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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of IHEARTRADI.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.

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Speaker 1: Name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission

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Speaker 4: controlled decant. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here.

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Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: We're excited about this when fellow conspiracy realist we like you,

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Speaker 4: hopefully love cryptids and you guys remember recently we republished

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Speaker 4: a classic episode about cryptids from Australia and we got

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Speaker 4: so much cool feedback from that we thought now might

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Speaker 4: be the evening to follow up with a new cryptid exploration.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit of an obscure when for many people

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Speaker 4: a specific region of Pennsylvania. No spoilers just yet. Let's

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Speaker 4: start at the beginning. Here are the facts. But for

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Speaker 4: anybody who listens to the show and doesn't know what

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Speaker 4: a crypti is, how would we how would we explain this?

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Speaker 3: A mystical creature? That may or may not exist.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty great creatures. Biological creatures often sometimes a little

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Speaker 3: I tried to straddle that line there by saying mystical,

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Speaker 3: because I think mystical can be magical, but doesn't have

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Speaker 4: An aura of mystery to them, sort of like mazes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, the stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's really interesting that cryptids range from highly plausible,

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Speaker 2: like slight variations on known species of animals, to I

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Speaker 4: Mythological right, legendary creatures? Yeah, and there are a lot

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Speaker 4: of venn diagrams. Obviously, the most famous cryptids here are

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Speaker 4: that's an unfair name, the chupacabra goat Sucker not a

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Speaker 4: Every civilization throughout history has some kind of record or

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Speaker 4: description or belief in some sort of cryptid, right, and

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Speaker 4: often it might be a misidentified real creature, right, how

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Speaker 4: like elephant's skulls gave most likely gave rise to the

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Speaker 4: mythology surrounding the cyclops. And we know that as science

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Speaker 4: we I think that's where we concluded that large undiscovered

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Speaker 3: We're also talked about about giving it the outback lately,

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Speaker 4: tonight's episode. This this information is familiar to all long

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Speaker 4: eye of the beholder, isn't it? Not a Dungeons and

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Speaker 4: it may just be the world's saddest cryptid. We're going

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Speaker 4: it gets crazy. We're doing a great job with the description.

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Speaker 3: I love velveteen skin.

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Speaker 4: There maybe we talk a little bit about the hemlock

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Speaker 3: This guy is a pretty small range. Oh.

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Speaker 2: the dang hemlock trees that exist in Pennsylvania. There's a

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Speaker 3: Jesus, does he have a function? Sorry? What's this? What's he?

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Speaker 3: What's he for? What was he made for?

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Speaker 2: Well, for trappings? He was made for trapping, as we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can.

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Speaker 4: It's weird because you would think, with you know, understandable validity,

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Speaker 4: But the use of the word squawk and does pictions

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Speaker 4: not they're not. They're thought to be Pennsylvanian, right, possibly

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Speaker 3: What is it there?

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Speaker 4: It is on February twenty seventh, eighteen seventy eight, on Wednesday,

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Speaker 4: with it. Went to Salt Creek. Shiit three traps for autumn,

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Speaker 2: It's so great. What does that mean? I went went

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's uh, he goes to the literary often, because

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Speaker 2: he's a trapper too, so yeah, but he's just making

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Speaker 2: sometimes he catches to squonk or so he does, or to.

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Speaker 4: Catch them, yeah, or squirrel or squawk. But he was

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Speaker 3: Of like snipe snipe hunting, you know, like that was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad we're getting to that now because that's

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Speaker 4: Samuel Johnson apparently mentions the squawk and in the description

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Speaker 4: William Thomas Cox. It's called fail Some Creatures of the

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Speaker 3: That's we're kind of fet wow, because we're mainly talking

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Speaker 4: This is the Fearsome Creatures of the lumber Woods with

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Speaker 4: round robined the description of the squawk. It's about three

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Speaker 3: The range of the squawk is very limited. Few people

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Speaker 3: retiring disposition, generally traveling about at twilight and dusk. Because

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Speaker 2: Old timy hunters who are good at tracking are able

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Speaker 2: the animal weeps constantly when cornered and escapes seems impossible,

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Speaker 2: oh and surprised or frightened, it may even dissolve itself

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Speaker 2: when tears are shed slowly and the animal dislikes moving about.

