1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Last month was a critical 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: turning point when Kayleen once again took Christopher to the hospital, 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: claiming he was having a seizure. The medical staff did 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: not believe her and again called investigators. This time, Child 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Protective Services took action. The arrest warrant states that when 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Christopher was removed from his mother's care, he was wearing 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: an IV and using oxygen. According to Kayleen's arrest warrant, 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: once he was away from her, Christopher began eating regularly 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: and needed no IV or oxygen assistance. In fact, they 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: say Christopher while in the hospital was playing most of 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: the time. He could have died and only God saved him. 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: You're hearing from our friends at NBC today. Wow, listen 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: to this thirteen unnecessary surgeries. I'm still whining about my 14 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: knee surgery. Thirteen unnecessary surgeries. And if that's not enough, 15 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: have you ever been in the hospital. Do you not 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: hate it? I hate the smell of it, I hate 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: everything about it. I think people go there to die. 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: No offense to all the doctors on the panel this morning. 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: I have horrible memories of it, my dad passing away 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: there three hundred and twenty three hospital visits for a 21 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: healthy little boy. He's just turned ten, so how many 22 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: years of his childhood? Probably since he was a baby, 23 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: as he had three hundred twenty three hospital visits trying 24 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: to get a lung transplant, admitting him to a hospice 25 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: during the first eight years of his life, thirteen surgeries 26 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: and he's perfectly healthy. Okay, I'm not gonna be happy 27 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: until somebody goes to jail. I mean, I see Grace 28 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: this describing stories. Thank you for being with us, with 29 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: me an all star panel, and I mean that from 30 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: the bottom of my heart. Doctor Brian Russell, lawyer's psychologist, 31 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: host of investigation Discoveries, hit series Fatal Vows, renowned defense 32 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: attorney in the Tristate area. Joining us today Oudam, New York, 33 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: Jason Oceans, Steve Lampley, Ace detective doctor William Moroney, Michigan 34 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: medical examiner, author of American Narcan on Amazon. It's awesome. 35 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: But first to Levi Page Crime online dot Com investigative 36 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: reporter Levi, who is Killeen Bowen? Who is this person? 37 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: She's a thirty five year old mother in Texas that 38 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: was the mother of this eight year old little Christopher 39 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: that she mistreated horribly, according to prosecutors. Well, well, back 40 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: it up, back it up, back it up. This all 41 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: started when he was just eight days old. Eight days 42 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: to talk to William Maroney, who not only is a 43 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: renown medical examiner and author of American Narcan, but now 44 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: tooling around the region in a giant bus trying to 45 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: help opioid addicts. I mean, when you've got a degree 46 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: like his and a career like his, and you are 47 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: still bending over backwards, motivated by your faith to help 48 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: other people, you know, I'm just a big fat loser 49 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: compared to you, Maroney. Let's just start right there. That 50 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: said doctor William Maroney, eight days old. Here's what you 51 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: have in Munchhausen's syndrome. That's a medical term we've used 52 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: for people who inflict the punishment to theirselfs. They're looking 53 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: for attention in Munchhausen by proxy, people inflict punishment or 54 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: fake disease in a family member or somebody they give 55 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: care to, and putting them out for medical treatment and 56 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: clinical evaluation and doctor's visits gives the parents some reward. 57 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: They're looking for attention. Well, you know what, you're putty 58 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: perfume on the pig because in my mind, doctor William Moroney, 59 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: if a doctor, no offense to you. Doctors, Doctor Moroni, 60 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: don't know how in the Hey hubl how a doctor 61 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: could not figure out there was nothing wrong with this 62 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: child and just went along with the mom. I mean, frankly, 63 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: I think the doctors ought to be thrown in the 64 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: same pot to stew. Take a listen to the father, 65 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 1: Ryan Crawford started eight days after who was born. Every 66 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: time that he would drink milk, he would he would 67 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 1: throw it up. So she says, it really just didn't 68 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: make sense because I never saw him throw up any milk. 69 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: She started explaining to the judge that the doctors stated 70 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: that my son would never walk, and then she stated 71 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: that he had problems continuing to eat and that he's 72 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: going to need a feeding two. I was horrified because 73 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: from what I knew, my son was fine. The issues 74 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: escalated to eventually she claimed that my son was dying. 