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Speaker 2: He's started dozens of movies over his forty year career.

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Speaker 1: understand that our best days are still ahead of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, as you keep saying more will be revealed as well.

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Speaker 1: This too shall pass and more shall be revealed.

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Speaker 2: and a gift to being your presence to have you here,

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Speaker 2: and even the first few moments that we've just exchanged

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Speaker 2: Kind of likewise, and I watched here, which is out

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Speaker 2: on November first, I have so much that I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about it through and through your lens. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I was watching it to me, the theme of home,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: Oh. I came across all sorts of people like that. Yeah,

431
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: And I just said, first of all, what makes you

432
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: so special? And what makes you so smart? What makes

433
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: you so calm?

434
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: You know?

435
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: What was it?

436
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: Did you have a figure out?

437
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: I having the vegus idea, you know, some combination I

438
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: would probably say of connection, you know, a connection to

439
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: a family, connection to you know, uh, perhaps a heritage

440
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: that goes along with that that you know. Some friend

441
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: of mine we were we went to their sons bob mitzvah.

442
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not Jewish, but I said, you got by

443
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: me said O, yeah, of course I got bom Mitzvah,

444
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: he said. And he said, let me tell you something

445
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: about the bomb Mitzvah. This is what's great about it.

446
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: Because my thirteen year old son when he's getting bod mitzvah,

447
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: and I told him, I said, after this, my son,

448
00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: your sins are your own. He's thirteen. But this is

449
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: the you know, and there's studies of you know, there's

450
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: examples of that all through all sorts of cultures, uh,

451
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: and all sorts of histories that said, there is a

452
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: time when you and you alone are responsible for everything

453
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: that goes on goes on in your life. I have

454
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: a I have a friend who is studying with a

455
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: Buddhist monk. You know, a guy whose name he's literally

456
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: got his name venerable in his first name. How about that?

457
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: When I was talking to the venerable you know whatever

458
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: it and I said, look, I know squat about Buddhism

459
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: outside of you know what I you know, see on

460
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: TV shows, So well, what's the deal? And he said, Well,

461
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: one of the smartest things I heard from a guy

462
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 1: who precious Buddhism is my life used to be nothing

463
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: but chopping wood and carrying water, and now that I

464
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: have received some enlightenment, I find that all that is

465
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: necessary for me to live is to chop wood and

466
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: carry water. Okay, all right, man, that's some high country.

467
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you hear that. Well, I

468
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: don't know. If I had heard that at the age

469
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: of twenty two, I would have had the slightest an

470
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: idea of what are But at the age of sixty eight,

471
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, I think I can get a little bit

472
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: closer to that.

473
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: Definitely to that. Yeah, I think there's two things you

474
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: brought to mind for me. I think one of them's

475
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: been when I've noticed some of the wiser people that

476
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: I've met along the way or at a younger age.

477
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: As you were mentioning, it's always been people who were

478
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: exposed to more generations, and so people who were in

479
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: their twenties but new people who are seventy and spent

480
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: quality time with them, or people who are in their

481
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: fifties and spent time with someone who is eighteen or

482
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 2: twenty one, and that kind of juxtaposition of being surrounded

483
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: by people that weren't just all your age in the

484
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: same space, there was a sense of you being able

485
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: to learn and grow and take and receive. I was

486
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 2: spending time with couple that my wife and I have

487
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: become very close friends with, and they're both seventy, and

488
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: my wife and I are in our in our mid thirties,

489
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: and we were we spent a weekend with them, and

490
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: it was brilliant because I got destroyed at pickleball by this.

491
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: For me, Yeah, he's playing pickleball and tennis for four

492
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: hours a day and I can barely play. For a

493
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: couple and so big inspiration. But just the life experience

494
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: and the engagement you get from that. And I think

495
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: so much of our going back to what we were

496
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: seeing about community and even your mention of church there

497
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: or the Holy Land. I was researching something recently. I'm

498
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: writing my third book, and something that I came across

499
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: and I've been playing around with is this idea called

500
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: the third space theory. And what the third space theory

501
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: lays out is that back in the day, we would

502
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: have home, we would have work, and we would have church.

503
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: And church was a place you could look back on

504
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: working home and reconcile and reflect and think.

505
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 1: About you can ponder why bad things happen to good

506
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: people and vice versa. Yeah, a place literally meant for that.

507
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: This is why you come here exactly.

508
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: And now what's happened is let alone three spaces. We

509
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: don't eat, We just have one, so we work from home,

510
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: we live at home, and then our third space or

511
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: the closest thing to it is a television. Probably there

512
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: is there isn't a separate space, and so it's arguing

513
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: the fact that there isn't that space almost to have

514
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: those thoughts, conversations, ideas, insights that may arise.

515
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: The generational thing I think is wickedly important, whether or

516
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: not you like they don't. You know, sometimes it's just

517
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: the old person that's sitting in the corner, you know.

518
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: But other times it's like, you know, a big there

519
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: is some aspect of the big family that is not

520
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: for everybody, you know, because God knows, not everybody wance

521
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: to come to Thanksgiving sometimes because they don't want to

522
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: have that same fight again.

523
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: I had.

524
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: I had a friend who he had his His grandmother

525
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: was like and already had an like she was ninety

526
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: three or something like that, and she was always just there,

527
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 1: you know, just there. And at one point he was

528
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: he was arguing with his parents about not wanting to

529
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: do something. I can't remember what it was, didn't matter.

530
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: But everybody say, why are you doing it? Why do

531
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: you what's that about? How can you do? How can

532
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: you da da da dah blah blah blah. And my

533
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: friend said, wow, hey man, because life's too short. And

534
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: this ninety year old grandmother is just sitting there and

535
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: she said, no, life's not short. Life is long, which

536
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: I interpreted as being life is long. So if you're

537
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: doing something stupid, you know, you're spending a lot of

538
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: time relishing, you know, living inside inside that that stupidity. Yes,

539
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: and my kids are my my old my youngest kids

540
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: essentially were raised along by us as well as a

541
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: couple of people that have you know, been uh employee

542
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: like families for members of him, but also their grandparents,

543
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: their yai and popoo, as they say in Greek, people

544
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: who were never not engaged with them when they were babysitting.

545
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: We never had to have babysitters, We never had to

546
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: have a nanny, We didn't have anything like that. What

547
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: we had instead was two generations removed of people speaking

548
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: Greek to them, asking them questions what are you doing?

549
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: From the moment they are toddlers until they're fourteen years old.

550
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: What they got from that is so different from from

551
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: what I got from mine. There is a joke in

552
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: my family about how bad I am with tools. I mean,

553
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: as soon as I pick up a screwdriver or a hammer,

554
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: I start getting cold sweats. Because my dad had no

555
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: patience with me about He never said, let me show

556
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: you how to use it, let me show you how

557
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: to scrape that off. It was always I'll come on you,

558
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: not head. Don't you know how to stand a board?

559
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: Don't you know the difference between a standard socket wrench

560
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: and metric And I never did because nobody said, let

561
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: me show you how you do this. You got to

562
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: learn it so that you're talking about something there that

563
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: is it's almost it's like water on a stone, you know,

564
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: it just has an effect over time. And uh, you

565
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: know for in many cultures you have to look at

566
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: that and say, the more, the more generations around that

567
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: table with regularity, you know, not just for you know,

568
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: three holidays, three holidays a year, the richer the lesson

569
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: is going to be, you know, the deeper, because you're

570
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: going to pick up some stuff just by like a

571
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: like an old story from you know, from the old country.

572
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: My uh my, my father in law, dad he was

573
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: he was Greek but grew up in Bulgaria and had

574
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: to escape the communists at whatnot which is a fascinating

575
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: story unto itself, but but what what hell? The story

576
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: about being told by his dad to take the donkey

577
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: up to this, you know, up to the mountains and

578
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: get something and bring it back, knowing that there was

579
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: the meanest dog on the planet Earth up there that

580
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: was going to uh try to try to bite him.

581
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: He came back there. Oh, I think of what it

582
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: was is he said, take the donkey up there, and

583
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: he didn't want to wrestle with the donkey. He just

584
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: wanted to go up there and get it back really fast.

585
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: And on the way there, this dog, you know, nearly mauled,

586
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: scared the living daylights out of him. So when he

587
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: came back down, his dad said, I told you to

588
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: take the donkey because the donkey would scare off the dog.

589
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: You know like that, So you know you don't That's

590
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you got to pick up over time.

591
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: But did you did you have multiple multiple generations in

592
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: the home as you were growing up?

593
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: I felt that for me. My my monk teachers became

594
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: that for me because they were older, and so I

595
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: had had among teachers in his probably his sixties when

596
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: I met him, at an who was in his thirties

597
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: when I first met him, and so they became that.

598
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't so close to my grandparents and so I

599
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: didn't really have that same interaction as you wasn't mentioning

600
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 2: your children, did I didn't really have that with them.

601
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: So I had my parents, I had my uncles and aunts.

