1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,439 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom never told you. From house stuffwards 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline and Caroline. Even though when we asked 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: our Facebook fans our listeners a little while ago whether 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: or not they desired an Academy Awards podcast, and we 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: received mixed results. Mixed is putting it nicely, Yes, it was. 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: It was a very polarizing question. People were either gung 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: ho about the Academy Awards or gung no, I'm sorry 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: about the Academy Awards thing. Why would we waste our 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: time talking about an awards show. It's Hollywood, it's bologny. Well, naysayers, 11 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: we're bringing you our Academy Awards show. But it has 12 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: a pretty good point, and I think right because we're 13 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: also still in Black History Month, that's right, and so 14 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: we want to talk about all of the amazing trailblazers 15 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: African American women on film, on screen, behind the camera. Yeah, 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: and at the Oscars, even though when it comes to 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Black women on film and at the Oscars, it's more 18 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: of a legacy of a lack of representation. Um. But first, 19 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: since the Oscars are happening this Sunday if you're listening 20 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: to this podcast when it comes out. The Oscars are 21 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: on Sunday, February, and there are some possible history makers, 22 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: starting off with nine year old quivinzent A Wallace. Yeah, 23 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: she's making history as the youngest Best Actors OSCAR nominee 24 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: for the role in Beasts of the Southern Wild, which 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: I hate to say, I haven't seen yet. I keep 26 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: meaning to go see. I've not seen it as well. Um, 27 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: she plays Hush Puppy and I hear that it's it's 28 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: a pretty intense film. And if she does win for 29 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: Best Actress, though, she would only be the second black 30 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: female to win in that category. The only other Black 31 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: woman to win Best Actress at the Oscars was Halle 32 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Berry for her role in Monsters Balls. Thinks. Um, And 33 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: even though we're not talking about the dudes, let's go 34 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: ahead and acknowledge the fact that Denzel Washington is also 35 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: up for Best Actor in Flight and with his nomination 36 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: his sixth, he's the most nominated Black actor in OSCAR history, 37 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: and he'd be the first guy to win two Best 38 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: Actors I believe among black actors. So things to watch 39 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: out for at the Academy Awards. Um, but who was 40 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: the first Let's go back in Academy history because we 41 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: mentioned because covinc and it would only be the second 42 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: black would ever win for Best Actress as we mentioned. Um, 43 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: and when we go through the time line of black 44 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: female winners at the Oscars, it's a pretty truncated timeline. Yeah. 45 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: So going back to Gone with the Wind, Hattie McDaniel 46 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: was the first black woman to win an Oscar. She 47 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: played the role of the maid, the Mammy in in 48 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: that movie, and she actually spent the rest of her 49 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: career essentially reprising her maid role before starring in the 50 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: series Beulah. She actually, um, just her career just never 51 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: picked up after that. Yeah, even though we might think that, 52 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's an awesome thing. Hey, it's 53 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: the first black actor to win an Oscar. But she 54 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: was actually criticized by the double a CP for even 55 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: taking the role of Mammy because you know, of its 56 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: racist portrayal essentially and playing into that, you know, black 57 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: character as a subservient to white characters. And like you said, Caroline, 58 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: she only she just got stuck playing maids over and 59 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: over again, and even with her last major film The 60 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: Big Wheel starring Mickey Rooney. In nine, she played yet 61 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: again a maid. Well but to the criticism from the 62 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: double a CP, she actually said, you know, I could 63 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: get seven hundred dollars a week to play a maid, 64 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: or I could be paid seven dollars a week to 65 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: be a maid. And even though you know, Hollywood sources 66 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: will say that McDaniel was well respected among other leading 67 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: Hollywood actors at the time, she's still because of getting 68 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: pigeonholed in that role and marginalized. Essentially, she ended up 69 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: dying alone and in debt at fifty seven. So things 70 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: kick off on kind of a loan note um. And 71 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: then in nine, this is a nomination she didn't win, 72 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: but Ethel Waters was nominated for Best Supporting Actress for 73 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: her role in the movie Pinky and yet again she 74 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 1: plays kind of the mentoring servant to a wealthier white 75 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: female character. So moving forward, we have Dorothy dan Ridge, 76 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: who's definitely more of a a household name. She she 77 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: really made a name for herself coming up through the 78 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: nightclub scene, which eventually led her two gigs in New York, 79 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: Paris and television. She actually also became the first black 80 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: woman to perform at the Waldorf Astoria during this time. Um. 81 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: But this all led to the lead role in MGMs 82 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: All Black production of Bright Road, which is based on 83 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: a young teacher's life in the South. And this popularity 84 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: that she achieved UM in the forties led her to 85 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: campaign for the lead role in Carmen Jones, which is 86 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: sort of the stuff of of legend movie legend. Yeah, 87 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Carmen Jones UM, as you might assume was was based 88 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: off a musical based off of the opera Carmen and Dangered. 