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Speaker 1: Doug Gottleib Show, Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: What a Monday Night.

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Speaker 1: Football Debaca we got to cover on eleven eleven and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people make a wish that they hadn't

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Speaker 1: spent their lively savings to go to lambeau Field. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to that upcoming. What a great show for you

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Speaker 1: we have for you. And the guys are all here right,

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Speaker 1: my guy Dan Byer, Jason Stewart, Iowa, Sam, everybody's here.

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Speaker 1: News of the day, Nico Harrison's been fired. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that upcoming. But I want to get to the

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Speaker 1: game of the night, the game of the weekend, the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: And Packers game.

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Speaker 1: Now full disclosure. I went to the game and you're like, wait, what,

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Speaker 1: that's a humble break. It is and it isn't because

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Speaker 1: there's a lot I don't know about because when you're

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Speaker 1: at the game, you can't, mean unless you're gonna listen

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Speaker 1: with AirPods in, you can't you know, you don't have

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Speaker 1: a commentary, So you have the commentary of all the fans,

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Speaker 1: which is good and is bad. We'll talk about a

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Speaker 1: lot about that in the podcast.

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Speaker 2: But I.

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Speaker 1: Don't really even know what Nick Sirianni was doing, let

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Speaker 1: alone what the Green Bay Packers were doing in terms

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Speaker 1: of trying to win the game. At the end of

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Speaker 1: the game, I ask it because with like two and

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Speaker 1: a half minutes to go on second down, the Eagles

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Speaker 1: chose choose to throw the ball on second and third

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Speaker 1: down instead of run the football, get it to the

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Speaker 1: two minute warning, and then if you're gonna throw it,

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Speaker 1: do it on third down, where you know, obviously you

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Speaker 1: should run it on third down. You run on third down,

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Speaker 1: then they have to use one of their timeouts, and

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Speaker 1: then whatever happens, probably punting, which they should have done,

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Speaker 1: they didn't do. You know, then you have a limited

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Speaker 1: time and limited timeouts to get the ball back instead.

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Speaker 1: Instead they end up actually because of what a penalty

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Speaker 1: getting the first door, they got a first down. Actually,

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Speaker 1: no excuse me. They punt the ball to the Green

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Speaker 1: Bay Packers, who then get nothing at the offense, then

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Speaker 1: punt the ball back to the Eagles, who then do

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Speaker 1: it again and try and bleed out the clock. The

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Speaker 1: only reason they can't bleed out the clock is because

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Speaker 1: you're right, the Green Bay Packers have timeouts. Then the

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Speaker 1: Packers get the ball back and they get like twenty

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Speaker 1: five twenty seven seconds to go. They throw it deep

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Speaker 1: over the middle on first down into like triple coverage.

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Speaker 1: The second pass, you know, with twenty seconds ago, is

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Speaker 1: you know, ten fifteen yards whatever it was. The whole

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Speaker 1: thing was like, I don't want to win it, you

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Speaker 1: win it. I don't want to win it, you win it.

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Speaker 1: It was bizarre. Then you factor in how many times

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Speaker 1: it felt like the Packers were choosing to run the

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Speaker 2: Carries to thirty six passing attempts.

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Speaker 1: Many of those passing attempts came late in the game

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Speaker 1: when they had to and there was an extremely conservative

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Speaker 1: game plan for the Packers. And now people start to go, hey,

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, what's going on with this offense? Meanwhile, the

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Speaker 1: Eagles was Jalen Hurts good not really was Sekon Barkley dominant,

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Speaker 1: not really. But Saquon Barkley catches one ball, goes forty

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Speaker 1: really the limit to the explosive plays in the entire game.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles won the way the Eagles always win, which

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Speaker 1: whi ugly. We don't got to win pretty, We'll win ugly.

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Speaker 1: And the Packers couldn't figure out their offense while trying

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Speaker 1: of that just weird decisions by the coaching stabs, or

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Speaker 1: maybe it was by Jalen Hurts, because with two twenty

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Speaker 1: Maybe he should have handed the ball to Saquon Barkley. Barkley, Barkley, byer,

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Speaker 1: with that play calling late by either side?

