1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot com. He's Lance Meddam, I'm 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: John Schmelt. The phone number for you as two A 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: one four five one three or hashtag Giants Chat sending 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: your tweets. Will try to get them to them at 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: some point during the show as well. It's all presented 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: by cores Light. Download the Coors Light Rewards app to 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: an amazing Giants Prizes. We will start off with a 9 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: guest today and bringing Eric d Home from Yahoo's Sports, 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: who is their draft analysts. Just getting started there, Eric, 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: how are you? It's good to talk to you. Yeah, 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: it's an exciting time. We're we're closing in on this 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: draft thing and uh, I'm trying to filter out all 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: the nonsense and get as tiled in as they can. 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: But it's uh, yeah, it's exciting that this is gonna 16 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: be a very interesting draft coming up in nine in 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Yeah, I want to I want 18 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: to lock in on the Giants picks here. But before 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: we start, you're someone that you know has covered the 20 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: NFL for a while. You're locked in with a lot 21 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: of these teams and everything for someone like you, who 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: has contacts around the league, and you're trying to you know, 23 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: sty full through what's real, what's fake, who's telling the truth, 24 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: who's lying. It's called lying season for a reason. How 25 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: do you go about that when you're trying to figure 26 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: out what teams are actually believing in what they're just 27 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: trying to put out there. Yeah, it's a double edged sword, 28 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: I think. And I made a mental note to myself 29 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: a year ago that, hey, pay closer attention to the 30 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: stuff you hear in February March kind of around you know, 31 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: right after the Senior Bowl, during the combine and you know, 32 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: after that process is over. Uh, paid more attention to 33 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: that than what you hear kind of at the end 34 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: of March and in April and leading up to the draft. 35 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: And you know, the connections I made in like my 36 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: second or third mock draft were a lot stronger in 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: some cases and the ones I made in my fourth 38 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: or fifth mock draft. Does that make sense? You know, 39 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: That's part of it. But the problem is a lot 40 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: of teams are just now getting together this week and 41 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: kind of finalizing their board or putting of it together. 42 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: You know, with a couple of injury guy you know 43 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: yet to be determined. So that's the tough part. You 44 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: can actually get really good information at this point, but 45 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: you just have to be careful for where it comes well. 46 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: And from the Giants perspective, Eric, I think last year 47 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: when they picked number two, you know, they only had 48 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: one team ahead of them. This year they've got five. 49 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of dominoes that are going to 50 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: fall that obviously is going to shake up the board 51 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: and so forth. The quarterbacks we know every year, Eric 52 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: certainly influenced that from what you've been hearing from at 53 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: least what your gut tells you. How much movement do 54 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: you think there is going to be ahead of the 55 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: Giants that perhaps could either push a defensive lineman, pass 56 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: rusher to them, or somebody else of great value. Yeah. 57 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: That that's the most fascinating part about where they sit 58 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: at number six is is if it's strictly Kyler Murray 59 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: and one let's just say for argument's sake, Murray goes first, uh, 60 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: and then you have you know, four straight defensive players 61 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: go you know, that might be the most predictable way. 62 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: And what you see in a lot of mock drafts 63 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: and what I've sort of projected and other people have 64 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: as well. But consider the fact that of the last 65 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: eleven first round quarterbacks to be drafted, Ken of got 66 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: there to teams who traded up, so you know, and 67 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: the one who was it was Baker Mayfield last year, 68 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, and the Browns had to feel like they 69 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: were going to take a quarterback no matter what it wants. So, 70 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, the idea being that, you know, this may 71 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: not be a great year for quarterbacks compared to last year, 72 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: or maybe even compared to class like some people think 73 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: it could be, but the demand is still high even 74 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: with you know, only a handful of teams that truly 75 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: have starting jobs open. You're always thinking about next year 76 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: and beyond. So I think there is a chance that 77 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: somebody could slip ahead of the Giants number six, just 78 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: fearing that, hey, look, at some point they gotta find 79 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: Eli's successor they have the two first round picks, they 80 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: have twelve choices. Overall, we've got to be aggressive if 81 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: we want to get a quarterback and perhaps go all 82 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: the way up to number three with the Jets to 83 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: get ahead of Oakland. Eric simply a coin to my 84 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: pre draft rankings last year. I had Darnald is my one. 85 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: I had Mayfield as my two row is in as 86 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: my three f If I'm combining the nineteen and eighteen classes, 87 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: I probably slot Murray in ahead of Rosen and then 88 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: Haskins just behind Rosen. How do you compare the top 89 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: and even you don't go to lock and Greer and 90 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: Jones if you want this year's quarterback class compared to 91 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: last year's and and you know, right, there is a 92 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: great way of looking at it. And yet it's also 93 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 1: so tricky because you know, comparing the skills of Kyler 94 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: Murray and Josh Rosen, I mean it's you know, you 95 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's it's so different. So it 96 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: has to be based on what system you're running, who 97 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 1: your head coaches, that sort of thing. That's the debate 98 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: the Cardinals we're having right now. But I think I'd 99 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: be probably in line with that. I might flip flop 100 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: bro I I liked Rosen coming out last year. I 101 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: really did. I I thought, even with some works, even 102 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: with some stuff to work through, I liked them. Did 103 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: last year change my opinion? Sure a little bit? But 104 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: he also worked behind a bad line. Yeah, I mean 105 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: there was a lot going on there, they fired their 106 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: coordinate or their head coach, etcetera. So that said, I 107 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: think I'm pretty close to what you have. I mean, 108 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: I do think that Dwayne haskins media stock is higher 109 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: than his league stock, do I There are absolutely teams 110 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: who like him in the NFL, But it wouldn't completely 111 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: stun me if he's the third or possibly even the 112 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: fourth quarterback taken. I don't think it's gonna be the 113 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: fourth one, but third would not shock me. And I 114 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: think Drew Locks he's got enough suitors and enough people 115 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: who worry about how far he potentially could fall that 116 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: he could be the guy who goes ahead of Dwayne Haskins. Now, 117 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: it's interesting you say that Lock maybe on the rise. 118 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: My question is when you say teams are fearing that 119 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: he's gonna drop, is that just more on potential or 120 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: more on value in your opinion? Because those could be 121 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: two completely different things. When you evaluate a quarterback in 122 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: terms of Haskins, you mean well no, in terms of 123 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: Drew Lock. When you say some teams may fear that 124 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: if they wait too long, you alluded to that he's 125 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: gonna drop. So my question is is that because they 126 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: just value them immensely. Are they just think it's good 127 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: potential there that they get him into their system and 128 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, two or three years down the road he 129 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: can blossom into a legitimate starter. Yeah, I mean that 130 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: is what's so interesting about Drew two. And you know, 131 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: full full disclosure, I'm the University of Missouri graduate, so 132 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: I've probably seen you know, as much of any you know, 133 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: I promise I'm not biased on him at all. But 134 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: for a guy was fifty college performances, I mean, he 135 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: was out there fifty games, which is, you know, more 136 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: than more than Murray and uh and the Haskins combined. 137 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: In fact, it's almost double what those two guys have 138 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: done in terms of start. So he's still viewed as 139 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: somebody who needs some refinement, you know. I mean, they're 140 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: the deep balls are beautiful, the arms strength as eleat. 141 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: He's an underrated athlete. He's got the frame that you 142 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: know fits the prototype of that classic quarterback. But having 143 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: just switched from kind of that, you know, that spread 144 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: option system that they ran in sixteen and seventeen two 145 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: more of a pro style system in two thousand eighteen. 146 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: You know, the numbers went down, but you saw a 147 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: guy who improved, and I think the feeling around the league, 148 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: or at least among a couple of teams that I've 149 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: talked to, is that give him some time to learn 150 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 1: that kind of an offense, you know, a vertical press 151 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: the field, kind of passing game, you know, work on 152 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: some of the little things like throwing the ball away, 153 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: hitting the checkdowns, taking one of defense gives you drilling 154 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: that into him, and he really could be a pro 155 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: ball level town. But russiam in there too soon, you know, 156 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: get him spooked by the rush, confused by you know, 157 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. All the looks he's gonna get. 158 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: Maybe he never reaches that point. So that's that's the 159 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: interesting part. For a guy with so much experience, I 160 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: think he still needs some time to kind of incubate. 161 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: But we could say the same about Murray or Haskins, 162 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: just given the fact that really only where one year starters. 163 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: Eric at Home covers the NFL draft for Yahoo Sports. 164 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Eric we saw Leonard Williams unexpectedly drop a couple of 165 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: years ago. We've seen other guys dropped that no one 166 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: believes is going to drop in these drafts, like Jonathan 167 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: Allen is going to be a top seven or eight. 168 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: Packy drops in the middle of the first round to 169 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: the Redskins a couple of years ago. What chance is 170 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: there that one of Bossa Allen Williams drops to the 171 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: Giants at six? Or are they so ensconced at the 172 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: top of nearly every every NFL draft board it's just 173 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Yeah, I think maybe that the flashpoint 174 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: in those first five picks could either be the Jets 175 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: at three or the Raiders at four. You know, everybody assumes, okay, 176 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: Jets could take Alan, that's you know, he's a local kid. 177 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: That's the edge rusher they haven't had for fifteen years. Uh, 178 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: you know, Oakland could just say thank you for Quite 179 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: and Williams. Sure, we don't necessarily need a d tackle, 180 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: but you don't find guys like this. That's kind of 181 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: the working assumption. I think a lot of people are 182 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: going under. But both teams have kind of a wild 183 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: card factor to them in the sense that, you know, 184 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: the Jets would love to move down and get more 185 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: picks for everything they paid for Sam Dara last year. 186 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: The Raiders have three first rounders. They could play a 187 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: little poker and go, you know, off the grid. A 188 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: little if, if you know, maybe they could blow the 189 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals away and go quarterbacks. So that kind of throws 190 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: a wrinkle in there, you know, I don't know. I 191 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: guess I'd have to say that barring a trade for 192 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: up into that spot for a QB, it's gonna be 193 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: pretty low. I think those three guys would, like you know, 194 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: would naturally be the next three off the list. So 195 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: the chances aren't great. But what if somebody loves Devin White, 196 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: what if somebody loves Rashan Gary loves one of these? Yeah? 197 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: At Oliver, I mean he's he's another wild card prospect too. 198 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: You know, some teams are gonna look at him and say, 199 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: what can't we do with him? Right? You know? He 200 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: could do with not a lot of different things. So 201 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: that's that's the X fact. I'm not willing to close 202 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: it down and say there's no chance, of course, but 203 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: it's gonna take something like that for it to happen. 