89 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: For her role as Carmen Jones received the very first 90 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: nomination for a Black actress for Best Actress at the 91 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: Academy Awards. And this is in nineteen fifty four. And 92 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: I Carmen Jones is on Flix right now, Caroline. And 93 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: so while I was cooking dinner the other night, I 94 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: watched Carmen drums in My Goodness. Every other word is 95 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: a musical song, which is nice if you like musicals. Um, 96 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: but uh, Danders is incredible. She as soon as she 97 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: pops on the screen, you can't you really can't look 98 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: away from her. And uh she once said that quote 99 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: if I were white, I would capture the world and 100 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: at the time, she was often described as the black 101 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: Maryland Monroe, and wearing her iconic Carmen Jones outfit, she 102 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: graced the cover of Life magazine. She was the first 103 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: black woman to ever do that. And even though she 104 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: did not win that Best Actress oscar in nineteen fifty four, 105 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: I mean, but for for a moment, though, let's consider 106 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: who she was up against, Judy Garland and a Star 107 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: is Born, Audrey Hepburn and Sabrina Jane Wyman and Magnificent 108 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: Obsession and Grace Kelly and the country Girl and surprise, surprise, 109 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: out of all of those who wins, Grace Kelly well 110 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: Dandridge pointed out several times just her disappointment with, you know, 111 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: the whole system, because she was considered, uh, you know, beautiful, 112 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: a great actress, very passionate in her roles that she 113 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: took on. And yet there was this whole perception that 114 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: she was so beautiful there was a danger of pairing 115 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: her up with a leading a white leading man, because 116 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: then that interracial relationship was was too much for audiences. Oh, absolutely, 117 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: an off screen and this is coming from an article 118 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: over at The Hairpin by Anne Helen Peterson about Dandridge 119 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 1: is Hollywood legacy. Um. She talked about how off screen 120 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: she did date white actors and producers, and it was 121 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: she was demonized for because of the time. As you 122 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: can imagine, interracial relationships, Um, we're still a big taboo. 123 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: And even though in Carmen Jones she is opposite leading 124 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: man Harry Belafonte, who like, if only just to see 125 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: him in that movie, I recommend you watch Carmen Jones 126 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: kind of had to take a moment a little break 127 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: close cooking, just stare at my laptop screen. But anyway, Um, 128 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: it was a big deal to show Bellefonte and dangerous 129 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: is romantic relationship on screen in this larger Hollywood production 130 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: because even depicting a passionate relationship between a black couple 131 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: was a huge thing in Hollywood because a lot of 132 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: times even uh, you know, if you did depict any 133 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: kind of romance with black characters, it was it was 134 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: sort of, you know, a little bit hokey and just 135 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: kind of kind of silly, like picks on the cheek 136 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, much like Hattie McDaniel, 137 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: who we just discussed. Uh. Dandridge's career fizzled unfortunately, the 138 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: roles just weren't coming in for her like she had hoped. 139 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: And in nine, at the age of forty two, d 140 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: Ridge odeed on antidepressants. Yeah. So, and this is something 141 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: that we see over and over again where these actresses 142 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: are able to achieve fame up to a point and 143 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: then the roles just disappear unless they fit into these 144 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: kind of trophy characters of the maid or the bombshell 145 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: or the sassy finger wagging friend. Um. But let's go 146 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: on to some more Oscar winners. Unfortunately, we have to 147 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: jump from nineteen fifty to nineteen nine one to Mss 148 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: Whoopie Goldberg. Yeah, she won an Oscar for her role 149 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: in Ghost, which is still one of my favorite movies. 