Speaker 1: Pushkin last time on weds Dear.
Speaker 2: Dia was well aware of my past.
Speaker 3: We discussed that in full detail not long before we
Speaker 3: started dating.
Speaker 4: You can pretty much just take out a sharpiet and
Speaker 4: just cross out every yearn thing he says Lake literally,
Speaker 4: he just he's allergic to the truth.
Speaker 2: He is not a man that takes no. He does
Speaker 2: not accept no. Have any one of the parties, Damn
Speaker 2: or me, the kids or me was found guilty of
Speaker 2: her get appearance or had anything to do, whether disappearance
Speaker 2: or dead, we would get nothing.
Speaker 1: One thing that's been bothering me throughout my reporting is
Speaker 1: my struggle to find an objective voice. I trained at
Speaker 1: a very traditional journalism school. Our professors drummed into us
Speaker 1: the importance of being objective, unbiased, of stating the facts.
Speaker 1: Almost everyone I've spoken to has some kind of agenda. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe not Peggy, dear sister, but everyone else has been
Speaker 1: smeared with accusations or cloaked in suspicion. I was getting
Speaker 1: pretty frustrated. Was there anyone who could be an objective outsider?
Speaker 1: And then I met Carmen Ibugnez deep conversations.
Speaker 5: I would text her whenever I would hear gunshots or
Speaker 5: screams over there, and I said, Dia uk, and She's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was a coyote. Oh it was a rattlesnake or
Speaker 5: you know, things like that. That's what I would do.
Speaker 1: Carmen runs a Christian youth camp just down the road
Speaker 1: from Beneatha Vista, DIA's ranch. She wouldn't go as far
Speaker 1: as calling herself a friend of DEA's. She'd heard Dea
Speaker 1: had a temper, so she tried to keep her distance.
Speaker 5: And so that's why I always had a healthy sense
Speaker 5: of boundaries with her, because I'm like, you know, I
Speaker 5: care about your dogs, I care about your animals, I
Speaker 5: care about you. But we're you know, I wasn't like
Speaker 5: friends with her like per se.
Speaker 1: Carmen remembers the last time she spoke to Dea. It
Speaker 1: was about two weeks before Dia disappeared. She says Dea
Speaker 1: was extremely upset about something Clinton and Chrissara had done.
Speaker 5: She was crying. You know what happens. We hold them
Speaker 5: in her arms and all of a sudden they turn
Speaker 5: on us. They want everything, Karma, they want everything. And
Speaker 5: I thought, okay, Dia, I know how you are. You
Speaker 5: know you're kind of dramatic as well. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: thinking in my mind, what have you done?
Speaker 1: It wasn't the first time Dea had complained about her kids,
Speaker 1: but Carmen says she tended to exaggerate, so.
Speaker 5: I kind of took everything she said with the assault
Speaker 5: because I knew she was dramatic. I thought, Okay, let's
Speaker 5: let's let's find out what's truth is about.
Speaker 1: Regardless of what Carmen thought of Dea, when she heard
Speaker 1: her neighbor was missing, she gathered her staff and leapt
Speaker 1: into action.
Speaker 5: So you know, I am a Christian and we're a
Speaker 5: Christian camp, and so I care about people, even if
Speaker 5: they're not nice.
Speaker 1: Carmen was the perfect person for this kind of job.
Speaker 5: For our summer camp, we have to practice drills for
Speaker 5: fires and also for missing camp or drill we say
Speaker 5: in case somebody, we can't find somebody, and we time
Speaker 5: ourselves and we do searches in every building. I mean,
Speaker 5: so we kind of know how to do searches for
Speaker 5: people who are missing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Carmen told me her version of what happened the weekend
Speaker 1: Dea went missing, and it felt like a breath of
Speaker 1: fresh air because finally I had an impartial version of events. Finally,
Speaker 1: I felt like I was holding a piece of the truth.