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Speaker 3: I mean, considering on how poorly Green Bay did on

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Speaker 3: Just I mean, you got the first down with Saquon

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Speaker 3: punt it away and they're back deep with no timeouts

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Speaker 3: it didn't It didn't make much sense at all. I

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Speaker 3: understand the aggressive nature of it, but it's also it's

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Speaker 3: not like this game was like the Bengals and Bears

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, where you're like, we just

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also just the math of it, right, just

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Speaker 1: giving less opportunities, you know, and again you give the

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example in our game, and for

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Speaker 1: people who don't know, we played a game at eleven AM,

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Speaker 1: played a kid's day game and got our first win

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Speaker 1: my point guard was like, hey, coach, I can you

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Speaker 1: know they're the free throw liners? Twenty six seconds ago

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Speaker 1: the first half He's like, can I push if I

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Speaker 1: get a layup? I say, you can get a dead layup,

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Speaker 1: let's run, let's play for one. So he drives in there,

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Speaker 1: even if maybe if you have a dead, wide open layup,

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Speaker 1: they cannot will not get another possession. They cannot will

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Speaker 1: not score another point. But even if you score, if

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Speaker 1: you give them opportunity one, we can accrue a foul

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Speaker 1: three versus R two if we get a layup. Technically

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Speaker 1: I'd take a layup as a ninety five plus percent shot.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise I would not.

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Speaker 1: So it's the same thing with the with the Eagles, like, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: you're totally right. The Packers did not have offense the

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Speaker 1: entire game. Why should they be scared of running down

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Speaker 1: the clock. As much as you want punt them, pin

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Speaker 2: Let's see we But.

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Speaker 1: Again, all of that still could have been true, only

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Speaker 1: with less time on the clock. Right, there's two twenty

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Speaker 1: two minute warning. Packers still have three timeouts. If you

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Speaker 1: run the football again, Packers have to call another timeout.

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Speaker 1: So now they'll get the ball back with one fifty five.

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Speaker 1: If you don't get the first down, there's no reason

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Speaker 2: And they're a running team, it's what they do.

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Speaker 1: So they would have had only two timeouts and how

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Speaker 1: much time to get back. So again, it it made

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Speaker 1: no sense to me none. Here's Nick Sirianni after the

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Speaker 4: I think we were It was into the wind on

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Speaker 4: that one. I knew the kick would had to be

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Speaker 4: a little bit lower traractory of a kick on that

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Speaker 4: On that particular one, I got a lot of faith

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Speaker 4: in our offense. It didn't work out on this one,

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Speaker 4: you know, you know, we we just didn't. We just

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Speaker 4: didn't get it. But the decision I stand put on

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Speaker 4: that decision, you know, especially being up three, because you

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Speaker 4: go up six, they're still going to need a touchdown

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Speaker 4: in hell Mary everything like that. So we would ended

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Speaker 4: the game if we would have got that, and then

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Speaker 4: able to do that. But the reason I didn't kick

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Speaker 4: the field goal again being up three and also just

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Speaker 1: Okay, so here I think he's talking about the last

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Speaker 1: possession at the next to last possession, which is what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Nonetheless, he actually is contradicting himself while

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Speaker 1: talking about it. Here's what I mean, Dan one. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so if you get stopped there, they're like two complete

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Speaker 1: just admitted that the Green Bay Packers had the wind

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Speaker 1: all none. Having the wind in your face on a

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Speaker 1: punt is actually a good thing when you're trying to

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Speaker 1: pin somebody back right, because it means that the wind

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Speaker 1: will keep the ball from going into the end zone.

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Speaker 1: Theoretically percentage time wise, So the idea like, I never

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Speaker 1: thought about punting my offensive. I'm not saying your offense

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Speaker 1: you can go forward on fourth down. That didn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense either. Why don't you punt with however many

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Speaker 1: seconds ago? There's like forty seconds ago? Why would you punt?

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Speaker 1: Why would you let them? I mean, if the Packers

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Speaker 1: sixty five yards in the air, they would have a shot.

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Speaker 1: And the over reason they had a shot was because

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Speaker 1: out does not make it the right decision. Sirianni made

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Speaker 1: two awful decisions next to the last possession, throwing it

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Speaker 1: on third, second and third down and last possession, just

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Speaker 1: punt the ball on fourth, punt the ball on fourth.

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Speaker 2: They have no timeouts.

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Speaker 1: They would have had I don't know, twenty or so

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Speaker 1: seconds left to go make a play because they didn't punch.