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Speaker 2: It may then be heard weeping under the bows of

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Speaker 3: Mister J. P.

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Speaker 4: Windling, formerly of Pennsylvania but now at Saint Anthony Park, Minnesota,

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Speaker 4: He made a clever capture by mimicking the squawk and

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Speaker 4: Wentley nunslung the sack and looked within. There was nothing

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Speaker 3: Okay, these descriptions are remarkably kojent, and like, like, I

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Speaker 4: I mean, Joseph Campbell was right about hero's journeys. Some

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Speaker 4: stuff just works in a story, so it sticks around.

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Speaker 3: Right. They gave the ring of truth to it, is

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Speaker 4: They give the They give the squonk a taxonomic definition

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Speaker 2: What if it doesn't actually dissolve? What if it shrinks

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Speaker 4: It can actively dehydrate. That's cool, that's smart.

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Speaker 4: And and this this is as somewhat I guess, if

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Speaker 4: It's saying, hey, it feels bad. It's life is tough.

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Speaker 4: Another very very similar book published in nineteen thirty nine,

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Speaker 4: It's a lot meaner. It's more of a distract to

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Speaker 4: the squawk. It's like, which squonk hurt you? Did you

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Speaker 4: describing it as slow and of a low mentality? Low

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and ascribing it to a creature that clearly is,

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Speaker 4: Unless it's the one of its kind, you know, and

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Speaker 3: Well, it can dissolve itself in tears, y'all. It can

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Speaker 3: dissolve itself in tears and bubbles. Perhaps that's some sort

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Speaker 2: You see. Maybe they're not tears. Maybe it's creating a

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Speaker 3: Through ectoplasmic good may perhaps it's just its leavings. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They also said in this nineteen thirty nine book, also

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Speaker 4: called The Fearsome Critters, they said the squawk is quote,

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Speaker 4: of order. But I don't know, man, he's all gas,

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Speaker 4: no breaks on dissing this guy, and we have no

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. Do we really describe it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got the photos here. These It varies a

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Speaker 4: but they always are weeping. Sometimes there's a little bit

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Speaker 3: A little bit of water bear quality to.

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Speaker 3: But his little goat legs are interesting, and they're sort

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say it reminds you a bit of

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Speaker 4: idea about creatures getting misidentified, it is pretty pretty frequent.

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00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: But even if, okay, we don't know how tongy in

435
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 4: cheek these books are meant to be. Are they meant

436
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 4: to be a fun like McSweeney's type thing, or is

437
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 4: it like just a cash grab or is it like

438
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 4: a coffee table book of its time? Did the people

439
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: writing this genuinely believe in it? I'm gonna say probably not,

440
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 4: but it's tough for us to tell. We can't all

441
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 4: see the squonk emergent In other works of American folklore,

442
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 4: Paul Bunyan runs into a squonk. It's the same story.

443
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 4: Someone hears the weeping or the wailing, and they try

444
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 4: to mimic it, and then they get close to the squawk,

445
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 4: they catch the squawk, the squonk disappears. The guy's got

446
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 4: an im o, which is he's got an emo m o.

447
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 4: He's got a em no, No, we'll let it go.

448
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: I'll have, I'll have, I'll have what he's having. No,

449
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: I was gonna say earlier. He is a very emo

450
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: little fellow. He's in his feelings you know, a lot

451
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: which you got to appreciate. And I'd get a cryptids

452
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: he under At least he knows you know how to

453
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: feel at leasty, he knows how to emote, he knows

454
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: who he is. Apparently there's a gift to that.

