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Speaker 1: Welcome to the State of the Lakers podcast. Thank you

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Speaker 1: guys for coming to hang out talk some basketball with

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Speaker 1: Rog and I on this very busy NBA news morning

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Speaker 1: between Team USA losing again and the Ben Simmons trade

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Speaker 1: request or not I shouldn't say trade request, the front

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Speaker 1: office openly shopping Ben Simmons, um to the extent that

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Speaker 1: they're telling Shams Sharania uh. And then Roger just informed

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Speaker 1: to me about some news about Lonzo Ball and him

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Speaker 1: potentially leaving New Orleans, um that I was unaware of

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Speaker 1: until just now. So we got a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about today. UM, but we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: by talking about the Game three of the NBA Finals

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. But first, Rog, how are you doing on

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Speaker 1: this morning? How's your weekend? Was great? Yeah, I'm doing good.

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Speaker 1: It's weird to like try to transition back to video,

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Speaker 1: Like I know the podcast listeners, Um, they don't see

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Speaker 1: the video, but just for us. So I used to

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Speaker 1: doing spaces and now like we're on video now, so

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Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a funny adjustment back to

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Speaker 1: being on camera. Um, you have to look somewhat kind

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Speaker 1: of presentable when you come up here. You can just

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Speaker 1: you can just wally onto the spaces on Twitter. Um.

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Speaker 1: So it's fun to be back, though. Yeah, exactly the

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Speaker 1: spaces allowed us to slum it a little bit, that

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Speaker 1: is what that is for sure. But uh, don't worry

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Speaker 1: after this offseason, we will return to doing mostly spaces

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Speaker 1: um in our postgame shows during hopefully much much more

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Speaker 1: positive and good luck oriented Lakers season next year. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna start by talking about Game three on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I continue again, I'm not always right. Everyone's wrong a

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Speaker 1: lot of the time, including myself. I'm going to brag

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Speaker 1: a lot in this series because I've been right so far.

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Speaker 1: I've predicted every single outcome in every single game so far. Um.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of talk about the Bucks you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of season control of this series and showing some

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Speaker 1: you know, uh problems in in in Phoenix's design that

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Speaker 1: they're able to physically exploit. And while I do think

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Speaker 1: that that is the reason why they were able to

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Speaker 1: win in that particular game, I think this is just

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Speaker 1: textbook NBA playoff series in a nutshell. I've seen this

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Speaker 1: so many times over the years. You know, the uh

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Speaker 1: team USA which we're gonna talk about later, is such

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Speaker 1: a great example of the difference in motivational advantage. You know,

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Speaker 1: you win basketball games by doing all of these things,

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Speaker 1: these little things, not just scoring the basketball, and you know,

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Speaker 1: if you don't have people that are willing to do

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Speaker 1: those little things, you can lose games two teams with

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Speaker 1: less talent. And and similar to obviously that with with

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Speaker 1: this FEBA thing, it's a much bigger talent gap and

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Speaker 1: a much bigger issue. But when it comes to this

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Speaker 1: playoffs series, you've got the better team, which is Phoenix,

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Speaker 1: who's up to games to none going into Milwaukee, playing

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Speaker 1: against a desperate team, So they are more willing to

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Speaker 1: do those little things. They're more willing to be more physical,

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Speaker 1: to be more aggressive, to feed off of the energy

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Speaker 1: of the crowd. And so then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: this gap manifests in their effort, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: a team that pretty much got handled in the first

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Speaker 1: two games wins by twenty uh So, my impression, you know,

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Speaker 1: from the over the top kind of macro sense, is

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Speaker 1: just that this was a textbook progression of a playoff series.

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Speaker 1: Did you think it was something bigger than that? Or

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Speaker 1: did you just think it was kind of the thing

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about, so like we both like to tie

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Speaker 1: it back until it happens on the court to write

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Speaker 1: like all that playing harder and stuff that that's all true,

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Speaker 1: and I think it has a dominant effect as well.

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Speaker 1: We always talk about how the more physical team gets

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Speaker 1: the calls, or gets or doesn't get the call, whatever

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Speaker 1: way you want to look at it. I really thought

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Speaker 1: Deandrean's um fourth foul kind of change the whole game,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, was back and forth. Phoenix was coming

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Speaker 1: back a little bit. He picked up his fourth foul

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Speaker 1: with ten twenty five left to go in the third.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe if he played the third quarter and

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Speaker 1: then the Bucks just ran the score up. And I

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Speaker 1: think that really has accumulative effect. Allowed the Bucks to

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Speaker 1: other end, so allowed them to play the honest at

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Speaker 1: the five, not worrying after not worrying about a rim roller,

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Speaker 1: not worrying about offensive rebounds. Kaminski got destroyed in his minutes.

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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't really understand those minutes at all.

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Speaker 1: Um he was like a minus fourteen in five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Which shouldn't even be possible. But yeah, like and again

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Speaker 1: all that stuff you said, it's true. The home crowd

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Speaker 1: really put them on their back. Janice had a legendary

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Speaker 1: another legendary performance. His numbers in these series is absolutely insane.

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Speaker 1: They have no one to guard him, and I don't

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Speaker 1: All that playing hard and stuff is true. I just

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Speaker 1: think like that the game changed to me when Aint

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Speaker 1: is different philosophies on that. I thought that's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of over reaction to just not play him because

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Speaker 1: You know you'll lose if you play with Kaminsky. I

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Speaker 1: would have just took the chance on me. But that's

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Speaker 1: why I kind of saw, did you see anything else

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Speaker 1: Or just play tiny? Like but like if you can't,

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Speaker 1: you know, they played Kaminsky because their their whole you know,

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Speaker 1: structure is built around this, like four out one in

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Speaker 1: if if you're gonna get boat raced with Kaminski at

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Speaker 1: the five, you might as well put Crowder at the

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Speaker 1: five and just put all your wings out there. And

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe just by you can jank up the

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Speaker 1: But I'm with you, like, you know, overreacting to foul

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Speaker 1: It makes way more sense to do it in the

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Speaker 1: college game when egos are more in favor of the referees.

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Speaker 1: Like in college, like a ref's not gonna think twice

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Speaker 1: about fouling a dude out of a game if he

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Speaker 1: like DeAndre Etan with four fouls and be a little

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Speaker 1: gonna be reaching at all, you know, blah blah blah, blah,

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Speaker 1: most interesting subplot of this series. I tweeted these stats

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Speaker 1: the one of the big reasons why the Bucks were

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Speaker 1: even though they trailed was uh by going to Jannis

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Speaker 1: Against those two teams, they were plus seventeen points per

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Speaker 1: I think it was over Connaughton. And then the very

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Speaker 1: Bud immediately put Bobby portison. So that that was that

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, and then, like you said, after after Aidan

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Speaker 1: But everything was going Phoenix's way because of how dominant

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Speaker 1: and then Milwaukee just completely took over in the middle

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Speaker 1: then Drew Holiday had kind of like a uncharacteristically great

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Speaker 1: but like, he was unbelievable passing the basketball. In that

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Speaker 1: That was literally a seven point turnaround, and it completely

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Speaker 1: to all of a sudden, you're down twelve, and it

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Speaker 1: was just it was kind of like a like a

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Speaker 1: like a wave of energy that just Phoenix couldn't really match,

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. No, for sure, And we always

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Speaker 1: talked about like the home and road splits for like

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Speaker 1: Drew Holiday and Chris Middleton's shooting. Like Drew Holiday hit

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Speaker 1: five threes last night, five for ten from three. I

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Speaker 1: think those are shots that like the Sons lived with

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Speaker 1: him still taking, like that he hit a bunch of

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Speaker 1: like step back kind of threes, but these shots I

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Speaker 1: takes those shots to defense kind of wins. So like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's tough. I don't know what really

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Speaker 1: scoring forty. I think they'll live with that, Like you

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Speaker 1: scoring forty, Chris Milton six with fourteen, Like they're still

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Speaker 1: kind of shutting him down. I thought the biggest key

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, was but kind of limiting brook Lopez

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Speaker 1: really didn't play brook Lopez. It was mostly just be

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Speaker 1: a lot a lot of you honest on Chris Paul

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Speaker 1: on Devin Booker, and he was really able to impact them.

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul still hit a bunch of tough shots. He

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Speaker 1: had like a one left to right crossover fade away

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Speaker 1: was tweeting about yesterday. He went on a soliloquy basically

432
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Speaker 1: discussing this idea that uh that you know, we should

433
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 1: always uh we're we're too we're too quick to try

434
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Speaker 1: to contextualize everything that happens in a basketball game within

435
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: NBA history, and how all we should do is just

436
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 1: watch what's on the floor and talk about what's on

437
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: the floor. Now, I do agree with him to the

438
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: extent that talking about what's happening in the games is

439
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 1: the most important because everything else is fake, you know,

440
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: like talking about anything that's not actually taking place on

441
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: the floor is fake basketball, whereas what's happening on the

442
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: floor is real basketball. So I agree with him in

443
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 1: that regard. However, NBA history is all about comparing and

444
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: and talking about how is this similar to what Shack

445
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: died in two thousand one, How is what Lebron did

446
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen similar to what you know, uh,

447
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: you know Dirk did in two thousand eleven, or whatever.

448
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: It is, Like, that's what we do. We we we

449
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: compare eras, we compare players, like we build lists. We

450
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: talked about who the greatest of all time is. We

451
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,239
Speaker 1: talked about who the greatest team of all time is.

