WEBVTT - Episode 5: “The Strangest Thing” 0:00:15.422 --> 0:00:27.022 Pushkin last time on weds Dear. 0:00:29.862 --> 0:00:32.182 Dia was well aware of my past. 0:00:32.462 --> 0:00:36.342 We discussed that in full detail not long before we 0:00:36.382 --> 0:00:37.182 started dating. 0:00:38.942 --> 0:00:42.462 You can pretty much just take out a sharpiet and 0:00:42.542 --> 0:00:47.102 just cross out every yearn thing he says Lake literally, 0:00:47.182 --> 0:00:49.302 he just he's allergic to the truth. 0:00:50.782 --> 0:00:56.342 He is not a man that takes no. He does 0:00:56.382 --> 0:01:03.062 not accept no. Have any one of the parties, Damn 0:01:03.742 --> 0:01:08.502 or me, the kids or me was found guilty of 0:01:08.622 --> 0:01:12.222 her get appearance or had anything to do, whether disappearance 0:01:12.302 --> 0:01:14.742 or dead, we would get nothing. 0:01:26.942 --> 0:01:30.382 One thing that's been bothering me throughout my reporting is 0:01:30.382 --> 0:01:34.782 my struggle to find an objective voice. I trained at 0:01:34.782 --> 0:01:38.902 a very traditional journalism school. Our professors drummed into us 0:01:38.942 --> 0:01:44.462 the importance of being objective, unbiased, of stating the facts. 0:01:45.302 --> 0:01:49.902 Almost everyone I've spoken to has some kind of agenda. Okay, 0:01:50.382 --> 0:01:54.662 maybe not Peggy, dear sister, but everyone else has been 0:01:54.782 --> 0:01:59.782 smeared with accusations or cloaked in suspicion. I was getting 0:01:59.782 --> 0:02:04.422 pretty frustrated. Was there anyone who could be an objective outsider? 0:02:05.982 --> 0:02:10.102 And then I met Carmen Ibugnez deep conversations. 0:02:10.102 --> 0:02:12.582 I would text her whenever I would hear gunshots or 0:02:12.622 --> 0:02:16.302 screams over there, and I said, Dia uk, and She's like, yeah, 0:02:16.302 --> 0:02:18.542 it was a coyote. Oh it was a rattlesnake or 0:02:18.582 --> 0:02:20.622 you know, things like that. That's what I would do. 0:02:23.102 --> 0:02:26.542 Carmen runs a Christian youth camp just down the road 0:02:26.542 --> 0:02:30.262 from Beneatha Vista, DIA's ranch. She wouldn't go as far 0:02:30.302 --> 0:02:33.582 as calling herself a friend of DEA's. She'd heard Dea 0:02:33.622 --> 0:02:36.342 had a temper, so she tried to keep her distance. 0:02:36.902 --> 0:02:38.542 And so that's why I always had a healthy sense 0:02:38.542 --> 0:02:40.862 of boundaries with her, because I'm like, you know, I 0:02:40.942 --> 0:02:42.822 care about your dogs, I care about your animals, I 0:02:42.862 --> 0:02:45.102 care about you. But we're you know, I wasn't like 0:02:45.182 --> 0:02:46.742 friends with her like per se. 0:02:48.382 --> 0:02:51.942 Carmen remembers the last time she spoke to Dea. It 0:02:52.022 --> 0:02:55.862 was about two weeks before Dia disappeared. She says Dea 0:02:55.982 --> 0:03:00.462 was extremely upset about something Clinton and Chrissara had done. 0:03:01.102 --> 0:03:04.862 She was crying. You know what happens. We hold them 0:03:04.902 --> 0:03:06.662 in her arms and all of a sudden they turn 0:03:06.742 --> 0:03:09.622 on us. They want everything, Karma, they want everything. And 0:03:09.662 --> 0:03:12.022 I thought, okay, Dia, I know how you are. You 0:03:12.062 --> 0:03:13.942 know you're kind of dramatic as well. You know, I'm 0:03:13.982 --> 0:03:15.542 thinking in my mind, what have you done? 0:03:16.422 --> 0:03:19.902 It wasn't the first time Dea had complained about her kids, 0:03:20.502 --> 0:03:23.982 but Carmen says she tended to exaggerate, so. 0:03:23.902 --> 0:03:26.782 I kind of took everything she said with the assault 0:03:26.902 --> 0:03:30.222 because I knew she was dramatic. I thought, Okay, let's 0:03:30.622 --> 0:03:33.662 let's let's find out what's truth is about. 