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Speaker 1: Radio Radio Radio Commies, a myth and bullshit radio phonic

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Speaker 1: novella radio hosted by Malam. Hello, welcome back to local radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, look at Motive. This is brown Girl Our

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Speaker 1: and this is Disa and look at the radio is

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Speaker 1: a podcast arch having the brilliance and legacies of women

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Speaker 1: and firms of color. I'm so, so so excited to

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Speaker 1: finally be back, yes recording, we took a little break

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Speaker 1: and this is our very first Welcome to season two.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to season for all of my novelets out there, right,

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Speaker 1: we made it host Yes, we made it through season one.

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Speaker 1: We made it through most important to take us out honestly,

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Speaker 1: and even like the beginning of has been a little

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Speaker 1: bit rough, I cannot lie right right, there's been some

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Speaker 1: stuff going on, but here we are persisting, resisting all

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Speaker 1: of those things for us. So we have so many

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Speaker 1: exciting things coming for I'm so excited to just like

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Speaker 1: we had, we planted all of our seeds in seventeen right,

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Speaker 1: so now I'm excited to really watch everything grow cultivate.

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Speaker 1: We'll started absolutely do like round two of things. This

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Speaker 1: for example, we'll get into the topic in a little bit. Um,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, I'm just really excited for season two.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a fabulous season. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a fabulous year. And this year it's a new year,

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Speaker 1: and we have new rules, Alla, Dulia, Yes, like for real,

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Speaker 1: for real, Like we made some changes in seen. I know,

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Speaker 1: I made a lot of changes in seventeen and I

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Speaker 1: cut off things that weren't working for me anymore. And

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Speaker 1: I'm starting new things and new patterns and a new mindset,

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Speaker 1: and we have new rules, new rules. I'm not put

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Speaker 1: up with any bullshit anymore. If I don't want to

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Speaker 1: do it, I'm not going to do it. I agree,

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Speaker 1: And that's just how I'm deciding to live my life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm just so happy with like

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Speaker 1: the stability of my mental health right now, Like I

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Speaker 1: just put so much work with my therapist in so

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Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, now when things go wrong,

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Speaker 1: like I can handle it, as opposed to before it's

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Speaker 1: like you feel like everything's going to crash around you.

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Speaker 1: But now I'm like, okay, Like I've made it through

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Speaker 1: the toughest year of my life thus far. I know

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Speaker 1: that whatever comes my way, I have like the tools

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Speaker 1: I need. I have the support system I need. I'm good,

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Speaker 1: you know, I love that. Yeah, thank you, I know.

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Speaker 1: So here's to you know, to you know, being healthy,

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Speaker 1: growing some wealth, growing some wealth, all kinds of wealth.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I'm excited, you know that cash wealth,

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Speaker 1: but also the spiritual wealth, love and the friendship as

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Speaker 1: wealthy seventeen taught me that and that is so real.

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Speaker 1: We have to prioritize ourselves and our health and our body.

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Speaker 1: So those are some of our new rules and our

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Speaker 1: new resolutions for the new year. And you know, speaking

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Speaker 1: of new things that we're introducing this year, so we're

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Speaker 1: introducing some new elements, some new segments to look. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be rolling out some segments throughout the year,

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Speaker 1: but today we have our very first one. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: you know, usually like when when we work aut Pezza Los,

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Speaker 1: either it's just you know, Yosa and I talking, talking, talking,

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Speaker 1: shooting the ship, or we have guests here. But now

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Speaker 1: we're going to actually implement some new programming to like

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Speaker 1: diversify a little bit and keep things fun, keep things different.

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Speaker 1: We are keeping things fresh for y'all. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to be as original as possible. So our

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Speaker 1: new segment every look. I thought our radio we are

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Speaker 1: going to be answering listener questions and the name of

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Speaker 1: our new segment isca Act. And I feel like we

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Speaker 1: get a lot of the time, but we haven't really

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Speaker 1: like to know. Okay, what is our beauty and skincare routine? Yes? Important, important,

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Speaker 1: very important. So do you want to go first? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I can go first. Okay, So let me start by

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Speaker 1: saying that my mom always always taught us to take

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Speaker 1: alcohol that I drink. Right, So I feel the same way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say starting with water is like so important.

