Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkshon, I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshon, and
Speaker 1: we are well underway into the Division series. And Dad,
Speaker 1: you were just in Toronto. You got on a flight,
Speaker 1: you got there seven hours early to make sure you
Speaker 1: didn't miss it. Now you're in New York and we've
Speaker 1: got more podcasting for everybody. We found time to do
Speaker 1: another episode during the playoffs. It's amazing, right, Yeah, Toronto
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 2: By the way, Jeff, I saw Uncle Craig, which is
Speaker 2: always an important thing. We have family in Toronto. That
Speaker 2: ballpark is really cool, Jeff. You know it opened in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine. They've refurbished it. It's great. The crowd
Speaker 2: noise is incredible. Ernie clement, infielder for the Blue Jays,
Speaker 2: told me this place has been totally insane for the
Speaker 2: last month, but really since the middle of July, people
Speaker 2: here are really catching on to the Blue Jays. It
Speaker 2: was great. So we had a great time at Toronto.
Speaker 2: Rabbi Eduardo and I tremendous. The only downside no dive
Speaker 2: mountain dew in the city of Toronto. I looked everywhere.
Speaker 2: Now I can get through this, Jeff. I'm a grown man,
Speaker 2: but no dive mountain do in Toronto's that surprise you
Speaker 2: a little bit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've run into this is a couple times that
Speaker 1: when we've done trips to different various places growing up,
Speaker 1: when you we would go to a cabin or we
Speaker 1: would end up at a beach somewhere and you'd have
Speaker 1: to drive thirty minutes to find a diet mountain dew.
Speaker 2: I'm not that hooked. I am bad, but I'm not
Speaker 2: that bad. It's pretty bad, Jeff. But so that's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm in New York. They have dive mountain dews all
Speaker 2: over the place, and Jeff, I need to bounce something
Speaker 2: off you. Okay. The other day, some of my basketball
Speaker 2: friends from the Old Dog League, which is no longer
Speaker 2: because we're too old now, they send out a clip.
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna be specific about it. They sent
Speaker 2: out a clip of a baseball player making some very
Speaker 2: controversial remarks and I can't even tell you who it
Speaker 2: is because it would be it's slanderous to do that. Okay.
Speaker 2: So I looked at it and I showed it to Eduardo.
Speaker 2: I showed him this clip that was passed around from
Speaker 2: all of our basketball friends and he looks at me
Speaker 2: and goes, Tim, that's AI. Don't ever use that. So
Speaker 2: they had taken Jeff, You've got to help me here, okay.
Speaker 2: To me, AI is Alan Iverson Okay, who, by the way,
Speaker 2: had the greatest crossover I've he has the greatest off
Speaker 2: the dribble move in the history of the NBA. None
Speaker 2: of that matters at the moment. What matters is I
Speaker 2: would never use something like that without checking it out.
Speaker 2: But I was completely fooled by this this player. Words
Speaker 2: were coming out of his mouth that he did not say.
Speaker 2: And that's what AI can do. Am I the most
Speaker 2: naive man in the world.
Speaker 1: No, you're not. There are plenty of people, well even
Speaker 1: my age, but your generation would get fooled a little
Speaker 1: more than mine. But nonetheless, even my age, we'll see
Speaker 1: an AI photo or an AI video of of somebody
Speaker 1: saying something they didn't say. And listen, Dad, I am
Speaker 1: the first to criticize you for your age, and you
Speaker 1: know I love you. But trust me, even I've been
Speaker 1: duped by some of these AI photos or these AI videos.
Speaker 1: I think I know the exact one you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It's an AI video of.
Speaker 2: Don't use his name. I'm not kidding, it's not right.
Speaker 1: Well, you're not sharing it. We won't use the name.
Speaker 1: But I know exactly the video because I've seen the
Speaker 1: same exact video and yeah, Dad, it's it's it's all fake.
Speaker 2: It looks that Did it fool you at all? No, Jeff,
Speaker 2: who does AI things like this? What what type of
Speaker 2: person would do something like that? Dad? Well?
Speaker 1: AI stands for artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: Yes, so aware of that.
Speaker 1: It's the computer. So somebody types in show me Tim
Speaker 1: Kirkshin saying that he hates his son and this is
Speaker 1: the last episode of the podcast because he's a nightmare
Speaker 1: to work with, and they could do a video of
Speaker 1: you saying those words. It's a very scary time we're in.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go down the rabbit hole here
Speaker 1: and being dark, dad, but I want you to as
Speaker 1: youre shun. There are people, scary people out there who
Speaker 1: can like AI other people's voices, you know, and make
Speaker 1: it sound like it's me calling you. Just make sure
Speaker 1: it's me calling you. We'll have a secret word, okay.
Speaker 1: Our secret word is Walter Johnson High School. So if
Speaker 1: I don't bring up Walter Johnson High School. You know
Speaker 1: it's not me, Okay.
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff. This was troublesome and it was revealing,
Speaker 2: and as always, Eduardo Perez the greatest teammate ever. I
Speaker 2: wasn't going to release any of this, but I did
Speaker 2: ask him did you see this? And within one second
Speaker 2: he recognized this was AI at work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a scary time.
Speaker 2: Dad.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be completely honest with you, but I
Speaker 1: will say there are good uses of AI and they
Speaker 1: kind of have to do a little bit with my
Speaker 1: update for you, Dad. We are moving. We put we signed,
Speaker 1: we signed for a house. I oh, I haven't really yeah,
Speaker 1: actually I know you were doing a bit but actually yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: We're just fifteen minutes down the road, not too far
Speaker 1: from where we live currently, still in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: same school district, same everything. But yeah, we're moving houses.
Speaker 2: Well, am I paying for this one? Also?
Speaker 1: No, you're not getting pay for this one. But I
Speaker 1: will say, Dad, the point of bringing this up, the
Speaker 1: point I know, I know the point of bringing this
Speaker 1: up is because I use a thing called chat GPT,
Speaker 1: which is an AI service to help me find out Okay,
Speaker 1: what's my new monthly payment going to be? Like how
Speaker 1: much money should I put down if I want my
Speaker 1: payment to be at you know, X amount of dollars
Speaker 1: a month. So there are really positive uses. And here
Speaker 1: on the podcast as a staff of two.