204 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: I think, Well, you mentioned the Jets needing pass rushers, Eric, 205 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say the Giants are in 206 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: the same boat. Given the fact that they've parted ways 207 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: with JPP and Vernon over each of the last two 208 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: offs easy and so you know, you just ran through 209 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: a number of the marquee names that John name, assuming 210 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: they're off the board, and let's say the Giants are 211 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: set on hey, we think it's good value to go 212 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: after a pass rusher at six, who then matches number 213 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: six and value and it's synonymous with one another if 214 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: they wanted to go Montes Sweat or somebody else that 215 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: you had in mind, who jumps to the forefront in 216 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: that department. Yeah, I mean Montes Sweat Rashawn Gary are 217 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: such different players, but I could see both being appealing 218 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: to the Giants. I could see both being options for 219 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: them for sure. And I suspect there's a higher chance 220 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: of a pass rusher or a defensive, you know, impact guy, 221 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: a front seven guy going in that spot than a quarterback. 222 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: I think they'll use that number seven team pick, whether 223 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: they stay there, move up, whatever. I think that's possibly 224 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: the quarterback spot. So at six, Yeah, those are those 225 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: probably the first two names that come to mind. Again, 226 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: they're different players. I mean, Rashawn Gary was kind of 227 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: a power bull rusher, you know, smack the tight end 228 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: kind of guy and and set a hard edge and 229 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: you know his his stats didn't really add up. I 230 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: actually just wrote him up today for for Yachting Sports. 231 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: But the physical traits are just I opening, you know, 232 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: and you you don't see guys his size with that 233 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: kind of foot quickness and speed and all that stuff 234 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: and upper body strength. You know, Montest Sweat though. Look, 235 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: I mean he's got some some production in the sec 236 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: eye popping athletic numbers as well, vines for arms, you know, 237 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: a more polished college player. And yeah, he's got upside too. 238 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: So maybe Sweat has just a little bit more appeal, 239 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: uh in terms of readiness right away and maybe a 240 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: perfect fit in that system. And Eric watching him this year, 241 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for Brian Burns. I think if you're 242 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: just looking for a guy to get to the quarterback 243 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: and you're not worrying about the other stuff, I think 244 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: he has more moves and counters in Montes Sweat. He 245 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: certainly is more production than a Rashan Gary. The only 246 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: thing I worry about, And you know, Dave Gutaman, well 247 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: you've covered this lead for a while. I'm just not 248 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: sure he's the type of general manager that's gonna want 249 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: a two pound guy, which is basically what his playing 250 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: weight was last year, right setting the edge for his team, 251 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: and that's what kind of makes me wonder how good 252 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: of a fit that might be at six. I agree, 253 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: I love him as a player for all the reasons 254 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: you just said. I mean, bending the edge better than 255 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: almost anybody in this class, and just you know, the 256 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: rare athleticism and balance, and you know, his motor is 257 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: always hot. There's there were two guys in college football 258 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: who had ten sacks or more in five four fumbles 259 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: or more. He's one of them. So you know, it 260 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: tells you a lot right there. However, based on what 261 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: Gentleman has done in the past, typically opting for more, 262 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, the bigger, freakier, stronger kind of athletes, you know, 263 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: to kind of hold the point and all that stuff, 264 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: as well as as it's stack production. I agree. I 265 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: think he's gonna go a little bit lower, somewhere in 266 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: that Green Bay to maybe Washington Redskins range twelve to seventeen. 267 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: I personally have him as one of my I think 268 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: toppleven or twelve prospects. So it's just it's gonna be 269 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: a system fit kind of thing with him, and I 270 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: don't necessarily see him with the Giants well and Eric. 271 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: When you look at Dave Gettleman's tendencies when he was 272 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: the general manager of Carolina, he pursued defensive lineman very 273 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: early in the draft. Offensive lineman he tended to wait on. 274 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: With that being said, if you look at the Giants 275 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: offensive line right now, you can make the argument they 276 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: could bring in competition at right tackle. I don't think 277 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: that's a stretch. Juwan Taylor is a name that certainly 278 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: comes to mind. If they're thinking offensive line at six, 279 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: how much are they maximizing value if they were to 280 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: take a guy like Joan Taylor. Yeah, and I'm mark 281 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: Taylor number seven to Jacksonville a couple of times in 282 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: a row now, So I mean, you know, could I 283 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: be wrong force? Yeah? Absolutely, he might drip drop a 284 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: little bit, but I don't think he would get past ten, 285 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: twelve thirteen, you know, I mean, Cincinnati, Miami, etcetera. Those 286 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: are all teams that you know, even the Packers, I 287 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: think you know at twelve, those are all teams that 288 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: would scoop him up in a second. And I do 289 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: believe he's worked in that top twelve thirteen range. So 290 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, value wise, would it be a horrendous reach 291 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: if they took him at six, Absolutely not, you know so, 292 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: I think it's there's a possibility of that, but given 293 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: our you know what we kind of ran through before, 294 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance defense the pick if 295 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: it's not, though, I see no problem in going John 296 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Taylor there. I mean, Burns is the one guy who 297 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: seemed to kind of give him a little bit of trouble, 298 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: and you know that that kind of tells you something. 299 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he's held up well against SEC competition. Joined 300 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: by Eric at Home, NFL draft analyst Yahoo Sports. The 301 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: only other guy I think they will consider at six, Eric, 302 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: and I don't know what the draft would looks like, 303 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: but just from in my opinion is Devin White. You 304 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: mentioned him earlier. Uh, everyone seems to think he's going 305 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay. It's either the worst kept kept secret 306 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: in the league or it's the best smoke screen ever, 307 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: And it could be either one, we don't know which. 308 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: How do you think he impacts the game the most? 309 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: He's a bigger kid. You don't get bigger middle linebackers, 310 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: and you get more guys coming out that look like 311 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: Devin Bush than you have looking like Devon White these days? 312 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: Right where do you think he comes in and is 313 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: really good right away? And do you think he has 314 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: impact as an off ball linebacker which generally doesn't have 315 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: the value as guys that you know that rushed to pass. 316 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Are Is that six for the Giants if they decide 317 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: to go in Whites direction? Yeah, I mean he he's 318 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: certainly would be a name that you'd have to throw 319 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: into the mix. And he's watching him is a lot 320 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: of fun. I mean he is a high energy, high 321 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: impact player, a former running back, had lost a lot 322 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: of weight. He came in I think around two hundred 323 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: fifty or sixty pounds, slim down, really muscled up, turned 324 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: into this, you know, this heat seeking missile at linebacker. 325 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: Does he play a little lot of control at times? Yes? 326 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: But you know, look, James Betcher has always had aggressive 327 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: football players on his football team, right. I mean he's 328 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: he's built from the inside out in a lot of 329 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: cases or he's helped you know, kind of harness that 330 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: on his defense in the past, whether it's Arizona or 331 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: what have you. Would he be a fit, Yes, he 332 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: would absolutely. I think he'll in time he'll be a 333 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: tackle machine. I think he'll be a three down linebacker. 334 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: You know, is the outstanding and crisp and perfect in 335 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: his in his coverage right now? No, but I've never 336 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, just talking to people at L s U 337 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: and talking to people around the league, there's no doubt 338 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: that he has the potential to be very good in 339 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: all facets. He could be a blitz guy. You know, 340 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: he could shock tight ends off the line if you 341 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: wanted to play more of a sam role. You know, 342 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: I think he could do a lot. And he can 343 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: buy quarterbacks too, which you know, if you face those 344 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: athletic guys who can move around a little bit, it's 345 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: a nice thing to have when you're playing, you know, 346 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: eleven on eleven football with an athletic scrambler. So Carson Wentz, 347 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and Kyler Murray. Bush might be a little 348 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: a little cleaner, I have to you know, Bush might 349 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: just be a little bit more of a refined football player. 350 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: But we're splitting hairs. Both those guys are great. Well, 351 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: I don't give the Giants take a linebacker in the 352 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: first round. We'll have to stop throwing out one of 353 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: my favorite statistics because the Giants haven't taken a linebacker 354 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: in the first round since with our colleague called Banks, 355 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: So it would be quite refreshing if the Giants do 356 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: go in that direction. I want to jump to pick 357 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: seventeen for the Giants, they do have two first rounders 358 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: in earlier you had mentioned if it's going to be six, 359 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: it's likely going to be a defensive player. Seventeen, maybe 360 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: you get into the conversation of quarterback and I know 361 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: John pose the comparison of last year's class with some 362 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks. If the Giants get to seventeen and 363 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: that is where they want to target a quarterback once again, 364 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: from a value standpoint, I know you've been following Drew Lock, 365 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: but that Daniel Joneses of the world, the Will Greers 366 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: of the world. How much does value equate to seventeen 367 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: there with respect to those two guys, Yeah, I would. 368 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: I would feel like it wouldn't be the best value 369 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: if they got there Daniel Jones there. However, you can't 370 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: ignore the connections that are made there. I mean, you 371 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 1: hear enough talk around the league that they like him, 372 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: if they think he's a perfect fit, and if that's 373 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: the case, he's going to have higher value to the 374 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: Giants than he would maybe some other teams who haven't 375 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: been enamored with this play. First of all, he's a 376 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: smart kid, he's big, he's sneaky athletic. I know we 377 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: always say that about the white quarterbacks who can run 378 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: every now and then, but really go watch the North 379 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: Carolina game. You see him as featured as a runner. 380 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: The toughness is there. Broke his collarbone against Northwestern, came 381 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: back three weeks later, had one of his best games, 382 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: or at least one of his best has against Virginia Tech. 383 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: So I mean, I get why there's some real fascination 384 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: with him as a prospect. The armed talent is so so, 385 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: didn't have a great Senior Bowl week prior to the game, 386 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: played well in the game, But I still say that 387 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: feels like a reach, even with the value, even with 388 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: the you know that the draft value of quarterbacks and 389 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: how quickly they get snapped up. I would rather take 390 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: you know, Greer or somebody like that later on, Ryan Finley, 391 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: whoever else in round two or three or four, or 392 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: somebody in that range that I would Jones of seventeen. However, 393 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: if you feel good about a guy and feel like 394 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: you can nail his projection and believe that studying under 395 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: Eli that whold David cut Cliff's connection, I I can 396 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: connect those dots and feel better about it than I 397 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: would to another team picking him in that range. You know, Eric, 398 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: I think if you're the Giants, you're sitting there at 399 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: said in teen, there are a few things that I 400 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: that I think about in terms of who's going to 401 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: be left. To me, your next best pass rush from 402 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: the board is probably gonna be Cleveland Ferrell. I'm gonna 403 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: guess both Sweat and Burns are off the board at 404 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: that point at the offensive tackle spot, I think one 405 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: of Dillard, Williams and Ford will be left. I don't 406 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: know which one, but I think one will probably be left. 407 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: And then you're looking maybe Devin Bush is still on 408 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: the board, maybe Greedy Williams is still on the board. 