1 00:00:15,422 --> 00:00:27,022 Speaker 1: Pushkin last time on weds Dear. 2 00:00:29,862 --> 00:00:32,182 Speaker 2: Dia was well aware of my past. 3 00:00:32,462 --> 00:00:36,342 Speaker 3: We discussed that in full detail not long before we 4 00:00:36,382 --> 00:00:37,182 Speaker 3: started dating. 5 00:00:38,942 --> 00:00:42,462 Speaker 4: You can pretty much just take out a sharpiet and 6 00:00:42,542 --> 00:00:47,102 Speaker 4: just cross out every yearn thing he says Lake literally, 7 00:00:47,182 --> 00:00:49,302 Speaker 4: he just he's allergic to the truth. 8 00:00:50,782 --> 00:00:56,342 Speaker 2: He is not a man that takes no. He does 9 00:00:56,382 --> 00:01:03,062 Speaker 2: not accept no. Have any one of the parties, Damn 10 00:01:03,742 --> 00:01:08,502 Speaker 2: or me, the kids or me was found guilty of 11 00:01:08,622 --> 00:01:12,222 Speaker 2: her get appearance or had anything to do, whether disappearance 12 00:01:12,302 --> 00:01:14,742 Speaker 2: or dead, we would get nothing. 13 00:01:26,942 --> 00:01:30,382 Speaker 1: One thing that's been bothering me throughout my reporting is 14 00:01:30,382 --> 00:01:34,782 Speaker 1: my struggle to find an objective voice. I trained at 15 00:01:34,782 --> 00:01:38,902 Speaker 1: a very traditional journalism school. Our professors drummed into us 16 00:01:38,942 --> 00:01:44,462 Speaker 1: the importance of being objective, unbiased, of stating the facts. 17 00:01:45,302 --> 00:01:49,902 Speaker 1: Almost everyone I've spoken to has some kind of agenda. Okay, 18 00:01:50,382 --> 00:01:54,662 Speaker 1: maybe not Peggy, dear sister, but everyone else has been 19 00:01:54,782 --> 00:01:59,782 Speaker 1: smeared with accusations or cloaked in suspicion. I was getting 20 00:01:59,782 --> 00:02:04,422 Speaker 1: pretty frustrated. Was there anyone who could be an objective outsider? 21 00:02:05,982 --> 00:02:10,102 Speaker 1: And then I met Carmen Ibugnez deep conversations. 22 00:02:10,102 --> 00:02:12,582 Speaker 5: I would text her whenever I would hear gunshots or 23 00:02:12,622 --> 00:02:16,302 Speaker 5: screams over there, and I said, Dia uk, and She's like, yeah, 24 00:02:16,302 --> 00:02:18,542 Speaker 5: it was a coyote. Oh it was a rattlesnake or 25 00:02:18,582 --> 00:02:20,622 Speaker 5: you know, things like that. That's what I would do. 26 00:02:23,102 --> 00:02:26,542 Speaker 1: Carmen runs a Christian youth camp just down the road 27 00:02:26,542 --> 00:02:30,262 Speaker 1: from Beneatha Vista, DIA's ranch. She wouldn't go as far 28 00:02:30,302 --> 00:02:33,582 Speaker 1: as calling herself a friend of DEA's. She'd heard Dea 29 00:02:33,622 --> 00:02:36,342 Speaker 1: had a temper, so she tried to keep her distance. 30 00:02:36,902 --> 00:02:38,542 Speaker 5: And so that's why I always had a healthy sense 31 00:02:38,542 --> 00:02:40,862 Speaker 5: of boundaries with her, because I'm like, you know, I 32 00:02:40,942 --> 00:02:42,822 Speaker 5: care about your dogs, I care about your animals, I 33 00:02:42,862 --> 00:02:45,102 Speaker 5: care about you. But we're you know, I wasn't like 34 00:02:45,182 --> 00:02:46,742 Speaker 5: friends with her like per se. 35 00:02:48,382 --> 00:02:51,942 Speaker 1: Carmen remembers the last time she spoke to Dea. It 36 00:02:52,022 --> 00:02:55,862 Speaker 1: was about two weeks before Dia disappeared. She says Dea 37 00:02:55,982 --> 00:03:00,462 Speaker 1: was extremely upset about something Clinton and Chrissara had done. 38 00:03:01,102 --> 00:03:04,862 Speaker 5: She was crying. You know what happens. We hold them 39 00:03:04,902 --> 00:03:06,662 Speaker 5: in her arms and all of a sudden they turn 40 00:03:06,742 --> 00:03:09,622 Speaker 5: on us. They want everything, Karma, they want everything. And 41 00:03:09,662 --> 00:03:12,022 Speaker 5: I thought, okay, Dia, I know how you are. You 42 00:03:12,062 --> 00:03:13,942 Speaker 5: know you're kind of dramatic as well. You know, I'm 43 00:03:13,982 --> 00:03:15,542 Speaker 5: thinking in my mind, what have you done? 44 00:03:16,422 --> 00:03:19,902 Speaker 1: It wasn't the first time Dea had complained about her kids, 45 00:03:20,502 --> 00:03:23,982 Speaker 1: but Carmen says she tended to exaggerate, so. 46 00:03:23,902 --> 00:03:26,782 Speaker 5: I kind of took everything she said with the assault 47 00:03:26,902 --> 00:03:30,222 Speaker 5: because I knew she was dramatic. I thought, Okay, let's 48 00:03:30,622 --> 00:03:33,662 Speaker 5: let's let's find out what's truth is about. 49 00:03:34,502 --> 00:03:37,702 Speaker 1: Regardless of what Carmen thought of Dea, when she heard 50 00:03:37,742 --> 00:03:41,342 Speaker 1: her neighbor was missing, she gathered her staff and leapt 51 00:03:41,382 --> 00:03:41,902 Speaker 1: into action. 52 00:03:42,622 --> 00:03:44,422 Speaker 5: So you know, I am a Christian and we're a 53 00:03:44,502 --> 00:03:48,382 Speaker 5: Christian camp, and so I care about people, even if 54 00:03:48,982 --> 00:03:49,782 Speaker 5: they're not nice. 55 00:03:50,742 --> 00:03:53,622 Speaker 1: Carmen was the perfect person for this kind of job. 56 00:03:57,062 --> 00:04:00,142 Speaker 5: For our summer camp, we have to practice drills for 57 00:04:00,822 --> 00:04:04,262 Speaker 5: fires and also for missing camp or drill we say 58 00:04:04,822 --> 00:04:07,822 Speaker 5: in case somebody, we can't find somebody, and we time 59 00:04:07,862 --> 00:04:11,222 Speaker 5: ourselves and we do searches in every building. I mean, 60 00:04:12,062 --> 00:04:14,342 Speaker 5: so we kind of know how to do searches for 61 00:04:14,382 --> 00:04:15,222 Speaker 5: people who are missing. 