602
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: But then I think it was really later on when

603
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: I met those two generations in the monastery, that that

604
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: really expanded my breath of you know, human experience.

605
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: The guy's worked across the board. But sometimes you know,

606
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: grandpas are drunk and you know, and and grandma does

607
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: not to but smoke cigarettes and you know, and watch

608
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: Wheel of Fortune. So maybe it's not always me.

609
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: So gave me it gave me. Was there you were

610
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: talking about your experience with your father and you know,

611
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: with the tools, And it's so funny because my dad

612
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: was the opposite. He was he was useless at di

613
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: y and so I'm useless, and so I have that.

614
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: My dad was great. My dad could fix everything. There

615
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: was a there was a story I was talking to

616
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: my older brother that he and my dad my dad

617
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: was a w Why in the word was spending a

618
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: lot of money for crying out loud? We could get it.

619
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: We could get electronics kit and make our own amplifier.

620
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: We don't have to go off and pay all this

621
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: much money. But I'll get up to a turntable and

622
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: a speakers there we have stereo systems. So they got

623
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: a kit and I saw them working on it together,

624
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: and I was kind of jealous and I'm honestly forty

625
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: years later I said to so you know that when

626
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: you made the amplifier with Dad, I was really jealous,

627
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: being like, oh man, I wish I would have done

628
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: anything to trade shape places with you. My dad was

629
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: so miserable as we're doing it always or you not head?

630
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Don't you know? Don't you know why? To Solder, it's like, oh,

631
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's a perspective of everything.

632
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, did you try to? Did you try to

633
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: pair in differently? Like? Did you?

634
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: You know? You try to? But I made every mistake.

635
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: You know, you scar the kids somehow in the same

636
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: exact way, and as they get older, you know, you

637
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: come back around it said, hey, can I talk about

638
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: what a nodthead I was with you for all those years?

639
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: And said yeah, sure, Dad, Yeah, I've been kind of

640
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: waiting for this. Why don't what did you? What are

641
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: your unloads? So no, but I would say at the

642
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: same time, I think there was you know, does it

643
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: come up to be fifty to fifty? Maybe the attitude

644
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: and the you know, the life that we led, the laughs.

645
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Speaker 1: Different they all are, you know, they are not the

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666
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667
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Speaker 1: I think I just had to get used to it

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Speaker 1: because I was number three. People ran out of time,

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Speaker 1: you know, they didn't have the wherewithal of the interest

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Speaker 1: because I was so young when my parents split up,

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Speaker 1: and you know, was satisfied. I think it was reprieve

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Speaker 1: for them. So I just got used to occupying myself

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Speaker 1: by being alone. Yeah, and that's really great and it

731
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Speaker 1: can be really detrimental.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can relate to so much of that as well.

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Speaker 2: I felt I was the eldest, just one of two

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Speaker 2: and my parents. You've used this word previously in other

735
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Speaker 2: interviews of having your parents had a fractured relationship, and

736
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Speaker 2: so did mine, and so there was definitely a sense

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Speaker 2: if I had to build independence, accountability, and responsibility very

738
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Speaker 2: early on because I had to take care of things.

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Speaker 2: And I also look back at that as such a

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Speaker 2: strength and I'm so grateful for it in a kind

741
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Speaker 2: of weird way because I feel like it made me

742
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Speaker 2: grow up earlier. Not in a way that I felt

743
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Speaker 2: I lost to childhood or I didn't have amazing experiences,

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Speaker 2: but I'm really happy now when I look back that

745
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Speaker 2: it gave me strength and courage much.

746
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Speaker 1: But as the older one did, they have some expectations

747
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Speaker 1: of responsibility put on you, like where are you going

748
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Speaker 1: and you have to be back by now? Where there

749
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Speaker 1: are rules placed.

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Speaker 2: No rules, no rules for me, more expectations educationally and

751
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Speaker 2: what was strange, which is so much link to what

752
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Speaker 2: I do today, and I've drawn that line fairly often

753
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Speaker 2: for myself is I was emotionally dependent on by both

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Speaker 2: of them. Okay, so I became the therapist.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's no wonder you went off for three years

756
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Speaker 1: to sleep on the floor exactly on the ground.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm grateful for it now though, because I

759
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Speaker 2: think it gave me the ability to listen closely, be empathetic,

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Speaker 2: understand both sides, care for both, like he gave me

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Speaker 2: that ability to recognize how it takes two to ten go.

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Speaker 1: I think, I think this is a viable study about

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Speaker 1: where you are in that pecking order every now. And

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Speaker 1: I agreed about it because because I was last and

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Speaker 1: last by like five years, I had no rules. I

766
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Speaker 1: had no expectit. They had. They had spent so much

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Speaker 1: time trying to establish that with the older you know,

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Speaker 1: my older siblings. They didn't want to bother with it anymore.

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Speaker 1: So if I was gone for you know, like two weeks,

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Speaker 1: I just didn't come home for two weeks in high school,

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Speaker 1: they knew I was sleeping at somebody's house and doing

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Speaker 1: my homework and getting to school on my own. They

773
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Speaker 1: were thrilled that they didn't have to, you know, they

774
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Speaker 1: didn't have to discipline me or punish me. They didn't

775
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Speaker 1: have even have to think about me. I just came

776
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Speaker 1: and went by myself. So, but I was not the oldest,

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Speaker 1: you know, I did not have somebody that was establishing

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Speaker 1: the rules and you know the structure of the family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Yeah, that was different for me too.

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Speaker 2: I had expectations that academically, which is normal in an

781
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Speaker 2: Indian family, but there weren't any rules for me as well.

782
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Speaker 2: So if I was out and about and doing whatever

783
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Speaker 2: it was, it didn't matter.

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Speaker 1: And so so I'm gonna it's the stereotype of the

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Speaker 1: Indian family, are they? Are you all brilliant students? Do

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Speaker 1: you all work really hard.

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Speaker 2: And finish all you're forced to? Yeah, you're forced to.

788
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Speaker 2: You're forced to prioritize homework. Education is all that matters.

789
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Speaker 2: Your social skills, life relationships don't matter. It's all about

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Speaker 2: how well you're glad.

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Speaker 1: I'm not an Indian and there's no way I could

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Speaker 1: have been.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about how well you perform academically. Your

794
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Speaker 2: whole life revolves around that.

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Speaker 1: Were your parents like high academic and June.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they I would say they did very

797
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Speaker 2: well for what they had. So my dad became a

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Speaker 2: chartered accountant. He qualified in England, but he grew up

799
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Speaker 2: he was raised in India, and my mom never did

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Speaker 2: any more than what you'd started up until age sixteen,

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Speaker 2: and then after that also became an entrepreneur and became

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Speaker 2: a financial advisor. So they both struggled and worked hard.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It was going it was going right

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Speaker 1: where I thought it was until you said, and then

805
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Speaker 1: became an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ok, yeah, which I realize growing up that she

807
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Speaker 2: was an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: Well, that comes from somewhere of that structure of education

809
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Speaker 1: and homework done even no matter the gender.

810
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Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, exactly definitely. But I was thinking about, as

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Speaker 2: we're talking about your life, I can't help but think

812
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Speaker 2: about the movie here that I'm so grateful I got

813
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Speaker 2: to watch a couple of days ago, a couple of weeks, no,

814
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Speaker 2: a week ago now, and I really just felt that

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Speaker 2: it was a work of art. That's kind of what

816
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Speaker 2: I took away from it. It was a work of

817
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: art because really, as a film more recently had me

818
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Speaker 2: so fixated on. First of all, the way it's produced

819
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Speaker 2: and created is beautiful, and the way it's a pretty

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Speaker 2: deep throat, it's it's so deep, and it's perfect for

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Speaker 2: this conversation that we're having. And even as you're reflecting

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Speaker 2: on all of these scenes in your life. To me,

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Speaker 2: I can't help.

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Speaker 1: The project, oh dear, Oh but you because because it

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Speaker 1: was four of us, you know, Bob, Bob Zamacus and

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Speaker 1: Eric Roth and Robin and I and everybody everybody else

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Speaker 1: in it, you know, Paul and every re actor. Did

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Speaker 1: we The scenes are very very specific of a moment

829
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Speaker 1: in a family's life, yes, and everybody was armed for bear.

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Speaker 1: Everybody had a thing that it had happened to them

831
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Speaker 1: that was like that. Not necessarily example, but the sensory experience,

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Speaker 1: the emotional connection to every single moment in this thing

833
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Speaker 1: was really quite resonant for us all. And I had

834
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Speaker 1: to when I people say what are you working on?

835
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Speaker 1: Or I'm making a movie called here? I say not

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Speaker 1: h E A R it's h E R E. I said, well,

837
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Speaker 1: what's it about? I've said it is about how important

838
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Speaker 1: things are when they happen here, you know, because you

839
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Speaker 1: cannot control them, and they are if you the film,

840
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Speaker 1: I mean all of the permutations it goes. You know,

841
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: we say the camera stands still in space, but it

842
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: moves in time. You know, everybody, every character in it

843
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: is going through that profound thing that happens in a

844
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Speaker 1: specific moment in their life. And where does it happen.