452
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's okay. I think that that's part

453
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Speaker 1: of being an NBA fan. I just think that the

454
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: nuts and bolts of those conversations has to be basketball oriented,

455
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: which which is totally fair. So my question for you

456
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,479
Speaker 1: is this, Janice has been incredible to this point, in

457
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: the postseason. He's clearly the best player in this series. Um,

458
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna win, but there's obviously a

459
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: chance that he could end up, uh, you know, going

460
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: nuclear and stealing this series. So my question for you is,

461
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 1: how do you contextualize what Janice is doing compared to

462
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: his peers and what they've done in the past, guys

463
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: like Kauai, guys like Staff, guys like Lebron. How does

464
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: what he's doing stack up or or compare to what

465
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: his peers are doing. Because if you're gonna say Nice

466
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: is the best, you have to say he's better than

467
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: k d. You have to say he's better than Steph.

468
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: You have to say he's better than Lebron or Kauai.

469
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: And so that that's my question for you is like

470
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Speaker 1: what do you make of this? The honest run to

471
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Speaker 1: this point. So for me, really clearly on the Jackson France,

472
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: Jackson is my guy. He's he's a great dude. Um,

473
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, like everything is contextual, Like everything in life

474
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 1: is contextual, and that off court encourt encore is quantifiable, right,

475
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: Like we can see what happened, we can go to

476
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: a box score, like hey, this guy missed ten shots.

477
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Off the court, it's objective, who's the greatest?

478
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: All that aesthetics? What do you prefer? That's why I

479
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: try to keep it on the court. Off course stuff.

480
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: I don't really get into legacy and stuff as all that,

481
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: but with the honest, like for me, I really value

482
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: playoff performance and like finals performance. Like I feel like

483
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: I heard a lot of these conversations lately. I'm sure

484
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 1: you here too, here too, not to like move off

485
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: of the honest, but people are like, oh, is zach

486
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: Lavine Zach Levine? If you play sack Lavine with Devin Booker,

487
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: the sons will be exactly where they are. I'm like,

488
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know that though, but Devin book are

489
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: doing it on this stage should mean something. He should

490
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Speaker 1: get at least the benefit of the doubt, like or

491
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: they say like, oh it replace zac Lavine with Donovan Mitchell,

492
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: the Utah would still be the number one seed. I

493
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: don't know that to be true. But Zach Lyman, I

494
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: don't know what he would do in the playoffs, but

495
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: just seeing in person means a lot to me, Like

496
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: you honest, doing this puts him on the upper echelon.

497
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: To me, this is with like Steph who went through

498
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Um, Katie when he was in Oklahoma City,

499
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: ran through, got to the finals. Like this is up

500
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: there with that. You can't deny the numbers anymore. You

501
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 1: just you just can't. As it once like all that

502
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: Middleton was Middleton is Batman or whatever they were saying.

503
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: All that stuff is dead now I believe. I mean,

504
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: honest has pretty much put himself up there. Um and

505
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: his skill and his physicality. I mean, you have to

506
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: put him there. You just have to. Guys who have

507
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: these finals performances are rare. That's why I put what

508
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: a D did last year in such high regard. I

509
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: know people skip over it because of where it was

510
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: done in the environment, but that's an insane run. If

511
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: you look at the numbers, look at the performances, the

512
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: guys see out played. James Hardens is a surefy Horror

513
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. That dude guy outplayed by a D

514
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: in a series Like that's what happened, you know what

515
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean? And I just look at that. Nicola Yokich

516
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: as well, another great player. But people who do it

517
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, to me, means a lot more. Be honest,

518
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: if he gets a ring with this means a lot.

519
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: It's a dirt level ring in my opinion, like go

520
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: look at who dirt beat to run to the finals.

521
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: It might be a little bit more than this, but

522
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: that's the kind of run he's on. And the Honest's

523
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: numbers I think are even more insane than Dirk if

524
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: I have to look at it, um just from finals

525
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: to finals. Um. I don't know if that's really comparison.

526
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: They're totally different players, but yeah, those numbers are undefinable. Man.

527
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: He It puts him in the echelon of Katie, you know, Kauai,

528
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Speaker 1: whoever you want to put him with, uh and to

529
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: do it with this Bucks team. I think we're gonna

530
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: look back at the town on this roster and I

531
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: think it's good. But still like his second and third

532
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: guys from Chris Mountain, Drew Holiday should means something for him.

533
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a superstar next to him, So what

534
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: do you see, Like where do you kind of put him?

535
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: I guess in those lists because I know you're you

536
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: really like to kind of go and and kind of

537
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: compare these these guys. What do you see from him?

538
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: In that list. I like comparing UH players because like

539
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: this is, let's just be clear, like basketball is a sport.

540
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: It's a team sport, but it's the team sport where

541
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: individuals have the most impact. And it's also the sport

542
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: where you work on your individual game, you know, and

543
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: see results that can impact the team the most. And

544
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: and and I think it's just it's also just a

545
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: part of NBA history. That's the reality of it. Like

546
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: throughout NBA history, players have been ranked and compared against

547
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: each other. It's part of the culture of the game.

548
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: And that's just never gonna go away. That's just kind

549
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: of the way it works. But anyway, like the way

550
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: I see, it's real simple. I used to see Kauai, Lebron,

551
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: Stephen Katie in their own tier at the top of

552
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: the league, and the guys like Janice and Harden and

553
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: a d were like right there behind him. Well, now

554
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: I think Janice has every bit of as much acclaim

555
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 1: to be in that tier. Um, you know, Anthony Davis

556
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: did last year as well, but then he had a

557
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: huge fall off this year, which you know, could be

558
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: effort related, it could be injury related, it could be

559
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: a combination of all those things, but you can pretty

560
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: much count on that not happening with Joannice. Like Janice

561
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: is gonna come out next year and attack the season

562
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: just like just like he did this year. But anyway,

563
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: I think that that's I think that means a lot

564
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: to be to be considered in the same tier as

565
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: those guys is a huge deal. Um That said to me, personally,

566
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: I still think that those four guys are better than him.

567
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: If if he has a case over any of them,

568
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be Kauai because he's a similar type

569
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 1: of player who had success when every other hole in

570
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: his game was filled by something that his teammates did

571
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: really really well. Um But I think that, you know, uh,

572
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: it's important to acknowledge what's going on here. Like Janice,

573
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: as incredible as he's looked, was out late by Kevin

574
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: Durant in the Conference semis and was one inch away

575
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: from losing that series even though he had the better team,

576
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: because Kevin Durant was that much better than him. I

577
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: think that that is not something I can wipe out

578
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: of my memory just because Janice is still playing in

579
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: Katie's not playing, And I think that this whole year

580
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: has been a referendum on the way that we evaluate players,

581
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: because even myself, I think leaned too much into the

582
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: team that wins and holds the trophy at the end

583
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: the best players on that team when nine times out

584
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: of a tend not nine times out of tend, but

585
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: a significant percentage of the time, it actually doesn't work

586
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: out that way. But I think, I think I'm extremely

587
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: impressed by Janice. I consider him a top tier superstar,

588
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: which is something I didn't consider him to be before.

589
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: And last, but not least, I because I'm because I've

590
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: seen the way he's wired, because I've seen the way

591
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: he's not scared of the moment, because I've seen the

592
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 1: way he can physically dominate guys. I am like, relatively

593
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: certain that at some point in his early thirties, you know,

594
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: thirty years old, thirty one years old, thirty two years old,

595
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 1: he's gonna have enough Paulish where he's gonna go on

596
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 1: a stretch where he's better than everybody. He's gonna and

597
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe Luca is gonna be right there with him,

598
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: who maybe his ion will who knows, But Janice is

599
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: going to have a stretch where his brain catches up

600
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: to his body, and it's gonna be frightening, especially if

601
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: he's on a decent team, Because this guy is doing

602
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: all this stuff right now. I hate the phrase no bag,

603
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: but he's doing all this stuff right now, and he's

604
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: lacking polish and what the polish. He'll never be Kevin Durant,

605
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: but he he might eventually get to the point where

606
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more on the level of like

607
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown in his skill set, a guy who can

608
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: do some more complicated dribble moves, a guy who can

609
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: get hot from the three point line and be relatively

610
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: consistent as a jump shooter, you know, from fifteen to

611
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: twenty feet, like that stuff will happen for him, and

612
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: when it does, it's gonna be scary. And and I think, uh,

613
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: and I enjoy rooting for him, and I think it'll

614
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: be fun when that when that time eventually comes. But

615
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't think this is his moment. I don't think

616
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: he has what it takes to win this series. Yeah,

617
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: And I want to bring it back to two things,

618
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: like like you kind of said, um first of all

619
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: with him, like, yeah, where was I going with this?

620
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: I lost my lost my train thought. But yeah, like

621
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: that dude is twenty six year old. Oh yeah, there

622
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: we go. But you talked about Bill Simmons saying, like, um, consistency, right,

623
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: that's what Superstar is. Consistency, Like that's everything. Look at

624
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: Joannest the last three years, Like we talked about his

625
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 1: MVP Awards. We laugh at him because of the way

626
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: they went on the playoffs. His numbers are insane every night.

627
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: His motor is insane. It's a generational motor. In my opinion,

628
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: the guys don't play this hard as long as he does. Um,

629
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: he plays hard the whole night he goes. He carries

630
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: that Bucks team to sixty plus wins. I think in

631
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: like two straight years his numbers are insane. Year old,

632
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna be insane at like thirty. You know

633
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: what I mean. Guys at this age just don't just

634
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: aren't aren't this guys without this kind of bag as

635
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: you talk about this kind of like handle don't average

636
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: these kind of numbers just because they're physical. Like he

637
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: does have skills, they're just not skills that are aesthetically

638
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: pleasing in my appeion. And the second thing you said,

639
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: he got outplayed by Kevin Durant there's no shame in

640
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: that like that, of course, like Kevin Durant to me,

641
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: it might be the best score ever, Like there's no

642
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 1: there's no there's no shame in being out played by him,

643
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: especially through scoring. Like Katie to me is a might

644
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: be a top ten player ever and that might be

645
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: like his floor, you know what I mean, Like that's

646
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: how good Katie is. Being outplayed by him is no shame.