62 00:04:15,302 --> 00:04:15,502 Speaker 2: Right. 63 00:04:21,902 --> 00:04:25,022 Speaker 1: Carmen told me her version of what happened the weekend 64 00:04:25,062 --> 00:04:27,862 Speaker 1: Dea went missing, and it felt like a breath of 65 00:04:27,902 --> 00:04:35,222 Speaker 1: fresh air because finally I had an impartial version of events. Finally, 66 00:04:35,822 --> 00:04:38,862 Speaker 1: I felt like I was holding a piece of the truth. 67 00:04:41,222 --> 00:04:44,862 Speaker 5: We honestly got Okay, she probably went hiking and just 68 00:04:45,262 --> 00:04:48,102 Speaker 5: injured herself. That was the main you know, that's what 69 00:04:48,142 --> 00:04:51,422 Speaker 5: we've done. We're gonna go find her. We will find her. 70 00:04:53,342 --> 00:04:59,422 Speaker 1: I'm Lucy Sheriff, and this is Where's Dea Episode five. 71 00:05:00,142 --> 00:05:16,862 Speaker 1: The strangest thing when Carmen and her staff showed up 72 00:05:16,902 --> 00:05:20,142 Speaker 1: to Benita Vista Ranch on that Sunday in twenty twenty, 73 00:05:20,742 --> 00:05:24,542 Speaker 1: the day after Dia disappeared, they expected to be greeted 74 00:05:24,662 --> 00:05:28,862 Speaker 1: with open arms, but that's not exactly what happened. 75 00:05:29,742 --> 00:05:32,342 Speaker 5: It was the strangest thing. You know, you would think 76 00:05:32,422 --> 00:05:34,982 Speaker 5: Harper would have said, hey, thank you for coming. It 77 00:05:35,022 --> 00:05:39,222 Speaker 5: was almost like we were like in the way kind 78 00:05:39,262 --> 00:05:41,942 Speaker 5: of thing. It didn't feel like that we were. 79 00:05:41,822 --> 00:05:47,662 Speaker 1: Welcome, regardless of the chilly welcome. Carmen got straight to work. 80 00:05:50,702 --> 00:05:53,462 Speaker 5: We got a megaphone from our camp, We got all 81 00:05:53,542 --> 00:05:55,502 Speaker 5: kinds of tools from our camp just to take with us, 82 00:05:55,902 --> 00:05:59,182 Speaker 5: and I was using it to yell out for Dia basically, 83 00:05:59,902 --> 00:06:03,742 Speaker 5: and a lot of people were out there, and at 84 00:06:03,742 --> 00:06:06,102 Speaker 5: one point I became very frustrated. Because I thought, well, 85 00:06:06,102 --> 00:06:09,142 Speaker 5: what's going on? And then I, you know, I'm feeling 86 00:06:09,382 --> 00:06:12,942 Speaker 5: like we're just there's no direction to this right. 87 00:06:13,782 --> 00:06:16,542 Speaker 1: At some point, Carmen called a friend of hers who 88 00:06:16,582 --> 00:06:18,142 Speaker 1: worked at the Sheriff's department. 89 00:06:18,902 --> 00:06:21,142 Speaker 5: I stood on a rap because there's no signal, and 90 00:06:21,182 --> 00:06:23,942 Speaker 5: I say, hey, why aren't you here? Said Carman, we 91 00:06:24,022 --> 00:06:26,302 Speaker 5: can't be out there till tomorrow. Anyways, you know it's 92 00:06:26,342 --> 00:06:27,142 Speaker 5: forty eight hours. 93 00:06:28,022 --> 00:06:31,742 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that forty eight hour thing. Again, it's funny 94 00:06:31,742 --> 00:06:34,302 Speaker 1: that someone who works at the Sheriff's department would say that, 95 00:06:34,942 --> 00:06:40,382 Speaker 1: because Riverside's own standards manual specifically says the officers shouldn't 96 00:06:40,422 --> 00:06:44,262 Speaker 1: wait before acting on a missing person's report. They're supposed 97 00:06:44,262 --> 00:06:52,062 Speaker 1: to begin investigations right away. I did reach out to 98 00:06:52,062 --> 00:06:55,582 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department to ask them about this discrepancy and 99 00:06:55,622 --> 00:06:59,062 Speaker 1: many other things, but I did not get any response. 100 00:07:01,142 --> 00:07:04,182 Speaker 1: Back to Carmen's phone call, she told her friend she 101 00:07:04,262 --> 00:07:08,462 Speaker 1: thought Harper was acting suspicious. He didn't share any details 102 00:07:08,462 --> 00:07:11,382 Speaker 1: that could help with the search, like which places he'd 103 00:07:11,382 --> 00:07:12,142 Speaker 1: already checked. 104 00:07:12,502 --> 00:07:14,862 Speaker 5: They said, I have all kinds of red flags going on, then, 105 00:07:14,942 --> 00:07:16,782 Speaker 5: just all kinds of warms going off in my head. 106 00:07:16,822 --> 00:07:19,542 Speaker 5: I said, there's something not right, I said, and I said, 107 00:07:19,582 --> 00:07:21,182 Speaker 5: I'm usually right about these things. 108 00:07:21,582 --> 00:07:23,502 Speaker 1: There was also something else, calm and. 109 00:07:23,582 --> 00:07:27,062 Speaker 5: Noticed he's writing around on acquad with this woman who 110 00:07:27,102 --> 00:07:29,302 Speaker 5: I don't know who she is, which is Diane Fetter. 111 00:07:29,822 --> 00:07:31,342 Speaker 5: To me, it looked like there was something going on 112 00:07:31,382 --> 00:07:31,902 Speaker 5: between them. 113 00:07:32,742 --> 00:07:35,902 Speaker 1: Clinton has mentioned this to me too, that he and 114 00:07:35,982 --> 00:07:41,302 Speaker 1: his private investigator thought Diana Fedder, DIA's friend may have 115 00:07:41,382 --> 00:07:46,422 Speaker 1: been romantically involved with Harper, to be very clear, though 116 00:07:46,902 --> 00:07:53,062 Speaker 1: Harper and Diana both deny this. Eventually, one of Carmen 117 00:07:53,102 --> 00:07:58,782 Speaker 1: and DEA's neighbors mentioned something incredibly useful. The ranch was 118 00:07:58,942 --> 00:08:01,702 Speaker 1: covered in security cameras. 