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Speaker 1: So they got the ball with twenty five seconds ago.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, so what yeah, yeah, it was because the

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Speaker 3: first part of the timeouts was on the other side

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Speaker 3: of the two minute warning, where they then did end

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Speaker 3: up punting it to Green Bay, and so then green

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Speaker 3: Bay ended up having the fumble on the fourth down

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Speaker 3: play that stalled their drive, and then when they got

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Speaker 3: the football back, green Bay still had the two timeouts,

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Speaker 3: and green Bay used the timeouts. It was then on

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Speaker 3: the fourth down where they just threw it up to

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Speaker 3: A J. Brown, where you should have just I don't

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Speaker 3: care if you're at the thirty five yard line, just

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Speaker 3: punt it out of the end zone, just booming as

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Speaker 3: far as you can.

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Speaker 1: No, you can try and kill him in the corner.

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Speaker 1: You know, you get to wear your face try and

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Speaker 1: kill them in the corner. Yeah, it's it still uses

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Speaker 1: up the exact same amount of time as they came

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Speaker 1: bought about. You didn't make any sense at all.

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Speaker 3: I think you're arguing in the way of nobody punts

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Speaker 3: from the thirty five yard line anymore. So to be

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Speaker 3: able to do that is I actually think it's trickier

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Speaker 3: for a punter to be able to try to put one,

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Speaker 3: because it's just you don't give him any room. But

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Speaker 3: that doesn't negate the point that I would much rather

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Speaker 3: have green Bay start at their own twenty yard line,

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Speaker 8: When when the opportunity to look good coming in and

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Speaker 8: Even when regardless of when he comes back, I woulde

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Speaker 8: At this point, I don't really blame him for that,

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Speaker 8: But the only part that I don't get is that

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would I would tend to I would love

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Speaker 8: wish I could tell you what it is, too. I don't.

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Speaker 8: I don't to leap to conclusions. There's there's a lot

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Speaker 8: of a lot of places you could go to fill

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Speaker 8: the vacuum, and uh, I just but I don't want

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Speaker 8: to do that because most of most of them put

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Speaker 8: Lebron in a negative light, and I don't know that

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Speaker 8: it's fair to jump to that conclusion.

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Speaker 1: Sammy, have you heard this before? But Joel Embiid is

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Speaker 1: ruled out for tonight's game. I know it's it's a stunner.

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Speaker 1: It's really surprising. Yeah, yeah, uh Philadelphia and ride this

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Speaker 1: thing out.

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Speaker 2: Are they going to try and move him?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think they would.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 8: I think they would consider moving him for sure, But

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Speaker 8: I also don't think that there's anything out there that

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Speaker 8: is going to make it worthwhile. I would expect that

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Speaker 8: it's let's hang on. Let's again. He's almost in the

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Speaker 8: Lebron situation and a position in terms of we can

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Speaker 8: if we can win with these guards and we can

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Speaker 8: bring back Embiid or a beat em beads available at

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Speaker 8: the right time. The big adjustment is going to be

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Speaker 8: on his part. You're going to be and again, much

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Speaker 8: like Lebron, we got we got new sheriffs in town,

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Speaker 8: we have a new nucleus, and you are more a

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Speaker 8: complimentary player, still valuable still valuable, but you're a complimentary player,

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Speaker 8: like this is our this is what we're building our

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Speaker 8: team around. And if he's willing to adjust to that,

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Speaker 8: then I would say, you know what, keep him. I

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Speaker 8: don't know that you're going to get anything back. It's

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Speaker 8: it's more valuable and or more useful. And I would

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Speaker 8: say the same thing with Lebron, which again goes back

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Speaker 8: kind of back to the like his disengagement. It's like,

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Speaker 8: if he handles this the right way, then you know what,

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Speaker 8: you could end up making a nice run being part

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Speaker 8: of something that at this point you shouldn't be part of.

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Speaker 8: And but it's all a matter of can they supplement

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Speaker 8: their egos for the greater good? And I with either

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Speaker 8: one of them, I don't know if they're willing to

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Speaker 8: do that.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I definitely with Lebron, we just does as not nothing

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Speaker 1: he's done makes you feel as though that's the case.

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Speaker 2: Right was the case?

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Speaker 8: I would I would tend to agree.