647
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: I saw people like we're like laughing at that. I

648
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: was like, no, there's no shame in me out there.

649
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: Jest was incredible, honest was incredible. I just thought Katie

650
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: was better. You honest, didn't shrink from the series your

651
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: honest just he be honest, brought his best punch, and

652
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant's best punch was better. I thought that That's

653
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: just the way I interpreted that seriously. And Katie is

654
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: a super polished playoff performer, forget just regularly. He knows

655
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: exactly how playoffs work. He's been in a ton of them,

656
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: won two rings. Like he's a guy that really knows

657
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Um, So being outplayed by him is

658
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: no shame. And I agree with you. I think you're

659
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: honestly gonna touch a couple more finals before it's all

660
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: said and down. I just that's just how I see

661
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: his kind of career going out. But yeah, the students, Uh,

662
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: the students amazing and uh, I think even putting in

663
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: context like his numbers, you can't deny them anymore. His accolades,

664
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: you can't deny them. Two m vps. Uh. I don't

665
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: know if he has two Defensive Player of the Years.

666
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: I think I think his first last year Defensive Player

667
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: of the Year. So yeah, like I think he's gonna

668
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: be great. Um, and that's where his career is heading to.

669
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: When you're right at thirties, gonna be a monster six man,

670
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: that's in That's insane. This isn't a Apple's Apples comparison

671
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: because Lebron was twenty two when this happened, but it

672
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: kind of but you know, Janice isn't Lebron, and but

673
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: he's kind of on a similar type of trajectory. I

674
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: think in the sense that you know, the two thousand

675
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: seven playoff run from Lebron wasn't the playoff run where

676
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: he was gonna win a title. It never was. He

677
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: took him further than than you would have expected under

678
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: the circumstances. But what the two thousand seven playoff run

679
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: was was a week Eastern Conference, a Pistons team that

680
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: was kind of on the way out. Some things that

681
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: broke his way. It kind of like what happened with

682
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: the Honest here. Some things broke his way in this

683
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: playoff runts he benefited from some injury luck and so

684
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: what what what's interesting is you know that two thousand

685
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: seven run for Lebron, though, what did it tell us?

686
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: It told us that this guy's made of the right

687
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: stuff and that soon in the next few years, he's

688
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: going to elevate his game to a point where he

689
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: can dominate the league. That's what that told us, And

690
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: we were all right to have thought that. Well, that's

691
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: kind of where I am at with the honest is like,

692
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: this is like his two thousand seven finals run. He

693
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: gets he's getting to the finals. He's probably gonna lose

694
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: to a better team, but he's proving to all of

695
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: us that he is one thousand percent the real deal

696
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: in terms of that, you know, like they were asking, uh,

697
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: Bill Bill Simmons was asking, I think Kevin O'Connor in

698
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: his podcast, he goes, do you think Janice is capable

699
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: of like being a Pantheon guy, which he considers to be.

700
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: I think it's like his top fifteen players of all

701
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: time or something along those lines. Well, and they were

702
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: kind of bouncing around. I think I can't remember. I

703
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: think he said, don'tn't know. To me, that's ad percent,

704
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: absolutely yes, because you know, to be that kind of

705
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: level of player, all you need to do is to

706
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: have like a seven to eight year period of true

707
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: dominance where you win several championships, several m v ps,

708
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. You mean to tell me

709
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: Janice can't go from twenty seven to thirty three and

710
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 1: and just be a wrecking ball in the league. Of

711
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: course he can. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

712
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: He's wired. I mean, he needs to get better. I

713
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: just think he will. I think he will get better.

714
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: And like and in terms of his mentality, he's like

715
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: so he's like this weird hybrid of like Russell Westbrook

716
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: and Steph Curry where he's this consummate leader who always

717
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: is even keeled, but at the same time as this

718
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: unbelievable motor and and and so I I'm a I'm

719
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: a believer in what he can be, and I certainly

720
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: think he could go down as one of the best

721
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: players ever. Yeah, and I was just looking at his numbers.

722
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: He's twenty nine forty five in the last two games,

723
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Like that's that's that's absolutely ridiculous. Get again, Like the

724
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: no bad kind of conversation. I feel like there's a

725
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: lot of nuance to that, and I feel like there's

726
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: good arguments on both sides, like, yeah, he doesn't have

727
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: a heavy step back crossover, there's euro step, Like that's

728
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: skill you have to like work on and have to perfect.

729
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: And he understands angles, he understands where guys if he

730
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: hits them, where they fall off, Like that's all skill related.

731
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: And then like you just compare to a guy like

732
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons who number one pick, similar type of game,

733
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: similar type of uh trying to attack the rim, and

734
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: you just watch the mentality difference, and I think that's

735
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: kind of what separates them to right. Ben Simmons has

736
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: decided I'm never gonna shoot a jump shot ever, Like

737
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: that's just not what I'm doing. I'm gonna do what

738
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: I do. And there's a cap to your ceiling to

739
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: that even if you honest misses those shots, even though

740
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: people Charles Prokoly goes on TNT every time and like,

741
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: don't ever take a three? And yan his head like

742
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: why should I not take it three? I work on

743
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: this crab for hours and hours and hours. Of course

744
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take one, you know what I mean, Like

745
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: exactly yeah, and like again we don't. Basketball is not

746
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: played on a spreadsheet, you know what I mean. You

747
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: can't just type in be honese never shoot at three,

748
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: and he does that, you know what I mean, Like

749
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: that's just not how basketball works. We've all played. When

750
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: you're left open, you shoot, Like that's just just like

751
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: from a standard standard basketball, It's just how that works.

752
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: So it's funny watching that his mentality is what it is,

753
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: Like he's a guy that what drafted. I think you

754
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: have to like thirteenth or some some late kind of

755
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: first round. So his kind of arc is so different

756
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: that I feel like his success is his own villain

757
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: in this way, like he was too good too early,

758
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: like like people put championship or bus expectations on him.

759
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: Last year it was like twenty five, Like guys don't

760
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 1: even win their first house. I thought that was always

761
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. The Bucks were too good for their

762
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: own good, Like that's what he's funny, that's just kind

763
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: of where are we? And Luca is going to go

764
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: through this in the next two years, even though he's

765
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: not gonna be twenty three for another like three years

766
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: or two years or whatever. It is like these all

767
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: these guys because of the arrow and we're in and

768
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: their numbers are insane. I think we're gonna look at

769
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: Luca this way and in a short time too. Those

770
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: are the two guys though, Those are the two guys

771
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: that that I think are going to run the league,

772
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: um probably and obviously not together but on different teams.

773
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: But anyway, Uh. The last THINGLE say about you, honest

774
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: before we move on, is like, I'm actually okay with

775
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: him taking jump shots as long as it doesn't dominate

776
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: his shot selection. But I think he should take five

777
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: jump shots a game. I think he should take one

778
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: or two threes, and you know, one or two turnaround

779
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: pull ups and then another you know, off the dribble,

780
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: seventeen footer or when the defender sacks off of him,

781
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: if for nothing else, just to keep them honest. Variety

782
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: is what keeps a defender off balance. You have to

783
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: be able to you have to be able to. You know,

784
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: I tweeted something about this out yesterday, but it's like,

785
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, no fake that you make works unless it's

786
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: built on the foundation of an actual threat to score.

787
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: If I if I'm posting you up and I do

788
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: a shoulder fake to my left side, if I haven't

789
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: shown that I'll shoot over that shoulder, then you're gonna

790
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: ignore that fake, you know if if in vice verse,

791
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: so you need to Everything needs to be built on

792
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: the foundation of something that's real, uh and that the

793
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: defender has to think about. And so if you're your

794
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: honest and in an out dribble is the foundation for

795
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: a pull up jump shot because the balls in your

796
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: left hand and your and your you look like you're

797
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: about to get into a shot. If you can't at

798
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: least make the defender think about exiting his defensive stance

799
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: to take a lunge step forward to contest the shot,

800
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: then you're not going to get by. And you have

801
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: to you have to have that fear of every option

802
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: that's available. And so that's why, and that's what makes

803
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons so easy to guard is you don't even

804
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: have to if he if he if he comes, if

805
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: you go under a ball screen and he's standing but

806
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: naked at the top of the key, like you don't

807
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: even have to think about the fact that he might

808
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: try to make you pay for doing that, and that

809
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: just makes him that much easier to guard. Um. Do

810
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: you have anything else on your honest or the Bucks

811
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: or the Suns before we move on to Team USA? Uh? No,

812
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: I think that's it. Yeah, I feel like we we

813
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: really got into Uh, it's gonna be a fun game

814
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: for so we we'll see, should be a fun game

815
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: for and and Milwaukee's favored by four, so I will

816
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: be on the Suns and we'll see if my streak

817
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: of being right continues or if I lose all my money.

818
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: We'll see anyway, you've been on game three? Yeah, I've

819
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: bet everything and I've just rolled the winnings into the

820
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: next one. So so far, I've turned fifty bucks into

821
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: four hundred bucks. We'll see if that ends up being

822
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: oh Man by the end of the series, or if

823
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm broke. One of the two will happen. I'm not

824
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: touching it. I know if I bet Suns, the Bugs

825
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: are gonna win. So I leave it alone. Don't leave

826
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: it alone. Okay, So there's a couple of things with

827
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: this Team USA thing that I want to touch on.