119 00:08:01,582 --> 00:08:03,142 Speaker 5: And she was like, there's not a place here that 120 00:08:03,182 --> 00:08:05,742 Speaker 5: Dia has not wired with a camera. She was like, 121 00:08:05,782 --> 00:08:07,662 Speaker 5: and I know that because I just thought the other 122 00:08:07,742 --> 00:08:09,942 Speaker 5: day I was feeding the animals, and she was like, 123 00:08:09,982 --> 00:08:11,942 Speaker 5: she would talk to me through the cameras. She said, 124 00:08:11,982 --> 00:08:14,142 Speaker 5: so there's got to be something that shows us what 125 00:08:14,302 --> 00:08:15,142 Speaker 5: happened yesterday. 126 00:08:16,542 --> 00:08:19,222 Speaker 1: And because common is common, she sent him one of 127 00:08:19,222 --> 00:08:21,302 Speaker 1: her IT guys to check them out. 128 00:08:22,062 --> 00:08:25,622 Speaker 5: So he went inside and he couldn't get it to 129 00:08:25,622 --> 00:08:27,702 Speaker 5: come up in the server to turn on. He couldn't 130 00:08:27,702 --> 00:08:31,862 Speaker 5: get it to boot up. Basically, he thought that somebody 131 00:08:31,862 --> 00:08:35,022 Speaker 5: had tempered with it and had damaged it so they 132 00:08:35,102 --> 00:08:40,062 Speaker 5: couldn't wow, you know, he said, something happened here. I 133 00:08:40,142 --> 00:08:42,622 Speaker 5: don't feel comfortable going back in there by myself. I 134 00:08:42,662 --> 00:08:45,982 Speaker 5: feel like I'm at a crime scene and I'm putting 135 00:08:46,022 --> 00:08:47,422 Speaker 5: my fingerprints all over the place. 136 00:08:48,782 --> 00:08:52,342 Speaker 1: Another member of Common's group went to search the meadow. 137 00:08:53,102 --> 00:08:57,742 Speaker 1: She told Common what she saw. Ruby DEA's faithful dog 138 00:08:57,862 --> 00:09:01,062 Speaker 1: had followed her and went straight up to a patch 139 00:09:01,222 --> 00:09:02,462 Speaker 1: of fresh dirt. 140 00:09:03,102 --> 00:09:05,222 Speaker 5: She said, a dog laid down right there on the 141 00:09:05,302 --> 00:09:08,222 Speaker 5: fresh shirt. We turned around and he didn't want to leave. 142 00:09:09,302 --> 00:09:12,622 Speaker 5: It's almost like it was like maybe she was there, 143 00:09:13,422 --> 00:09:15,222 Speaker 5: she said, the dog but did not want to leave. 144 00:09:15,502 --> 00:09:18,022 Speaker 5: We finally kind of coaxed her back and got her 145 00:09:18,022 --> 00:09:19,422 Speaker 5: to go back with us. 146 00:09:20,662 --> 00:09:23,662 Speaker 1: When Carmen and her staff got back from being out 147 00:09:23,662 --> 00:09:26,422 Speaker 1: in the heat, they wanted to make sure to check 148 00:09:26,622 --> 00:09:30,422 Speaker 1: every building on the property before they left. There was 149 00:09:30,502 --> 00:09:35,542 Speaker 1: one last place Carmen wanted to search, Harper's white Ford 150 00:09:35,862 --> 00:09:36,462 Speaker 1: motor home. 151 00:09:37,222 --> 00:09:39,422 Speaker 5: I said, I just need to have everybody because I 152 00:09:39,462 --> 00:09:41,262 Speaker 5: kind of wanted to take over at that point and said, well, 153 00:09:41,302 --> 00:09:44,422 Speaker 5: somebody needs to go and look, and then they came 154 00:09:44,462 --> 00:09:45,422 Speaker 5: back and they said what. 155 00:09:47,742 --> 00:09:51,582 Speaker 1: And so nobody offered a key. Nobody no. 156 00:09:51,982 --> 00:09:54,622 Speaker 5: And that's the thing I was like, that's when I 157 00:09:54,622 --> 00:09:57,262 Speaker 5: started just getting Really that was a Sunday when we 158 00:09:57,262 --> 00:10:00,502 Speaker 5: were all just like, you know, this does not feel good. 159 00:10:01,222 --> 00:10:03,542 Speaker 5: We were just that was just like the final confirmation 160 00:10:03,982 --> 00:10:05,582 Speaker 5: we just need to wait for the cops to get 161 00:10:05,622 --> 00:10:06,302 Speaker 5: here kind of thing. 162 00:10:06,742 --> 00:10:06,942 Speaker 2: You know. 163 00:10:07,062 --> 00:10:10,982 Speaker 5: The consensus was among my staff it was, look, I 164 00:10:11,022 --> 00:10:13,782 Speaker 5: think we just got called over to put all kinds 165 00:10:13,782 --> 00:10:19,262 Speaker 5: of footprints everywhere and to just damage the crime scene. Basically. 166 00:10:19,822 --> 00:10:23,182 Speaker 5: That's how we felt at that moment. And so we laughed. 167 00:10:23,862 --> 00:10:27,262 Speaker 5: And that was the final thing that just stuck in 168 00:10:27,262 --> 00:10:29,382 Speaker 5: my head. Why couldn't we get into that motor home. 169 00:10:30,542 --> 00:10:33,582 Speaker 1: Calm and return the next day on the Monday with 170 00:10:33,702 --> 00:10:38,622 Speaker 1: homemade missing person's leaflets in hand? But by then Harper 171 00:10:38,822 --> 00:10:42,142 Speaker 1: and his motor home were gone. He was on his 172 00:10:42,222 --> 00:10:46,542 Speaker 1: way to New Mexico. 173 00:10:48,222 --> 00:10:49,942 Speaker 6: And I'm like, why would you lead? 174 00:10:50,222 --> 00:10:54,542 Speaker 5: So this is your girlfriend. You're supposedly distraught about her, 175 00:10:54,662 --> 00:10:57,702 Speaker 5: right I would be. I was distraught even if and 176 00:10:57,742 --> 00:11:00,022 Speaker 5: I wasn't that post idea. You know, I'm thinking, how 177 00:11:00,022 --> 00:11:02,182 Speaker 5: can I be more upset about this than you. You know, 178 00:11:02,822 --> 00:11:03,702 Speaker 5: how is this that? 179 00:11:03,822 --> 00:11:04,142 Speaker 2: This is? 180 00:11:04,422 --> 00:11:09,022 Speaker 5: That is not right? How did he just take off? 181 00:11:09,262 --> 00:11:12,382 Speaker 1: That weekend of searching, Carmen kept tabs on the ranch. 