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Speaker 1: Rick Buker's our guest here on the Doug Outlet Show

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Buke let me let me ask

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Speaker 1: you about about Steph Curry and the Warriors. Again, we

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Speaker 1: don't we pay attention for a couple first couple of

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Speaker 1: games and then nothing else Where Are they in that

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Speaker 1: high hierarchy in the.

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Speaker 8: West, Uh, pretty much where they were they've been for

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Speaker 8: the last few years. And I know the run that

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Speaker 8: they made with Jimmy at the end of the year.

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Speaker 8: But uh, this is look, they've they've aged out. That's

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Speaker 8: just the reality of it. They they could if they

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Speaker 8: can get to the playoffs, they could be an interesting

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Speaker 8: team much like they were last year. They could potentially

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Speaker 8: win around the counting on who they see. But the

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Speaker 8: but the truth of it is that small ball has expired.

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Speaker 8: It's more tall ball in terms of teams are playing

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Speaker 8: still playing fast, but they now have They don't have

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Speaker 8: six six Draymond Greens as that point forward. They got

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Speaker 8: they got sixty eight sixty nine guys that are doing it.

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Speaker 8: And they've got seven footers who can protect the rim

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Speaker 8: and space the floor. Uh So, and the talent that

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Speaker 8: they have is just is deeper than what the Warriors have.

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Speaker 8: It's it is I mean, it's just cyclical. This is

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Speaker 8: what the league is built on, which is you can

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Speaker 8: only stay at the top so long. To stay there,

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Speaker 8: you have to pay your guys and then your guys

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Speaker 8: get older, your core and you're the hamstrung as far

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Speaker 8: as your ability to put talent around them, and so

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Speaker 8: you just hit a certain limit. And you look across

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Speaker 8: the board at the teams that are out there, and

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Speaker 8: the stars that they're competing against are all in their prime.

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Speaker 8: Every every every team, I mean Luka Doncis even Luka

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Speaker 8: Donsich in his prime, Nikola Jokic in his prime, Shay Gildess,

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Speaker 8: Alexander you know, still maybe coming into his prime. Look

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Speaker 8: across the board and all of Houston Rockets, I'm Alpha

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Speaker 8: and Sengoon in that group. Like, there's just too many

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Speaker 8: teams that are that are in their prime. They can play,

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Speaker 8: they're not phased at all by the way that the

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Speaker 8: Warriors play. And meanwhile, the Warriors are an older team

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Speaker 8: that just doesn't have the requisite collective talent to compete

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Speaker 8: with the rest of the West at the top.

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Speaker 2: Stett Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trio. That's the one

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Speaker 2: and only Rick Buker. He's awesome. Oh I'm sorry, go

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Speaker 2: ahead there, Jay su Ju has something for you, Rick.

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Speaker 6: Rick, You're pot cast is called on the Ball with

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Speaker 6: Rick Baker.

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Speaker 8: There is I'm actually doing a couple of them. Now

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Speaker 8: on the Ball with Rick Buker is my solo podcast,

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Speaker 8: Finding the Seams is that's a friend in Haywood. And

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Speaker 8: then I'm doing an international basketball podcast with Boston Knockbar.

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Speaker 6: Wow, look at all these humber Braggs, multiple languages, multiple podcasts.

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Speaker 6: But I did want to focus on your podcast called

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Speaker 6: on the Ball because Doug's Dougs pod All Ball on

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Speaker 6: the Scene.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I know, I know. Well Doug didn't check with

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Speaker 8: me before he came up with his.

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Speaker 6: Collaborate You guys could do a collaboration.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have actually discussed it. We have actually discussed.

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Speaker 6: But it should be called all on the ball, which

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Speaker 6: which sounds like a drill, like like when.

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Speaker 2: I like on the ball on the seams. I'm a

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Speaker 2: big seams guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but because because the best of the best can

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Speaker 1: pass the ball, so you catch it on the seams

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Speaker 1: and there's like very few people on earth they can

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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 6: But Doug, isn't there a drill when you do practice,

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Speaker 6: you throw the ball out and you want your players

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Speaker 6: to dive on the loose balls. All on the ball,

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Speaker 6: All on the ball. Let's go with.

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Speaker 2: The let's called first on the floor, all on the ball, first.

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Speaker 1: On the first on the Just ignore him, Rick, He

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Speaker 1: means well, but he can be he can, he can

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Speaker 1: be a lot.