0:03:34.502 --> 0:03:37.702 Regardless of what Carmen thought of Dea, when she heard 0:03:37.742 --> 0:03:41.342 her neighbor was missing, she gathered her staff and leapt 0:03:41.382 --> 0:03:41.902 into action. 0:03:42.622 --> 0:03:44.422 So you know, I am a Christian and we're a 0:03:44.502 --> 0:03:48.382 Christian camp, and so I care about people, even if 0:03:48.982 --> 0:03:49.782 they're not nice. 0:03:50.742 --> 0:03:53.622 Carmen was the perfect person for this kind of job. 0:03:57.062 --> 0:04:00.142 For our summer camp, we have to practice drills for 0:04:00.822 --> 0:04:04.262 fires and also for missing camp or drill we say 0:04:04.822 --> 0:04:07.822 in case somebody, we can't find somebody, and we time 0:04:07.862 --> 0:04:11.222 ourselves and we do searches in every building. I mean, 0:04:12.062 --> 0:04:14.342 so we kind of know how to do searches for 0:04:14.382 --> 0:04:15.222 people who are missing. 0:04:15.302 --> 0:04:15.502 Right. 0:04:21.902 --> 0:04:25.022 Carmen told me her version of what happened the weekend 0:04:25.062 --> 0:04:27.862 Dea went missing, and it felt like a breath of 0:04:27.902 --> 0:04:35.222 fresh air because finally I had an impartial version of events. Finally, 0:04:35.822 --> 0:04:38.862 I felt like I was holding a piece of the truth. 0:04:41.222 --> 0:04:44.862 We honestly got Okay, she probably went hiking and just 0:04:45.262 --> 0:04:48.102 injured herself. That was the main you know, that's what 0:04:48.142 --> 0:04:51.422 we've done. We're gonna go find her. We will find her. 0:04:53.342 --> 0:04:59.422 I'm Lucy Sheriff, and this is Where's Dea Episode five. 0:05:00.142 --> 0:05:16.862 The strangest thing when Carmen and her staff showed up 0:05:16.902 --> 0:05:20.142 to Benita Vista Ranch on that Sunday in twenty twenty, 0:05:20.742 --> 0:05:24.542 the day after Dia disappeared, they expected to be greeted 0:05:24.662 --> 0:05:28.862 with open arms, but that's not exactly what happened. 0:05:29.742 --> 0:05:32.342 It was the strangest thing. You know, you would think 0:05:32.422 --> 0:05:34.982 Harper would have said, hey, thank you for coming. It 0:05:35.022 --> 0:05:39.222 was almost like we were like in the way kind 0:05:39.262 --> 0:05:41.942 of thing. It didn't feel like that we were. 0:05:41.822 --> 0:05:47.662 Welcome, regardless of the chilly welcome. Carmen got straight to work. 0:05:50.702 --> 0:05:53.462 We got a megaphone from our camp, We got all 0:05:53.542 --> 0:05:55.502 kinds of tools from our camp just to take with us, 0:05:55.902 --> 0:05:59.182 and I was using it to yell out for Dia basically, 0:05:59.902 --> 0:06:03.742 and a lot of people were out there, and at 0:06:03.742 --> 0:06:06.102 one point I became very frustrated. Because I thought, well, 0:06:06.102 --> 0:06:09.142 what's going on? And then I, you know, I'm feeling 0:06:09.382 --> 0:06:12.942 like we're just there's no direction to this right. 0:06:13.782 --> 0:06:16.542 At some point, Carmen called a friend of hers who 0:06:16.582 --> 0:06:18.142 worked at the Sheriff's department. 0:06:18.902 --> 0:06:21.142 I stood on a rap because there's no signal, and 0:06:21.182 --> 0:06:23.942 I say, hey, why aren't you here? Said Carman, we 0:06:24.022 --> 0:06:26.302 can't be out there till tomorrow. Anyways, you know it's 0:06:26.342 --> 0:06:27.142 forty eight hours. 0:06:28.022 --> 0:06:31.742 Oh yeah, that forty eight hour thing. Again, it's funny 0:06:31.742 --> 0:06:34.302 that someone who works at the Sheriff's department would say that, 0:06:34.942 --> 0:06:40.382 because Riverside's own standards manual specifically says the officers shouldn't 0:06:40.422 --> 0:06:44.262 wait before acting on a missing person's report. They're supposed 0:06:44.262 --> 0:06:52.062 to begin investigations right away. I did reach out to 0:06:52.062 --> 0:06:55.582 the Sheriff's department to ask them about this discrepancy and 0:06:55.622 --> 0:06:59.062 many other things, but I did not get any response. 