845
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Speaker 1: It happens right here. So we were always to talking

846
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Speaker 1: about presence, you know, some big aspect of it, and

847
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Speaker 1: also that we do not know that we're living in

848
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Speaker 1: a moment of history. We don't know. They don't know

849
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Speaker 1: that the first tribes, you know, the Native Americans, they

850
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: don't know that they're Native Americans. They're just living in

851
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: the moment. They don't know they're living, you know, six

852
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,360
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853
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,839
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854
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,200
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855
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Speaker 1: in the right now of it. And that's a type

856
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Speaker 1: of thing that really is so examinable examine the bull

857
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Speaker 1: in a very specific type of cinema that that is

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Speaker 1: the point of the what the whole movie is that

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Speaker 1: you know that Bob and Eric fleshed out long before

860
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: Robin and I came along, and along with that comes together.

861
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: The four of us have a history that we can

862
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: go back to. I mean, Robins worked with Bob a

863
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: couple of times. I've worked with Bob a number of times.

864
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: Eric is one for in mine. We worked on stuff

865
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: all the time, and every time we've done it, we

866
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: have a pinpoint of the difference between here at the

867
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: moment that had happened and now at this moment where

868
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about establishing a whole new other place in time.

869
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I mean, when I was watching it, I

870
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: couldn't help but think of every place that has been

871
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: monumental in my life, and then think about how many

872
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: other events must have taken place in that room, in

873
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: that space that I'm not even aware of, and I

874
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: might even take for granted and not recognize the value

875
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: of both in my life and previously, and of course

876
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: the future as well well.

877
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: I had to wrap my head around this thing that

878
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: I had never experienced. We lived here. I've never lived

879
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: any place, you know, you know now I've now I've

880
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: had I've lived had in the same literally home as

881
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: in three dimensional structure and time and space. I've had

882
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: that now for you know, a couple of decades here,

883
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: but this idea of someone putting so much I don't

884
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: want to say importance, but having so much emotional centeredness

885
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: in literally this place, in a room, by these stairs,

886
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: through this door. The TV used to be there, and

887
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: there it was there. Here's where mom and dad did this,

888
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: Here's where I did that. I don't have that. Oh

889
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: I got it, you know, like we got married, and

890
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, finally I didn't. But I didn't get it

891
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: until I was thirty five years old. And my kids

892
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: have it, and sometimes I have to ask them about

893
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: their perspectives. I moved around so much as a kid.

894
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: I looked forward to it. When we moved out of

895
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: the house that my kids had been born in and

896
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: lived in for the better part, you know, lived in

897
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: for like fourteen years a piece, they were sort of

898
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: undone by it, and I didn't understand it. I literally,

899
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: in the back of my head, if not verbally, said,

900
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: what's a big deal? You know, how's that for a perspective?

901
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: It is a huge deal if you're actually there and Richard,

902
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, Robin and I are characters. You know, I'm

903
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: born in the house, I grow up in the house.

904
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: My kids are born in the house, or entire marriage

905
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: and family is spent in that house, and is it

906
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: a solace or is it a boundary that you're never

907
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: able to get through of that? Experiencing that and examining

908
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: that was, Oh my lord, I can't tell you how

909
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: many how much conversation. This whole movie was just one

910
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: big ass conversation about what it means, and not so

911
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: much about what the words are, how we move around.

912
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: That's the technical stuff that goes along. But every moment

913
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: that we were off by ourselves, it seemed to me

914
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: we were trying to weigh this very specific thing of

915
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: what we have always, what we have all been through

916
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: in our odd you know, celebrated goofy stupid individual lives,

917
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: and what it meant to this the h E R

918
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: E aspect of this story that we were trying to tell,

919
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: and Bob particularly I mean Bob's, and we all I think,

920
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: incorporated our own approach to our art form and commercial

921
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: life to it. Bob is a filmmaker, is not about

922
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: to do a shot that anybody could do, you know,

923
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: And he's not about to tell a story cinematically in

924
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: ways that have been done before. He's just built that

925
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: way hell anybody could do that. You know, he says

926
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And Eric, as a screenwriter, he's constantly

927
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: landing on this place where only his words on paper

928
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: can translate this thought process. And Robin and I you know,

929
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: I'll Paul everybody, everybody, And the thing is like, I know,

930
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: the lines turned me loose. Let's go, let's go. What

931
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: are you going to do? You're going to try that?

932
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: Let's try that? Are you going to just take it?

933
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: You know, this ongoing game of improvisational emotional football in

934
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: which you're just and I mean football is the international sense. Yes, Premiership,

935
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: the Championship, as league. It is a ball that is kind.

936
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: It's a matter of engines, it's a matter of a curve.

937
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: It's a matter of being in the right place at

938
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: the right time in order to receive what's given to

939
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: you and then pass on to somebody else.

940
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I know the film uses digital anti

941
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: aging technology and you have to see yourself many years younger.

942
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: Was there any special feeling of that?

943
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: It was kind of great. Yeah, I mean because it's

944
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: a great tool because it's been you know, people are

945
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: aged and younged up in movies, you know, since since

946
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: Edison stole George Melier's film process back in the early

947
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds. It was fascinating to watch because it ended

948
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: up being the tools were so much better that it

949
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: was a different completeness to it. Absolutely, you know, we

950
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: all had you know, you always have hair and makeup.

951
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: We went through extensive everything you know they did. At

952
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: one point, I'm sitting there and Jennifer are fabulous makeup artist.

953
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: She's just looking at me. She just grabbed both of

954
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: my ears and then lifted them up and shoved them

955
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: into the top of my head, and I said, what

956
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: are you doing? He said, oh, Tom, we're working on

957
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: you being seventeen and as you age, your ears grow

958
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: and lower on your head, and so I'm trying to

959
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: see if I'll be able to glue them up on

960
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: the side. I said, have at it, girl. So that

961
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: all of the tool aspect of it is standard. What

962
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: was new is that we could see it in real time.

963
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: We didn't have to send it off and wait for

964
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: a long post production thing. Because that was the deep

965
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: fake technology that uses some form of AI just to

966
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: make it much much faster and immediate. And listen, what

967
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: one of the things that it shows is just how

968
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: old bio because you know, you got to have posture

969
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: and energy. If you're if everything else about you looks

970
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: like you're twenty two years old, you're going to have

971
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: to embody a twenty two year old. I'm going to

972
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: tell you right now, it's very hard to leap off

973
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: a couch and enthusiasm as a as a as a

974
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: sixty seven year old guy. At the time that.

975
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: We did it, I didn't even think of that.

976
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, had a lot of tea, had

977
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: a lot of protein for us, you know, got a

978
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: lot of rest, got a lot of stretching, you know,

979
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: in order in order to make that happen.

980
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned presence there, and that was a theme

981
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: that definitely struck me. What do you find helps you

982
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 2: be the most present today as you're living.

983
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: There are times that I think you have to be oblivious.

984
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: You have to sort of like enforce it. You have

985
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: to not think of things. It's crazy, but one of

986
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: the most basic things I think that I learned probably

987
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: in junior college when I actually for the Chabeau Community College,

988
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: when it truly did begin to study this kind of stuff,

989
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: is that the words what you are saying has to

990
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: be so familiar to you that you don't think about it.

991
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: And that is a degree of being oblivious to the

992
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: specifics of what you're doing, because if you're trying to

993
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: get through it, that means self consciousness. That means you

994
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: are not getting out of yourself, and self consciousness is

995
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: the death of performance. Ask any actor this thing is

996
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: that if you have a scene, well, you have to

997
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: go to a deep emotional place and the only way

998
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: to do it is to go there. Chances are you

999
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: have had the most wonderful day of your life prior

1000
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: to that, or that it is so much fun to

1001
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: come to work that day, all right, So that's one

1002
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: thing that you have to do. And the other side

1003
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: of it is if you have to be charming and

1004
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: convivial and funny on paper on stage a day, chances

1005
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: are you're going through some personal health you know off uh,

1006
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: you know off camera that you just have to be

1007
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: oblivious to somehow. And along with that, there's a I

1008
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: can't discount enough the joy of the hang I think

1009
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: what I do for a living joy does does it

1010
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: promotes it? The and joy not necessarily being we're all

1011
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: having a great time, We're all you know, singing campfire songs,

1012
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: but the joy of allying yourself with great collaborators and

1013
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: trusting that they are going to get better stuff out

1014
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 1: of you that you could possibly bring yourself, and being

1015
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: open to just knowing it so well. Everybody says, well,

1016
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: what do you mean by what do you mean? What

1017
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: do you mean by learning the lines? I mean learning

1018
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: the lines like you know, the of the lyrics to

1019
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: the best song you ever heard in your life. Yesterday,

1020
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: all my trouble seems so far away now. I need

1021
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: a place that's here to say, Oh, I believe you

1022
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: got to be able to rattle it off that fast,

1023
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: that easily. It's going to be so much a part

1024
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: of you that you don't have to think about it all.

