Speaker 1: Then they'll blame everybody but themselves when from the beginning,
Speaker 1: like the end of last year, they're like, he shouldn't
Speaker 1: be running, really shouldn't, Like we know, but he beats
Speaker 1: Trump on paper and you're like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw it in real life, it looks very bye.
Speaker 2: Yes, Biden is on paper a great date. And then
Speaker 2: you get to the date and he cannot use a
Speaker 2: spoon and you're like, oh boy, and then Trump is
Speaker 2: just a date where you have to watch your drink
Speaker 2: and bring it to the bathroom when you go with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, while he lies about like how he used to
Speaker 1: kick it with Pavarotti in the Three Tenors all the time,
Speaker 1: and you're like.
Speaker 3: Who are they really?
Speaker 4: It's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: He Placido Domingo.
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Speaker 1: to season three forty five, Episode two of The Daily
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Speaker 3: This is also the podcast.
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Speaker 1: and scared consciousness.
Speaker 3: Man, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Haven't really recorded much since the debate, so you know,
Speaker 1: like many of us are just kind of scratching our
Speaker 1: heads and googling stuff like where to move okay if
Speaker 1: you have DUI, but anyway, it's uh, what is it Tuesday?
Speaker 1: January second?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or Nouary July. I'm sorry, dude, I'm so fucking disoriented.
Speaker 4: It's January.
Speaker 3: It's January.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fuck it. Let's just like I said, November.
Speaker 3: Take your time.
Speaker 1: It's July.
Speaker 4: What can go wrong?
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant is doing great.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see. Everything's just starting off great
Speaker 3: this year. I love to see it.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 1: Please, thank you so much for joining me, Francesca. Today
Speaker 1: we have two fantastic guests from a very fantastic podcast.
Speaker 1: Every time we've talked about Alex Jones on the shows
Speaker 1: like Dangil, like you know, you know who knows a
Speaker 1: lot about Alex Jones and Info Wolves the Knowledge Fight guys,
Speaker 1: you should probably have Jordan and Dan, And I said,
Speaker 1: but we will. That's a very good idea because we
Speaker 1: would always like to defer to people who know more
Speaker 1: about us, especially when it relates to something like that.
Speaker 1: Please welcome comedians, hosts, and wonderful natives of Chicago, Jordan
Speaker 1: Holmes and Defferson.
Speaker 5: He Hello, Hello, I have no I have no rhymes
Speaker 5: nor nor nicknames.
Speaker 3: Really, I'm just I'm just Jordan now. But and I
Speaker 3: feel terrible because I bought you a bottle of sam buca.
Speaker 3: I didn't know you were so averse to Anie, doesn't
Speaker 3: my my welcome gift is like a niece.
Speaker 4: It sounds like your ex rather than like Annis.
Speaker 1: And it's I don't know I here both ways. I
Speaker 1: feel like whenever you're watching like chef shows, there's like
Speaker 1: a person who went to like Europe once and there
Speaker 1: they say it one thing.
Speaker 3: Oh so it's in Europe.
Speaker 1: It's your Yeah, exactly, it's an ass but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a hosts of knowledge. All right, Okay, sorry, I was
Speaker 1: doing my best kindler.
Speaker 3: I was giving it a shot. I was giving it
Speaker 3: a shot. How you guys doing. What's going on? What's
Speaker 3: the house Chicago? How's the weather? What's going on over there?
Speaker 3: Oh it's a dream, it's I don't know the house. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we have wet bold territory over there.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing you're talking to the two of us.
Speaker 5: I can't remember the last time I did small talk
Speaker 5: about the well. I haven't spoken to a human being
Speaker 5: that's not Dan or my wife probably in three years.
Speaker 3: I mean that very genuinely.
Speaker 2: And you're hundreds of thousands of listeners, very normal, very
Speaker 2: normal podcast guy energy.
Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, I have to do small talk
Speaker 3: because in the same way.
Speaker 1: I only talked to Jack, my wife, my baby, and
Speaker 1: the random neighbor, and I always fail at small talk
Speaker 1: like how you been, I'm like, tell me about your
Speaker 1: random I'm sweating what's going on with them? Just good,
Speaker 1: you know, just asking questions that I don't like answering.
Speaker 1: I don't like small talk all the time because I'm
Speaker 1: always in a light form of panic. But yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: Knowledge Fight is a fantastic show. I love when comedians
Speaker 1: help me understand things because I typically learn through the
Speaker 1: language of laughter or absurdity or irony, and the way
Speaker 1: y'all do that is absolutely fantastic. It's top draw. And
Speaker 1: there's so much happening with Alex Jones all the time
Speaker 1: that I'm always like interacting through like maybe viral clips
Speaker 1: or the headlines that there's so much, you know, you
Speaker 1: forget that this guy's talking all the time and there's
Speaker 1: so much to parse through. And half the time, even
Speaker 1: with the news articles I read, they're not really giving
Speaker 1: the full picture because he says so much and so
Speaker 1: much is going on. So I'm really glad that you're
Speaker 1: on because I have a lot of questions wow, and
Speaker 1: like mainly like how do you guys. The show started
Speaker 1: at the beginning of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think early January twenty seventeen. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: pretty pretty close after the twenty sixteen election. It's just
Speaker 3: that was where the curiosity really became too much right
Speaker 3: to ignore? Yeah, almost eight years then, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Mass I mean, like, you know, Francesca and I we
Speaker 1: talk about the news enough, and that's already just life
Speaker 1: changing and debilitating in its own way. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: doing Alex Jones.
Speaker 3: Are you able to find and still.
Speaker 4: Living in this country?
Speaker 2: I mean, Miles sort of joked about, like, you know, leaving,
Speaker 2: But whenever I sort of am up against the crazy
Speaker 2: of the craze, I'm a little There's always a part
Speaker 2: of me, maybe it's the majority of me that's like
Speaker 2: you can have it, just have it, you know.
Speaker 4: Like if I do interviews and I.
Speaker 2: Get a MAGA person who's like, yep, the ISIS tries
Speaker 2: to recruit me. They call me every single day, I'm like,
Speaker 2: isn't that just a phone company trying to get you
Speaker 2: to switch plans? Like like nope, it's ISIS. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what, lady, sure, yeah, just goodbye. Like but yeah,
Speaker 2: the fact that you said. My question is first, if
Speaker 2: Info Wars goes under, do you stop now?
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go there quite yet, but yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5: No, no, actually, how about we do it this way.
Speaker 5: I will cut the both of you off, and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna ask.
Speaker 3: Dan a question.
Speaker 1: All right, how do you do it?
Speaker 5: It's eight years you listen to Alex Jones?
Speaker 3: How do you not lose your mind? I guess I
Speaker 3: was crazy to begin with. There's one but no too,
Speaker 3: the just like it's not really Alex Jones, you know,
Speaker 3: like I think that I think that we were listening
Speaker 3: to him for him and like and at the beginning.
Speaker 3: But there's so many like offshoot things that you can
Speaker 3: pay attention to that you get away in from him,
Speaker 3: right and so as well. It's it can be a
Speaker 3: real bummer to recognize the real world piece of the
Speaker 3: like politics is real and it does affect people, and
Speaker 3: and that that is that is terrible what Alex represents.
Speaker 3: But you can you could find some you know what,
Speaker 3: batty stuff to and that that helps you keep your sanity.
Speaker 3: You find the crazy stuff, and then you know, it
Speaker 3: is kind.
Speaker 5: Of interesting to take like a like the debate or
Speaker 5: whatever in context for us, because a lot of people
Speaker 5: are panicking. They're like, ah, Joe Biden, he looks terrible,
Speaker 5: and and my instant reaction through our lenses kind of like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: he should have been plumping. What he needed to do
Speaker 5: was inject himself with bags of blood in order to
Speaker 5: gain strength.
Speaker 3: For the debate.