455
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: We also, I think one of the reasons we can

456
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 4: answer the question about how sincere these authors may or

457
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: may not be is by just giving you a quick laundry

458
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 4: list of other animals or life forms listed and explored

459
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 4: in the Fearsome Creature's Book from nineteen ten. They include

460
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 4: positively Soussian names like the bill Dad, the Tripadero, which

461
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 4: sounds so cool. The Trippadero sounds like the name of

462
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 4: a nineteen seventy station wagon to.

463
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: Me, sure does well, you guys, I mean the table

464
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: of contents and this Fearsome Critters book that we've been

465
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: referred to is just absolutely a feast for the census.

466
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 3: I think I think we've all been dying to just

467
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: like read some of our faith rits do it. Oh,

468
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess one that comes to him

469
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: comes to mind for me is the uh, well, there's

470
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 3: the there's the Columbia River sand squink, not to be

471
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: confused with the squawk. This is a squink, mind you.

472
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: And the come at a body like like it's like

473
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 3: there's like a threat, like, come out a body, bro

474
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 3: come at me. Come on, I dare you not to

475
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: mention the side hill gougur not cougar and subspecies. H.

476
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: I found stuff on the shaga maaw guys. It has

477
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: the four legs of a bear and the hind legs

478
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: of a moose, and is quote given to devouring the

479
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: clothing of lumbermen.

480
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 3: Oh really really really likes flannel.

481
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 4: And then there's of course the snow la Ghoster, which

482
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 4: sounds like a snot based roller coaster.

483
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: Yeah of some sort, right.

484
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know there These are clearly not scientific names,

485
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 4: though the team does give them uh to the to

486
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 4: the animals in each entry. You can find this book

487
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: on for free online thanks to services like archive dot org,

488
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: so you can read the whole.

489
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: Thing if you like. I do have to say that

490
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 3: some of them have like fun, really fun alternate names

491
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: like this one here is called the the Dinga Mall,

492
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: but then in parentheses it says Plunkus. Which is it

493
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: the Dinga Mall or the Plunkuss? And I send this

494
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: to you guys off air, and as I think probably

495
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: the listeners are already getting irritated with me about I'm

496
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: becoming very obsessed with modular synthesizers. And the plinkiss and

497
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: the squawk both sound like great names for modules that

498
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: make beeps and boops.

499
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna shot one more out, guys. It's the hoop

500
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: snake the way I am looking at it here described

501
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: as a snake that places its tail in its mouth,

502
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: and it's like, bros, it is and then it rolls

503
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: at a very.

504
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 4: There's a lot of wild West tales about that guy too.

505
00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: So weird, really really impossible to dodge. Remember that circle

506
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: ship in Prometheus.

507
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: They seem to have a really difficult time dodging because

508
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: they just kept running in a line as the circles

509
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: ship was rolling after them. Uh.

510
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: You can also check out Fearsome Critters dot org, which

511
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: is the modern day descendant of this and has much

512
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 4: much more on there, including, of course, the milking trout,

513
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 4: which of course bothers me.

514
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: You guys know, I'm not a huge Harry Potter fan,

515
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: But isn't there that Harry Potter offshoot called like, uh

516
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: Fantastic Beasts and where to find find them? I think

517
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: this seems like a similar kind of codex.

518
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 4: And so with these, with these names, what we could

519
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 4: say is we're seeing more folklore collection than hard investigative science.

520
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: And we have to ask ourselves, with all those other

521
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: creatures identifying in the book, what happened to them? Why

522
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 4: did the squawk become the breakout star of this American cryptozoography.

523
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 4: In this case, it's because of the Internet. The Internet

524
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: inspired a renaissance, a squonk lore, fandom, and perhaps even

525
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: genuine belief. I think it was in the two thousand

526
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: and tens we started seeing a lot of memes and

527
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: posts of the squank, the most famos being drawn by

528
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 4: Ashley Garst. That's the one where the legs are really

529
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: small in the center of the body, and people would

530
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 4: share this picture and then they would share another picture.

531
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 4: It's like he's just like me, or he gets it

532
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: because he's a mythical creature that's so ugly. That he

533
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 4: hides from plain sight and spends most of his time weeping.