409 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: Who do you think might slip to that seventeen spot, 410 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: which I think is the chance to be a real 411 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: good value spot, might be one of the last spots 412 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: where you're gonna get a guy with an actual first 413 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: round grade on this board in this year's draft. What 414 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: are you looking at at seventeen and some of the 415 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: guys you might be looking at that could bring real 416 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: good value to the Giants at that spot. Yeah, and 417 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: who's to say, right, let's say that, you know, they 418 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: just say they can't pull the trigger on a quarterback there, 419 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: and and they're talking about you know, the scenario that 420 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: that you're just laying out right there, which is, hey, 421 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: these are all neat positioned for us. There's multiple options 422 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: at both you know, we could go defense, we'd go offensive, tackle, 423 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: we you know, even receiver. I wouldn't rule it out. 424 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: I mean, not saying that's the route they would go, 425 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: but you never know. So who's to say that they 426 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: couldn't even drop down a few spots from there, pick 427 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: up a little more AMMO and then start the trade 428 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: from that early second round picked back in around one. 429 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a you know what I mean, wouldn't 430 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: that be a power play by Gettleman or a really 431 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: interesting maneuvering. So yeah, I mean, if that's the landscape 432 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: and they have all these options there to meet Greedy Williams, 433 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna last a little longer. Um, But 434 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: you know, that long corner type is very attractive in 435 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: the NFL, etcetera. You know, he might just be scratching 436 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: the surface. But Eric, you know, looks really good to me. Hey, 437 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: I just I really like his game. Yeah, really quick. 438 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: On Greedy Williams, I watched him yesterday extensively. That dude 439 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: does not want to tackle anybody. And I just can't 440 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: and and I just can't imagine Dave Gentleman, who likes 441 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: guys that play that way, wouldn't want to draft the 442 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: guy at seventeen that doesn't a tackle any Yeah. I 443 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: think the thing is that I made sure to go 444 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: back and look at the seven team tape. He's more 445 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: of an ankle grabber and a diver and that sort 446 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: of thing. He's not like, I'm gonna rip your face 447 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: off kind of a tackler. And you know, the A 448 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: and M game, the Georgia game, those weren't pretty tapes 449 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: for him. Like it was towards the end of the year, 450 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: there was there's a belief around the LSU program that 451 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: he was kind of preserving himself for the draft, didn't 452 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: want to get hurt, didn't want to unnecessarily affect his 453 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: draft stock factor that in how you may other guys 454 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: have done it and come out looking fine. So you know, 455 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: he skipped the ball game. So you know, if you 456 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: kind of looked at it from that perspective, I get it. 457 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: But he's gonna have to be system specific. I think 458 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: he's I don't think you want him playing off man 459 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: or just you know, in a cover two system or 460 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: something like that. I think you have to have him 461 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: pressing receivers, you know, and and taking full advantage of 462 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: that lengthy as well. I'm glad you brought up wide 463 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: receiver is when we were talking about seventeen because I'm 464 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: with you, I wouldn't overlook that position, even though you 465 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: may say, hey, it's not an overwhelming need, but they 466 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: want to go younger at the position, they want to 467 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: groom somebody on a rookie deal. It does make sense. 468 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 1: I think early second round two for that absolutely. So 469 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: with that being said, Eric, you know, if I throw 470 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: out the DK Metcalfs of the world, the Marquees Browns, 471 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: the AJ Brown's, who is appealing, who are you highest 472 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: on amongst the wide receivers that maybe around seventeen order 473 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: John's point high in the second round. Yeah, I mean 474 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: they really kind of take it. If you look at 475 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: get on its history, he's taking kind of two types 476 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: of receivers, the the Devin Funchis type, the big sort 477 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: of physically gifted guy with the vines for arms and 478 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: maybe some untapped potential, but then also the you know, 479 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: kind of the Curtis Samuel type, the you know a 480 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: little bit of the more of the shifty guy. Paris 481 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: Campbell from Ohio states as the guy that looks a 482 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: lot like him. However, they just started golden tape and 483 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of what he does best in my opinion 484 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: of the double screens making, you know, breaking tackles, that 485 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: sort of thing. I would guess there's a there's a 486 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: better chance they go for the big physical type. They 487 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: have Shepherd, they have takes. So if that's the case, 488 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: you know and kill Harry from Arizona State makes a 489 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: lot of sense. Um, you know, a J. Brown a 490 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: little bit more sought off, but still has that big 491 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: sort of hi v cut, you know, almost a running 492 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: backs like Bill to him is mattcalkinna slip? We don't know, 493 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: but that would be a fun debate. If he kind 494 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: of gets into the late teens or early twenties, what 495 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: do you do then? I just I just suspect, suspect, 496 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: Excuse me? That of the two kind of prototypes that 497 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: he's kind of favored in the past, I would go 498 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: with the more, the longer, bigger, you know, go up 499 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: and get a type of receiver. Last question for from 500 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: me for er get home covers the NFL Draft for 501 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: Yahoo Eric go to that topic in the second round, Um, 502 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: it is the thirty seven overall pick. Where do you 503 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: think you might have somebody slip where? What you know, 504 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: a lot of times you get these positions with it 505 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: with a lot of good players and one just might 506 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: get lost in the shuffle where team doesn't have a 507 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: need and he happens to fall. Where do you think 508 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: you might get some sneaky value with thirty seven? One 509 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: guy I'm keeping an eye on is don't rise in 510 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: right of Kansas State if they don't go offensive tackle 511 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: in with their first two picks, and he's he's you know, 512 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: he fits the mold of the same type of player 513 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: that Will Hernandez was in college. Hernandez was a guard. 514 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: Only Reisner could be a guard to tackle. Some people 515 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: think you can play center. He's got maybe a little 516 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: more versatility, but you know, kind of that strong, older guy, 517 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: physically developed, plays with an ornary edge a leader, and 518 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: he's been great in the community. I mean he's done 519 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: stuff for you know, underprivileged children. He would instantly step 520 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: in and be kind of a young leader on the team, 521 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: and there's a lot to like about it. Maybe his 522 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: upside isn't tremendous, you kind of know what you get almost, 523 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: but that's you know, for a team that has some 524 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: needs and and you've already picked a couple of players 525 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: that might have a little more of a projection to him, 526 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: that's a great fallback option if he's there. You know, 527 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: I've heard some late round, you know, late first round 528 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: talk about him. I don't know if he ultimately slips there, 529 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: but that's a good one. Cornerback is corner is a 530 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: really interesting spot. We mentioned Greedy. Would it's stunned me 531 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: if he slipped into the early parts around to know, 532 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: would it shocked me if DeAndre Baker from Georgia isn't 533 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 1: that same range, No, it would not. So the problem 534 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: is that position drops off and if you don't get 535 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: one in the first fifty or sixty picks, I would say, 536 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: then you're really fishing for some projects in round three 537 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: and beyond. Eric Glass one for me speaking of the 538 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: subject of depth, I think it goes without saying pass rush. 539 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: Defensive line is by far one of the deepest positions 540 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: in this year's class. I'm curious, though, your perspective is 541 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: the Giants start to go into the later rounds. Is 542 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: there a position that people are overlooking where there are 543 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: going to be valuable finds outside of the most popular 544 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: positions such as defensive lineman and pass rush. I would 545 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: say tight ends. Yeah. I mean again, I don't I 546 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: don't know, you know how high they prioritize that position. 547 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: I know they've spent obviously. Evan Ingram was a was 548 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: a high picks of years ago. But you know, you 549 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: can find kind of both the blocking types and the 550 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: receiving types and a couple of combo guys who do 551 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: both well. Dax Raymond out of Utah State is a 552 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: really interesting one. So somebody in that fourth, fifth, sixth 553 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: round range, he's gonna get somebody. You know, there's a 554 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: lot of projecting going on with this San Diego State 555 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: kid Calli Warring has only played limited football. Dawson Knox 556 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: from Ole Miss like a gifted athlete who you know, 557 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: he's just kind of learned. He was a former quarterback, 558 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: just kind of learning the finer points of the position. 559 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: Jay Sternberger from A and M. I think he goes 560 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: higher than that. But the point is there's a lot 561 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: of like guesswork with these tight ends. But there's no 562 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: doubt that that's a position that you know, the first 563 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: time in about four or five years where I get 564 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: back to maybe that you know, it's been a couple 565 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: of drafts now where that position has been as loaded. 566 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: So that's a that's us where I think smart teams 567 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: will just say, hey, we may not need one right away, 568 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: but if there's that perfect fit for us to that 569 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: guy that we think has I upset, grab him. Just 570 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: take him around four or five and and let's get 571 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: the good value there. Yeah. I think Foster Morrow from 572 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: L s U another guy that kind of showed up 573 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: at the combine and wow, but those are great numbers, 574 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: but didn' put up any numbers during the year. Of 575 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: course LS he doesn't really throw the ball much either, 576 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: So it's one of those deals where you kind of 577 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: have to find one of those gems and development Eric, 578 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: great stuff. We really appreciate the time, and we'll talk 579 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: to you down the road. Enjoy the chaos of the 580 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: next two weeks you try to figure out who's lining 581 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: you and who's telling the truth. Thanks Eric, I appreciate it. 582 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: You two. That's Eric at Home does a great job 583 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: for Yahoo. Make sure you Parlem on Twitter as well 584 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: does an excellent job. He's Eric Underscore at Home E 585 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 1: D H O l M. All right, everybody, let's get 586 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: to your phone calls at nine four or five one three. 587 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: It's all presented by cores Light Download the cores Light 588 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: Rewards apt an Amazing Giants prizes will get to the 589 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: request line later on in the show as well. Let's 590 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: start out Mr Meadow unless you have a reaction to that, 591 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: real ques. Eric pretty much summed up everything beautifully. Let's 592 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: go to Robin south windsor then to lead us off, Robbie, 593 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: how are we doing? We're great, rob what's up? Great interview? 