Speaker 5: We honestly got Okay, she probably went hiking and just
Speaker 5: injured herself. That was the main you know, that's what
Speaker 5: we've done. We're gonna go find her. We will find her.
Speaker 1: I'm Lucy Sheriff, and this is Where's Dea Episode five.
Speaker 1: The strangest thing when Carmen and her staff showed up
Speaker 1: to Benita Vista Ranch on that Sunday in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: the day after Dia disappeared, they expected to be greeted
Speaker 1: with open arms, but that's not exactly what happened.
Speaker 5: It was the strangest thing. You know, you would think
Speaker 5: Harper would have said, hey, thank you for coming. It
Speaker 5: was almost like we were like in the way kind
Speaker 5: of thing. It didn't feel like that we were.
Speaker 1: Welcome, regardless of the chilly welcome. Carmen got straight to work.
Speaker 5: We got a megaphone from our camp, We got all
Speaker 5: kinds of tools from our camp just to take with us,
Speaker 5: and I was using it to yell out for Dia basically,
Speaker 5: and a lot of people were out there, and at
Speaker 5: one point I became very frustrated. Because I thought, well,
Speaker 5: what's going on? And then I, you know, I'm feeling
Speaker 5: like we're just there's no direction to this right.
Speaker 1: At some point, Carmen called a friend of hers who
Speaker 1: worked at the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 5: I stood on a rap because there's no signal, and
Speaker 5: I say, hey, why aren't you here? Said Carman, we
Speaker 5: can't be out there till tomorrow. Anyways, you know it's
Speaker 5: forty eight hours.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that forty eight hour thing. Again, it's funny
Speaker 1: that someone who works at the Sheriff's department would say that,
Speaker 1: because Riverside's own standards manual specifically says the officers shouldn't
Speaker 1: wait before acting on a missing person's report. They're supposed
Speaker 1: to begin investigations right away. I did reach out to
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department to ask them about this discrepancy and
Speaker 1: many other things, but I did not get any response.
Speaker 1: Back to Carmen's phone call, she told her friend she
Speaker 1: thought Harper was acting suspicious. He didn't share any details
Speaker 1: that could help with the search, like which places he'd
Speaker 1: already checked.
Speaker 5: They said, I have all kinds of red flags going on, then,
Speaker 5: just all kinds of warms going off in my head.
Speaker 5: I said, there's something not right, I said, and I said,
Speaker 5: I'm usually right about these things.
Speaker 1: There was also something else, calm and.
Speaker 5: Noticed he's writing around on acquad with this woman who
Speaker 5: I don't know who she is, which is Diane Fetter.
Speaker 5: To me, it looked like there was something going on
Speaker 5: between them.
Speaker 1: Clinton has mentioned this to me too, that he and
Speaker 1: his private investigator thought Diana Fedder, DIA's friend may have
Speaker 1: been romantically involved with Harper, to be very clear, though
Speaker 1: Harper and Diana both deny this. Eventually, one of Carmen
Speaker 1: and DEA's neighbors mentioned something incredibly useful. The ranch was
Speaker 1: covered in security cameras.
Speaker 5: And she was like, there's not a place here that
Speaker 5: Dia has not wired with a camera. She was like,
Speaker 5: and I know that because I just thought the other
Speaker 5: day I was feeding the animals, and she was like,
Speaker 5: she would talk to me through the cameras. She said,
Speaker 5: so there's got to be something that shows us what
Speaker 5: happened yesterday.
Speaker 1: And because common is common, she sent him one of
Speaker 1: her IT guys to check them out.
Speaker 5: So he went inside and he couldn't get it to
Speaker 5: come up in the server to turn on. He couldn't
Speaker 5: get it to boot up. Basically, he thought that somebody
Speaker 5: had tempered with it and had damaged it so they
Speaker 5: couldn't wow, you know, he said, something happened here. I
Speaker 5: don't feel comfortable going back in there by myself. I
Speaker 5: feel like I'm at a crime scene and I'm putting
Speaker 5: my fingerprints all over the place.