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Speaker 1: me to track my water intake. It's called I Hydrate

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Speaker 1: the name, but it's Witch Hazel. And serums are something

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Speaker 1: to answer two questions? Should we do too? We? Should

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Speaker 1: in Mexico City with with two of my girlfriends, my

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Speaker 1: co workers. So we went and we wanted to go

424
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Speaker 1: to the Museum of Tolerance because there was an ongoing

425
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Speaker 1: Femini Ceo you know, exhibition that was going on there.

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Speaker 1: And what was interesting was at the Museum of Tolerance,

427
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a genocide museum in Mexico City in

428
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Speaker 1: the capital, and they had two separate Feminine CEO exhibits

429
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Speaker 1: going on at once, on two different floors at this

430
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Speaker 1: Holocaust museum, at this genocide museum. So there was one

431
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Speaker 1: about Femini CEO in Mexico and another one about Femini

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Speaker 1: CEO and Guatemala. So already, just in one building you

433
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Speaker 1: have two separate feminie cetheos and countries that are very

434
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Speaker 1: close to each other, right, And it's just it was

435
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Speaker 1: just it was it made me cry, you know, the

436
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Speaker 1: whole thing. I talked about it on on whatever capitulo

437
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Speaker 1: that was. But just so many women, so many women

438
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Speaker 1: of color, so many Latin American women, darned by men

439
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: in our own communities and in our own cultures. And

440
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: those are the men that kill us our our own right,

441
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And a statistic that I remember from

442
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: then a year ago that will always like stick to me.

443
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Speaker 1: There was a statistic that they showed that overt of

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Speaker 1: like murdered women and girls in Mexico, their bodies are

445
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: left in public places, right, And how feminie cdo is

446
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: such a public thing and such a public action and

447
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: instant act of terrorism, right to remind us that we're

448
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Speaker 1: not safe and our bodies are not our own, right,

449
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Speaker 1: and that was what that was. There were two and

450
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Speaker 1: two acts of violence that occurred in in Argentina. One

451
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Speaker 1: of them was a woman was murdered and then just

452
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Speaker 1: you know, left on the side of the road, which

453
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Speaker 1: that was one of the catalysts of why NEWMNOS was

454
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Speaker 1: was born and was there was a need for it, right,

455
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Speaker 1: And to say, like Neona Menoss is international, right, Every

456
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Speaker 1: Latin American country has their own marchamnos, right, Bedu has

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Speaker 1: a chapter, UM, Brazil has a chapter. Mexico like every

458
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Speaker 1: year there is a march, and it's on the same day, UM,

459
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: and it's to talk about femicides, right, right, and while

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, but that's And while I was in

461
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Speaker 1: Mexico and we went to this this um genocide museum.

462
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Speaker 1: While I was there, a girl, a student was strangled.

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Speaker 1: She was murdered by her boyfriend and her body was

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Speaker 1: left next to the engineering building on the UNAM campus.

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Speaker 1: And UNAM is the largest university in Mexico. So all

466
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Speaker 1: this happened while I was there there, and so inevitably

467
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: the neon A Menos hashtags were going off online. There

468
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Speaker 1: were then and I wanted. You're talking about how this

469
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Speaker 1: is international, right, it's Latin America. But also like recently

470
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Speaker 1: this little girl, the seven year old girl za nap

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Speaker 1: On sorry Um of Pakistan who was like kidnapped and

472
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Speaker 1: then she was raped and murdered, right, and her body

473
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Speaker 1: was found and so now in Pakistan, the women over there, right,

474
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Speaker 1: they're doing their neon a menhos right, because this is

475
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: really everywhere, right. And you know one thing I've seen

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Speaker 1: um on Facebook because I follow a lot of feminists

477
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Speaker 1: like collective groups of Latin America, and a lot of

478
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Speaker 1: the comments that I read because I love to read

479
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: the comments because you can really see where people are at, right,

480
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 1: like in the comments, and a lot of the comments

481
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: are from men saying like, well, men are killed even

482
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Speaker 1: more right, The difference is that men aren't killed for

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Speaker 1: being men, you know. There of course, there is like

484
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Speaker 1: domestic violence that effects men, we know that, right, it's

485
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Speaker 1: a smaller percentage. We're talking about women that are killed

486
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Speaker 1: by their partners, you know, by the men in their lives,

487
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: simply for for being women, right, um too because they