594 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: First of all, I'm a draft geek and I'm obsessed 595 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: with it. But my question is who's gonna be the 596 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: surprise pick to see either an NFL question or a 597 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: Giant specific question. But who's gonna be the uh Denz 598 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: Award of this year's draft? You know, either by a 599 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: position or by player that really surprises you. An example 600 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: I would use would be like t J. Hockinson at 601 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: at six or even at seventeen, UM really moving up 602 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: in the draft and surprising people by um where they're 603 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: drafted for the Giants are just in general on the draft, 604 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: which one are you looking for? You could either one 605 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: UM or what boy? That's a good question. I think 606 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna take Rashaan Gary too high. UM. But for 607 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: me taking Rashaan Garrett too high as picking him in 608 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: the top ten, I think would it shock me if 609 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: he went off the board to like Oakland at four 610 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: or a I'll you know that would not shock me, 611 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: given how Oakland likes to take, you know, kind of 612 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: the big, strong athletic types and then develop them. Um. 613 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: I think everyone is pretty high in nol Over, So 614 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: I don't think he's a guy that's that's gonna go 615 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: too high. I think somebody's gonna be aggressively pursuing Drew 616 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: lock in terms of the quarterback. I think he's gonna 617 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: go much higher than perhaps most people project. So I 618 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: mean that would be maybe my surprise. Denzel Ward, I 619 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 1: think is a good example that you brought up from 620 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: last year was top ten that's what I was gonna say. 621 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Board was still a highly projected talent. It 622 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: was just you think to yourself when Cleveland was picking, 623 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: and you know, you had Chubbs still on the board, 624 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: and you said to yourself, will you put him with 625 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett and you already got your quarterback? I mean, 626 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: just run the card up. And they knew, hey, need 627 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: was a big part of the conversation. They didn't have 628 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: any corners from the previous season, they decided to go 629 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: with Denzel Ward. I'll be the first one to say 630 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: I thought they made a mistake and I thought Chubb 631 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: would have been the wiser selection. But the early results 632 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: have very positive Denzel Awards coming off in extremely productive 633 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: work campaign. I think a better example last year, honestly 634 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: would have been Colton Miller, who I think was just 635 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: a huge reach for the Raiders where they picked him 636 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: with twelve or ten maybe even last year, and I 637 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: thought he was a late first early second round pick, 638 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: and so you want to kind of find that guy 639 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: that the team will fall up with the traits and say, oh, well, 640 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, if we also we coach you up, he's 641 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: gonna be able to become that type of player m 642 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: that's a good question. Team. By the way, he only 643 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: went fifteen. I still I still think that was way 644 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: too high. Um that teams like that, like the Giants 645 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: this year, that have multiple picks in the first round, 646 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: have a with their second pick in that first round, 647 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: have a chance of maybe doing a surprise pick like 648 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: that Cleveland Browns did last year, you know, reaching for 649 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: uh with a need rather than going with the best 650 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: player available. Yeah, now, I hear you. I appreciate the 651 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: call man. Thanks a lot. It's a really good question. 652 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: I I don't know who was going to be. Is 653 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: at least one or two reach guys? And he's absolutely right. 654 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: It happens every single year. I don't see any names 655 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: that jump out of me right now. Well, but the 656 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: thing is, it's all reach based on the projections of 657 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,959 Speaker 1: the draft. So ward the reason why. I think that's 658 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: a good example. Yeah, a number of people at the 659 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: time thought it was a reach. Then you look at 660 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: how we produced as a rookie. It's not really reach. Well, 661 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: I mean a good production, it's not reach. You just 662 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: don't see five ten corners usually go and get that. 663 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: But I mean, it's all about if the guy winds 664 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: up producing. Hey, kudos to the team for doing it, 665 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: rolling the dice and and it working out. But somebody, 666 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure is going to be fascinated with some of 667 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: these pass rushers, even though there's a great deal of 668 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: depth at that position, and they're gonna say, hey, we 669 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: need somebody to get after the quarterback. We're gonna aggressively 670 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: take somebody, meaning after the first five or six or 671 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: off the board, and maybe you think there's gonna be 672 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: a slight drop page at that spot. I think somebody 673 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: is going to perhaps be impatient because they're gonna be 674 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: worried if they wait too long. All of these guys 675 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: are gonna be off the board and they're probably gonna 676 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: take one of these pass rushers. I could guarantee that 677 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. It's just a matter of when's the 678 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: run gonna end on those guys. Is it gonna be 679 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: a ten, is it gonna go into the teens. I 680 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: think that remains to be seen because remember some of 681 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: the linebackers you would put in that conversation, guys that 682 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: could be tweaked or the hybrid player that could work 683 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: at a three four verses of four three so it 684 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: really depends on where you draw the line and pass rushers. 685 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 1: But I think there's gonna be a strong run between 686 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: the linebackers slash defensive lineman, and then you're gonna get 687 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: to a point where there's not a lot of depth anymore. 688 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: And I think somebody's gonna probably reach as they need 689 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: that position. And I think it's gonna be my think Montes, 690 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: what's gonna go higher than he's going into the Senior Bowl. 691 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: And I talked to you guys about this from Alabama. 692 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: When I called into the shows going into the Senior Bowl, 693 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: I thought he was a good prospect, not a great prospect. 694 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: At the Senior Bowl, I thought he did fine. I 695 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: didn't think he was dominant, and then at the combine 696 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: he goes up. And I think when you look for 697 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: a reach, I think you find the reaches you look for. 698 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: The guys who combine numbers are a lot better than 699 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: their production. Right. So you got teams that tape point, 700 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: we just get this guy in our room and we 701 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: can coach him up and we can take advantage of 702 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: all those elite athletic skills. We can make it happen, right, 703 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: And I think not that's what's gonna be a bad player. 704 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: But I think people might draft and thinking he's drafting 705 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,239 Speaker 1: him in a position where they think he might be 706 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: a Joey Bosa or Khalil Mack or a player of 707 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: that caliber, when he's going to be closer to a 708 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: player of Chris Long caliber. You know what I mean, 709 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: solid veteran, but won't be nearly as disruptive. Cons I don't, 710 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think. I'm not. I'm not sure 711 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: he's going to be a perennial pro bowler. There's my point. 712 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: And now you don't have to be in order to 713 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: be a first round pick. But if he gets picked 714 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: in the top five, where if somebody falls in love 715 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,959 Speaker 1: with the combine numbers, that to me is overdrafting him 716 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: four or five one three. That's just the name I'm 717 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: throwing out there. Let's go to Antonio Manhattan's up next, 718 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: Antonio m Hey, it's going on, guys, that's everything going. 719 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: We're doing great. What's up? Uh? So I want to 720 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: talk about how I think it's time for the New 721 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: York Giants to uh go ahead and pick a middle 722 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: linebacker at that number six spot. If Kyler Murray for 723 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: some reason is not available. I think the kylemra is 724 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: the only quarterback that we should move up to go 725 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 1: and get. We shouldn't go out to Haskins just because 726 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: Haskins um. After you know a lot of people have 727 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: broken him down. It's pretty much he had a lot 728 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: of talent around him, and he's not a pretty good 729 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: deep ball thrower. Um And and we shouldn't bring somebody 730 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: here who's not a really good deep ball well, I 731 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: don't remember. He could improve in that area. I mean 732 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: that is possible. So but that's a projection. Now you 733 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: said move up to take Murray. What would you be 734 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: willing to trade to Arizona to go up there and 735 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: get Murray? What would you be willing to put on this? 736 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 1: Let's just say that that Arizona took Bosa, they didn't 737 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: take Murray because he's the thing. He what I think 738 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: if both if they take um, if they think Murray, 739 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna get a really good chance to get the 740 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 1: Arizona current could be what's his name? Rosen? Yeah, because 741 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: here's this my just out of get him. In philosophy, 742 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: he valued Jabrell Peppers as a number one pick. So Rosen, 743 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: it was the number one pick. So I think that 744 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: we would be the team to give up a number 745 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: one pick for Rosen. I think that we and we 746 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: will give up the six seven team overall pick for 747 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: for Rosen. I'll be happy for that, listen. And I'll 748 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: even be happy if you give up the number six 749 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: for Rosen, because that is a franchise quarterback. I know 750 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: it would suck, but you know, hey, listen, if you're 751 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: gonna value him as a first rounder and you you 752 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: value Peppers for as a first rounder, just do it. 753 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: Let's just get him. Let's let's make sure that we 754 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: have our next quarterback for the next sentatives and years. 755 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: But if we don't get either one, if we can't 756 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 1: get Rosen, if we can't get Um, if we can't 757 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: get Kyle, let's just go ahead and draft them and White. 758 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: The importance of a middle linebacker to a defense is 759 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: unlike any other. People for some reason, has played down 760 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: what the middle linebacker does non micro solely affects everything 761 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: in a defense from the line to the secondary. If 762 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: he's a good covered guy, the secondary has to cover less. 763 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: If he's a good it's because because pass rusher the 764 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: second that he doesn't have to be at the ball 765 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: in the run, I mean, in the in the the 766 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: defending the passage. I mean you look at a little 767 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: kick and a late in Van deresh Absolutely, I mean 768 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: there's in a two way linebacker who could stop the 769 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: run and cover no doubt about it. Perfect. So it's 770 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: just how it's just how crazy how people have just 771 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: completely you know, yes, I understand pass rush pass or 772 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: pass rusher, but again, and I hate to bring you 773 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: guys up because these guys are the exception to everything. 774 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: But during the regular season, you Ingram had the same 775 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,479 Speaker 1: amount of facts as we did. But what they did 776 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: really well with stopped the run incredibly better than us. 777 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: So well, they also covered much better. I said. They 778 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: also covered in the secondary a lot better than the 779 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: Giant said that was the patriots greatest drink. And it's 780 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: funny if you, Tony, if you look at it, the 781 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: one place where the Patriots invest their money and keep 782 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: the guys on their team, it's in the secondary. They 783 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: value the ability to cover more than any other team 784 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: in the league. Kevin mccordy, they resigned, they brought in Yeah, 785 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: so you know they had the guys on the back 786 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: end that can make up for the lack of sacks 787 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: to your point, and you're right, New England and the 788 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: Giants were equivalent. They finished with the same amount of sacks, 789 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: but the biggest differences on the back end. It was 790 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: apples and Orange. Now an Tonio. Here's the trick though, 791 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: and and I know you're gonna talk about Devin White 792 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: then at six. The tricky thing with him though, is 793 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: that he's not there as a coverage guy right now. 794 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,439 Speaker 1: He's someone you're gonna have to develop as a coverage guy. 795 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: He has all the physical traits and ability to do it, 796 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 1: but there is some development that's gonna have to happen 797 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: in that area. Well, and here's the other thing. Gettleman 798 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: comes from the school of philosophy with respect to Ernie 799 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: a corsi in the Giants, which is trenches. And I'm 800 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: not saying that linebackers are not valuable to your point. 