75 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: I put myself at blame for the simple fact that 76 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: if I was there from the very beginning for my 77 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: son he had to go through these issues, he could 78 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: have died and only God saved him. Well, I hate 79 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: to kick a guy when he's down. I really do. 80 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: But he's probably right. If the father had been on 81 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: the scene and more involved with the child, he may 82 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: have been able to stop this. I don't really know 83 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: about that because to doctor Brian Russell, not just lawyer, 84 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: but psychologists and host of Id's Fatal Vows, this mother 85 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 1: was hell bent on treating this child this way, insisting, 86 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: insisting that he had all these serious elements, even putting 87 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: him on a feeding tube. I'm gonna have to circle 88 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: back to Maroney on that, but take a listen to 89 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: this before you weigh in, doctor Russell. It started when 90 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: she was pregnant, and she would call me at all 91 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: times a night, normally three, four or five o'clock in 92 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: the morning, and explained to me that she's in the hospital. 93 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: One particular time I remember is that she called me 94 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: and stated that she had one hundred and ten degree 95 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: temperature for the last seven days, and I didn't believe it. 96 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: I didn't even hear anyone in the hospital, you know. 97 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: I was trying to see if I could hear anything 98 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: in the background. It was just quiet, and at that 99 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: particular time, I don't have the evidence that we have now, 100 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: so I kind of just played it off like whatever, Okay, 101 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: well wait a minute, doctor, so I gotta get to 102 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: you regarding what's going on in her brain. But doctor Moroney, 103 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know a person could have one hundred and 104 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: ten degree fever. It's impossible, right Why it just hit 105 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: me right then what she called the husband and guys, 106 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: I got to defend the husband after I just said 107 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: the father he should have been there. He actually tried, 108 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: Jackie's correct to me. He tried to be there. The 109 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: mother blocked him. She even went to court and had 110 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: a judge block the father from seeing the son as 111 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: much as he wanted to. You're right, Jackie, I recall 112 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 1: that now. So I can't really get on the father 113 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: that much because he even went to court trying to 114 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: see his son. More So, Dad, you get credit for 115 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: trying one hundred and ten degrees. Doctor Bryant Russell, what 116 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: she started all this when she was pregnant. I mean, 117 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: help me out. You're the shrink. So I think the 118 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: most important thing that we need to all understand is that, well, 119 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 1: this clearly is not a mentally healthy woman who wants 120 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: to do something like this. This disorder that we're talking 121 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: about is not the type of disorder that forces anybody 122 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: to do anything. These women who engage in this, I'm 123 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: not trying to be discriminatory, but it just statistically it is, 124 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: they absolutely go to all kinds of effort to conceal 125 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: what they're doing, and so they absolutely are aware that 126 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: these illnesses are fake. They're aware that their children are 127 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: sustaining all kinds of damage, physical and psychological, and they 128 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: absolutely go right ahead and do it anyway because of 129 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: what's in it for them, which is definitely emotional in 130 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: the form of all the attention and sympathy they get. 131 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's also financial. Sometimes they get donations and all 132 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: kinds of free services and stuff from sympathetic people. And 133 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: so this is absolutely not the kind of thing that 134 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: should ever form the basis of an insanity defense, because 135 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: these people know what they're doing and they go right 136 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: ahead and do it anyway. You know, to Jason Oceans, 137 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: you're the defense attorney, did you hear what doctor Brian 138 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: Russell just said? This is not like some delusion. For 139 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: every time I opened the door, I think the devil 140 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: is standing there that you know, some kind of a 141 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: psychotic delusion or vision or auditory hallucination, This is not 142 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: a compulsion where you have to do it. You can't 143 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: stop yourself from doing it. I remember one definite, nothing 144 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: would do until he pulled his eye out. They tried, 145 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: they tried, they tried to stop him. Of course, he 146 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: had murdered his girlfriend and pulled her eyes out. That 147 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: was a big indicator that something was way wrong. But hey, 148 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: he had to do it. It was the compulsion and 149 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: no matter what you did, he was going to do it, 150 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: all right. Not so, according to doctor Brian Russell. Would 151 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: these nut job moms that torture their children pretending they're 152 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: ill so they can get the attention. I'm so mad. 153 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: I could chew and nail and half. Jason Ojans, what's 154 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: your defense. I think if you chew the nail and 155 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: half that might be a Munchausen by proxy as well 156 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: as your tooth comes out. But I'm h and again 157 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: mostly women, there are some men involved in this. It's 158 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: it's a cry out for for something. Obviously there's something wrong, 159 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: as the doctor says, and that compulsive need to grab 160 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: attention or in many cases in this situation where people 161 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: are actually raising money and using that and using the 162 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: you know the threat of illness for their child as 163 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: a basis for being a you know, fraudster. Um. So 164 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm just sort of wondering, after so many times and 165 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: records of this child, did anyone correlate the fact that 166 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: he had been attending all these hospitals all the time. 167 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, to me, there's some negligence on their part 168 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: as well. What are the medical any you know, three 169 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty three times in the Dallas and Houston 170 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: area in just seven years and and thirteen surgeries. I mean, 171 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: someone should have been calling out on this way before, 172 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, this continued to add none of the crime stories. 173 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, I heard her scream once and there 174 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: was more screen, but like a kind of horror film, 175 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: just like a startled screen. And she called out to 176 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: my name about three or four times. And at that 177 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: point I wanted to go help her so bad, but 178 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: I was so a free to get up. It's like 179 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: my body when you move. And then everything just went quiet. 180 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: That's from ABC's twenty twenty. Gypsy Rose Blanchard's mother, d 181 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: d had been murdered in her own home after years 182 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: and years of abusing her little girl, Gypsy Rose, pretending 183 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: she was disabled, chronically ill, having all of her teeth 184 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: pulled out, having a feeding chube, a feeding bag put 185 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: into her daughter. It was a sensational, sensational case, and 186 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: people end up in jail and a dead body because 187 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: of Munchhausen by proxy. And that is what we're talking 188 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: about right now in the case of this mom, Kayleeen 189 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: Bowen right joining me Levipage Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. 190 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: It all started really in the pregnancy where Killeene Bowen 191 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: Wright caused her husband says she got one hundred and 192 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: ten degree fever, which, as Maroni tells us, is actually impossible. 193 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: It starts then, but then when does it start with 194 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: the child? LEVI immediately Nancy, the father says that she 195 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: would say that he was not eating, he was not 196 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: drinking his milk, that he couldn't walk and he couldn't crawl, 197 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: that he was going to be disabled for the rest 198 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: of his life. And the father was thinking, I'm not 199 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: noticing any of these symptoms that she is describing. And 200 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: here is what is so tragic. She did not let 201 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: him see the child, and he had taken her to court, 202 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: and she was saying that he was like a deadbeat 203 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: dad was not there for the child when he was sick, 204 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: and the judge would scold him, and he described in 205 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: one case that he tried to bring it to the 206 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: judge's attention that this could all possibly be a scam 207 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: because she was going into family court and saying my 208 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: child is almost dead. He's dying. And the judge looked 209 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: at the father and said, how dare you drag this 210 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: woman to court to to modify custody when the child 211 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: is dying and you're not there for the child. And 212 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: that's the tragic aspect of this case, the way that 213 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: the father was treated by the judicial system. I can't 214 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: actually pick out which is the most tragic aspect of this, 215 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: but take a listen to this. He had a feeding 216 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: tube inserted, used oxygen, and took seizure medication. CPS also 217 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: found bow and Wright cut her son's hair and posted 218 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: this picture of him in the Makeaways shirt, claiming he 219 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: had cancer. Every single time we went to court, she 220 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: would say that my son was dying the next day. 221 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: During a trip to Dallas Children's Medical Center last month, 222 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: staff paget to suspect bowen Wright might be trying to 223 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: induce her son to have seizures and called CPS, which 224 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: took custody of Christopher and his siblings. No one wants 225 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: to believe me until it was almost too late. He 226 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: almost died three different times due to infections from the 227 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: thirteen different surgeries. So he has a long road ahead 228 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: of him, and I hate that he had to cope that. 229 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate it so much. I talked 230 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: to an attorney tonight who represented Ryan Crawford back in 231 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. She said, back then she collected hundreds of 232 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: medical records showing that there was nothing wrong with Christopher, 233 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: But she said the judge in the case refused to 234 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: read those records or listen to their side of the story. 