1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside of reclining Lance, Lynn, Matt Holliday, Kyle 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: Gibson also with us. Lance probably a little bit upset 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: because we started the podcast and it was a false 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: start because someone called and knocked me off the broadcast. 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: Hopefully everything is straightened out. Hello, gentlemen, how's everybody doing? 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: Really good? Good Jim? Just so you know, Jim, we 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: just had our first taste of the intro of the 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 2: show without you, and it kind of was gold took 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: a shot Golden Globe black. He took a shot at 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: the lack of a Golden Globe nomination, and I think 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: we just figured out how we might be able to 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: get one and listen, I don't. 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: Want to air our dirty laundry. I did say on 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: Twitter that we might have won the Golden Globe for 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: podcasting if Kyle was a little better, but we all 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: have to pick up our games. 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, about whatever. 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: Do they announce a Golden Globe or stuff like this 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: on the Golden Globes. 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: Yes, they had a category for podcasting. 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 4: Who won? 23 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: Uh? 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: Some podcast I never heard of. It wasn't a j 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: Prezenski for foul territory. 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 4: See that's your bars, that's all of our boss. 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: Right. We're on his We are on his platform is 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: to get all right, so we better get to it 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: or we're going to get mean emails from aj Prezenski. 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: We do have a cardinal move to talk about. They 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: did sign veteran reliever Ryan Stanek to a one year 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: deal three point five million with a club option. Saint 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: Louis native born in Saint Louis. Last year rough one 34 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: with the Mats. Gets lots of strikeouts ten point four 35 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: per nine innings in his career and excellent postseason numbers. 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: So when I look at that, he's a guy they 37 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: could use in a bullpen now as a piece. He's 38 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: also a guy that seems if you're not in contention, 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: you probably could get something for flipping Matt. You weren't 40 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: here last week. Just your thoughts on the Cardinals signing. 41 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is one of those deals where, 42 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: like you said, you know, you take some of these 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: these uh, these bullpen pieces, and they tend to go 44 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: in cycles. Right, they have a good year and then 45 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: sometimes they have a down year, and then they recent 46 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: they rebound and have a really good year. I think 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 3: he's a candidate for a rebound of a really good year. 48 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: And like you're talking about, these are the kind of 49 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: signings where, uh, if you're not competing and the deadline 50 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: closes in, you can flip him for a minor league prospect, 51 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 3: probably a minor league pitching prospect. 52 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: And so these are these are these You. 53 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: Know, three point five million is nothing on this payroll. Uh, 54 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: So you get a guy that throws a hundred mile 55 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: an hour that strikes people out that if he kind 56 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: of gets his stuff back together and and uh and 57 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 3: goes out and has a fairly dominating season. Uh, he's 58 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: the kind of guy you trade at the deadline and 59 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: and you continue to build your farm system and add 60 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: ad pieces uh for the next few years. So I 61 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: like these kind of signings. If you're not going for it, 62 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: I like, I like, I like these type of signings. 63 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: And these are these are these are another plus another 64 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: way for player acquisition. You know, when you start talking 65 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: about the draft, international signings, and then you you know, 66 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: you start to sign one year free agent deals and 67 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: then and you trade them for prospects. So I like it. 68 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that it's as necessarily a 69 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: Neil mover as far as wins and losses with the 70 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: Cardinals go, But I certainly think it could potentially end them, 71 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: end up with them getting a piece that they can 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: use moving forward. 73 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: Now, Lamps, you were a guy that the Cardinals quietly 74 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: reached out to about being a piece of the bullpen 75 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: last year. This is part of the reset, isn't it. 76 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 77 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 5: I mean you're looking at a guy that probably had 78 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 5: a bad year because you know, the medsine and all 79 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 5: honestly over used their bulk because they had you. 80 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: But really, I love it. 81 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: I love it. 82 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 4: Good lord. 83 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 5: But I think he's I think he's a good piece, 84 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 5: and I think a rebound year is good for a 85 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 5: guy with his stuff and what he's done, and he's 86 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 5: kind of found himself into these one year deals and 87 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 5: getting traded to contenders at deadline, so he's got a 88 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 5: place to pitch it and really help a young Wulfan. 