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Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkshon, I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshon, and

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Speaker 1: we are well underway into the Division series. And Dad,

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Speaker 1: you were just in Toronto. You got on a flight,

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Speaker 1: you got there seven hours early to make sure you

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Speaker 1: got more podcasting for everybody. We found time to do

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Speaker 1: another episode during the playoffs. It's amazing, right, Yeah, Toronto

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Speaker 2: By the way, Jeff, I saw Uncle Craig, which is

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Speaker 2: always an important thing. We have family in Toronto. That

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Speaker 2: ballpark is really cool, Jeff. You know it opened in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine. They've refurbished it. It's great. The crowd

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Speaker 2: last month, but really since the middle of July, people

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Speaker 2: Rabbi Eduardo and I tremendous. The only downside no dive

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Speaker 2: mountain dew in the city of Toronto. I looked everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Now I can get through this, Jeff. I'm a grown man,

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Speaker 2: but no dive mountain do in Toronto's that surprise you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've run into this is a couple times that

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Speaker 1: when we've done trips to different various places growing up,

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Speaker 2: I'm not that hooked. I am bad, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: I'm in New York. They have dive mountain dews all

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Speaker 2: over the place, and Jeff, I need to bounce something

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Speaker 2: off you. Okay. The other day, some of my basketball

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Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna be specific about it. They sent

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Speaker 2: So I looked at it and I showed it to Eduardo.

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Speaker 2: all of our basketball friends and he looks at me

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Speaker 2: and goes, Tim, that's AI. Don't ever use that. So

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Speaker 2: they had taken Jeff, You've got to help me here, okay.

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Speaker 2: To me, AI is Alan Iverson Okay, who, by the way,

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Speaker 2: of that matters at the moment. What matters is I

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Speaker 2: But I was completely fooled by this this player. Words

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Speaker 2: And that's what AI can do. Am I the most

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Speaker 1: No, you're not. There are plenty of people, well even

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Speaker 1: saying something they didn't say. And listen, Dad, I am

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Speaker 1: the first to criticize you for your age, and you

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Speaker 1: duped by some of these AI photos or these AI videos.

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Speaker 1: I think I know the exact one you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: It's an AI video of.

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Speaker 2: Don't use his name. I'm not kidding, it's not right.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're not sharing it. We won't use the name.

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Speaker 1: But I know exactly the video because I've seen the

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Speaker 1: same exact video and yeah, Dad, it's it's it's all fake.

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Speaker 2: It looks that Did it fool you at all? No, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: who does AI things like this? What what type of

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Speaker 1: AI stands for artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so aware of that.

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Speaker 1: It's the computer. So somebody types in show me Tim

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Speaker 1: Kirkshin saying that he hates his son and this is

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Speaker 1: the last episode of the podcast because he's a nightmare

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Speaker 1: Our secret word is Walter Johnson High School. So if

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Speaker 1: I don't bring up Walter Johnson High School. You know

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Speaker 2: All right, Jeff. This was troublesome and it was revealing,

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Speaker 2: and as always, Eduardo Perez the greatest teammate ever. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a scary time.

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Speaker 1: update for you, Dad. We are moving. We put we signed,

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Speaker 1: No, you're not getting pay for this one. But I

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Speaker 1: which is an AI service to help me find out Okay,

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Speaker 1: Right, you plan the show. We do the show together.

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Speaker 1: We could do a whole episode full of poor Popop's dad,

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Speaker 1: episode of perfect games and no hitters right explaining obviously

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Speaker 1: So it's great, that's what we're here for, all right, Dad. Well,

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I gotta start with where I've been.

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Speaker 2: I saw the Blue Jays, Jeff, and I knew they

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Speaker 1: And now you're hearing people say about him, he is

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Speaker 2: In right who knows all right well speak even the Yankees, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: years old, and a bunch of the Dodgers just blow

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Speaker 2: him off. So Oral Herscheiser is the last guy to

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Speaker 2: come through and he sees Skip Schumacher, who's really upset.