828
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the officiating shortly, but the thing

829
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: that I wanted to start with is just this this

830
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: team construction. So I haven't watched gone back to watch

831
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: the Australia game yet, but I but I watched the

832
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: Nigeria game. Um, and I probably will go back and

833
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: watch the Australia game just because I think Australia is

834
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: a fun team to watch. Two there's such an interesting

835
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: group of of of ball players. But anyway, so this

836
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: is the thing that I think is super interesting, and

837
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use a personal experience for me personally just

838
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: to kind of explain in this. So you know, when

839
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: I was in junior college, I was an All Conference

840
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: offensive player. I've said this on this podcast before. And

841
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: then when I came to Arizona Christian the last school

842
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: that I played at, we were one of the best

843
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: teams in the country. We were top five in the

844
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: nation and a I A and we had two All

845
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: American guards and all of a sudden, they didn't need

846
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: me to score. And what was interesting was I really

847
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: struggled early in the season trying to be a scorer

848
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: and a third role, which was so different for me,

849
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: and I had some issues with it. But I remember

850
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: there was a film study, uh film session that we

851
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: had about a third of the way through the season,

852
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: and we had a really deep team with a lot

853
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: of talented guys. The guy behind me coming off the bench,

854
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: it was an All conference player the previous season at

855
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: the same position, and the coach got up and he goes,

856
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons why Jason is still

857
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: playing even though he hasn't been making shots at this

858
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: point in the season is he's defending like crazy, and

859
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: he's always doing the right thing within the offense and

860
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: the play like he's not he's running the plays properly,

861
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: he's not breaking off, he's staying within himself. That's why

862
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm continuing to play him, because I can trust him.

863
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: And it kind of resonated with me and the rest

864
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: of the season, I almost never shot. I would take

865
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: two or three shots a game, and I would just

866
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: guard the other team's best player. But I played, I started,

867
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: and I played, you know, the vast majority of the

868
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: game because of it. Because I took a larger role

869
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: that I had in the past, and I reconfigured it

870
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: into a smaller role to fit with better players to

871
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: win in a team concept. And you know, there's been

872
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: a lot of analytics guys going nuts on this Team

873
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: USA thing, being like points per game is overrated. A

874
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: lot of these players are overrated because they're putting up

875
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: big scoring numbers. That's bullshit. Scoring is every bit as

876
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: valuable as it's ever been. The ability to put the

877
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: basketball in the in the basket is extremely valuable. However,

878
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: within a team concept, that's just one of the things

879
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: that you need to do. You actually need to do

880
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: a great many things to win a basketball game. You

881
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: need to be physical at the point of attack defensively,

882
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: especially in FIBA when they allow you to be. You

883
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: need to be able to rebound, you need to be

884
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: able to uh to knock down spot up three's, not

885
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: crazy off the dribble three's. And what's happening with Team USA,

886
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is you've got a lot of guys

887
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: who are used to playing one role, which is this

888
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: alpha offensive role, that are now being forced into a

889
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: tertiary or an even further down the food chain type

890
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: of role, and they're not doing all the dirty work

891
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: that you have to do in those roles in order

892
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: to succeed. Zach Levine is used to being the guy

893
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: who takes a million shots and everyone else on the

894
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: team does all the dirty work. Well, guess what on

895
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: this team, Zach Lavine needs to be more like Michail Bridges.

896
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: He needs to be more like a guy who uses

897
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: his athleticism as a wing defensively and then takes shots

898
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: in the flow of the offense. Everything should be catch

899
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: and shoot for him. Everything for him should be attacking closeouts.

900
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: Everything need for him should be simplified to his specific role.

901
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: And it bothers me because, like I feel like all

902
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: of the people involve aolved with Team USA should know

903
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: this because this is literally what happened in two thousand eight.

904
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: If you remember, they lose in two thousand four, and

905
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: they lose in two thousand six, they lose twice, and

906
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: the whole thing became exactly what I'm saying, too many stars,

907
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: not enough role players. So if you remember they brought

908
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: on uh what were the who were the guys they

909
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: brought in? They brought on the lefty from the Bucks,

910
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: um Michael read as like a spot up shooter to

911
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: join the team. They on the two thousand twelve team,

912
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: they brought in Jason Kidd. On the two thousand eight team,

913
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: they brought in uh I think it was Mike Miller

914
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: was on that team too. They brought in role players,

915
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: They brought in guys to play roles instead of strictly

916
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: bringing stars. And then all of a sudden, here we

917
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: are ten years later and they've completely forgot that that

918
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: that lesson that they learned, Like, it does what I'm

919
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: saying is saying make any sense? Or do you think

920
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm crazy? It does? Really, I just want to preface

921
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: this is that two Expedition exhibition games, like they're not

922
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: going their hardest as well, right, people want Katie to

923
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: bend like it's the end, be a finals. He's not

924
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: going to. He knows like what the consequence of losing

925
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: these games are, which is nothing. Also, I think the

926
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: lead the world has kind of caught up a little bit,

927
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: Like I like, you watch Australia play and it's so

928
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: like this modern offense or running these double track screens

929
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: with for Patty Mills and he's coming off shooting like

930
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: he's Steph Curry, Like, I feel like the world also

931
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: has kind of caught up. But like, I don't know,

932
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: looking at their roster construction, there should be more than

933
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: enough talent to win. Like these other teams have a

934
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: few NBA players. We have all NBA dudes on this team.

935
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: They should be able to work it out. You can't

936
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: score any three points with like Dame Katie Tatum real

937
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: playing for you, Like these are offensive juggernauts at what

938
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: they do, not just good offensive role. But this is

939
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: not not like Dennis Shrewder. This is like the top

940
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: the top offensive level players. I think they'll figure it out. Um,

941
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: I think their talent is still enough. That's why I'm like,

942
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how to really blame. I know the

943
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: roster construction isn't perfect, but like they have a team

944
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: like all star level dudes that should be able to

945
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: figure it out high basketball. Like you guys, I think

946
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: Draymond is a guy that can do the stuff you're

947
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: talking about, the little stuff, the rebounding um, trying to

948
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: protect the rim. Playmate kind of moved the ball, be

949
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: a ball mover. Zach Lavine. I think Zach Lavine kind

950
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: of last night, at least when I was watching he

951
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: got shots that he usually guess those dribble step into threes,

952
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: that he took those. Dame is like the de facto

953
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: point guard on this team. Um, he's a guy running

954
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: all the ball screen action, trying to get people involved.

955
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: I think they'll figure it out. Um, it's not a

956
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: perfect roster. The talent discrepancy isn't like it wasn't two

957
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. Two thousand eight, they had Kobe Lebron.

958
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: I think Durant was was Durant on that team or

959
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: he wasn't drafted yet. He was in twenty twelve team

960
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: Kobe Lebron Durant. They were beating teams by like forty

961
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: and fifty like in two twelve. I remember those games.

962
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: I don't think this team will do that, but there

963
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: still should be enough talent to kind of override that.

964
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: It's been two games. I expect the chemistry to pick up.

965
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: I expect their them and know each other's tendencies. It

966
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: felt like it felt like a little bit more serious

967
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: All Star game to where they're trying to, you know,

968
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: be a little bit more unselfish than they're used to. Um,

969
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I saw. Did you see a

970
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: little bit as well. Yeah, I mean the I think

971
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: that it's better to lose early and to build that

972
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: urgency when things don't matter, than to skate by in

973
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: some of these games to convince yourself it's not a problem,

974
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: and then to and to succeed later. To your point,

975
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: they have guys on the roster that will do the

976
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: dirty work. They just have to do it. I mean,

977
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about defense on this roster,

978
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: right We've we've all heard it. I'm sorry, but if

979
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: you're starting lineup as Bam Jayson Tatum and Kevin Durant,

980
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: you should be locking teams up. A lot of exactly

981
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: A lot of this is effort. Like you said, they

982
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: aren't giving their best. The one thing that concerns me

983
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: about that though, is and you can tell me if

984
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: you disagree, Raj, but like the they're never going to

985
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: be able to match the effort. So or I shouldn't

986
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: even say the effort. The the it's way more more important.

987
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: This is somebody uh j is. His name is buddy

988
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: of mine on Twitter. He played Division one ball out

989
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: in California, I think, and he tweeted this out yesterday

990
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: and I thought it made perfect sense. He's like, it

991
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: just doesn't mean the same to these guys to play

992
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: for USA that it does for the Nigerians to play

993
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: for Nigeria, or the Australians to play for Australia. For

994
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: Luca to play for the Slavonian national team, like, it

995
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: means so much more to them to do what they're

996
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: doing than it does for the Americans to play for

997
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: the USA. There's a lot of reasons for that that

998
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: we're not going to get into, but as far as

999
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: they're concerned, it's just less important. So that's going to

1000
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: be a factor throughout this entire run in my opinion,

1001
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: And you're right, the world has caught up. The other

1002
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: teams are like Nigeria, the Nigerian team is ten times

1003
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: better than they were ten years ago. You know, the

1004
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: USA beat them by a d I think the previous

1005
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: time they had played them. So like, there's just more

1006
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: talent globally, and they give a ship and the Americans

1007
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: kind of don't. And so that will be a factor

1008
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: throughout the whole process. Now, I I'm with you. I

1009
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: think that as this progresses, Popovich is going to be

1010
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: able to get stars to buy into roles. You're gonna

1011
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: get guys of the caliber of a Jason Tatum to

1012
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: embrace being Hey, like, this is Katie and Dame's team,

1013
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna be a three and D guy. You know,

1014
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna get guys to embrace all of that. Bam

1015
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: is going to be like, you know, maybe I'm not

1016
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: Miami Bam. Maybe I'm more of like a DeAndre and

1017
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: type of role where I'm just letting them do all

1018
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: of the the offensive work and I'm just gonna bruise

1019
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: the hell out of everybody with my physicality. You know,

1020
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna I think they're gonna get into

1021
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: their roles and I think they're gonna get it going,

1022
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna be able to win this

1023
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: tournament when it comes down to it. Yeah, I think

1024
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: the roles will be more defined as we go on here. Um,

1025
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: Katie was still amazing. He had like a bunch of

1026
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: really tough three point shots that he hits. But you

1027
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: could tell they're like in a relaxed kind of mode

1028
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: on the other side, going hard as they should. That Jr.