Speaker 2: Jeff here and ten staff of one who knows what
Speaker 2: he's doing right.
Speaker 1: Right, you plan the show. We do the show together.
Speaker 1: I produce the show. I use small but substantial AI
Speaker 1: tools at times through this website we call that. We
Speaker 1: use it's called riverside to record when we're virtual. That
Speaker 1: kind of helped me get through the episode without having
Speaker 1: to be nitpicky. So it like cuts all the cameras
Speaker 1: for us an AI tool. So there are good uses
Speaker 1: of it, but there are scary not good uses of
Speaker 1: it Dad, So there's a.
Speaker 2: Lot a lot. After Eduardo saw that, he just looked
Speaker 2: at me and said, poor pop Up or pop Up.
Speaker 2: Even my colleagues called me poor pop Up when I
Speaker 2: screw up something like, well.
Speaker 1: We could do a whole episode full of poor Popop's dad,
Speaker 1: because I think we need to catch up on a
Speaker 1: lot of them because we have not been as good
Speaker 1: about it. But I have to give a shout out
Speaker 1: to one of our listeners. Okay, Sarah. Sarah sent us
Speaker 1: a message and she said her husband introduce her to
Speaker 1: is this a great game or what?
Speaker 2: Dad?
Speaker 1: And I know you saw this one because I saw
Speaker 1: that you had responded, and she recommended made a suggestion saying,
Speaker 1: maybe during the off season we could kind of rewind
Speaker 1: back and maybe dive deep into you know, those first
Speaker 1: time baseball fans. I'm not talking about like what's a
Speaker 1: single right, Like I think that's a little too basic,
Speaker 1: but we can go a little more into you know,
Speaker 1: what does a South Paul mean? Like why is it
Speaker 1: called that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Like the funny ins and outs of baseball, the warning track,
Speaker 1: Like we could do a whole episode Dad on like
Speaker 1: the terms of baseball that are a little bit deeper
Speaker 1: that if you hear them you might not know what
Speaker 1: they mean. Or we could do, you know, a whole
Speaker 1: episode of perfect games and no hitters right explaining obviously
Speaker 1: what they are, but then sharing some of your best
Speaker 1: stories with some of the best perfect games and best
Speaker 1: no hitter stories. I think I think this could be
Speaker 1: a really cool thing to do during the offseason. And
Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta ask, we gotta thank Sarah for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think she called it baseball one oh one
Speaker 2: or something and there. Yeah, well, look, I'm in. I'm in.
Speaker 2: I love that people who don't necessarily love or understand
Speaker 2: baseball are tuning in. That's what we're that's what we're
Speaker 2: here for. We're here to help hopefully officionados and first timers.
Speaker 1: So it's great, that's what we're here for, all right, Dad. Well,
Speaker 1: now that we've gotten our AI and house buying updates done,
Speaker 1: let's go into the takeaways of the playoffs.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I gotta start with where I've been.
Speaker 2: I saw the Blue Jays, Jeff, and I knew they
Speaker 2: were good. They won ninety four games. They're even better
Speaker 2: than I thought. Number One, they have elite defensive team.
Speaker 2: They have a plus defender virtually every position, like anytime
Speaker 2: they throw eight or eight or nine guys out there.
Speaker 2: They also have scored the fourth most runs in the
Speaker 2: major leagues Jeff, and they scored twenty three runs in
Speaker 2: the first two games of the LDS against the Yankees.
Speaker 2: No team has ever scored that many runs in the
Speaker 2: first two games of any playoff series, and included in
Speaker 2: there was a stretch of twenty unanswered runs no team
Speaker 2: has ever done that, And Jeff, this is why we
Speaker 2: love baseball so much. The guy leading the way, at
Speaker 2: least at the beginning, was Alejandro Kirk, who is I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: he's a short, fat, little catcher, and yet he's a really,
Speaker 2: really good baseball player. And he hit two homers to
Speaker 2: end the regular season a clinch situation, and then he
Speaker 2: hit two homers in his first playoff games. So he's
Speaker 2: the only player in Major league history to two homers
Speaker 2: in a clincher to end the season and then two
Speaker 2: home in the first playoff game. No one's ever done
Speaker 2: that before. And he's got you know, he's got great
Speaker 2: battball skills and defensively he's got great hands. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's all that matters. When you watch a player play,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what his body looks like. Can he play
Speaker 2: the game? Does he have the skills for it? I've
Speaker 2: told you a million times. One of the beauties of
Speaker 2: this sport is it's open to all shapes and sizes,
Speaker 2: and he is an odd shape and a really good player. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was really disappointed, Dad, because Ernie Clement, the aforementioned
Speaker 1: he hit a home run in Game two of the
Speaker 1: Alds and I was kind of in and out. I
Speaker 1: was watching my daughter McKinley while watching that game, and
Speaker 1: I ran back to the TV and I thought a
Speaker 1: guy hit a home run from the number nine spot.
Speaker 1: I got really excited, right, but he only was in
Speaker 1: the number nine spot in game one. I hadn't recognized
Speaker 1: that he was not, so I got really pumped that
Speaker 1: I was going to bring something to the table that
Speaker 1: you obviously would have had, but it was it was
Speaker 1: nothing for me. It was not.
Speaker 2: By the way, Ernie Clement looks a lot like Aaron Boone.
Speaker 2: We actually had this discussion I did with Ernie Clement
Speaker 2: and with Aaron Boone separately, and they both recognize that
Speaker 2: there's some similarities there, and they've both heard from both sides,
Speaker 2: Hey you look a little bit like each other. And Boone,
Speaker 2: of course is you know, much older. But I found
Speaker 2: that interesting that the manager and in this case, the
Speaker 2: third baseman that helped beat him in game two, they
Speaker 2: look a lot of light they do.
Speaker 1: And Dad, well, we were watching the Phillies game on
Speaker 1: Saturday night. My wife leapt into the air. Emily was
Speaker 1: so excited when there was a sacrifice fly in the game.