488
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Speaker 1: have control over them, because women are not thrown autonomous beings, right,

489
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Speaker 1: because the men are entitled to even their life. Absolutely,

490
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 1: there's I mean, the phenomenon of femicide is this phenomenon

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Speaker 1: in which the when women are murdered, when there is

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Speaker 1: a homicide of a woman, when a woman is murdered,

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Speaker 1: the vast, vast, vast majority of the time she is

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Speaker 1: killed by a man, just in general, whether that's her

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Speaker 1: part ner, it's more likely to be. But there is

496
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Speaker 1: a very like intense phenomenon that only really goes in

497
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Speaker 1: this one direction. Men kill women in mass It does

498
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Speaker 1: not go the other way. Women do not murder men

499
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Speaker 1: in mass When men are murdered, they're likely murdered by

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Speaker 1: other men. So men murder everybody, right, And I think

501
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: that's so much of the roots of all this violence

502
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: as we have to be honest about that and be like, hey,

503
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Speaker 1: there's a problem here, exactly exactly I mean. And I'm

504
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: not sure if we talked about this. I know, Mal

505
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: and I we've talked about it, you know, just between

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Speaker 1: the two of us. But when you see like acts

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Speaker 1: of terror, like mass shootings, like more likely than not,

508
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Speaker 1: the shooter, who is a man, has also history of

509
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Speaker 1: domestic violence violence against women. Yes, And it's just proven

510
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Speaker 1: almost every single in recent memory. In the past years,

511
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Speaker 1: almost every single mass shooter there was some previous history

512
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Speaker 1: of violence against women, of partner abuse, of domestic violence,

513
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Speaker 1: almost every single mass shooter. And it's it's scary, and

514
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 1: it's like, if you want to stop shootings, you need

515
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: to listen to women, like you have to, like, really

516
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: it's life and death at this point. Believe women believe

517
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: survivors right so much. Right, So, I mean when women

518
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Speaker 1: are talking about femicides, when women are talking about the intimate,

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00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: intimate partner violence that they're facing, Um, it's right, the

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00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: gas lighting. That's where the loca comes in, Right, the

521
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Speaker 1: loca I'm going to call her crazy because I never

522
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Speaker 1: I never hit her, right, but I was, you know,

523
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: psychologically abusive, but I bet all right, So there's there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of these this gas lighting that happens. Um.

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Speaker 1: So it's really important that we talk about how women

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Speaker 1: are called painted as the crazy ones, right when they're

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Speaker 1: talking about violence against them and when they're simply pointing

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00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: out our own experiences, right, And then that you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, you know, well if I didn't hit

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Speaker 1: her or whatever, And Kelly had come up with the hashtag, right,

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Speaker 1: which has also gone International, which is about all the

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00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: different types of intimate partner violence and abuse. So check

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Speaker 1: out that hashtag. Also for in Spanish that dialogue as well. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,

534
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: begging right another great source. So yeah, I mean part

535
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: of this, and we can always go back to this

536
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: idea of like survivorhood being criminalized. Right. And there are

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00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: feminists and women is who for many years have talked

538
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Speaker 1: about the fact that like women, that we have no

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Speaker 1: selves to defend, right, that women of color have no

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Speaker 1: self to defend, especially with regards to like black women

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Speaker 1: and Native women. So if you don't actually, if I

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Speaker 1: don't actually have a body to defend, right, I don't

543
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: have rights, then when my act of self defense is

544
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Speaker 1: going to be read as outright violence or criminality, right,

545
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: because I don't have anything to defend, right, I have

546
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: no autonomy, I have no boundaries. So we must be

547
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Speaker 1: crazy to speak up against power. We must be crazy

548
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: because what rights are we? What rights? It's like we're delusional, right,

549
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: because we're asking for respect in a place that doesn't

550
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Speaker 1: even recognize us as fully human. Right, right, So that's

551
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: why you just we have to keep being loud. That's

552
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: the only option that is the only option really, and

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00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: I mean, especially with all this stuff going on, I

554
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: see really a shift happening. I can feel like the

555
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: cishet men are really scared. They're shook, and they should

556
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: be scared. I want them to be scared, to be yeah,

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00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: I know. I mean like just the other day, um,

558
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: like women came forward and we're talking about James Franco

559
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: Yes and the ship that he was doing at acting schools.