435
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Speaker 2: Poor kid can't get anyone to stop to sign his glove.

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Speaker 2: Oral Hersheiser stops, looks at Skip Schumacher age five, and says, look,

437
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Speaker 2: I'm not a star, but I'm on the Dodgers and

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Speaker 2: I'd be happy to sign your glove. So he signs

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Speaker 2: the glove and Skip Schumacher wore number fifty five as

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Speaker 2: often as it was available as his uniform number as

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Speaker 2: a tribute to Oral Hersheizer from Ozzie to Oral number

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Speaker 2: fifty five. So when we talk about players having an

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Speaker 2: impact on a young player, Skip Schumacher wore fifty five

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Speaker 2: for his career because at age five, Oral Hersheiser signed

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Speaker 2: his glove.

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Speaker 1: Is that in the beauty, The beauty of the story

447
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Speaker 1: is Oral Herscheiser wasn't even Oral Hrscheiser at the time

448
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Speaker 1: of signing the glove. That's the coolest part is he

449
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Speaker 1: the humbleness of him to say, yeah, I'm not a star,

450
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Speaker 1: but I'm on the Dodgers. Can I help you? And

451
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Speaker 1: ends up becoming a Hall of Famer. Just unbelievable. All right, Dad,

452
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Speaker 1: we have a lot coming up. We've got the quirk Gins,

453
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Speaker 1: We've got a team tim on this state all coming

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Speaker 1: up next. All right, Dad, what are your quark gens

455
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Speaker 1: going on in October?

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Speaker 2: Well? I love defense in the big leagues. And cal

457
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Speaker 2: Raley and Dylan Dinger are the catchers in the Tigers

458
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: Mariners series, and neither one of them had a pass

459
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Speaker 2: ball this year, and they're the everyday catchers for two

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Speaker 2: teams playing in the same series. Cal Rawley played one

461
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty one games behind the play no pass balls,

462
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Speaker 2: Dylan Dinger played. Dingler played one hundred and eighteen games

463
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Speaker 2: no pass ball. So the last time any player had

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Speaker 2: caught at least one hundred and twenty games in a

465
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Speaker 2: season without a pass ball was Johnny Bench Johnny Bench

466
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five. So I just think it's great when

467
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Speaker 2: a pitcher knows my catcher is going to catch the ball.

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Speaker 2: That is a really cool thing. Dylan Dingler is a

469
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Speaker 2: really good player. But cal Raley, of course, is having

470
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Speaker 2: an MVP that season. It's been amazing. Okay, show hey Otani.

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Speaker 2: Jeff the other day struck out four times in the

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Speaker 2: game in which he pitched against the Phillies. So I

473
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Speaker 2: got a kick out of this that the last time

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Speaker 2: a pitcher struck out four times in a postseason game,

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Speaker 2: because again, pitchers no batten postseason anymore, and with d

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Speaker 2: batten postseason a lot. The last time a pitcher won

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Speaker 2: got a win in the game and struck out four

478
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Speaker 2: times was of course a real pitcher, Jerry Royce in

479
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, and it was show hey Otani. This

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Speaker 2: time it was struck out for it, And he's a pitcher,

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Speaker 2: but you know, he's really not a pitcher. He's both,

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Speaker 2: he's everything. It's I just found that interesting. Do you

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Speaker 2: find that interesting? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think, first of all, it's amazing how many people

485
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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia were so hyped to see him striking out

486
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Speaker 1: so much. And that was probably the only positive they

487
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Speaker 1: took from Game one was that Stani struck out four

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Speaker 1: times in the game after they blew that lead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, be careful what you wish for there, Jeff Okay.