Speaker 5: See, in our world, that's what Alex would claim he
Speaker 5: was doing if he was doing well.
Speaker 1: So because he's silver bulleting, well he must not be plumping.
Speaker 4: The right was setting it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't buy enough whatever, silver pills, whatever.
Speaker 1: The ship silver. Okay, you know your stuff. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Look man, I'm being a newtceuticals man. It's how I's
Speaker 1: how I'm growing my hair back. It's thanks man, I'm
Speaker 1: twenty two. We're gonna get to know you guys a
Speaker 1: little bit more. But again, like we said, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking all things Alex Jones with our wonderful guests,
Speaker 1: but first we'd like to get to know our guests
Speaker 1: a little bit better. So, Dan Jordan, what's something from
Speaker 1: your search history recently that's revealing about who you guys are,
Speaker 1: what you're into right now?
Speaker 3: I just think my search history would be like indistinguishable
Speaker 3: from a curious bigot, you know, like, so I just
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: Technology right or wrong?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, got to know more right right, right, right right?
Speaker 1: How to apply for black jobs?
Speaker 3: Are those exactly? Yeah? What about you, Jordan? For well, my.
Speaker 5: Search history is just me and my wife occasionally joking
Speaker 5: around with My last search I believe was is.
Speaker 3: Pep a rock?
Speaker 5: Because we were we were grinding it through the thing,
Speaker 5: you know, the pepper grinder, And I jokingly told her
Speaker 5: because she was also grinding salt, you also grind salt,
Speaker 5: which is a rock a rock?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so I was like, oh, you know, pepper
Speaker 5: was a rock too, and then she forced me to
Speaker 5: google it. But whenever you're forced to google something that
Speaker 5: you are one hundred percent certain was a joke, you
Speaker 5: suddenly said question yourself and like, wait, is there a
Speaker 5: form of pepper that is a rock? Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: find you know, google search history.
Speaker 3: It probably would tell you rock. Yeah, it's a corn.
Speaker 1: It's like a pepper corn, doesn't it it comes off
Speaker 1: corn free, don't.
Speaker 3: It's just it's a it's a seed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a peppercorn. It's corn from the stock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the big, big black corn. I don't know why
Speaker 2: the salt, why that's what I want to Why know.
Speaker 1: That is the type of pepper you like the BBC pepper?
Speaker 3: Yeah, during I have a history of thinking things are
Speaker 3: rocks that aren't generally Yes, you also believe that that
Speaker 3: was a rock because of Skyrim.
Speaker 5: Skyrim made me think if you can make armor out
Speaker 5: of it, that it's probably a rock. I don't get
Speaker 5: why this doesn't make perfect sense to everybody.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah, I mean I get that where like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the reality of a video game kind of begins to
Speaker 1: blend in with your lived life. I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if the developers would really make me
Speaker 1: look that stupid about.
Speaker 3: This, it's would.
Speaker 1: No, I had wood in armor this whole time. Underrated
Speaker 1: Dan Jordan, who wants to go first? What's anything is underrated?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean today we're recording this is the first.
Speaker 5: I think July fourth Independence Day is underrated because who
Speaker 5: A lot of people now, A lot of people want
Speaker 5: to celebrate the the United States or whatever.
Speaker 3: But I think that's insane.
Speaker 5: I think what we need to do is celebrate the
Speaker 5: fact that we as a people decided what to do
Speaker 5: if there was a king, and you know, if there's
Speaker 5: a king, we know what to do.
Speaker 1: So Happy July fourth, everybody. Take a look at what
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is ruled.
Speaker 3: Right, Happy July fourth, everybody. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Also Independence Day a fantastic Harry Conic Junior vehicle. One
Speaker 5: of the great nineties movies of our time. I think, uh,
Speaker 5: scintillation for formaces.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, clearly we didn't celebrate our independence hard enough.
Speaker 2: I think you might be right if we could just
Speaker 2: so easily make kings or I will remind you queens now.
Speaker 4: One can dream.
Speaker 5: Jordan there, I'm really excused, are you Are you asking
Speaker 5: for monarchies.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if you're gonna legalize a king, then
Speaker 2: you then that means we get actually also yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, only calling for the violent overthrow of the United
Speaker 5: States comments.
Speaker 1: No, we understandogize if that was not.
Speaker 3: I know you were talking about King George. I was
Speaker 3: really worried you were going to get patriotic there for
Speaker 3: a minute when you were saying that Fourth of July
Speaker 3: was underrated.
Speaker 1: What about you, Dan, something that you think is underrated.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to describe it, but it's songs
Speaker 3: that are similar to like Mandolin Rain by Bruce Hornsby
Speaker 3: or Go West's King of Wishful Thinking. There's a genre
Speaker 3: of like these old, really bad songs. Wait, what's the
Speaker 3: first one? I just wanted to just so I can
Speaker 3: reference it really quick, Bruce Hornsby, Mandolin Rain.
Speaker 4: What's the setting?
Speaker 2: I don't have we like, have we have we done
Speaker 2: some genocideing? No, you're rope a filling replaced?
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe a particularly emotionally draining filling right right,
Speaker 3: it's just h yeah, that genre of music sometimes you
Speaker 3: just need it.
Speaker 5: Is your ex girlfriend's favorite filling, That's that's the one
Speaker 5: you're getting removed.
Speaker 3: I recently stumbled across a couple of songs that kind
Speaker 3: of sound like that, and I don't know what it is,
Speaker 3: but it hit me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love like some songs that are
Speaker 1: so like Sacharin or just sort of take you back
Speaker 1: to like some era where no one knew anything about
Speaker 1: what was actually happening in the world.
Speaker 3: That's what it is.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a time when no one knew what,
Speaker 1: like how fucked up the world was, and you're like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: fucking mandolin rain.
Speaker 3: Man or that's all. It was the end of the
Speaker 3: Innocent Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. That's also isn't that
Speaker 3: genre the return? No? Not no, not that's.
Speaker 4: But this, by the way, this music video is wild.
Speaker 2: It looks like like me sitting around with a bunch
Speaker 2: of jam band guys in like first year of college
Speaker 2: and watching them all play the mandolin and smoking like
Speaker 2: out of a big bong and being like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: love this.
Speaker 3: You are like fish yeah man, mand Well now I
Speaker 3: got it. What what is it?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: It's not like quite yacht rock.
Speaker 1: It's like just sort of that soft jazz.
Speaker 4: Music to fuck too.
Speaker 3: Also, that is another thing that's underrated though too. It
Speaker 3: is the yacht rock web series from Oh You Channel
Speaker 3: long ago. Yeah, everybody knows. That was Actually the way
Speaker 3: I started listening to yacht rock, like ironically, was because
Speaker 3: I loved the depictions of like how Kenny Loggins and
Speaker 3: all that more fucking chatting shit and I hear there's
Speaker 3: a little bit more depth to this ship.
Speaker 5: So you would you say that you got on the
Speaker 5: highway to the danger zone.
Speaker 3: I absolutely did.
Speaker 1: And uh I looked at a Michael McDonald's greatest hits
Speaker 1: up and said you belong to me.
Speaker 5: Oh so stranger he did. He did a verse on
Speaker 5: a Holy Ghost track. The Holy Ghost was like an
Speaker 5: early thousands dance punk you know, like the yeah yeah
Speaker 5: yeahs Brooklyn Eric kind of thing. And Uh, it's just
Speaker 5: so fantastic to hear his wild ass over a dance
Speaker 5: punk track. It's just like, oh, it's perfect, it's pers great.
Speaker 3: He kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: He was sort of like in a way like yarling,
Speaker 1: but we didn't quite know what it was yet, just
Speaker 1: like that that way of singer, Like there's something infectious
Speaker 1: about how fuck McDonald gets down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you keep, you keep forgetting how good he is.
Speaker 3: It's another one of the songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We're not in love anymore, ahead and things will
Speaker 1: never be the same again.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm on my own.