89 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a good fit all the 90 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 4: way around. 91 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Then, Kyle, you always talk about the ability to flip 92 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: a guy at the deadline. That's that's currency unto itself. 93 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's one of those 94 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: moves that if your team overperforms a little bit and 95 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: puts you in a good spot around the deadline, then 96 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: you know, maybe he's somebody that's a reason why you 97 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: guys are having a better year and you hold on 98 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: to him, or you know, you spend the two thirds 99 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: of the season on salary and essentially you know, buy 100 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: your prospects, you know, by paying that part of the salary. 101 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: You know, I am not a fan of the idea 102 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 2: that you sign a guy to trade him. I'm assuming 103 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: there is some value here that you know he can 104 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: add to the bullpen as as a veteran and doing 105 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: that and then you know, hopefully the young guys take 106 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: the step and you're talking about keeping him, and you're 107 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: talking about him adding to the leverage situation and the 108 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: leverage innings for this team. I think we all know 109 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 2: what a good bullpen can do for a team. And 110 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: I think if you're gonna throw out some young starters 111 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: and you're gonna have maybe a rotation that is not 112 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: as experienced, then you know, having extra quality bullpen arms 113 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: is a way that you're going to have to bolster that. 114 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: So meantime, gentlemen, the Cubs, I seem to be bulking 115 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: up a little bit right You look at the moves 116 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: that they've already made it the they trade for Cabrera, 117 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: they signed Mayton, and they just signed Alex Bragman to 118 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: a really big contract. The one thing that strikes me 119 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: about this, outside of the Cubs obviously going all in Matt, 120 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: is that, okay, so Bragman's off the board Cardinals sure 121 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: like traydon with the with the Red Sox. Uh, does 122 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: that open a path? Do you think that that's inevitable 123 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: that there could be something there? You got Arnatto, you 124 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: got Donovan. There have been rumors swirling before. 125 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I look, I think it just as 126 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: it depends on how young the Red Sox are ready 127 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 3: to go. You know, I think they have you know, 128 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: his name is slipping my mind right now. 129 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 4: But they have. 130 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: They have a young infielder, left hand hitter. Last year 131 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 3: that came up. He's one of their top prospects in 132 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: all of baseball. I think he got hurt and ended 133 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: up missing maybe the last month or two. 134 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: I don't know why. 135 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: I can't think of his name, but anyway, I think 136 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: he's a potential candidate to slide into third base. Uh, 137 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: but I do. 138 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 139 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: Look, I mean, if the Red Sox are going for it, 140 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: trying to win the World Series, they looking to replace 141 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: a veteran, you know, if you've got Alex Bregman and 142 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: you're looking to replace a fellow veteran third baseman. And 143 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: and I think Nolan's out power production and I think 144 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: his overall offensive production at Finway Park I think would 145 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: go up. And I think that that's somewhere he wants 146 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: to be, somewhere that that uh, he certainly would would 147 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: approve a trade to. So uh, it certainly enhances I 148 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: think the the idea that he could end up in 149 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: in in Boston with Alex sonning in Chicago. Uh. So 150 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see what happens. But yeah, I mean, 151 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: I think you look at the Cubs, they seem to 152 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: be trending back towards you know, the Cubs that we 153 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: remember when we were playing when when when they're going 154 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: for it, and and they're they're back, uh, looking to 155 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: to take that next step and and try to win 156 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: the World Series. 157 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: So he's uh. 158 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: I just actually was. 159 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: Just around him for four or five days in Arizona, 160 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: and he's he's uh, you know, Bregman is a full 161 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: of energy, great with the young players, really good in 162 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: the clubhouse. Uh So it's gonna be a great, great 163 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: ad for the Cubs. And and you know, like I said, 164 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: it looks to me like they are heading heading towards 165 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: trying to to really try to go for it again. 