speaker 2: to remind you that Marjorie Taylor Green might be the
Speaker 2: dumbest person ever serve in congrets. He's bond, bad built,
Speaker 2: bush body. What's a hack of a thing to say? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole Israel. We're dancing to their tune. They're
Speaker 1: pulling our strings. They're the puppeteers. Why would that be
Speaker 1: because they've got dirt on Trump through Epstein, That's part
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: I can't even Yeah, So where does that leave the Jews?
Speaker 2: In the fact that you got a lot of the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party who doesn't care about supporting Israel and a
Speaker 2: certain chunk of the Republican Party that thinks Israel is
Speaker 2: controlling everything and it's horrific.
Speaker 1: How big a chunk? That's the ever present question to
Speaker 1: the very young. They're very low vocal, they're very online.
Speaker 2: Enough to make Tucker Carlson and Candice Owens tens of
Speaker 2: millions of dollars a year because they're very young and
Speaker 2: very online. Yeah. I don't know how many they are,
Speaker 2: but either the heck of a thing though. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: saw a fair amount of that floating around on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Launching another war, Israel is launching another war. They tell
Speaker 2: us what to do. I don't understand how you can't
Speaker 2: see this as without Israel involved at all, that this
Speaker 2: is in the United States interest.
Speaker 3: This is not Israel first. It's America first.
Speaker 2: There's no benefit to the United States to Israel getting
Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. They've killed more Americans than any of our country. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Iran getting a nuclear weapon. Israel already has a nuclear weapon,
Speaker 2: they just don't admit it. Iran has been an enemy
Speaker 2: of the United States forever. This is not new.
Speaker 3: Israel just didn't like say, hey, could you take out Iran?
Speaker 2: They're bad to us? No, no, no, they've been bad to us.
Speaker 1: Do you know what we need right now, Jack, what's
Speaker 1: the country mirth? When we need is mirth clip number ten?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 7: Michael, what are you doing just shopping for an Iranian
Speaker 7: flag on Amazon? Because I stand with Iran. Yeah, me too,
Speaker 7: I'm very excited. No, I stand with Iran. Yes, me too.
Speaker 7: I stand with Iran. This is this is a very
Speaker 7: good Are we on opposite sides of this?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 7: I stand with Iran. Hands off Iran. Okay, America needs
Speaker 7: to leave, but that would mean the regime.
Speaker 3: Stays in place.
Speaker 7: Homosexuality is illegal, women don't have access to education, and
Speaker 7: you're for this, Well, I'm against Trump and I'm against
Speaker 7: the regime in America.
Speaker 3: Say it, say you hate Trump.
Speaker 7: Homosexuality should be criminalized, women shouldn't get to go to school,
Speaker 7: and Iran shouldn't be free, or say thank you Trump?
Speaker 2: Which one?
Speaker 3: Okay, fire sniff.
Speaker 2: Sn didn't stop a lot of Democrats I saw on
Speaker 2: the talk shows yesterday from just loudly denouncing this, you
Speaker 2: got young Iranians dancing in the streets around the world.
Speaker 2: You got to at least acknowledge that. I would think
Speaker 2: you could come up with a clever way to be
Speaker 2: against Trump. Go with the constitution angle or whatever, but
Speaker 2: strongly emphasized glad the eye. Tola's dead. RAN's been an
Speaker 2: enemy of the United States forever. All these young people
Speaker 2: might have a future. Now you gotta show that sort
Speaker 2: of enthusiasm. You can't do the long face shaking your
Speaker 2: head while all these young women are dancing around the
Speaker 2: world bing bing bang bang bing bing bing. I don't
Speaker 2: get I know, just everybody retreating that they're usual. You know,
Speaker 2: they're scripted lions. It's just so tiring. While we're on
Speaker 2: the air, President Trump was addressing the United States for
Speaker 2: the first time on Iran, because they never did really
Speaker 2: before the State of the Union address. It got like
Speaker 2: two sentences and that was what four days before the
Speaker 2: iatolas ceased to exist. It got like no talk during
Speaker 2: the State of the Union address. You'd been calling for
Speaker 2: a yanking him out by the beard. Are you satisfied.
