1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we've looked at the film 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: from the Ravens twenty eight to twenty four loss to 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: the New England Patriots as well as heard from head 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: coach John Harball on Monday. So we're gonna break all 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: that down for you and Garrett. Let's start here. The 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: biggest talking point coming out of the game was still 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: a day later, Derrick Henry and why he didn't get 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: more snaps and more carries in the fourth quarter after 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: he scored a two yard touchdown with about thirteen minutes left. 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Dereck Henry didn't see the field. The Ravens had two 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: more drives, eight offensive plays on those drives. It was 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: all handled by Keith Mitchell and rasheen A Lee. So 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: reporters asked John Harble to kind of dive into that 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: whole thing and the mechanics of how they decide how 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: the rotation works. 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: There was, i mean multiple questions of John Harball about 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: this getting into the nitty gridy of how that rotation 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: is determined and basically the simple way to explain it. 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: You made a good point it's eight plays that we're 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: talking about here. The number sounds bigger when you say 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: he hadn't got didn't get the ball after with twelve 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: minutes and fifty seconds left in the fourth quarter. 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: After how's that happened? 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: Eight place? 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: It is eight place, so big, eight place? 27 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, the season on the line, of course, so it's 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: it's an important moment. I'm not diminishing that. The way 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 2: that John Harball explained it is that running backs coach 30 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: Willy Taggart, Derrick Henry, Keaton Mitchell like this is this 31 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: rotation is something that's been in place for weeks and 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: so on the sidelines, Willy Taggart and Derrek Henry have 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: a conversation along with Keith Mitchell about that rotation, and 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: the decision was going into that drive that Keith Mitchell 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: was going to start it and Derek Hennery was ultimately 36 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: going to come in later on that drive. Now, in 37 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: order for that to happen, you need to get more 38 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: first downs. John Harball also said that basically, on second thought, 39 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: looking back at it, had he realized that was the 40 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: game plan, he would have said, let's pull it back, 41 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: Let's put Derek in the game of that time. But 42 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: in the moment, there's a lot of different things that 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: you're thinking about. You're thinking about the defense, the play calls, 44 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: the upcoming drive on defense, special teams, all those things 45 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: are running through a coach's mind and so and the 46 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: moment doesn't want to call time out and make a 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: change right when you get to see the Keaton Mitchell 48 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: take the field in that situation. But basically, like how 49 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: does it happen, it's a conversation with Willie Taggert and 50 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: the running backs about the rotation, and they made the 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: decision that Derek was going to be the one to 52 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: start that drive. I'm sorry that Keaton was going to 53 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: be the one to start that drive. 54 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's how it works really at every position 55 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: is you know, the play caller, the coordinators call the plays, 56 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: and the position coaches determine rotations, and of course, like 57 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: the play call can determine the personnel, right, certain plays 58 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: dictate certain players being in on them. And John Harbell 59 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: did say that the play calls that the Ravens had 60 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: early in that drive i've did lend themselves more to 61 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: being Keaton plays, and so that that was part of 62 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: the decision to have Keaton start that they generally speaking 63 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: wanted Derrick Henry to start two thirds of every series, 64 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: right like Derek starts two of them, Keaton starts one, 65 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: Derek starts too, Keaton starts one. And John Harball said 66 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: that that Rashiina Lee was the third down back, so 67 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: that was kind of how the rotation was supposed to work. 68 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: John Harball did say that he has stepped in in 69 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: times previously and said, no, I want this guy on 70 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: the field, or I want that guy off the field, 71 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Like he has that you know power, and he's he's 72 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: exercised that power. I should say before he didn't in 73 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: this scenario in part because of the play calls, and 74 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: thought that they would lend themselves to Keaton. But in 75 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: retrospect it feels like, yeah, I should. I wish I 76 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: had stepped in and said, nah, I want Derek Henry 77 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: on the field situation. 78 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: The other point that I just want to make clear 79 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: is that on third downs, rash and third downs is 80 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: not just third downs specifically, but we're talking about basically 81 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: clear passing situations. 82 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: Those that package of plays. 83 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: Involves Rashin a Lee on the field. That's what Justice 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: Hill previously ran. Since Justice Hill was currently on injured reserve. 