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Speaker 2: A couple things from the regular season Jeff Byron Buckston

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Speaker 2: and the Twins did not ground into a double play

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Speaker 2: this year, and he can really run, but you know

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Speaker 2: he also it's the ball in the air. A lot

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Speaker 2: strikes out a lot. There aren't a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: ground balls put in play. So I went back to

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five. You know, Buxton did it in five

497
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty two played appearances. I went back to

498
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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five. Only five other guys have ever in

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Speaker 2: that time have batted five hundred and forty two times

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Speaker 2: in a season without grounding into a double play. And

501
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Speaker 2: the record is Craig Bigio in nineteen ninety seven had

502
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Speaker 2: seven hundred and forty four played appearances without grounding into

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Speaker 2: a double play. And that's such a valuable thing, Jeff,

504
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: because you see six four threes all the time. Also,

505
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: Lawrence Butler of the A's did not get hit by

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Speaker 2: a pitch this year, six hundred and thirty plate appearances.

507
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: No hit batters, you know, as I've told you before.

508
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 2: You know Mark Lemke batted over three thousand times in

509
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: the major leagues and never got hit by a pitch.

510
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: He's switch hitters. That makes it a little bit, and

511
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: he's a tough little guy who didn't mind getting hit

512
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Speaker 2: by a pitch. Just never happened. But the last guy

513
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Speaker 2: to bat as many times as Lawrence Butler did this

514
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: year without getting hit by a pitch with David Fletcher

515
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty three plate appearances in twenty nineteen,

516
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Speaker 2: So it's been six years since anyone had this many

517
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Speaker 2: plate appearances and didn't get hit by a pitch. And

518
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: we've been over this, you know. Mickey Mannle got hit

519
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: by a pitch thirteen times in his entire career, like

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00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: Tony Gwynn got hit twenty four times in his entire

521
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: John Cruck got hit twice in his entire career. These

522
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: things are really really weird, all right, Jeff. Since we

523
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Speaker 2: have a father son podcast here, I got a kick

524
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Speaker 2: out of this. So Vlad Guerrero hit a home run

525
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Speaker 2: the other night and became the sixth father son combo

526
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Speaker 2: to hit a home run in a postseason game. So

527
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Speaker 2: the others are the fielders, Prince and Cecil, Bob Boone

528
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: and Aaron Boone, Bob Boone and Brett Boone, Eddie and

529
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Speaker 2: Tony Perez, Eduardo and Tony Perez, and Julian and Stan

530
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Speaker 2: Jabber are the other ones. So I brought this up

531
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Speaker 2: because we were in the Yankee Clubhouse talking to Aaron Boone,

532
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Speaker 2: and I brought this up that the Guerreros became the

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Speaker 2: sixth father son combination to hit a home run in

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Speaker 2: a postseason game. And two of the combos were involved

535
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Speaker 2: in it were in the room. I mean, Booney was

536
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Speaker 2: there and Eduardo was there. I got such a charge

537
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Speaker 2: out of that because that whole series, you know, we've

538
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: got We've got the Perezes and the Boons and the

539
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: Guerreros and Gary Varshow's son, Dalton Varshow had four extra

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Speaker 2: base hits in Game two of the series. So so

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Speaker 2: that that leads us, Jeff, to our team Tim. Now

542
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Speaker 2: we've done something similar to this, but I wanted to

543
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: find the all Team Tim in which fathers and sons

544
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: played in the major leagues but they had to play

545
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Speaker 2: the same position. This is a little bit different, okay,

546
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Speaker 2: and that's not so easy to do because Yogi Bearra's

547
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Speaker 2: sons played in the major leagues, but they weren't catchers,

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00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: you see what I mean? Right, all right, So my

549
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: catchers are Fred and Jason Kendall. Okay, Jason Kendall was

550
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Speaker 2: really good. His dad was a tough guy too. At

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Speaker 2: first Basement or Prince and Cecil fielder. And let's see

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Speaker 2: how good your memory is.

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Speaker 1: Jeff finished their career with the same amount of home runs.

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Speaker 2: Three hundred and nineteen. Jeff, Seriously, what are the chances,

555
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Speaker 2: What are the chances of that happening?

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Speaker 1: It's impossible, right, it's too I mean, big, big shout

557
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: out to Sarah Langs on that one. That's like her

558
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: favorite one of all time.