0:07:01.142 --> 0:07:04.182 Back to Carmen's phone call, she told her friend she 0:07:04.262 --> 0:07:08.462 thought Harper was acting suspicious. He didn't share any details 0:07:08.462 --> 0:07:11.382 that could help with the search, like which places he'd 0:07:11.382 --> 0:07:12.142 already checked. 0:07:12.502 --> 0:07:14.862 They said, I have all kinds of red flags going on, then, 0:07:14.942 --> 0:07:16.782 just all kinds of warms going off in my head. 0:07:16.822 --> 0:07:19.542 I said, there's something not right, I said, and I said, 0:07:19.582 --> 0:07:21.182 I'm usually right about these things. 0:07:21.582 --> 0:07:23.502 There was also something else, calm and. 0:07:23.582 --> 0:07:27.062 Noticed he's writing around on acquad with this woman who 0:07:27.102 --> 0:07:29.302 I don't know who she is, which is Diane Fetter. 0:07:29.822 --> 0:07:31.342 To me, it looked like there was something going on 0:07:31.382 --> 0:07:31.902 between them. 0:07:32.742 --> 0:07:35.902 Clinton has mentioned this to me too, that he and 0:07:35.982 --> 0:07:41.302 his private investigator thought Diana Fedder, DIA's friend may have 0:07:41.382 --> 0:07:46.422 been romantically involved with Harper, to be very clear, though 0:07:46.902 --> 0:07:53.062 Harper and Diana both deny this. Eventually, one of Carmen 0:07:53.102 --> 0:07:58.782 and DEA's neighbors mentioned something incredibly useful. The ranch was 0:07:58.942 --> 0:08:01.702 covered in security cameras. 0:08:01.582 --> 0:08:03.142 And she was like, there's not a place here that 0:08:03.182 --> 0:08:05.742 Dia has not wired with a camera. She was like, 0:08:05.782 --> 0:08:07.662 and I know that because I just thought the other 0:08:07.742 --> 0:08:09.942 day I was feeding the animals, and she was like, 0:08:09.982 --> 0:08:11.942 she would talk to me through the cameras. She said, 0:08:11.982 --> 0:08:14.142 so there's got to be something that shows us what 0:08:14.302 --> 0:08:15.142 happened yesterday. 0:08:16.542 --> 0:08:19.222 And because common is common, she sent him one of 0:08:19.222 --> 0:08:21.302 her IT guys to check them out. 0:08:22.062 --> 0:08:25.622 So he went inside and he couldn't get it to 0:08:25.622 --> 0:08:27.702 come up in the server to turn on. He couldn't 0:08:27.702 --> 0:08:31.862 get it to boot up. Basically, he thought that somebody 0:08:31.862 --> 0:08:35.022 had tempered with it and had damaged it so they 0:08:35.102 --> 0:08:40.062 couldn't wow, you know, he said, something happened here. I 0:08:40.142 --> 0:08:42.622 don't feel comfortable going back in there by myself. I 0:08:42.662 --> 0:08:45.982 feel like I'm at a crime scene and I'm putting 0:08:46.022 --> 0:08:47.422 my fingerprints all over the place. 0:08:48.782 --> 0:08:52.342 Another member of Common's group went to search the meadow. 0:08:53.102 --> 0:08:57.742 She told Common what she saw. Ruby DEA's faithful dog 0:08:57.862 --> 0:09:01.062 had followed her and went straight up to a patch 0:09:01.222 --> 0:09:02.462 of fresh dirt. 0:09:03.102 --> 0:09:05.222 She said, a dog laid down right there on the 0:09:05.302 --> 0:09:08.222 fresh shirt. We turned around and he didn't want to leave. 0:09:09.302 --> 0:09:12.622 It's almost like it was like maybe she was there, 0:09:13.422 --> 0:09:15.222 she said, the dog but did not want to leave. 