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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Thursday Morning Podcast. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: to Mary kay Cabot. She's been covering the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: for a long time. They're having a COVID outbreak. Kevin

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Speaker 1: Stefanski Baker Mayfield both test positive. All right, big story

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Speaker 1: out of Jacksonville that a kicker on the Jags said

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Speaker 1: that during a stretching exercise, Urban Meyer came over, swore

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Speaker 1: at him and kicked him. And my takeaway on this

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Speaker 1: is it sounds so egregious. It may be a situation

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Speaker 1: where Shad Khan steps in and gives him the out

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Speaker 1: to fire him. I thought Urban Meyer was going to

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Speaker 1: get a second year. There was a story at Washington

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Speaker 1: where Jimmy Lake was the football coach, and I had

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Speaker 1: some access to some of the top boosters. They wanted

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake out, but they were concerned that they had

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Speaker 1: not given Jimmy Lake more than a year and a half.

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Speaker 1: Half the year was due to the COVID year, and

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Speaker 1: so there was a sensitivity about firing a young coach

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Speaker 1: and the sense that it was unfair. And then Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Lake hit a player and it gave the University of

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Speaker 1: Washington an out. This feels the same with Urban Meyer,

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Speaker 1: that there's an uneasiness within the staff and ownership with

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Speaker 1: Urban and what they needed is an out. This is

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Speaker 1: an easy one for Shad Khan. You're literally kicking a player.

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Speaker 1: It is so juvenile, it is so retrograde, it is

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Speaker 1: so humiliating, It is so wrong that it may give

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars owner a do over, because I do think

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Speaker 1: he was going to give Urban the year, and I

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Speaker 1: do think he was going to give Urban the right

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Speaker 1: to make some changes to his coordinators. But sometimes you

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Speaker 1: get lucky. And remember, owners in the NFL are different

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Speaker 1: than twenty years ago because of tech and the money

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Speaker 1: now that is created virtually overnight for billionaires. I mean

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Speaker 1: billionaires quadrupled their wealth in the last two years with

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Speaker 1: the COVID and the pandemic. That writing a fifty sixty

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Speaker 1: million dollar check. You didn't do that twenty years ago

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Speaker 1: as an owner. You gave a guy an extra year.

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Speaker 1: But owners now are worth twelve billion, eighteen billion, thirty

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Speaker 1: billion dollars. These are rounding airs. I just think if

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Speaker 1: that story is true on Urban Meyer, it gives Shad

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Speaker 1: Khan an absolute out a physical altercation that's so inappropriate.

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Speaker 1: Like Jimmy Lake at Washington, nobody is going to dispute

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Speaker 1: the firing, and the coach himself will have no real

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Speaker 1: leg to stand on. That was not a pun, although

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Speaker 1: it sounded like one. You know, I love college football,

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Speaker 1: pro mobility. I've moved several times. I am for mobility.

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Speaker 1: I'm for the empowerment of young athletes here at the volume,

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Speaker 1: I employ Price Young, I employ inside the garage, Kyle

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Speaker 1: Hamilton and three other notre dame football players. I am

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Speaker 1: four name image likeness. I am for the transfer portal,

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Speaker 1: I am four players making money, and I am four

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Speaker 1: mobility coaches, players, executives, athletic directors, everybody. But the idea

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Speaker 1: I kind of shake my head at it. Listen, think

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Speaker 1: of all the restrictions a professional athlete has their salary caps.

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Speaker 1: even Lebron or Kevin Durant. They can be traded at

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Speaker 1: Right now, college players have more mobility than professional athletes

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Speaker 1: from yourself regulation oversight. Wall Street has it, Silicon Valley

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Speaker 1: football player, a college basketball player has more mobility than

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Speaker 1: think that's very important. I hear this a lot. Well,

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly can go anywhere we want to make a

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Speaker 1: and they can make lots of money too. But Bryan

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban is more important than Bryce Young, Mike Schevsky

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Speaker 1: important when it comes to income, called scarcity. They're probably

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban, Dabo Sweeney. Scarcity equals leverage, power and money.