85 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: Rashina A Lei has stepped into that role. So when 86 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: they're in a two minute offense or third and long 87 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: clear passing downs, Rashein a Lee is a running back 88 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: in the situation. So on the Ravens final drive, they 89 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: opened with rasheon a Lee on the field, they throw 90 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: a screen pass at him on the opening play that 91 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: was right before the two minute warning. The Raves had 92 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: all three timeouts. The first play goes to Rashein a 93 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: Lee on the screen, ends up getting tackled for a loss. 94 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: Play went nowhere that one didn't work out, But Rashin 95 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: a Lee is that is the personnel package that involves him, 96 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: and so that's the explanation that we're talking really about 97 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: that second to last drive. But I do think it's 98 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: important to point out why Rashina a Lee was in 99 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: on that very last drive rather than Derrick Henry. 100 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: Now I think it's fair to say did they need 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: to go straight two minute offense to that point? Short 102 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: there were about two minutes left, but the Ravens had 103 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: all three time outs plus the two minute warnings, so 104 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: like they had opportunities to run the ball with Derrick 105 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: Henry on that final drive. 106 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: Really, that first play is probably the one that you're 107 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: talking about me. 108 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: The first play was a throw outside to Rashina Lee. 109 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a scream, but it 110 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: was a throw outside of him. Zay Flowers is the 111 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: lead blocker, and Zay missed his block, I mean just 112 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: just missed the block got blown up in the backfield 113 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: and so and then the next play is was the 114 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: Zay fumble. Yeah, and so that drive really went nowhere. 115 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: They didn't have a chance to really get they had 116 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: they could have started Derek on that drive, could have 117 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: started it. 118 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: But like, honest, unless you break a really long run, 119 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: which hey he's capable of, like you're that's not gonna 120 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: be with two minutes left, even with all three timeouts 121 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: and the two minute warning, that's not gonna be a 122 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: grounded pound drive all the way down the field. 123 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: You gotta move quickly, pass. 124 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: And sprinkle in a little bit of Derek Henry. But 125 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: you ain't gonna you don't have many opportunities, no, exactly. 126 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: So it's really the second to last drive. And and 127 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: why Keaton had two carries on that drive, He had 128 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: one for four yards and when they got stughed for 129 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: zero yards. And generally speaking, the larger point is the 130 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: Patriots didn't stop Dereck Henry all night. He was The 131 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: sad part is you look at it. He recorded a 132 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: season high sixty six point seven percent success rate. He 133 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: had fifty two rushing yards over expected. He had his 134 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: fastest average rushing speed of the season through thirteen point 135 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: eight one miles pour. So like, Derrick Henry was having 136 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: a great game, Patriots couldn't stop him. And so John 137 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: Harball said, I understand the point this end. This is 138 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: why you have Dereck Henry. This is part of why 139 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: you brought him to Baltimore last year, is so he 140 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: could be a closer in these kind of situations, especially 141 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: with the season on the line in a huge sunny 142 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: night football game late this season. Yeah, And like, so 143 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: he understands the point and agrees with the point, like, yeah, 144 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: I want Derrick Henry to get the ball in those situations. 145 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: And it didn't work at that workout that way. 146 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the one of the points that he 147 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: talked about is after the Ravens got the first round 148 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: for down on that drive, it was the completion of 149 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins. Is that the opportunity to bring in Derrick 150 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: Henry and like if if you're kind of looking at 151 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: a reset personnel wise, that would be the logical time 152 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: for it to take place, correct, And it didn't happen that. 153 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: They then went with a run there and to Keaton 154 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: that went nowhere, and on that play he basically said 155 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: there was a play action sweep play action called where 156 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: Keaton typically takes a lot of eyeballs and attention and 157 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: normally keeps it on those runs. But they checked out 158 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: of that, went to a different play based on the 159 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: look from the defense, and that play ended up going nowhere. 160 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: And so the play that was initially called again kind 161 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: of lended itself to the Keaton play, especially with him 162 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: being in the game, so kind of like the potential there, 163 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: and then they checked out of it and it didn't 164 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: work out, and so then you're really questioning the decision 165 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: at that point, right. 166 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: Right, So a lot to kind of break down there, 167 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: But you know, John Harball, I think you know, if 168 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: you had to do whatever, he would have done it differently, right. 