235 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: She says she remembers it clearly because, in her words, 236 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: it was the biggest flaw in the judicial system that 237 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: she had ever personally experienced. You're hearing our friends at CBS, 238 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: as reporter Andrea Lucia with the dad Ryan Crawford, who 239 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: goes to court fighting to get his son, the son 240 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: almost died from all of these needless surgeries. You know 241 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: what to you, doctor William Moroney. I was about to 242 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: come bring the hammer down on the judge, but she 243 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: also treatd hospitals and doctors as well. How did she 244 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: do that, doctor Moroney? Well, there's two things that play here. 245 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: Or the first thing is nobody wants to disbelieve a 246 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: mother bringing in a child claiming the child sick. And 247 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: the second thing, which is more nefarious, the hospitals and 248 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: the doctors all got paid. They got paid to do 249 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: what they were doing. So to stop it. I mean, 250 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: there's some motivation here, and it wasn't to find the truth. 251 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: It was admit them, put them in three, four or 252 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: five days, collect the insurance money bill Medicaid, take the money. Oh, 253 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: let them go home and then we'll follow up. That's terrible, Nancy. 254 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: Can I weigh in on that jump in? This is 255 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: doctor Russell, I think I don't think there are very 256 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: many of our colleagues out there who would go to 257 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: great lengths to treat a healthy baby, knowing that the 258 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: baby was healthy, for the reimbursement money. Unfortunately, there are 259 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: enough real patients out there all the time that I 260 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: don't think many of our colleagues Needer want to do that. 261 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: I think what happens sometimes these mothers actually poison the kids, 262 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: as I think happened in the gypsy Rose Blancher case, 263 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: and they create symptoms. Other times they come in and 264 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: they very convincingly, these are sophisticated sociopaths. They come in 265 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: and they very convincingly report seizure symptoms. They research it 266 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: on Google. They come in and say, oh my god, 267 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 1: every night I'm having to run in their bedroom at night, 268 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: and they have doing this and doing that. And so 269 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: you know, when the kids a baby and can't speak 270 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: for itself and the mother is reporting this and she 271 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: seems genuine, you can understand for a while how the 272 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: medical professionals do get fooled. Now, where I draw the 273 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: line though, is when we start seeing surgeries, because when 274 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: you do surgery, you're supposed to have a target, something 275 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: that you've identified on some kind of testing or imaging 276 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: or something that you're going after to fix. And when 277 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing, then you know, I question, how do you 278 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: go in thirteen times when there's nothing? Now, maybe she 279 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: created some symptoms, maybe she poisoned, maybe she oaks and bones. 280 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's where I think, Okay, how 281 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: did we go in at thirteen times physically with nothing wrong? 282 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: When you say thirteen times, well, first back to what 283 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: Maroney said, they did get paid. Now, doctor Brian Russell 284 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: is saying he doesn't know any doctors that would perform 285 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: surgeries unneeded on a little child. But the reality and 286 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: they may not have intended to do anything to fairies, 287 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: but the reality is is that Maroney is also right. 288 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: They did do the surgeries and they did get paid. 289 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, by the time this little 290 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: boy was just eight, he had already undergone thirteen major surgeries, 291 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: all unnecessary, confining this little boy to a wheelchair. Why 292 00:18:52,080 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: because of Mommy. I have dedicated my life to crime victims, 293 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: to giving a voice to those who can no longer 294 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: speak for themselves. And that is why I work with 295 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: Oxygen to create a new show in Justice. With Nancy Grace, 296 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: we investigate cases that I believe never got it right, 297 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: from wrongly accused to botched investigations, to unclear motives to 298 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: unjust sentences. I don't just cover cases. I solve them. 299 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: I put my heart and soul in it. Dig deep, 300 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: look at the background, at the crime scene, at the families, 301 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: at the witnesses. I look at every tiny detail because 302 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: what matters to me is justice. Join us in our 303 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: search for the Truth Injustice with Nancy Grace. Watch now 304 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: on demand and every Saturday at six five Central only 305 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: on Oxygen, The True Network for Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 306 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: A CBS investigation found Kayleen bowen Right was bouncing between 307 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 1: hospitals here and in Houston looking for doctors willing to 308 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: treat her son. The state agency believes this is a 309 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 1: case of munch child and by proxy, where a parent 310 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: either fakes or creates a child's symptoms in order to 311 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: get attention or some other personal benefits. The problem started 312 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: shortly after Christopher was born. She claimed that he had 313 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: issues drinking milk. I never saw those issues, Ryan Crawford 314 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: says his son's mother, Kayleene bowen Wright, surprised about a 315 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: custody hearing with news of serious health issues, crying, saying 316 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: that Christopher is never going to walk and that we 317 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: need to you know that I need to learn how 318 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: to take care of a disabled child. A report from 319 