Speaker 1: She immediately said, I'm.
Speaker 3: So fascinated a sacrifice fly because that's like the thing
Speaker 3: she tracks now because that she knows that you are
Speaker 3: fascinated by sacrifice flies, and so she has now joined
Speaker 3: in the fascination.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad that Emily is fascinated by anything
Speaker 2: that I do. So that is great. Now, speaking of
Speaker 2: the Jays, though, Treya Savage was just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Jeff.
Speaker 2: He had pitched fourteen innings in his major league career
Speaker 2: and then out went out and pitched one of the
Speaker 2: most dominant games that anyone has ever seen in the
Speaker 2: history of the postseason. So seven different pitchers in the
Speaker 2: history of the game I have ever started a postseason
Speaker 2: game with fourteen or fewer innings in their career, and
Speaker 2: only two of them went three or more innings. This
Speaker 2: guy went five and a third, did not allow a hit,
Speaker 2: and struck out eleven. It was just unbelievable how good
Speaker 2: his stuff was. And Jeff, I need you to help
Speaker 2: me as a young guy that they were telling me
Speaker 2: before the game and during the week that no that
Speaker 2: he has the presence of Gaylord Perry going to the Mount.
Speaker 2: Gaylord Perry was an old veteran guy who would walk
Speaker 2: to that mound and make it clear to anyone who
Speaker 2: cared to listen, this is my mound. I'm in charge here,
Speaker 2: and that's the way this kid commands himself. At age
Speaker 2: twenty two, with fourteen innings in the big leagues, he
Speaker 2: started the season Jeff in a ball and then pitch
Speaker 2: one of the greatest games we've ever seen. The Yankees
Speaker 2: had zero chance, zero chance to get a hit off
Speaker 2: of this guy. How do we explain, Jeff? As I
Speaker 2: ask a young guy that our twenty two year olds
Speaker 2: are so much more advanced. I mean, George Springer of
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays told me, these kids are way better
Speaker 2: than I was when I first came up. And there's
Speaker 2: so much more polished and more worldly, he said. When
Speaker 2: I first was in the late minor leagues, he said,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm living with five guys. I'm sleeping on
Speaker 2: the floor or sharing a car. I'm eating six days
Speaker 2: a week at you know, Subway, he said. Now these
Speaker 2: kids come to the big leagues and there are personal
Speaker 2: chefs in the clubhouse. Wow, is that all part of it?
Speaker 2: These guys being more ready when they get.
Speaker 1: Here, Well, I think it definitely could be Dad, And
Speaker 1: I think his name might have something to do with
Speaker 1: it though, because you know what the kids are saying
Speaker 1: these days is savage. When someone's a savage, it's.
Speaker 2: A good thingod thing, right, So how do he pitch?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Savage?
Speaker 1: You savage tree, You've fun fact. Fun fact, Dad. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you recognize this, but our podcast is
Speaker 1: filmed in skip Back, Pennsylvania, right when we are together,
Speaker 1: And he grew up in Pottstown, Dad, that is actually
Speaker 1: twenty minutes where I go to my local costco. So
Speaker 1: he was born in Pottstown. I think he grew up
Speaker 1: in Boyertown, which is also like only twenty five minutes
Speaker 1: from here. So maybe during the off season, if he's
Speaker 1: visiting his parents, we can have him on the pod
Speaker 1: in the basement.
Speaker 2: You never know, you Savage, You never know. And I
Speaker 2: really got a kick out of the fact, Jeff, that
Speaker 2: John Schneider, the really really good manager for the Blue Jays,
Speaker 2: didn't even see this kid in spring training. He was
Speaker 2: so far he savage was on a backfield. He didn't
Speaker 2: even know. So the guy starts to advance in the
Speaker 2: minor leagues this year and John takes a look at
Speaker 2: the film here and there, and then the kid shows
Speaker 2: up and he goes he's way different in person. Okay,
Speaker 2: and Jeff, here's the lesson. We are trying to evaluate
Speaker 2: players based on a film clip or video and all
Speaker 2: this stuff, which is all good. But as you know,
Speaker 2: when a kid shows up, anybody shows up, and you
Speaker 2: look him right in the eye and then you watch
Speaker 2: him throw, it can be a completely different situation. So
Speaker 2: let's please not pass judgment on anyone till we actually
Speaker 2: meet him. Do we actually shake his hand, look him
Speaker 2: in the eye, and watch him throw a bullpen? Because
Speaker 2: when those guys watch him throw a bullpen, they went
Speaker 2: like this, whoa what is that? And then we saw
Speaker 2: what is that? On the highest level, he just absolutely
Speaker 2: dominated the New York Yankees.
Speaker 1: And now you're hearing people say about him, he is
Speaker 1: better at this than anything you will ever be in
Speaker 1: your entire life.
Speaker 2: Right, He is better at this than anything I have
Speaker 2: ever done in my life. He is better at this
Speaker 2: than anything you will ever do in your life. All right.
Speaker 1: That's how many times is searching for Bobby Fisher have
Speaker 1: been brought up in interviews. He's Andan Berke, Jeremy shapp I,
Speaker 1: wish region times. Maybe next time we have Cowerupken Jr.
Speaker 1: On We'll have to try to sneak it.
Speaker 2: In right who knows all right well speak even the Yankees, Jeff.
Speaker 2: Aaron Boone told me, this is the best Yankee team
Speaker 2: I've ever had. And he told me that that Game
Speaker 2: three of the wild Card Series against the Red Sox
Speaker 2: was the most pressure packed game he's ever been a
Speaker 2: part of. And he played in Game seven, hit a
Speaker 2: home run of the two thousand and three Alcs against
Speaker 2: the Red Sox, and he played in the World Series.