Speaker 1: There we go. We've died, completed the circle. Jordan, what
Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 1: Democracy, Democracy as a whole is overrated.
Speaker 5: I think people people have been telling me this whole
Speaker 5: time that we've been doing it right, and clearly we haven't.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen any that every nobody's ever represented my interests.
Speaker 5: One time nobody's even listened to me. Every time I've
Speaker 5: been like, hey, maybe we should do this, they've countered
Speaker 5: with no, how about more to the military. So I say, no, Moss,
Speaker 5: no more democracy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's embrace it for what it is. Popularity contests.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I refuse to participate any longer in the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I'm coming in hot today. That's right, that's what I've
Speaker 3: been thinking.
Speaker 5: Well, actually, so here's what happened.
Speaker 3: Can I recommend you sit down and listen to some
Speaker 3: Bruce hornsby I think you're okay?
Speaker 4: How about them Pepper Rocks?
Speaker 3: All right, it's my fault.
Speaker 5: About an hour ago, my little sister texted me asking
Speaker 5: me if I could pick her up from the airport
Speaker 5: from Midway.
Speaker 6: So my stress has been high on the end the country.
Speaker 6: That's basically just because you got to go to Midway. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's pretty much all I need and all. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: as and people in LA have the same thing. When
Speaker 6: someone's like, hey, can you come to LAX, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 6: So I could die trying to get in because it
Speaker 6: takes fucking seven years. No, No, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. This thing, this thing they call.
Speaker 1: Democracy here, it's really something especially when they keep saying
Speaker 1: things like this is the fight for democracy and this
Speaker 1: is the guy who will defend it, and you're like,
Speaker 1: are we talking about the same.
Speaker 3: I think we're having a great time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It is interesting that it is still July fourth week
Speaker 2: and this is like the UK is having their elections
Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, I know they have a king still,
Speaker 2: but at least they have a parliament, Like, at least
Speaker 2: it's representative.
Speaker 4: At least there's more than one party.
Speaker 2: Could we fucking get that over here, so that maybe
Speaker 2: someone who doesn't want all money to military could represent us?
Speaker 3: Well, they come up with some cool stuff.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the country of Brexit is clearly
Speaker 5: the one we should follow.
Speaker 2: Right now, I say, would it be such a bad
Speaker 2: thing to be recolonized?
Speaker 6: Yeah, now we're talking, you're speaking my language.
Speaker 1: So we can throw the shackles of the monarchy off
Speaker 1: of ourselves yet again, as.
Speaker 3: Long as it's not frage involved. Yeah right?
Speaker 1: Oh god, Oh Nige, what about you, Dan, what's something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated?
Speaker 3: I always have a difficult time with overrated because you know,
Speaker 3: like it has such a negativity. But I think Reese's
Speaker 3: peanut butter cups. You know, I don't want to put
Speaker 3: any person down by saying that some piece of art
Speaker 3: is overrated or anything like that, because you know, people
Speaker 3: are trying, people are trying.
Speaker 4: To mona Lisa.
Speaker 3: Trash. But whatever. Yeah, I think Reese's peanut butter cups
Speaker 3: are they're they get more credit than their due. And
Speaker 3: are you fine?
Speaker 1: Are you a peanut butter chocolate combo advocate or you
Speaker 1: are just generally like, man, fuck, I don't give a
Speaker 1: fuck about peanut and chocolate.
Speaker 3: You know, I definitely see where it's coming from. I
Speaker 3: can see the allure of it. I see the peanut
Speaker 3: butter and chocolate how they complement each other. That I'm
Speaker 3: not it doesn't miss me entirely. But yeah, Reese's peanut
Speaker 3: butter cup, everybody puts it up on the top tier.
Speaker 3: Same thing kind of with uh, you know, maybe a
Speaker 3: Starburst I think I think.
Speaker 2: Is overrated, especially the original. You don't need to citrus
Speaker 2: in an original, Like you could go Starburst the blue
Speaker 2: or the purple or but you don't need a too citrus.
Speaker 4: In a in a candy lineup. That's some bullshit. Four
Speaker 4: to exactly. That was just gonna say, I couldn't remember
Speaker 4: how many there were.
Speaker 2: But no, it's a but here's the thing about Reese's
Speaker 2: pieces is that there's a thing, well butterfingers. The only
Speaker 2: other real popular candy is butterfinger, which I think objectively
Speaker 2: is disgusting.
Speaker 1: And it gets stuck in my teeth in a way
Speaker 1: that I can't stand and it could because I'm eating
Speaker 1: that are seven years old everything.
Speaker 3: It's a textural problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know,
Speaker 3: the the other countries have much better selections of candies.
Speaker 3: I think four cand in it. Yeah, if you want
Speaker 3: to mess around with some manas yeah, can Yeah.
Speaker 4: Just what other country are you though?
Speaker 1: You better not say England. We were just do the
Speaker 1: shackles off of the monarchy.
Speaker 3: What about the king makes them wonderful?
Speaker 1: I love anything by Cadbury.
Speaker 3: Turkish delights. No, we were just over in Canada and
Speaker 3: like coffee crisp is just such a cool Yeah, everyone's
Speaker 3: such a good bar. Everyone talks about coffee crisp. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and how we don't have that here. Yeah, it's worth
Speaker 3: it for the tryst.
Speaker 2: The trade, the candy trade deficit between the US and Canada.
Speaker 2: They got the short shrift in NAFTA.
Speaker 4: You know, fuck that.
Speaker 3: Put terraces on candies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bring I don't knowing it home bringing home. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. We're gonna be right
Speaker 1: back and we're gonna get into some Alex Jones Info
Speaker 1: Wars and the like right after this, and we're back
Speaker 1: and Dan Jordan, as I said, as someone that only
Speaker 1: hears about Alex Jones again through like whatever viral clip
Speaker 1: is blowing up, or just like the headlines and then
Speaker 1: subsequent news stories from you know, the mainstream media. I'm
Speaker 1: always like trying to figure out what exactly is happening,
Speaker 1: because every time I see a headline, I'm like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy's fucked, and then he's back or it's like,
Speaker 1: oh this guy's crying.
Speaker 3: What is I thought?
Speaker 1: But and then another time he's like, I've declared victory
Speaker 1: over the globalists, and You're like, I thought you just
Speaker 1: you just said they were killing you?
Speaker 3: What is going on?
Speaker 1: So right now, what I've seen in like the last
Speaker 1: week right was the a court trustee is planning to
Speaker 1: shut down info Wars. Then a few days ago, a
Speaker 1: judge blocked one of the Sandy Hook families from collecting
Speaker 1: a payout what is like the overall state exactly of
Speaker 1: info Wars because I know, like now he's doing a
Speaker 1: lot of maneuvering to avoid like sort of like the
Speaker 1: financial fallout, and I know his dad is now involved,
Speaker 1: but sort of help me understand sort of what the
Speaker 1: state is exactly right now, and like if these headlines
Speaker 1: are completely meaningless or we're just this is like a
Speaker 1: slow process where eventually info Wars is dismantled and sold off.
Speaker 3: Well, it's very complicated, and I'll just give you a
Speaker 3: very broad version of this, and then Jordan will yell
Speaker 3: about it because maybe I'm certainly I'm certain he's very mad.
Speaker 3: But so basically there are two sets of cases. There's
Speaker 3: the connected cases, right, and there's the Texas plaintiffs, and
Speaker 3: they have different ideas about how to approach Alex's case
Speaker 3: now that it has been kicked out of bankruptcy the
Speaker 3: federal court. That happened like what was that on the
Speaker 3: fourteenth last month something like that, And so now we're
Speaker 3: in a situation where the Texas plaintiffs went to state
Speaker 3: court because he had been kicked out of bankruptcy. So
Speaker 3: now I was able to go and try and get
Speaker 3: collected on the things that he owes them, and the
Speaker 3: federal court said, no, we're gonna do a wind down.