Speaker 1: Another member of Common's group went to search the meadow.
Speaker 1: She told Common what she saw. Ruby DEA's faithful dog
Speaker 1: had followed her and went straight up to a patch
Speaker 1: of fresh dirt.
Speaker 5: She said, a dog laid down right there on the
Speaker 5: fresh shirt. We turned around and he didn't want to leave.
Speaker 5: It's almost like it was like maybe she was there,
Speaker 5: she said, the dog but did not want to leave.
Speaker 5: We finally kind of coaxed her back and got her
Speaker 5: to go back with us.
Speaker 1: When Carmen and her staff got back from being out
Speaker 1: in the heat, they wanted to make sure to check
Speaker 1: every building on the property before they left. There was
Speaker 1: one last place Carmen wanted to search, Harper's white Ford
Speaker 1: motor home.
Speaker 5: I said, I just need to have everybody because I
Speaker 5: kind of wanted to take over at that point and said, well,
Speaker 5: somebody needs to go and look, and then they came
Speaker 5: back and they said what.
Speaker 1: And so nobody offered a key. Nobody no.
Speaker 5: And that's the thing I was like, that's when I
Speaker 5: started just getting Really that was a Sunday when we
Speaker 5: were all just like, you know, this does not feel good.
Speaker 5: We were just that was just like the final confirmation
Speaker 5: we just need to wait for the cops to get
Speaker 5: here kind of thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The consensus was among my staff it was, look, I
Speaker 5: think we just got called over to put all kinds
Speaker 5: of footprints everywhere and to just damage the crime scene. Basically.
Speaker 5: That's how we felt at that moment. And so we laughed.
Speaker 5: And that was the final thing that just stuck in
Speaker 5: my head. Why couldn't we get into that motor home.
Speaker 1: Calm and return the next day on the Monday with
Speaker 1: homemade missing person's leaflets in hand? But by then Harper
Speaker 1: and his motor home were gone. He was on his
Speaker 1: way to New Mexico.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, why would you lead?
Speaker 5: So this is your girlfriend. You're supposedly distraught about her,
Speaker 5: right I would be. I was distraught even if and
Speaker 5: I wasn't that post idea. You know, I'm thinking, how
Speaker 5: can I be more upset about this than you. You know,
Speaker 5: how is this that?
Speaker 2: This is?
Speaker 5: That is not right? How did he just take off?
Speaker 1: That weekend of searching, Carmen kept tabs on the ranch.
Speaker 1: Diana and Harper held DEA's power of attorney, although nobody
Speaker 1: else seemed to know this yet. When the cops had
Speaker 1: finished their search, they turned over the ranch keys to
Speaker 1: DEA's children, who locked the gate. But one night, soon
Speaker 1: after the search, Carmen noticed a car heading up the
Speaker 1: road towards Benita Vista Ranch.
Speaker 5: So I saw Kara go over there, and I went
Speaker 5: over there is excuse me, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: To calm and surprise it was Diana Fedder.
Speaker 5: That's the one time that I thought, oh my goodness,
Speaker 5: what the heck is this woman doing here. I don't
Speaker 5: think anybody, I said, I don't think anybody's supposed to
Speaker 5: be over here. Said nobody's supposed to be here. She
Speaker 5: was like, I just I just can't get a few
Speaker 5: things from the truck, something for the animals.
Speaker 1: Carmen had called the Sheriff's department as soon as she'd
Speaker 1: seen the car, and when an officer showed up, she
Speaker 1: went back home. Carmen brought up so many things, but
Speaker 1: there was one thing she mentioned that to this day
Speaker 1: still stands out to me. She told me what Harper
Speaker 1: said he'd been doing during the window of time Deer
Speaker 1: went missing.
Speaker 5: So the story of what he was doing on Saturday
Speaker 5: kept changing. When we were there that day on Sunday
Speaker 5: to SERGEI said he had been burying brush in the meadow,
Speaker 5: like burying brush, what the heck? And then later on
Speaker 5: he changed his story too, I was mowing the meadow.