Speaker 2: But thinking this is the best team that we've I've
Speaker 2: had in New York. The pressure was enormous because if
Speaker 2: they didn't get through Boston, what a terrible, terrible disappointment
Speaker 2: that would be. But they they really need to get going, Jeff,
Speaker 2: because they're at this you know, they're they're down two
Speaker 2: oh going into Tuesday's game. But and Aaron, Judge just
Speaker 2: you just can't you can't speak without every time you
Speaker 2: see him, you can't stop. So George Springer told us
Speaker 2: the other day, blue Jay's outfielder, he was talking about
Speaker 2: the best players in the game, and he goes and
Speaker 2: someone said, Judge and he went like this, he doesn't
Speaker 2: count like he's too good. He doesn't count, like we
Speaker 2: can't even include him in the equation because he's that
Speaker 2: much better than everybody else. He said, you know, I
Speaker 2: just wish he would just be human once in a while,
Speaker 2: is how he put it. And Aaron Boon has told
Speaker 2: me multiple times here lately, this guy plays a different
Speaker 2: game than everyone else, and he's going to have to
Speaker 2: do that moving forward. Otherwise they're not going to get
Speaker 2: past the Blue Jays, and if they do, they're not
Speaker 2: going to get to the World Series. That's how important
Speaker 2: Aaron Judge is to this team.
Speaker 1: What other takeaways across beyond the series you've been covering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the Dodgers are really good, as I told you, Jeff,
Speaker 2: and as of this taping, they had a one to
Speaker 2: zero lead over your Phillies. And a couple things with them, Jeff. Look,
Speaker 2: they scored the most runs in the National League this year.
Speaker 2: They've also gone going into Tuesday Monday's game, twelve straight
Speaker 2: games in the postseason scoring at least four runs. Jeff.
Speaker 2: You face elite pitching in the postseason, and they've had
Speaker 2: twelve straight postseason games with at least four runs. The
Speaker 2: record is thirteen straight by the Orioles nineteen seventy seventy one.
Speaker 2: And so this team can really hit, and they are
Speaker 2: healthy again now that they have Will Smith back. But
Speaker 2: Roki Sazaki has been the different prints maker there, Jeff.
Speaker 2: He has pitched four innings four since he came off
Speaker 2: the injured list, and right now he's their closer because
Speaker 2: he throws a split finger fastball that nobody can hit.
Speaker 2: It's one of the filthiest things I've ever seen. And
Speaker 2: so they have taken a chance and taken a starter
Speaker 2: and thrown him in the bullpen in an impact inning,
Speaker 2: a high leverage inning, the ninth inning, and he looks
Speaker 2: like he's been doing that for ten years. So I
Speaker 2: really really like where the Dodgers are right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I had to make a team tim for
Speaker 1: all babyface team, I think Sasaki would be my closer,
Speaker 1: one of my start like would have to be on there,
Speaker 1: because I mean he and I mean this with all
Speaker 1: due respect as a guy who had a babyface for
Speaker 1: a long, long, long long time, he doesn't look like
Speaker 1: he can do what he did. He came out ut
Speaker 1: of the mound and his build and his face. He
Speaker 1: just looks so young and he can just punish the
Speaker 1: Phillies in that final inning.
Speaker 2: Well, Jeff, again, the game is open to all shapes
Speaker 2: and sizes. It's one of the beauties of the sport.
Speaker 2: And Roki Sazaki has filled a hole at least for
Speaker 2: the moment, as the closer that the Dodgers really needed
Speaker 2: to fill. Also, the Brewers to me, Jeff, you know,
Speaker 2: they clobber the Cubs in Game one. We'll see where
Speaker 2: that series goes. But I just love watching the Brewers play.
Speaker 2: The Brewers are the National League equivalent of the Blue Jays,
Speaker 2: elite defensive team. Put the ball in play more than
Speaker 2: anyone else. Take the game to the defense all the time.
Speaker 2: They're running all over the place. I really like where
Speaker 2: the Brewers are right now, And again, Jeff, balls in
Speaker 2: play with the strikeout rate the way it is when
Speaker 2: you find a team like the Brewers and the Blue
Speaker 2: Jays that can put the ball in play as often
Speaker 2: as they did. One of the analysts for the Blue
Speaker 2: Jays told me that when the Blue Jays played the
Speaker 2: Brewers this year, it was the most fun series to
Speaker 2: watch because there are two teams that mirror each other.
Speaker 2: And they really play the game the right way. And
Speaker 2: I know this sounds corny, but it matters today. If
Speaker 2: you play a different game than everyone else, it's hard
Speaker 2: to match up with you. And that's the strength of
Speaker 2: the Brewers and the strength of the Mariners. By the way, Jeff,
Speaker 2: is that starting pitching which we're starting to see, and
Speaker 2: you know, the Tigers have matched them pitch for pitch.
Speaker 2: It's been amazing. But this is also where we are
Speaker 2: in our game today. Luis Castillo, who is unhittable as
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned for the Mariners, he pitched four
Speaker 2: and two thirds hitless innings the other day and then
Speaker 2: he gave up a hit and they took him out
Speaker 2: of the game, Like this is how it works out.
Speaker 2: Granted he had walked four guys, he'd thrown a bunch
Speaker 2: of pitches, but you give up a hit now, not
Speaker 2: a run. You give up a hit, and they take
Speaker 2: you out of the game and go to the bullpen.
Speaker 1: I love seeing starters go longer games in the playoff
Speaker 1: stat I love it because you just know that's how
Speaker 1: serious they are. So when they get pulled in the
Speaker 1: fourth inning, I'm like, this is getting ridiculous. The fifth inning.
Speaker 1: Come on, I like to see starters go long games.
Speaker 1: I like to see it because it just makes me
Speaker 1: feel like it's playoff season.
Speaker 2: That's all right.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't want anybody to get hurt, but I
Speaker 1: hate when we're counting pitches in October. That's all.
Speaker 2: I totally agree, Jef. All right, last takeaway, Jeff. The
Speaker 2: Rangers hired Skip Schumacher to be their manager, replacing Bruce Bochie, who,
Speaker 2: by the way, is not done as a manager if
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to be done as a manager. Okay,
Speaker 2: So Skip Schumacher was manager of the Year for the
Speaker 2: Marlins and then they handled some things poorly and he
Speaker 2: moved on. He's a really smart guy. And I think
Speaker 2: I told you this story before. I love this Jeff.