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Speaker 2: He can.

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Speaker 8: Just wanted the bells and whistles, and I can appreciate

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Speaker 8: that exactly.

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Speaker 1: Harrison getting fired. Our good friend Rick Bucker has got

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Speaker 1: a new podcast. He's going to join us at twenty

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Speaker 1: after the hour, plus we'll check in with all things

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Speaker 1: NBA when or will Lebron James play this year. That's

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Speaker 1: always interesting and new to me. Plus we got the press,

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Speaker 1: plus we got other stuff going on before we get

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Speaker 1: to that.

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Speaker 2: We like to do this every Tuesday, a way of.

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Speaker 1: Recapping things that even we in the media missed talking

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Speaker 1: about yesterday because there's just too much stuff. It's called

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Speaker 1: Tuesday Morning Quarterback, and you have.

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Speaker 7: Tuesday till this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.

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Speaker 7: Monday's can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we

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Speaker 7: didn't get to on Monday. Yes, sir, Morning Quarterback in

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Speaker 7: the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: We all look at football season from a different perspective.

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Speaker 1: Do you watch different games, different ways of watching Semer

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Speaker 1: Red Zone guys, some are locked into one game. One guys,

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Speaker 1: Dan's doing his show Tuesday Sunday afternoons.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with you, Dan, Let's let's let's let's get

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Speaker 2: the floor. You to you, Tuesday Morning Quarterback. What do

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Speaker 2: you want us to get to?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I do want to get to the Seattle Seahawks,

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Speaker 3: my team with a huge showdown against the Rams coming

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Speaker 3: up on Sunday. But I want to talk about the

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Speaker 3: Most Valuable Player Award because I think that there is

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Speaker 3: an interesting conversation for the odds that we just talked

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Speaker 3: about when we did rank them bet online having and

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Speaker 3: this was as of this morning, Matthew Stafford your favorite

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Speaker 3: at three to one, Drake May plus three twenty five,

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor plus three to fifty. Sam Donald is sitting

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Speaker 3: there right now with the sixth shortest odds at plus

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Speaker 3: eight point fifty at seventeen to two, and the Seahawks

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Speaker 3: and their record and Donald's passer rating are all reasons

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Speaker 3: for Donald to be a candidate. But Jackson Smith and

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Speaker 3: Jigba is one hundred to one, and when Sam Donald

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Speaker 3: is only throwing it to Jackson Smith and Jigba, I

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Speaker 3: don't know how Sam Donald or anybody else could be

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Speaker 3: higher than Jackson Smith and Jigba in that conversation. If

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Speaker 3: we're having the conversation about Jonathan Taylor like we are,

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Speaker 3: I think we need to have it about Jackson Smith

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Speaker 3: and Jigba, who is on pace to possibly break Calvin

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Speaker 3: Johnson's all time record for receiving yards in a season,

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Speaker 3: Like the two thousand yard mark for JSN is not

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Speaker 3: out of the realm of possibilities. Nineteen sixty four is

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Speaker 3: the number that Calvin Johnson set in twenty twelve. Cooper

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Speaker 3: Cup almost broke it a few years ago, fell just

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Speaker 3: short of it. But Doug the target number for Jackson

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Speaker 3: Smith and Jigma on the season. And this is something

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Speaker 3: that we talked about in our I Want Your Flex

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Speaker 3: podcast episode with Mike Harmon and our executive producer Ian Roddy.

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Speaker 3: I'm also plugging that podcast. Such a name drapper, Jackson

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Speaker 3: Smith and Jigba has eighty five targets on the season.

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Speaker 3: Second most on the team is Cooper Cup with thirty five.

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Speaker 3: There is a fifty target gap between first and second

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Speaker 3: on the Seahawks. So if Sam Donald, who is basically

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Speaker 3: only throwing to Jackson Smith and Jigba, is considered an

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Speaker 3: MVP candidate, how is JSN so far down the line

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Speaker 3: at one hundred to one? And I know the answer.

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Speaker 3: Donald's a quarterback, Jsn's a wide receiver. I understand that.

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Speaker 3: But when you have one guy who has single handedly

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Speaker 3: been your really your entire offense because they haven't been

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Speaker 3: running the football that well, that to me stands out

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Speaker 3: like a sore thumb. He's not gonna win it, But

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Speaker 3: I mean he is the reason. If the quarterback is

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Speaker 3: throwing to just one guy. I think it should be

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Speaker 3: the guy who's catching the football and not the one

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Speaker 3: who's throwing the football.