1029
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: Played their Assholt like they wanted to win that game,

1030
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: and that was one and people are saying that's one

1031
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: of the biggest upsets UM that they've seen. Right in

1032
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: in uh In Viva Basketball UM. Australia as well. They

1033
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: wanted to win that. You could tell. Joe Ingles was

1034
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: fired up, Patty Mills was fired up. When they played

1035
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: the USA. You watched, you watch Katie and Dame's body

1036
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: language compared to like the Australia players, you know, I

1037
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: mean they they want to win, that they're fired up,

1038
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: they want to be team is say, and you know

1039
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: the other side is just kind of kicking the ball around,

1040
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: trying to you know, trying to I'm not saying they

1041
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: didn't want to win, but it just didn't feel like

1042
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: as intense as I think in actual game would and

1043
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: they could still lose. I mean, this team isn't I

1044
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: still think they have a huge talent advantage, but it's

1045
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: not like it was UM in previous years. The world

1046
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: has definitely caught up and these teams practiced together right

1047
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: Like Australia, this team knows each other. You could tell

1048
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: their actions are Chris, they know exactly what they want

1049
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: to run. UM, they know what they're doing on the

1050
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: offensive end. Meanwhile, like team you say, is still trying

1051
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: to figure out The King's still trying to figure out

1052
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: what they wanted do. That's what I saw the difference

1053
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: in these first two games. Um the effort and those

1054
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: teams know each other a little bit more um than

1055
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: this one. That's super interesting that you bring that up,

1056
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: because I was going to say that earlier to like

1057
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: the these national teams generally bring the same guys to

1058
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: every tournament. Yeah, and Team USA is so radically different

1059
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: every time they send a team because it's like what

1060
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: what uh you know what a sponsorship type of deals

1061
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: or you're running over the summer that are gonna make

1062
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: it so that you can't get out, Like oh uh,

1063
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: space jam is happening, so I can't play this year?

1064
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, you know, Like literally, that's the issue

1065
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: that a lot of these American players deal with that

1066
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: the guys overseas don't have to deal with, and so

1067
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: they bring the same group of guys. Um, how do

1068
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: you think. I don't think officiating is the reason why

1069
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: the Americans are struggling. I do think that they have

1070
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: struggled with it, but I think they can win in

1071
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: spite of that. What did you make of the officiating?

1072
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: Do you think it's impacting their ability to win these

1073
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: games games. Do you like the way Feeble as officiated?

1074
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: What has been your your thought process with that? Oh?

1075
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: I love the officiating. I love that they look at

1076
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: the ref and the ref just tells them to play on. Like,

1077
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it that it's pretty much like open

1078
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: run kind of where like you can't just call these

1079
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: bogus fouls. You see Damon bal drive, trip on their

1080
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: own leg, throw the ball up, try to draw a foul,

1081
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: and these refs are just not buying it. Um. I love.

1082
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: I love the kind of physicality that they also allow.

1083
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: It just feels like a little bit more like not.

1084
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: I know it's still the modern game as well, a

1085
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: lot of high pick and roll, but they allow a

1086
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: little bit more hand checking as well. You kind of

1087
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: put your handle and defender um as they used to.

1088
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: I tooted it out. Eighty three points is inexcusable, and

1089
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: people are telling like, well, it's the feeble rules. A

1090
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: few rules does not stop Damian Lillard, Bradley Beale, Jason

1091
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: Tam Kevin Durant from getting baskets. USA scored one point

1092
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: in the final four minutes and thirty seconds of that

1093
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: game like that, that does shouldn't happen for a team

1094
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: with this much offensive talent. I don't care what the

1095
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: rules are, I don't care what the physicality allow. Like that,

1096
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: just that just should not happen. I don't think it will.

1097
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: But I love, I love what the rest are doing. Man,

1098
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: people want their FEBA reffs to kind of move into

1099
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: the USA. Um. I don't think that's how that works.

1100
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: I think they're allowed to kind of call the games

1101
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: this way. Um, they don't. I saw Kevin Love trying

1102
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: to draw a foul at the three point line. I

1103
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: don't know if he saw that were like he pumped baked,

1104
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: try to put his body into the defender and shoot

1105
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: at three, you know, just the unnatural shooting motion, and

1106
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: the ref absolutely ignored it, did not even give it

1107
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: any kind of any kind of daylight. So um, I

1108
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: love with the rest are doing. I don't think it's why.

1109
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: I think it's an adjustment. But like, I don't think

1110
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: that's why they lost these first two games. I think

1111
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: A hundred has to do more with effort and also

1112
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: continuity of the teams. Any other teams playing a lot harder,

1113
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: like you said, and that's where I see. I don't think.

1114
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 1: I think they'll adjust pretty quickly to these uh FEBA rules. Yeah,

1115
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: I I I'm with you. I can't. It can't be

1116
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: used as an excuse. Um. Yeah, as far as like

1117
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: I absolutely wish the NBA was officiated in this fashion, Um,

1118
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, I do disagree with Like there was one

1119
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: exchange that I saw on Twitter where you know where

1120
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: people there's the and I've seen this kind of talking

1121
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: point happen a lot over the last year because officiating

1122
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: has been such a problem in the NBA. But it's

1123
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: like who's to blame. Is it the rules or is

1124
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: it the officials? And so many people want to blame

1125
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: the league in the rules, but I do I do

1126
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: think the officials carry a good amount of the blame

1127
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 1: because they are officiating in a way that is hurting

1128
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: the league. And the reason why I say that is,

1129
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: guess what. You're not allowed to foul people in FIBA.

1130
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: That's not the rule. The rule is not you're allowed

1131
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: to grab at you who was driving past you. The

1132
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: rule is not if Kevin loved pump Fakes, you're allowed

1133
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: to run into him while he's shooting. Those are not

1134
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: the rules. What's happening there is the referees are showing discretion.

1135
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: They are saying amongst themselves and to the players, if

1136
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: you try to foul bait, I'm not rewarding you. It is.

1137
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: It's a psychology with the refs that they are imprinting

1138
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: as their interpretation of the rules. In FEBA, you're not

1139
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: allowed to foul, but the refs are saying, if you're

1140
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: trying to fool me, if you're trying to flop and

1141
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: make it look like you're getting fouled, I'm not gonna

1142
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: reward reward you. And that's what the basketball that's that's

1143
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: the way that the NBA needs to approach this is.

1144
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: It's not about changing rules. The rules are fine. There

1145
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: are a couple of rules they need to change, Like

1146
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, you know something silly like if you

1147
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: attempt to draw some sort of jump shot foul. That's

1148
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: an unorthodox Yeah, we check out outside out of bounds

1149
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: instead of free throws, that sort of thing. But in

1150
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: terms of the nuts and bolts of the way the

1151
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: game is set up with the rules, there's nothing wrong

1152
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: with that. Necessarily, it's officials that are baited into fouls

1153
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: from players. They play that game with the players, and

1154
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: it's a mutue and the players are partially to blame

1155
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: for the record. The players and the officials have built

1156
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: this relationship where they have allowed you to manipulate them,

1157
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: and and in FIBA that relationship doesn't exist. They don't

1158
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: put up with it, and the game is better for it.

1159
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: You know, if if if Kevin Love shot that exact

1160
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: same three without doing the crazy pump, fake lean in

1161
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: type of deal, and the dude hit him in the

1162
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: exact same way, I think he gets the call. It's

1163
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: it's part of that psychology they're fighting against ref manipulation,

1164
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: which I think is good, and so I think I

1165
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: think that's the part that needs to be fixed, even

1166
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: more so than any sort of rule change, if that

1167
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, I don't know if you caught the

1168
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 1: World Cup game to England versus um Italy World Cup,

1169
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm not World Cup, sorry euro Final, um don't. I've

1170
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: heard about it, but I didn't see it. Yeah, So

1171
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: just it's so funny watching that and seeing the refs,

1172
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: like even the refs there are even more of a

1173
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: like like guys will in soccer. I guess guys, I'm

1174
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: new to soccer, so like that the guy would the

1175
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: guy would fall and then like he would hold his

1176
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: knee like in driving pain, right, like driving pain, like

1177
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: absolutely hold it like screaming, and the ref would just

1178
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: be like no, no, no, no, no, we're not doing this.

1179
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: And then like and then two minutes later, the guy

1180
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: will get up and just start playing again. I'm like,

1181
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: oh my god, like and they do this a lot,

1182
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: but the ref just does not go for it at all.

1183
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: They just kept trying to move on. I think they

1184
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: called like two about two flatterever even red cards started

1185
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: two cars or whatever. Yeah, yeah, two cars over the

1186
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: whole time. So it's amazing to watch that and then

1187
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: also watching Viva. Kind of the refs. Those refs don't

1188
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: have relationship with the players, right, NBA refs they go

1189
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 1: to every game, the players know them, know them by name,

1190
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: the family, whatever, And you talked about it in the NBA.

1191
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: Superstars in the NBA can impact a game more than

1192
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: any other sport. And when that happens, like there's domino

1193
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: effects to that. So superstars also have relationship with the refs.

1194
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: They have a little bit more, you know, they just

1195
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: know them a little more. It's just funny watching Bradley

1196
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: Beal and Dame falling and look around for like a

1197
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: ref they know, and there's no ref they know, so

1198
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: they have to like just keep playing. Is it's so

1199
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: funny to kind of watch that, And I would like

1200
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: that a little bit more in the NBA, for sure.