1025
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: If I actually sang the right words to you.

1026
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that makes a lot of sense. And I

1027
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 2: feel there's this It's amazing to see your enthusiasm, excitement, joy,

1028
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: you know, continuing your career when you're even what you

1029
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: just said now of working with people who can get

1030
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: even more out of me, and that belief that there's

1031
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: more in you always. You've talked about imposter syndrome in

1032
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: the past, which obviously I'm sure everyone when they look

1033
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: at you find it hard to believe. But I recognize

1034
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 2: when you've shared or I've heard you talk about it before,

1035
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: it's very real. It's very genuine, this feeling of like, oh, well,

1036
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: you know, walk us through that. How you've been able

1037
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: to constantly believe there's more in you, to give, more,

1038
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: to do, more, to find.

1039
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: Somebody wanted me to do a movie, all right, and

1040
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: it was great and I should have done it. It

1041
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: was going to be for a lot of money or peing.

1042
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: You go somewhere cool, you get a good you know,

1043
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. There was no reason not

1044
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: to do the movie, except there was something that I

1045
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: just said, this is not the match for me because

1046
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: number one, I don't have any curiosity about the subject.

1047
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: Now that's not the only reason to do it, but

1048
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: in order to translate the theme of the movie through

1049
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: a performance, there has to be some sort of challenge

1050
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: and curiosity to it, and I had none. That was

1051
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: one thing. But the other part of the two I

1052
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: was searching. I was I was having a one on

1053
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: one talk with the director and I just I said, look,

1054
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: I said, I don't I don't have the I don't

1055
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: have the I don't have the countenance, and the drinker said, countenance.

1056
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: The hell does that means? Said, there is a thing

1057
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: that we all carry with us. We have a countenance

1058
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: that comes from everything we've said, all the work that

1059
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: we've done, all the all the times that we've either

1060
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: succeeded or failed, Because they both go together. Failure teaches

1061
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: you a lot more than success does. I'm talking about

1062
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: commercial success, but that idea that you walk away from

1063
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: a job and you think that we went to a

1064
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: new place in order to in order to examine this

1065
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: theme that only we could have done unless we all

1066
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: got together and challenge each other and made it happen,

1067
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: and without that type of stretching of one's countenance that

1068
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: you come into. Uh, that's that to me is the

1069
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: That's that to me is the big mcgilla. I still

1070
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: find myself, uh, completely at the mercy of that instinctive

1071
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: moment of oh my god, that's what that's what I think,

1072
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, and the next thing you know, you'll want

1073
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: to do it and you're talking talking about it continuously,

1074
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: And there is nothing that anybody says that detracts from

1075
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: that initial initial experience because you know the other other,

1076
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: you know that there's there's plenty of the things that

1077
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: you can do because they're fun. I mean, my my,

1078
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: my beginnings. The first time I was a professional actor,

1079
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: we were in repertory theater uh at uh with my

1080
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: Vincent Dowling at a place called the Great Lakes Shakespeare

1081
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: Festival in Cleveland, Ohio. And because we were in a

1082
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: rep we did everything we did. We did Hamlet and

1083
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: King John at Othello at the same time we were

1084
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: doing fabulous Rip Warren comedies that everybody, everybody dug. The

1085
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: countenance then is exchanged between them between the two, and

1086
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: that's something that it's not a burden at all, but

1087
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: it is a it is a prism through which a

1088
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: decision has to be made. Going back again to this

1089
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: idea of this, I believe that mike my count and

1090
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: look it up staff, look up countenance for me. My

1091
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: countenance is not going to aid the examination of this theme.

1092
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: And movies work when the theme is worthy of being

1093
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: examined by that movie. And so in that case you

1094
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: just have to say, uh no, there's a you need

1095
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: somebody that's going to come in there like a you know,

1096
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: like like a like a mad dog and devour that

1097
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: bone and I just my countenance doesn't match up to that.

1098
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you've never compromised that.

1099
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I've compromised you twenty of time. Okay, you know

1100
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: making mistakes. You know, there was a period of time.

1101
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: Look look at my IMDb. It might be up in

1102
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: triple digits by now, you know. And it was a

1103
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: time where I just said, they are asking me to

1104
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: be in a movie. You don't say no to that.

1105
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: And that's young. That's the stuff that you do in

1106
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: your twenties and in your thirties, and then sometime in

1107
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: there you start thinking about no, no, no, no, wait

1108
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: to bit, Wait a minute, wait a minute, the greatest decision.

1109
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't think I've ever said no yet,

1110
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: except by schedule. But now it turns out to me

1111
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: that's where you start shaping what your your art and

1112
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: the body of work you have to start. The power

1113
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: is saying no. And that's really it was really hard

1114
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: to do when you know everybody thinks you're great. You

1115
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: show up and everybody wants you to do it, and

1116
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: everybody says fabulous things. But I've I didn't know I

1117
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: was compromising because I didn't know any better. But there

1118
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: was a moment. I guess when you say, like, ah,

1119
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't want to. I don't

1120
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: want to. I think I'd be compromising somewhere here. And

1121
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: so the first time I said no to something, it

1122
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: was a very it was it was on one hand,

1123
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: liberating inter course. I might have thought I made the

1124
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: biggest mistake of my life. You know, I tell you,

1125
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: if you take any great take, any great magnificent take,

1126
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: let's just pull from to take Faye done Away and

1127
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: Lawrence Olivier, they have very specific countenances. There is a

1128
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: thing that you will say, oh my god, the countenance

1129
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: of Lawrence will really really Ozzie Davis, Well, you know

1130
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: any grade then wow, that countenance matches. Yes, And that's

1131
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm.

1132
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, there is.

1133
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: It makes like a you know, some sort of cosmic

1134
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: weight that they carry along with it that makes sense

1135
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: for what they're doing.

1136
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, there's a listening to you speak about

1137
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so relieving to hear that you've compromised sometimes,

1138
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: like because it's a relief I'm.

1139
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: By my house right if but not a compromised you know,

1140
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: how about that you want to do that. We'll bring

1141
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: that well, I love it. I mean, we'll bring the

1142
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: DVDs and say this is the DVD of Compromise.

1143
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that'll be amazing. No, I think, because I

1144
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 2: think we're so good, we forget that. You're used to

1145
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: celebrating and counting someone's wins and hits when they've had

1146
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 2: so many, and you look over the compromises or whatever

1147
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: it may have been. And so it's a relief hearing

1148
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: that because your values of how you pick a project,

1149
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 2: of how you work on a project seems so so

1150
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: strong and defined now, and that's obviously come with time.

1151
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: As you were making here, was there a particular scene

1152
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: that reminded you of a time in your life that

1153
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 2: you want to revisit, relive, rethink.

1154
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: Eugene O'Neil wrote All Wilderness. He wrote that play as

1155
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: the life he would have, he wanted to have, he

1156
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: wished he had had, the family that he had wished

1157
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: he had. And I always read that Eugene only is

1158
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: a big reason why I became an actor, because I

1159
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: saw great productions of his stuff back in nineteen seventy five,

1160
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: seventy six, And when I finally saw All Wilderness, I

1161
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: was knocked out because it was as delightful a play

1162
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: as it was. And I'd always heard that he wrote

1163
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: that as you know, the family that he wished he had.

1164
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: I thought about that when I was doing here, because

1165
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: there are moments, for example, when we're just sitting watching

1166
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: TV and you know, Robin is there, the kids are little,

1167
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: and we're just there. We ended up talking about what

1168
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: would be on the TV, you know, and I went

1169
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: right back to you know, I don't know it was

1170
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 1: a Dean Martin show or an episode of something, even

1171
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: down to some of the commercials that we wanted to

1172
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: and those moments were transporting for me, but not in

1173
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: a home the way we were picturing it. I remember

1174
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: seeing those in an apartment that we lived in for

1175
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: two and a half years when I was walking to

1176
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: school by myself, or the first year's you know, somebody

1177
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: was married to a step spouse that was not the

1178
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: most benevolent human being in the planet earth. Right. Sometimes

1179
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: I remembered sometimes just that that gathering around like mindedly

1180
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: getting the same thing out of a TV show, like

1181
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: an electric fireplace. But it was solace. It was a

1182
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: togetherness that belied what was really going on. In the house.

1183
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of those, particularly when the kids

1184
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: are little and Robin and Iron the early early years

1185
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: of our marriages, that were sublime right then and there

1186
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: because we're laughing, it's there, the kids are being goofy,

1187
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: there's a moment that there's a moment that comes along

1188
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: and what I don't think there's a better example of

1189
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: a true sense of family and home and connection in

1190
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: moments that are not Thanksgiving or Christmas morning, or a

1191
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: wedding or a kid They are when you're just sitting

1192
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: around on a Thursday night, you know, content and happy

1193
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: and nothing is happening except the sense of presence that's there.