Speaker 2: When he was a young kid, he's like five years old,
Speaker 2: he goes to a Dodger game. He loves the Dodgers
Speaker 2: at age five, and all the star Dodgers walk by
Speaker 2: him and all he wants is an autograph. He's five
Speaker 2: years old, and a bunch of the Dodgers just blow
Speaker 2: him off. So Oral Herscheiser is the last guy to
Speaker 2: come through and he sees Skip Schumacher, who's really upset.
Speaker 2: Poor kid can't get anyone to stop to sign his glove.
Speaker 2: Oral Hersheiser stops, looks at Skip Schumacher age five, and says, look,
Speaker 2: I'm not a star, but I'm on the Dodgers and
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to sign your glove. So he signs
Speaker 2: the glove and Skip Schumacher wore number fifty five as
Speaker 2: often as it was available as his uniform number as
Speaker 2: a tribute to Oral Hersheizer from Ozzie to Oral number
Speaker 2: fifty five. So when we talk about players having an
Speaker 2: impact on a young player, Skip Schumacher wore fifty five
Speaker 2: for his career because at age five, Oral Hersheiser signed
Speaker 2: his glove.
Speaker 1: Is that in the beauty, The beauty of the story
Speaker 1: is Oral Herscheiser wasn't even Oral Hrscheiser at the time
Speaker 1: of signing the glove. That's the coolest part is he
Speaker 1: the humbleness of him to say, yeah, I'm not a star,
Speaker 1: but I'm on the Dodgers. Can I help you? And
Speaker 1: ends up becoming a Hall of Famer. Just unbelievable. All right, Dad,
Speaker 1: we have a lot coming up. We've got the quirk Gins,
Speaker 1: We've got a team tim on this state all coming
Speaker 1: up next. All right, Dad, what are your quark gens
Speaker 1: going on in October?
Speaker 2: Well? I love defense in the big leagues. And cal
Speaker 2: Raley and Dylan Dinger are the catchers in the Tigers
Speaker 2: Mariners series, and neither one of them had a pass
Speaker 2: ball this year, and they're the everyday catchers for two
Speaker 2: teams playing in the same series. Cal Rawley played one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty one games behind the play no pass balls,
Speaker 2: Dylan Dinger played. Dingler played one hundred and eighteen games
Speaker 2: no pass ball. So the last time any player had
Speaker 2: caught at least one hundred and twenty games in a
Speaker 2: season without a pass ball was Johnny Bench Johnny Bench
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five. So I just think it's great when
Speaker 2: a pitcher knows my catcher is going to catch the ball.
Speaker 2: That is a really cool thing. Dylan Dingler is a
Speaker 2: really good player. But cal Raley, of course, is having
Speaker 2: an MVP that season. It's been amazing. Okay, show hey Otani.
Speaker 2: Jeff the other day struck out four times in the
Speaker 2: game in which he pitched against the Phillies. So I
Speaker 2: got a kick out of this that the last time
Speaker 2: a pitcher struck out four times in a postseason game,
Speaker 2: because again, pitchers no batten postseason anymore, and with d
Speaker 2: batten postseason a lot. The last time a pitcher won
Speaker 2: got a win in the game and struck out four
Speaker 2: times was of course a real pitcher, Jerry Royce in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, and it was show hey Otani. This
Speaker 2: time it was struck out for it, And he's a pitcher,
Speaker 2: but you know, he's really not a pitcher. He's both,
Speaker 2: he's everything. It's I just found that interesting. Do you
Speaker 2: find that interesting? Well?
Speaker 1: I think, first of all, it's amazing how many people
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia were so hyped to see him striking out
Speaker 1: so much. And that was probably the only positive they
Speaker 1: took from Game one was that Stani struck out four
Speaker 1: times in the game after they blew that lead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, be careful what you wish for there, Jeff Okay.
Speaker 2: A couple things from the regular season Jeff Byron Buckston
Speaker 2: and the Twins did not ground into a double play
Speaker 2: this year, and he can really run, but you know
Speaker 2: he also it's the ball in the air. A lot
Speaker 2: strikes out a lot. There aren't a whole lot of
Speaker 2: ground balls put in play. So I went back to
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five. You know, Buxton did it in five
Speaker 2: hundred and forty two played appearances. I went back to
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five. Only five other guys have ever in
Speaker 2: that time have batted five hundred and forty two times
Speaker 2: in a season without grounding into a double play. And
Speaker 2: the record is Craig Bigio in nineteen ninety seven had
Speaker 2: seven hundred and forty four played appearances without grounding into
Speaker 2: a double play. And that's such a valuable thing, Jeff,
Speaker 2: because you see six four threes all the time. Also,
Speaker 2: Lawrence Butler of the A's did not get hit by
Speaker 2: a pitch this year, six hundred and thirty plate appearances.
Speaker 2: No hit batters, you know, as I've told you before.
Speaker 2: You know Mark Lemke batted over three thousand times in
Speaker 2: the major leagues and never got hit by a pitch.