Speaker 1: This, by the way, is Harper's only alibi that he
Speaker 1: was out mowing the meadow. Speaking with Carmen brought me
Speaker 1: back to the immediate aftermath of Deer's disappearance. I felt
Speaker 1: like I was seeing those crucial first days in a
Speaker 1: new light. But my conversation with her also raised a
Speaker 1: lot of questions about Harper and Diana. More on that
Speaker 1: after the break, I found a whole story about Diana
Speaker 1: Fedder taking stuff out of Deer's truck. So bizarre it
Speaker 1: was at night, the ranch had been locked shut, and
Speaker 1: Harper was away. What was she doing there? Incidentally, Diana
Speaker 1: had actually told me the whole truck story before, without
Speaker 1: me even asking about it. The first time I spoke
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 7: Let's see, so the Sheriff's department ended their thing on Wednesday,
Speaker 7: because that's today.
Speaker 6: I went back to get the canned dog food for Ruby.
Speaker 1: Ruby, remember is DEAs doc who had gone with Harper
Speaker 1: on his trip to New Mexico. Also, he didn't take Ruby.
Speaker 7: In the end, he did, but he didn't have the
Speaker 7: proper food. And I was you know, I wasn't aware
Speaker 7: of the proper food that she was supposed to be
Speaker 7: being fed.
Speaker 6: And they said, well, she always kept cans in her truck.
Speaker 7: So I went back to go get the cans to
Speaker 7: figure out what kind of medicated food she was eating.
Speaker 1: This interview happened early on in my reporting, before I
Speaker 1: knew about all the weird twists and turns. But after
Speaker 1: I spoke with Carmen, I felt I had to call
Speaker 1: Diana back.
Speaker 8: I wanted to run through some more of these questions.
Speaker 8: So I've spoken to Carmen and I just wanted to
Speaker 8: run Oh was that the neighbor?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This time Dana gave me a more detailed account about
Speaker 1: the night she went to DIA's truck. She told me
Speaker 1: she went to the ranch with a friend. I mentioned
Speaker 1: finding the dog food again along with something else.
Speaker 10: And I told this to the police. Offer Ellie went
Speaker 10: to the truck and the windows were down. We opened
Speaker 10: the door, the alarm went off, and we grabbed two balls,
Speaker 10: thigh balls, a leash, uh, some tand of food from
Speaker 10: the car. And on the flank feet was a scape
Speaker 10: like the up a lock bop mm hmm. And when
Speaker 10: I when I opened it, there was a gun in there.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 10: I'm like, okay, why is there a lock box on
Speaker 10: the front feet with a gun? And why did the
Speaker 10: police not take it with them? So I leave my
Speaker 10: friend and we go out fine, and I guess that
Speaker 10: was Carmen and her husband. They were walking their dog
Speaker 10: or walking and they should well we heard a lot,
Speaker 10: so yeah, we needed to get dog food, so Ruby
Speaker 10: and we showed them everything, and then I locked up
Speaker 10: the weapon and then told the police about it.
Speaker 1: So to recap Diana found one of these guns India's
Speaker 1: truck Ondia's ranch, which by that point I'm guessing was
Speaker 1: a potential crime scene, and she took it. Diana said
Speaker 1: it was for safety reasons, so why didn't.
Speaker 10: I did not feel un comfortable a loaded weapon sitting
Speaker 10: in the front seat of my friend's vehicle with the
Speaker 10: windows there on property where nobody is staying. You know
Speaker 10: that anybody could come on. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 10: So what.
Speaker 6: Happened to it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: For the weapon?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I told the police about it, and then Hartwork
Speaker 10: said that he wanted the weapon and I said it
Speaker 10: fine in my faith, and he goes, no, I want
Speaker 10: to keep all of thea's property on the property. And
Speaker 10: I'm like, okay, well, what can I say?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 10: I can't tell him. I'm not going to give it
Speaker 10: to him. I mean, because now you know, technically he's
Speaker 10: in charge. So I let the police know that I
Speaker 10: had to give him the weapon.