Speaker 3: So the court blocking that was that, and then now
Speaker 3: they're doing the trustee is a part of the attempt
Speaker 3: to wind down the business in an orderly fashion that
Speaker 3: they believe will create more of a pot for the
Speaker 3: plaintiffs to split up. Right, And so I think he
Speaker 3: is like screwed in some sense, Like the infra wars
Speaker 3: is probably going to end up deteriorating through this. But
Speaker 3: you mentioned his dad, and it's very clear that they've
Speaker 3: set up a whole new thing that it's going to
Speaker 3: live on after this, and he's it's gonna probably be
Speaker 3: a situation where he's able to maneuver all this and
Speaker 3: keep on going.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like a three headed hydra with his
Speaker 1: dad basically. And now it's like, yeah, well there's my dad.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: So is the dad basically creating another company to sell
Speaker 1: the nutraceutical like all the products and the dad is
Speaker 1: sort of the head of it. He's like, dude, I
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with this, Dude, My dad is
Speaker 1: a genius here.
Speaker 3: All the old stuff that used to be sold, like
Speaker 3: you mentioned silver bullet and uh, you know, like all
Speaker 3: that stuff, it's uh, now you can buy it on
Speaker 3: Doctor Jones Naturals, which is the business that his dad
Speaker 3: owns that is totally unrelated to info Wars and their
Speaker 3: old supplement business. So that's the kind of thing they've got.
Speaker 3: So now even if info Wars as a business and
Speaker 3: free speech systems the parent company, even if they completely collapse,
Speaker 3: Alex could just start a podcast and then his dad
Speaker 3: could be a sponsor and you know, hey, and it's.
Speaker 2: Legal for them to move the money into the new company.
Speaker 2: That seems like that would be stopped now, I.
Speaker 3: Guess it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, I mean I think it is.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing, it is illegal, right, but ah, the
Speaker 5: government's not gonna chase it down.
Speaker 3: You have to.
Speaker 5: You have to chase down every single fucking dollar and
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to pay a lawyer to do it.
Speaker 3: And they're gonna do that.
Speaker 5: And it's gonna be another hearing in six months after that,
Speaker 5: and then another hearing to hear about whether or not
Speaker 5: the hearing from the last hearing of bankruptcy was actually
Speaker 5: the real bankruptcy or if it was a super secret
Speaker 5: fake bankruptcy and we're gonna send it back to state court.
Speaker 1: But then they take it to state court and they're.
Speaker 5: Like, hey, hey, send it back to that other court
Speaker 5: because that's where the bankruptcy is being done.
Speaker 3: Hah.
Speaker 5: I definitely didn't tell you to send it to state
Speaker 5: court where you took it.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 5: We had a gentleman's agreement that because it was Father's Day,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna relax.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just speaking of Father's Day. My dad
Speaker 3: is selling some pills and it's a totally separate business,
Speaker 3: and so.
Speaker 1: It sounds like sort of the classic example of how
Speaker 1: if you have the means to just tie everything up
Speaker 1: in court, you can just gumb everything up to the
Speaker 1: point it's glacial pace and you're still out here having
Speaker 1: the time to be like, hey, doctor Jones, no time
Speaker 1: for love, but we got time to sell these nutraceuticals
Speaker 1: under your name, and then basically the shell game continues.
Speaker 3: Almost infinitely feels like it very much feels that way,
Speaker 3: and if you watch his show, it really seems like
Speaker 3: he's being very transparent about it, like in the way
Speaker 3: that like just the other day he was talking about
Speaker 3: how like, well, you know, we may shut down, and
Speaker 3: so it's a gamble to buy products at infowards store
Speaker 3: dot com, but you know you might not get them,
Speaker 3: but you got a bet on us. You got a
Speaker 3: bet on us. Yes, but the place that's very safe
Speaker 3: to buy products from is doctor Do Consuls. It's like,
Speaker 3: you can't be more obvious about what you're doing here, right.
Speaker 4: He asked you whether you guys knew about his father
Speaker 4: before he decided.
Speaker 2: To use him to funnel money, and like whether that
Speaker 2: origin story has something to do like his origin story
Speaker 2: has somebody to do with his dad, like a las
Speaker 2: like Stephen Crowder or just like yeah, your dad.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this checks out.
Speaker 2: Every fucking right winger that hasn't had an independent thought
Speaker 2: from their dad for their approval, like what like so
Speaker 2: I'm curious about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got an oxygen tank. Let's go. His dad
Speaker 3: was the smartest boy in Texas. He was and he
Speaker 3: built a laser or something like that. And then the
Speaker 3: global the globalists tried to recruit him coming right out
Speaker 3: of high school and he said no. And then he
Speaker 3: became a dentist and the globalist tried to recruit him again,
Speaker 3: and I guess he started working at an underground base
Speaker 3: of the globalist at some point, and he was a
Speaker 3: CIA dentist and he has a lot of secrets because
Speaker 3: of this time, but we don't know what these secrets
Speaker 3: are in the real world. His dad was a big
Speaker 3: John Birch Society guy. Oh oh yeah, he gave John
Speaker 3: Birch Society lectures when Alex was a kid, and like
Speaker 3: he grew up in that kind of a household. It's
Speaker 3: very clear that he's, like Alex has been trying to
Speaker 3: live up to that and like all of the people
Speaker 3: that associated with his dad and those probably like those
Speaker 3: small groups and stuff. And yeah, his dad's been a
Speaker 3: part of his business for a long time. I mean, okay,
Speaker 3: so there's a PQPR as another company that his dad
Speaker 3: and him owned, and that company was like they were
Speaker 3: selling the supplements to Info Wars to sell and then
Speaker 3: like paying for marketing and stuff. So there was like
Speaker 3: this weird organizational flow that his dad and his mom
Speaker 3: quite frankly, always have been a part of, right, so
Speaker 3: supportive parents, so one way to look at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm back to the specific storry because I
Speaker 2: was reading that a judge didn't want to immediately shut
Speaker 2: down info Wars for because it could still be making
Speaker 2: money with which they can make sure plaintiffs are getting
Speaker 2: their payout. But like and that there isn't an agreement
Speaker 2: between the plaintiffs as to whether this is the best thing.
Speaker 2: Some are like, no, we want it shut down because
Speaker 2: fuck this propaganda outlet, and others are like, well, we
Speaker 2: also want money. Could you explain that if you know more.
Speaker 3: About it, probably not any better than you can based
Speaker 3: on articles. I don't have any but.
Speaker 1: Philosophical difference that the victims' families are having based on
Speaker 1: how they want to be.
Speaker 5: Well, here's what impracticum when it comes down to like
Speaker 5: how it will play out, because I understand the way
Speaker 5: that it's supposed to be if everybody's everybody's talking about
Speaker 5: their filings being how everything's going to go, But those
Speaker 5: filings are how everything is going to go if everything
Speaker 5: goes perfectly, which things have not yet done whatsoever. So,
Speaker 5: for for instance, if the Texas families wanted to collect
Speaker 5: on their their fifty million dollar settlement, then they would
Speaker 5: be taking control of f f FSS. They would be
Speaker 5: taking all of Alex's stuff and then they could just
Speaker 5: sell it and then they could give the money away,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Right, that's the idea there.
Speaker 5: But who are you going to sell it to? How
Speaker 5: are you going to sell it to?
Speaker 3: Whom to?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: What would you give it? And then how much money
Speaker 3: is that?
Speaker 5: Right now they are saying it's valued at like ten
Speaker 5: million dollars, So ten million dollars, but you have to
Speaker 5: subtract the fees from everything and blah blah blah blah
Speaker 5: blah blah. And at the end of the day, the
Speaker 5: families individuals, if you split it all equally, you're going
Speaker 5: to wind up with like fifty K one hundred k max.
Speaker 3: Maybe less.