150 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: I've never seen it, really really, that's okay. I mean 151 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: I admitted that I've never been to New Orleans, so 152 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: we all have things. Um, but she she achieved the 153 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: coveted Egott. She has an Emmy, a Grammy, and a 154 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: Tony in addition to her Oscar. And unfortunately she's made 155 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: the announcement. Well, this was back in two thousand seven 156 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: that she was retiring from acting because she was no 157 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: longer receiving scripts and and yet again, the roles just 158 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: start to dry up. Um. And then when we moved 159 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: to two thousand one, as we mentioned, Hallie Berry became 160 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: the first black actress to receive the Best Actress Award 161 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: for a role in Monster's Ball, And sort of like 162 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: Hattie McDaniels, she did receive some flak from critics who 163 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: were not fond of the relationship in the film with 164 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: Billy Bob Thornton's character, who was a blatant racist, And 165 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: there was also this pretty intense sex scene and people 166 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: were like, God, I don't know if this is really 167 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,599 Speaker 1: worth celebrating all that much. And and like these other actresses, 168 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: since Salie Berry took home that oscar, that history making oscar, 169 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: she's played Catwoman, an x men and Hallie x Men 170 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: x Uh. You know, even though I loved x Men. Um, 171 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: But basically the moral of the story is, yet again 172 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: she's just kind of not getting these amazing roles, very 173 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: very complex roles, will put it that way. Yeah. Well, 174 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson of American Idol fame went on to win 175 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: an Oscar for her role in dream Girl. Dream Girls. 176 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: There it is. I ken't wanted to say show Girls, 177 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: but that is definitely so different inaccurate. She became the 178 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: youngest black actor to ever win an Oscar, finally making 179 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: the leap to a leading lady in a biopic about 180 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: Winnie Mandela recently, but unfortunately the movie hasn't found a 181 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: US distributor, so she is also part of what a 182 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: few bloggers have referred to as this this Oscar curse 183 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: for African American actresses. Um. Yeah. And then in two 184 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: thousand ten, Monique wins Best Supporting Actress for her role 185 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: in Precious, And then in two thousand twelve, Octavia Spencer 186 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: brings home the fifth Best Supporting Oscar given to a 187 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: Black actress for her role in The Help, which again 188 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: critics were saying, oh wow, what do you know? Yeah, well, 189 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: there was a whole argue meant of like, is many 190 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: that character really that far from Mammy? How do you 191 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: McDaniel's character, Like, yes, it's it's maybe a richer role, 192 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: it's more multifaceted, but is it really making any great strides? Yeah? 193 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: Does it say that much that you know? Obviously, it's 194 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: the it's the roles that they're being offered. Um. For instance, 195 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: Viola Davis, who was nominated first for her role in Doubt, 196 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: and she was also nominated for her role in The Help. 197 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: Was talking to Essence magazine about The Help quote, of 198 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: course they had trepidations. Why do I have to play 199 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: the mammy? But you do what you do as an actor. 200 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: If one of the most multifaceted and rich roles you've 201 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: ever been given is a made in nineteen sixty two Mississippi, yeah, 202 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: well this actually led Spencer this, This same sentiment led 203 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: Octavia Spencer to say, yeah, I want to be a producer. 204 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: I want to be an activist. I want to be 205 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: proactive and bringing about work for men, women, boys, girls, 206 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: everybody who is good they do and deserve a shot 207 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: at it. So that whole, that whole notion of Okay, 208 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: well you know what, these leading lady roles are just 209 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: not coming my way, or you know, it's just stereotypes 210 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: coming my way. So maybe it's time that I get 211 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: behind the camera or start funding films, right um. And 212 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: some have said that because Octavia Spencer brings such a 213 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: rich resume with her already to that Oscar Win that 214 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: she had in twelve, that she will probably have a 215 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: lot better luck branching out. Even though I will say, 216 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: I did very much enjoy seeing her on thirty Rock 217 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: in this in its last season. She had a couple 218 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: of cameos in there and it was hilarious. Um. But 219 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: all of this, yeah, does point to the question of 220 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: whether or not there is, as you mentioned earlier, Caroline, 221 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: some kind of Oscar curse for actresses in general, if 222 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: not especially for Black actresses, because it seems like you 223 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: get the big win and then work drives up. Well, 224 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: it seems interesting and unfortunate that there aren't more of 225 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: those multifaceted roles for African American women. I mean, there 226 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: are just aren't that many leading lady rolls out there 227 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: the way there would be for like a Meryl Streep 228 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: or a Nicole Kidman. Um, there tend to be these 229 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: three main depictions of black women on screen that that 230 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: women are are pigeonholed into and those are Mammies, Sapphires, 231 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: and Jezebels. And this is coming from the Women's Studies encyclopedia. K. S. 232 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: Jewel Uh spelled out these different three characters, and she 233 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: said that black women have historically worked as domestics. Mammy 234 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: has been strong and assertive, a Sapphire and been forced 235 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: into sexual servitude the Jezebel character. And it's these kernels 236 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: of truth, she says, that makes these images so insidious 237 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: and plausible. But there are distortion of black women's positive attribute, 238 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: she says, right, because they only they take these tiny 239 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: aspects and in caricatures and just blow them up really 240 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: just to serve as foils for other and often white, 241 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: stronger characters. I mean, I don't think that we need 242 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: to go into detail describing, uh, you know, the the 243 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: whole mammy stereotype. Um. You know, it's the happy domestic worker, 244 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: which is you know, it's often portrayed as someone who 245 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: is very giving emotionally, um, but doesn't really expect anything 246 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: in return at all. They're just kind of these empty 247 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: vessels who were sitting there. And then the Sapphire is 248 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: the strong and the sassy and I didn't realize this. 249 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: It was first popularized in the nineteen forties with the 250 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: Amos and Andy Show by the wife of the character 251 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: Kingfish and then going on to the Jezebel. I feel 252 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: like Carmen Jones Dorothy dangerous character um in Carmen Jones 253 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: really sums up the Jezebel. She's the fiery bombshell. She's 254 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: the dangerous one. Her sexuality will inevitably get you in trouble. 255 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: She's a honeypot. But at the same time, there's also 256 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: a servitude aspect to that as well, because because she'll 257 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: do anything to you know, get the hand that she wants. 258 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: And yet people are comfortable seeing that though, because that's 259 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: such a common stereotype. It's like, Okay, well, this makes 260 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: sense in my brain because here's a black woman who 261 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: is this Jezebel character. That makes sense having a black 262 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: character back then just be a leading lady in the 263 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: way that Grace Kelly was. That didn't quite compute for 264 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: a lot of white audiences, right, And it has to 265 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: do a lot with you know, the like black attracted 266 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: women being exoticized and eroticized in ways that white women 267 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: have not been. And because of that, Helen Tuny goes 268 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: on to talk about how the Jezebel is a culturally 269 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: approved victim of sexual assault, right, and this ties into 270 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: earlier roles in Dandridge's career um because she, you know, 271 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: when she was coming up through the nightclub, she started 272 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: to get offers for bit parts in movies, but that 273 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: meant really compromising her principles and playing roles like the 274 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: jungle queen in the movie Tarzan's Peril, And this was 275 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: another typical role of the time. It sort of goes 276 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: along with the Jezebel. It's that role of the exotic, 277 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, tying black women and men in with the 278 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: jungle and with animalistic tendencies. Yeah, because if you look 279 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: at Hollywood in the nineteen thirties, all of the roles 280 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: for black women really fit into the mammy. But then 281 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: once you get into pre sixties nineteen Hollywood, then you 282 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: have more of the transition into the Jezebel. And in 283 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: African American Actresses Struggle for Visibility, a book by Charlene 284 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: register Um, she talks about how that function of black 285 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: actresses was quote by contrast in language, costume, and behavior 286 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: to illuminate or aggrandize the virtue beauty, morality, sexuality, sophistication, 287 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: and other qualities embedded in the whiteness of the white 288 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: female actress or character, almost like a shadow self of 289 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: the white other. So no wonder they're not. You know, 290 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: a ton of wonderfully rich and complex roles for black actresses. 291 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: And the thing is the history hasn't changed all that 292 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: much today, but I wonder if it might. We might 293 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: see that dial shift if we see more women of 294 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: color behind the screen. Well, there are there are some 295 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: up and comers and some trailblazers before them, garnering a 296 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: lot of attention. Um Ariel Leon for Clutch Magazine wrote 297 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: about some young Black women influencing film and just a 298 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: couple of them. For instance, there's Ava Diverne, who is 299 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: a director and founder of the African American Film Festival 300 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: Releasing Movement, which releases independent African American films through simultaneous 301 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: screenings and selected cities. There's Nikki Yatt Juicy, who's actually 302 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: Christen in Atlanta Native and she's a young writer and 303 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: director who's already received a Director's Guild