182 00:11:13,102 --> 00:11:16,862 Speaker 1: Diana and Harper held DEA's power of attorney, although nobody 183 00:11:16,862 --> 00:11:20,102 Speaker 1: else seemed to know this yet. When the cops had 184 00:11:20,142 --> 00:11:23,542 Speaker 1: finished their search, they turned over the ranch keys to 185 00:11:23,662 --> 00:11:28,702 Speaker 1: DEA's children, who locked the gate. But one night, soon 186 00:11:28,742 --> 00:11:32,622 Speaker 1: after the search, Carmen noticed a car heading up the 187 00:11:32,702 --> 00:11:34,822 Speaker 1: road towards Benita Vista Ranch. 188 00:11:42,062 --> 00:11:44,342 Speaker 5: So I saw Kara go over there, and I went 189 00:11:44,382 --> 00:11:45,982 Speaker 5: over there is excuse me, what are you doing? 190 00:11:46,662 --> 00:11:49,742 Speaker 1: To calm and surprise it was Diana Fedder. 191 00:11:50,582 --> 00:11:52,662 Speaker 5: That's the one time that I thought, oh my goodness, 192 00:11:52,702 --> 00:11:54,462 Speaker 5: what the heck is this woman doing here. I don't 193 00:11:54,462 --> 00:11:56,462 Speaker 5: think anybody, I said, I don't think anybody's supposed to 194 00:11:56,502 --> 00:11:58,622 Speaker 5: be over here. Said nobody's supposed to be here. She 195 00:11:58,742 --> 00:12:00,822 Speaker 5: was like, I just I just can't get a few 196 00:12:00,862 --> 00:12:04,342 Speaker 5: things from the truck, something for the animals. 197 00:12:05,262 --> 00:12:08,262 Speaker 1: Carmen had called the Sheriff's department as soon as she'd 198 00:12:08,302 --> 00:12:11,582 Speaker 1: seen the car, and when an officer showed up, she 199 00:12:11,702 --> 00:12:19,142 Speaker 1: went back home. Carmen brought up so many things, but 200 00:12:19,182 --> 00:12:22,142 Speaker 1: there was one thing she mentioned that to this day 201 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:26,782 Speaker 1: still stands out to me. She told me what Harper 202 00:12:26,862 --> 00:12:30,142 Speaker 1: said he'd been doing during the window of time Deer 203 00:12:30,222 --> 00:12:30,862 Speaker 1: went missing. 204 00:12:32,302 --> 00:12:35,022 Speaker 5: So the story of what he was doing on Saturday 205 00:12:35,342 --> 00:12:38,582 Speaker 5: kept changing. When we were there that day on Sunday 206 00:12:38,622 --> 00:12:41,382 Speaker 5: to SERGEI said he had been burying brush in the meadow, 207 00:12:42,902 --> 00:12:45,542 Speaker 5: like burying brush, what the heck? And then later on 208 00:12:45,622 --> 00:12:48,302 Speaker 5: he changed his story too, I was mowing the meadow. 209 00:12:50,022 --> 00:12:54,542 Speaker 1: This, by the way, is Harper's only alibi that he 210 00:12:54,702 --> 00:13:01,382 Speaker 1: was out mowing the meadow. Speaking with Carmen brought me 211 00:13:01,502 --> 00:13:06,142 Speaker 1: back to the immediate aftermath of Deer's disappearance. I felt 212 00:13:06,182 --> 00:13:08,502 Speaker 1: like I was seeing those crucial first days in a 213 00:13:08,582 --> 00:13:12,542 Speaker 1: new light. But my conversation with her also raised a 214 00:13:12,542 --> 00:13:19,662 Speaker 1: lot of questions about Harper and Diana. More on that 215 00:13:20,102 --> 00:13:52,262 Speaker 1: after the break, I found a whole story about Diana 216 00:13:52,302 --> 00:13:57,182 Speaker 1: Fedder taking stuff out of Deer's truck. So bizarre it 217 00:13:57,262 --> 00:14:00,542 Speaker 1: was at night, the ranch had been locked shut, and 218 00:14:00,662 --> 00:14:06,782 Speaker 1: Harper was away. What was she doing there? Incidentally, Diana 219 00:14:06,822 --> 00:14:09,822 Speaker 1: had actually told me the whole truck story before, without 220 00:14:09,822 --> 00:14:13,102 Speaker 1: me even asking about it. The first time I spoke 221 00:14:13,142 --> 00:14:14,342 Speaker 1: to her. 222 00:14:16,182 --> 00:14:21,382 Speaker 7: Let's see, so the Sheriff's department ended their thing on Wednesday, 223 00:14:22,302 --> 00:14:23,142 Speaker 7: because that's today. 224 00:14:23,262 --> 00:14:29,462 Speaker 6: I went back to get the canned dog food for Ruby. 225 00:14:30,062 --> 00:14:33,742 Speaker 1: Ruby, remember is DEAs doc who had gone with Harper 226 00:14:33,982 --> 00:14:38,462 Speaker 1: on his trip to New Mexico. Also, he didn't take Ruby. 227 00:14:38,462 --> 00:14:41,422 Speaker 7: In the end, he did, but he didn't have the 228 00:14:41,462 --> 00:14:44,142 Speaker 7: proper food. And I was you know, I wasn't aware 229 00:14:44,182 --> 00:14:46,622 Speaker 7: of the proper food that she was supposed to be 230 00:14:46,622 --> 00:14:47,262 Speaker 7: being fed. 231 00:14:47,822 --> 00:14:50,422 Speaker 6: And they said, well, she always kept cans in her truck. 232 00:14:50,782 --> 00:14:52,302 Speaker 7: So I went back to go get the cans to 233 00:14:52,302 --> 00:14:54,902 Speaker 7: figure out what kind of medicated food she was eating. 234 00:14:57,782 --> 00:15:01,022 Speaker 1: This interview happened early on in my reporting, before I 235 00:15:01,102 --> 00:15:04,662 Speaker 1: knew about all the weird twists and turns. But after 236 00:15:04,702 --> 00:15:07,062 Speaker 1: I spoke with Carmen, I felt I had to call 237 00:15:07,102 --> 00:15:07,782 Speaker 1: Diana back. 238 00:15:08,462 --> 00:15:12,302 Speaker 8: I wanted to run through some more of these questions. 239 00:15:13,502 --> 00:15:18,302 Speaker 8: So I've spoken to Carmen and I just wanted to 240 00:15:18,382 --> 00:15:20,822 Speaker 8: run Oh was that the neighbor? 