Speaker 1: By many accounts, dear did own a lot of guns.
Speaker 1: I tried to find out what happened to that one.
Speaker 1: Harper says he doesn't have it anymore, and the police
Speaker 1: didn't respond to my questions about it. In general, Diana
Speaker 1: disputed a lot of what Carmen told me, particularly about
Speaker 1: her and Harper.
Speaker 6: Harper and I have never been in a relationship. I
Speaker 6: met him. I think it's been twice before Dia disappeared. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he's just a Yeah.
Speaker 1: While I had Diana on the phone, I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask her about some of Clinton's allegations. He believes that
Speaker 1: Diana had something to do with Dear's disappearance and that
Speaker 1: she was working with Harper. He's been pretty adamant to
Speaker 1: me that you're involved somehow.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's told the police that, and he's told everybody else.
Speaker 10: Just because you happened to be asked by a friend
Speaker 10: to help them, there is state or what have you
Speaker 10: when you ask, does not automatically make you the bad guy.
Speaker 1: Diana denied having anything to do with Dear's disappearance.
Speaker 10: I mean, I can understand, you know, like if something
Speaker 10: happened to somebody's spouse, the person they could look to
Speaker 10: is the other spouse, you know, and I can understand
Speaker 10: why they would consider it at first. But there's no gain, Yeah,
Speaker 10: none at all, you know, I mean the I mean
Speaker 10: there's no money, there's.
Speaker 1: Nothing, Diana said. There's no value in DEA's trust. Dear
Speaker 1: was so in debt. Diana said that her estate is
Speaker 1: pretty much worthless. This is hard for me to verify
Speaker 1: because the legal guardian of Deer's estate won't tell me
Speaker 1: anything about DEA's financial situation. But according to court records,
Speaker 1: Deer's estate could be worth millions regardless. A couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, Diana withdrew as DEA's trustee anyway, giving up
Speaker 1: any claim on DEA's assets. And there was one last
Speaker 1: thing that Diana told me that directly correlated to something
Speaker 1: Carmen had said. I asked Diana why Carmen wasn't allowed
Speaker 1: to search the RV. Diana was surprised and said the
Speaker 1: r V had been searched.
Speaker 6: It was searched twice. It was searched on.
Speaker 10: Uh Sunday, and it was searched again on Monday before
Speaker 10: he departed in it.
Speaker 6: But there was nothing in it, nothing that way to concern.
Speaker 1: And then she told me this, The only thing.
Speaker 10: That conswer was the r V was parked in the field,
Speaker 10: in the horse field, okay, and Harper had told the
Speaker 10: police that he was mowing the field.
Speaker 6: When she supposedly disappeared. Yeah, and he could look because
Speaker 6: it was up to their knees.
Speaker 1: So first Carmen tells me howp had changed his alibi
Speaker 1: from burying brush in the meadow to mowing it. And
Speaker 1: then Diana tells me that the grass was definitely not moan.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting about the meadow.
Speaker 10: That's pretty good, great, And he apparently was out there
Speaker 10: for hours mowing the meadow. Well, I can tell you
Speaker 10: right now that the amount of time that he said
Speaker 10: he's spent in the meadow mowing, it's in collect m
Speaker 10: He said he was out there for almost six hours.
Speaker 10: There's no way in heck he could have been out
Speaker 10: there for six hours unless you took an OAP.
Speaker 1: I couldn't help wondering where were the police in all
Speaker 1: of this? Have they checked out Harper's alibi? I don't
Speaker 1: know if they did, But what I did learn is
Speaker 1: that Harper wasn't exactly concerned about alibis, because it turns
Speaker 1: out he claims he's known all along exactly what happened
Speaker 1: to Dia, and he'd seen it all unfold on the
Speaker 1: security camera's tapes. We'll be right back. In May twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, around Memorial Day, three people broke into Benita
Speaker 1: Vista Ranch. According to a police report, they stole some
Speaker 1: power tools, an old car, and a tractor. They were
Speaker 1: arrested at the ranch and later pled guilty. The reason
Speaker 1: I'm telling you about this is because it's after this
Speaker 1: burglary happens three years into our interviews that Harper suddenly
Speaker 1: mentions something new, something he has never told me before.