Honorable Mention, an 304 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: HBO Short Film Award, and a j T three Artist 305 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: Award for her short film at Freaking Booty Scratcher. Then 306 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: there's de Rees who's attracted a lot of attention. She's 307 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: a writer director of the film Pariah, which is a 308 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: Black lesbian coming of age film that premiered at Sundance 309 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: in eleven and she's also gone on to write and 310 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: direct several short films. So there are a lot of 311 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: women coming up through the rank, a lot of young 312 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: directors and producers who are getting behind the camera. Yeah, 313 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: and there have already been some, you know, some trailblazers 314 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: before them. The Indie Wire listed ten trailblazing directors. And 315 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: I did not know this, but Maya Angelou was the 316 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: first black woman to have a feature film screenplay producer 317 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: was in nineteen seventy two was Georgia Georgia, but Angelou 318 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: hated the production so much she remade it herself. I 319 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: think twenty years later, um and then, but still listen, 320 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: is okay? Angela Robinson is the highest grossing Black female 321 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: director in history for the film Wait for It, Herbie 322 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: Fully Loaded. So okay, there's a whole range. Yes, there 323 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: there there's definitely a range. I mean you also have 324 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: people like did you mention, I don't think that you 325 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: mentioned Darnell Martin, who was the first African American woman 326 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: to write and direct for a major studio, And that 327 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: was in which I like it like that coming out 328 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: of Columbia Pictures. And she later directed Cadillac Records as well. 329 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: Oh and also for film Buffs out there using Pulsey 330 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: was not only the first woman to be produced by 331 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: a major Hollywood studio, but she was also the only 332 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: woman to ever direct Marlon Brando. Yeah, he came out 333 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: of retirement. Yeah for nine's a dry white season. So 334 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: if you're going to Trivia anytime soon, you can tuck 335 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: that little nugget away. Um. But there's been so much 336 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: commentary this season about Katherine Bigelow, who was the first 337 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: woman to take home the Best Director Oscar for The 338 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: hurt Locker, and how she was not nominated this year 339 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: for Zero Dark thirty. But once I started reading about 340 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, women of color behind the camera, Oh wow, 341 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like they're being completely overlooked in a 342 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: lot of ways. It seems like, Yeah, Well, there was 343 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: Gina Prince Bythewood, who actually stormed the Independent Spirit Awards 344 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Her two thousand film Love 345 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: and Basketball was a huge success and earned her Best 346 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: First Screenplay. At the time, it was one of the 347 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: largest scale, the most high profile projects undertaken by a 348 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: black woman, and she went on to adapt The Secret 349 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: Life of Bees that book for a for the screen 350 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: and which grist forty million dollars worldwide. Yeah, And that's 351 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: the thing. It's not like there is a dearth of 352 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: talent out there, whether it's behind or in front of 353 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: the camera. I mean, there are plenty of actresses that 354 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: we haven't talked about. Carrie Washington comes to mind. She 355 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: was in Django and it is also in uh Scandal 356 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: on on TV right now, which she's the first black 357 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: woman to star in a network series in thirty nine years. Yeah, 358 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, and if that isn't saying something, I mean, 359 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: that's that's small screen. But still it's taken us so 360 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: long to make any kind of progress whatsoever. And when 361 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: it comes to film, I mean, this is part of 362 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: a larger question of whether or not it's Hollywood's woman problem. 363 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: You know, the whole Oscar curse doesn't just stop with 364 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: black actresses. There's a question of whether or not, you know, 365 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: it happens, because it seems like it has for white 366 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: actresses as well. Okay, well, I mean we've we've covered 367 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: a lot of ground, Christian, We've obviously we've glossed over 368 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: a lot. There are a lot of black actresses, directors, 369 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: producers who we have not mentioned. Lena Horne one of 370 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: the first, she was not she was never nominated for 371 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: an Oscar, but she was certainly, you know, one of, 372 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: if not the first mainstream black entertainer on on screen right, 373 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: who also struggled with a lot of the same things 374 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: that Dandridge did as far as you know, being beautiful 375 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: and talented, but oh but you're still black, marginalized. It 376 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: was funny because she was super popular during World War Two, 377 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, during a pin up era, and she was 378 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: saying that black soldiers couldn't couldn't pin up Betty Grable, 379 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: you know, the white pin up they were like. She 380 