1201
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how you uphold that, especially when these

1202
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,479
Speaker 1: rests have been in the league for twenty thirty years.

1203
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: You know, the same refs of rep the final, I

1204
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: think they said, like I forgot who the name was

1205
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: the referee, but where everything like twenty finals or on

1206
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: like that, Like you've been repping the same way for

1207
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: a very long time. Um, and I just don't think

1208
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: that's going to switch anytime soon. So I don't know

1209
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: where they go from there. Human beings are creatures of

1210
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: habit and and and But that's what I figured she

1211
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: said anyway. Anyway, But my dad used to say this

1212
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: to me all the time, like people as they get,

1213
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: as they get older, it's far less likely for them

1214
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: to change. So I agree with you. I think I

1215
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: think it's something that that that gets complicated, you know.

1216
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: At the at the end of the day, I'm okay

1217
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: with players taking a gamesmanship from players. I'm okay with

1218
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: players taking advantage of the way things are. That's part

1219
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: of just a desire to win. We talked about this

1220
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: with Chris Paul last week. However, I think part of

1221
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,959
Speaker 1: the league's job is to legislate gamesmanship out of the game,

1222
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: because gamesmanship should not determine who wins. It should be

1223
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: who's the better basketball team. So like, I'm pro taking

1224
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 1: advantage of it while you can. However, I think it's

1225
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: the league's job to get it out. It's important for

1226
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: the league to find out how to stop this sort

1227
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: of thing. Guys James Harden grabbing an arm and throwing

1228
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: him up in the air, or or Dame Lillard just

1229
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: throwing his body on the ground trying to draw jump

1230
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: shot out all of that. In my opinion, they need

1231
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: to try to get it out because it's not basketball,

1232
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: you know that. And and then guess what, Dame is

1233
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: really good. He's gonna find a way to be effective

1234
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: without it. That's just the way that that that's the

1235
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: way that those top echelon stars are. Did you have

1236
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: anything else on Team USA for me move on? The

1237
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: only thing was, like, I think they're going to figure

1238
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: it out and I think the craziest thing was, like,

1239
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: I hope people are joking about the Katie can't handle

1240
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: the pressure of a second exposition game. Like, I think

1241
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: those takes are really funny and kind of crazy. I

1242
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: guess that's kind of what Twitter is for. But um,

1243
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that's pretty much it. Man. I

1244
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: don't know what. I don't want to take too much

1245
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: from two exhibition games. Um, it's hard to really break down.

1246
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: It felt like they were just playing a friendly with

1247
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: another team that was going really hard. So people should

1248
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: calm down. The USA is gonna be fine. That going

1249
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: to go out in like the first round or something, though,

1250
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: they'll be fine. I'm glad you mentioned that because I

1251
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: actually thought about this yesterday, Like, it sucks so bad. Now,

1252
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: First of all, Twitter trolls are Twitter trolls. You're never

1253
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: gonna satis. But it sucks so bad that Katie was

1254
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 1: so incredible in that playoff run and here he comes

1255
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: into this really funky basketball situation, which, by the way,

1256
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: it's just really hard. I mean like it's it's it's

1257
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: really hard for guys after never playing together before, to

1258
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: just come together and figure out how to play basketball.

1259
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: So I I sympathize with Kevin Durant because he's gonna

1260
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: get if they do happen to lose, which is certainly

1261
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: a possibility, He's gonna get blamed, and I don't I

1262
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: don't think that's fair. But at the end of the day, like,

1263
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: because we know why Kevin Durants there. Kevin Durant there

1264
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: because he loves to play basketball and he had an

1265
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: opportunity to play more basketball. I be I wouldn't be

1266
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: surprised if he plays in four years. Like this is

1267
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: just the way Kevin Durant is and it just sucks

1268
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: because he's gonna get blamed for this if it goes south.

1269
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's fair. Yeah, really quickly before

1270
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: we get out of here, I wanted to do two things.

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna quickly touch on Ben Simmons and then and

1272
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: then we'll tell our stupid stories. So, um, Ben Simmons

1273
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: news came down, not a shock. We all expected this.

1274
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: Let's just make this really simple. Where do you want

1275
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons to end up? Man, I have no clue,

1276
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: to be honest, I would like a team where, like

1277
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: I would have loved him in Houston kind of where

1278
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: they can kind of build around him and kind of

1279
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: build around his strength as like a driver, transition player,

1280
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: um finding shooters. But like watching the playoffs, I wonder

1281
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: how much that's more theoretical than like actually who he is.

1282
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: Like if you give Ben Simmons his own team, is

1283
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: that how it would work? Or does he still become

1284
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: really like, uh, kind of shy on the court or

1285
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: like you know, kind of melts under like real playoff

1286
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: type intensity. I have no clue. I think he does

1287
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: need a new situation and looks like he's going to

1288
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: get that. So I wouldn't like to see him on

1289
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: like some super rebuilding team though, like like Orlando or

1290
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: something where you know, it's just like if you get

1291
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: Ben Spence, him is there, it's just like it's it's

1292
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't really help your team. In my opinion, he

1293
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: needs a good team around him. He needs shooters. I

1294
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: really don't know, how about you. Do you have like

1295
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: a team that that you would like him to go to.

1296
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 1: So I just want to see what it would look

1297
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: like if he played in the true five out system

1298
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: where he was able to get to the rim or

1299
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: kick out the shooters, because those are strengths his strengths

1300
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: are he can get to the rim and and he's

1301
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: a great passer. He's great at finding openings in a defense.

1302
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: You know. Uh in the times when he had success

1303
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: in Philly, a lot of it had to do with

1304
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: when Joe El Embiid was down early on and he

1305
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: was just the guy the team that I that I've

1306
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: seen brought up that makes a lot of sense to me.

1307
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: As Minnesota, I think it'd be really interesting because of

1308
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Towns if you could somehow do some sort

1309
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: of swap where Ben Simmons goes and I don't know

1310
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: if he said D'Angelo Russell back or or or a

1311
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: bunch of draft picks or whatever. It looks like you're

1312
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: capitalizing in that case on Ben Simmons being cheap right

1313
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: now because he just played so poorly. But Minnesota would

1314
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:19,959
Speaker 1: be a really interesting one because it'd be a true

1315
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: five out system. He'd be running pick and rolls with

1316
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: a guy who can pop to the three point line

1317
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: and shoot you know, forte on wide open three point

1318
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: shots like Carl Towns, and there's a lot of talent

1319
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: on that roster. With the guy like Anthony Edwards. You know,

1320
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: there's some spacing issues there because he's not a great shooter,

1321
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: but that that would be a team, the kind of

1322
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: team that I think would make sense. I just don't

1323
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: want to see him go to another place where he's

1324
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: gonna have the exact same problems that he had before,

1325
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: if that made sense for sure. And the sun of

1326
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: this that, like I see a lot of people bringing

1327
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: up trade like Phillies and win now mode, Like they

1328
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: can't replace Ben Simmons with like three first round picks.

1329
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: That doesn't do anything for him. That the jewel and

1330
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: reads and window mode. That Philly team is a window mode.

1331
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: They're playing Tobias Harris bi jillion dollars, you know what

1332
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, that's where they are if you swap

1333
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons. D'Angelo Russell like to me, like if I'm

1334
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: looking that at as Philly, like my offense gets a

1335
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: bit better, like I have a better pick and roll

1336
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: a ball handler, but my defense gets insanely worse right

1337
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: like and and that Philly team to me, is built

1338
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: around this like rugged defense and bea Simmons kind of

1339
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: manning the manning the helm with that and then um

1340
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: kind of getting enough offense from there. I don't know

1341
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: where they go, like who is who or who is

1342
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: trading Philly a good enough player that replaces Ben Simmons

1343
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: um to where they're better, Like those options are so

1344
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: low to me. Again, team like Houston, I don't know

1345
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: what they would have to give up again, like the

1346
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: team you men in Minnesota. D'Angel Russell is probably the

1347
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: most likely one for salary matches. But I don't know

1348
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: if that makes Philly better like that there in wind

1349
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: now Mo. That's what makes it so interesting. Usually, like

1350
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: you don't trade your second All star, like you know

1351
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: what I mean, who's twenty I don't know how old

1352
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons is. He's like twenty seven years old. But

1353
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: they absolutely just create came in the press, They created

1354
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: him after the game to where you have to trade him.

1355
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 1: You can't bring Ben Simmons back. Um. So it's they're

1356
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: in a weird situation where like everybody knows they're trying

1357
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: to trade him, and like, so you're gonna get two

1358
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: Michian returns on that in my opinion. But I don't know,

1359
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: like the Warriors would would they take like a Draymond Back.

1360
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how that would work and why why?

1361
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,959
Speaker 1: Why would they do that, Why would Portland want Ben

1362
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: Simmons to take the ball out of Damian Lillard's hand?

1363
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: You know, like why would You're right? Like for both

1364
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: for for to make sense for both teams. It needs

1365
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: Philly to stay relevant and it needs and it needs

1366
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: the team that they're going to to actually need a

1367
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: ball handler because that's what Ben Simmons is. And I

1368
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: don't know, man, it's it's it's really tricky. I don't know.