Speaker 2: It's so weird to like give a family, give a
Speaker 2: victim's family, like like the weapon, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like here, here's the gun with which we killed your
Speaker 2: family member. I mean not exactly, but you know, like
Speaker 2: what would they do with the outlet other than make
Speaker 2: money from it?
Speaker 5: Like it?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: Like it's sort of sick the way, Like I gotcha,
Speaker 4: it's it is to.
Speaker 2: Them blood money. This is an outlet that obviously promoted
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory about their slain children, and so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the Lemma like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, yeah, it's it is, especially like from a
Speaker 3: thematic standpoint, it is really difficult to wrestle with that
Speaker 3: that reality. I was involved with the Texas plaintiff's case
Speaker 3: during the trial. I helped as an advisor during that,
Speaker 3: like in terms of you know, bouncing things and stuff
Speaker 3: about al what Alex had said and that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But with the bankruptcy, I've.
Speaker 1: Waited, like you you are consulted by their like legal
Speaker 1: counsel because this guy yeah wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. I was in the deposition room for one
Speaker 3: of Alex's depositions and one of his corporate representatives. I
Speaker 3: flew out to Austin to uh to go do those
Speaker 3: and I was happy to help with that, And but
Speaker 3: when it comes down to the bankruptcy, I don't I
Speaker 3: don't understand. Like with Alex and what he did and
Speaker 3: what he said, I understand what's right. You know, it's
Speaker 3: very clear there's differences of opinion about the bankruptcy stuff
Speaker 3: that I can't parse, and I've tried to stay out
Speaker 3: of as best I can. Yeah, right, lawyer ship. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it's just also wild because the headlines have you
Speaker 1: think it's like oh, they're getting one point four billion.
Speaker 3: Dollars, you know what I mean? And you're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're not getting shipped.
Speaker 1: No, Like right, I'm like, I mean, like to your point,
Speaker 1: who is being like God, I can't wait for info
Speaker 1: wars and free speech systems to hit the market, man,
Speaker 1: because I am hopping in and scooping that ship right up,
Speaker 1: Like no, yeah, I mean if you.
Speaker 5: Think about like hourly, how many years has this been
Speaker 5: going on? You know, how much how much do you
Speaker 5: think you would get hourly? What what's your billable hours
Speaker 5: in the eight years that this lawsuit's been going on,
Speaker 5: for the judgment being one and a half billion, and
Speaker 5: for the comparison to what you're gonna get, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's horrific.
Speaker 3: It's a horrifying thing they've done to these people. And
Speaker 3: that's that's what you were bringing up too, is like
Speaker 3: there is a reality that is maybe unfortunate that some people.
Speaker 3: You have to figure out what you think about it.
Speaker 3: I guess is that probably the way that you extract
Speaker 3: the most money is allowing Alex to stay on air
Speaker 3: and garnish his wages in some way, right, right, and
Speaker 3: like and that is that's exactly what you're saying, is
Speaker 3: they like giving the weapon kind of metaphor and people,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what the answer to that is.
Speaker 3: It's it's a mess, right right, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, what do you guys think having seen and studied
Speaker 2: Alex Jones is uh? I mean, ultimately, when you zoom out,
Speaker 2: it does feel like a win for the victims, even
Speaker 2: if he can siphon off the money. It's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm I'm getting him off of YouTube was
Speaker 2: a victory and I was just, you know, I was enthralled.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys know a lot more about all
Speaker 2: the victims specifically in Sandy Hook, but like Lenny Posner
Speaker 2: is one of those people who I'm like fascinated by
Speaker 2: the victims. I don't think if my kid were killed
Speaker 2: in a mass shooting and some psycho spreading massive misinformation
Speaker 2: that I would like make it my job to take
Speaker 2: them down, move locations and addresses multiple times because I
Speaker 2: was being trolled endlessly, Like for my mental health, I
Speaker 2: would move on. And this is a guy who like
Speaker 2: put it all aside, and I'm sure mentally is not well.
Speaker 2: But and I know other victims families have actually committed suicide.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm just curious, like it's ultimately a good story, right,
Speaker 2: because he's going by.
Speaker 1: By maybe right, yeah, what's positive or negative? Did the
Speaker 1: universe just arc towards wows Laughter's like, no, nope, he will.
Speaker 3: I think my immediate reaction is is kind of just
Speaker 3: like a I don't know, I can't say, you know,
Speaker 3: like it's a I think I think that you know,
Speaker 3: you hear the stories about the one point four billion
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and you want there to be
Speaker 3: like this just and what have you. And maybe it's
Speaker 3: unsatisfying when you're looking at it from the outside. But
Speaker 3: for each of the people who this is actually about,
Speaker 3: which is you know, the victims and the families like that,
Speaker 3: that's up to them to decide. I guess what the now,
Speaker 3: whether there's a victory or not, it seems like there's
Speaker 3: some sort of a victory in that, like this is
Speaker 3: really inconvenienced him and it's definitely hurt some visibility to
Speaker 3: do what he does, right, But he's not going to
Speaker 3: be gone. That's that's probably not going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's crying more. Is he crying more
Speaker 1: or less than he normally does? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: I always see Alex Jones cry over something, whether it's
Speaker 1: sold the country or you know, the info war is
Speaker 1: getting shut down. But I mean, like in those clips,
Speaker 1: because I feel like recently the internet has really been
Speaker 1: like dude, he's crying, it's over for him, And I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: I think I need a little more context here than
Speaker 1: a guy who just you know, outwardly has these like
Speaker 1: you know, huge performative emotions on camera, But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what what sort of the context even with that, Like
Speaker 1: is that purely to just kind of keep his audience
Speaker 1: in like they're against us?
Speaker 3: Moe.
Speaker 1: I want to say.
Speaker 5: I want to say that within the first one hundred episodes,
Speaker 5: we openly questioned how long he was gonna be on
Speaker 5: air form and that was eight years ago, Like it was,
Speaker 5: it's been a regular drumbeat of like maybe this is
Speaker 5: the time. He's not fucking maybe, you know, because you think,
Speaker 5: sure everybody, you know, nobody, everybody thinks the world's gonna end,
Speaker 5: but eventually it's gone a fucking end to somebody, right,
Speaker 5: you know, So maybe this is the time, but he
Speaker 5: just just keep going.
Speaker 3: Also, within the first hundred episodes or so, I think
Speaker 3: It was probably when we encountered the first time he
Speaker 3: fake cried and.
Speaker 4: You're immune to it now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, back then it was really interesting because you know,
Speaker 3: you're watching a show that's pretending to be news and
Speaker 3: you're seeing a guy fake crying on air and you
Speaker 3: don't know what to think. You don't know what to think,
Speaker 3: like is this real? Has he really hit some kind
Speaker 3: of an emotional place? And then you just see it
Speaker 3: enough that it kind of, eh, he's doing that again,
Speaker 3: He's done the thing. Yeah, but I get it. It
Speaker 3: travels around social media really well because it is very funny.
Speaker 5: It's jarring because you're like, well, imagining what if wolf
Speaker 5: Blitzer was doing Alex. You know, like he's ostensibly a
Speaker 5: newsperson who's having a full breakdown, so you can compare
Speaker 5: it to like what if a regular newsperson was having
Speaker 5: a breakdown, and that would also be funny.
Speaker 3: It's just like, you know, what if wolf s Blitzer
Speaker 3: was wasted?
Speaker 2: If I don't know, I don't consume it, so I
Speaker 2: don't know where you actually get it. But where do
Speaker 2: you get your info wars? Do you have to be
Speaker 2: a paying member or is it just his site and
Speaker 2: also has his listenership grown or shrunk since he was deplatformed.
Speaker 2: Quick follow up, do you believe deplatforming works well?
Speaker 3: To your first question? I know a guy ell, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I get I get my Alex on the black market bootlegs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right. I get him on cassettes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like the Fern Gully soundtrack, but it's.