801 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 1: I just I would personally be surprised if he went 802 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: in the direction of a linebacker. I think he looks 803 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: at more of winning the battle up front as opposed 804 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: to winning the battle at the second level. Not to 805 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: say that linebackers are not valuable. Like I said, give 806 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: me Keith Lee and late in Vanderage, give me Seawan 807 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: Lee when he's fully healthy, any day of the week 808 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: or twice on Sunday. I just from a philosophical standpoint, 809 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if they go in that direction. Now 810 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: here's the question that I have to you guys to 811 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: not get off the phone. So if at six, what 812 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 1: so we I'm sure we're not going to go defensive 813 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: tackle because we do have pretty two guys that were 814 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: comfortable with who which end would you like? Would you 815 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 1: guys like to see at six getting picked well? I mean, 816 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: who knows who's going to be left over? Certainly got 817 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: you guys. Would you guys like to see if if 818 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: you guys could pick any end well, with the exception 819 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: of Bosa, that's the guy I was gonna well, Josh 820 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: Allen would be number two or Alan because look like 821 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: they're going to be last for the top three, right. 822 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, if Quentin Williams is there, 823 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: I mean I would take him. I think he's got 824 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: enough versatility where you move him in, you move him out, 825 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: you roped the card and you take him. Thank you, Tony, 826 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: appreciate the call. Where where where I would go and 827 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: where I'm sitting right now. Look, I value stopping the run, 828 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: it's important, but you need a guy on passing down 829 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: as to get after the quarterback. You just do. And 830 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: I say with a good amount of confidence that the 831 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: guy again pass Boston Allen, that I feel most confident 832 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: about getting to the pastor consistently in this draft is 833 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: Brian Burns. And again I don't think he fits you 834 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: know the type of player that get him and usually likes, 835 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: which is a guy that's going to be a little 836 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: bit bigger and a little bit stouter. But they've got 837 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: him and also has said, look, I need a guy 838 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: to affect the quarterback, and I think Brian Burns is 839 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: a better chance of consistently affecting the quarterback than either 840 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 1: Montes Sweat, Cleveland Ferrell or Rashawn Gary. And the other guy, 841 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: by the way, who affects the quarterback but not from 842 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: the outside, is that Oliver Well. By the way, I 843 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: think you can move outside in certain circumstances too, and 844 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: a really good three technique, and I can get after 845 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: the quarterback like a gino Atkins, like a Fletcher Cox. 846 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fill Aaron Donald's name out there, but 847 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: he's a unique, all time great player. I don't think 848 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: it's fair to compare anybody to him. I think at 849 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: Oliver could be somebody. Look at there too, if you 850 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: really think that he can affect the quarterback from the inside, 851 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: which is more effective than an outside pass rush. Hey, 852 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: if you get Fletcher Cox in the first round, I'll 853 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: take Flectric Cox. You get Brandon Graham in the first round, 854 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 1: I'll take Brandon Graham. I'm referring to two Eagles defensive 855 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: lineman who have been extremely effective since the Eagles selected them, 856 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: So I have no problem with that comparison. Burns has 857 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: an extremely high motor. You know that's also I think 858 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: appealing about him, and I think that that perhaps would 859 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 1: make executives interested in him. But remember, you know, they're 860 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: also gonna get James Betcher's feedback to John. I'm not 861 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: saying that Betcher is going to be, you know, the 862 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: end all be all, But I'm sure if you're David Gunnaman, 863 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: how do you not go to James Betcher and say, James, 864 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: if we drafted Brian burn sixth overall, how do you 865 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: plan on you? And by the way, did you see 866 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: what happened in free agency? Do you think they take 867 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: James Betcher's advice and just signed a million people that 868 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: played from with the Cardinals. So I think exactly, Yeah, 869 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: Marcus Gold didn't bring it about. And how much difference 870 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: and how much different from a physical standpoint is he? 871 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: Then Chandler, who the Cardinals had as their number one 872 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: pass rush I'll look at his I'm curious to see 873 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: what his um, what his measurables were coming out of squad. 874 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: Look it up and I'll get to that. In the meantime, 875 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: let's go to the next caller. Is Jandler? Also not 876 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: to cut you up a quired remember from the Patriots 877 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: and change positions? Who's moved off the line of scrimmage? 878 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: When was that? Arizona? James and New Rivers? Up next? 879 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: Hey James, Hey, how are you Fellas doing today? Great? 880 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: How are you? I'm doing well? Uh yeah, I kind 881 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,720 Speaker 1: of want to piggyback on what you're talking about. Burned Um. 882 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: He's my most practical um rusher that i'd like to see. Obviously, 883 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: somebody could fall, but I think, um, you know, I 884 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: feel like he's actually a hole for the head of 885 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: the other sweat Gary Um, any of those other tier 886 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: pass rushers. I think Burns has like you had mentioned, 887 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: the motor, he's got the speed, he's got real moves. Um. 888 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: When I noticed when I was watching Samanta sweat, it 889 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: seems like he gets a lot of his you know, 890 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: production from quarterbacks scrambling into him. Um, just kind of 891 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: dirty plays. It's not really him dominating or winning with 892 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: any real moves. It's just he's kind of in the 893 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: right place or they he falls off onto him. Um. 894 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: Brian Burns is the opposite. He's out there, um, you know, 895 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: like you said, just making the plays with actual skills 896 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: and also things and just to show the accuracy of 897 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: that pro football focus keeps track of pressures, right, which 898 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,760 Speaker 1: includes you know, not only sacks, but getting to the quarterback. 899 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: And Burns lad the whole college country in terms of 900 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: pressures last year. So he's someone that suddenly gets to 901 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback consistently. And I was right. Jones is much 902 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: longer and bigger. He was six six coming out of college. 903 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: Burns is not nearly uh the size of the Chandler Jones. 904 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 1: So just just f y, I has a comparison. Yeah. 905 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: And one other thing about that, um, where I noticed, 906 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: like Montes was the second defensive lineman that teams were 907 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: worried about, Jeffrey Simmons was he was good, you know 908 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: up until it up un though injury. He was the 909 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: defender that they're primarily focused on. And even then it 910 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: wasn't like Montes was just dominating off the edge. UM 911 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: and Rashaun Gary, I'm not interested in the guy who 912 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: was just starts the sports agency before he even gets 913 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: in the league. And you know how all the coaching 914 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: um in the world. You know, it's like every year 915 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: Michigan defensive linemen go in the top two rounds and 916 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: you know this guy, um, you know, all this potential 917 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: and just the idea that he's just all of a 918 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: sudden going to turn it on in the NFL is 919 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: in my opinion. I mean, that's a big question mark 920 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: that sack production is not overwhelming for him. And I mean, 921 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: as Eric was mentioning, and you know, anybody that's washed him, 922 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 1: he's a bull rusher. He's not necessarily a guy that's 923 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: going to come off the edge and just wow you 924 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 1: he just tries to overpower everybody. So you know, that's 925 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: a lot of potential and reading into Okay, if he 926 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: could do it on the offensive lineman in the Big ten. 927 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 1: Can he now do that against offensive lineman on the 928 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,479 Speaker 1: NFL level? That to me is a big question mark. 929 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: I agree. Um, I'll get off the line here. I 930 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,239 Speaker 1: want to make one prediction. Um, So as we were 931 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: a caller or two ago had mentioned the big surprise 932 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: pick um My, I don't think it will happen, but 933 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,800 Speaker 1: I could see it happening. Is just end up going 934 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: off into tackle, uh, which puts quinnin Williams randomly sliding 935 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: because in Oakland justifies not picking them because they had 936 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: Maurice first, and then the next thing you know, Um 937 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: Williams was sliding a bit. And I know how you 938 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: guys had mentioned Leonard Williams and um the kid from 939 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: Alabama who went to Washington. Those are all interior defive blindman. 940 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 1: So it seems like those are the types of guys 941 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: that end up sliding um across teams in the board. 942 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: And let's stort of gets you an insight into how 943 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 1: teams value well just out of curiosity, though, who do 944 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,399 Speaker 1: you think the Jets are gonna take on the offensive line? James? 945 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you they need offensive linement, 946 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: but I mean what you think they're gonna take John 947 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: Taylor that high. No, no, well, you know, I'm actually 948 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,839 Speaker 1: a pro football focused guy. Um, and they like John 949 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: John and Williams. I mean, he started off the whole process, 950 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, as a potential top five guy, and he's 951 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: grated out really well. Um, you know, if the arms 952 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: aren't an issue for him, maybe they just trying to 953 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: protect I'll protect Sam Donald and you know, take the 954 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: top o tam in their mind, thank you, James. And 955 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: from a need, I can't argue with that. I mean, 956 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,800 Speaker 1: the Jets certainly need offensive line help. I just I 957 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: don't understand why they weren't more aggressive try to go 958 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: after that. And for agency. I get it gets expensive 959 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: and everything, but oh, I mean listen, in their evaluation, 960 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: they may have not thought that, but he warranted the talent. 