534
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: So that's classic Internet reaction stuff, you know, and shout

535
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 4: out to our good friends over at know your meme

536
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: who have a neat little article on the Internet history

537
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: of the squonk. I was surprised by how many of

538
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 4: these I felt like I recognized once I started looking

539
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 4: at him.

540
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: Did you guys look at this?

541
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 4: Did you see the different macro or what are they

542
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 4: called image macroon?

543
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, now, I guess I didn't realize until

544
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: we started talking about it. This was something that I

545
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: had experienced in passing.

546
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like a picture that that macro the squonk,

547
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: and then you know the picture under it is that

548
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: William Defoe meme where he's saying, you know, I'm something

549
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 4: of a blank myself, but he says I'm something of

550
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: a squonk myself.

551
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: Damn. Some of these got the squank looking kind of

552
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: fearsome though, some sort of creature that would hunt you down,

553
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: you know, and stalk you from from the from the grass.

554
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: Is it looks like a mildly deformed bulldog to me.

555
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: Mm yeah, like someone edited out the neck. Mm hmmm.

556
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember that movie The Relic. Yes, it

557
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: was like a creature that ran around and eight people

558
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: in the museum. It kind of looks like that. I

559
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: was scary.

560
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: He had sort of tusk like teeth like that was

561
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 4: the Relic one where the creature can adapt.

562
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

563
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a different one that came out. Okay,

564
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: this one's part reptilia and I'm looking at it now.

565
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, the Elick was with what's her name, Penelope

566
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: Ann Miller and Tom Sizemore and it's been all. The

567
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: whole thing takes place, I believe, in the Museum of

568
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: Natural History in New York and there's a creature that is,

569
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: you know, stalking the curators of the museum and tearing

570
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: them to shreds. But he kind of looks squonk like

571
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: he's got those weird goat legs that kind of invert

572
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's what That's what made

573
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: me think about it.

574
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 4: And they call him the Kethuga in there. So there

575
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: is a cryptid star, and cryptids play a huge part

576
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 4: in pop culture, so does the Squawk. While there's not

577
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 4: any proof of this guy accepted by modern science. Yet

578
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 4: he sure shows up in a lot of other things.

579
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: I think maybe we pause for a word from our sponsor,

580
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: if we're all cool with that, and then look at

581
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 4: the squonk as a cultural phenomenon, and we have returned.

582
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: You guys, I had no idea how popular Blank was

583
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: with musicians in the seventies. It just it's really it

584
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 4: was unexpected to me.

585
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: Well it makes sense. I mean, you know, you got

586
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: a lot of these seventies bands that are doing the

587
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 3: prog rock thing, and a lot of that's tied up

588
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: in dungeons and dragon z type lore, and I don't know,

589
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: the squawk is a pretty great candidate for a mythical

590
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: being to write, to write a riff about.

591
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, you just imagine somebody who came across a

592
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: copy of that nineteen ten book right about the Lumberman,

593
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: the Fearsome Creatures and the Lumbermen, and they're like, ah,

594
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: we absolutely must feature the squawk.

595
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the sensitive fellow?

596
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder why there's not more stuff about some

597
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: of those other ones. I feel like this is there's

598
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: untapped potential in the gilly galoo, the bird that lays

599
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: square eggs. I mean, come on, that's gotta be a thing.

600
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: I think for the names alone, you know, some of

601
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: them are syllabically challenging, right, Like putting in Central American

602
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: wind tosser into a song lyric is a little bit tough.

603
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: Cannabis could do it, Kendrick could do it, but I

604
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 4: don't know if you will. So, yeah, you're right though

605
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: there is this specificity also kind of reminds me of this.

606
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: This was an era where those songs with more specificity

607
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: of reference seemed a little more welcomed in popular culture.