166 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: So that's what the Cubs are doing. Lance In terms 167 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: of what the Cardinals are doing, uh right, we're seeing 168 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: what they're doing. They are certainly looking toward the future 169 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: with the moves they made because they even increased their 170 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: their rating, and in terms of the minor leaguers with 171 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: the guys they've added with young talent. But that's a 172 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: far different path than the Cubs are taken. 173 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the Cubs were there a couple of 174 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 5: years ago though, so you're in the same boat. Divisions 175 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 5: go in waves of things like that. The Cardinals will 176 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 5: put themselves in a good spot in the minor leagues 177 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 5: to see what they have, what positions they need to fill, 178 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 5: you know, kind of what you're you know, your your 179 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 5: two to three year window looks like now what you 180 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 5: have coming. But when it comes to that too, you 181 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 5: got to figure out who on the market could help 182 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 5: that window, uh kind of help when those guys show 183 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 5: up that they have people that can help them, help 184 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 5: win games and also help develop at the big league level. 185 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 5: So I think they're in a in a kind of 186 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 5: a weird spot right now where you have a lot 187 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 5: of young guys that with not a lot of veteran guys. 188 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 5: Especially if you lose Aeronauto at the trade deadline or 189 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 5: if you trade him this winter and stuff like that, 190 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 5: you're looking at a whole lineup of young. 191 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 4: People that are not established. 192 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 5: So you know, what can you find to help supplement 193 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 5: the every day in and out of being a big leader, 194 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 5: but also guys that can put up production that can 195 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 5: also help put those guys in spots to succeeds. So 196 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 5: there's a lot of different ways you can still put 197 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 5: a product that can win on the field and still 198 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 5: be rebuilding the retooling or whatever they're doing, because they 199 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 5: do have the money. It's not like they're short on money. 200 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 5: I think their payroll is going to be somewhere in 201 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 5: the one hundred to one twenty range, especially if they 202 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 5: get rid of Aeronauto and you're looking at, you know, 203 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 5: a spot where you can add big league pieces to 204 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 5: what do you have a young core of position players 205 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 5: to do these things to where you can where you 206 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 5: can make people. I mean, Milwaukee's done it every year technically, 207 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: so things like that are very doable. So we'll see, 208 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 5: you know, what route they take, why they're developing these 209 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 5: guys that are that they're acquiring in trades. 210 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: Kyle, do you see that Bregman going to the Cubs 211 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: does open up up the possibility of a path for 212 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: a deal with the Cardinals? Do you think that that 213 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: is a good possibility of happening. 214 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: I think there's two parts of this that are really 215 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: interesting to meet. One had a really fun interaction this 216 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: morning with a fan on on social media that you know, 217 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: I just made the comment last week about Aeronauta being 218 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: an asset, and we just kind of talked a little 219 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: bit about his game. And I think it's really interesting 220 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: that Cardinals fans somewhat see him as a fading non 221 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: average or above average big leaguer and a team that 222 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: is going for it is going to add him to 223 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: be the third basement. I just want to let that 224 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: sink in a little bit. I think that's a point 225 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: that shouldn't be overlooked. So who knows if he's going 226 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 2: to get trade or ware. But the Boston Red Sox 227 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: going for the World Series could be a suitor and 228 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: they want no one Aeronauta at third base, So he's 229 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: an important player for whoever he's going to play for. 230 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: I think the other interesting thing going to the Cubs 231 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: is that the Milwaukee Brewers have kind of had the 232 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: effect on the NL Central in my mind that the 233 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Rays have had on the NL on the 234 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: Al East. 235 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 4: Right. 236 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 2: So the Tampa bay Rays maybe not as much the 237 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: last two years, but they really forced the Yankees and 238 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: the Blue Jays to spend more money to be able 239 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 2: to beat them and to feel like they could keep 240 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 2: up with them and you know, overtake them in October 241 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: and or September to win the division. And now you 242 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: see teams like Chicago trading for starting pitching, signing extra players, 243 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: and bolstering a team that already has a high payroll, 244 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: making sure they feel like they have zero holes in 245 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: that roster because I'm guessing in their mind, that's what 246 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: they think they need in order to win this division. 