1369
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: If you go to Sacramento and I don't know, try

1370
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: to do like a Deer and Fox type of deal,

1371
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: but I don't know why they would do that. Like

1372
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's tough because Ben Simmons presents a

1373
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: problem to whoever takes him. You need him to have

1374
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: ball in his hands because he can't do anything off

1375
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: the ball. So that that that's the that's the issue

1376
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: that's presented if he if he doesn't have the ball,

1377
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: he has to stay in the dunker spot, you know,

1378
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: and he becomes basically like a like Andre Roberson, you know,

1379
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what he becomes if his if if

1380
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: he can't be have the ball in his hands. So

1381
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm with you, man, it's A, it's a it's a

1382
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: tough one. I don't I don't necessarily know what the

1383
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: answer is. Let me throw one at you. So like

1384
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: I see Philly fans, you know they're they're already had

1385
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: their Dame photoshops or whatever. If Dame kind of requests

1386
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: a trap, I'm not saying he would, but like if

1387
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: he did, is like Simmons and thiable enough you think

1388
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: or do you think they able to get more for

1389
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: Dame on like an open and open market, Like I

1390
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: feel like that's the kind of deal where like Portland

1391
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of feel good, like they get a budding superstar

1392
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: in Portland where you know, free agents don't really come

1393
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: at twenty four years old, he's locked into a contract

1394
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: and you get a young guy like Kibal. Maybe Philly

1395
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: throws in a couple more things, but I feel like

1396
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: that's the kind of deal where both teams can kind

1397
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: of walk away from the table and feel like we

1398
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: got something. But Ben Simmons played so poorly. Like when

1399
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: you think now, when you look at it, you think

1400
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons for Dame, You're like, oh man, that's that

1401
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: feels like a lot for Dames. I mean, not enough

1402
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: for Dame. So what do you think about that one?

1403
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: Because that's the one I've been kind of thinking about. Um,

1404
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: that's the only one that really makes sense to me

1405
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: from like where that would work money wise, and the

1406
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: team has a team built for him kind of where

1407
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: you can Reportland can still kind of edit their roster

1408
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: to kind of maneuver around Simmons um since and then

1409
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: they'll obviously moving the column. I'm guessing in that situation,

1410
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: but like that's the only kind of real deal. I see,

1411
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: what do you think about that one? Have you? Have

1412
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: you seen the title odds for next year? Mm? Hmm,

1413
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: so did you so the title odds for next year?

1414
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: So Golden State as the third most likely team to

1415
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 1: win the championship, behind the Lakers and nets um which,

1416
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: think to yourself, is there any reason why Golden State

1417
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: should be considered better than the Clippers next year, or

1418
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: the Sun's or or Denver Like? No, right, because Golden

1419
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: State is basically getting back Clay Thompson, who is more

1420
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: or less coming off too incredibly severe injuries. There the

1421
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: reason why Vegas has Golden State as the third favorite

1422
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: is they know that if a star comes available this summer,

1423
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: no one's beating their offer, because if you get if

1424
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: if you're trading with Golden State, what you're getting back

1425
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: is probably going to be Wiggan Wiggins Wiseman seven and fourteen.

1426
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: So you're getting a salary filler type of dude in Wiggins,

1427
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: You're getting James Wiseman, who was one of the top

1428
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: prospects in last year's draft, and you're getting two lottery

1429
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: picks this year. There's no offer out there that can

1430
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: match that, including including Ben Simmons. So what I'm saying

1431
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: is the way Ben Simmons could bring back someone of

1432
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: Dame's caliber or Bradley Beale's caliber is only if both

1433
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: of them get traded. Because if one of them comes available,

1434
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,439
Speaker 1: Golden States beating you because why would you want Ben

1435
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: Simmons if you could have Wiseman and two lottery picks

1436
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: from this draft? If that makes sense, because Ben Simmons

1437
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: is like we kind of already know what he is,

1438
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: which is an extremely flawed star. Wiseman could very well

1439
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: be another futuristic center, and the two picks from this

1440
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: draft could be anything like you know, I I have

1441
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: a feeling Vegas snows. Golden State's gonna win the bidding

1442
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: war for the star that comes available this summer. If

1443
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: that makes sense, it does. I just maybe that's a

1444
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: great offer for Bradley Beal. But like my my ow

1445
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: thing was that I don't think Wiseman showed end up

1446
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: like Wiseman I think has a lot of potential. It

1447
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: just I don't think he showed enough in that first

1448
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: year to kind of warrant to be like this center

1449
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,479
Speaker 1: of a trade package. Seven and fourteen are great picks,

1450
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: but like fourteen is the middle of the first round.

1451
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: Seven is late, not late lottery. But like, if you're Philly,

1452
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: what does that do for you? You know what I mean?

1453
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: Like law for Ben Simmons to the Warriors, they offer you, Wiggins. No, no,

1454
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you. I'm not saying Philly would trade

1455
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: for the Golden State package. What I'm saying is, so

1456
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: you had mentioned what if Philly went after Dame, And

1457
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is if Dame was available, Philly is

1458
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: not winning because Golden State has a better package. What

1459
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: what What I'm explicitly saying is that Philly can't win.

1460
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: Philly can't win a bidding war for a superstar unless

1461
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 1: two of them become available, because the first one, Golden

1462
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: State's gonna win. In my opinion, They're gonna have their pick.

1463
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: If both if both Bradley Beale and Damian Lillard this

1464
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: summer come out and say we want to trade, then

1465
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: Golden States getting whichever one of those two they want,

1466
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: and then Ben Simmons might be the one who closes

1467
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 1: the deal on the other. But if only Beal is available,

1468
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: Golden State's getting him. If only Dame is available, Golden

1469
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: State's getting them in my opinion, because of the fact

1470
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: that their trade package, everyone else is going to be

1471
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: able to offer distant draft pick years down the line.

1472
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: They might be able to get a young star, but

1473
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 1: Golden State's the only one that can give you the

1474
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 1: young prospect in Wiseman and the draft picks and a

1475
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: solid role player someone like Andrew Wiggins. Or they could

1476
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: probably sign and trade an ubree into there to fill

1477
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: salary or something along those lines. But Golden State has

1478
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: the treasure trove of assets that they they have the

1479
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: Godfather offer, which is why Vegas has Golden State as

1480
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: more likely to win the title next year than Phoenix

1481
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: or the Clippers. You know what I mean, Like, look

1482
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 1: at how good Phoenix is in Vegas thinks the Golden

1483
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: State Warriors are more likely to win next year, you

1484
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: know what I mean? No, yeah, for sure. I guess

1485
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: like just from my perspective, I feel like most teams

1486
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: in markets like Lollington in Portland's they want the surefire

1487
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: star like I feel like they would like just this

1488
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: is my preference, Like I feel like they would take

1489
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons over over that offer. But you might be right.

1490
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: I'm Oklahoma City obviously has the crazy draft capital where

1491
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: if they want too, they could throw thirty first round

1492
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: picks as some team and say, you know, try to

1493
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: retract that offer. So it's just interesting, um how that works.

1494
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: I follow Warriors people and like they kind of I

1495
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: think they feel like the Warriors aren't going to trade

1496
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: both of those picks, right, just well, at least just

1497
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: like the consensus I'm seeing, Like because they just hired

1498
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: two draft coach developmental coaches I think and at Kenny

1499
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: Atkinson and someone else. Um, just showing like I think

1500
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: they're really gonna try to invest in They're trying to

1501
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: do both, right, They're trying to win now and also

1502
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: invest in young players. And when you do both, you

1503
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: do neither right. So so, but I feel like that's

1504
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: where they're going with this. UM. I think the Lakers

1505
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: try to do this a little bit too right when

1506
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: they had Lebron that first year, and also try to

1507
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: develop Alonzo and Ingram and you know, and Couz and

1508
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: acoustall on the team. But like you know, they try

1509
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: to do both and then you find out you do

1510
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: neither doing that. UM, you don't win enough to to

1511
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: go in that route. So I don't know, I feel

1512
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: like that's a good offer. I just don't think for

1513
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 1: a winning team that makes sense. Maybe for Shington, but

1514
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: like so Fantasy World, Fantasy World Lakers, they need to

1515
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 1: trade Lebron for some reason. Would you rather have Ben

1516
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: Simmons and Phillies draft first round draft picks for the

1517
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: next seven years or would you rather have Wiggins Wiseman

1518
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: in fourteen and seven? If I'm trading Lebron James, I

1519
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: need a lot more than just fantasy. Do you think

1520
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: is better? Yeah, you're if you're a team that is

1521
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: somewhat relevant like that. That's so interesting. I feel like

1522
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: if eight is still on the roster, I would probably

1523
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: still go with the Simmons package. I'd take the Star

1524
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: and then just figure the rest out later at seven

1525
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 1: and fourteen, aren't going to help me in the next

1526
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: two years, three years. Like I'm in wind now mode.

1527
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: I have eighty on a maxim. But if I'm Washington

1528
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: or Portland and losing Dame or Bill, I'm going full rebuild.

1529
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah that's you're going to prioritize the Golden State package everything. Yeah,

1530
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: for sure, if you're those teams, you get the two

1531
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: pigs plus wise men probably plus even a little bit more.

1532
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: In my opinion, like like Bill goes, Bild goes on

1533
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: the open market, Like I think every team's gonna throw

1534
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: their best offer, um the word. Maybe the Warriors offers

1535
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: the best. I don't know. I've really looked. I haven't

1536
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: really seen the market, but it's interesting. Man, I don't

1537
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: know where Simmons goes, but he's definitely not in Philly, right.

1538
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: I think we agree with that. Next year he'll be honest,

1539
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: I think he'll be gone unless unless everyone stings you

1540
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: with their offers. But we'll see. I tend to think

1541
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: that it's more everyone always says like, oh, wait till

1542
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, Wait till the trade deadline. I tend

1543
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: to think that it's way better to get a guy

1544
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: in for training camp, and that's the urgency, you know. Like,

1545
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason why the Lakers looked

1546
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 1: so good with a d is that they went through

1547
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: a whole season with a training camp rather than trading

1548
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: for him at the previous trade deadline, you know, and

1549
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: having to be crazy in that regard. Um, did you

1550
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 1: have anything else on this or do you want to

1551
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: get to our last topic before we get out here? Yeah?