169 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: And so another big talking point obvious coming out of 170 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: this game was the injury to Lamar Jackson suffered a 171 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: contusion on his back after he got knead in the 172 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: back late in the second quarter. And the update from 173 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: John Harball is that it is only a contusion, so 174 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: that's the good news. Had an MRI confirm there's nothing 175 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: beyond the contusion, but it's a significant that in John's word, 176 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: significant contusion that's extremely painful, right, And so Lamar Jackson 177 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: was here at the under Our Performance Center getting treatment 178 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: early Monday morning. But he's he's in pain, and so 179 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: the question is can he play on Saturday night in 180 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: Green Bay on a short week That will be the question. 181 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: And like, a back is a tricky thing, like if 182 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: your back's anyone that's hurt their back, like and obviously 183 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: there's a big difference between like anything that we do 184 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: average shows versus what Lamar does on a football. 185 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: Field, but like, like my fifty pound kids jump on 186 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: my back and wrestling and I was laid up, So 187 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to really imagine, you know, a two 188 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: hundred pound football player. 189 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 2: Right if like one of your friends is ever like, hey, 190 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: can you help me move this dresser down the stairs, 191 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 2: and then you just throw your back out and you're 192 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 2: on the shelf for two weeks. 193 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 3: Like if you. 194 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: Don't, if your back is hurt, you're in tough shape 195 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: and you really can't do much, and so it's also 196 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: hard to it's it's see. I think the backs are 197 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: probably a little bit more difficult to project, like exactly 198 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: when you're gonna feel good on that versus an ankle 199 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: or knee or things like that, and so it's hard 200 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: to know when's this thing going to feel right. 201 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: Right the ravensdic the Ravens medical staff told John Harbald 202 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: that Lamar Jackson's day to day, Yeah. 203 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: Day to day, and Lamar said after the game he 204 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: did talk with reporters that the hope is that he's 205 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: able to play on Saturday night in Green Bay, but 206 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: of course it's going to depend on how things progress 207 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: over the course of this week. He tried everything he 208 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: could get back in that game, was in the locker room, 209 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: trying to throw passes, trying to stretch it out, got 210 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: a tour it all shot, he said, So the Ravens 211 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: he was trying to do everything he could to get 212 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: back out there on the field and play, and. 213 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: We saw how much pain he was in in the 214 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: locker room. Afterwards, all the reporters in that locker room 215 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: saw that that was no show, Like the dude was 216 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: in significant pain. Yeah, so that is what it is 217 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: like if you if you can't touch your toes, it's 218 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: hard to play NFL quarterback. 219 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 3: Right, I mean he was moving slow. So I think that. 220 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: Again, the back and how quickly that responds and feels 221 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: better is I think, just a hard thing to predict. 222 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: But if he's able to play, he obviously will and 223 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: Lamar and the Raves are crossing their fingers that the 224 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 2: back improves pretty dramatically over the course of this week 225 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: and he's able to get back out there on Saturday. 226 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: And if not, it's gonna beat Tyler Huntley again he 227 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: beat the Bears. Well, it always just beat the Packers. Yeah, 228 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: so by proxy, well, look in. 229 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: All honestly on Tyler hunty like he played well enough 230 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: to win on Saturday, and stepping in for Lamar like, 231 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: he did exactly what you want. He stepped in, protected 232 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: the football, ran the offense efficiently, put up fourteen points. 233 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: The Ravens leaned on the ground game with Eric Henery 234 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 2: and that's the recipe. Like, that's what he did against 235 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: the Barry. 236 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: He's some key third down completions. 237 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: Mo. Yeah, moves around, can extend plays a little bit 238 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: with his legs, like that's the recipe with Tyler Huntley, 239 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: and he did that, and so I thought that he 240 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: played well enough for the Ravens to win in that game. 241 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: And if he's the guy as the Packers, then you 242 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: would expect him to do the same thing and I 243 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: think that he's fully capable of that. 244 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: Another injury update, left guard Andrew vore he's suffered a 245 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: foot injury. John Harball said that is also day to day. 246 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: The rookie Emery Jones stepped in at left guard, you know, 247 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: played about a dozen snaps a little more than that. 248 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: John Harvill said he was okay. You know, I think 249 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: he had some pass protection reps that he would want back, 250 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: but generally speaking, played like a talent, the talented rookie 251 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: that he is. You know, there's gonna be technique things 252 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: to clean up, and here's a guy getting his really 253 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: second game action, significant game action, and so yeah, he's 254 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: he's a young player who's gonna need to improve. He 255 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: might get those on that on the job training here 256 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: this week. I mean, the way that you improve is 257 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: to play the game. And so if Andrew Wores can't 258 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: play because of the foot, then Emery Jones step right up, 259 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: here's your opportunity. 