241 00:15:21,102 --> 00:15:21,342 Speaker 9: Yes? 242 00:15:22,022 --> 00:15:22,262 Speaker 6: Yeah. 243 00:15:22,342 --> 00:15:25,862 Speaker 1: This time Dana gave me a more detailed account about 244 00:15:25,862 --> 00:15:28,662 Speaker 1: the night she went to DIA's truck. She told me 245 00:15:28,742 --> 00:15:31,622 Speaker 1: she went to the ranch with a friend. I mentioned 246 00:15:31,822 --> 00:15:36,102 Speaker 1: finding the dog food again along with something else. 247 00:15:36,382 --> 00:15:39,782 Speaker 10: And I told this to the police. Offer Ellie went 248 00:15:39,822 --> 00:15:47,942 Speaker 10: to the truck and the windows were down. We opened 249 00:15:47,942 --> 00:15:55,382 Speaker 10: the door, the alarm went off, and we grabbed two balls, 250 00:15:55,862 --> 00:16:02,582 Speaker 10: thigh balls, a leash, uh, some tand of food from 251 00:16:02,582 --> 00:16:07,742 Speaker 10: the car. And on the flank feet was a scape 252 00:16:08,582 --> 00:16:12,462 Speaker 10: like the up a lock bop mm hmm. And when 253 00:16:12,502 --> 00:16:15,542 Speaker 10: I when I opened it, there was a gun in there. 254 00:16:16,062 --> 00:16:16,702 Speaker 6: Oh. 255 00:16:17,182 --> 00:16:22,102 Speaker 10: I'm like, okay, why is there a lock box on 256 00:16:22,142 --> 00:16:25,022 Speaker 10: the front feet with a gun? And why did the 257 00:16:25,022 --> 00:16:28,782 Speaker 10: police not take it with them? So I leave my 258 00:16:28,902 --> 00:16:32,062 Speaker 10: friend and we go out fine, and I guess that 259 00:16:32,182 --> 00:16:34,302 Speaker 10: was Carmen and her husband. They were walking their dog 260 00:16:34,462 --> 00:16:36,702 Speaker 10: or walking and they should well we heard a lot, 261 00:16:36,942 --> 00:16:39,742 Speaker 10: so yeah, we needed to get dog food, so Ruby 262 00:16:40,302 --> 00:16:44,422 Speaker 10: and we showed them everything, and then I locked up 263 00:16:44,422 --> 00:16:46,182 Speaker 10: the weapon and then told the police about it. 264 00:16:50,142 --> 00:16:54,382 Speaker 1: So to recap Diana found one of these guns India's 265 00:16:54,382 --> 00:16:58,822 Speaker 1: truck Ondia's ranch, which by that point I'm guessing was 266 00:16:58,862 --> 00:17:03,862 Speaker 1: a potential crime scene, and she took it. Diana said 267 00:17:03,862 --> 00:17:07,062 Speaker 1: it was for safety reasons, so why didn't. 268 00:17:07,462 --> 00:17:11,142 Speaker 10: I did not feel un comfortable a loaded weapon sitting 269 00:17:11,182 --> 00:17:13,942 Speaker 10: in the front seat of my friend's vehicle with the 270 00:17:13,942 --> 00:17:18,862 Speaker 10: windows there on property where nobody is staying. You know 271 00:17:18,982 --> 00:17:21,542 Speaker 10: that anybody could come on. I'm like, no, no, no, no, 272 00:17:21,942 --> 00:17:23,782 Speaker 10: So what. 273 00:17:23,822 --> 00:17:24,502 Speaker 6: Happened to it? 274 00:17:26,502 --> 00:17:26,662 Speaker 2: Oh? 275 00:17:26,702 --> 00:17:27,342 Speaker 6: For the weapon? 276 00:17:27,662 --> 00:17:33,302 Speaker 10: Yeah, I told the police about it, and then Hartwork 277 00:17:33,502 --> 00:17:36,622 Speaker 10: said that he wanted the weapon and I said it 278 00:17:36,782 --> 00:17:39,862 Speaker 10: fine in my faith, and he goes, no, I want 279 00:17:39,862 --> 00:17:44,942 Speaker 10: to keep all of thea's property on the property. And 280 00:17:44,982 --> 00:17:46,382 Speaker 10: I'm like, okay, well, what can I say? 281 00:17:46,462 --> 00:17:46,782 Speaker 2: Now? 282 00:17:46,862 --> 00:17:48,862 Speaker 10: I can't tell him. I'm not going to give it 283 00:17:48,862 --> 00:17:52,462 Speaker 10: to him. I mean, because now you know, technically he's 284 00:17:52,502 --> 00:17:55,422 Speaker 10: in charge. So I let the police know that I 285 00:17:55,462 --> 00:17:56,502 Speaker 10: had to give him the weapon. 286 00:17:57,422 --> 00:18:00,462 Speaker 1: By many accounts, dear did own a lot of guns. 287 00:18:01,302 --> 00:18:03,662 Speaker 1: I tried to find out what happened to that one. 288 00:18:04,262 --> 00:18:07,142 Speaker 1: Harper says he doesn't have it anymore, and the police 289 00:18:07,142 --> 00:18:16,542 Speaker 1: didn't respond to my questions about it. In general, Diana 290 00:18:16,582 --> 00:18:20,302 Speaker 1: disputed a lot of what Carmen told me, particularly about 291 00:18:20,302 --> 00:18:21,222 Speaker 1: her and Harper. 292 00:18:22,102 --> 00:18:26,622 Speaker 6: Harper and I have never been in a relationship. I 293 00:18:26,662 --> 00:18:35,542 Speaker 6: met him. I think it's been twice before Dia disappeared. Yeah, 294 00:18:35,582 --> 00:18:40,702 Speaker 6: he's just a Yeah. 295 00:18:40,782 --> 00:18:43,262 Speaker 1: While I had Diana on the phone, I wanted to 296 00:18:43,302 --> 00:18:47,702 Speaker 1: ask her about some of Clinton's allegations. He believes that 297 00:18:47,822 --> 00:18:51,102 Speaker 1: Diana had something to do with Dear's disappearance and that 298 00:18:51,142 --> 00:18:54,622 Speaker 1: she was working with Harper. He's been pretty adamant to 299 00:18:54,622 --> 00:18:56,382 Speaker 1: me that you're involved somehow. 300 00:18:57,142 --> 00:19:01,102 Speaker 10: Yeah, he's told the police that, and he's told everybody else. 301 00:19:01,262 --> 00:19:04,422 Speaker 10: Just because you happened to be asked by a friend 302 00:19:05,262 --> 00:19:10,822 Speaker 10: to help them, there is state or what have you 303 00:19:10,942 --> 00:19:16,742 Speaker 10: when you ask, does not automatically make you the bad guy. 304 00:19:18,182 --> 00:19:21,662 Speaker 1: Diana denied having anything to do with Dear's disappearance. 