Speaker 2: I'm stuck. I'm stuck with what we do once we
Speaker 2: find her. You know, obviously, you know, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: they've always known it was a murder because the video
Speaker 2: shows that. And why they the video that was here
Speaker 2: at the lange that was taken. Oh, well, I.
Speaker 6: Don't know anything about that video.
Speaker 2: What video is that? Yeah, we had surveillance on the
Speaker 2: area in which she was assaulted.
Speaker 1: Basically, this man, who I've been speaking to for three
Speaker 1: years by this point, is suddenly telling me about a
Speaker 1: security camera which captured Dea being kidnapped. And he's never
Speaker 1: ever mentioned this before. In fact, he told me this
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: I always believe that she was going to a safe song,
Speaker 2: so I always felt that she laughed that. I always
Speaker 2: felt that she would contact me and let me know
Speaker 2: that she was fine. The contact never comes.
Speaker 1: That same year, right before I was thinking of visiting
Speaker 1: the ranch, Harper told me something else. He told me
Speaker 1: the security cameras hadn't captured anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I'll take you upstairs and show
Speaker 3: you the cameras.
Speaker 5: How how they do not see what happens is beyond.
Speaker 2: Me and lie.
Speaker 1: And when he finally does mention the videotapes to me
Speaker 1: all those years later, he describes in detail what he
Speaker 1: watched on this footage. He launches into this wild chronicle
Speaker 1: about dear being kidnapped.
Speaker 2: It takes place between the main house and what we
Speaker 2: call the cabin, which is across the street from the
Speaker 2: main house. They surround her as she's coming. They do
Speaker 2: not cause they do not communicate. They just surround her
Speaker 2: and that's where the big guy halts off and hits
Speaker 2: her to the side of the white cheek.
Speaker 1: He tells me that Deer's attorney called him after Deer
Speaker 1: went missing and told him to watch the security camera footage.
Speaker 1: I tried to double chat this with Deer's attorney, but
Speaker 1: in the middle of all of this he died so
Speaker 1: I couldn't. Harper also tells me the detective Alberta. Lerero
Speaker 1: of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department has seen the footage too.
Speaker 2: He's been asked if who they were and why they
Speaker 2: haven't been identified. He claims that the video is not
Speaker 2: clear enough to do facial recognition on it.
Speaker 8: But have you seen have you actually physically seen this video,
Speaker 8: Yes you have, and when did you watch it?
Speaker 2: When we were doing the actual search for her, her
Speaker 2: attorney called then asked me to watch it, and then
Speaker 2: after I had given it, he said, you know, just
Speaker 2: he said, he said, you know, I should have taken
Speaker 2: a copy. I didn't.
Speaker 1: So, just to recap, I've been speaking to Harper for
Speaker 1: years by this point, and it's only after that Memorial
Speaker 1: Day Burglary happens that he brings up these videotapes. He
Speaker 1: told me that the people who burgled the ranch in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three were the same people he watched on
Speaker 1: video kidnapping Dea in twenty twenty.
Speaker 9: There were three burglars that can they as saying description
Speaker 9: of those who killed her almost identical in height, weight
Speaker 9: and size.
Speaker 1: It was hard to reconcile all of this with what
Speaker 1: Carmen told me. According to her, her it guy couldn't
Speaker 1: access the security footage on Deer's ranch. He said someone
Speaker 1: had tampered with it. Detective Lrero also told me that
Speaker 1: no such tape exists. There was one more strange aspect
Speaker 1: about Harper's new theory. It lined up with information from
Speaker 1: some of Kelly Snyder's psychics, who work with his Missing
Speaker 1: Persons organization. They said that three people, two men and
Speaker 1: a woman, were responsible for Deer's disappearance. We heard this
Speaker 1: from Kelly Snyder back in episode three.