608
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Maybe they were just thinking outside the

609
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 4: box man, Maybe they were just more inspired, or like

610
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 4: so many people on the Internet today, saw themselves in

611
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: the story of the Squonk. We're talking off here. I

612
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: think I can't remember who it was when we were

613
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 4: talking about this before we filmed that video. I think

614
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: we were all surprised to learn that Genesis has a

615
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 4: song dedicated to the Squonk.

616
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's funny because I'm a big Genesis fan

617
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: and I don't know this record super well. It is

618
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: the first one that you pointed out Ben with Phil

619
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: Collins taking over as lead vocals. But I think we've

620
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: talked about too that like Phil Collins does such a

621
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: good job. I was singing exactly like Peter Gabriel. It's

622
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: almost uncanny and a little bit of sus if he

623
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: asked me. But I guess it kind of made sense

624
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: because they were singing, you know, he was singing backup

625
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: for him for so long. Oh yeah, yeah.

626
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: It's also apparently there is some Genesis lore about this,

627
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: wherein they say that Collins wrote the lyrics. The bassist

628
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 4: what's his last name, Banks.

629
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: Here's the keywords player.

630
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 4: I believe, oh Banks, Okay, I believe that he and

631
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 4: another band member wrote the music and they asked Collins

632
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 4: to write the lyrics. And so, according to the story,

633
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: he had recently read a book called The Song of

634
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: the Dodo by a guy named David Kwaman, and it

635
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 4: talks about multiple species going extinct, how they can become

636
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: mythologized or romanticized as these supernatural creatures after their demise,

637
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: and so he wanted to he just made him think

638
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 4: of the squawk, and so he wrote that song, and

639
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 4: I guess looked around the room and said, okay, yeah.

640
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, Phil, let's do it.

641
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: Is that? Do you think that was their energy?

642
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, great, Phil, the sad you want to

643
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: make the you want to make a song about the

644
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: sad one that turns into tears.

645
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: Great, here we go.

646
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 4: He's like, you know, dragons are a thing, Phil, or Bigfoot.

647
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: There are a lot of choices.

648
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: The hoop snake goes really fast, just saying goes hard.

649
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, just veer to the left a little bit, you'll

650
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: be fine.

651
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 4: Mongolian death worm, I mean, yeah, it was that squawk

652
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: was definitely a choice. Zz Top may have also shouted

653
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 4: out the squawk and this was their first album. Is

654
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: a song called Squank and kind of like the early

655
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: drawings of the Squank, this seems a little more aggressive,

656
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: like it's about how the the squank lives in the

657
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 4: swamp and it'll come get you. I don't know if

658
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 4: that's coincidence. Could also be a portmanteau of sank and wank.

659
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: It could very well could. We haven't talked as easy yet.

660
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 4: I always thoughts easy Top was a person.

661
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly. Yeah. Uh.

662
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 4: I was always mystified by that one guy who didn't

663
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 4: have a beard.

664
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: It's his deal, he'sow Was he not permitted to have

665
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: a beard? Was it in the contract. I don't know.

666
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: I don't know, but we also we do know. Steely

667
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 4: Dan has a song called any Major Dude Will Tell You,

668
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 4: which I had not heard. I know about you, guys,

669
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 4: I had not heard this until this. Well, it has

670
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: the it has the lyrics in there. Have you ever

671
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: seen a squnk's tears? Well, look at mine? Okay, because

672
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 4: they're just as real. I guess they also, Yeah, with

673
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: the squalk.

674
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: I think that's what it is, guys. I think there's

675
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: sort of like a lot of these these rock band

676
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: people are sensitive at heart. You know, they might put

677
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: up a tough front, but uh, they're sensitive folks, and

678
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: they and they relate to the squawk.

679
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: I can see that, you know. Isn't that the mark

680
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 4: of a good story? You see yourself in it to

681
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: some degree.

682
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

683
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 4: There's also a Final Fantasy character named Squank. It's much

684
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: more bird like, is it? Yeah?

685
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, what Final Fantasy is this?

686
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: In this? In Final Fantasy fourteen, I want to.

687
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: Say, Ah, Okay, I am not familiar with this.