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Speaker 1: Uh, great point. I mean Cooper we were talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup was MVP of the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, rightfully so, because all they did was thow

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Speaker 1: to him on the last drive against the Bengals. If

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Speaker 1: that's the case, Cooper Cup can be MVP at the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Why can't Jackson Smith and jigbub be the

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Speaker 1: MVP of the league considering his team's winning and he's

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Speaker 1: the biggest reason.

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Speaker 2: Why.

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Speaker 6: What did you think of the way they utilized the

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Speaker 6: new player from the Saints.

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Speaker 3: Rashid Shiheid. They were up so big they really didn't

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Speaker 3: have to. He did return a couple of kicks. I

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Speaker 3: know that's going to add a different dimension, but he

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Speaker 3: really wasn't needed on Sunday because they were up so much.

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Speaker 6: I did notice too, that Sam Donald did some real

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Speaker 6: Sam Donald things in the second half. Yes, you did,

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Speaker 6: trying to make it close.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, three turnovers, fumble, two interceptions, one of the excuse me,

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Speaker 3: two fumbles, one interception. The interception was the ricochet off

657
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Speaker 3: the helmet second time. That's happened this season. Fumbled snap

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Speaker 3: inside your own five yard line that doesn't help, and

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Speaker 3: there was a strip sack. Josh Sweat was able to

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Speaker 3: strip Donald of the football, and something that has happened

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Speaker 3: to Donald multiple times this year. I'm going to continue

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Speaker 3: to harp on the Seahawks turning over the football, kind

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Speaker 3: of like Jason does with the Dodgers. Even though everything

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Speaker 3: looks good, there are still problems. So if the Seahwks

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Speaker 3: lose on Sunday, it's very likely going to be because

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Speaker 3: of bad turnovers.

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Speaker 2: Uh okay, there, I'll take one again. And we haven't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we've discussed I know Sam's, I don't

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Speaker 2: know yours. Jase two.

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Speaker 6: Group text. I started the group text with my subject.

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Speaker 6: Sam belatedly contributed as you and Dan ignored it.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's your oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what

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Speaker 2: you want. That's not what I want to do.

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Speaker 3: I want to be sorry that I just have to.

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Speaker 3: I didn't ignore it because you sent me a specific

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Speaker 3: single text to ask about what my what my thing was?

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Speaker 3: So I gave you a topic and I did give

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Speaker 3: you an answer.

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Speaker 6: I just this is way too.

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Speaker 3: Don't paint me as the Scofflaw, who did not follow

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Speaker 3: up on the group text. Please don't all right, Doug,

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Speaker 3: the floor is yours.

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Speaker 1: I just this is me going, hey, Rob Parker is

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Speaker 1: having a really tough time because he's always called Matt

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Speaker 1: Stafford stat Padford.

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that what he calls him?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Am I right? Sam?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Stat Padford?

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford is nasty and he's having an unbelievable year

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Speaker 1: that I'm guessing that. Hm, I'm guessing Dan. You know

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Speaker 1: the stats because that's your how your brain works. J

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Speaker 1: stew Any idea of what his touchdown and interception ratio.

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Speaker 6: Is, no idea. I just thirteen in the last four week.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five touchdowns, two interceptions all season twenty five and two.

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Speaker 2: And here's the guy pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a guy who remember was it last year?

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Speaker 1: A year before they were like, eh, you know, you

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Speaker 1: might want to finish somewhere else. He went checked out

702
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Speaker 1: the market. Everything was about his bad back. What are

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Speaker 1: they going to do if he retires? And I mean,

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Speaker 1: Stafford's this weird quarterback that he's unbelievably talented and when

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Speaker 1: he's in a rhythm.

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Speaker 2: Holy count.

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Speaker 1: Now I will grant you Niners aren't very good right now.

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Speaker 1: And the previous game was against the Saints, but before

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Speaker 1: that it was the Jags. Whatever, But twenty five and

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Speaker 1: two over a season, twenty five and two is crazy.