1194
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: There's a couple of them. That's funny that they usually

1195
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: asked that because I realized now that the amount of

1196
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: the amount of suggestions we all had for how we

1197
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: would sit there, what would be on the TV, what

1198
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: we had done just before, was coming right out of

1199
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: right out of our individual lives, from Bob, from Eric,

1200
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: certainly from Robin and myself.

1201
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt so real. It feels so real. Every scene,

1202
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 2: every conversation, every event feels so real.

1203
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: One of the things that we learned because it's shot

1204
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: in this very specific you know, aspect ratio, you know,

1205
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: camera position is that everything works. Everything if you're in

1206
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: the scene, even if you're not talking, you are registering

1207
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: in a way that warrants attention. The stuff that is

1208
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: on the walls. I can't say enough about the TV.

1209
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,919
Speaker 1: Here's something goofy. I walked onto the set one day

1210
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: and it was from a period from you know, early

1211
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties or something like that, and the TV was

1212
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: an old General Electric TV that was the same model

1213
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: we had when Apollo eight flew around the Moon we had.

1214
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: This was the TV we had, all black and white

1215
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: thing with General Electric, had this big channel changing knob

1216
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: on the side. It was like that, and it was

1217
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: the same maple cabinet. It wasn't big. It was just

1218
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: not much. You know, it's on legs, and it had

1219
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: the cloth speakers at General Electric and any thing like that.

1220
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: And I immediately took a picture of it and I

1221
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,480
Speaker 1: sent it to my siblings and I said, you recognize

1222
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: this and they all said, ah, that's a TV from

1223
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: the Johnson House. You know. It was like that. So

1224
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: it had these kind of like talismans that came along

1225
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: with it that oddly enough, they were. They were both

1226
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: great to see and bittersweet to remember. Does that make sense?

1227
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure? Sure? Do I know you're fascinated by space?

1228
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: Do you have any desire to go to the Moon?

1229
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: Oh? You know, if they were going to do a

1230
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: thing where you know, regular blokes could just go up

1231
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: and go around it, I mean I take that.

1232
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: That's it.

1233
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just just to do it. But oh yeah, I.

1234
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: Think I'm sure love to take.

1235
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: Oh I'm not going with him, but he's not going

1236
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: there anyway. You know, they're just going up. But I've

1237
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: met I've talked to the I've talked to the crews

1238
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: that are in line to make the next orbit around

1239
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: the Moon that could happen as early as twenty five

1240
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: twenty six, And man, oh man, I just say, hey,

1241
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: if you need someone just to clean up and crack jokes,

1242
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: you got room in there, give me a call. I'll

1243
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: dead down to whatever weight requirements are necessary, because I

1244
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't pass it up. But I said, but only if

1245
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: all of the windows are clear, because a lot of

1246
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: times those they have gone up and the windows get

1247
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: kind of like messed up because of zero gravity and

1248
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,480
Speaker 1: the vacuum outside and the building material.

1249
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 2: Right, was that fascination only from movies? Is that where

1250
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 2: it came from?

1251
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: No, No, that came from I was right, smack dab,

1252
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: and I was that educatable generation for which it was.

1253
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: Space travel was the embodiment of every discipline that we

1254
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: were studying, current events, politics, physics, art, engineering, math. It

1255
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: was all all all wrapped up, all into one. It

1256
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: was on TV TV regularly. I was. I was just

1257
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: I was that the of course, now you're going to

1258
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: think about this, but the idea of being alone in

1259
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: space in a space suit, it was kind of mirroring

1260
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: my life when I was like seven, eight, nine, ten eleven.

1261
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 2: Years Well, yeah, I mean it's I don't know if

1262
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: you saw that movie fly Me to the Moon recently, No,

1263
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 2: I did not.

1264
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's streaming in the new movie economy,

1265
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: so I know it'll be there for a thousand years.

1266
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 2: Yea. I just want to catch fascinating.

1267
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of the conspiracy theory really didn't

1268
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: happen yet. Normally I hate that kind of stuff, but

1269
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: it's good quality people.

1270
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, tru exactly that. I'd love to get your thoughts

1271
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 2: on it when you see it. Yeah, and your other

1272
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: fascination is world wars.

1273
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: Well, this is another thing that goes back to the

1274
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: study of it. Let me put it. Let me put

1275
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: it to you this way. I was born in nineteen

1276
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: fifty six, that's eleven years after the war has done.

1277
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: So essentially everybody who is an adult in my life

1278
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: had memories of those years, whether they went to war

1279
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: or not. They had memories of the what I like

1280
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:14,879
Speaker 1: to call the emotional stasis of the early nineteen forties,

1281
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Speaker 1: in which go back again. They did not know the

1282
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: war was going to end in nineteen forty three. They

1283
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: had no idea how long the war was. Who's going

1284
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: to live, who's going to die, who's going to win,

1285
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: who's going to not, who's not, who's going to come

1286
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: back nineteen forty three. If you're alive, they're not saying, hey,

1287
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. The war is going to be

1288
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: over in just another eighteen months. They don't know that.

1289
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: And that was a palpable thing that was passed on

1290
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: to me because when it came around time to get

1291
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: to know the life stories of a teacher, a friend

1292
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: of my dad's, you know, parents of my pals, they

1293
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: would talk about those years, their youth in three distinctive parts,

1294
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: three acts of their lives, you know, which might have

1295
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: been picking up on because you know, some sort of

1296
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: story since when they were kids. It was before the war,

1297
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: when my dad was in high school. It was before

1298
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: the war, when he was working on a farm, listening

1299
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: to the radio and worried about, you know, not being

1300
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: able to afford the dentist. It was before the war.

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01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: Then there was well that was during the war. It's

1302
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: a whole different storytelling process, the whole different guidelines of

1303
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: the narrative. Well, you have to understand that was during

1304
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 1: the war. That was forty two, was during the war,

1305
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: and their daily life was completely different than what had

1306
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: had been. There was less of things. There was this

1307
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: fear of this unseen enemy, possible attack. There were blackouts,

1308
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: They couldn't get cling peaches, they didn't have birthday cakes

1309
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: as much they had that it was during the war.

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01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: And also I said, well where were you, Oh, well

1311
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: that was during the war. Well where were you, Well,

1312
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: I was in a you know, I was you know

1313
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: was my dad was in the South Pacific. He was

1314
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: a machinist and he would never have been in the

1315
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: South Pacific as a machinery were not for the war.

1316
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: Then the rest of their lives. When we show up,

1317
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, and with this next generation shows up, when

1318
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: their kids show up, all this stuff happened, and again

1319
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: the narrative has completely changed. We have to understand that

1320
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: was after the war. So on one hand there was

1321
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: something to celebrate, but on the other hand, there was

1322
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: guess what. Life became one damn thing after another in

1323
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: a different way than it had been before the war.

1324
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: During and you know the people that you the people

1325
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: who did it well, you know, these storytellers, the teachers,

1326
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: or even the friends of my dads. When we're sitting

1327
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: around and everybody's relaxed on a Thursday night and they're

1328
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: drinking beers, you know, and they're talking about when they're

1329
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: getting to know each other. These the stories from any

1330
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,759
Speaker 1: one of those acts I thought we were fastre were

1331
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: ponderable because as a seven year old, I'm hearing my

1332
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: dad and my mom and other people talk about when

1333
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: they were seven years old with the magnifying glass and

1334
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 1: the division of well, that was before the war. We

1335
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: did not know what was coming down the pipe. Then

1336
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: everything else that goes along with it. I still can't

1337
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: quite get past the fact that in nineteen sixty four,

1338
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: the Beatles are on the Ed Sullivan Show, and my

1339
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: dad is of the generation of just twenty years prior.

1340
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: The war was not yet over and they had no

1341
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: idea when they were ever going to come home. And

1342
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 1: now these four kids are up on there saying yeah, yeah, yeah,

1343
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: and playing guitars and stuff like that. Andybody, everybody's making

1344
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: a big deal about it. Part of it is never

1345
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: saw this coming, never would have never. And in a

1346
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: lot of ways now us younger generation did not have

1347
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: the same attention span for they had what they had

1348
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: been through. I mean until the you know, you can

1349
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: talk about Elvis Presley all you want, rightly, so he

1350
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: was a massive generational force, changed the world a lot

1351
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: of ways. But still VI's a v a World War

1352
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: two generation. The Beatles come along at nineteen sixty four,

1353
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: and it's almost as though the last vessage of that

1354
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: generation carries import you know, has has weight that we

1355
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: can pay attention to, even though I've you know, I've

1356
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,560
Speaker 1: never stopped studying of it, because at the end of

1357
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: the day, it's just great storytelling. You want to talk

1358
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: about great protagonists, antagonists, You want to talk about the

1359
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: irony you want to talk about the schizophrenia of what

1360
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: can happen in good and bad. World War two is

1361
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 1: about as good as you're going to get. And also,

1362
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: here's this other thing that's ridiculously satisfying about it. It ended,

1363
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: there was a time when it was all done. And

1364
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: wars now go on for generations, and they go on

1365
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: for decades, and there are no there are no moments

1366
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: when you know, the swords are pounded into plowshares, not

1367
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: that that happened in you know, one hundred, nineteen forty five.