247 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: It's just really interesting that a team like the Brewers 248 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: and how they've structured that team with a lower pay roll. 249 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: You know, Pat Murphy doing a great job up there, 250 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: you know, getting those guys to play together and have 251 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: the right complimentary pieces. I think it's interesting how those 252 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: kind of teams have an effect on divisions in the 253 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: division races. 254 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: And while the Brewers are not doing too much, I 255 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: mean they've been kind of quiet compared to the Cubs. 256 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: They're going to go about it in the Brewer fashion. 257 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: There is sort of the elephant in the room as 258 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: teams try to figure out how much money they have 259 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: to make the moves, and that's the broadcast rights, which 260 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: will impact me one way or the other, hopefully for 261 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: the better. But Matt, if you're a general manager and 262 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: you don't know if you're going to get this much 263 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: money from a fan duel or an unknown amount from MLB, 264 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: because MLB is gonna end up taking over the broadcast 265 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: rights of some of these teams. And MLB's practice is 266 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: we'll get all the advertising together and we'll figure out 267 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: what your cut is. So there's nothing definitive about here's 268 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: the set amounts you're gonna get. You're gonna have to 269 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 1: just roll with it. Don't you think that's going to 270 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: impact some teams. 271 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: Yes, I think it impacts the teams where Look, there's 272 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 3: there's owners out there that this does not impact, right, 273 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: they don't care. 274 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 4: They have money. 275 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: They look at this like they want to win at 276 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: all costs if they're even if they have to take 277 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: a little bit of a loss annually, so to speak, 278 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: if you're if you're losing money this year. I think 279 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 3: there's there's tons of well not tons of but I 280 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: think there's a lot of owners that that see the 281 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 3: bigger picture, and a lot of them that have owned 282 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: their teams for a while. I think they can look 283 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: at the value of when they bought the team or 284 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: how much they have invested it in the team ownership, 285 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: and then what they could sell it for if they 286 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: put it on the market today, and how much these 287 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: organizations and these sports teams are selling for and and so, Yeah, 288 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 3: she might be in the red this year, but if 289 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: you look at the big picture, your investment is probably 290 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: ten x your investment probably more depending on. 291 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 4: How long you've owned these teams. 292 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: So I always think about it like that, like how 293 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: competitive are you as an owner? Are you willing to 294 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: lose a little bit now based on the fact that 295 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: you're not sure about your TV contract uh and how 296 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: much exact money you're gonna have You're gonna have revenue 297 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: sharing for a lot of these teams. So I think 298 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: there's several several ways to look at this. I do 299 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: think the the impending ending of the the collective barting agreement, UH, 300 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 3: the potential of a workstoppage, the the TV contracts, I 301 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: think this does muddle the waters for a lot of owners. 302 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: And what they're there certainty is on their cost and 303 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: how much they're willing to spend in free agency and 304 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: how much they're willing to to to gamble on on 305 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 3: on certain things. But I I just still go back 306 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 3: to the fact that there's there's there's competitive owners that 307 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: want to win the World Series, and they have they 308 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: have the money, they have the I think they they 309 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 3: look at it like more of a long term investment 310 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: to where it these values of these organize, these sports 311 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: organizations continue to just go up more and more to 312 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: where you see even small market teams selling for in 313 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: the billions and and most of these owners probably bought 314 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: in in the hundreds of millions. And so I'm not 315 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: a like a you know, obviously, I think everyone knows 316 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: I just have a high school education. 317 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: But I I look. 318 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: At like, you know, I'm guessing that these owners can 319 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: can figure out that if they ever needed to sell 320 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: the organization, Uh, they would do pretty handsomely on the 321 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: on the trade for what what they paid for it. 322 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: Because no Major League Baseball team, probably no NFL team 323 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: or NBA team either has lost value. It's never happened. 324 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: The value always goes up and up and up. If 325 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: you were an owner, Lancelin, would that impact the way 326 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: you would handle the off season. 