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Speaker 1: are overwhelmingly replaceable. Nick Saban's really not. Clemson was invisible

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Speaker 1: they just are either naive or forget that time equals leverage,

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Speaker 1: get spun. And as I watched Odell Beckham look completely

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Speaker 1: mary kay comfortable against Arizona on Monday. He had seven

427
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: eight targets, he had six seven catches, He had a

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00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: touchdown for the third straight game. He looked really, really comfortable.

429
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: He beat man coverage, he was open multiple times. I

430
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: don't think it. It doesn't the esthetics are poor. How

431
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: does the OBJ thing? Because when his father came out,

432
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: there were Cleveland players that backed OBJ, I mean, like

433
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: liked him on Instagram. OBJ, as you know, has always

434
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: been an incredibly popular player in the National Football League

435
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: among players. Do you think it felt Monday? As I watched,

436
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: In my thought, it's one thing to be Stefon Diggs

437
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: and go from productive to super productive. It's another to

438
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: go from not remotely productive to really quickly productive. The

439
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: optics are bad to me. Does it feel like that

440
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: to you at all? In Cleveland? Well, it was just

441
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: a bad fit. It was just it was just bad

442
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: karma and a bad fit almost from the start, right,

443
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: he didn't want to come here. He didn't want to

444
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: be traded. He felt that Dave Gettlman sent him here

445
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 1: to die. We know that. You know. The one thing

446
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: he had going for him coming here was that his

447
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: best friend Jarvis was here and they you know, they

448
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: talked a good game about wanting to win a Super

449
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: Bowl together here. But it just wasn't good right from

450
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: the start. He did not want to come here. For

451
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: the offseason program in his first year, Baker and O'Dell

452
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: did not practice together that whole entire offseason. That did

453
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: not help matters at all. But O'Dell had to wrap

454
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: his brain around leaving New York and coming to Cleveland,

455
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: leaving all of his friends, really good friends, say Quon

456
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: and Sterling and everybody, and leaving the city of New

457
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: York to come to Cleveland, right, I mean, think about that.

458
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: That that was very, very difficult on him emotionally, and

459
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: it took such a toll on him that he was

460
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: not himself for a long time that whole first year.

461
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: Then he lands in you know, Freddie Kitchen's world. I mean,

462
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: it was just so dysfunctional. I mean it was completely dysfunctional.

463
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: The quarterback room was over there, the receiver room was

464
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: over here, and i mean it's just, you know, it

465
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: just it was not a fit. But they got through it,

466
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, Jarvis and Odell, they got through that weird

467
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: year and they all worked through it. And then when

468
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski came in, he made the very smart move

469
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: of making dlle Beckham junior field special field valued let

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Speaker 1: him know that, you know, we are going to do

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00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: everything we can to get the ball in your hands

472
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: and we know what you are and this is things

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00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: are going to change. And they really did try to

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00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: do that. They did try to do that, but there

475
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: was still sort of a that's when Baker Mayfield didn't

476
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: really know the offense yet, Kevin Stepanski didn't really know

477
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: how to use him correctly in the beginning of the season,

478
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: and it still just wasn't a fit. And that's when

479
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, O'Dell suffered the torn acl So once again,

480
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: it was just you know, bad negative sort of vibes

481
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: going on with Odell and Cleveland, and he really tried.

482
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: He really tried, because there were some really good things here.

483
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the players are amazing. There's a lot

484
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: of really good guys on the team. Odell would take

485
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: those young guys under his wing, teach them everything that

486
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: he knew. Like you said, Odell is very popular in

487
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: the locker room. I'm as hard to beat in the

488
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: locker room. He gives these guys headphones and Nike's cleats

489
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: and shoes and sneakers, and you know what I mean,

490
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: he really is. You know, he's a you know, he's

491
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: a gym rat, guys guy, players player, you know. I mean,

492
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: he's fun to be around. He dances at practice, gets

493
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: everybody going. So so it certainly wasn't like players did

494
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: not like Odell. It's just that there was just it

495
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: just didn't go well. It just did not go up

496
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: the acl. I mean, who knows how that season would

497
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: have gone. Maybe it would have gotten better, maybe not,

498
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: But that wipes him out for that season and then

499
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: coming back this year, you know, it it got weird.