260 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 3: Yep, yeah so, and that would be a big shait. 261 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have been intrigued by 262 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: Emory Jones for a while and what he could bring 263 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: to this offensive line. 264 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: Third round pick. A lot of talent, big guy, physical, physicality. 265 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: You notice him out there. He's playing to the whistle, 266 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. 267 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 268 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: So, I think that there's been interest in him for 269 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: much of this season, and he may get an opportunity 270 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 2: to play more this week if Andrew Vorhees is not 271 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 2: able to go. 272 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: So let's take a quick break. 273 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll dive into some of the 274 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 2: other talking points from that loss against the Patriots and 275 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: also look ahead to Saturday's game against Green Bay. 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The Ravens had a couple of turnovers 290 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: in this game. Mark Andrews, well, that one didn't end 291 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: up being a turnover, but that was a reckless play. 292 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: And then the Jay Flowers won late that that sealed it. 293 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: And and then thank to Derreck Henry fumble, which was 294 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: really a momentum changing play in this game. And so 295 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: three plays by star players they didn't protect the football 296 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: and two of the occasions that really hurt the Ravens 297 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: on the Henry one and the Za one. And so 298 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: he was asked specifically about Zay and we've seen this 299 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: with him, that he has had fumbling issues over the 300 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: course of his career, and what do you do, how 301 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: do you coach that? And He made the point that, like, 302 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: of course, practice is a key piece of that, but 303 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 2: you want to keep leaving in the guy like Zay 304 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 2: can make so many big plays, so you don't want 305 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: to like throw the baby out with the bathwater when 306 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 2: you're talking about all that he does and the way 307 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 2: that he plays the game. But at the same time, 308 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: you also need to protect the football, and there's this 309 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: balance to be had there, and finding that exact right 310 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: balance is tough, but there's no question that you just 311 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: have to hold onto the football and key situations. 312 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: I think what it boils down to is you can't 313 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: do that stuff in traffic, and you can't do it 314 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: in the middle of the field where you're going to 315 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: have guys coming up in your blind side and hitting you. 316 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: And that's when oftentimes fumbles happen, is from the defender 317 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: that you do not see, and so cutting back towards 318 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: the middle of the field is generally not advisable. You know, 319 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: you catch a thirty yard pass deep down the field 320 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: and you have one cornerback to beat to get to 321 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: the end zone. Okay, cut it back, juke out of 322 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: his shorts. I love that aspect of what Zay Flowers 323 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: does you have a safety, you're running down the field 324 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: and you're putting a sick juke going to cool. I'm 325 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: cool with that. You got linebackers and defensive linemen who 326 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: are peeling back and trying to chase chase you down 327 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: from behind, like you're within five ten yards of the 328 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. High traffic is not not great. And 329 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: you know when you watch that play back, the other 330 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: part that just kills you is if he just keeps 331 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: running straight, keeps you know, he catches it on a 332 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: shallow crosser. Uh, and if he keeps running with the 333 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: ball there. You know, as soon as he catches the ball, 334 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: you see Zay kind of throttle down immediately like he's 335 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: gonna try to cut back and make the guy miss. 336 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: If he doesn't throttle down, if you just gear up 337 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: and keep going, like, I think you have a pretty 338 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: solid game there. Yeah. 339 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: And and again that. 340 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: This has been something that he's had these issues at 341 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: times in his career, and so the Ravens certainly want 342 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: to limit those. 343 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: You want to eliminate the fumbles. You want to eliminate fumbles. 