327 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 4: Your TV rights are? 328 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 5: You're kind of like, hey, I think that a lot 329 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 5: of markets look at them that's kind of my bottom 330 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 5: line of hey, here's my yearly spending and stuff like that. 331 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 5: But for me, when you're looking at a market like 332 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 5: the Cardinals, they're always been tied to their ticket sales. 333 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 5: I feel like, and right now it's like ticket sales 334 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 5: are not where they are because you're not showing me 335 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 5: that you're going for anything. So until they get ticket 336 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 5: sales back up, they're going to be in this boat. 337 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 5: And the only way to get ticket sales back up 338 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 5: is to show your show you're going for it, or 339 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 5: you're showing that you're you know, you're trying to improve 340 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 5: your big league roster somewhere or some you know, somehow, 341 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 5: So you know, TV rights are what they are. I 342 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 5: think we know what's coming in the sense of there's 343 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 5: some things brewing of TV rights coming and you're seeing 344 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 5: them kind of all. I think everything's based on the 345 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 5: next CBA, And I don't think Manford wants to put 346 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 5: anything on the books until the new CBA is in 347 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 5: because then the players can't ask for it when they're 348 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 5: trying to do what they're trying to do. So this 349 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 5: whole holding pattern is based on them holding their cards 350 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 5: as tight as they can until the new CBA gets in, 351 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 5: and then we're gonna have all new inflex of TV 352 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 5: deals because we've already seen the writing on the wall. 353 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 4: This is happening. So and the owners know this. 354 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 5: So every owner that's not spending any money right now 355 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 5: knows what's coming and they know when they're gonna spend it. 356 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: And so some. 357 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 5: People will call that collusion or you know, but you know, 358 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 5: some people might not. You know, especially if you're on 359 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 5: a team, you're not gonna call that collusion. You're just like, 360 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 5: it's just a business. But that's where we're at right 361 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 5: now teams that are there's certain teams that are going 362 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 5: for it because they don't care, and there's certain teams 363 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 5: are like, all right, well I'm gonna wait to the 364 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 5: new TV money comes in. So I'm always even and 365 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 5: rich people aren't rich because they give it away either. 366 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 4: I'm just throwing that out there. 367 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: I would say we all agree that the most important 368 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: thing with a television contract is that you have consistent, 369 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: high level sideline reporting. But aside from that, Kyle, just 370 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: your sense of where this is because it's like uncharted territory, 371 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: not only for the sports industry, for the teams involved with, 372 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, getting their games televised. We haven't seen anything 373 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: like the uncertainty we're seeing right now with a lot 374 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: of teams. 375 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Lance brings up a really 376 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 2: interesting point. You know, we hear for the last two 377 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: years how the game is just getting stronger and stronger 378 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: and there's never been more fans in the seats, which 379 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 2: is true, there's never been more fans watching on TV 380 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: eyes with the WBC, Baseball in and of itself is 381 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: in a very healthy state. So it's quite interesting that 382 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: we can't find TV networks that will pay to show 383 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: certain teams games. I'm not a conspiracy theorist per se, 384 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: but I do remember what happened around in the last 385 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: CBA when the song and dance was, Man, we're losing money. 386 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: Baseball's really on the downward. We're going to have to 387 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: make some adjustments here. Players are going to have to 388 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: have their part in this. And then before you know what, 389 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: baseball took off on a four year trajectory here over 390 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 2: the last four seasons that has just grown exponentially. And 391 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 2: I think this is part of what this setup is 392 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: going to be. I've heard the story in the locker 393 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: room when Rob Manford goes into the locker room next 394 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: year and then starts talking about how MLB has had 395 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: to absorb these TV deals and MLB has had to 396 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 2: take over them, and it's really going to put a 397 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: strain on it. Sorry, that's no, that's not it. They 398 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: announced Apple deals and what Peacock deals or whatever it 399 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: was two months after the CBA in twenty twenty two 400 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: or twenty two three or whatever, what's twenty two two, 401 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: Like that's in the works. Just like Lance said, these 402 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 2: networks will take over these deals as soon as they 403 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 2: know Baseball is being played. If anything, I think this 404 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: tells the players, this is how important this is to 405 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: the owners. If they're going to have this song and dance, 406 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: they need baseball to get TV contracts, So hold them 407 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 2: to playing baseball. But I also agree with these two 408 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 2: guys where I would love to see a team that's 409 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 2: had negative cash flow over the last five years, show 410 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: me that team, because the graphics that I've seen is 411 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: most of these teams are in the hundreds of millions 412 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: of dollars in revenue, whether they have a high pay 413 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: roll or not. The TV and the fans that do 414 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: show up bring in hundreds of millions of dollars to 415 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: these teams, and I think you just see the difference 416 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: in the teams that want to put it back on 417 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 2: the field versus the teams that don't. And the ones 418 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: that put it back on the field are normally the 419 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 2: ones that win. 420 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: The Commissioner, in a recent interview, also floated some ideas 421 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: about how to spruce up the game of baseball. We'll 422 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: get to that when we come back from break. You're 423 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: watching Cardinal Territory on the Foul Territory Network. 424 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 6: Hey, make good eats at home part of your twenty 425 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 6: twenty six New Year's Resolution. 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Change it 453 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: turns out I like those things, so maybe change can 454 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: be good. But I'll go with you, Matt. Just give 455 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: me your thoughts on baseball and in order to spark 456 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: more interest in in season tournament. 457 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I think as an NBA fan, I found 458 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: it somewhat interesting. I don't I don't think it's like 459 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 3: a deal breaker. I don't think it's a it's it's 460 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 3: something that's Uh. The NBA has gained a ton of 461 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 3: notoriety or added extra fans because of the in game tournament. 462 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that the players, uh, you know, 463 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 3: they get a bonus if they win. I think that. 464 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 2: I don't hate it. 465 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't I don't know what the 466 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 3: format will look like. I'd be interested to see how. 467 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 4: They do it. 468 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: In in like kind of the way the NBA did it, 469 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 3: like as far as our scheduling is a lot different 470 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 3: because we have more games and serieses and where this 471 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 3: would all be how they would do it. But I'm 472 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 3: always interested in new ideas that make regular season games 473 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 3: feel more h important, or there's more on the line, 474 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 3: or there's bonuses for young players. You know, young players 475 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 3: get a chance to make an extra million dollars and 476 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 3: if they win the end season tournament or you know, 477 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 3: whatever the bonus ends up being. But I'm all ears 478 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: for stuff that might improve the game watch or make 479 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: games in the middle of the season maybe more fun 480 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: to watch, or bring in maybe some casual fans that 481 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 3: otherwise don't watch July games or June games, and now 482 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know that their team has 483 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: a chance to win sort of a consolation championship or whatever. 484 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 3: I don't even know, you know, a mid season tournament championship. 485 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: I don't hate it, so I'd be interested to hear 486 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 3: in some of the logistics of it. 487 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: All Right, I watched the Knicks beat the Spurs for 488 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: the NBA Emirates Cup. It wasn't even a game that 489 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: counted regular season standings as a fan. I was just 490 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: watching it as a game because I like to watch 491 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: the next lance would that scenario you think play in MLB? 492 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 5: It's it's gonna be hard because you gotta do series, 493 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 5: I think for baseball to feel like you're doing that, 494 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 5: So a lot of stuff's gotta change. You know, you 495 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 5: gotta add to two more teams, so there's sixteen on 496 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 5: each side, and then you do three game series kind 497 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 5: of heading on into the All Star break. Maybe you 498 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 5: think the All Star break a little longer for certain things. 499 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 5: So I think and the idea of bringing some sort 500 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 5: of sense of different types of games that matter would 501 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 5: be cool. But the logistics of baseball, with baseball needing 502 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 5: to be a three game series for you to win 503 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 5: that series and move on instead of a one game off. 504 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 4: I mean, maybe you do make it a one game 505 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 4: off and you just have a. 506 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 5: Bracket on each side of one games, but like the 507 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 5: travel and our season would be outrageous for that, So 508 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 5: I don't see how I don't see how it's doable, 509 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 5: to be honest with you, in baseball with the way 510 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 5: that you'd have to travel unless you send every team 511 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 5: on East and West to a one site and have 512 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 5: a one game off until who it's ever's left plays 513 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 5: the other