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: Child Protective Services shows the now eight year old has 320 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: visited the doctor three hundred and twenty three times and 321 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: undergone six major surgeries. That's just hurting me to hear it. 322 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: That's from our friend Angea Lucia at CBS three hundred 323 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: twenty three doctors, visits multiple major surgery as well. Stephen Lampley, 324 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: renowned detective Steve Lampley. She tricked a judge, she tricked 325 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: doctors and hospitals. How do we prove what she did 326 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: was a felony? We'll answer, we go back probably if 327 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: we go back and look, we start with her, and 328 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: we're going to go back and look and see what 329 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: she did because oftentimes, when we have a defender, a 330 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: suspect who is committing Munchausen by process, we have a 331 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: history of herself, usually a woman, Like the psychologist said, 332 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: we have a history of a woman who herself probably 333 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: had Munchausens or a guide attention from fake illnesses. She 334 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: probably has a self esteem We're gonna look at her 335 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: as well and see her history. She probably has a 336 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: history of attention seekings, doing things. She may have a 337 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: self esteem issue where we're gonna look at all of that. 338 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: We're also going to look at flam play. Please please 339 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: help me. Did you actually say she may have a 340 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: self esteem issue. She's gonna have a self esteem issue, 341 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: but she wears nothing but an artist JUMPSU for the 342 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: next twenty years. You don't write she may have an 343 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: esteem issue. My rare end uh, doctor Moroni, I hear 344 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: lamp lay him as probably right, she probably did have 345 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: a self esteem issue. I don't care. I don't care. 346 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: And another thing, Maroni, she has two other children. How 347 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: come she picked on this one. There's usually a timing thing. 348 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: Maybe there there could be a different father, There is 349 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: a certain time in her life where she feels this 350 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: is the focus. She couldn't get away with it, and 351 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, I want to go back to that not 352 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: being and wait wait MARONEI you're right. The other two children. 353 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait the other two children are half siblings, 354 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: just so you know they were from a different father. 355 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: You're right about that. Okay, go ahead. Sorry, So it 356 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: goes back to it's very relationship and cultural focus. But 357 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: who's had a baby that hasn't seen it? Vomit formula? 358 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: All babies vomit. They vomit food, they vomit formula, milk, 359 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: breast milk, or anything else that happens. To identify that 360 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: and then cause call back. Wait a minute, Maroni, White 361 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa. I know you have your 362 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: own children, but they keep vomiting. The other day, we 363 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: went to Indian restaurant. I said, mild, mild, mild, mild. 364 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: They made it spicy. John David walked out to the car. 365 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: He didn't get one foot out before he projectile hurled 366 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: in the parking lot. They keep vomiting. I don't know 367 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: that they ever quit, doctor Moroni. But that's a fun 368 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: thing for me to look forward to. Go ahead, so 369 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: I would say, this person has had an attention seeking problem, 370 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: going all the way back to adverse events in their childhood. 371 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: And probably you did har why you did not just 372 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: blame Kayleen Bowen writes, Mommy and daddy boy, you're going 373 00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: way far, you going back to the little boy's grandparents. Stop. Oh, 374 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: you know you're hurting me. Doctor Brian Russell, please tell 375 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: me you do not condone this. Trying to blame her 376 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: the mom's parents for her self esteem issue. No, no, 377 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: And now she does this to this child, she needs 378 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: to be prosecuted for every time a scalpel cut his 379 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: stomach open, had him in hospice in line for a 380 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: long transplant for Pete's sake, Doctor Russell and Moroni jumps 381 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: up and tries to tell me she had a problem 382 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: as a child. So three things. Number one is I 383 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: think that what he's doing is he's looking at what 384 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: would be the origin of the motivations for somebody to 385 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: do something like this. And what I'm saying is I 386 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: don't really care what the motivations are. If the person 387 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: knows what they're doing and they know that it's wrong, 388 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: then it's a crime, regardless of the motivation. So some 389 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: psychology intern can sit there with her in prison and 390 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: try to delve back into the motivation. The second thing 391 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: is when you ask about how you prove this, you're 392 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: going to see all kinds of doctor shopping, going to 393 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: one doctor for this, another doctor for that, another doctor 394 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: for that, so that you prolong the point where somebody 395 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: like they finally did, sees that wait a minute, we're 396 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: seeing this kid, and awful lot of times we're seeing 397 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: this kid for things that we don't find to be 398 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: there when the kids in the hospital eats just fine. 