1368
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems it seems as though, like not that

1369
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 2: it's any comparison with the events that took place, but

1370
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: our language of this generation has become pre pandemic during

1371
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 2: the pandemic abdemic.

1372
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could, you could probably look at it. There

1373
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: was a moment certainly the AIDS crisis came along and

1374
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: the pandemic of the of AIDS that certainly altered all

1375
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: of society in the same way you can talk about it.

1376
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: You could talk to an awful lot of guys who

1377
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: will say, well, you know what I'm saying, that was

1378
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: before AIDS. You know that that means and yeah, you

1379
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: would say the same thing about certainly the COVID pandemic.

1380
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: We went through something that I mean, my look, I

1381
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: got grandkids who are now talking about their lives. Well,

1382
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: that was doing COVID. Yeah, and so they didn't go

1383
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: to school, and they didn't see their friends. They were

1384
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: trying to do things online. It was really different. And

1385
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: now COVID has let go, and guess what now they're

1386
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: just getting on with the rest of the tasks of

1387
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: growing up with their life. So they too, you know,

1388
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: it might be a little young to remember, you know,

1389
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: before COVID, but they do. So. Yeah, so what's going

1390
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: to be next? Do you think what's going to be

1391
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 1: that next three acts structure to our to our collective history.

1392
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 2: Well, as you keep saying, more will be revealed as

1393
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 2: well as.

1394
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: This, Yes, this too shall pass, and more shall be revealed,

1395
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: and we will never all know of everything that we

1396
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: need to know.

1397
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've been seen as the or even in

1398
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 2: a poll, voted the most trusted man in America.

1399
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: That's something. There's an anomaly in the vote taking process.

1400
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: After all the times I've lied to everybody. Oh no,

1401
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: this is a great movie. Yeah, by all means, come

1402
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: see this movie that was a lie? Sometimes?

1403
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 2: How does how do you how do you deal with

1404
01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 2: that kind of movie?

1405
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: Oh? I you know, I don't know, there's there's a yeah, okay,

1406
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, I get it. That's good. I guess that

1407
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: comes around to perhaps the thing that I was talking

1408
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: about countenance wise. You know, if you were going to

1409
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: take somebody who is who's an artist and say who

1410
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: is the scariest person alive? You know, the you'll you'll

1411
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: come off with you know, I don't know, you know,

1412
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: Vincent Price, you know whatever. I'm an artist, I'm a storyteller,

1413
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: and I think I'll take that as as a testament

1414
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: to I guess the veracity that I brought to my craft,

1415
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: my my choice. I'd like to think that, you know,

1416
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: you go all in on a story on and say, hey,

1417
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: sit down, I want you might be interested in hearing

1418
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 1: this is that you're you're this an onyx exchange between

1419
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: myself and the audience, and if it's an honest exchange,

1420
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: then you could come to trust them. You know, that's

1421
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: not about thing. That's not a bad.

1422
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 2: Thing, absolutely, and it's it's quite magical actually, I mean

1423
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: trust in that way. Of course, you know, Hollywood success

1424
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: you've spoken about it so many times, which is why

1425
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 2: we haven't dived into it. And then you know, a happy,

1426
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 2: healthy marriage, And how did you know Rita was the one?

1427
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 2: Like that's you know, how did you know?

1428
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: Uh, divine providence? Uh you know, uh, maybe it's kind

1429
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: of like the same thing that happened when I was

1430
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: in school, uh and in high school, and I said,

1431
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: this can be school. There was a thing with the

1432
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: with the with reader or I just thought, wait, it

1433
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: could be like this, It could be like just sitting

1434
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 1: around that's it could be like a care free union.

1435
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. How about that I had honestly,

1436
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: I had not truly experienced that somehow. And when it's there,

1437
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: you just kind of go, oh, I you know, I

1438
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: you know, i'd like to say. And then you know,

1439
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: and then we met and I said, and you know,

1440
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: and that was that. Okay, yeah, that's pretty much it.

1441
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: Then you get on with it, and you know, years later,

1442
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: no small amount of no small amount of me saying

1443
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: things like, oh, let me get this straight. You know,

1444
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of plenty of plenty of examples of

1445
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: that going on, you know, with so much so that oh,

1446
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: here goes dad, oh, here goes dad. Well, let me

1447
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: get this straight. Why would it work for me? Argument?

1448
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: I pull it out. I pull it out all the time,

1449
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: and you know we we do. She does too. And

1450
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: that's the exchange. Yes, and it's it remains glorious and

1451
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: you're and you can't create it anywhere else. Can't fake that.

1452
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that beautiful acceptance speech that you have in

1453
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty when you talk about how a man is

1454
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 2: blessed with this beautiful family. Oh tears, and.

1455
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: That you know you can't Number one, I am a sap.

1456
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: Number two you don't expect. You think you're going to

1457
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: be able to get up and you know, get away

1458
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: with it some even on I'm going to get it.

1459
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: There'll be some straight shooting. I'll see some great stuff.

1460
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: But then I just you look down and you know,

1461
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: there's my wife, and there's you know, there's you know

1462
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: a combination of all my kids sometimes four or five,

1463
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: you know, they're all just there. And what do you see?

1464
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: I see little babies, you know, and I you know,

1465
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: I you know, I see uh, I see this uh,

1466
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: this woman that has put up with so much stuff,

1467
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 1: and he just life flashes before your eyes. A little bit,

1468
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: and there's that there's that moment of surrealism where it's like,

1469
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: can somebody explain to me how this happened? I'm not

1470
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure.

1471
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 2: And here does the same thing the movie here ah

1472
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: t I E. Yeah, there's a sense of your watching

1473
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 2: your life flash back.

1474
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: What I really loved. Okay, this, I guess we have

1475
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: to be careful about spoiler a little yea, So we

1476
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: don't try.

1477
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: I'm trying.

1478
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: We don't want to go there. But I think that

1479
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: it ends up examining this truth that sometimes life passes

1480
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: in the wink of an eye and it's like, wow,

1481
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 1: are we here already? But there's other times in that

1482
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: same week of an eye, you comprehend it all. And

1483
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: I think that's what the that's what the movie works towards.

1484
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,879
Speaker 1: If I can be so bold, And in many ways

1485
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 1: that was the theme that we were all working towards.

1486
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: And even in the perfectness of just the word it

1487
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: happened here, this is where that happened. Have you been

1488
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: Have you been in like a really super historic place, yes,

1489
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: where something went down. Now, maybe it's something from thousands

1490
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Speaker 1: of years ago, or maybe it's something that you witnessed

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01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: on TV yourself. You go to I could go to

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01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: like Washington, DC and stood on the you know, look,

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01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 1: I made a movie in front of the Lincoln Memorial

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01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: and believe that was happening. And then the years later,

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01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm going back and there is a plaque at the

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Speaker 1: top of the steps of the Lincoln Memorial which is

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01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: where Martin Luther King stood, and I have since gone

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01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 1: back and read about that extraordinary day that did not

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01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: happen by accident. In fact, it was originally going to

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01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: be a protest, it was going to be a sit in,

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01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: and the powers that be all got together said, rather

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01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: than make it a protest of a sit in, make

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01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: it a march. And suddenly also things happened, like there

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01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: were plenty of bathrooms lined up, there were sandwiches that

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01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,919
Speaker 1: was made for people, there were social services, there were cops,

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01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: there were army men standing by ready in case it

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01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: was going to be a riot. And in nineteen sixty

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01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:51,480
Speaker 1: four or sixty three, a riot was definitely a possibility.

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01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: It would have been a massive amount of civilic unrest.

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01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 1: And instead it was all of these speakers. Marlon Brando

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01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: was there for Charlton Heston was there along with everybody else,

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01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 1: and Martin Luther King was everybody who could only speak

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01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,560
Speaker 1: for seven minutes because they did not want it to

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01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: run over and become unruly. So every everybody who spoke

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01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: spoke for seven minutes, and that includes the Reverend doctor

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01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King. And there's a reason that plaque is

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01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 1: that that plaque is there in order to in order

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01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: to place it and to be there and say that,

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01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: then just envision every powerful place, powerful, powerful, spiritual.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are there other places you've been to like that?

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01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 2: We've revisited multiple times to decode and discover and.