Speaker 2: He's switch hitters. That makes it a little bit, and
Speaker 2: he's a tough little guy who didn't mind getting hit
Speaker 2: by a pitch. Just never happened. But the last guy
Speaker 2: to bat as many times as Lawrence Butler did this
Speaker 2: year without getting hit by a pitch with David Fletcher
Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty three plate appearances in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: So it's been six years since anyone had this many
Speaker 2: plate appearances and didn't get hit by a pitch. And
Speaker 2: we've been over this, you know. Mickey Mannle got hit
Speaker 2: by a pitch thirteen times in his entire career, like
Speaker 2: Tony Gwynn got hit twenty four times in his entire
Speaker 2: John Cruck got hit twice in his entire career. These
Speaker 2: things are really really weird, all right, Jeff. Since we
Speaker 2: have a father son podcast here, I got a kick
Speaker 2: out of this. So Vlad Guerrero hit a home run
Speaker 2: the other night and became the sixth father son combo
Speaker 2: to hit a home run in a postseason game. So
Speaker 2: the others are the fielders, Prince and Cecil, Bob Boone
Speaker 2: and Aaron Boone, Bob Boone and Brett Boone, Eddie and
Speaker 2: Tony Perez, Eduardo and Tony Perez, and Julian and Stan
Speaker 2: Jabber are the other ones. So I brought this up
Speaker 2: because we were in the Yankee Clubhouse talking to Aaron Boone,
Speaker 2: and I brought this up that the Guerreros became the
Speaker 2: sixth father son combination to hit a home run in
Speaker 2: a postseason game. And two of the combos were involved
Speaker 2: in it were in the room. I mean, Booney was
Speaker 2: there and Eduardo was there. I got such a charge
Speaker 2: out of that because that whole series, you know, we've
Speaker 2: got We've got the Perezes and the Boons and the
Speaker 2: Guerreros and Gary Varshow's son, Dalton Varshow had four extra
Speaker 2: base hits in Game two of the series. So so
Speaker 2: that that leads us, Jeff, to our team Tim. Now
Speaker 2: we've done something similar to this, but I wanted to
Speaker 2: find the all Team Tim in which fathers and sons
Speaker 2: played in the major leagues but they had to play
Speaker 2: the same position. This is a little bit different, okay,
Speaker 2: and that's not so easy to do because Yogi Bearra's
Speaker 2: sons played in the major leagues, but they weren't catchers,
Speaker 2: you see what I mean? Right, all right, So my
Speaker 2: catchers are Fred and Jason Kendall. Okay, Jason Kendall was
Speaker 2: really good. His dad was a tough guy too. At
Speaker 2: first Basement or Prince and Cecil fielder. And let's see
Speaker 2: how good your memory is.
Speaker 1: Jeff finished their career with the same amount of home runs.
Speaker 2: Three hundred and nineteen. Jeff, Seriously, what are the chances,
Speaker 2: What are the chances of that happening?
Speaker 1: It's impossible, right, it's too I mean, big, big shout
Speaker 1: out to Sarah Langs on that one. That's like her
Speaker 1: favorite one of all time.
Speaker 2: Well, that's been my favorite one for years, but Sarah
Speaker 2: went went way beyond that, and it's unbelievable. The other
Speaker 2: similarities of you know, Homers on the road, Homers at home.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were like all the same. It was incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: second base is Sandy Alomar Senior and Roberto Alomar Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer. Of course, third base was hard because I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I wanted to use Tony Perez and at Wardo Perez,
Speaker 2: both of whom played third base in the major leagues.
Speaker 2: But I'm going with Buddy Bell and David Bell because
Speaker 2: both of them played more games at third base together
Speaker 2: than at Wardo and Tony Perez. And I veered a
Speaker 2: little bit at shortstop, Jeff, because I went instead of
Speaker 2: a father son combination and there were several of them
Speaker 2: to play shortstop. I picked Don and Gray Kessinger, who
Speaker 2: are a grandfather and grandson who played shortstop in the
Speaker 2: major leagues. That's pretty cool, don't you think.
Speaker 1: That's pretty neat good, nice little switch out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Gray Kessinger, who's a great defensive shortstop but
Speaker 2: has trouble staying in the big leagues because he's not
Speaker 2: a particularly good offensive player. He told me that with
Speaker 2: his grandfather, Don, who was a really good shortstop for
Speaker 2: a long time for the Cubs. He said, wherever, whenever
Speaker 2: we went anywhere as a you know, as a little
Speaker 2: leaguer or a teenager or whatever, he said, the rules
Speaker 2: were in the car, no radio, no cell phone, and
Speaker 2: Don Kessinger, the grandfather, would look at Gray and say okay,
Speaker 2: and they would talk baseball the whole time. And this
Speaker 2: is how the discussions went. You know, okay, first and third,
Speaker 2: you're playing shortstop, right handed, hitter up. You know scores
Speaker 2: this there's only one at Paul's hit to your left.
Speaker 2: What are you doing? You know? This is how Greg
Speaker 2: Kessinger learned how to play the game because his grandfather
Speaker 2: was quizzing him all the way through. And what a
Speaker 2: cool thing. I mean, this happened in our house all
Speaker 2: the time. My father, your grandfather Pop. He did this
Speaker 2: all the time with Uncle Matt, Uncle Annie and me,
Speaker 2: and it was really helpful. Because he gave us a
Speaker 2: feel for the game by talking about it all the time.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, Dad, that you brought that up
Speaker 1: is recently Emily and I were talking about how good
Speaker 1: and this is a compliment to myself, but I'll get
Speaker 1: to the point of it, how good I am at
Speaker 1: mental mouth math, how quickly I can add things up
Speaker 1: in my head, very very quickly, pretty simple math. I
Speaker 1: can do it right. And it reminded me, and she said,
Speaker 1: how is that because I wasn't like this excellent math
Speaker 1: student I got a grandfather is a PhD in mathematics.
Speaker 1: But I mean I didn't really get that math bug. Clearly,
Speaker 1: with what I chose to do with my career, I'm
Speaker 1: more musically minded. But I remember, Dad, Remember when you
Speaker 1: would take out of your cup all of the change
Speaker 1: you would have, and you would take your hand and
Speaker 1: you'd open it up and you'd have a bunch of
Speaker 1: coins in their pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters, and then you
Speaker 1: take it right back and we would have to look
Speaker 1: at it, and if we came within like a nickel,
Speaker 1: you would give us the change. You remember doing that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I did it all the time.
Speaker 1: I really think that like contributed to my ability to
Speaker 1: quickly add up and quickly mentally. I mean, were you
Speaker 1: doing that on purpose or like, did you think it
Speaker 1: would help my math or were you just goofing around?
Speaker 2: Well we were just goofing around. But who knows. You
Speaker 2: If you can look at something and figure out what
Speaker 2: it is add it in your head quickly, that's a skill.
Speaker 2: I think now that you're buying a new house, I
Speaker 2: may have to put like a bunch of one hundred
Speaker 2: dollars bills in a cup, and if you can get
Speaker 2: within a hundred, I'll give it to you because you're
Speaker 2: gonna need all the help you can get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dad, we are. We don't have a fence or
Speaker 1: a day so we have a lot of things we
Speaker 1: have to contribute to the house.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well you can have one of our decks if
Speaker 2: you want it. You just have to transport it.