344 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: Here's the thing is, like you can't put fumbles on 345 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: I really in my opinion. You can't put fumbles on 346 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: the coaching Steff. You can't. I mean, I don't think 347 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: that they can stress it more than they have the 348 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: importance of ball security and coaching it and the finer 349 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: points of how you hold the ball on the raven 350 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: claw and and how much it means the team. And 351 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: you have the whole city riding on your back. When 352 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: you have the ball, you're carrying the city. Like they've 353 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: used every analogy, every coaching point, technique, they've stressed it right, 354 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: and so like it's that to me, that comes down 355 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: to the players, like you got to you gotta protect 356 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: the ball. That's that's a player thing and so and 357 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: the tough part for the coaches also is that it's 358 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: been some of the best players on the team. So 359 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, you don't have a back 360 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: end of the roster guy who fumbles and you're like, 361 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: all right, well, you you're out of opportunities. You're not 362 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: getting the ball again, you're benched. These are your best players. 363 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: What are you supposed to do? You know, and you 364 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: have these conversations with them of like, hey man, another reminder, 365 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: it's important, you know, and like maybe don't do it 366 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: in traffic or whatever. Like you have those conversations, which 367 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: John Harwall does, but at the end of the day, 368 00:16:58,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: your hands are kind of tied. 369 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: Right. There's also a conversation during the pres Commas on 370 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: Monday about Rashab Bateman. Different, different conversation than the ball 371 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: security won, but just another receiver, and Harball was basically 372 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: asked like, how do you it's been hard to get 373 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: him involved this season? And why hasn't been so hard 374 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: to get him involved because big drop off on the 375 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: production that he had. 376 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: He has eighteen. 377 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: Catches for two hundred and seventeen yards and two touchdowns 378 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: this year. He has over the past his past three 379 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: games two catches for twenty three yards. 380 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 2: Not what you expected coming into the season. He signed 381 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: the contract extension before this year, and it felt like 382 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 2: for a guy that was off to a rocky start 383 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: here in Baltimore, he had a breakout season last year 384 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 2: and then you get the contract extension, it felt like, okay, things, 385 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: all that stuff is settled. He's now there's there's stability, 386 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: and he's going to flourish. That's what I thought coming 387 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: into this year and that he was going to have 388 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: maybe his best season yet. And build off the great 389 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 2: year they had last season that just has not come 390 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: to fruition. He did deal with an ankle injury that 391 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 2: hobbled him in the middle of this season, but still. 392 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: He missed three games and John Harbal said he was 393 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: fighting through it, so, like, was it also limiting him 394 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: even in games that he was playing in. 395 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: I think it's fair, right, right, so that the injury 396 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: certainly is a part of the explanation for the production. 397 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: But but you I still thought he game how much 398 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: big Yeah, games he's. 399 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: Played in and before the ankle injury, there was not 400 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: much for Shot Bateman production, right, I mean, and we 401 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: see some big plays in this game not being made. 402 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: I mean, after Derek Henry fumble Patriots Godown score a 403 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: touchdown tig Ball game, Ravens offense gets the ball back 404 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: and on key third down. You know, he and Lamar 405 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: Jackson just not on the same page. And we've just 406 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: seen that too often for both guys over their tenure together. 407 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Harba did say, like he gave Bateman a lot 408 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 2: of praise for the way that he played in the game, 409 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: so that he's running good routes, he's blocking. 410 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: Well, and he deserves to get the ball more. 411 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: He also pointed out only nine drop back passes, like 412 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 2: true drop back passes. The Ravens only threw the ball 413 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 2: twenty times, none of them were drop back passes. And 414 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: previously the week before or the big conversation was like, hey, 415 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: when you're gonna get DeAndre Hopkins more? Invallved Ravens did 416 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: that in this game through five passes his direction. He 417 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 2: caught four of them. And that was a really important 418 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: player in this game. And so there's a little bit 419 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: of there's only one ball to go around. You want 420 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: to get the ball to Bateman, you want to get 421 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: the ball to Isah likely? 422 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: You want to get the ball? 423 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: Ask about Isaiah likely? Like it is coaches Harves hates 424 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: these questions because it's it is true. Like it's like, well, well, 425 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: why don't you get the ball to d hop More? Okay, 426 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: we did that. Why didn't you throw it Debaate or 427 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: Isaiah Likely? Well, because we threw it to d hop 428 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: like you wanted. Like, you can't just go down the 429 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: roster and be like, why didn't that guy get the ball? Moore? 