0:09:15.502 --> 0:09:18.022 We finally kind of coaxed her back and got her 0:09:18.022 --> 0:09:19.422 to go back with us. 0:09:20.662 --> 0:09:23.662 When Carmen and her staff got back from being out 0:09:23.662 --> 0:09:26.422 in the heat, they wanted to make sure to check 0:09:26.622 --> 0:09:30.422 every building on the property before they left. There was 0:09:30.502 --> 0:09:35.542 one last place Carmen wanted to search, Harper's white Ford 0:09:35.862 --> 0:09:36.462 motor home. 0:09:37.222 --> 0:09:39.422 I said, I just need to have everybody because I 0:09:39.462 --> 0:09:41.262 kind of wanted to take over at that point and said, well, 0:09:41.302 --> 0:09:44.422 somebody needs to go and look, and then they came 0:09:44.462 --> 0:09:45.422 back and they said what. 0:09:47.742 --> 0:09:51.582 And so nobody offered a key. Nobody no. 0:09:51.982 --> 0:09:54.622 And that's the thing I was like, that's when I 0:09:54.622 --> 0:09:57.262 started just getting Really that was a Sunday when we 0:09:57.262 --> 0:10:00.502 were all just like, you know, this does not feel good. 0:10:01.222 --> 0:10:03.542 We were just that was just like the final confirmation 0:10:03.982 --> 0:10:05.582 we just need to wait for the cops to get 0:10:05.622 --> 0:10:06.302 here kind of thing. 0:10:06.742 --> 0:10:06.942 You know. 0:10:07.062 --> 0:10:10.982 The consensus was among my staff it was, look, I 0:10:11.022 --> 0:10:13.782 think we just got called over to put all kinds 0:10:13.782 --> 0:10:19.262 of footprints everywhere and to just damage the crime scene. Basically. 0:10:19.822 --> 0:10:23.182 That's how we felt at that moment. And so we laughed. 0:10:23.862 --> 0:10:27.262 And that was the final thing that just stuck in 0:10:27.262 --> 0:10:29.382 my head. Why couldn't we get into that motor home. 0:10:30.542 --> 0:10:33.582 Calm and return the next day on the Monday with 0:10:33.702 --> 0:10:38.622 homemade missing person's leaflets in hand? But by then Harper 0:10:38.822 --> 0:10:42.142 and his motor home were gone. He was on his 0:10:42.222 --> 0:10:46.542 way to New Mexico. 0:10:48.222 --> 0:10:49.942 And I'm like, why would you lead? 0:10:50.222 --> 0:10:54.542 So this is your girlfriend. You're supposedly distraught about her, 0:10:54.662 --> 0:10:57.702 right I would be. I was distraught even if and 0:10:57.742 --> 0:11:00.022 I wasn't that post idea. You know, I'm thinking, how 0:11:00.022 --> 0:11:02.182 can I be more upset about this than you. You know, 0:11:02.822 --> 0:11:03.702 how is this that? 0:11:03.822 --> 0:11:04.142 This is? 0:11:04.422 --> 0:11:09.022 That is not right? How did he just take off? 0:11:09.262 --> 0:11:12.382 That weekend of searching, Carmen kept tabs on the ranch. 0:11:13.102 --> 0:11:16.862 Diana and Harper held DEA's power of attorney, although nobody 0:11:16.862 --> 0:11:20.102 else seemed to know this yet. When the cops had 0:11:20.142 --> 0:11:23.542 finished their search, they turned over the ranch keys to 0:11:23.662 --> 0:11:28.702 DEA's children, who locked the gate. But one night, soon 0:11:28.742 --> 0:11:32.622 after the search, Carmen noticed a car heading up the 0:11:32.702 --> 0:11:34.822 road towards Benita Vista Ranch. 0:11:42.062 --> 0:11:44.342 So I saw Kara go over there, and I went 0:11:44.382 --> 0:11:45.982 over there is excuse me, what are you doing? 0:11:46.662 --> 0:11:49.742 To calm and surprise it was Diana Fedder. 0:11:50.582 --> 0:11:52.662 That's the one time that I thought, oh my goodness, 0:11:52.702 --> 0:11:54.462 what the heck is this woman doing here. I don't 0:11:54.462 --> 0:11:56.462 think anybody, I said, I don't think anybody's supposed to 0:11:56.502 --> 0:11:58.622 be over here. Said nobody's supposed to be here. She 0:11:58.742 --> 0:12:00.822 was like, I just I just can't get a few 0:12:00.862 --> 0:12:04.342 things from the truck, something for the animals. 