Speaker 4: Actually he's just on wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: No, he's got kicked off all of those things. But
Speaker 3: he still has his own websites, right, and so I
Speaker 3: don't want to no plug here. Yeah yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 3: he has his website and I just can get stuff
Speaker 3: from there, right, And so audience growing decreasing as a result.
Speaker 3: I don't It's hard to tell. I think I think
Speaker 3: it was probably shrinking. And then he's back on Twitter now,
Speaker 3: so he's able to reach more people who may be
Speaker 3: unaware of his stick and that's definitely helping. But I
Speaker 3: still I don't think he is as big as he
Speaker 3: was in twenty sixteen. Yeah, Like there was a there
Speaker 3: was a real wave that he was riding at that point.
Speaker 1: And I remember even like liberal people were like, dude,
Speaker 1: this shit's kind of wild, and I'm like why are
Speaker 1: you watching?
Speaker 3: It's like, cause it's fun.
Speaker 1: And then like ten percent of those people ended up
Speaker 1: being like and that's where my news will always come from.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh they got you with the
Speaker 1: frog stuff and now you were laughing, and now you're
Speaker 1: like you have tears in your your eyes about whatever
Speaker 1: global threat there is.
Speaker 3: But deplatforming, did you think it worked at least in
Speaker 3: this case?
Speaker 4: Or or I mean, where do you guys stand on it?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean eventually, eventually, I respect, with respect to all
Speaker 5: fact checkers and smart people everywhere. Eventually the answer should
Speaker 5: be look around you, do you think it worked?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: He's there's more and more have spawned, you know. I
Speaker 2: mean I personally where I come on deplatforming come down
Speaker 2: is like absolutely, you you must and it's important. The
Speaker 2: algorithm on YouTube feeds a bunch of other bullshit to
Speaker 2: the same people, but it's not maybe quite doesn't touch
Speaker 2: whatever third rail of defaming victims of mass shootings. It
Speaker 2: was touched, even though there's tons of whatever transphobia and
Speaker 2: violence and you know whatever.
Speaker 4: All that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that it's important to do, even if there
Speaker 2: are now so many other Alex Jones is out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mostly agree with that that that's sort of
Speaker 3: line it does. It may not solve the whole problem,
Speaker 3: but it's probably something that is worth doing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't say abortion on YouTube without being demonetized,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like, I mean, and I
Speaker 2: should know, iron one hundred dollars a month from YouTube.
Speaker 3: You can't say abortion on YouTube.
Speaker 4: No, you can't. You can't.
Speaker 2: I mean you can't put it in a title or
Speaker 2: like a thumbnail and probably not say it in the
Speaker 2: first like five minutes of the video. You can talk
Speaker 2: about it, of course, but you will get like you
Speaker 2: will be demoted.
Speaker 5: Well, then the platforming worked, absolutely, Yeah, I mean exactly
Speaker 5: that's how that's being used.
Speaker 1: Is definitely inconsistent, but yeah, it's I think at the
Speaker 1: very least, when you have people like that, there has
Speaker 1: to be at least some fear of that there's something
Speaker 1: negative could happen to you, rather than like it actually
Speaker 1: I'm invincible.
Speaker 3: That's actually a really good point.
Speaker 5: There is absolutely no fear anything negative will happen to
Speaker 5: him in all it's like and that's kind of part
Speaker 5: actually going back to daddy issues for Alex is that
Speaker 5: at every point in time through his personal backstory. That
Speaker 5: what we can find that's true, or at least is
Speaker 5: close enough to lore to to work right, is that
Speaker 5: any time he gets into trouble before there can be
Speaker 5: an actual consequence, daddy swoops in and it's taken care of,
Speaker 5: and it's over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: Or daddy swoops in is my savior moments for me?
Speaker 7: Well, in the in the there's an NPR thing that
Speaker 7: Ronson did where he talked about he talked to kids
Speaker 7: that grew up with Alex, and Alex was like regularly
Speaker 7: in scraps of the of the sort and where in
Speaker 7: places would be if it got hot all of a sudden,
Speaker 7: you know, it's taken care of, or they've moved to
Speaker 7: a different city, or you know what I'm saying, it's
Speaker 7: all it's all covered.
Speaker 3: Consequence. We moved to Austin from rock Wall because Alex
Speaker 3: either maybe was in some fights or the police wanted
Speaker 3: to kill him. He's gotten covered a conspiracy, one of
Speaker 3: the two, whichever war you would like to believe. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: a hit job on me.
Speaker 5: He may have uncovered the police had a drug rig
Speaker 5: that they were running drugs through and it was too
Speaker 5: hot for him to stay in town.
Speaker 1: Any longer, or I was getting a lot of fights
Speaker 1: at school. One of the two, Yeah, I get one
Speaker 1: of the two. Yeah maybe, Okay, Well up to you
Speaker 1: to decide, I guess, but I think it's pretty clear.
Speaker 1: I just had no idea how much how much of
Speaker 1: a figure his dad was, because I've seen people like reference.
Speaker 3: The dad too.
Speaker 1: But now as I'm like seeing how this is all
Speaker 1: coming together with like his business and just you know,
Speaker 1: in this conversation, I'm like Jesus Christ, it's alms.
Speaker 3: He's he's a very mysterious figure, even to me, you know,
Speaker 3: like someone who spent as much time with this stuff,
Speaker 3: like he uh, you know, pieces of information from you
Speaker 3: know where you can find it. You hear Alex's version
Speaker 3: of it, which is like really hero worshiping his dad.
Speaker 3: And then there was one short deposition that he accidentally
Speaker 3: gave at the beginning of the Sandy Hook trial that
Speaker 3: is really kind of interesting, but only in as much
Speaker 3: as it it's like it doesn't really tell you all
Speaker 3: that much. But he's a Yeah, he's a weird figure.
Speaker 3: He's I think he's more deeply entwined in Alex's career
Speaker 3: than most people realize.
Speaker 1: I think he's kaiser. I think that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: I think that's the best corollary for what David Jones
Speaker 1: is is kaiser.
Speaker 3: So say, behind all these when Alex was memorializing David Bowie,
Speaker 3: he was like David Bowie's dad, David Jones, not my dad,
Speaker 3: the other one or something like all that. Oh boy,
Speaker 3: we always assumed it it was mister Jones. I thought
Speaker 3: was your brother man, because you're so cool?
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that the.
Speaker 2: Trials could have gone different because of but his dumb
Speaker 2: ass behavior, which reminds me of like again Trump's behavior
Speaker 2: of like, you know, what was it where he like
Speaker 2: had an image of the judge with like devil horns
Speaker 2: on and was openly talking shit about her, Like could
Speaker 2: this have gone another way for him if he had
Speaker 2: just like not pretent, not been like an elitist ahole
Speaker 2: who like thought he could get away with anything.
Speaker 4: Maybe not, I mean, maybe it was always gonna be.
Speaker 3: How about how about this?
Speaker 5: Like, because I understand your question, and I think I
Speaker 5: think your question ultimately boils down to if he had
Speaker 5: made different choices, would things to have turned out a
Speaker 5: different way, yes, And I think I think the answer
Speaker 5: to that is is twofold. Like, first, obviously if he
Speaker 5: made different choices, things would have turned out different. But second,
Speaker 5: the better question is could he make different choices physically
Speaker 5: in this university? Yeah capable, And the answer to that
Speaker 5: is no. This is not about he And that's why
Speaker 5: he's That's why the system can't function with him is
Speaker 5: because ultimately.
Speaker 3: The idea is like you have to agree to be
Speaker 3: compelled to do something.
Speaker 5: Sure, you know you were saying that you owe us
Speaker 5: a billion dollars, but eventually you have to like give
Speaker 5: me the money, right you have to, you have to
Speaker 5: give it to me. And if he just goes no
Speaker 5: long enough, then eventually you get to the point where
Speaker 5: it's like either you go take it physically from him
Speaker 5: or you quit.