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: was like, so you know I've benefited from that. I was, 381 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, all over Oliver soldiers tents. Where would you 382 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: be in the Walkers walls? I don't know. Um, well anyway, yeah, 383 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: fingers crossed for Quivins and a uh and I need 384 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: to put that on my her movie on my to 385 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: watch list for sure, Yes, I would. I would really 386 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: like to see, you know, a Best Actress award go 387 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: to a woman of color finally, because it seems like 388 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: best supporting. He just keeps, you know, going in that direction, 389 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: but there needs to be more recognition. So yeah, even 390 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: though we certainly have not mentioned every notable name that 391 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: we could have. I hope that we have offered a 392 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: a digestible history right and maybe inspire people to check 393 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: out some movies they haven't seen. Yeah, Dorothy Dandridge, check 394 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: check her out and read that over to the Hairpin 395 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: um and and and type in her name to read 396 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: that article because it is fascinating and simultaneously depressing. If 397 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: you do have Netflix, go check out Carmen Jones as well, 398 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: especially if you like musicals and Harry Belafoni. Don't give me, 399 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: don't get me started. So with that, if you have 400 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: any Auscar related letters to send us right to us. 401 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: Mom Stuff at Discovery dot Com is where you can 402 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: do it, or you can also go to Facebook as well. 403 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: Shoot us a message like us while you're at it. Well, Kalen, 404 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: I've got a letter here from Sally in response to 405 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: our episode on tomboys, and she said that, Uh, while 406 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: my parents loved my sister and I very much, deep 407 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: down they both wish that they had tried for a 408 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: third child in the hopes of having a son, and 409 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: as a result they you know her sister. She and 410 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: her sister were pretty tom woyish growing up. She said 411 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: that we were encouraged to play sports from a young age, 412 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: spent many summer evenings playing whiffleball or frisbee in the 413 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: backyard with dad. We also inherited our father's hot wheels 414 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: collection from when he was a kid and loved making 415 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: the cars crash on the track. But then things take 416 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of a funny term, so she says, 417 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: I think my dad was pretty convinced that he could 418 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: keep his tomboys forever. But a last puberty finally hit 419 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: and he was reminded that he definitely had daughters. There 420 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: were a few lonely years for our dad, and my 421 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: sister also hit puberty. But then something miraculous happened. I 422 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: started to date. While most fathers cringe at the thought 423 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: of their daughter bringing home a boy, my dad loved it. 424 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: Finally there are men in the house to talk about 425 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: manly things. My father has always been very open and 426 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: friendly with our boyfriends, and would often be devastated when 427 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: we broke up with them. He doesn't need to worry 428 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: about that so much now that I'm engaged. But my 429 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: parents have started to request that when we eventually have kids, 430 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 1: they would strongly prefer grandsons. I know they would love 431 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: a g daughter just as much, but she will definitely 432 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: be encouraged to be a tomboy just as my sister 433 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: and I were. So so yeah, I cannot imagine my 434 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: father being heartbroken over over me parting ways with a fella. 435 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: That's my dad. Doesn't have really any opinions on my 436 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: dating life, so you might not even notice yet. Yeah, okay, 437 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: Well this is from Julie on our gym podcast, Our 438 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: Our Fitness Episodes. She says, although it sure does date me, 439 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: I am a product of the Jack Lo Lane TV era. 440 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: When I was in elementary school in the mid nineteen sixties, 441 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: I did exercises every morning before I went to school 442 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: with Jack Lane on TV my mom too. I was 443 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: then involved in sports and fitness my entire life. Competed 444 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: in college, and at fifty two years old and as 445 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: an eighth grade language arts teacher, I still coach four 446 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: sports a year, shorter seasons than high school. I still 447 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: run with my cross country and track athletes, and do 448 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: drills with my volleyball and basketball players. My has been 449 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: and I belong to the local y m c A, 450 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: and I compete in three triathlons a year and one 451 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: endurance swim jeez. She says that thank you goes to 452 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: Jack Lilane. She also goes on to talk about her 453 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: Jim and says, my Why is an excellent mix of 454 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: men and women, and I like it much better than 455 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: the regular Jim I used to belong to. And I 456 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: have a feeling that I agree with her. 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