0:12:05.262 --> 0:12:08.262 Carmen had called the Sheriff's department as soon as she'd 0:12:08.302 --> 0:12:11.582 seen the car, and when an officer showed up, she 0:12:11.702 --> 0:12:19.142 went back home. Carmen brought up so many things, but 0:12:19.182 --> 0:12:22.142 there was one thing she mentioned that to this day 0:12:22.742 --> 0:12:26.782 still stands out to me. She told me what Harper 0:12:26.862 --> 0:12:30.142 said he'd been doing during the window of time Deer 0:12:30.222 --> 0:12:30.862 went missing. 0:12:32.302 --> 0:12:35.022 So the story of what he was doing on Saturday 0:12:35.342 --> 0:12:38.582 kept changing. When we were there that day on Sunday 0:12:38.622 --> 0:12:41.382 to SERGEI said he had been burying brush in the meadow, 0:12:42.902 --> 0:12:45.542 like burying brush, what the heck? And then later on 0:12:45.622 --> 0:12:48.302 he changed his story too, I was mowing the meadow. 0:12:50.022 --> 0:12:54.542 This, by the way, is Harper's only alibi that he 0:12:54.702 --> 0:13:01.382 was out mowing the meadow. Speaking with Carmen brought me 0:13:01.502 --> 0:13:06.142 back to the immediate aftermath of Deer's disappearance. I felt 0:13:06.182 --> 0:13:08.502 like I was seeing those crucial first days in a 0:13:08.582 --> 0:13:12.542 new light. But my conversation with her also raised a 0:13:12.542 --> 0:13:19.662 lot of questions about Harper and Diana. More on that 0:13:20.102 --> 0:13:52.262 after the break, I found a whole story about Diana 0:13:52.302 --> 0:13:57.182 Fedder taking stuff out of Deer's truck. So bizarre it 0:13:57.262 --> 0:14:00.542 was at night, the ranch had been locked shut, and 0:14:00.662 --> 0:14:06.782 Harper was away. What was she doing there? Incidentally, Diana 0:14:06.822 --> 0:14:09.822 had actually told me the whole truck story before, without 0:14:09.822 --> 0:14:13.102 me even asking about it. The first time I spoke 0:14:13.142 --> 0:14:14.342 to her. 0:14:16.182 --> 0:14:21.382 Let's see, so the Sheriff's department ended their thing on Wednesday, 0:14:22.302 --> 0:14:23.142 because that's today. 0:14:23.262 --> 0:14:29.462 I went back to get the canned dog food for Ruby. 0:14:30.062 --> 0:14:33.742 Ruby, remember is DEAs doc who had gone with Harper 0:14:33.982 --> 0:14:38.462 on his trip to New Mexico. Also, he didn't take Ruby. 0:14:38.462 --> 0:14:41.422 In the end, he did, but he didn't have the 0:14:41.462 --> 0:14:44.142 proper food. And I was you know, I wasn't aware 0:14:44.182 --> 0:14:46.622 of the proper food that she was supposed to be 0:14:46.622 --> 0:14:47.262 being fed. 0:14:47.822 --> 0:14:50.422 And they said, well, she always kept cans in her truck. 0:14:50.782 --> 0:14:52.302 So I went back to go get the cans to 0:14:52.302 --> 0:14:54.902 figure out what kind of medicated food she was eating. 0:14:57.782 --> 0:15:01.022 This interview happened early on in my reporting, before I 0:15:01.102 --> 0:15:04.662 knew about all the weird twists and turns. But after 0:15:04.702 --> 0:15:07.062 I spoke with Carmen, I felt I had to call 0:15:07.102 --> 0:15:07.782 Diana back. 0:15:08.462 --> 0:15:12.302 I wanted to run through some more of these questions. 0:15:13.502 --> 0:15:18.302 So I've spoken to Carmen and I just wanted to 0:15:18.382 --> 0:15:20.822 run Oh was that the neighbor? 0:15:21.102 --> 0:15:21.342 Yes? 0:15:22.022 --> 0:15:22.262 Yeah. 0:15:22.342 --> 0:15:25.862 This time Dana gave me a more detailed account about 0:15:25.862 --> 0:15:28.662 the night she went to DIA's truck. She told me 0:15:28.742 --> 0:15:31.622 she went to the ranch with a friend. I mentioned 0:15:31.822 --> 0:15:36.102 finding the dog food again along with something else. 0:15:36.382 --> 0:15:39.782 And I told this to the police. Offer Ellie went 0:15:39.822 --> 0:15:47.942 to the truck and the windows were down. We opened 0:15:47.942 --> 0:15:55.382 the door, the alarm went off, and we grabbed two balls, 0:15:55.862 --> 0:16:02.582 thigh balls, a leash, uh, some tand of food from 0:16:02.582 --> 0:16:07.742 the car. And on the flank feet was a scape 0:16:08.582 --> 0:16:12.462 like the up a lock bop mm hmm. And when 0:16:12.502 --> 0:16:15.542 I when I opened it, there was a gun in there. 