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Speaker 1: He should be in any conversation of best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the league, should be any conversation of MVP league. And

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Speaker 1: I remember this is a guy that some people thought

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Speaker 1: might retire before the season started. Matt Stafford, that's my

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning quarterback. Okay, let me get to Jay Stewart.

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Speaker 2: You're up.

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Speaker 6: I don't know about your guys' process, but whenever I

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Speaker 6: see like one of these aggregators send out these stats,

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Speaker 6: I send it to myself. I'm like, I want at

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Speaker 6: some point it might come up on the air this week.

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Speaker 6: I'm just going to send this to myself. And Doug

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Speaker 6: just handed it to me like a Wheelhouse fastball. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Did you guys know the milestone that Matthew Stafford reached

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Speaker 6: on Sunday. He now has a career NFL record as

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Speaker 6: a starting quarterback of one fifteen one fifteen and one.

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Speaker 6: He reached five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 6: It's the most career starts that any NFL quarterback has

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Speaker 6: ever gone, reaching five hundred for the first time at

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Speaker 6: three hundred or two hundred and thirty one, pretty amazing

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Speaker 6: to me. But I want to talk about another mid quarterback,

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Speaker 6: or it was considered mid up until about eight weeks ago,

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Speaker 6: and now people are trying to tell us that they

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Speaker 6: always knew that he would go back to being mid.

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Speaker 6: This is Daniel Jones, Okay. Daniel Jones had a surprising

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Speaker 6: start to the season, and surprising in this regard. He

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Speaker 6: was always turnover prone. That was his thing coming in

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Speaker 6: and I think he went the first three or four

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Speaker 6: games without turning the ball over. I think I remember

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Speaker 6: asking janital Jeremiah, how do you coach turnovers out of quarterbacks? Well,

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Speaker 6: the last couple of weeks, if you guys have been

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Speaker 6: paying attention, he's thrown four interceptions and in the game

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Speaker 6: Overseas on Sunday, he put the ball on the rug

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Speaker 6: three times, only lost one of them, but he fumbled

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Speaker 6: three times. So if you're doing the math, I think

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Speaker 6: we're looking at seven or eight turnovers in the last

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Speaker 6: two weeks. When will Daniel Jones start playing like Daniel Jones?

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Speaker 6: Maybe we're seeing signs of that. Jonathan Taylor making up

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Speaker 6: for a lot of Wartz. I did want to point

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Speaker 6: this out, so before the game overseas, Kyle Brant was

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Speaker 6: able to sit down with Daniel Jones, and turns out

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Speaker 6: Daniel Jones is a very boring guy, very uninteresting. In fact,

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Speaker 6: it became a part of the conversation that Daniel Jones

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Speaker 6: is an uninteresting guy. And this is how Daniel Jones

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Speaker 6: chose to defend himself against that reputation.

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Speaker 3: Probably a part of my personality. I feel like I've

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Speaker 3: never tried to try. I don't know social media, whatever

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Speaker 3: it is, I don't. I don't share too much. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, I think try to play

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Speaker 4: football and hang out with my family and friends.

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Speaker 3: Pretty pretty simple.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, I don't. I don't do a ton.

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Speaker 3: I mean I pretty much played football and uh and

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Speaker 3: hang out.

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Speaker 6: I play football and I hang out. Which I've held

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Speaker 6: this up for a very long time. To make it

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Speaker 6: to that level, a quarterback needs to be exceptionally gifted

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Speaker 6: in doing one thing, and they they don't necessarily do

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Speaker 6: anything else. They're not worldly, they're not sophisticated. There are

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Speaker 6: very rare, rare exceptions to this. If you watch the

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Speaker 6: Netflix Quarterback season two, you see how boring quarterbacks are.

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Speaker 6: There were cousins and two other white guys. In fact,

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Speaker 6: the Netflix special should be called white Quarterbacks, White boring,

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Speaker 6: uninteresting quarterbacks. You will see how uninteresting these people are.

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Speaker 6: There's just no they're there. They are not dynamic, and

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Speaker 6: they're thinking for a reason, which I'm going to drive

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Speaker 6: the point home for the one hundredth time on these airwaves.

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Speaker 6: We cannot take Aaron Rodgers for granted. In twenty years,

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Speaker 6: somebody's going to be like, wait a minute, A quarterback

782
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Speaker 6: would go on controversial podcasts and say controversial things and

783
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Speaker 6: said interesting things. Maybe not everyone agreed with it, but

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Speaker 6: he said things without any kind of thought for recourse,

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Speaker 6: and he had an intellectual capacity to have those conversations

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Speaker 6: with people that were well versed in very complicated matters.