399 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: And then the last thing, the third thing is one 400 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: of the things that makes this so insidious and so 401 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: difficult for the medical professionals is that over time, real 402 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: symptoms do show up because of all the medication the 403 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: kid is on, because of all the all of the 404 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: things that the mother has put the kid through, and 405 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: then it gets hard to tease out what are the 406 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: symptoms that are caused by this whole process versus what symptoms, 407 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: if any, were there to begin with. Well, I'm gonna say, 408 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: doctor William Moroney, the proof is in the pudding because 409 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: now he's away from the mother and he's fine. The 410 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: father even says he's become very athletic. So to me, 411 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: it's a litmus test. When he's with the mom, he's 412 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: confined to a wheelchair, he's on a lung transplant list, 413 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: he's in hospice. An eight year old boy is in 414 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: hospice preparing to die. Now he's out playing in the 415 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: backyard with a soccer ball. There you haven't. Doctor Russell 416 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: alluded to a very important point of the failure in 417 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: the medical system. It was fractured care. She sought out 418 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: this doctor for that and that doctor that, and these 419 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: doctors did not talk to each other to see what 420 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: was happening. There was no coordinating arbitrator looking to see, well, 421 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: why is this happening here? Why is this happen here? 422 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: So part of the medical system failure, if it's and 423 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: child protective services seeing what's going on. There needed to 424 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: be a unification of all medical records, and that's how 425 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: they're going to end up prosecuting her because real time 426 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: medical care was fractured and people worked in silos effort 427 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: from each other. Well, as a matter of fact, you're right, 428 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: take a listen to this, lawyer, Shannon Pritchard. We've talked 429 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: to people who investigate these cases, and everybody wants to know, 430 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: how did this happen? How on earth could this happen. 431 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: What you have to remember is our doctors are not 432 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: teams that all communicate with each other. That's what we'd 433 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: like to believe. And in twenty fourteen, when I was 434 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: representing Ryan, which I was the first attorney that did 435 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: any discovery, discovery is asking for documents, asking for information, 436 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: And in that discovery, I had records from the Houston 437 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: Hospital that included a letter from one of those doctors 438 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: that said, Oh, he has a lung condition and it's 439 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: going to be degenerative. This was in twenty thirteen. They 440 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: continued to treat at both hospitals through twenty fifteen, and 441 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: nothing in the discovery that we read and reviewed corroborated 442 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: any of these conditions and when I reached out to 443 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: that doctor, he couldn't admit or deny that the child 444 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: was terminal, which is what Kayleen was telling the courts. 445 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: A lot of the surgeries were exploratory surgeries. He would 446 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: claim that he has some type of illness, and so 447 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: they would actually cut him open to try to find 448 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: out what's going on. Other surgeries included a G tube, 449 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 1: the most invasive type that goes directly into the intestines. 450 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: He had help me a central line right next to 451 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: his heart, and he also had to think of the 452 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: major surgeries. He had ear tubes within a lot of 453 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: kids have those time stories with Nancy Grace. CPS is 454 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: trying to claim that my son doesn't know me, and 455 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: I explained to CPS that of course my son doesn't 456 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: know me. I've been fighting him for him for the 457 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: last eight years. Every time I tried to come into 458 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: his life, his mother would say that he's dying. I 459 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: can't come around. He's too sick. If you breathe on him, 460 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: he may get some type of illness. And they're just 461 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: being very difficult in trying to place Christopher with me, 462 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: saying that he needs to remain into a foster home 463 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: in a foster home. That's dad Ryan Crawford, who battled 464 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: for his son. No judge would listen. Back to Crime 465 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page, Levi pick it 466 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: up where you left off. Well, we know now that 467 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: he has temporary conservatorship over his son, but his son 468 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: was in foster care for a while. Nancy and a 469 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: lot of people have been asking what did these doctors do? 470 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: How did they not catch onto this? They actually did 471 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: catch on multiple times in two and fifteen. They reported 472 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: this to CPS, and then reported it again two years 473 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: later in two seventeen. It wasn't until twenty eighteen when 474 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: CPS launched an investigation and then removed Christopher from his 475 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: mother's custody. Doctor Brian Russell, I mean she couldn't even 476 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: keep her stories straight. She tells some people Christopher was 477 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: died from a rare genetic disorder. She told others he 478 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: had cancer. She's also accused of holding fundraisers, having a 479 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: feeding tube and started into his body that caused him 480 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: to suffer life threatening blood infections. In fact, that connector 481 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: is still in his body. He's got to have a 482 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: surgery to get the feeding tube connector out of his body, 483 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: and the dad was denied visits starting at age three 484 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: by a judge who believed the mother. I mean, it's 485 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: a tragedy everywhere you look. The only thing that's going 486 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: to make me feel a little bit better is for 487 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: the father to get the boy to get custody and 488 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: the mom to go to jail for the rest of 489 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: her life. Yeah. Two things. One is that dads are 490 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: getting the short end of the stick often in family courts, 491 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: still today in twenty nineteen, all across the nation. Now, 492 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: I have to be a little bit careful here. The 493 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: fact that the child went to foster care for a 494 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: little while suggest to me that there's a chance that 495 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: the dad's not perfect either. Certainly compared to the mom, 496 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: obviously much better. But it just remains true that dads 497 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: get the short end of the stick a lot of 498 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: time just for being dads in family court. The second 499 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: thing is, for those who are real psychology, crime psychology 500 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: buffs the aspect of this where there is not just 501 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: attention seeking, but there's money seeking. We call that a 502 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: factitious aspect, where it isn't just about the emotional reward 503 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: for the perpetrator, it's about an actual tangible reward. So 504 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: there's the Munchausen by proxy, which is about the emotions, 505 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: and then there's the factitious disorder by proxy, which is 506 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: about trying to get money off of somebody else's fake problem. 507 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: You know, Levi, Page I don't have any indication the 508 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: father has ever been a bad father. I just know 509 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: that he got a bad rapping court when the baby 510 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: was three years old and was cut off from the child. 511 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 1: So I guess when the mom originally was taken the 512 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: boy was taken away, they just didn't go to the 513 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: dad because he had already been cut out by a court. 514 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 1: I don't know that the dad ever did anything wrong, Levi, 515 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: You're correct in your assessment. Nancy Kayleen Bowen was saying 516 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: that the father shouldn't be around him because he was 517 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: so sick, and then when he did try to get 518 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: custody and take her to court, she was saying that 519 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: how horrible it was of him to take her to 520 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: court while she's been treating for their sick son and 521 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: he has not been around his son. So she's very 522 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: manipulative in the way that she has been dealing with 523 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: this child's father and manipulating him and even the judicial 524 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: system and the judges. Take a listen to ABC Action 525 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: US Deborah Riley. In his eight years of life, Christopher 526 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: Bowen has been to the hospital three hundred twenty three 527 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: times and he's undergone thirteen major surgeries. His mom is 528 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: in jail, accused of making all of her son's illnesses up. 529 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: But Christopher's father questioned his son's medical issues and was 530 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: subsequently stripped of his visitation rights by a judge. How 531 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: do you do it? How do you do thirteen surgeries 532 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: and not question the fifth surgery, the sixth surgery? The 533 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: judge stated that I needed to accept that my son 534 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: was dying. Investigators think this is the case of munchhousing 535 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: by proxy syndrome, a mental disorder in which a caregiver 536 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: makes up an injury or an illness, or creates an 537 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: injury or an illness to get medical care to gain attention. 538 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: Christopher and his two siblings are now in foster care. 539 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: He is wonderful. He's not only any medications, well, let 540 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: me rephrase allergy medications. He doesn't have any tubes inside 541 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: of him. Obviously, he still has the connection for the 542 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: G tube, which you know one day we're going to 543 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: have to address that, and he's just ready to begin 544 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: the process of healing, which he can't do in a 545 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,479 Speaker 1: foster home. You're there hearing the dad, Ryan Crawford, listen 546 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 1: to this. This same time last year, this little boy, 547 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: Christopher Bowen was dying eight years old, on oxygen, in 548 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: a wheelchair, a feeding tube, an ivy in his arm. 549 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: Miracles do happen. An eight year scam is over. Today. 550 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: The feeding tube is gone, the wheelchair is discarded, the 551 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: need for a long transplant is over. The cancer is 552 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: not a remote possibility. This little boy that doesn't even 553 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: wear glasses, this child almost died. The intervention was a miracle, 554 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: and now this child is flourishing. What, if anything, can 555 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: we learn we can make sure it doesn't happen again 556 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: to another child. We wait as just as unfolds. Nancy 557 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye, Fred