0:16:16.062 --> 0:16:16.702 Oh. 0:16:17.182 --> 0:16:22.102 I'm like, okay, why is there a lock box on 0:16:22.142 --> 0:16:25.022 the front feet with a gun? And why did the 0:16:25.022 --> 0:16:28.782 police not take it with them? So I leave my 0:16:28.902 --> 0:16:32.062 friend and we go out fine, and I guess that 0:16:32.182 --> 0:16:34.302 was Carmen and her husband. They were walking their dog 0:16:34.462 --> 0:16:36.702 or walking and they should well we heard a lot, 0:16:36.942 --> 0:16:39.742 so yeah, we needed to get dog food, so Ruby 0:16:40.302 --> 0:16:44.422 and we showed them everything, and then I locked up 0:16:44.422 --> 0:16:46.182 the weapon and then told the police about it. 0:16:50.142 --> 0:16:54.382 So to recap Diana found one of these guns India's 0:16:54.382 --> 0:16:58.822 truck Ondia's ranch, which by that point I'm guessing was 0:16:58.862 --> 0:17:03.862 a potential crime scene, and she took it. Diana said 0:17:03.862 --> 0:17:07.062 it was for safety reasons, so why didn't. 0:17:07.462 --> 0:17:11.142 I did not feel un comfortable a loaded weapon sitting 0:17:11.182 --> 0:17:13.942 in the front seat of my friend's vehicle with the 0:17:13.942 --> 0:17:18.862 windows there on property where nobody is staying. You know 0:17:18.982 --> 0:17:21.542 that anybody could come on. I'm like, no, no, no, no, 0:17:21.942 --> 0:17:23.782 So what. 0:17:23.822 --> 0:17:24.502 Happened to it? 0:17:26.502 --> 0:17:26.662 Oh? 0:17:26.702 --> 0:17:27.342 For the weapon? 0:17:27.662 --> 0:17:33.302 Yeah, I told the police about it, and then Hartwork 0:17:33.502 --> 0:17:36.622 said that he wanted the weapon and I said it 0:17:36.782 --> 0:17:39.862 fine in my faith, and he goes, no, I want 0:17:39.862 --> 0:17:44.942 to keep all of thea's property on the property. And 0:17:44.982 --> 0:17:46.382 I'm like, okay, well, what can I say? 0:17:46.462 --> 0:17:46.782 Now? 0:17:46.862 --> 0:17:48.862 I can't tell him. I'm not going to give it 0:17:48.862 --> 0:17:52.462 to him. I mean, because now you know, technically he's 0:17:52.502 --> 0:17:55.422 in charge. So I let the police know that I 0:17:55.462 --> 0:17:56.502 had to give him the weapon. 0:17:57.422 --> 0:18:00.462 By many accounts, dear did own a lot of guns. 0:18:01.302 --> 0:18:03.662 I tried to find out what happened to that one. 0:18:04.262 --> 0:18:07.142 Harper says he doesn't have it anymore, and the police 0:18:07.142 --> 0:18:16.542 didn't respond to my questions about it. In general, Diana 0:18:16.582 --> 0:18:20.302 disputed a lot of what Carmen told me, particularly about 0:18:20.302 --> 0:18:21.222 her and Harper. 0:18:22.102 --> 0:18:26.622 Harper and I have never been in a relationship. I 0:18:26.662 --> 0:18:35.542 met him. I think it's been twice before Dia disappeared. Yeah, 0:18:35.582 --> 0:18:40.702 he's just a Yeah. 0:18:40.782 --> 0:18:43.262 While I had Diana on the phone, I wanted to 0:18:43.302 --> 0:18:47.702 ask her about some of Clinton's allegations. He believes that 0:18:47.822 --> 0:18:51.102 Diana had something to do with Dear's disappearance and that 0:18:51.142 --> 0:18:54.622 she was working with Harper. He's been pretty adamant to 0:18:54.622 --> 0:18:56.382 me that you're involved somehow. 0:18:57.142 --> 0:19:01.102 Yeah, he's told the police that, and he's told everybody else. 0:19:01.262 --> 0:19:04.422 Just because you happened to be asked by a friend 0:19:05.262 --> 0:19:10.822 to help them, there is state or what have you 0:19:10.942 --> 0:19:16.742 when you ask, does not automatically make you the bad guy. 0:19:18.182 --> 0:19:21.662 Diana denied having anything to do with Dear's disappearance. 