305 00:19:23,342 --> 00:19:27,102 Speaker 10: I mean, I can understand, you know, like if something 306 00:19:27,182 --> 00:19:29,582 Speaker 10: happened to somebody's spouse, the person they could look to 307 00:19:29,782 --> 00:19:33,542 Speaker 10: is the other spouse, you know, and I can understand 308 00:19:33,622 --> 00:19:39,222 Speaker 10: why they would consider it at first. But there's no gain, Yeah, 309 00:19:39,342 --> 00:19:43,462 Speaker 10: none at all, you know, I mean the I mean 310 00:19:43,982 --> 00:19:46,742 Speaker 10: there's no money, there's. 311 00:19:46,542 --> 00:19:51,582 Speaker 1: Nothing, Diana said. There's no value in DEA's trust. Dear 312 00:19:51,782 --> 00:19:55,062 Speaker 1: was so in debt. Diana said that her estate is 313 00:19:55,222 --> 00:19:58,582 Speaker 1: pretty much worthless. This is hard for me to verify 314 00:19:59,102 --> 00:20:01,822 Speaker 1: because the legal guardian of Deer's estate won't tell me 315 00:20:01,942 --> 00:20:07,382 Speaker 1: anything about DEA's financial situation. But according to court records, 316 00:20:07,942 --> 00:20:13,062 Speaker 1: Deer's estate could be worth millions regardless. A couple of 317 00:20:13,182 --> 00:20:17,462 Speaker 1: years ago, Diana withdrew as DEA's trustee anyway, giving up 318 00:20:17,502 --> 00:20:23,022 Speaker 1: any claim on DEA's assets. And there was one last 319 00:20:23,062 --> 00:20:27,502 Speaker 1: thing that Diana told me that directly correlated to something 320 00:20:27,582 --> 00:20:32,022 Speaker 1: Carmen had said. I asked Diana why Carmen wasn't allowed 321 00:20:32,022 --> 00:20:35,342 Speaker 1: to search the RV. Diana was surprised and said the 322 00:20:35,422 --> 00:20:36,782 Speaker 1: r V had been searched. 323 00:20:37,222 --> 00:20:39,542 Speaker 6: It was searched twice. It was searched on. 324 00:20:41,062 --> 00:20:45,942 Speaker 10: Uh Sunday, and it was searched again on Monday before 325 00:20:45,982 --> 00:20:46,902 Speaker 10: he departed in it. 326 00:20:47,902 --> 00:20:51,102 Speaker 6: But there was nothing in it, nothing that way to concern. 327 00:20:51,742 --> 00:20:55,182 Speaker 1: And then she told me this, The only thing. 328 00:20:55,102 --> 00:21:00,742 Speaker 10: That conswer was the r V was parked in the field, 329 00:21:01,102 --> 00:21:05,302 Speaker 10: in the horse field, okay, and Harper had told the 330 00:21:05,342 --> 00:21:08,142 Speaker 10: police that he was mowing the field. 331 00:21:10,022 --> 00:21:16,382 Speaker 6: When she supposedly disappeared. Yeah, and he could look because 332 00:21:16,502 --> 00:21:17,662 Speaker 6: it was up to their knees. 333 00:21:21,582 --> 00:21:25,142 Speaker 1: So first Carmen tells me howp had changed his alibi 334 00:21:25,782 --> 00:21:29,862 Speaker 1: from burying brush in the meadow to mowing it. And 335 00:21:29,902 --> 00:21:34,422 Speaker 1: then Diana tells me that the grass was definitely not moan. 336 00:21:35,422 --> 00:21:37,302 Speaker 1: That's really interesting about the meadow. 337 00:21:38,862 --> 00:21:42,462 Speaker 10: That's pretty good, great, And he apparently was out there 338 00:21:42,502 --> 00:21:45,622 Speaker 10: for hours mowing the meadow. Well, I can tell you 339 00:21:45,742 --> 00:21:49,142 Speaker 10: right now that the amount of time that he said 340 00:21:49,222 --> 00:21:54,662 Speaker 10: he's spent in the meadow mowing, it's in collect m 341 00:21:55,862 --> 00:21:59,782 Speaker 10: He said he was out there for almost six hours. 342 00:22:02,062 --> 00:22:05,742 Speaker 10: There's no way in heck he could have been out 343 00:22:05,742 --> 00:22:07,742 Speaker 10: there for six hours unless you took an OAP. 344 00:22:12,902 --> 00:22:16,462 Speaker 1: I couldn't help wondering where were the police in all 345 00:22:16,502 --> 00:22:21,142 Speaker 1: of this? Have they checked out Harper's alibi? I don't 346 00:22:21,182 --> 00:22:24,102 Speaker 1: know if they did, But what I did learn is 347 00:22:24,102 --> 00:22:28,702 Speaker 1: that Harper wasn't exactly concerned about alibis, because it turns 348 00:22:28,742 --> 00:22:33,102 Speaker 1: out he claims he's known all along exactly what happened 349 00:22:33,142 --> 00:22:37,822 Speaker 1: to Dia, and he'd seen it all unfold on the 350 00:22:37,862 --> 00:23:41,862 Speaker 1: security camera's tapes. We'll be right back. In May twenty 351 00:23:41,982 --> 00:23:46,542 Speaker 1: twenty three, around Memorial Day, three people broke into Benita 352 00:23:46,582 --> 00:23:50,902 Speaker 1: Vista Ranch. According to a police report, they stole some 353 00:23:50,942 --> 00:23:55,382 Speaker 1: power tools, an old car, and a tractor. They were 354 00:23:55,502 --> 00:24:00,182 Speaker 1: arrested at the ranch and later pled guilty. The reason 355 00:24:00,222 --> 00:24:03,302 Speaker 1: I'm telling you about this is because it's after this 356 00:24:03,382 --> 00:24:08,542 Speaker 1: burglary happens three years into our interviews that Harper suddenly 357 00:24:08,582 --> 00:24:12,862 Speaker 1: mentions something new, something he has never told me before. 358 00:24:17,542 --> 00:24:22,342 Speaker 2: I'm stuck. I'm stuck with what we do once we 359 00:24:22,422 --> 00:24:27,942 Speaker 2: find her. You know, obviously, you know, in my opinion, 360 00:24:28,022 --> 00:24:30,942 Speaker 2: they've always known it was a murder because the video 361 00:24:31,142 --> 00:24:36,022 Speaker 2: shows that. And why they the video that was here 362 00:24:36,102 --> 00:24:41,782 Speaker 2: at the lange that was taken. Oh, well, I. 363 00:24:41,742 --> 00:24:43,142 Speaker 6: Don't know anything about that video. 364 00:24:43,182 --> 00:24:49,502 Speaker 2: What video is that? Yeah, we had surveillance on the 365 00:24:49,662 --> 00:24:54,022 Speaker 2: area in which she was assaulted. 