Speaker 3: And then there's a standoff or something.
Speaker 4: And he's betting there definitely will be a standoff.
Speaker 2: I think you guys, I mean, he's just betting that
Speaker 2: you're going to question of would knowledge fight stop because
Speaker 2: clearly it's not going to stop, because he would do
Speaker 2: a standoff.
Speaker 3: I would hope, I mean I don't hope, but it
Speaker 3: turns out the right wing tradition that he comes from.
Speaker 3: It seems like they love a standoff, and I feel
Speaker 3: like if he didn't, it would be very off brand.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it you said?
Speaker 5: You was you you lived long enough to or no,
Speaker 5: you die Bill Cooper, you live long enough to see
Speaker 5: yourself become Alex Joes something along. I was.
Speaker 3: Ranch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because Bill Cooper died in a shootout with
Speaker 5: Yes the way, the way You're supposed.
Speaker 4: To go, the Bundy Ranch. They kind of won.
Speaker 3: It was like.
Speaker 1: Yep, I'd say, So, everyone seems like they're doing all right.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Speaker 1: back and talk about some of the current events that
Speaker 1: Alex has been talking about after this and we're back,
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously the first presidential debate has gotten
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion.
Speaker 3: Many people or like the shows.
Speaker 1: That should be someone else and other people like, we
Speaker 1: fucking told you this whole fucking time.
Speaker 3: What the fuck's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: I'm very curious how is Alex Jones discussing sort of
Speaker 1: this current election, and you know, especially as it relates
Speaker 1: to the debate recently, I'm I'm curious if you had anything,
Speaker 1: you know, Alex jonesy in to say about it, or
Speaker 1: he was just sort of like, this is what happens
Speaker 1: when you don't take nutraceuticals and just turn it into.
Speaker 3: An ad Well. Uh, he was predicting that maybe there
Speaker 3: would be a murder at the debate, so that was fun.
Speaker 3: I wish there was the possibility of Trump being assassinated
Speaker 3: because the globalists hate him, but then maybe they would
Speaker 3: kill Biden because that would make the Democrats look like victims,
Speaker 3: and then it would solve the problem that Biden's a
Speaker 3: bad candidate, and then they beat Trump. So there was
Speaker 3: a lot of fun going on beforehand, but then when
Speaker 3: it wasn't really all that exciting, he was just I
Speaker 3: don't know, He's like this, this is a problem with
Speaker 3: a two party system. You're like, wait, what the middle
Speaker 3: take now?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: I think it's interesting because everybody in the real world's
Speaker 5: reaction was like, ah, Biden didn't perform well, and so
Speaker 5: you would imagine like Alex would be like, ha ha,
Speaker 5: we're you going to take a victory lap, but you're
Speaker 5: mistaking reality again.
Speaker 1: In their world, it was just really boring. It was
Speaker 1: just boring.
Speaker 5: Nobody got into a fight. Yeah, no, murder, yeah, the
Speaker 5: mask fell off. Yeah, yeah, there was supposed to be something.
Speaker 5: There's supposed to be fireworks or something. It was just
Speaker 5: two old men shit talking about golf. So then does
Speaker 5: he just do the thing where like a lot of
Speaker 5: conspiracy theoristies have to kick the can down the road.
Speaker 5: It's like, well, maybe I was wrong about that one,
Speaker 5: but this this next thing, you know, probably gonna happen.
Speaker 5: Then oh no, He's just kind of like whatever that
Speaker 5: was boring.
Speaker 3: Well, one of the hallmarks of Alex's behavior is they
Speaker 3: he'll make those predictions like there's gonna be a murder
Speaker 3: at the debate, and then just when it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that was gonna happen. I was just
Speaker 3: I just said maybe it would happen. I was just
Speaker 3: we were just looking at it from all sides. So
Speaker 3: there's no responsibility for any of that stuff, and he
Speaker 3: could just move forward right right.
Speaker 2: But I do think that the eclipse was was the
Speaker 2: moment that they swapped Biden's body importing because he was
Speaker 2: basically like, the deep State is going to use the
Speaker 2: eclipse to pull I forgot exactly what it was. Maybe
Speaker 2: you guys remember, but also it might be just one
Speaker 2: of them, any eclipses, every eclipse.
Speaker 3: Actually, right, there's there were a lot of things going
Speaker 3: on with the eclipse, but it was it was mostly
Speaker 3: about preparing martial law drills, yes, yes, in order to
Speaker 3: implement a prison state across the United States, right, which definitely.
Speaker 4: Happened, Like we already have a prison state, my guy,
Speaker 4: Like I see people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was mostly just about increased traffic cops and
Speaker 3: stuff like that for tourism. But but that was martial
Speaker 3: law drills, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And like in terms of what's does he have any
Speaker 1: like sort of overarching themes about this election, like in
Speaker 1: terms of what the stakes are or what like what
Speaker 1: is meant to happen because it's going to open X
Speaker 1: Y or Z door.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's an interesting question. What is I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, what are the stakes? The stakes are always
Speaker 5: it's God versus the devil. Yo, this is I mean,
Speaker 5: the election is the election. But this is in the
Speaker 5: fight of all fights, right, is the beginning and the
Speaker 5: ending of Alpha Nomega.
Speaker 3: You know, this is just another battle. Jordan, You're touching
Speaker 3: on something I think that is really important and I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people don't recognize that, like Alex
Speaker 3: is not political, like there's stuff that like really does
Speaker 3: impact political realities. But he thinks that God gives him
Speaker 3: visions of the future and that he's fighting literal demons
Speaker 3: and that all of the people who are on the
Speaker 3: left and who disagree with him are possessed by these
Speaker 3: demons and all of this stuff. There's a spiritual warfare
Speaker 3: that is not metaphorical that Alex believes he's a crusader in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so it's kind of admirable.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I respect that more than like artisan hackery,
Speaker 2: you know, where you're like at least you're unique versus like, oh,
Speaker 2: bidden totally fucked that debate up is that he's just like, nah,
Speaker 2: the lizard demons are still getting like I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's at least there's a lane like your lots of
Speaker 2: it's like trying to cover it every week.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, I mean, but then that's my But then
Speaker 1: I also, as you'd say, like he's unable, like he's
Speaker 1: compelled to say these these things. But then in court
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm a performance artist. Well right, you know,
Speaker 1: like lawyer said that, yeah, well we're so where do
Speaker 1: you guys, like, where do you guys land in terms
Speaker 1: of what his actual intent is and what is how
Speaker 1: he's taking in the world, Like it's fully just like
Speaker 1: this is this is legit to him? Or it's half like,
Speaker 1: I mean, this seems like it's working, so I guess
Speaker 1: I'll just keep doing it. Kind of a thing could
Speaker 1: be both, Yeah, could be a mix. Who knows where
Speaker 1: compulsion meets craft, Right, it's somewhere in there.
Speaker 3: What do you think.
Speaker 5: I'm of the opinion that in twenty twenty four, intent
Speaker 5: should no longer matter for any of us. You know, Like,
Speaker 5: I understand a lot of people have intended to do
Speaker 5: a lot of shit, but now they what's done is done,
Speaker 5: and people need to be held accountable for it.
Speaker 3: So I really don't care what anybody intends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the what's in Alex Jones's heart is a weird one.
Speaker 1: Like what does he mean? I don't care. Here's what
Speaker 1: he's done. Let's do the thing to that.
Speaker 5: Let's react appropriately to the thing that instead of reacting
Speaker 5: to the thing that that person wished.