559
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's been my favorite one for years, but Sarah

560
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: went went way beyond that, and it's unbelievable. The other

561
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Speaker 2: similarities of you know, Homers on the road, Homers at home.

562
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Speaker 2: I mean, they were like all the same. It was incredible. Yeah,

563
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Speaker 2: second base is Sandy Alomar Senior and Roberto Alomar Hall

564
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Speaker 2: of Famer. Of course, third base was hard because I couldn't.

565
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Speaker 2: I wanted to use Tony Perez and at Wardo Perez,

566
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Speaker 2: both of whom played third base in the major leagues.

567
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Speaker 2: But I'm going with Buddy Bell and David Bell because

568
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: both of them played more games at third base together

569
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Speaker 2: than at Wardo and Tony Perez. And I veered a

570
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Speaker 2: little bit at shortstop, Jeff, because I went instead of

571
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Speaker 2: a father son combination and there were several of them

572
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Speaker 2: to play shortstop. I picked Don and Gray Kessinger, who

573
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Speaker 2: are a grandfather and grandson who played shortstop in the

574
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Speaker 2: major leagues. That's pretty cool, don't you think.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty neat good, nice little switch out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So Gray Kessinger, who's a great defensive shortstop but

577
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: has trouble staying in the big leagues because he's not

578
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: a particularly good offensive player. He told me that with

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Speaker 2: his grandfather, Don, who was a really good shortstop for

580
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Speaker 2: a long time for the Cubs. He said, wherever, whenever

581
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Speaker 2: we went anywhere as a you know, as a little

582
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Speaker 2: leaguer or a teenager or whatever, he said, the rules

583
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Speaker 2: were in the car, no radio, no cell phone, and

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Speaker 2: Don Kessinger, the grandfather, would look at Gray and say okay,

585
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Speaker 2: and they would talk baseball the whole time. And this

586
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: is how the discussions went. You know, okay, first and third,

587
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Speaker 2: you're playing shortstop, right handed, hitter up. You know scores

588
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Speaker 2: this there's only one at Paul's hit to your left.

589
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: What are you doing? You know? This is how Greg

590
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: Kessinger learned how to play the game because his grandfather

591
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: was quizzing him all the way through. And what a

592
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: cool thing. I mean, this happened in our house all

593
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: the time. My father, your grandfather Pop. He did this

594
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: all the time with Uncle Matt, Uncle Annie and me,

595
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: and it was really helpful. Because he gave us a

596
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Speaker 2: feel for the game by talking about it all the time.

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny, Dad, that you brought that up

598
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Speaker 1: is recently Emily and I were talking about how good

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Speaker 1: and this is a compliment to myself, but I'll get

600
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Speaker 1: to the point of it, how good I am at

601
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: mental mouth math, how quickly I can add things up

602
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: in my head, very very quickly, pretty simple math. I

603
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: can do it right. And it reminded me, and she said,

604
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Speaker 1: how is that because I wasn't like this excellent math

605
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: student I got a grandfather is a PhD in mathematics.

606
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: But I mean I didn't really get that math bug. Clearly,

607
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: with what I chose to do with my career, I'm

608
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: more musically minded. But I remember, Dad, Remember when you

609
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: would take out of your cup all of the change

610
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: you would have, and you would take your hand and

611
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: you'd open it up and you'd have a bunch of

612
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: coins in their pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters, and then you

613
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: take it right back and we would have to look

614
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Speaker 1: at it, and if we came within like a nickel,

615
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: you would give us the change. You remember doing that?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I did it all the time.

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Speaker 1: I really think that like contributed to my ability to

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Speaker 1: quickly add up and quickly mentally. I mean, were you

619
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Speaker 1: doing that on purpose or like, did you think it

620
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Speaker 1: would help my math or were you just goofing around?

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Speaker 2: Well we were just goofing around. But who knows. You

622
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Speaker 2: If you can look at something and figure out what

623
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Speaker 2: it is add it in your head quickly, that's a skill.