366 00:24:54,422 --> 00:25:01,742 Speaker 1: Basically, this man, who I've been speaking to for three 367 00:25:01,862 --> 00:25:05,062 Speaker 1: years by this point, is suddenly telling me about a 368 00:25:05,102 --> 00:25:10,142 Speaker 1: security camera which captured Dea being kidnapped. And he's never 369 00:25:10,342 --> 00:25:14,142 Speaker 1: ever mentioned this before. In fact, he told me this 370 00:25:14,502 --> 00:25:15,422 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. 371 00:25:15,862 --> 00:25:19,382 Speaker 2: I always believe that she was going to a safe song, 372 00:25:19,982 --> 00:25:22,622 Speaker 2: so I always felt that she laughed that. I always 373 00:25:22,702 --> 00:25:25,782 Speaker 2: felt that she would contact me and let me know 374 00:25:25,902 --> 00:25:28,622 Speaker 2: that she was fine. The contact never comes. 375 00:25:29,502 --> 00:25:32,982 Speaker 1: That same year, right before I was thinking of visiting 376 00:25:32,982 --> 00:25:37,062 Speaker 1: the ranch, Harper told me something else. He told me 377 00:25:37,662 --> 00:25:40,622 Speaker 1: the security cameras hadn't captured anything. 378 00:25:41,222 --> 00:25:43,902 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I'll take you upstairs and show 379 00:25:43,942 --> 00:25:44,702 Speaker 3: you the cameras. 380 00:25:44,742 --> 00:25:48,782 Speaker 5: How how they do not see what happens is beyond. 381 00:25:48,502 --> 00:25:49,782 Speaker 2: Me and lie. 382 00:25:50,342 --> 00:25:52,862 Speaker 1: And when he finally does mention the videotapes to me 383 00:25:53,062 --> 00:25:57,822 Speaker 1: all those years later, he describes in detail what he 384 00:25:57,902 --> 00:26:02,422 Speaker 1: watched on this footage. He launches into this wild chronicle 385 00:26:02,982 --> 00:26:04,542 Speaker 1: about dear being kidnapped. 386 00:26:09,582 --> 00:26:15,582 Speaker 2: It takes place between the main house and what we 387 00:26:15,742 --> 00:26:19,982 Speaker 2: call the cabin, which is across the street from the 388 00:26:20,022 --> 00:26:24,422 Speaker 2: main house. They surround her as she's coming. They do 389 00:26:24,582 --> 00:26:28,582 Speaker 2: not cause they do not communicate. They just surround her 390 00:26:29,782 --> 00:26:34,222 Speaker 2: and that's where the big guy halts off and hits 391 00:26:34,262 --> 00:26:36,662 Speaker 2: her to the side of the white cheek. 392 00:26:38,542 --> 00:26:41,222 Speaker 1: He tells me that Deer's attorney called him after Deer 393 00:26:41,262 --> 00:26:44,742 Speaker 1: went missing and told him to watch the security camera footage. 394 00:26:45,502 --> 00:26:48,142 Speaker 1: I tried to double chat this with Deer's attorney, but 395 00:26:48,182 --> 00:26:51,102 Speaker 1: in the middle of all of this he died so 396 00:26:51,422 --> 00:26:56,302 Speaker 1: I couldn't. Harper also tells me the detective Alberta. Lerero 397 00:26:56,542 --> 00:27:00,222 Speaker 1: of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department has seen the footage too. 398 00:27:01,062 --> 00:27:04,702 Speaker 2: He's been asked if who they were and why they 399 00:27:04,702 --> 00:27:09,862 Speaker 2: haven't been identified. He claims that the video is not 400 00:27:10,142 --> 00:27:13,902 Speaker 2: clear enough to do facial recognition on it. 401 00:27:14,462 --> 00:27:18,982 Speaker 8: But have you seen have you actually physically seen this video, 402 00:27:19,982 --> 00:27:24,302 Speaker 8: Yes you have, and when did you watch it? 403 00:27:25,302 --> 00:27:29,222 Speaker 2: When we were doing the actual search for her, her 404 00:27:29,262 --> 00:27:33,342 Speaker 2: attorney called then asked me to watch it, and then 405 00:27:33,502 --> 00:27:35,862 Speaker 2: after I had given it, he said, you know, just 406 00:27:36,582 --> 00:27:40,142 Speaker 2: he said, he said, you know, I should have taken 407 00:27:40,182 --> 00:27:42,222 Speaker 2: a copy. I didn't. 408 00:27:43,182 --> 00:27:46,862 Speaker 1: So, just to recap, I've been speaking to Harper for 409 00:27:47,062 --> 00:27:50,462 Speaker 1: years by this point, and it's only after that Memorial 410 00:27:50,542 --> 00:27:54,702 Speaker 1: Day Burglary happens that he brings up these videotapes. He 411 00:27:54,782 --> 00:27:57,582 Speaker 1: told me that the people who burgled the ranch in 412 00:27:57,622 --> 00:28:01,382 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three were the same people he watched on 413 00:28:01,582 --> 00:28:04,142 Speaker 1: video kidnapping Dea in twenty twenty. 414 00:28:06,262 --> 00:28:11,742 Speaker 9: There were three burglars that can they as saying description 415 00:28:12,622 --> 00:28:17,782 Speaker 9: of those who killed her almost identical in height, weight 416 00:28:18,462 --> 00:28:20,062 Speaker 9: and size. 417 00:28:20,742 --> 00:28:24,142 Speaker 1: It was hard to reconcile all of this with what 418 00:28:24,262 --> 00:28:28,782 Speaker 1: Carmen told me. According to her, her it guy couldn't 419 00:28:28,822 --> 00:28:32,542 Speaker 1: access the security footage on Deer's ranch. He said someone 420 00:28:32,582 --> 00:28:37,502 Speaker 1: had tampered with it. Detective Lrero also told me that 421 00:28:37,582 --> 00:28:42,622 Speaker 1: no such tape exists. There was one more strange aspect 422 00:28:42,862 --> 00:28:46,942 Speaker 1: about Harper's new theory. It lined up with information from 423 00:28:46,982 --> 00:28:50,302 Speaker 1: some of Kelly Snyder's psychics, who work with his Missing 424 00:28:50,302 --> 00:28:54,702 Speaker 1: Persons organization. They said that three people, two men and 425 00:28:54,742 --> 00:28:59,862 Speaker 1: a woman, were responsible for Deer's disappearance. We heard this 426 00:28:59,902 --> 00:29:01,942 Speaker 1: from Kelly Snyder back in episode three. 