500
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean it just got weird. And if you look

501
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: at all the times that he has produced only yardage

502
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: in only the twenties when he was in Cleveland. The

503
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: number is staggering. It was like once every I don't know,

504
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember the math right now, but he had

505
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: yardage in the twenties all the time in Cleveland, and

506
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: he only had that happen three times in fifty nine

507
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: games in New York. In Cleveland, it was just constant

508
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: lack of production. Then it turned into lack of targets.

509
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: And I went to the you know, the Chargers game,

510
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: and I watched him after the game, and he had

511
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: he had a lot of friends there. He had family

512
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: members that had a field side suite and he had

513
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, his mom was there, his dad was there,

514
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: his girlfriend was there. He had all kinds of NBA

515
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: players stopping by. This was before the game, and he

516
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: wanted to put on a show. Lebron was there. I mean,

517
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: it was Odell time, and I think he may have

518
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: got he dropped a pass early. He was pretty hyped up.

519
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: He dropped a pass early and Baker law. I think

520
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: Baker lost trust in Odell's ability to catch the ball

521
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: for him, and they just didn't have some kind of connection.

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00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: One of my theories is the fact that I think

523
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: sometimes when you have a player that has played his

524
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: whole entire career with one quarterback, like Odell did with Eli,

525
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: I think there was an adjustment period, or I thought

526
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: there was an adjustment period to Baker. Now that I'm

527
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: seeing him with Matt Stafford, now I'm thinking, Okay, well,

528
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: that theory kind of goes out the window. It was

529
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: just a disconnect between Baker and Odell. And he sat

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00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: on a bench after that game with his head down.

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00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: And it was a road trip and he can't really

532
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: spend too much time, you know, hanging out on the field,

533
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: but he did. He just sat there with his head

534
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: down on that field, and I knew then that it

535
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: was basically over. But it was over that he knew

536
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: that this was not going to get better for him,

537
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: and so it didn't surprise me as they went along,

538
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: and you know, in the next week and what happened happened.

539
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: But it just and you know, the other thing, real

540
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: quick is that they tried. These two tried to make

541
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: it work. This offseason. They spent time together. You know,

542
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: Baker's wife got to know Odell's girlfriend. Odell did things

543
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: he usually wasn't doing the offseason, like go to Austin,

544
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: Texas for Camp Mayfield. I mean that's not Odell. I

545
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: mean he's usually all over the country. But he did it,

546
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: and he tried, and Baker tried. Odell also went out

547
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: to Montana with you know, Baker and Jarvis and Austin

548
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: Hooper in just a couple of guys and on Memorial

549
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: Day weekend before the season. So they made an effort

550
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: to develop this relationship and it just didn't work on

551
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: the field. And now I think you can see that

552
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: Odell is the amazing receiver that we thought he was.

553
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: He is still that. Yeah, if you know, sometimes I'll

554
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: go down kind of the rabbit hole of Cleveland Brown

555
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: Twitter because I do like to hear local radio and

556
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: how kind of the perspective in kind of the belly

557
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: of the beast. And I think in the last six

558
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: weeks I've been the more moderate voice on some of

559
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: this stuff. There's been a lot of negative Mayfield reaction

560
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: by talk show hosts and media. So give me a

561
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: little update today. If you if you did a straw

562
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: poll on you took twenty people in the Cleveland sports media,

563
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: where do they stand on Mayfield today? You know, I

564
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: think that I think it would probably be divided right now,

565
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: maybe probably right down the middle. I mean, it's easier

566
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: to get a gauge on how fans feel, and I

567
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: think that that's probably about fifty fifty now too. I

568
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, I think about fifty At least fifty

569
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: percent of fans are still one hundred percent in Baker

570
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: mayboth corner. But I do sense that. I mean it's grown,

571
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, to about fifty percent wondering what if he

572
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: is the guy anymore? And some people like really climbing

573
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: off the bandwagon. But I think that is why Baker

574
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: Mayfield has taken the gloves off a little bit to say, hey, look,

575
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: we're getting conservative in certain situations. I think he's saying

576
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm hurt, you know. I mean he's tough as nails, Okay,

577
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: moping about Baker Mayfield. Nobody can ever argue with this

578
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield. He is tough as nails, never wants

579
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: to come out for a play, never wants to miss

580
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: a game. I know this is killing him that he

581
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: is probably going to sit out this game, and unless

582
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: he gets some kind of a Christmas miracle, he's not

583
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: going to be going to be able to play against

584
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and I know that's killing him because he

585
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: wanted to come back and get this team into the playoffs.