624
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Speaker 2: I think now that you're buying a new house, I

625
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: may have to put like a bunch of one hundred

626
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: dollars bills in a cup, and if you can get

627
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Speaker 2: within a hundred, I'll give it to you because you're

628
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: gonna need all the help you can get.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dad, we are. We don't have a fence or

630
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: a day so we have a lot of things we

631
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Speaker 1: have to contribute to the house.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well you can have one of our decks if

633
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: you want it. You just have to transport it.

634
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Speaker 1: Well, your deck was was falling apart for a little bit,

635
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: so maybe I know you got it fixed, but I

636
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: don't know if I need it anymore.

637
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Speaker 2: All right, So, Jeff, we got outfields for the father saying, now,

638
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: I'm not going to give you any clues. Who is

639
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: the greatest father son? Combination. Ever, when it comes to Griffy, no,

640
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 2: they're the second fild Well.

641
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Speaker 1: The Bonds Bonds, so the.

642
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: Bondses and the Griffies are obviously our two outfielders, and

643
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: then the eluse the eluse Mois's and Felipe were third JEP.

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00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: That was very good. So many options, but I went

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Speaker 2: with these. And my pitcher is Mel Stottemeyer, who was

646
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Speaker 2: really really good for the Yankees, mostly in the sixties,

647
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: and he had two sons that pitched in the major leagues,

648
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Speaker 2: Mel Junior and Todd Stottemeyer. So I chose there were

649
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 2: a bunch of choices at pitcher, but since Melstottemeyer had

650
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: two sons who also pitched, I made him the pitcher

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Speaker 2: on the All team.

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Speaker 1: Tim what's on this state in baseball history? October the seventh, Yeah,

653
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Speaker 1: on this date.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and one, Ricky Henderson got hit number

655
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Speaker 2: three thousand, and I remember talking to Ricky once and

656
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Speaker 2: he said, what is the one number that I had

657
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 2: that you think surprises most people? And I think most

658
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: people would And he said he always thought it was

659
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: three thousand hits because Ricky walked so many times, much

660
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: like Ted Williams and Lou Garrig and a bunch of

661
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Speaker 2: Babe Ruth. They didn't end up with three thousand hits

662
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: because they were walking all the time, and Ricky walked

663
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: all the time. And Barry Bonds not three thousand hits either,

664
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Speaker 2: but Ricky got three thousand hits. And on that day

665
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Speaker 2: it was the last day of the season, and it

666
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: was Tony Gwinn's last major league game, and Tony Gwynn

667
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: welcomed Ricky Henderson at home plate after hit number three

668
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 2: thousand to say, like, welcome to the club. Because Tony

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Speaker 2: Gwynn had three thousand hits, he was great. All right,

670
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Speaker 2: we have a birthday, Jeff. And if you get this,

671
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: I am not kidding, I will do the down payment

672
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: for your house. Okay. Butch Henry was born on this

673
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: date in nineteen sixty eight. If you can tell me

674
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Speaker 2: the odd arcane statistic about Butch Henry, which I have

675
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: used on this podcast this year, I will put down

676
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: a down payment on your house. Okay.

677
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Speaker 1: So I remember Butch Henry. He played for the Expos, right.

678
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm astonished that you knew that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he

679
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: didn't pitch for very long. Jeff. Now don't get him

680
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: mixed up with Butch Patrick who played Eddie Munster on

681
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: that Monsters right who.

682
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Speaker 1: By the way, anyway, I think I know.

683
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Speaker 2: I hope you don't because I'm not paying for your downpay. Okay,

684
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: who is it?

685
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Speaker 1: You picture? Who hit? He hit a home run for

686
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: the very first hit of his career, right?

687
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: No?

688
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: Did he hit it inside the park? Home run to

689
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: win a game? Oh, at the first hit of his career.

690
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: No? Oh, but he hit one homer in his whole career.

691
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: That's and it was inside the park homer. Isn't that cool?