961 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: And I can't much blame them. It's so much cap 962 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: spit they did. They certainly could afford it. Yeah. Yeah, 963 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: they may have their eyes on an offensive lineman you 964 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: know later on in the draft too. I would not 965 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 1: necessarily dismiss that. I believe they gave up their second 966 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: round pick. I think so in the Donald trade, so 967 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: they don't have that. So you know, it is a 968 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: risky move, but I don't know if I love the 969 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: Jets taken Jonah Williams uh that high, I think if 970 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,399 Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if I'm the Jets. I think I'm 971 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: gonna do everything in my power to move down if 972 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: I truly want to try to maximize this draft, get 973 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: some picks back. I'm with you two A one nine 974 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 1: four or five one three. Let's go to Joe and 975 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: South Carolina that he's up next. Ay, Joe, I can't 976 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: argue with that. You gotta listen to your phone, not 977 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: the computer. Joe. You do me a favorite. Turn the 978 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: volume on your computer down and then listen to the phone. Okay, 979 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 1: is that all right? Yes? Sounds good now, Joe, go ahead. Okay, 980 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: excuse me. I've been watching Um Big Blue crick Off 981 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: YEP live for many years and we appreciate it. Excuse me. Um. 982 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: My concern has to do with the draft and looking 983 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,799 Speaker 1: at what's there. I'd like to see him take a 984 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 1: quarterback on the first round. Offensive tackle huh uh, I 985 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: don't know. Six seventeen in trade from Cleveland, silidify the offense, 986 00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: and then it was all the picks we got, Like 987 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: think were about twelve that would be too sweet, good 988 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: ten and then in the early second round then I 989 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:17,719 Speaker 1: start bolstering up the defensive line and backfield. No, you've 990 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,959 Speaker 1: got two good guys in the safety Peters I think, 991 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: and Jenkins quarter quarter corn back and us through the 992 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: ends and tackles. That that has to really be worked 993 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:41,240 Speaker 1: on sufficiently. So what are your comments? Well, I think, Joe, 994 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call. Thanks punch your waying in. 995 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't think you could ever go into a draft, 996 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,879 Speaker 1: and I know fans love to make up a board. John, 997 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,240 Speaker 1: you can't go in first round. We need a quarterback, 998 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: second round, we need an offensive line. You should have 999 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: heard the call I took yesterday. He literally went through 1000 00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 1: all twelve picks and listen, get through that, what possession, 1001 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: what position? He wanted? An all toll picks. And I 1002 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: haven't gone back and look at the video and nobody 1003 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 1: has screenshot, and I thought they would, but there was 1004 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: definitely a lot of like face palming, and just like, 1005 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 1: I'm surprised you let him get through it. But I'm 1006 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: not criticized the last called. I'm just saying, no, no, no, 1007 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,760 Speaker 1: I don't you can't ever go into a draft harping 1008 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: on one position. If the value of the player meets 1009 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: the need of the position, then obviously makes sense. And 1010 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: and I get what he's saying in terms of need 1011 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,240 Speaker 1: right now on the roster. But you know, for example, 1012 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: one of the things he pointed out, you know, wait 1013 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: till later on the draft to fill some of the 1014 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,399 Speaker 1: voids on the defensive line. Well, you know, right now 1015 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: the Giants are in need. You can argue of not 1016 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: a complimentary guy that you're just gonna rotate in their 1017 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: johnt there in need of a premier pass roun. There 1018 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,880 Speaker 1: need there in need of a few premier guys. Okay, 1019 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: so that's not something you just push off till round 1020 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,839 Speaker 1: four or five. You know, somebody will just drop right 1021 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: into our hands. That's why I don't love the philosophy 1022 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 1: of quarterback this round offensive lineman and so far, I 1023 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: think you got a pinpoint in exact player that you'd like, 1024 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: and I think that would maybe warrant in argument. Okay, 1025 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: I like Will Greer. I want him at seventeen. Okay, well, 1026 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: why do you want Will Greer as opposed to I 1027 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,719 Speaker 1: just want a quarterback? Now that's dangerous. And I think 1028 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: if you look at it this way, and whether you 1029 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,800 Speaker 1: go you know, quarterback at six, offensive tackle at seventeen, 1030 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,280 Speaker 1: or vice versa, you're looking at the you know Haskins 1031 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,240 Speaker 1: at a Cody Ford or you know Daniel Jones and uh, 1032 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,359 Speaker 1: you know Juwan Taylor. However you set it up. I 1033 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,320 Speaker 1: like the idea of putting the best possible offensive line 1034 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,239 Speaker 1: in front of your young rookie quarterback. I think that's 1035 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: a great thing. You know, you've got Kevin Zeiteland their 1036 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,439 Speaker 1: contract for multiple years, Will Hernandez, Nate Solder, Spencer Poli 1037 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: if you wins the center job, and then you have 1038 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: your rookie right tackle too. So you're looking at a 1039 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 1: unit that's gonna be together for years in front of 1040 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,640 Speaker 1: a young quarterback that trying to develop. That's really advantageous. 1041 00:50:54,680 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm down for that. Just understand that also means that 1042 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,359 Speaker 1: you're behind the eight bo on defense and you're gonna 1043 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: have a lot of trouble stopping people this year because 1044 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 1: while they filled holes in free agency, like they brought 1045 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden In as a pass rusher, they brought Bethayan 1046 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,880 Speaker 1: as a safety. Um Peppers did your Bill Peppers Obviously 1047 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: in the trade those are guys that are going to 1048 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: help you and be good players, but they're not gonna 1049 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 1: be difference makers, right, And if you're not using either 1050 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: of your first round picks on a difference maker on defense, 1051 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: you might run into some problems this year. But that 1052 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do. If 1053 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 1: those two guys your highest graded players, when you go 1054 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: and pack with them, go for it. But just understand 1055 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: that means you're gonna have to score a lot of 1056 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 1: points this year if you're gonna want to wait, well, 1057 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get into conversations like we did 1058 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,960 Speaker 1: last season where you had a number of close games 1059 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: in the offense put you ahead and then the defense 1060 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,719 Speaker 1: went back out on the field and it was a 1061 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 1: challenge to hold onto the lead. And remember Olivia Vernon 1062 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 1: was on the team last year late in those games 1063 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,719 Speaker 1: and he's not here anymore, and he was one of 1064 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,239 Speaker 1: the most established pass for ussers on the roster, So 1065 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,399 Speaker 1: you take him out of the equation. Yes, you add 1066 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden too, had a breakout campaign in sixteen with 1067 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: James Betcher, but he's also slowly working his way back 1068 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,319 Speaker 1: from a serious injury, and this will be now two 1069 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,359 Speaker 1: years removed, you hope that he can start to get 1070 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,120 Speaker 1: his legs back under him. But you need balance. This 1071 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 1: fascination with you're gonna field the team that's gonna go 1072 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: out and score thirty five points a game and you're 1073 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: gonna win like the Kansas City Chiefs, and I get it, 1074 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,359 Speaker 1: Kansas City was one game away from the Super Bowl. 1075 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: But you know what, when they needed their defense to 1076 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,160 Speaker 1: step up, the Kansas City Chiefs defense did not step up. 1077 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,840 Speaker 1: So Patrick Mahomes, I think it's a great player. I 1078 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 1: think what Andy Reid has put together, it's done a 1079 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,839 Speaker 1: great job on offense. But when they needed the other 1080 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,480 Speaker 1: facet of their team to come through John, they did 1081 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,600 Speaker 1: not deliver. And that's why we're having debates about whether 1082 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 1: or not each team should have a possession in overtime. 1083 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,920 Speaker 1: Why are we talking about that. We're talking about that 1084 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: because one of the elite teams in the NFL did 1085 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: not have balance on their team. So you gotta be 1086 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,320 Speaker 1: very careful when you start hype been up the offense 1087 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: and forget about the other side. You don't win games 1088 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 1: when you have a lopsided lance. The defense is only 1089 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: bad because the offense didn't score enough and they were 1090 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: on the field too much. Remember, Yeah, they were worn down. 1091 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: So we've got to give them extra bottles of water 1092 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,279 Speaker 1: and oxygen masks. Yeah, that's how you build up a 1093 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: good football roster. What do I know? Time to go 1094 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 1: to the request line. All right, so this is something 1095 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: that it started yesterday. Um, I was talking more about 1096 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,359 Speaker 1: the music. That's what I was talking about. Loso loaded 1097 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: that in yesterday. Alright, Well, I wanted the correct timeline 1098 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,160 Speaker 1: in front of me though. That music is that that's 1099 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 1: a multiple hip hop from like the lad A. Well 1100 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 1: it sounded like yes. So basically, here's what we're doing 1101 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: for the request line. Folks. You send us a tweet 1102 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,720 Speaker 1: hashtag giant stat and hashtag request line of a player 1103 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,359 Speaker 1: that you want us to talk about here on the show. 1104 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 1: I'll go and I'll make sure I do some work 1105 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,880 Speaker 1: on him. A look at tape. I'll come on the 1106 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,239 Speaker 1: show and I'll give you a little one nine one 1107 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,239 Speaker 1: minute ninety second spiel about the player. So this week 1108 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 1: it was Bill Goodham at Bill Goodham on Twitter. He 1109 00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,879 Speaker 1: wanted me to talk about a guy that I hadn't 1110 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,359 Speaker 1: looked at yet. And this is why this is fun. 1111 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:01,879 Speaker 1: It gives me a reason to look at some guys 1112 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,680 Speaker 1: that maybe could be a Day three pick that we 1113 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 1: don't know a lot about. So he wanted me to 1114 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,600 Speaker 1: look at Deonte Johnson, a wide receiver out of Toledo 1115 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 1: who was one of the best return guys in college 1116 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,319 Speaker 1: last year. And I'll start there because the reason I'm 1117 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 1: not sure he will be a fit for the Giants. 1118 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 1: They just traded for an elite return guy in Jabrill Pepper, 1119 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 1: so and they have Corey Coleman too, right, and Johnson's 1120 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: value to a team in the draft will be as 1121 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,640 Speaker 1: a receiver and as a returner, So he might hold 1122 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,440 Speaker 1: value for another team more so than the Giants who 1123 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: really need him as a returner. But just some details 1124 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,279 Speaker 1: on him. Ran a four or five three forty your 1125 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,440 Speaker 1: dash at the combine. Looking at his tape, he looks 1126 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 1: a lot faster and quicker on tape than is testing. 1127 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,239 Speaker 1: Um very elusive. He plays outside. He plays inside. Now, 1128 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: remember Toledo is a little bit of a different competition level, 1129 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 1: so I think in the pros he would um probably 1130 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: project to the slot more so than outside. Gets off 1131 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,480 Speaker 1: the line, will very quick, shifty after he gets the ball, 1132 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: good run after the catch. He does have some drops, 1133 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: He lets the ball get into his body sometimes, doesn't 1134 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: kind of extend to get the football sometimes, which a 1135 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: little bit of a problem for him. There's some rough 1136 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 1: quarterback play at Toledo, so it was tough to get 1137 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,759 Speaker 1: a real good feel for exactly what he would do 1138 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,480 Speaker 1: in a better offense with a better quarterback. But he 1139 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,400 Speaker 1: tries as a blocker. He's a good return guy, quicker 1140 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: than fast, so he does run by people as well. 1141 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,280 Speaker 1: I think he would be a good round four wide 1142 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 1: receiver investments for somebody, maybe even late round three that 1143 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,480 Speaker 1: maybe a lot of people have heard about. I think 1144 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,360 Speaker 1: he'll be a very good, um solid slot receiver with 1145 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,800 Speaker 1: some speed to get deep as well. In the national 1146 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,720 Speaker 1: foot forward well, I mean, I'm looking at his numbers 1147 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,839 Speaker 1: just in terms of special teams, and you know, clearly 1148 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,280 Speaker 1: he's got the versatility of damage is a punt returner 1149 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 1: and a kickoff returner. And then you know, I'm reading 1150 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:51,040 Speaker 1: here that he had touchdowns of eighty in receiving. Eighty 1151 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,680 Speaker 1: three is a punt return and n is a kickoff return. 1152 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 1: So he said number of big scores in two thousand 1153 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 1: eighteen across the board for his level of comp he 1154 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 1: has leite athleticism, like he looked quicker and faster than 1155 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,280 Speaker 1: everybody else on the field he played against the Toledo 1156 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: Now when you get to the NFL, that's not going 1157 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 1: to be the case, which is why he's not gonna 1158 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,880 Speaker 1: be a first round pick, right. But I think he 1159 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: has enough to be an effective player in the league. Well. 1160 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: And the other thing is, if he's not gonna be 1161 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,800 Speaker 1: a first round pick and all likelihood, John, He's probably 1162 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 1: not gonna be one of the top three wide receivers 1163 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 1: on the roster, which means year one, if he's gonna 1164 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,840 Speaker 1: make an impact, it's gonna be on special teams. So 1165 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 1: to your point, I think you're gonna have to have 1166 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,959 Speaker 1: a team that values him as a return guy early 1167 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,840 Speaker 1: in his career and then looks to have him blossom 1168 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,640 Speaker 1: and spread his wings where he'll be more of a 1169 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,840 Speaker 1: playmaker as a wide receiver. You know, it's reminding me 1170 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,960 Speaker 1: of former Giant names escaping me for some reason. The 1171 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: wide receiver was the big return guy that we had 1172 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,360 Speaker 1: here a few years ago, was now with the Oakland Raiders. 