586
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: And he had a better game against against the Ravens,

587
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: at least in the first half. And then again he

588
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: feels like the second half he's trying to tell people

589
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't me. We got conservative, right, Like I wanted

590
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: to score twenty points in the second half. So I

591
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: think now he's trying to say, you know, look, and

592
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not beating the drum too loudly about

593
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But I think he's trying to explain

594
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: why some things have gone for him the way they

595
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: have this season. Yeah, he's defending himself. He's defending his brand,

596
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: his personality. He has a right to do that. When

597
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: I go down that Cleveland Brown rabbit hole twitter hole,

598
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: which is a pretty vile, over emotional place, I see

599
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: now people questioning Kevin Stefanski's game plans. I think he's

600
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: a really bright young guy. I think he feels like

601
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: the right fit. I think there's a certain stature and

602
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: confidence about him. I really like he's stoic when need

603
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: be very word efficient at the podium, He's just a

604
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: really bright guy. Interviewed Zach Taylor about a month ago.

605
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: And Zach and Stefanski are really bright guys. They know

606
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: what not to say as much as they do what

607
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: to say. Where's the support with him? It's fairly predictable,

608
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: Mary kay that you know, the coach is easier to

609
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: fire than the quarterback is to find. So if there's

610
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: a struggle, you know, we got to get rid of

611
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: Joe Judge when Daniel Zones is probably the issue. Right,

612
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: where do fans sit? I know the media is pro Stefanski,

613
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: but where do fans sit on Stefanski? Now? You know,

614
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: I do get a lot of you know, emails and

615
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: you know tweets, messages and all that kind of stuff

616
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: that people do seem to have a problem with the

617
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: play calling, and I think it resonated with fans. When

618
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: Baker said we got conservative. I had so many people,

619
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, on Twitter and everywhere else saying He's right,

620
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: they did get conservative. And why do they do this?

621
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: Why do that? Some of what they have had to

622
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: do this season has been by necessity. Baker's that's right. Injuries, right,

623
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, you don't want to make

624
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: excuses for a football team, right, but really, this football team,

625
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: there has been no continuity all season long. On the

626
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. Odell's gone, Jarvis has been hurt.

627
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: Jarvis is not himself this season. Jarvis has not been himself.

628
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: They're left tackle Jed Wills has not been himself most

629
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: of the season. Their right tackle is out for the season.

630
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: You know, Richard Higgins fell off the map. You know,

631
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: it just it was just a weird season. Kareem Hunt

632
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: has been out for much of the season. Now, if

633
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: you put all those pieces back together, then I think

634
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski calls a more aggressive game plan. Yes, yeah, yeah,

635
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: you can do that when you know you can take

636
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: a few more shots down field, when you have two

637
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: solid offensive tackles there for you, and when you've got

638
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: your weapons. I mean, they haven't had a deep threat

639
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: since Odell Beckham Junior left Okay, a speedy they haven't

640
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: had that, And I mean that's just it's just a fact.

641
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: You can look out there and see that it's not there.