Speaker 1: Well, your deck was was falling apart for a little bit,
Speaker 1: so maybe I know you got it fixed, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if I need it anymore.
Speaker 2: All right, So, Jeff, we got outfields for the father saying, now,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to give you any clues. Who is
Speaker 2: the greatest father son? Combination. Ever, when it comes to Griffy, no,
Speaker 2: they're the second fild Well.
Speaker 1: The Bonds Bonds, so the.
Speaker 2: Bondses and the Griffies are obviously our two outfielders, and
Speaker 2: then the eluse the eluse Mois's and Felipe were third JEP.
Speaker 2: That was very good. So many options, but I went
Speaker 2: with these. And my pitcher is Mel Stottemeyer, who was
Speaker 2: really really good for the Yankees, mostly in the sixties,
Speaker 2: and he had two sons that pitched in the major leagues,
Speaker 2: Mel Junior and Todd Stottemeyer. So I chose there were
Speaker 2: a bunch of choices at pitcher, but since Melstottemeyer had
Speaker 2: two sons who also pitched, I made him the pitcher
Speaker 2: on the All team.
Speaker 1: Tim what's on this state in baseball history? October the seventh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: on this date.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and one, Ricky Henderson got hit number
Speaker 2: three thousand, and I remember talking to Ricky once and
Speaker 2: he said, what is the one number that I had
Speaker 2: that you think surprises most people? And I think most
Speaker 2: people would And he said he always thought it was
Speaker 2: three thousand hits because Ricky walked so many times, much
Speaker 2: like Ted Williams and Lou Garrig and a bunch of
Speaker 2: Babe Ruth. They didn't end up with three thousand hits
Speaker 2: because they were walking all the time, and Ricky walked
Speaker 2: all the time. And Barry Bonds not three thousand hits either,
Speaker 2: but Ricky got three thousand hits. And on that day
Speaker 2: it was the last day of the season, and it
Speaker 2: was Tony Gwinn's last major league game, and Tony Gwynn
Speaker 2: welcomed Ricky Henderson at home plate after hit number three
Speaker 2: thousand to say, like, welcome to the club. Because Tony
Speaker 2: Gwynn had three thousand hits, he was great. All right,
Speaker 2: we have a birthday, Jeff. And if you get this,
Speaker 2: I am not kidding, I will do the down payment
Speaker 2: for your house. Okay. Butch Henry was born on this
Speaker 2: date in nineteen sixty eight. If you can tell me
Speaker 2: the odd arcane statistic about Butch Henry, which I have
Speaker 2: used on this podcast this year, I will put down
Speaker 2: a down payment on your house. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I remember Butch Henry. He played for the Expos, right.
Speaker 2: I'm astonished that you knew that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 2: didn't pitch for very long. Jeff. Now don't get him
Speaker 2: mixed up with Butch Patrick who played Eddie Munster on
Speaker 2: that Monsters right who.
Speaker 1: By the way, anyway, I think I know.
Speaker 2: I hope you don't because I'm not paying for your downpay. Okay,
Speaker 2: who is it?
Speaker 1: You picture? Who hit? He hit a home run for
Speaker 1: the very first hit of his career, right?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Did he hit it inside the park? Home run to
Speaker 1: win a game? Oh, at the first hit of his career.
Speaker 2: No? Oh, but he hit one homer in his whole career.
Speaker 2: That's and it was inside the park homer. Isn't that cool?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing. If you're a position player
Speaker 2: you have one homer and it's inside the park, that's
Speaker 2: unusual when you're a pitcher. Jeff, I'm going to give
Speaker 2: this to you. I'm going to send you. How much
Speaker 2: does a house cost? I'll send I'll send the down payment.
Speaker 2: What's it? What do you need? A couple hundred bucks?
Speaker 2: Is that what you need?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of hundred had a couple of zeros. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're gonna be houseport for a little while. But
Speaker 1: we're doing it. We're doing it so family can come
Speaker 1: visit us more often. So that's how you can pay
Speaker 1: me back?
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff. After the podcast, we're going to talk houses.
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of your way to go. You did it,
Speaker 2: and you're you've grown up so fast. It's so so good.
Speaker 2: Evan Longoria was born on this date in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: He was on wasn't on the podcast, but we featured
Speaker 2: him in what team Tim? Did we feature him? Or
Speaker 2: best of all? Tim?
Speaker 1: I can't remember, Oh, best of all?
Speaker 2: Best of all Tim? Jeff, Oh, the best raise player,
Speaker 2: best raised player ever? And I still got a kick
Speaker 2: out of this. He told me. His story was, I
Speaker 2: shouldn't get this big of a kick out of it.
Speaker 2: You know, when you put your credit card down for
Speaker 2: something and it doesn't print your entire name, It just
Speaker 2: prints the first three letters of your name sometimes, so
Speaker 2: he's Evan Longoria, but when you only print the first
Speaker 2: three letters, he becomes ev Longoria, famous actress. So he
Speaker 2: went to like a play or something once and somehow
Speaker 2: the seating chart got out, and he said that all
Speaker 2: sorts of people were coming by his seats thinking that
Speaker 2: ever is seeming there when it was Evan Longoria. So
Speaker 2: he kind of had to tell look, sorry, I disappointed you.
Speaker 2: I'm not her dad.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. When I was in college, there
Speaker 1: was a like the way they would take rolls sometimes
Speaker 1: or on a list of like what class you were
Speaker 1: going to be in, it would give the first four
Speaker 1: letters of your last name and then your initial. Well,
Speaker 1: people knew at Syracuse that I was the son of
Speaker 1: a ESBN broadcaster because of broadcast school, and everybody talks
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah. Well they go, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, it looks like John Cruk's son is in
Speaker 1: our class, because it was Kirk J. But in a
Speaker 1: quick reading, they thought it was Kruk Jay.
Speaker 2: Funny.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny, right, yeah, But as soon as
Speaker 1: they saw me, they knew I was not related to
Speaker 1: John Cruk.