1173 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,400 Speaker 1: Why am I drawing blanks? I'm trying to remember the 1174 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 1: name of the guy you're talking about punts, but it 1175 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,280 Speaker 1: did a little bit everything. He played all four special 1176 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,800 Speaker 1: teams units on the coverage teams, did everything. Not Thomas No. 1177 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: But in the document Jayne, I was thinking Dayne. How 1178 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, I actually feel I forgot about Dayne Harris. 1179 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,680 Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I did. He reminds me 1180 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,760 Speaker 1: a little of that, just in terms of his resume. 1181 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,600 Speaker 1: I forgot to. That would be to me, a similar 1182 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,880 Speaker 1: way for him to come into the league making immediate 1183 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,960 Speaker 1: impact as a special team's return guy. I think that's 1184 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,040 Speaker 1: a good man branch out as to a wider good name. 1185 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,560 Speaker 1: And he's not gonna be the coverage guy that Dayne 1186 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 1: Harris is who was going the lead coverage right. But 1187 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,240 Speaker 1: I think he's also I think he's a better receiver 1188 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,880 Speaker 1: than Harris was. To be honest with you, I really 1189 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: do to one four or five, one three? Back to 1190 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,760 Speaker 1: the phone to George and Florida's up next? George, what's 1191 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: going on? Hey? Guys? That are you doing? We're doing? George? 1192 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,480 Speaker 1: What's up? Um? When it comes to quarterbacks, I think 1193 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,720 Speaker 1: there's way too much micro analysis going on. UM. If 1194 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,360 Speaker 1: you look back at the Giants history, they've had a 1195 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: couple of quarterbacks three that come to mind. It weren't 1196 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,160 Speaker 1: exactly high draft choices. I don't well Sims was, but 1197 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,920 Speaker 1: he was. He was looked at as a reach back 1198 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,560 Speaker 1: then coming from the school that actually picked ended football. 1199 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,520 Speaker 1: He turned into an excellent quarter But I think, uh, 1200 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 1: building the roster is the important thing, and I think 1201 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,480 Speaker 1: gentleman is doing the right way. And then I think 1202 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: they can bring in a quarterback that I hope he's 1203 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,000 Speaker 1: gonna consider a franchise. Yeah, well, but George, here's the 1204 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 1: thing you say, Then you can bring out a quarterback. 1205 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,120 Speaker 1: Eli was a top tem pic Sims of the top 1206 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,480 Speaker 1: ten pick. Kerry Collins was the top ten pick for 1207 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 1: the team that drafted him, and the Giants got him. 1208 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 1: Those are your three best quarterbacks in franchise history in 1209 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 1: the last forty years. So how are you then getting 1210 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,000 Speaker 1: your next quarterback so you can move up? I guess yeah, 1211 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 1: But I mean, but if you got to move up 1212 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 1: from but if you got to move like, for example, 1213 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:40,320 Speaker 1: let's let's say George for example, quarterback in the first round. Oh, George, George. 1214 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,600 Speaker 1: For example, Let's let's say the Giants are picking fifteen 1215 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 1: last year, after going next year, after going seven and nine, 1216 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,360 Speaker 1: right to get from fifteen to two or three, you're 1217 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: trading three first round picks. Three. That's that's what you're 1218 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,120 Speaker 1: gonna have to do if you want to try to 1219 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,640 Speaker 1: get an elite level quarterback. That's a really, really high 1220 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 1: price to pay. Just why the debates really interesting and 1221 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,160 Speaker 1: why I see both sides of the argument. Well, I'm 1222 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,200 Speaker 1: not saying they should not draft the quarterback this year. 1223 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that there may be a guy 1224 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,840 Speaker 1: like Career. There may be some other guy nobody is 1225 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,040 Speaker 1: recognizing as in a so called elite quarterback or a 1226 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,640 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, but he can be an excellent quarterback for them. 1227 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the quarterbacks round the league. 1228 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,920 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, was he the first round? Okay, Well, I 1229 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,240 Speaker 1: think the bigger point is, George, I get what you're saying. 1230 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,400 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. By the way, we by 1231 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:29,920 Speaker 1: the way we have gone through, all the quarterbacks in 1232 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,320 Speaker 1: around them are top not only first round picks, top 1233 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 1: ten picks. Well, the point is the majority of starting 1234 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,040 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that had success in NFL history even are high picks. 1235 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,360 Speaker 1: There are the outliers that you're gonna bring up and 1236 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Russell, Wilson, ro Romo. There's a number of 1237 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,960 Speaker 1: guys to your point, yes, that have gone in the 1238 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,760 Speaker 1: fourth round, fifth round later and have had success. It's 1239 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,720 Speaker 1: just if you're looking at the highest percentage, George. The 1240 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 1: point is the higher you take a quarterback in all likelihood, 1241 00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: the more likely that quarterback is gonna pay. George, I'll 1242 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,640 Speaker 1: give you some numbers. Second round quarterbacks twelve since nineteen nine. 1243 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,000 Speaker 1: This is non including last year's group second round picks 1244 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 1: at quarterback, twelve percent made the Pro Bowl Round three, 1245 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,960 Speaker 1: round four, nine percent round five. So you're looking at 1246 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 1: a one in ten, one in eight hit rate if 1247 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,880 Speaker 1: you're not picking a guy in the first round, and 1248 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,760 Speaker 1: if you're picking a guy outside the top five, by 1249 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,960 Speaker 1: the way, and pick six to thirty two, you're looking 1250 01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,880 Speaker 1: only in nine hit rate for guys that make the 1251 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. And by the way, that's just Pro Bowl, 1252 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,480 Speaker 1: that's not even All Pro or anything like that. So 1253 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,240 Speaker 1: going about what about Super Bowls, I can give you 1254 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,080 Speaker 1: that too. Um, how about that round two quarterbacks selected 1255 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Super Bowl quarterbacks in the last ten years who were 1256 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,600 Speaker 1: first round picks. I mean, I don't have that I 1257 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,160 Speaker 1: can give you since nine and of quarterbacks that were 1258 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,760 Speaker 1: picked in the second round since n two have made 1259 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,640 Speaker 1: the super Bowl out of thirty two, that's six percent. 1260 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,960 Speaker 1: Three of forty quarterbacks selected in the third round have 1261 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,840 Speaker 1: made the super Bowl. Zero in the fourth, zero and 1262 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,640 Speaker 1: the fifth, two in the six and one in the seventh. 1263 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,000 Speaker 1: And in the first round pick six thirty two, six 1264 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 1: of thirty six I gone to the super Bowl. So 1265 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,160 Speaker 1: the numbers are not great. Well, in the last decade, 1266 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,800 Speaker 1: you're also going to be influenced by a guy named 1267 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Tom Brady the last time I tricked to So I 1268 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 1: mean you have to put the numbers in the other guys. 1269 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,280 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, first round pick, Joe Flacco, first round pick, 1270 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,320 Speaker 1: super Bowl. Um, I'm trying to think of the other 1271 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 1: guys off the top of my head. Jared Goff just 1272 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,840 Speaker 1: got to one. I mean, I'm not looking at the winners. 1273 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm just Carson Carson Wentz who helped get his team there. 1274 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I know he wasn't actually the go to. Well that's 1275 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,919 Speaker 1: say and I'm not looking at the winners. And George again, 1276 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,000 Speaker 1: it's not impossible just to fund the quarterback late. But 1277 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,080 Speaker 1: just understand your hit rate is really really low if 1278 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,080 Speaker 1: you go that rap. But I also see it. If 1279 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,400 Speaker 1: you love a quarterback and you're picking in the middle 1280 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,040 Speaker 1: of the first round, you move up. Listen the Titans 1281 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:57,760 Speaker 1: and the Rams in the past fourth. What I'm suggesting 1282 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: is you got four quarterbacks that everybody's looking at this year, 1283 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,680 Speaker 1: and the analysis seems to be the focusing on one 1284 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,760 Speaker 1: guy and he's the only guy that's going to be 1285 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,880 Speaker 1: able to take you to the super Bowl. I'm saying 1286 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,560 Speaker 1: that there could be four guys that had the potential 1287 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,600 Speaker 1: to take you to the super Bowl. Not all of 1288 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,400 Speaker 1: them are going to get drafted in the first round. 1289 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,000 Speaker 1: And coaching has an awful lot to do with it. 1290 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,240 Speaker 1: You know, I used to think that I'm an older guy, 1291 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,040 Speaker 1: but I used to think that coaching in the NFL 1292 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,680 Speaker 1: didn't matter too much because you've got guys at such 1293 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,120 Speaker 1: a skill level that they came in, you plugged them in, 1294 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,480 Speaker 1: you told them what to do, and they did it. 1295 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,360 Speaker 1: But I changed my opinion. Coaching is huge, and that's 1296 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,840 Speaker 1: and that's why the Patriots are good every year. Yes, 1297 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,560 Speaker 1: Brady is good, Yes they bring in good players, but 1298 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,840 Speaker 1: the coaching staff there is unbelievable and I'm not a 1299 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Patriots fan, believe me, I'm a Giants fan. But they 1300 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,720 Speaker 1: can take players and they coach him, they like to say, 1301 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,200 Speaker 1: coach him up. They prepared him to play in the NFL. 1302 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,320 Speaker 1: And that's why the Patriots, year in and year out, 1303 01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,160 Speaker 1: can let players go and then get somebody else to 1304 01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,360 Speaker 1: do the job. They got an offensive line coach there. 1305 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:04,320 Speaker 1: I don't know who. He great, he's fantastic. Look, George, 1306 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,920 Speaker 1: are absolutely right, and coaching does matter. And you can 1307 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,680 Speaker 1: find the late round quarterback that, if you put the 1308 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,000 Speaker 1: right pieces around them, can go, There's no question about it. 1309 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,960 Speaker 1: But you can also look at teams that have gone 1310 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,600 Speaker 1: that route and kept picking quarterbacks around that part of 1311 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,160 Speaker 1: the draft, and they haven't been good for twenty years, 1312 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Well, and the reason why 1313 01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,400 Speaker 1: is because and I appreciate the phone called George, the 1314 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,680 Speaker 1: reason is because they haven't necessarily taken care of business 1315 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,120 Speaker 1: in the trenches or on defense, which is what we 1316 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,640 Speaker 1: were talking about earlier in the program. The quarterbacks is 1317 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:34,800 Speaker 1: not good enough to get you over the hum well, 1318 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,400 Speaker 1: of course, But what I'm saying is is that this 1319 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,880 Speaker 1: whole thing about Super Bowl appearances, I would still argue 1320 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,880 Speaker 1: a big reason why those first round picks got to 1321 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,800 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, even the late rounders because of the 1322 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 1: team around them. And let's not lose sight of that 1323 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,880 Speaker 1: fact of the conversation as opposed to just focusing on 1324 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,880 Speaker 1: one individual to a one four or five on three. 1325 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,680 Speaker 1: Robin Jacksonville, Rob, Hi, guys, how you doing. We're doing great, Rob. 1326 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,600 Speaker 1: We're a little bit over. So if you could condense, 1327 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:03,480 Speaker 1: I would much appreciate it, Rob, Rob, you is still there. 1328 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,880 Speaker 1: You don't have to condense. That's much job. You can talk. 1329 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,600 Speaker 1: It's okay, don't be shy. Can you hear me? Now? Yeah? 1330 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:13,080 Speaker 1: We got go ahead? Okay. H First of all, I'd 1331 01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,080 Speaker 1: like to say I think Gettleman and his staff are 1332 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,439 Speaker 1: going to do a great job with this draft. They've 1333 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,600 Speaker 1: got a boatload of picks, and I have full face 1334 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,200 Speaker 1: in them that they are going to load up the 1335 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,400 Speaker 1: team with what they find. Having said that, my thoughts 1336 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:32,400 Speaker 1: are Juan Taylor at six, Cleland Farrell at sevent and 1337 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,880 Speaker 1: then my question to you is the top of the 1338 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,520 Speaker 1: second round. If you can't trade that pick for Rosen, 1339 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,400 Speaker 1: would you consider taking Simmons. Oh, that's a good question. 