692
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing. If you're a position player

693
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: you have one homer and it's inside the park, that's

694
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 2: unusual when you're a pitcher. Jeff, I'm going to give

695
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: this to you. I'm going to send you. How much

696
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: does a house cost? I'll send I'll send the down payment.

697
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: What's it? What do you need? A couple hundred bucks?

698
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: Is that what you need?

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00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of hundred had a couple of zeros. Yeah,

700
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: we're we're gonna be houseport for a little while. But

701
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: we're doing it. We're doing it so family can come

702
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: visit us more often. So that's how you can pay

703
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: me back?

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00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff. After the podcast, we're going to talk houses.

705
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of your way to go. You did it,

706
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: and you're you've grown up so fast. It's so so good.

707
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 2: Evan Longoria was born on this date in nineteen eighty five.

708
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 2: He was on wasn't on the podcast, but we featured

709
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: him in what team Tim? Did we feature him? Or

710
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: best of all? Tim?

711
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember, Oh, best of all?

712
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: Best of all Tim? Jeff, Oh, the best raise player,

713
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 2: best raised player ever? And I still got a kick

714
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: out of this. He told me. His story was, I

715
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: shouldn't get this big of a kick out of it.

716
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: You know, when you put your credit card down for

717
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: something and it doesn't print your entire name, It just

718
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: prints the first three letters of your name sometimes, so

719
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: he's Evan Longoria, but when you only print the first

720
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: three letters, he becomes ev Longoria, famous actress. So he

721
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: went to like a play or something once and somehow

722
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: the seating chart got out, and he said that all

723
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: sorts of people were coming by his seats thinking that

724
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: ever is seeming there when it was Evan Longoria. So

725
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: he kind of had to tell look, sorry, I disappointed you.

726
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: I'm not her dad.

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00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. When I was in college, there

728
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: was a like the way they would take rolls sometimes

729
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: or on a list of like what class you were

730
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: going to be in, it would give the first four

731
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: letters of your last name and then your initial. Well,

732
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: people knew at Syracuse that I was the son of

733
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: a ESBN broadcaster because of broadcast school, and everybody talks

734
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah. Well they go, oh

735
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Speaker 1: my gosh, it looks like John Cruk's son is in

736
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: our class, because it was Kirk J. But in a

737
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: quick reading, they thought it was Kruk Jay.

738
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Speaker 2: Funny.

739
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny, right, yeah, But as soon as

740
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: they saw me, they knew I was not related to

741
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: John Cruk.

742
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: So I'll tell the quick Krooky story. Crooky told Crooky

743
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: when I did the bus tour with him, which means

744
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time with him. He he

745
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: says to me on the bus tour, like every cent,

746
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: every question, every sentence with John Cruk always begins with

747
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: did I ever tell you about the time? Right ellipses?

748
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Speaker 2: And I've never heard these stories before. They're all amazing,

749
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Speaker 2: So he said, did I ever tell you about the

750
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Speaker 2: time I shot a deer in the hot tub? That

751
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: was the question he asked me. And with krooky, with krooky,

752
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: you have to ask him crooky, were you in the

753
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: hot tub? Was the deer in the hot tub? Or

754
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Speaker 2: were both of you in the heart now? And he said,

755
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: he said, no, I was in the hot tub alone,

756
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Speaker 2: he said, And I had my he said, I'm senior

757
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: in high school. I got my shotgun. It's leaning up

758
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: against the hot tub. And he pauses and looks at

759
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 2: me as if he now expects me to say, yeah, Krusky,

760
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: that's where I keep my shotgun. So, as an eighteen

761
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: year old in West Virginia, he stood up buck naked

762
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Speaker 2: and shot a deer in the woods and sat back.

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Speaker 1: Was John Cruck buck naked? Or was the buck buck naked?

764
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: Right? And what is it? Jeff?

765
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: Is it's the buck naked?

766
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: Is it but? Or is it butt or buck? I'm

767
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: a writer. I'm not sure I know the difference between

768
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 2: the two butt naked. It's got to be butt, right.