side. Maybe that's the only way to do 514 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 5: it with because of travel, I don't know. I mean, 515 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 5: with what the travel guys and people have to deal 516 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 5: with throughout the year. To throw that in especially, you know, 517 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 5: you have to play every day and stuff like that, 518 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 5: it's it's gonna be tough to make something like that work. 519 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 4: How about Tuca. 520 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: On the plants there and Matt. I think it'd be 521 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 2: interesting and be you know, kind of cool, But I 522 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: just don't know how it works. I mean, you need 523 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 2: you need time to make that happen. I don't think 524 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: it is really right to just work it into the 525 00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: regular season because, in my mind, the most important position 526 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: on the field only plays one out of five days. 527 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: And I think it becomes a big advantage if the 528 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 2: Pirates get to play their tournament day when Paul Skeins pitches, 529 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: versus the Cardinals playing their tournament game with Kyle Gibson pitches. 530 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: You know, I think it's it's just a different type 531 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: of a deal. So I think we have our tournament, 532 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: and I think baseball being the worldly game, I think 533 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: you move the WBC to the middle of the season, 534 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: and how long how much of spring training does it 535 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: take to play the WBC. You know, I think you 536 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: move it to the middle of the season, and you 537 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: make All Star Break a week long whatever it needs 538 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: to be, and you play in the middle of the 539 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: season when all the players are ready, they're possibly with 540 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: their peak physical shape. Nobody's starting in January to be 541 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: built up. Starters aren't going three innings in a WBC game, 542 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: And you make the focus on the WBC. You want 543 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: to grow that, you want that to be the big deal. 544 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: Put that in the middle of the season and let 545 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,239 Speaker 2: the people go play, and then you don't have this 546 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: weird time where maybe if you're not in that end 547 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: season tournament, you're not playing because you can't just take 548 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: two weeks off right of baseball. It's just it's not 549 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: how it works. So, you know, that's probably what I 550 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: would do. 551 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: Before we go, Matt, you're a coach on Team USA. 552 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm just curious that this point in the in the year, 553 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: how much time does that take up as you guys 554 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: prep for that. How busy are you with with you know, 555 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: helping that come together? 556 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 3: Uh, you know, in my position, Uh, not much. I 557 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: mean it's a it's a zoom call once a week maybe. 558 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 4: There. 559 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 3: You know, obviously a lot of it comes down to 560 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 3: the Michael Hill, the general manager in d Row, finding 561 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: the players they're capable of, willing, uh teams allowing. Putting 562 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: together the roster has been the main, you know, the 563 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: main thing. So I think as we get closer, there's 564 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 3: there's maybe some more stuff involved, but I don't have 565 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 3: any say on on who plays or you know, that's 566 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 3: it's it's this is you know, at least in my opinion, 567 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: this is more of a Michael Hill and d Row 568 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: doing a lot of the leg work on getting the 569 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: roster together. And then once you finalize the roster, you 570 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 3: start to put together roles, you start to plan out pitching. 571 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: You know, a lot of these pitchers, like Schooble, they 572 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 3: have strict guidelines on what they're willing to do and 573 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 3: what they're agents and coaches and you know what game 574 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: they're willing to pitch. And you know Skens has his 575 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: routine and what he wants and what games. So they 576 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: start trying to line up who pitches where, and then 577 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: talking about keeping an extra pitcher that that maybe is 578 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: even retired that may not pitch at all, but you 579 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: got to have him just in case. You know, you 580 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 3: have two guys that have bad outings. So there's it's 581 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,239 Speaker 3: more logistical talk about the roster right now than it 582 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: is anything else. So I think once they finalize the 583 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 3: roster and hammer that out, I think it'll be interesting 584 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: to see where it turns to from there. But most 585 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: of the has been very light for me, just listening 586 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 3: in on guys that they're considering for the roster. 587 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: And it's been light for me this show because I 588 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: just fire some questions and then listen to you guys, 589 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: and you are all delightful and informative, and I appreciate it, 590 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: and that's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. 591 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: We'll see on the next episode, and hopefully that one 592 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: won't suck.