642
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: They would have used Anthony Schwartz in that regard, even

643
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: though he's a rookie and he's you know, he's kind

644
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: of raw. And he was set back by hamstring injury. Still,

645
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you can take that speed and throw him

646
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: on a go route and at least have some thing

647
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: that can stretch a defense. Well they don't have that. Yeah,

648
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: they don't have that. So you can you can stack

649
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: that box and you can force Baker Mayfield to try

650
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: to h you know, to try to throw and make

651
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: him beat you. I think there have been extenuating circumstances

652
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: for him this year, and I do think that it

653
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: is hard to get a real true evaluation on what

654
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: he's all about. Listen, I think they're going to beat

655
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Steelers in Pittsburgh, and the Bengals. I

656
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: think they probably lose at Lambeau, and I you know,

657
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like they're going to wiggle their

658
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: way in. But to your point, I suggested a couple

659
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: of weeks ago to give Baker the the Ravens game off,

660
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: use a buy and the Ravens and just let the

661
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: kid be healthy. Um, And I don't think there's a

662
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: significant drop off with case Keenum. I think Baker has

663
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: a faster release, a better arm, and he's better than

664
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: case Keenum. But there it's it's the Vegas market has

665
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: said it's about one and a half points. It's it's not,

666
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: it's not. Jordan loved Aaron Rodgers, Um, how do you

667
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: force see the season ending again? I think they're going

668
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: to be a nine and eight team. They're going to

669
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: be on the bubble with the Colts Raiders. Feels like

670
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: a W Packers, feels like an L. But if you

671
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: had to guess, where are you now with this team? Well,

672
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I thought, and I wrote heading into on Monday after

673
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: that victory over the Ravens, I wrote that I thought

674
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: they had a decent chance of making the playoffs because

675
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: their defense has come alive. The defense has found its

676
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: takeaway game. They've gotten eight interceptions and three fumble recoveries

677
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: in their last five games. You've got Miles Garrett playing

678
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: with his hair on fire. You've got Denzel Ward having

679
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl season. Now, I think, yeah, he's great.

680
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah he's doing he's doing really really well. You've got

681
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: now you've got Jeremiah Olusu Coromoa kind of wreaking havoc

682
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: on every play with just you know, some great speed

683
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: and blitzing and doing some great things. So the defense

684
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: has really come together, and I thought on Monday that

685
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: absolutely one that they would beat the Raiders. I thought

686
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: they would go to Green Bay and probably lose that game,

687
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: but you know, make it a little bit tough and

688
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: give Aaron a little bit of a game with some

689
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: of these guys that they can get all this pressure with.

690
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: And then I thought that, you know, the Steelers, that's

691
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: one where I looked at that one and I thought,

692
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: it's Ben Roethlisberger's last game in Hinesfield, and if that

693
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: whole team pulls together and gives him the upper send

694
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: off that he deserves, that's going to be an emotional,

695
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: emotional game in Hinesfield. And you've got you still have,

696
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of really good guys on that defense,

697
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: if they're healthy and they're playing, You've got t J. Watt,

698
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: Cam Hayward, make a fitz Patrick, Joe Hayden. I mean,

699
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: if those guys really come to play and have Ben's back,

700
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: that could be a difficult out for the Cleveland Browns.

701
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: But so that's when I wondered about a little bit.

702
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: But still, you should be able to beat Ben Roethlisberger

703
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: with the guys that the Browns have on defense right now,

704
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: and then they match up pretty well against the Bengals,

705
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: unless they do unless Jamar Chase comes to play. Jamar

706
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: Guy totally rattled by Denzel Awards ninety nine yard pick

707
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: six in that game, and he, I mean, he just

708
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: couldn't get himself back in the game and he did

709
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: nothing in that football game. They completely took him out

710
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: of the game. Now, if he is mentally, if he's

711
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: more mature now and isn't going to get rattled by

712
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: something like that, and Joe and Jamar get it going

713
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: and Joe Mixon has himself a game, you know, then

714
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: you know they can make that talk. But I still

715
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: think the Browns generally match up pretty well against the

716
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: Bengals and should be able to win that one. So

717
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: I feel like you do, or I felt like you

718
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: do on Monday that the defense could kind of carry

719
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: them and sneak them into the playoffs. But now things

720
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: have gotten really bad over the last two days here,

721
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: and now I'm not one hundred percent certain that they

722
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: can beat the Raiders. I still think they should be

723
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: able to because I mean, they still have Miles Garrett,

724
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: they still have Denzel, at least at least today they do.

725
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: We don't know who they're going to have by tomorrow,

726
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: and this game is not getting postponed. It's just not so.