Speaker 2: So I'll tell the quick Krooky story. Crooky told Crooky
Speaker 2: when I did the bus tour with him, which means
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time with him. He he
Speaker 2: says to me on the bus tour, like every cent,
Speaker 2: every question, every sentence with John Cruk always begins with
Speaker 2: did I ever tell you about the time? Right ellipses?
Speaker 2: And I've never heard these stories before. They're all amazing,
Speaker 2: So he said, did I ever tell you about the
Speaker 2: time I shot a deer in the hot tub? That
Speaker 2: was the question he asked me. And with krooky, with krooky,
Speaker 2: you have to ask him crooky, were you in the
Speaker 2: hot tub? Was the deer in the hot tub? Or
Speaker 2: were both of you in the heart now? And he said,
Speaker 2: he said, no, I was in the hot tub alone,
Speaker 2: he said, And I had my he said, I'm senior
Speaker 2: in high school. I got my shotgun. It's leaning up
Speaker 2: against the hot tub. And he pauses and looks at
Speaker 2: me as if he now expects me to say, yeah, Krusky,
Speaker 2: that's where I keep my shotgun. So, as an eighteen
Speaker 2: year old in West Virginia, he stood up buck naked
Speaker 2: and shot a deer in the woods and sat back.
Speaker 1: Was John Cruck buck naked? Or was the buck buck naked?
Speaker 2: Right? And what is it? Jeff?
Speaker 1: Is it's the buck naked?
Speaker 2: Is it but? Or is it butt or buck? I'm
Speaker 2: a writer. I'm not sure I know the difference between
Speaker 2: the two butt naked. It's got to be butt, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's actually both can be used, actually, and
Speaker 1: I'm googling it right now. While both buck naked and
Speaker 1: butt naked used to describe somebody as fully nude, Buck
Speaker 1: naked as older of the pair. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like just over time people have said it incorrectly.
Speaker 1: It's probably buck naked for a long time, and then
Speaker 1: it just kind of became butt naked as well.
Speaker 2: Well. That's how Buck Showalder got his name. You know,
Speaker 2: he in Mississippi State used to walk around before games.
Speaker 2: He got to the ballpark allful early and sometimes walked
Speaker 2: around without his clothes on. That's how he got his nickname.
Speaker 1: What least s he became Buck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, flash name is Nathan Yes, all right. Last
Speaker 2: one Jeff nineteen ninety two, Mookie Beds, who's active in
Speaker 2: the playoffs, was born. And Mookie has really become a
Speaker 2: way above average shortstop, which we weren't sure he was
Speaker 2: going to do that, but the amazing athleticism and as
Speaker 2: we know, the last time I talked to MOOKI about
Speaker 2: this was several years ago. But he had nine perfect
Speaker 2: games in bowling, Jeff nine. But what I took from
Speaker 2: that was he told me after I pulled it out
Speaker 2: of him, he never had a tenth game where he
Speaker 2: was one strike away from a perfect game, and then
Speaker 2: didn't make a strike. In other words, he had nine
Speaker 2: opportunities to get a perfect game, and he completed all nine.
Speaker 2: Like you would have or me or anyone else would
Speaker 2: be one ball away from a perfect game and throw
Speaker 2: it in the gutter because we would have paniced so much.
Speaker 2: Of course, when's the last time you went bowling, Jeff, Oh, gosh.
Speaker 1: I went bowling with my buddy Kyle a little while
Speaker 1: ago in Charlotte, spend a long time. My best score
Speaker 1: ever was a two fifteen. It was a pretty good score.
Speaker 1: I was in high school.
Speaker 2: That is really good, and I don't count it.
Speaker 1: And I know you're gonna you're gonna say, like, count it,
Speaker 1: But we were people had left right, so it was
Speaker 1: we were kind of rolling two lanes, just a couple
Speaker 1: of us. So I would roll in one lane and
Speaker 1: then roll on another lane like whenever I was up
Speaker 1: on both of them, so I wasn't really Yes, my
Speaker 1: score on one lane was two fifteen, no doubt about it,
Speaker 1: not lying, but I was kind of getting warm up
Speaker 1: throws and messing around. I think I shot like a
Speaker 1: one ten on the other side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not an easy game, and you've done duckpin too.
Speaker 1: Your pins fun, right, it's a good time. It's more
Speaker 1: of a Kirkshin sport. I would say it's much.
Speaker 2: Easier for us little guys. Yeah. I once went bowling
Speaker 2: with my friend Randy Youngman years and years ago on
Speaker 2: the beat, and he was a big, strong guy and
Speaker 2: he used to bowl overhand when we when we played
Speaker 2: with duckpins. He was because he threw it so hard
Speaker 2: it was unbelievable. Okay, that's all this state and baseball history. Well, Dad,
Speaker 2: this was an awesome episode. We apologize we went a
Speaker 2: little long, but we had some catching up to do.
Speaker 1: You're in the Bronx, You're in New York, Dad. You
Speaker 1: can listen to him on the call with Eduardo Perez
Speaker 1: and Carl Ravich. Big shout out to that great team.
Speaker 2: Dad.
Speaker 1: I was listening to the broadcast respectfully with the TV
Speaker 1: on mute, and I timed it perfectly so I could
Speaker 1: listen to you guys and watch the game. And I
Speaker 1: heard you tell your great joke. Hey, there's a great
Speaker 1: restaurant around here. I love it so much. Last time
Speaker 1: I was there, though, I dropped my tray.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there was food everywhere. I love that. Jeb Well,
Speaker 2: I think that I think that was an AI joke instead. Job.
Speaker 2: Oh good, I know what AI is.
Speaker 1: All right, Dad? Well, thank you so much to everybody listening.
Speaker 1: Make sure to hit subscribe and follow Caleb Joseph on
Speaker 1: the pod tomorrow and then another episode Eater Thursday or
Speaker 1: Friday this week, depending on how our series shakeout, but
Speaker 1: we'll be back. Thank you for listening, and as always,
Speaker 1: thanks for being a part of our family. Mm hmm