560
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: Apparently that he was going to acting schools and trying

561
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: to get the girls, the women, the students, the actresses

562
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: to exchange sexual favors for movie parts, for movie roles.

563
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: It's disgusting and it's like all these men, over all

564
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: these years, with control of the money, the studios, the

565
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: millions and billions of dollars, the equipment, the means of production.

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Speaker 1: It's so shitty because I'm sure that if those shitty

567
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: men were not there and like women, fems, queer people,

568
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: more people of color had access to all of those

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00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: resources like cinema, the movies, the media that we would

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00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: have now today would be so different. Damn. It's gross

571
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: to me that like rapists have controlled Hollywood for so long,

572
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: like just straight up literally rapists and have controlled all

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00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: the money right right, and like Woody Allen is still

574
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: like doing the damn thing. Roman Polanski is still out there.

575
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: They're all still out there. Harvey Weinstein is still out there.

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00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: I haven't heard of anybody facing criminal charges. You'll hear

577
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: here and there. Oh, you know, the police are investigating

578
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: at the NYPD are investigating Harvey Weinstein, and now they're

579
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: investigating Steven Seagal. But to what ends investigating? And this

580
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 1: is what I want everybody to know. In that in

581
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: my field of work and rape crisis work, what I

582
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: come to learn is that when the police say they're investigating,

583
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: that can mean anything. That can mean, oh, we attempted

584
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: to call the suspect three times and couldn't get an interview,

585
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: will be attempted to investigate. That's really what it means

586
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: to them sometimes. So when we talk about these powerful

587
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: men who have committed all these acts of sexual violence,

588
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: they're being investigated, Well, what then does that really mean? Exactly?

589
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: Exactly mm hmmm. So belief survivors, believe survivors, New year,

590
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: new rules, We're already exhausted. We're already like god, you know,

591
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: keeping a lock, keeping you be your fucking self. Yes,

592
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: keep like pushing the boundaries, always what I say, and

593
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: because you never know what will come of back, because

594
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, people are always watching. People are always watching,

595
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: people are always watching, and you never know. You just

596
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: deciding to be yourself and living your authentic self and

597
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: creating what you want to create, people watch and they're

598
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: drawn to its inspires, Connections are made, new opportunities are

599
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: possible when you're yourself, you know. Yeah, I agree. Well,

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Speaker 1: this has been a cute reentry into like recording and

601
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: coming back in the stew in the studio. First golf

602
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Speaker 1: to beet the love of the year. Yes, we have

603
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Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, we have some announcements. Yes, this

604
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: has been in the works for since like the summer

605
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: maybe summer, and we've been dying to talk about it.

606
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: But the plane tickets have been booked officially, contracts have

607
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: been signed, so we can finally talk about it. UM.

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Speaker 1: We will be at the University of Oregon on February one.

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Speaker 1: In February two, UM, we were invited to speak at

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Speaker 1: their RASSA conference youth conference. Yes exactly, so we will

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Speaker 1: be the keynote, We will be the key note. Look,

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Speaker 1: I thought I is delivering an effing keynote. Yes, we're

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Speaker 1: really excited. We will also be hosting a workshop at

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Speaker 1: the conference and then the day before we're hosting a

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00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: workshop with their Multicultural Center. So if you're in Oregon,

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Speaker 1: you know this is at the University of Oregon in Eugene.

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Speaker 1: We're super super excited to be there. Yes, I see us,

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00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: um say, hi, so excited. This is going to be

619
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: a cute trip. It is because is this our first

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00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: out of state trip. This is our first out of state,

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Speaker 1: our first out of states. We're excited. We did some

622
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: college some college speaking gigs and workshops in Seen and

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Speaker 1: we just want to grow and keep doing it. And

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Speaker 1: we love students, we love universities, bring us out. We

625
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: have a lot to say. Yea, we have some exciting

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Speaker 1: events happening in so you know, we're going to keep

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Speaker 1: those under reps for now, but we're super excited to

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Speaker 1: share that we'll be at the University of Oregon. And

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Speaker 1: I just want to shout out the organizer of it, Onica,

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Speaker 1: She has been reaching out to us, you know, the idea.

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Speaker 1: She brought the idea to us and we were super

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Speaker 1: down and it's been like a while, like many months

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