0:19:23.342 --> 0:19:27.102 I mean, I can understand, you know, like if something 0:19:27.182 --> 0:19:29.582 happened to somebody's spouse, the person they could look to 0:19:29.782 --> 0:19:33.542 is the other spouse, you know, and I can understand 0:19:33.622 --> 0:19:39.222 why they would consider it at first. But there's no gain, Yeah, 0:19:39.342 --> 0:19:43.462 none at all, you know, I mean the I mean 0:19:43.982 --> 0:19:46.742 there's no money, there's. 0:19:46.542 --> 0:19:51.582 Nothing, Diana said. There's no value in DEA's trust. Dear 0:19:51.782 --> 0:19:55.062 was so in debt. Diana said that her estate is 0:19:55.222 --> 0:19:58.582 pretty much worthless. This is hard for me to verify 0:19:59.102 --> 0:20:01.822 because the legal guardian of Deer's estate won't tell me 0:20:01.942 --> 0:20:07.382 anything about DEA's financial situation. But according to court records, 0:20:07.942 --> 0:20:13.062 Deer's estate could be worth millions regardless. A couple of 0:20:13.182 --> 0:20:17.462 years ago, Diana withdrew as DEA's trustee anyway, giving up 0:20:17.502 --> 0:20:23.022 any claim on DEA's assets. And there was one last 0:20:23.062 --> 0:20:27.502 thing that Diana told me that directly correlated to something 0:20:27.582 --> 0:20:32.022 Carmen had said. I asked Diana why Carmen wasn't allowed 0:20:32.022 --> 0:20:35.342 to search the RV. Diana was surprised and said the 0:20:35.422 --> 0:20:36.782 r V had been searched. 0:20:37.222 --> 0:20:39.542 It was searched twice. It was searched on. 0:20:41.062 --> 0:20:45.942 Uh Sunday, and it was searched again on Monday before 0:20:45.982 --> 0:20:46.902 he departed in it. 0:20:47.902 --> 0:20:51.102 But there was nothing in it, nothing that way to concern. 0:20:51.742 --> 0:20:55.182 And then she told me this, The only thing. 0:20:55.102 --> 0:21:00.742 That conswer was the r V was parked in the field, 0:21:01.102 --> 0:21:05.302 in the horse field, okay, and Harper had told the 0:21:05.342 --> 0:21:08.142 police that he was mowing the field. 0:21:10.022 --> 0:21:16.382 When she supposedly disappeared. Yeah, and he could look because 0:21:16.502 --> 0:21:17.662 it was up to their knees. 0:21:21.582 --> 0:21:25.142 So first Carmen tells me howp had changed his alibi 0:21:25.782 --> 0:21:29.862 from burying brush in the meadow to mowing it. And 0:21:29.902 --> 0:21:34.422 then Diana tells me that the grass was definitely not moan. 0:21:35.422 --> 0:21:37.302 That's really interesting about the meadow. 0:21:38.862 --> 0:21:42.462 That's pretty good, great, And he apparently was out there 0:21:42.502 --> 0:21:45.622 for hours mowing the meadow. Well, I can tell you 0:21:45.742 --> 0:21:49.142 right now that the amount of time that he said 0:21:49.222 --> 0:21:54.662 he's spent in the meadow mowing, it's in collect m 0:21:55.862 --> 0:21:59.782 He said he was out there for almost six hours. 0:22:02.062 --> 0:22:05.742 There's no way in heck he could have been out 0:22:05.742 --> 0:22:07.742 there for six hours unless you took an OAP. 0:22:12.902 --> 0:22:16.462 I couldn't help wondering where were the police in all 0:22:16.502 --> 0:22:21.142 of this? Have they checked out Harper's alibi? I don't 0:22:21.182 --> 0:22:24.102 know if they did, But what I did learn is 0:22:24.102 --> 0:22:28.702 that Harper wasn't exactly concerned about alibis, because it turns 0:22:28.742 --> 0:22:33.102 out he claims he's known all along exactly what happened 0:22:33.142 --> 0:22:37.822 to Dia, and he'd seen it all unfold on the 0:22:37.862 --> 0:23:41.862 security camera's tapes. We'll be right back. In May twenty 0:23:41.982 --> 0:23:46.542 twenty three, around Memorial Day, three people broke into Benita 0:23:46.582 --> 0:23:50.902 Vista Ranch. According to a police report, they stole some 0:23:50.942 --> 0:23:55.382 power tools, an old car, and a tractor. They were 0:23:55.502 --> 0:24:00.182 arrested at the ranch and later pled guilty. The reason 0:24:00.222 --> 0:24:03.302 I'm telling you about this is because it's after this 0:24:03.382 --> 0:24:08.542 burglary happens three years into our interviews that Harper suddenly 0:24:08.582 --> 0:24:12.862 mentions something new, something he has never told me before. 