Speaker 2: I will love the image of him hanging by his
Speaker 2: beer swinging underneath a helicopter. But I suppose this works
Speaker 2: in terms of what we're trying to cover A month
Speaker 2: to give him a fair trial.
Speaker 3: Give him a fair trial. Now he's just in tiny
Speaker 3: bits all over the place.
Speaker 2: Blue eyes. One blew that way. One blew that exactly
Speaker 2: more on the way, stay here, I will watch this
Speaker 2: attack after me and my board of peace decided that
Speaker 2: we were bored of peace. A workplay there, did you
Speaker 2: catch it? As we all know, Iran has been two.
Speaker 5: Weeks away from developing a nuclear weapon for like the
Speaker 5: last fifteen years or something, so we.
Speaker 2: Had to act now, and we're doing war war What
Speaker 2: is it good for?
Speaker 5: Distracting from the Epstein files?
Speaker 2: So that was Saturday night, like say, cold open with
Speaker 2: their President Trump.
Speaker 3: Ben Rhodes, he was advisor to.
Speaker 2: Obama, wrote a piece opinion piece in the New York
Speaker 2: Times today about how awful this is. And I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm amazed that the what do people call themselves who
Speaker 2: don't ever engage in war for some reasone pacifist, the
Speaker 2: pacifist leaning crowd always thinks that there's no nothing bad
Speaker 2: can come out of that.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any intellectual sense to me whatsoever.
Speaker 2: The whole Obama don't do stupid s, So let other
Speaker 2: countries just do whatever the hell they want forever so
Speaker 2: that we don't.
Speaker 3: That's not gonna work out.
Speaker 1: As the what's his name character in the Big Shill
Speaker 1: put it, you can't get through the day without one
Speaker 1: good rationalization. Jeff Goldblum. I think guys like that don't.
Speaker 1: They're afraid of action. They prefer inaction, and they intellectualize
Speaker 1: it and they rationalize why that's really the most enlightened
Speaker 1: thing to do. They come up with elaborate defenses of inaction,
Speaker 1: but it's always in action.
Speaker 2: Nobody hates Donald Trump more than George F. Will of
Speaker 2: the Washington Post conservative columnists, but his opinion piece today,
Speaker 2: at last, the credibility of the United States deterrence is
Speaker 2: being restored. Perhaps the thirty thousand protesters who perish in
Speaker 2: Iran streets early.
Speaker 3: In January did not die in vain, and he.
Speaker 2: Talks about how important it was to re establish for
Speaker 2: the safety of the world US deterrence.
Speaker 3: You can't mess around with US.
Speaker 2: A nator of post nineteen forty five US power and
Speaker 2: its preconditioned confidence was the nineteen seventy five departure of
Speaker 2: the last helicopter from the US embassy roof in Saigon
Speaker 2: as the end of the Vietnam War. A second low
Speaker 2: point was reached when Barack Obama drew in twenty twelve
Speaker 2: and then ignored a red line about the chemical weapons
Speaker 2: in Syria. We all know that a third was in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, when Joe Biden produced a chaotic exit
Speaker 2: from Afghanistan. Today, Vladimir Putin is watching Venezuela, Iran, and
Speaker 2: soon perhaps Cuba joined Syria as vanished clients. The swiftness
Speaker 2: of their downfall illustrates the hollowness of Russia's claim to
Speaker 2: be a formal global actor today's world, where the velocity
Speaker 2: of information and the capability of weaponry annihilate distances and
Speaker 2: compressed time. Blah blah blah. Leads everybody to understand, because
Speaker 2: I'm running out of time, that you can't miss around. Well,
Speaker 2: he doesn't say this, but you can't blank around and
Speaker 2: fire out with the United States anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, right? How long will it last? What lessons will
Speaker 1: be learned from this? However it plays out, Who will
Speaker 1: be next in the White House? It all could change
Speaker 1: depending on the answers to those questions. Of course, for now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would not f around. Yeah, I would take Trump
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