688
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: He is something called a rank B Elite mark in

689
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 4: the Sea of Clouds. I understand some of those words.

690
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 4: He has a chirp attack.

691
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

692
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 4: There's also the legendary performance group collective out of out

693
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: of Pennsylvania called Squank And what's that? Uh, what's that

694
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 4: immersive theater thing we liked in New York Sleep Sleep

695
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: No More and Omega mar Meo Wolf stuff. If you're

696
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 4: fans of that kind of thing, you might be fans

697
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: of Squank folks. Apparently they've traveled around the world in

698
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 4: the country creating this really trippy, edgy what did someone

699
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: call it that? Their reviews are pretty interesting post industrial

700
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 4: performances that sounds fun, crackpot modernist and cartoony. Michelangelo's Russ

701
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: Belt data Debusy meets Godzilla.

702
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: Those are pretty great reviews.

703
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: I think we were trying meets Godzilla.

704
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that would even entail, but

705
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: I want to find out. Sign me up. You've also

706
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: got this term chemical squawks, which sounds like a performance

707
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: art thing in and I wouldself, which is actually a

708
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: science y term for a stable, stable substance held in

709
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 3: a solution. Yeah, but but it can't be isolated or

710
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: captured with that being dissolved.

711
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, so scientist, the real name for those things is

712
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 4: chemical squaks.

713
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: That's wild. Well, and then I'm excited to get to

714
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: this part be because we talked earlier a little bit

715
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: about the idea of being sent on a snipe hunt,

716
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: you know, and which is you know, is usually a

717
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: stand in for like a wild goose chase, Like this

718
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: is not something that you're ever going to actually find,

719
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: So what about a squawk hunt? Is that similar or

720
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: is there potential that you might find the damn thing?

721
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: I don't know.

722
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: I mean, it feels like it's maybe a regional variation

723
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 4: the idea of going out to hunt for squank, maybe

724
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 4: like sending someone to hunt for snipe. Did you guys

725
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 4: ever get sent on a snipe hunt?

726
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: It came up in a very early boy scout event

727
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: camp out thing, so I only have vague recollections of it.

728
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: As you know, I didn't progress very far in the organization.

729
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 3: But do you remember mentioned of a snipe hunt?

730
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, pretty common thing, I think, especially in the South.

731
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 3: Did you have to go on a snipephunt?

732
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: Mat? I go on snipe hunts every night, dude.

733
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: Just to stay on your toes, keep the head on

734
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: a swivel.

735
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 4: That's right, Oh right, you got a snipe security expert.

736
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: It's a there's an episode of King of the Hill

737
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: where it's not a snipe hunt, it's something else. Maybe

738
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: it is actually the Order of the Straight Arrow. He

739
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: asked the episode, and they send them on a on

740
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: a snipe hunt.

741
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 4: It's great Order of the Arrow joke. They do make

742
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: you sleep rough in the Order of the Arrow, or

743
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: at least when I joined, it was really weird. You

744
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 4: know what they gave us for the night. They give

745
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: us a keeper bag with two matches and set the

746
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 4: set the book back on fire. I don't know, man,

747
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm just not going to eat tonight,

748
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: all right, but it was weird. I don't think that's

749
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 4: strictly legal. Uh yeah, I don't know. That's a question

750
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 4: with that hunt, like in both the in the Snipe case,

751
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 4: like you guys are saying, it's generally acknowledged right that

752
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: snipe is considered a fictional creature. It's a prank to

753
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 4: some people hunting for it. But do we think that

754
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 4: people in Pennsylvania or broad genuinely believe in the existence

755
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: of the squamk or is it seen as more like

756
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 4: a power or full symbolic thing.

757
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: Well, I just really quickly back to the King of

758
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: the Hill episode as it turns out Bobby takes it

759
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: very seriously and accidentally kills a whooping crane which is

760
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: in danger. So it's a it's a real problem there.

761
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: I think he doesn't actually kill it, he just beats

762
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: it up and it comes back and it rouses us later.