1340 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: He's a top ten pick. If he's healthy, The question 1341 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,200 Speaker 1: is when does somebody roll the dice on him. I 1342 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,960 Speaker 1: mean the Eagles pick Sidney Jones in the middle of 1343 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,800 Speaker 1: the second round, right. I think Simmons is a better 1344 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,640 Speaker 1: player than him. I think Jay Wantsmith is a better 1345 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 1: player than Simmons, but Smith had the worst injury. He 1346 01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,720 Speaker 1: was the top of the second round. Pick. Do you 1347 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,640 Speaker 1: pick a defense they have b J. Hill and Dalvin Tomlinson. 1348 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,600 Speaker 1: I don't think I would go in that direction, but 1349 01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,200 Speaker 1: I don't think it would be a bad pick either. 1350 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,600 Speaker 1: I think that's you're right in the area. I think 1351 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,480 Speaker 1: Simmons will go somewhere. Here's the other thing, too, rob 1352 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,320 Speaker 1: Someone might say, because of the injury, I want that 1353 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,840 Speaker 1: fifth year of control on Simmons and try to get 1354 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,440 Speaker 1: him in late in the late first round. They get 1355 01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,800 Speaker 1: that extra year on him too, because you're looking at 1356 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:33,640 Speaker 1: the upside long term as opposed to just because Yeah. No, 1357 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,000 Speaker 1: I I think that's a good question, interesting one to 1358 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,000 Speaker 1: think about it. The Giants are in that position and 1359 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,840 Speaker 1: he's still on the board. Because remember, like we talked 1360 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,280 Speaker 1: about sa Kwan Barkley pick, you're not just drafting for 1361 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,760 Speaker 1: two thousand, nineteen you are drafting for the length of 1362 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,640 Speaker 1: the rookie contract and the expectation that that player is 1363 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,040 Speaker 1: going to warrant a second contract. So that's why to 1364 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,360 Speaker 1: the caller's points, Simmons belongs in the dialogue when you're 1365 01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,720 Speaker 1: selecting their assuming he's still on the board. And as 1366 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,480 Speaker 1: donal the Giants, this isn't coming off the two thousand 1367 01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,280 Speaker 1: sixteen season where you know you've made the playoffs and 1368 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,240 Speaker 1: you think if you had one player here, one player there, 1369 01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,440 Speaker 1: you can run. This is a building process, so you 1370 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,520 Speaker 1: make sure you get the guy that has the best 1371 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,920 Speaker 1: long term potential to be a big part of this 1372 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,600 Speaker 1: team moving forward. And and that's what you pick. Final 1373 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,160 Speaker 1: call the show, And I said in the last just 1374 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:24,520 Speaker 1: for you, Lance is Charlie in Portland, Man Charlie Show. Hey, gentlemen, 1375 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,680 Speaker 1: Hey Lance, here we are. Does it does a voot 1376 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 1: voodoo all over again? We're on the number six pick 1377 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,960 Speaker 1: in we ended up picking Mr Cedric Jones. That was 1378 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,440 Speaker 1: not a good pick, Charlie. I'm not sure if you 1379 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 1: saw it. By the way, Greg Gabriel, who I don't 1380 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,360 Speaker 1: he worked for a media outlet, I don't know, but 1381 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,400 Speaker 1: he wrote a story. If you go to his Twitter page. 1382 01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,200 Speaker 1: It's it's a great it's actually a great story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1383 01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,200 Speaker 1: And the and the thing is is that you know 1384 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:58,240 Speaker 1: there's gonna be one defensive lineman rusher. I think it's Gary. 1385 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,760 Speaker 1: I think Gary is the next Drick Jones. Myself, I 1386 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,880 Speaker 1: would not pick him either, Charlie. I think that's a 1387 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,320 Speaker 1: very dangerous pick. Yeah, exactly exactly. I think it is 1388 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,880 Speaker 1: really dangerous, and someone's got to pick up. Well, your 1389 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,600 Speaker 1: evaluations have been on points, so I mean, I hope 1390 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,680 Speaker 1: that everybody's listening. Go ahead, continue, Yeah, well, and this 1391 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,280 Speaker 1: gets he agrees with me, so he's probably right or 1392 01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,960 Speaker 1: gentleman is not going to get caught like the Giants 1393 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:31,360 Speaker 1: got caught in because the five guys they wanted all 1394 01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:35,120 Speaker 1: got taken and then they they kind of reached Well, Charlie, 1395 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,840 Speaker 1: the good thing is that there's a much better cohesiveness 1396 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,520 Speaker 1: between the front office and the coaching staff now than 1397 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:46,560 Speaker 1: there was back in. Yeah, for sure, for sure. But 1398 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, I look at it. I look at we 1399 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,000 Speaker 1: got We've got twelve picks, right, we're gonna be picking 1400 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,240 Speaker 1: for need you know. It isn't like we're just gonna 1401 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,120 Speaker 1: all be picking for the best player available. You know, 1402 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna be picking for d That's why we got 1403 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,840 Speaker 1: twelve pecks. Well to a certain extent. Like but for example, Charlie, 1404 01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,280 Speaker 1: we're not telling you you're gonna go take a running 1405 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,400 Speaker 1: back in the first round. That's not gonna happen. But 1406 01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,880 Speaker 1: what positions would you rule out? Besides maybe offensive guard 1407 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,920 Speaker 1: because you have Zeitler and will Hernanders, I probably would't 1408 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,639 Speaker 1: take a guard high either. Besides those two positions, would 1409 01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,040 Speaker 1: you really rule any other position out? I mean, they 1410 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,240 Speaker 1: have needs everywhere all That's what I'm saying. But you know, 1411 01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,479 Speaker 1: the whole thing that we're always saying that we're taking 1412 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: the best player available, which I you know, which I 1413 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,559 Speaker 1: don't think that's true at all. I think we pick 1414 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, if we got a couple of players that 1415 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,280 Speaker 1: are kind of equal, and then our position of need 1416 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,479 Speaker 1: is this, then we grab them. Yeah, of course, but 1417 01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,640 Speaker 1: that makes sense. I think most teams operate like that, 1418 01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,639 Speaker 1: where you've got you just laid out, you've got across 1419 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,920 Speaker 1: the board evenly. So what this differentiates all of them? Okay, 1420 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,479 Speaker 1: were like, hey, we need a defensive linement pass rushing, 1421 01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,599 Speaker 1: We're gonna take the pass rusher well, just for example, 1422 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,800 Speaker 1: say say it the numbers six position. You know we're 1423 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,120 Speaker 1: going to take the best player available now one if 1424 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:10,040 Speaker 1: the best player available is another defensive tackle or is well, Charlie, 1425 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,920 Speaker 1: I hate to tell you. If Quinn Williams is sitting 1426 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,360 Speaker 1: there at six, they're probably gonna take him and Williams 1427 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:20,200 Speaker 1: to effective Bradberry. But he's but he isn't. He isn't 1428 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,040 Speaker 1: going to be the best available player at sex four. 1429 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:31,479 Speaker 1: Right's the last time? When has a Charlie? When has 1430 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:38,519 Speaker 1: a Charlie when better than another Charlie Charlie? When has 1431 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,280 Speaker 1: a center been picked in the top ten in the 1432 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,840 Speaker 1: NFL draft? When's the last time? Seriously, let me come on, 1433 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:48,679 Speaker 1: let let let's not be stupid. Okay, well I'll be stupid. 1434 01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm just not going to he is, you know when 1435 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,960 Speaker 1: he comes there? And you know what, Charlie, when when 1436 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,320 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals take Bradberry with the number one overall time, 1437 01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,200 Speaker 1: you should be doing backflips because somebody good is gonna 1438 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,599 Speaker 1: fall on this, or maybe the Niners will take them 1439 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,320 Speaker 1: and you can put him next to Weston rich Guard 1440 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,720 Speaker 1: and they can play together because Richburn's got the flexibility 1441 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,840 Speaker 1: to play center and guards. Charlie, you got the whole 1442 01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:20,400 Speaker 1: draft scripted up. Let's drafted. I think Garret, I think 1443 01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,600 Speaker 1: Garret Berberry could be picked between fifteen and twenty in 1444 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,320 Speaker 1: this draft. That wouldn't surprise me. I don't think he's 1445 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,320 Speaker 1: going to be a top ten pick. I don't think 1446 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,280 Speaker 1: you're correct about that. All Right, we'll see. Maybe I'll 1447 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,120 Speaker 1: be wrong, but I don't think so. Maybe I'll be 1448 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,439 Speaker 1: get some lobsters this year, thank you, Charlie. It's not 1449 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,080 Speaker 1: gonna be enough lobsters left with all of these bets. 1450 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,479 Speaker 1: By the way, guys, look, Bradberry is a hell of 1451 01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,559 Speaker 1: a player. He's the best center in the class. Centers 1452 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,000 Speaker 1: just don't get draft in the top ten. It just 1453 01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,439 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Travis Frederick, who unfortunately missed last season because 1454 01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,160 Speaker 1: of an illness. I mean even when you look at 1455 01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,880 Speaker 1: with the Cowboys got him what they get late teams 1456 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:56,479 Speaker 1: early twenties, and it was like, yeah, but you know, listen, Charlie, guards, 1457 01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,479 Speaker 1: guards are go on the top ten sometimes well, and 1458 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,799 Speaker 1: then sheriff went in the top tens. There's an example. 1459 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know Jonathan Cooper back in the day, 1460 01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,640 Speaker 1: Chance Warmack I think we're both top ten picks right. 1461 01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:11,240 Speaker 1: Quent Nelson last year is a perfect example. But they 1462 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,439 Speaker 1: were projected at a specific spot. Though Bradbery's known more 1463 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,480 Speaker 1: for a center, that doesn't mean he has an adversatility. 1464 01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,360 Speaker 1: Now he's a center. He is being penciled in at 1465 01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,760 Speaker 1: that spot. I'd be very surprised if he goes top five, 1466 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,680 Speaker 1: top ten if feels are fifteen though, even like I 1467 01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me. I just Charlie, I love you. I 1468 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,760 Speaker 1: just don't see top ten. Was trying to push it 1469 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,320 Speaker 1: one hold on. The Lions also took a center within 1470 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,920 Speaker 1: the last year or two. What whiteside are you're talking about? No, well, 1471 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,080 Speaker 1: white hair was the bit. Sorry, that was the bear, 1472 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,519 Speaker 1: but the Lions took I believe a center as well. 1473 01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,439 Speaker 1: It was two thousand seventeen, two thousand eighteen draft. It'll 1474 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,280 Speaker 1: come to me and maybe I'll tweet it out. I'm 1475 01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,439 Speaker 1: pretty sure. Well, while you look at it, took a center. 1476 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna promote the Giant Tubtle Podcast Episode three is up. 1477 01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,000 Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk to Karl Banks for 1478 01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:59,880 Speaker 1: about an hour. It's up there, make sure you go 1479 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,920 Speaker 1: check it out. We talked about his career. He broke 1480 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,960 Speaker 1: down the current team as well, and just kind of 1481 01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,400 Speaker 1: like trends around the NFL and trends in the league. 1482 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,479 Speaker 1: So make sure you go check that out. Into the 1483 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,920 Speaker 1: Giants Howdy. You can find it on all your podcast platforms, 1484 01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:16,360 Speaker 1: whether it's Apple podcast or tune in or Stitcher or 1485 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,040 Speaker 1: Google Play, you name it, we're there. So make sure 1486 01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,160 Speaker 1: you check it out. The first two episodes, the first 1487 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,519 Speaker 1: with Peter Schrager with me and then Paul de Tino 1488 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,000 Speaker 1: talked to a Monty Tumor, and then I spoke to 1489 01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,360 Speaker 1: Carl Banks this past week. Make sure you check that 1490 01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,439 Speaker 1: out on your favorite podcast platform. Frank right now, that 1491 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,639 Speaker 1: was yeah, So there you go. So there's another one. 1492 01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,599 Speaker 1: But brad Berry is gonna break all barriers. I think 1493 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,200 Speaker 1: he's gonna make history, I think, And I cannot wait 1494 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,080 Speaker 1: to get Charlie's phone call when he proves us all 1495 01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,160 Speaker 1: wrong and he's actually going to play next to Bradberry. Way, 1496 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,640 Speaker 1: do you hear this? The team that drafts Bradberry is 1497 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,640 Speaker 1: gonna sign will beati people. You heard it here right 1498 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,639 Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com. Bradberry and beat the Double Bees, 1499 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,040 Speaker 1: the Killer Bees. Are you go? That's the way to 1500 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,600 Speaker 1: have the show. I also suggest you listen to the 1501 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,240 Speaker 1: archive of yesterday's show. We had two good, real good spots. 1502 01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,439 Speaker 1: Matt Waldman who did his in depth a look at 1503 01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,479 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and some of the wide receivers as you'll hear, 1504 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,800 Speaker 1: and Benjamin so Locked from the Draft Network joined us 1505 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,519 Speaker 1: talking about cornerbacks. Will Beating on the podcast list By 1506 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,160 Speaker 1: the way, no, he's not. Why Charlie would have been, 1507 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,120 Speaker 1: uh stopping everything in his lifetime to listen to that. 1508 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:24,280 Speaker 1: I think we need to get on top of that. 1509 01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,920 Speaker 1: It will be this. It offers to bring in some 1510 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:31,080 Speaker 1: of those candies again. Can we get beating to bake 1511 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,320 Speaker 1: some of those candies again? No, thanks for joining us. 1512 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,479 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time on giants dot com. Everybody, 1513 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:37,080 Speaker 1: have a good day.