430 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: Why didn't that guy get the Ballmore? Why didn't that right? Right? 431 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 2: And obviously early in this season, Like that was a 432 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: lot of that conversation with like the running backs, and 433 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: it's like Keith Mitchell involved and that and that also 434 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: it's like right and that and that happened. That's what 435 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: That's really what spurned the rotation. 436 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: That the. 437 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: Exactly and so like as soon as you go more 438 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 2: in one direction, people start asking about the other. 439 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: But I think it works when and it's not, and 440 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: it's all fair, Like it's fair to question the Derrek 441 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: Henry Keat Mitchell stuff. It's fair to wonder like what's 442 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: going on with Batman wise, and you get that that 443 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: stuff is fair like big picture wise, you know what 444 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean, But like sometimes you go through the nitty 445 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: gritty of it and it's just like I don't know. 446 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 447 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: Then then one other point from the game that I 448 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: had was he was asked about our Darius Washington on 449 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 2: Stephon diggs Key fourth down play on their on their 450 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: second to last drive ended up going for a big game. 451 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 2: Diggs made an outside move, good pass from Drake may Or, 452 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: Darius tried to jump thro route, came up do for it, 453 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: didn't make the play, and then it was off to 454 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: the races for Stefon Diggs and Hardbot based said we 455 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: we like the matchup in that situation, like they like 456 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: our Darius Washington. 457 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: He slipped on the play that was that happened. 458 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: Kind of right in front of me down on the field, 459 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: and he did slip a little bit on that play 460 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: and allowed Diggs to get a little bit of separation. 461 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: And then when you dive, you don't make the play, 462 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: then it's off to the races. 463 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: And so I don't fall our Arius for going for 464 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: the ball. Still, I don't fender fingertip away from ending 465 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: the game. Essentially he's fourth and two and uh with 466 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, minutes left, and so I don't I don't 467 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: fault him for trying to make that play. It's what 468 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: a playmaker does. Friend of Lounge on Darius, by the way, 469 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: go back and listen to that episode. He had a 470 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: he had a good game, Like, yeah, Ardarius played well 471 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: in that game, he showed up, he forced fumble, sack, 472 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: played well. So I don't fault Ardarius. It's a shame. 473 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: It's just a shame. It's a shame he slipped. And 474 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: like that was the play that the Ravens defense needed, 475 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: Like we were talking about, you know, previously, after the 476 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: game is like you need to just make a play 477 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: in those scenarios when the other quarterbacks hot, you're on 478 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: your heels their past past past past past past pass 479 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: and somebody has to step up and make a play. 480 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: And like, I also like don't want to get carried 481 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: away in talking about like the fourth quarter struggles Ravens 482 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: have had and all this, Like sometimes they have they 483 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: have made that play. I don't want to make it 484 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: sound like they never do this right, Like they never 485 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: they never close out games in the fourth quarter like 486 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: they do right. They closed out the Bengals right, they 487 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: made the interception the Kylevin Noi handed off to Lowi 488 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: Gill when that closed the door, closed the game out 489 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: right when the Bengals were threatening late in that game 490 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: to get back in it. And so kind of a 491 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: similar situation to a degree. 492 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: Uh. 493 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: And but I think there's been With that said, I 494 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: think there's been too many, too many comesbacks allowed by 495 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: the other team. Also another key point when you when 496 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: you really look at like there Evens had a eleven 497 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: point lead with thirteen minutes left in the NFL, Like 498 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: thirteen minutes left, that's the beginning of the fourth quarter. Yeah, 499 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: It's an eternity to think like an eleven point lead 500 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: is is ironclad at that point in the NFL, Like, 501 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: did did you watch the Steelers Lions game? How many 502 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: points were scored back and forth and the fourth quarter? 503 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: Somehow the Steelers just like have this miraculous record when 504 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: they have a two score lead in the fourth quarter 505 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: and like hang on by the skinner the teeth. I can't, 506 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: I can't tell you. I've lost number of fingers to 507 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: count on how many times those Steelers have somehow squeaked 508 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: out some victory. This was two OPI calls in the 509 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: past in the last twenty five seconds, Like somehow they 510 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 1: hang on consistently well, and the Ravens like have not 511 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: had that. Yeah, I don't want to say it's luck, 512 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 1: because it's not. There's some element of that, but like 513 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: it hasn't worked that way for the Ravens. 