763
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: But god, I think I think it is symbolic. Yeah, absolutely,

764
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 3: But with symbolism it can be taken very far by

765
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 3: a belief. You know.

766
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think anybody actually thinks squawk's real. But

767
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: I bet it's a fun thing for kids, same as

768
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: a lot of the tall tales we tell them to,

769
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: you know, help them understand why there's so many presents

770
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: under the tree and that kind of thing. I bet

771
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: it's a fun It's a fun little thing, especially if

772
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: you're out in them hemlock forests.

773
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 4: Shout out to Laurel Hill, Right, that's one of them.

774
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

775
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 4: And yeah, we'd love to hear your thoughts on this too, folks, like,

776
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 4: is this maybe a misidentified real animal and that misidentification

777
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 4: later gave way to a story that was just too

778
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 4: interesting to fade into obscurity.

779
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 3: Uh?

780
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 4: If that is in the case, indeed the case, what

781
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: was that original animal the kidney idea is really interesting.

782
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for my money that that entry from

783
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: c C Beach where where it says when does Salt

784
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: Creek set transfer and otter to mink and caught to squawk?

785
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: In my head, that is a stand in for useless

786
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: creatures that I can't make any profit on any meat.

787
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: That good for me.

788
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 3: I think that's right.

789
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

790
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 4: No, you're totally doing It makes sense to me because

791
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 4: he's definitely not getting what he's looking for in that

792
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 4: in that trapping situation.

793
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, creatures that would still would that would set off

794
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: a trap, right they the pelt is useless and all

795
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: that stuff.

796
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, that's just that's so maybe it's like

797
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 4: archaic slang, yeah, for just a generic trash animal.

798
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not about the squank weeping. It's about you

799
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: weeping because you just spent a bunch of time and

800
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: effort and you caught that and now you don't get

801
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: to eat and you don't get any whatever.

802
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: That's a great idea.

803
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you were right about the suicide

804
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: dog bridge out there out there in Europe. So this

805
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 4: feels like a really reasonable explanation to me, A really

806
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 4: smart one too. We wanted to maybe that has solved

807
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: the mystery. One to end with a big, big thank

808
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: you to everybody for tuning in, of course, but also

809
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 4: to some folks who gave us some great news. If

810
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 4: you happen to be in the area of Johnstown, Pennsylvania,

811
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 4: and you want a really rollicking swamp related time, then

812
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: allow us to introduce you to an entire annual festival

813
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 4: dedicated to celebrating the world's saddest cryptid Squonka Palooza tenth

814
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four.

815
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: Hey we should we should have a Little Leo party.

816
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 3: Sure?

817
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: The Little Leo contingent attending the Squanka Palooza, he yeah.

818
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 4: They have fun game speakers, performance entertainment vendors, snacks of course,

819
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 4: And we reached out to the good folks at Squanka

820
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: Palooza when we heard about them after this video and

821
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 4: just the nicest people. Want to give a shout to

822
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: Lisa of Cryptid Comforts and Joe of Crypto Theology.

823
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

824
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 4: They both sell a lot of like handcrafted cryptid merchandise

825
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 4: and they gave us the story of how Squanka Palooza

826
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 4: came to be. Lisa wrote a book called Whyso sad

827
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 4: Squawk with her friend Brandy Hale, who is the troubadour

828
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 4: of Squanka Palooza, which I feel like is a really

829
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 4: cool job title.

830
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: Uh and.

831
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 4: Lisa teamed up with Joe and he is the boots

832
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 4: on the ground out there in Pennsylvania. They wanted to

833
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: shout out their fellow cryptocreator, Holly who Art, who designed

834
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 4: the website helps with the tech side, So shout out

835
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: to Squawka Palooza. Let us know if you're gone, Let

836
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 4: us know if you're going, who knows, Like Matt said,

837
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 4: we might end up in town.

838
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: Two absolutely, and let us know if you plan out

839
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,840
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00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,440
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846
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847
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,440
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848
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,480
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