1552
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: I think that was good on Simmons. I'll be quick

1553
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: because I know you gotta go to work. But this

1554
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: was a hilarious story because I I I like to

1555
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: think that that you and I are fully functioning, intelligent

1556
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,759
Speaker 1: human beings and and but every once in a while

1557
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: we have are our incredibly stupid moments. And I've had

1558
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: more than more than enough for one lifetime. But I

1559
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: had never run out of gas before. And for the record,

1560
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 1: I didn't technically run out of gas. But what happened

1561
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: was is I was going to go golfing with my

1562
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,560
Speaker 1: brother and I was driving across town and I was

1563
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: running a little bit late for the tea time, and

1564
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: I saw that I only had like seven miles of

1565
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: range you know, and obviously this is a different era.

1566
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: You and I talked before the podcast, like, how do

1567
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: you know when you're going to run out of gas?

1568
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: Like you'd see the E symbol and you know you

1569
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: can go some amount past it, but you don't know

1570
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: how far before you run out. Well, the range is

1571
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: like a number, and I'm very analytical thinker thinker, So

1572
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: when I see, oh, I have seven miles of range,

1573
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 1: they're literally saying like, I can go seven miles and

1574
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: then the thing is gonna stop, you know. So so

1575
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: my wife and I had plans that night. So I

1576
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: get in the car after golfing and I called my wife.

1577
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: And as I'm talking to my wife, I drive by

1578
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: a few gas stations. I get off the phone with

1579
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: my wife. I'm on a major Tusson Street. Okay, major

1580
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: Tusson Street, major cross street that goes across the entire city.

1581
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: I get on it, and I get off the phone

1582
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: with my wife, and I look down. I only have

1583
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: five miles of range, and I go, Okay, I need

1584
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: to stop at the next gas station I see, but

1585
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm on this major street, so I'm just gonna go. Well,

1586
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: I start driving and I make it a few blocks down.

1587
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I have to two miles of

1588
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: range and I haven't seen a gas station, and and

1589
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, So I quickly pull over in the

1590
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: side of the road into a into a little shopping center,

1591
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: and I'll pull up the GPS and there's randomly, for

1592
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: whatever reason, on this big stretch of street, no gas

1593
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,919
Speaker 1: stations in this like entire little sea is stretch of Tusson.

1594
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, oh my god, I'm I literally

1595
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: can't get to a gas station right now. I look

1596
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: up the GPS, and I look up all the gas

1597
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: stations nearby. Nothing's within four miles. I literally had to uber,

1598
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 1: uh in a hundred and seven degree heat to a

1599
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 1: gas station. I get to the gas station and there's

1600
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: no gas can. I look on the shelf, says gas can.

1601
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: There's no gas can. I go to the lady. I'm like,

1602
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: can you check in the back She doesn't have one.

1603
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: I had to uber to another gas station, get to there.

1604
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: There's no gas can, and I go up to the

1605
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: guy and I'm like, hey, man, can you please go

1606
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: look at your backstock for for a gas can? And

1607
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: he's like he's like, well, we don't have backstock, but

1608
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 1: we've got a shed outside. But I'm the only one

1609
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: working today, so I can't leave the store. And I'm

1610
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: like about to lose my mind. I look at the

1611
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: guy and I'm like, I'll watch the store. Can you

1612
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 1: please go out there, I'm stranded, you know that. Finally

1613
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: the guy that goes out and he comes back in

1614
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: with a gas can and uh and then he's all like,

1615
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: I found one. I'm like, yeah, thanks, appreciate it to

1616
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: buy it, fill up with gas, drive all the way

1617
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: back by the time I got home, and it's taken

1618
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: me two hours to do like a thirty minute drive.

1619
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: And again, as Roger and I were discussing, and this

1620
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: is something I'm hoping that somebody can answer for us.

1621
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: If the range says seven miles, does that actually means

1622
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 1: seven miles or does it go to zero? And then

1623
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,799
Speaker 1: you enter some weird twilight zone where you can keep driving.

1624
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: Because I don't know, because I could have risked it

1625
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: and driven to the gas station. I just didn't want

1626
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: to get stranded on the side of the busy street,

1627
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I don't know would

1628
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 1: you have kept going or would you have done what

1629
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: I did. I would have definitely kept going. I have

1630
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: kept going before so my car as well. So it

1631
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: will say like it'll say twenty miles and then at

1632
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: like the at like eleven miles, it'll stop telling the number.

1633
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: It'll just do this little like it'll start beeping, not beaping,

1634
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: but like it'll show like a flashing, so it won't

1635
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: tell me like one mile left or zero mile left.

1636
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: After like it get past ten miles left, it's like, yeah,

1637
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: I go to a gas station, but I've definitely like, um,

1638
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: gone close to the gone really close to leg zero

1639
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: for sure or past it. I don't know the exact number.

1640
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the exact one I was telling

1641
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: you before we recorded. I've seen like a news poor

1642
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 1: like they they went like thirty miles past zero something

1643
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: before it finally went out. So I think you would

1644
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: have been fine. I understand you're not risking it, but

1645
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: I think you would have made it home for sure,

1646
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: because they know, like the human kind of like people

1647
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: are going to try to test that, so they can't

1648
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: make it in exact in my opinion, like it's just

1649
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: not how that how that works. But I think it's

1650
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: smart that you didn't test it to not get you know,

1651
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: stranded there, but I think you would have made it

1652
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: home in my opinion, Yeah, you would have definitely made

1653
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: it home. It's it's so funny because like, I turned

1654
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: thirty in less than a month. August nine was my birthday,

1655
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: so I made it almost thirty years without that happening.

1656
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: And my wife never let me hear the end of it,

1657
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: because I've given her crap before for letting her range

1658
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: get too low, but she's never going out of gas

1659
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: like I did. So Yeah, anyway, it's just funny. We've

1660
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: all had our moments. But like, man, that was like

1661
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: I was like for that entire hour and a half

1662
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: saga of me looking for a gas station that had

1663
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: a gas can I have. I was talking so much

1664
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: shipped to myself in my head about how such an

1665
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: idiot I was. I was so frustrated and it was ridiculous.

1666
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: I was so upset with myself. Anyway, did you have

1667
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 1: a story of something stupid that you've done that you

1668
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: wanted to show. I was gonna stick to the car,

1669
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: I guess so like back in college, like I used to,

1670
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: You know, in college, you stay up late, you do

1671
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, assignments and stuff like that. And this is

1672
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,679
Speaker 1: I don't remember what I was like eighteen nineteen years old.

1673
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: So I used to live near the school and I

1674
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: drive home on like so i'd have class, let's say it,

1675
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: from like till like one, I'd go home and go

1676
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: back for like a class around three thirty, right, And

1677
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: so I was always dumb because like I'm like, what

1678
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do at home after drive fifteen minutes. But

1679
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: like it's just like a it just feels good to

1680
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: go home for a little bit during the day and

1681
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: then like I'd be so sleepy though, so like I

1682
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: drive like i'd be tired, and I get home like

1683
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: I had to go back. So one time, like I'm

1684
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: ranking front of the school. It's like a red light.

1685
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: And me, stupidly, when you're sleeping, you tell yourself a

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Speaker 1: lot of things. I'm like, it's a red light. I'm

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01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: gonna take a quick nap, I swear. So I'm like,

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01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a quick nap for a second. So

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01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: like so I should have put the car and break,

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01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: to be honest, but I didn't. I'm like, my foot's

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Speaker 1: on the break, like I'm gonna know this light is

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01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 1: no longer than two minutes, you know, So like I

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01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: swear so like I closed my eyes for a second

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01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: and like you don't know what's going on, so like

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01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: and then like I wake up to a boom. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh damnit. So this this is right in front of

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Speaker 1: the school. And it's just hilarious because like the guy

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Speaker 1: I actually ran into, he was like he's actually a teacher,

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01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: which is funny, and he's he's like, yeah, what happened.

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01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't know, and so yeah,

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01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: and it didn't mess his car but all like his

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01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: car was fine. But yeah, that's one dumb thing. And

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Speaker 1: I never did that again ever. I was like, I'm

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01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: never ever ever going to try to close my eyes

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01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: when I'm out of red life. It's sad because I

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01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: was like riding in front of the school too, so

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01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: that was a sad part about it. But dude, that's

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01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: completely hilarious. But I think, you know, I think that

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01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: life has a way of putting you down sometimes to

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01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: to kind of keep you even keeled and keep you

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01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: like every time, like like it's I feel like this

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01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: with basketball, Like every time I go on a stretch

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01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: where for two weeks I'm just busting everybody's ass and

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01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: no one can guard me. I always have like a

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01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: random bad day, and I feel like that's like the

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01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,759
Speaker 1: basketball gods were like saying, like you're not ship Jason,

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01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: You're not sure, Like I feel like that's just part

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Speaker 1: of the process. But like I that's hilarious because like I, well,

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Speaker 1: I I have another one that I'll share on another day.

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01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: But like I think that's just God's way, Nature's way,

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01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call its way of of just

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01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: reminding us that we're not all that and we need

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01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: to we need to stay grounded. But anyway, roj, I

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01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: really appreciate you taking over an hour today, um to

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01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: hang out. And I guess Game two or Game four

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01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 1: is tomorrow, so we'll plan on Thursday morning. For now, Thursday,

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Speaker 1: let's do it all right. Thank you everybody for listening in.

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Speaker 1: I will have the podcast version of this up shortly.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your day and we will see

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Speaker 1: you on Thursday. Thanks everyone,