727
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: They still got Miles, they still have Denzel, they still

728
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: have Grant Delpit. You know, they still have a pretty

729
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: good and very deep defense. The offense, I think, you know,

730
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: it can be tough to not have your three, three

731
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: of your starting offensive linemen against the Raiders can do

732
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: one thing very well, and that is pressure the quarterback.

733
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: With Max Crosby and Yannick Nagakaway, they can get there

734
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,479
Speaker 1: and they can make life tough. So you know, there's

735
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: no guarantees now that the Browns are going to win

736
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: this game, but I still think they should win it,

737
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: and I still think they have a chance to somehow

738
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: sneak into the playoffs. Finally, Mary Kay covering the Browns

739
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: is not a typical beat You know, I always call

740
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: it low sports self esteem. When when a market gets

741
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: beaten down for years and years and years, when they

742
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: smell or get a glimpse or a taste of just

743
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: any level of success, of the loyalty, the delusion, the

744
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: passion just comes pouring out. And you know, the expectations

745
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: were pretty high this year and they've not lived up

746
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: to them. Is covering this team now that they've had

747
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: a little success more difficult because the expectations are higher.

748
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: What has it been like for you personally? No, I

749
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's more difficult because the expectations are higher.

750
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen it all in my whatever thirty

751
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: some years of covering this football team. I've seen everything,

752
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: and I just I kind of flatlined through it all.

753
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: It just it doesn't really phase me. I mean it's actually,

754
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, in some ways, it's you know, it's it's

755
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: easier to cover some of the drama and the craziness.

756
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I probably because I'm so used to it.

757
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how to act when when they're winning

758
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: football games. And I used to think, jeez, it's it

759
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: must be pretty boring to cover the Patriots. I mean

760
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: there's nobody. Nobody's floating around on a swan. I mean,

761
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, what's going on up there? Right?

762
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: But um, but no, I I don't, you know, I

763
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: really don't get emotionally involved with with covering the team,

764
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: even though I'm from here, and uh, you know, it

765
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: might seem like you would get you know ingrained and

766
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: all of that, but um, you know, I just roll

767
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: with the punches and you know, the good, the bad,

768
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: and the ugly. The only thing that I will say

769
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: about that, though, is I feel for the fans like

770
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: you would not believe. That's who I care about. I

771
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: care about every time I go to the stadium and

772
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: I look out and I see those fans. They need

773
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 1: the joy, they need the happiness. These are the long

774
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: suffering Clue Browns fans that deserve a winner. They finally

775
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: deserve a super Bowl. And that's what I care about.

776
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: What a pleasure. Love the updates. I think it's It's

777
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: been a fascinating turn by the fans and by a

778
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: lot of the media on Baker. I just I kind

779
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: of as an observer, I find it. I don't read

780
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: all my social responses, but it was very negative to

781
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: moderately negative. To now I get regular support from Cleveland.

782
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: You may have been right, and to that, I say,

783
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: it's not about being right, it's about getting it right.

784
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: And I do think they have a really lively roster,

785
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: but between COVID and injuries, I think they're I think

786
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: they're battling the cults for a playoff spot. I think

787
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: they're more talented than the cults. But that's just part

788
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: of the equation in this sport. I mean, you know it,

789
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: so much of this sport is attrition and they're falling apart.

790
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. Yeah, And the truth

791
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: of the ad is, I mean, if they can go

792
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: out and pull off this victory, and of course, the

793
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: thing to remember is that when so many guys are

794
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: being put on the list this late in the week,

795
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: you don't even know if they're going to be back

796
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: for the Christmas Day game against the Packers. I mean,

797
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of guys that go on a list,

798
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: it takes about ten days to get cleared from the

799
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: COVID list, so who knows who is even going to

800
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: be available for that game. But if they can somehow

801
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: pull off this victory, then I think they have to

802
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: just keep going and do not stop, and somehow get

803
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: themselves into the playoffs and see what they can make happen.

804
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: Mary Kay, have a merry Christmas, Happy holidays for you

805
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: and your fam. Continue to success. You do great work.

806
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: I've read it for years, and thank you again for

807
00:47:50,760 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: coming on. Thanks for having me. The volume