769
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's actually both can be used, actually, and

770
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm googling it right now. While both buck naked and

771
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: butt naked used to describe somebody as fully nude, Buck

772
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: naked as older of the pair. So I mean, I

773
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: feel like just over time people have said it incorrectly.

774
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: It's probably buck naked for a long time, and then

775
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: it just kind of became butt naked as well.

776
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: Well. That's how Buck Showalder got his name. You know,

777
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: he in Mississippi State used to walk around before games.

778
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: He got to the ballpark allful early and sometimes walked

779
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: around without his clothes on. That's how he got his nickname.

780
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: What least s he became Buck?

781
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, flash name is Nathan Yes, all right. Last

782
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: one Jeff nineteen ninety two, Mookie Beds, who's active in

783
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: the playoffs, was born. And Mookie has really become a

784
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: way above average shortstop, which we weren't sure he was

785
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: going to do that, but the amazing athleticism and as

786
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: we know, the last time I talked to MOOKI about

787
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: this was several years ago. But he had nine perfect

788
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: games in bowling, Jeff nine. But what I took from

789
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 2: that was he told me after I pulled it out

790
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: of him, he never had a tenth game where he

791
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: was one strike away from a perfect game, and then

792
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: didn't make a strike. In other words, he had nine

793
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: opportunities to get a perfect game, and he completed all nine.

794
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: Like you would have or me or anyone else would

795
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 2: be one ball away from a perfect game and throw

796
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: it in the gutter because we would have paniced so much.

797
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: Of course, when's the last time you went bowling, Jeff, Oh, gosh.

798
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: I went bowling with my buddy Kyle a little while

799
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: ago in Charlotte, spend a long time. My best score

800
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: ever was a two fifteen. It was a pretty good score.

801
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: I was in high school.

802
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: That is really good, and I don't count it.

803
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: And I know you're gonna you're gonna say, like, count it,

804
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: But we were people had left right, so it was

805
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: we were kind of rolling two lanes, just a couple

806
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: of us. So I would roll in one lane and

807
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: then roll on another lane like whenever I was up

808
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: on both of them, so I wasn't really Yes, my

809
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: score on one lane was two fifteen, no doubt about it,

810
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: not lying, but I was kind of getting warm up

811
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: throws and messing around. I think I shot like a

812
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: one ten on the other side.

813
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not an easy game, and you've done duckpin too.

814
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: Your pins fun, right, it's a good time. It's more

815
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: of a Kirkshin sport. I would say it's much.

816
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: Easier for us little guys. Yeah. I once went bowling

817
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: with my friend Randy Youngman years and years ago on

818
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: the beat, and he was a big, strong guy and

819
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: he used to bowl overhand when we when we played

820
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: with duckpins. He was because he threw it so hard

821
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: it was unbelievable. Okay, that's all this state and baseball history. Well, Dad,

822
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: this was an awesome episode. We apologize we went a

823
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: little long, but we had some catching up to do.

824
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: You're in the Bronx, You're in New York, Dad. You

825
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: can listen to him on the call with Eduardo Perez

826
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 1: and Carl Ravich. Big shout out to that great team.

827
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: Dad.

828
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Speaker 1: I was listening to the broadcast respectfully with the TV

829
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: on mute, and I timed it perfectly so I could

830
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: listen to you guys and watch the game. And I

831
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: heard you tell your great joke. Hey, there's a great

832
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: restaurant around here. I love it so much. Last time

833
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: I was there, though, I dropped my tray.

834
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, there was food everywhere. I love that. Jeb Well,

835
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: I think that I think that was an AI joke instead. Job.

836
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: Oh good, I know what AI is.

837
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: All right, Dad? Well, thank you so much to everybody listening.

838
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: Make sure to hit subscribe and follow Caleb Joseph on

839
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: the pod tomorrow and then another episode Eater Thursday or

840
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: Friday this week, depending on how our series shakeout, but

841
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: we'll be back. Thank you for listening, and as always,

842
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: thanks for being a part of our family. Mm hmm