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01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: Uhh yeah, I'll tell you. I'll tell you one who

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01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: cares what I said on other podcasts. When we when

1524
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: we were doing I Believe or Not, when we were

1525
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, because I was making Philadelphia kids were you know,

1526
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: I uh are only had three kids there and some

1527
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: of them were with us and we were it was

1528
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: a freezing cold day. We had a day off, so

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01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: we went and saw the sides, including it depends Hall,

1530
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: Liberty Bell. You know a whole bit. What are you

1531
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: going to do in Philadelphia? You're going to go do that,

1532
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: You're going to see the Liberty Bell you're going to

1533
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: go and Independence Hall being a famous place, and it's

1534
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: still in the same joint and it still holds the

1535
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: same you know, dimensional structure to it. You know, maybe

1536
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: a lot of everything it might have been, you know, recreated,

1537
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: but nonetheless there it is. And we were up in

1538
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: the Senate building and the Senate room, you know, because

1539
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: it had Congress, the Supreme Court and the Senate right there.

1540
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: And we were there and the the it's a national park.

1541
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 1: And the ranger said, if you look at all of

1542
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 1: this stuff as reproductions except that chair, you know, which

1543
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: is the original chair. It said, wow, it looked the same.

1544
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: It looked like a chair to me. So said that chair,

1545
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: that's an original chair and looked exactly like the same.

1546
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,480
Speaker 1: Is that all this other stuff had been recreated to

1547
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: to the best of its authenticity. And it's a riser

1548
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: there and he said that spot in front of in

1549
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,719
Speaker 1: front of the that the dais John Adams was sworn

1550
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: in as the second President of the United States, taking

1551
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: the place of George Washington. Was the first time in

1552
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: recorded history when the rule of a sovereign nation was

1553
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: passed to another without bloodshed, and him not being a relation,

1554
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: said something like that, and the head I said, we

1555
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: are in holy ground. Nobody died, the king is dead,

1556
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: long lived the king. No one was murdered, butchered. The

1557
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 1: hordes didn't come in and take away. No one was

1558
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: passing it on to his son in order to go on.

1559
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: There was no relation between John Adams and George Washington.

1560
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 1: The only thing that happened was this modicum of a

1561
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 1: thing they called democracy, which wasn't really democracy. I mean,

1562
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: women couldn't vote. If you were a slave, you were

1563
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,759
Speaker 1: only three fifths of the human being. The only people

1564
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: that actually voted were a bunch of white men property

1565
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: owners who originally didn't want to pay their taxes to

1566
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: the to the crown. But look, look, look what happened there.

1567
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean I I you know, I've been you know,

1568
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: plenty of cool joints in it, but they're they're this idea,

1569
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:10,480
Speaker 1: not unlike the place where Martin Luther King's. The idea

1570
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: that was communicated right there was tantamount to being in

1571
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, some version of the Holies, A Holies, you know,

1572
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,719
Speaker 1: a precious shrine, a place of great faith and hope.

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Speaker 2: I mean, speaking to that impact, you received honorary Greek citizenship.

1574
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for I got a passport for your amazing work.

1575
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 4: Then well yeah, yeah, look, we just love you know,

1576
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 4: we love Greece and you know it is the home

1577
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 4: country to to my wife's family, and well you can do.

1578
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: This is something that that we do and that are

1579
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,839
Speaker 1: doing Greece. You know, you go off to some other island,

1580
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 1: you're swimming somewhere, you're on a boat and you can

1581
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: kind of like pivot and all you see is land,

1582
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: sea and sky. There's no sign of humanity. And this

1583
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: is exactly what it's looked like for one hundred and

1584
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: ten thousand years. You know, this is exactly what this

1585
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: island was here in this exact same force. And by

1586
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: the way, there's a port right there, which was you know,

1587
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: a place of antiquity or that. But to be able

1588
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 1: to look at something that is on scarred exactly as

1589
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: it was, it's like looking at primordial force, like going

1590
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: back in time. And you see this aspect of the

1591
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: sky and the wind and the aridness of it, but

1592
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 1: the power of you know, a ship in order to

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01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:38,879
Speaker 1: get there. I've done that. You know any number of places,

1594
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, great historical places like that, and it ends

1595
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,440
Speaker 1: up It makes you feel really really teeny tiny. Sometimes

1596
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,560
Speaker 1: it's like who are we? But you know, specs in

1597
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: the course of all of this is like standing under

1598
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, a big, massive sky and finally seeing on

1599
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: a really super dark night, the you know, our galaxy

1600
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: or the Milky Way are so system and like, wow,

1601
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 1: I haven't been out of town for a while. I

1602
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: forgot how big that sky is and that that's a

1603
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: part of this. It's important to.

1604
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 2: Go through that, so important, so important.

1605
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a solar eclipse?

1606
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 2: I'm sure i've kind of, but not I'm not.

1607
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: Yes, not the last one, but the one prior to it.

1608
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: We made sure that we were in the path of

1609
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: totality and we saw it, and oh my god, it

1610
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 1: you I cannot talk. No special effect in any movie

1611
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 1: has ever had the same impact or effect on anybody

1612
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: who takes a look at what that is. You feel

1613
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: as though you are witnessing got the you know, the

1614
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: clockworks of God, and it's they can predict it, they

1615
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 1: know what it's going to be, and every step of

1616
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: it is you cannot fathom what you were seeing. And

1617
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: it made me feel in one hand, it made us

1618
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: all feel one hand, really super tiny, but at the

1619
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 1: other hand, magnificent because we're a race that knew when

1620
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: it was coming and could predict it, could make sure

1621
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: where there was. She was really marvel was that when

1622
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: you read it there was like these paths. You know,

1623
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: you can look at it on a map, but we

1624
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: just made sure that we were up in the panhandle

1625
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: of Idaho in order in order to take a look

1626
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,919
Speaker 1: at people were just parking their cars willy nilly everywhere

1627
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: in order to be They were driving from you know,

1628
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: hundreds of miles on either side of it in order

1629
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: to get to this very specific path of totality. And

1630
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: it is man it is. It is a totally immersive experience.

1631
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: Don't miss it if you can.

1632
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 2: Okay, next one, Tom. It has been such a joy

1633
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 2: spending time with you today. I feel so grateful to

1634
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 2: have been able to hear stories, be taken on adventures,

1635
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 2: and learn life's lessons.

1636
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: Mind just a delightful conversation I've learned. I've loved hearing

1637
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 1: about your history. You know how you got for the

1638
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 1: oldest boy of a what is it a fractured rriage

1639
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: between Indian Indian mom and dad. You've I think you've

1640
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 1: done well in your in your pursuit.

1641
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm very grateful. We end every On Purpose

1642
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 2: episode with a final five. These have to be answered

1643
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 2: in one word to one sentence maximum.

1644
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: One word to one sentence back, yeah, which I will

1645
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 1: probably be.

1646
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 2: I will probably break the rules, So don't worry if

1647
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 2: you do. Okay, But Tom Hanks, these are your final five.

1648
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 2: The first question is what is the best advice you've

1649
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 2: ever heard or received?

1650
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Throw deep, baby?

1651
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 2: And why?

1652
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 1: If you're going to do it, do it. If you

1653
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 1: have the chance, do it. Don't pause the instinct. Man,

1654
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 1: If you got an instinct, go at it, throw deep.

1655
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 2: I love that second question, what is the worst life

1656
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 2: advice you've ever heard or received?

1657
01:31:55,479 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 1: Do fantasy Island. I didn't take it, but there's no

1658
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: reason to do fantasy island.

1659
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 2: That's great. Question number three, how would you define your

1660
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 2: current purpose?

1661
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:13,919
Speaker 1: To be present wherever one is, whoever is one around,

1662
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 1: be present, be right there, show up, be present because

1663
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: that will teach you. Then I think how the difference

1664
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 1: between telling the truth to the best of your understanding

1665
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: and being all right with what happens next. If you

1666
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: can't do that, your life is going to be a

1667
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 1: wasted opportunity. If that makes sense. Question number four, are

1668
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 1: you making these up as you go alonger?

1669
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, okay, every single question of

1670
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 2: us today. What's something you believe you're learning and evolving

1671
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 2: into right now or something that you're tinkering with right now?

1672
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:07,719
Speaker 1: Personally, there is an addictive quality to examining the past

1673
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: that can be counterproductive if you're only doing it in

1674
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 1: order to wallow in a nostalgia of how easy things

1675
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 1: were back then. I fancy myself a lay historian. I

1676
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 1: vanity of vanity. All is vanity. There's nothing new under

1677
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: the sun. Okay, So this stuff has been going on forever.

1678
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 1: If you are not looking, if I am not looking

1679
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: for examples of the frailties of the human condition, if

1680
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: I am only looking at the past in a version

1681
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: of there was an antagonist and there was a protagonist,

1682
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: and the protagonist one missing the point of how miraculous

1683
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:56,639
Speaker 1: the human condition is. If you're going to I went

1684
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 1: to Egypt, and I saw all the stuff that tourists went.

1685
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: They see Egypt, right, And if you're going to Egypt

1686
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 1: in order to come up with some oh this is

1687
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: the home of great spirituality? Is there is a cosmic

1688
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: power here and this is where Okay, fine, go ahead.

1689
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you that's not what's going on.

1690
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 1: But if you're not also seeing this ongoing friggin mystery

1691
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 1: of what humankind has figured out on its own, you're

1692
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: missing out. You know, there is, Yes, they call them

1693
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: the great Pyramids. They weren't necessarily built for great reasons.