Speaker 9: They were all saying the same thing independently, which was
Speaker 9: that she was murdered. She was murdered by three people,
Speaker 9: two males and a female. She was taken and you know,
Speaker 9: killed and buried and basically that was it.
Speaker 1: So is Harper just taking what Kelly's psychics said happened
Speaker 1: and sort of mishmashing it with the people who burgled
Speaker 1: the ranch. It wouldn't be the first time that he
Speaker 1: treated the psychic's information as hard fact. Ultimately, Harper believes
Speaker 1: that the three people in the footage are part of
Speaker 1: a drug trafficking motorcycle gang and that they're heavily involved
Speaker 1: in DEA's death. Oh and that Clinton hired them. I
Speaker 1: couldn't help, but wonder is Harper simply making all of
Speaker 1: this up. If he's lying, it would call his entire
Speaker 1: narrative into question, and most importantly, his alley that he
Speaker 1: was mowing the meadow when Deer disappeared. I have been
Speaker 1: told by somebody who was at the search that weekend
Speaker 1: deer disappeared, that your alibi changed, that you first said
Speaker 1: you were burying brush in the meadow, and then you
Speaker 1: said you were mowing the meadow, and then two people
Speaker 1: in one.
Speaker 3: I said, I said rushing or mowing.
Speaker 1: And people have said that the meadow wasn't moaned, that
Speaker 1: the grass was long.
Speaker 3: Well, the meadal the medal, which you got to realize,
Speaker 3: is where the horses go out and feast. That is
Speaker 3: approximately five acres. The meadow goes on for probably a
Speaker 3: mile and a half. So did I mow all of
Speaker 3: the medal?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I mow what we use and what is planted in grass,
Speaker 3: not what is brush.
Speaker 1: There's no way I'll ever know if the meadow was
Speaker 1: moan or not. But in any case, Harper is adamant
Speaker 1: that at some point Deer's body will be found.
Speaker 2: Once we find, for I think without question we will.
Speaker 2: Then we need to address the issue with the Sheriff's
Speaker 2: department of why Clinton Abrams was never interviewed or interrogated.
Speaker 2: He becomes the main suspect in all of our investigations.
Speaker 1: Clinton says that the Riverside Sheriff's Department has questioned him
Speaker 1: and he's actually spent the past few years deep in
Speaker 1: an investigation of his own. He's taken all of his
Speaker 1: interviews and tape recordings and documents and finessed his theory
Speaker 1: of what he believes happened to his mother. The deer
Speaker 1: was taken and killed by a gang coming next time.
Speaker 1: On the season finale of Where's Dia.
Speaker 6: It's an emotional Katrina.
Speaker 1: You know it came in.
Speaker 6: It washed everything out? Okay?
Speaker 2: Was that? Was that a location of where the body was?
Speaker 6: There was a location of something I do I don't need
Speaker 6: to hear.
Speaker 2: Well, I need to hear more specific.
Speaker 3: Do we have a location where we believe that she is.
Speaker 2: I think there is a deal amongst multiple people to
Speaker 2: split the spoils of war, so to speak.
Speaker 10: Neighbors will look up early Sunday morning to the sound
Speaker 10: of a Sheriff's helicopter flying over Dia Abrams Ranch near Idlewild.
Speaker 1: Where's Dear is written and hosted by me Lucy Sheriff.
Speaker 1: Our producer is Daphne Chen, editing by Karen Shakerji, Production
Speaker 1: assistance from Joey Fish, ground fact checking by Lauren Vespoli.
Speaker 1: Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design
Speaker 1: and mastering by Echo Shaw's Where's Dea is a co
Speaker 1: production of Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia.
Speaker 6: Where's
Speaker 1: Dea was originally developed with Truly*Adventurous.