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Speaker 6: And my answer to my grandkids are gonna be yes.

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Speaker 6: And most quarterbacks were like Daniel Jones. So I think

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Speaker 6: I didn't take away your topic? Did I say, m No?

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Speaker 2: Nope.

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Speaker 5: But I would actually love to speak if Aaron Rodgers wants,

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Speaker 5: And I'll get into my point about Aaron Rodgers here

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Speaker 5: in a second. If he ever wants to have any

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Speaker 5: dealings with the media in like fifteen years, be like

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Speaker 5: a celebrity guest or whatever. He's gonna be like the

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Speaker 5: NFL's version of like a medicine man. He's gonna have

797
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Speaker 5: like long hair, he's gonna have beads on his neck,

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Speaker 5: he's gonna have more tattoos. He's gonna be talking about,

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Speaker 5: you know, experimental drugs. If he wants to have a

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Speaker 5: role in the future, he should embrace being the NFL's

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Speaker 5: medicine man. Right now, he's with the Steelers, and the

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Speaker 5: Steelers are slumping. They've lost three of four. And listen,

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Speaker 5: Sunday Night's game against the Chargers was surprising and he

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Speaker 5: was mostly, if not partially, the reason they lost the game.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And he's never been he's never been stiffer looking, and

807
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Speaker 5: he's never been older. Obviously, they cannot stop time. It

808
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 5: marches forward. But you still are in the best position

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Speaker 5: to win with him as your quarterback. So along with

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Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin giving him a vote of confidence, I'm giving

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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers a vote of confidence.

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Speaker 3: I know they're in again.

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Speaker 5: They start out four and one, they're five and four,

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Speaker 5: but they did have that win over the Colts, which

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Speaker 5: was a nice win, kind of got people off their

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Speaker 5: back for a second. I think for the rest of

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Speaker 5: the year and beyond, Aaron Rodgers should be your QB

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Speaker 5: one and stick with him and ride it out. Because

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Speaker 5: the NFL goes in waves and wins and losses.

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Speaker 6: We know that, Dan, would that be uttered? Would that

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Speaker 6: rise to the level of a fantasy expertise on your

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Speaker 6: podcast Q one?

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, Well, I wouldn't recommend that as advice of

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Speaker 3: him getting a QB one.

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Speaker 2: I would not either.

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Speaker 5: Well, for the Steelers can't well yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying I'm just saying that that partly the

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Speaker 5: reasons they've lost games off and on through the season,

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Speaker 5: it's been somewhat their defense, and Aaron Rodgers is played

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Speaker 5: near that. But Aaron Rodgers is tied for fifth in

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Speaker 5: the NFL and touchdown passes, so he's still slinging it around.

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Speaker 5: And again, he's not the Aaron Rodgers of fifteen years

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Speaker 5: ago now, But I'm just giving him a vote of confidence.

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Speaker 5: They're slumping right now, but it's not all him. Sunday night,

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Speaker 5: it was that was a surprising loss, and he played

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Speaker 5: very poorly. But he also got sacked a bunch, and

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Speaker 5: so some of it's on him, some of it's on

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Speaker 5: the line, some of it is on giving the charges credit.

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Speaker 2: I do want to get to, was that your was

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Speaker 2: that your? Did you want a quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Sirdy Bob Okay, So you had Aaron.

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Speaker 1: Rodgers, Jay Stu had uh Dana Jones, all right, I

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Speaker 1: had Matt Stafford and Buyer way back thirty minutes ago

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Speaker 1: because we all fill a bustard.

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Speaker 2: I don't even remember, like Buyer, this was good?

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Speaker 1: Well it was, Oh, it's Jackson Smith and Jigba right,

847
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Speaker 1: and how we've overlooked how dominant he's been and how

848
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Speaker 1: though he's not going to he should.

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Speaker 2: Get some sort of consideration for MVP.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's good Tuesday morning quarterback and yeah Fordo, well

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Speaker 1: Tuesday Tuesday.

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Speaker 7: Here you have it your Tuesday morning quarterback in the

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Speaker 7: afternoon on the Don Gotleet Show.

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Speaker 2: It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.