1694
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're just built in order to maintain the status

1695
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: quo of the halves and the have nots. When I

1696
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: heard a guy say the Sphinx, you know, the Great Sphinx.

1697
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: You could have been alive two thousand years after the

1698
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 1: Great Sphinx was built, and you're still in Pharaoic Egypt.

1699
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 1: It's still before the Common Era begins. And guess what,

1700
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: you and nobody else has any idea who built the Sphinx.

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01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: That's how old it is, and that it's bailed as

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01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 1: well as it And if you don't take that and understand, like, man,

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01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: there's mystery there. Who did it, How they did it?

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01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: That stuff's always interesting, but why they did it that's

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01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: interesting too. But also that incredible impact of that the

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01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: Sphinx will never be explained. If you're just there for

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01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 1: the nostalgia union. I don't want to ride the camel,

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01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: get your picture. You can do all that stuff, and

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01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 1: that's a blast, but there's something to the past that

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01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: if you allow yourself just to be soothed by it,

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01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 1: you're missing out in a great life, lesson something of

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Speaker 1: that is important as physics or.

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Speaker 2: Poetry so powerful. Why do you think we do that?

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01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: I think because we're looking for a We want to

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01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: feel good about going to sleep at night, you know,

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01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 1: we want to feel as though that there is this

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01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 1: that there is this purpose that outside I think, aside

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01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 1: the color of cosmic understanding that hey, you know what,

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01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:15,839
Speaker 1: you know, the universe is indifferent, but the human condition

1720
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: is not. That's what separates us from you know, you know,

1721
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: the chaos theory. We don't have to live in chaos

1722
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 1: if we choose not to, and if we're only looking

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01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 1: at the past in order for some degree of Oh,

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01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,719
Speaker 1: we're so much easier back then. No, it's never been easier.

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01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 1: As I said before, you know, no one knows that

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01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: they're living. They're living in the fourteen hundreds. They were

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01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 1: just live back then. And it might be high falutin,

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01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 1: but what it says is, oh, I'll tell you this.

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01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,639
Speaker 1: What it says is our best days are yet to come.

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01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 1: We are going to progress from here. And if you're

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01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 1: just looking at the pass and saying, man, that was

1732
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 1: when it was great. I wish we could go back. No,

1733
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 1: you never want to go back. You always have to

1734
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 1: understand that our best days are still ahead of us. Otherwise,

1735
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 1: what's that say of us if we don't move forward?

1736
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:11,679
Speaker 1: It says we gave up or got lazy, or ended

1737
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: up putting too much power in maintaining a status quo

1738
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: that ends up being a division between the halves and

1739
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 1: the half dots.

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01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:25,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, said fifth and final question. We asked this

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01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 2: to every guest who's ever been on the show. If

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01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 2: you could create one law that everyone in the world

1743
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 2: had to follow, what would it be?

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01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: Man, you spring this on me. You really, I'm looking

1745
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 1: at a wall of shame of people that your polaroids,

1746
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: of people that have been they all came up with

1747
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 1: something for that. They did one law that everybody had

1748
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: to follow, a law meaning you could be punished if

1749
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 1: you don't obey this law. Sure well, it can't be

1750
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: like a philosophical thing like be kind, you know, being

1751
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,759
Speaker 1: kind as in the eye of the both the kinder

1752
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: and the kind e. I would pass a law that says,

1753
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: no one is allowed to infringe your prom the right

1754
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:29,599
Speaker 1: in regards to what somebody else reads. That is, no

1755
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: matter how disagreement, whatever that disagreement is. To be free

1756
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 1: is to think, And the most physical manifestation of thought

1757
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 1: is in the choosing of what you read. So I

1758
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: would say that no one is allowed to infringe upon

1759
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 1: the right to determine up figure out what the legal point.

1760
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 1: No one is allowed to infringe upon the right of

1761
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 1: an individual to read what they choose to read. That

1762
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: would be mine, That would be the law. Now take

1763
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,560
Speaker 1: a look at all the societies. You know I'm fascinated

1764
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: by I'm fascinated by communism, man, because those guys were idiots,

1765
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, they truly were. And the idea that in

1766
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: East Berlin you cannot read, you cannot read to kill

1767
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: a mockingbird, or or you know any any or doctor

1768
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: Shivago for crying out loud. The idea that you can

1769
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 1: maintain order in society by preventing somebody from reading what

1770
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 1: they want to read. This is madness. This is tyrancy

1771
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: in it, This is this is this is draconian. What's

1772
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 1: the word I'm looking at that? That's despotism and its

1773
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 1: absolute height that you can do that. And I think

1774
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: on the opposite that absolute freedom to read what you

1775
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 1: want to read along? Would that create what you want

1776
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 1: to create as well? That should be the default position

1777
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 1: of the human condition? And is it an amazing that

1778
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 1: it's so?

1779
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 2: That would be the law I would powerful unique and

1780
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 2: completely original answers worth waiting for.

1781
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: Well as an author, you know, as a guy who writes.

1782
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 1: I'll bow to that.

1783
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 2: Tom, Thank you so much.

1784
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,679
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much. Oh it's great.

1785
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure that I can't wait for everyone to

1786
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 2: go and watch here on November four.

1787
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, we'll pay that. Oh yes, God. Now,

1788
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: by the way, you can only see it in the theater.

1789
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: We okay, here's the thing, this is why this is

1790
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 1: one I crack Staff is so petrified. There is no

1791
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 1: streaming deal for this movie. You know, you you you're

1792
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 1: not going to be able to you know, log on,

1793
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: enter your past code, you know, share it with your

1794
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: friends and are they the only way you're gonna You're

1795
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to drive to a place and buy a

1796
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 1: ticket at a certain time and sit in a room

1797
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 1: with a bunch of strangers. I love it, and watch

1798
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: this movie. It's almost unheard of. And of course everybody

1799
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: is petrified that that's going to be the requirements of

1800
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 1: seeing a movie. But that's the way it's going to be.

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01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 2: I love it. This is still one of my favorite experiences.

1802
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's the you know, uh not to canntinue

1803
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 1: along with. But this is thing that we talk about

1804
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:04,680
Speaker 1: all the time right now, and I actually believe that

1805
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 1: podcasts can be an example of it. It is the

1806
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 1: experienial economy, meaning that it is one thing. Look, everything

1807
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 1: is a one on one. You listen to a record,

1808
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 1: you see a band, but the experience of being with

1809
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: others as opposed to be in your house or being

1810
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: on your headphones or being like that, being with others

1811
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 1: has a value to it that in some cases is

1812
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: worth money. Okay, that's commerce, but on other cases is

1813
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 1: to be sought. After my wife and I went to

1814
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: see a play in New York. It was a revival

1815
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 1: of Into the Woods, and it was more or less

1816
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 1: right after the pandemic. Theaters were back opening again. People

1817
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,599
Speaker 1: were essentially living their lives again. There'd been enough, you know,

1818
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 1: everybody gotten enough vaccines and what have you, and COVID

1819
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 1: wasn't killing as many people as it had. And so

1820
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 1: we went to the theater we had, we knew some

1821
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 1: people in it, and it was here's this thing happened.

1822
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's a theater, mumbled everybody, blah blah blah.

1823
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: It sold out, big hit and mumble, mumble mumble. And

1824
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:18,520
Speaker 1: when the house lights went to half for the first act,

1825
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 1: there was a standing ovation. People stood up before a word,

1826
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 1: before a note had been sung, nothing had happened on

1827
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: the What was happening was the show is about to start,

1828
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 1: and it was a standing ovation. And I literally said,

1829
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 1: that's that's the experience. People are reacting to the experience

1830
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 1: of being with strangers or a handful of friends with

1831
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 1: strangers in a room and nothing. What is going to

1832
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 1: happen in this room will never be repeated. The only

1833
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 1: people that will participate in this is the folks that

1834
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: are here right now. And movies oftentimes can have that

1835
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 1: same experience because I can remember going to see two

1836
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: thousand and one or Jaws or Close Encounters of the

1837
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 1: or Aliens or you know, or Full Metal Jacket. I

1838
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 1: can remember the specifics of all those things, and it's

1839
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 1: the same experiential experience. And maybe it's maybe it's part

1840
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 1: of the economy, or maybe it's just part of the

1841
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 1: great human purchase that we all want to win on

1842
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: to participate in.

1843
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 2: For sure, Thank you, Tom, thank you, thank you pleasure.

1844
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it.

1845
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 2: If you love this episode, you love my interview with

1846
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 2: Will Smith on owning your truth and unlocking the power

1847
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:30,480
Speaker 2: of manifestation.

1848
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 1: Anybody who hasn't spoken to their parents or their brother,

1849
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 1: call them right now. Don't think you're going to have

1850
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 1: a chance to call them tomorrow or next week.

1851
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 2: That opportunity with my father changed every relationship in my life.