514 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: Well, Honestly, this is a totally different situation like Buffalo 515 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: Week one, where you had that game and you should 516 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: have just been able to run it out for two 517 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: minutes with a love and point lead. Is not what 518 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: we saw earlier in this season. That's correct, and that's 519 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: a very different story. Yes, real quick on our Darius too, 520 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: Like it's a shame because he comes up, I don't know, 521 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: inches away from knocking down that ball and ending the 522 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: game and to play before Nate Wiggins gets a pass 523 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: breakup where he jumped the route. Look great job by 524 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: him to read the play and jump the route almost 525 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 2: comes up in an interception, basically a collision at the 526 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 2: ball and not able to make the interception. And like 527 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: if either of those happened, it's a game over situation. 528 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: And we're having a totally different conversation this morning, and 529 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: the Ravens just came up a little bit short on 530 00:23:59,280 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: both of them. 531 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: Honestly didn't really register that Wiggans had a shot at 532 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: picking off that pass. I mean, that's bang bang play. 533 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: It was basically the collide at the football. 534 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: It's not I wouldn't really count classified as a drop, 535 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 2: but like they basically met at the football right and 536 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: it would have been a great play had he been 537 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: able to make it. But both those guys were just 538 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 2: right there, and he did a great job reading that 539 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 2: play and breaking on the ball and getting a paybu 540 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: at a minimum, but would have been pretty sweet if 541 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: he'd just taken it into the house. Or even come 542 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: up with the interception. 543 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: Yep. The last point from John Harwall's press conference was 544 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: about Tyler Loop, who missed a fifty six yard attempt. 545 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: Missed it short well short, which for a kicker with 546 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: as big a leg as Tyler Loop has who we 547 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: saw bombing the ball in training camp and whatnot like, 548 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: was surprising. John Harwall said that he sat down with 549 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: Tyler Loop and watched that one together and that his 550 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: approach to the football was off, which screwed up his footwork, 551 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: which made him basically mishit the ball. He kind of 552 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: got under it a little bit too much. There's too 553 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: much rotation, which made it which knocked it down basically 554 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: in the wind, and that was the reason why he 555 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: came up short on that fifty six yarder. And so 556 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: that's unfortunate. You know, where my head went to is 557 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: our interview with Tyler Loop and Randy Brown in which 558 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: they like diagnosed exactly how fine tune that footwork is 559 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: and that approached the football and exactly where he lines 560 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: up and how each of those steps goes and so 561 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: like case in point, you see, when it's that fine 562 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: tuned and you screw it up, you know that approaches 563 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: the ball. This is what happens. 564 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Ravens are now in a short week, 565 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 2: they're going to be back in the building. The players 566 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: are tomorrow working on practice, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Of course 567 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: it's a holiday week, so add that little wrinkle into 568 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: the mix with Christmas on Thursday, and then head out 569 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: to Green Bay on Friday before the game Saturday night. 570 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: And just again as a reminder to listeners, the scenario 571 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: for the Ravens to have a shot at the playoffs 572 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 2: is the Ravens first of all, they need to beat 573 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 2: the green Bay Packers. If they don't beat the Packers, 574 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: then they have c North is done and the Steelers 575 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: have won the division. Ravens have to beat the Packers 576 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 2: Saturday night. Then on Sunday, the Steelers would need to 577 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: lose to the Cleveland Browns. If those two things happen, 578 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: then hey it's we're back. It's Week eighteen. Win to 579 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: get in to. 580 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 3: Win the division in Pittsburgh between the Ravens and the Steelers. 581 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: If the Ravens lose, that's it. If the Ravens win 582 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: and the Steelers beat the Browns, that's still it. The 583 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 2: Steelers win the division so that's the scenario. 584 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: High guy, do you have any Browns gear that like 585 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: you could love? 586 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: I probably got I got some family members that's certainly 587 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: gonna be cheering on the. 588 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: Ravens all right. 589 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: If the vibes, if you beat the Packers Saturday night, 590 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna need the bar some gear. 591 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're sending all the good vibes back to Cleveland. 592 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 2: So as always, you can email us at the lounge 593 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: at Ravens dot NFL dot net. 594 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 3: We appreciate you listening. Thank you so much. We'll be 595 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 3: back with you later this week.