427 00:29:03,102 --> 00:29:07,542 Speaker 9: They were all saying the same thing independently, which was 428 00:29:09,422 --> 00:29:12,582 Speaker 9: that she was murdered. She was murdered by three people, 429 00:29:12,822 --> 00:29:18,702 Speaker 9: two males and a female. She was taken and you know, 430 00:29:19,102 --> 00:29:24,062 Speaker 9: killed and buried and basically that was it. 431 00:29:27,662 --> 00:29:31,182 Speaker 1: So is Harper just taking what Kelly's psychics said happened 432 00:29:31,662 --> 00:29:34,422 Speaker 1: and sort of mishmashing it with the people who burgled 433 00:29:34,422 --> 00:29:37,542 Speaker 1: the ranch. It wouldn't be the first time that he 434 00:29:37,622 --> 00:29:43,942 Speaker 1: treated the psychic's information as hard fact. Ultimately, Harper believes 435 00:29:44,022 --> 00:29:46,782 Speaker 1: that the three people in the footage are part of 436 00:29:46,822 --> 00:29:51,022 Speaker 1: a drug trafficking motorcycle gang and that they're heavily involved 437 00:29:51,102 --> 00:29:57,422 Speaker 1: in DEA's death. Oh and that Clinton hired them. I 438 00:29:57,462 --> 00:30:01,142 Speaker 1: couldn't help, but wonder is Harper simply making all of 439 00:30:01,142 --> 00:30:05,302 Speaker 1: this up. If he's lying, it would call his entire 440 00:30:05,462 --> 00:30:09,942 Speaker 1: narrative into question, and most importantly, his alley that he 441 00:30:10,062 --> 00:30:14,902 Speaker 1: was mowing the meadow when Deer disappeared. I have been 442 00:30:14,942 --> 00:30:18,222 Speaker 1: told by somebody who was at the search that weekend 443 00:30:18,342 --> 00:30:23,262 Speaker 1: deer disappeared, that your alibi changed, that you first said 444 00:30:23,302 --> 00:30:25,342 Speaker 1: you were burying brush in the meadow, and then you 445 00:30:25,342 --> 00:30:28,542 Speaker 1: said you were mowing the meadow, and then two people 446 00:30:28,862 --> 00:30:29,782 Speaker 1: in one. 447 00:30:29,742 --> 00:30:32,422 Speaker 3: I said, I said rushing or mowing. 448 00:30:35,062 --> 00:30:37,222 Speaker 1: And people have said that the meadow wasn't moaned, that 449 00:30:37,262 --> 00:30:38,222 Speaker 1: the grass was long. 450 00:30:39,582 --> 00:30:43,982 Speaker 3: Well, the meadal the medal, which you got to realize, 451 00:30:44,662 --> 00:30:48,702 Speaker 3: is where the horses go out and feast. That is 452 00:30:48,742 --> 00:30:53,502 Speaker 3: approximately five acres. The meadow goes on for probably a 453 00:30:53,542 --> 00:30:57,862 Speaker 3: mile and a half. So did I mow all of 454 00:30:57,902 --> 00:30:58,382 Speaker 3: the medal? 455 00:30:58,902 --> 00:30:58,982 Speaker 1: No? 456 00:30:59,222 --> 00:31:03,422 Speaker 3: I mow what we use and what is planted in grass, 457 00:31:04,342 --> 00:31:09,942 Speaker 3: not what is brush. 458 00:31:09,982 --> 00:31:12,462 Speaker 1: There's no way I'll ever know if the meadow was 459 00:31:12,542 --> 00:31:16,742 Speaker 1: moan or not. But in any case, Harper is adamant 460 00:31:16,862 --> 00:31:19,862 Speaker 1: that at some point Deer's body will be found. 461 00:31:21,502 --> 00:31:26,222 Speaker 2: Once we find, for I think without question we will. 462 00:31:27,542 --> 00:31:31,982 Speaker 2: Then we need to address the issue with the Sheriff's 463 00:31:31,982 --> 00:31:36,782 Speaker 2: department of why Clinton Abrams was never interviewed or interrogated. 464 00:31:37,342 --> 00:31:41,582 Speaker 2: He becomes the main suspect in all of our investigations. 465 00:31:43,622 --> 00:31:47,302 Speaker 1: Clinton says that the Riverside Sheriff's Department has questioned him 466 00:31:48,022 --> 00:31:50,902 Speaker 1: and he's actually spent the past few years deep in 467 00:31:51,022 --> 00:31:54,622 Speaker 1: an investigation of his own. He's taken all of his 468 00:31:54,782 --> 00:32:00,142 Speaker 1: interviews and tape recordings and documents and finessed his theory 469 00:32:00,622 --> 00:32:04,222 Speaker 1: of what he believes happened to his mother. The deer 470 00:32:04,342 --> 00:32:35,902 Speaker 1: was taken and killed by a gang coming next time. 471 00:32:36,462 --> 00:32:40,102 Speaker 1: On the season finale of Where's Dia. 472 00:32:40,862 --> 00:32:42,342 Speaker 6: It's an emotional Katrina. 473 00:32:42,902 --> 00:32:44,302 Speaker 1: You know it came in. 474 00:32:44,422 --> 00:32:46,542 Speaker 6: It washed everything out? Okay? 475 00:32:47,022 --> 00:32:49,822 Speaker 2: Was that? Was that a location of where the body was? 476 00:32:50,822 --> 00:32:53,542 Speaker 6: There was a location of something I do I don't need 477 00:32:53,542 --> 00:32:53,942 Speaker 6: to hear. 478 00:32:54,942 --> 00:32:57,582 Speaker 2: Well, I need to hear more specific. 479 00:32:57,982 --> 00:33:00,822 Speaker 3: Do we have a location where we believe that she is. 480 00:33:01,342 --> 00:33:05,462 Speaker 2: I think there is a deal amongst multiple people to 481 00:33:05,542 --> 00:33:07,782 Speaker 2: split the spoils of war, so to speak. 482 00:33:08,502 --> 00:33:11,422 Speaker 10: Neighbors will look up early Sunday morning to the sound 483 00:33:11,502 --> 00:33:16,662 Speaker 10: of a Sheriff's helicopter flying over Dia Abrams Ranch near Idlewild. 484 00:33:36,142 --> 00:33:39,942 Speaker 1: Where's Dear is written and hosted by me Lucy Sheriff. 485 00:33:40,622 --> 00:33:46,142 Speaker 1: Our producer is Daphne Chen, editing by Karen Shakerji, Production 486 00:33:46,222 --> 00:33:51,182 Speaker 1: assistance from Joey Fish, ground fact checking by Lauren Vespoli. 487 00:33:51,822 --> 00:33:56,622 Speaker 1: Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. 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