0:24:17.542 --> 0:24:22.342 I'm stuck. I'm stuck with what we do once we 0:24:22.422 --> 0:24:27.942 find her. You know, obviously, you know, in my opinion, 0:24:28.022 --> 0:24:30.942 they've always known it was a murder because the video 0:24:31.142 --> 0:24:36.022 shows that. And why they the video that was here 0:24:36.102 --> 0:24:41.782 at the lange that was taken. Oh, well, I. 0:24:41.742 --> 0:24:43.142 Don't know anything about that video. 0:24:43.182 --> 0:24:49.502 What video is that? Yeah, we had surveillance on the 0:24:49.662 --> 0:24:54.022 area in which she was assaulted. 0:24:54.422 --> 0:25:01.742 Basically, this man, who I've been speaking to for three 0:25:01.862 --> 0:25:05.062 years by this point, is suddenly telling me about a 0:25:05.102 --> 0:25:10.142 security camera which captured Dea being kidnapped. And he's never 0:25:10.342 --> 0:25:14.142 ever mentioned this before. In fact, he told me this 0:25:14.502 --> 0:25:15.422 in twenty twenty one. 0:25:15.862 --> 0:25:19.382 I always believe that she was going to a safe song, 0:25:19.982 --> 0:25:22.622 so I always felt that she laughed that. I always 0:25:22.702 --> 0:25:25.782 felt that she would contact me and let me know 0:25:25.902 --> 0:25:28.622 that she was fine. The contact never comes. 0:25:29.502 --> 0:25:32.982 That same year, right before I was thinking of visiting 0:25:32.982 --> 0:25:37.062 the ranch, Harper told me something else. He told me 0:25:37.662 --> 0:25:40.622 the security cameras hadn't captured anything. 0:25:41.222 --> 0:25:43.902 Yeah, you know what, I'll take you upstairs and show 0:25:43.942 --> 0:25:44.702 you the cameras. 0:25:44.742 --> 0:25:48.782 How how they do not see what happens is beyond. 0:25:48.502 --> 0:25:49.782 Me and lie. 0:25:50.342 --> 0:25:52.862 And when he finally does mention the videotapes to me 0:25:53.062 --> 0:25:57.822 all those years later, he describes in detail what he 0:25:57.902 --> 0:26:02.422 watched on this footage. He launches into this wild chronicle 0:26:02.982 --> 0:26:04.542 about dear being kidnapped. 0:26:09.582 --> 0:26:15.582 It takes place between the main house and what we 0:26:15.742 --> 0:26:19.982 call the cabin, which is across the street from the 0:26:20.022 --> 0:26:24.422 main house. They surround her as she's coming. They do 0:26:24.582 --> 0:26:28.582 not cause they do not communicate. They just surround her 0:26:29.782 --> 0:26:34.222 and that's where the big guy halts off and hits 0:26:34.262 --> 0:26:36.662 her to the side of the white cheek. 0:26:38.542 --> 0:26:41.222 He tells me that Deer's attorney called him after Deer 0:26:41.262 --> 0:26:44.742 went missing and told him to watch the security camera footage. 0:26:45.502 --> 0:26:48.142 I tried to double chat this with Deer's attorney, but 0:26:48.182 --> 0:26:51.102 in the middle of all of this he died so 0:26:51.422 --> 0:26:56.302 I couldn't. Harper also tells me the detective Alberta. Lerero 0:26:56.542 --> 0:27:00.222 of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department has seen the footage too. 0:27:01.062 --> 0:27:04.702 He's been asked if who they were and why they 0:27:04.702 --> 0:27:09.862 haven't been identified. He claims that the video is not 0:27:10.142 --> 0:27:13.902 clear enough to do facial recognition on it. 0:27:14.462 --> 0:27:18.982