Speaker 3: What happened, Yeah, it's the thing that I come back
Speaker 3: to a bit. Is like Alex constantly on air has
Speaker 3: said that he's murdered multiple people, like watched them die,
Speaker 3: Like he said, said he's stop people's goods out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when they bled to death in front of him, he
Speaker 3: said stuff like that. Yeah. And then under oath he
Speaker 3: was asked about that and he said he's never murdered anybody,
Speaker 3: never killed anybody. But like there's a you see someone
Speaker 3: grotesquely describe having committed murder, and you have to ask yourself, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you either believe that you did this or you want
Speaker 3: the audience to believe this about you, and it's not true,
Speaker 3: and either way the impact is really fucked up. Sure,
Speaker 3: so that's really where the reality is. You know, whether
Speaker 3: he knows what he's doing is just all false or whatever,
Speaker 3: it still impacts the real world in a way that matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and like I guess how I felt like
Speaker 1: for a while, there was like this idea of sort
Speaker 1: of a lot of the stuff that Alex would have,
Speaker 1: like say on his show or the people he would
Speaker 1: have on was sort of like a beginning entry point
Speaker 1: into like the conservative misinfo taka sphere kind of thing
Speaker 1: and then could get mainstreamed. Is he is that influence
Speaker 1: like waning by any like any measurable way, or he's
Speaker 1: just kind of still just sort of this like sideshow
Speaker 1: figure that occasionally has these takes that like end up
Speaker 1: intersecting and being beneficial to like conservative causes and things
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Well you know how you said like one out of
Speaker 3: one hundred or people were watching and laughing and then
Speaker 3: they're like, oh no, you're crying now, yeah, right right,
Speaker 3: that's the purpose that Alex serves, you know, Like that's
Speaker 3: the he can crack through to people and get them
Speaker 3: to start listening to narratives and ship that they don't
Speaker 3: really realize is as bad as it is. And then oh,
Speaker 3: what do you know, we have some Nazi show up
Speaker 3: on the show, who I'm pretending is just kind of
Speaker 3: a cool dude, right, you know, and oh, maybe you'll
Speaker 3: start listening to that. It's a gradual path that Alex
Speaker 3: serves as an entry point with that. In terms of
Speaker 3: like the information stuff, I think there's so many people
Speaker 3: now that he is not nearly as important for them.
Speaker 3: He's more of a follower than a leader and that stuff.
Speaker 3: I think than he was let's say, early two thousands.
Speaker 5: He's like a legacy now, you know, he's still given
Speaker 5: a lot of he's still given a lot of shrift,
Speaker 5: but in reality he can take him to leave.
Speaker 3: Him, bring him out to like do a speech a
Speaker 3: turning point, not because he's gonna have some great ideas,
Speaker 3: but because he's gonna be like catchphrases.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you know what he did for the brand,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: love we love your work man, we love what you did.
Speaker 3: We love what you did.
Speaker 1: So I guess, from your perspective, what's the best and
Speaker 1: worst case scenarios for what Alex is next couple of
Speaker 1: years ago is from the just watching the waves and
Speaker 1: undulations of info wars for whom I would say, for
Speaker 1: us as people who are having to live in a
Speaker 1: world that is affected by his existence.
Speaker 5: Best case scenario with the parameters that we have, as
Speaker 5: in like things that are feasibly.
Speaker 1: Possible legally and otherwise. Yeah, oh, I can't answer that one.
Speaker 3: I think worst case scenario is you live near Alex
Speaker 3: and he eats you, because you know he's threatened to
Speaker 3: do that so that he will barbecue your ass. Yeah
Speaker 3: if he yeah, if he loses all of his money
Speaker 3: and he has to resort to eating human flesh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they'll sell it on what Dr Jones dot com.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I've got a best case scenario. Here's the
Speaker 5: best case scenario. All right, we organ as a party
Speaker 5: and we just start digging on all of his property,
Speaker 5: and I guarantee we'll find more money than.
Speaker 4: Right now got burying gold energy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's our that's our best case scenario. We all
Speaker 5: organize shovel parties and that we moved from there, and
Speaker 5: then what you keep what you find basically, or do
Speaker 5: we all pitch it? I think we I think we
Speaker 5: obviously donated to I mean it's it's inappropriate respect.
Speaker 3: You might get a finder's feet Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Anybody, anybody who pockets the gold is going right back
Speaker 5: and half.
Speaker 1: Right exactly until the Supreme Court overturns Finders v.
Speaker 3: Keepers. Uh, we were back to square one.
Speaker 1: Well, guys, Dan Jordan, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: us on the Daily Zeitgeist.
Speaker 3: Where can people find you? Follow you, support you, all
Speaker 3: that kind of good stuff websites just knowledge fight dot
Speaker 3: com perfect perfect, Thanks for having us, Oh no, thank you,
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 1: It's always great to have people on to talk about
Speaker 1: just like the wacky shit that's happening, especially like again
Speaker 1: for the depth of your knowledge, it's uh, it's impressive
Speaker 1: and helps so much because like you're saying, like half
Speaker 1: the time I'm asking a question, it's like you're kind
Speaker 1: of not make gidding it with what Alex Jones is
Speaker 1: because I think so much of what we experience as
Speaker 1: a sort of being, like, look at this creature that
Speaker 1: screams from the corners and that's weird, versus understanding that
Speaker 1: his whole thing is like I'm offering people perspective that's
Speaker 1: completely devoid of reality, which allows all these other ideas
Speaker 1: to take a foothold, and then I've created some kind
Speaker 1: of day walker who.
Speaker 2: Can I think that's really apps because like Miles and
Speaker 2: I are like coming in with real specific questions.
Speaker 3: It's like he is what he is, you know, and.
Speaker 2: There's no real logic to it. I have just really
Speaker 2: rapid fire a couple questions before you guys go, which
Speaker 2: is sure, does he smell like he looks and is
Speaker 2: his voice like an Elizabeth Holmes situation where it's like.
Speaker 3: Paras hltan like he colde switching. Yeah, First question is
Speaker 3: how do you think he spells? How do you think
Speaker 3: he looks like he smells.
Speaker 2: He smells, he looks like he smells like yeah, like
Speaker 2: like just backed balls, like just like just uh but worse,
Speaker 2: you know, like after a hot day, you you're you're
Speaker 2: It's like our four of leaning over the July fourth barbecue,
Speaker 2: didn't take a shower yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's a combo of like dried sweat, cigarette smoke,
Speaker 1: and like faint cologne that isn't quite strong enough and
Speaker 1: so it comes together in this like terrible. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I don't know he I mean I don't didn't
Speaker 4: try to smell.
Speaker 3: I was near him, and I don't remember him smelling that.
Speaker 3: It was in the deposition room, and I don't remember it.
Speaker 3: You could know, No, Unfortunately, I can't say a fly
Speaker 3: landed on him or the stink lines and everything. I
Speaker 3: think it was just kind of like a cologne ish
Speaker 3: okay type of smell. Okay, what was your second one? Oh?
Speaker 4: Whether the voice is a put on, I mean it
Speaker 4: is obviously played up.
Speaker 3: I think he just smoked a lot. Yeah, Okay, I
Speaker 3: think some of it is a put on.
Speaker 5: In the early day, he was doing a rush. He
Speaker 5: was doing straight rush Limbaugh, and it was a full
Speaker 5: on affected. Yeah yeah, yeah, and I think over time
Speaker 5: he's just smoked a lot and life sucks like it's
Speaker 5: just you know, it's just all awful for it does
Speaker 5: what he does to his body. So now it's probably
Speaker 5: more realistic than you know, what's what's the mask and
Speaker 5: what's the human beneath that?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, there's a there is a difference if you
Speaker 3: watch him in like a deposition setting, there's a difference
Speaker 3: from him like performing high energy on stage, but it
Speaker 3: does still feel like the same type of voice. I'll believe.
Speaker 3: If there's any sincerity, it's that it sounds like sounds
Speaker 3: like that. Ye yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Oh man.
Speaker 1: And also, guys, is there any work of media, social, visual,
Speaker 1: anything that you've been enjoying, something that.
Speaker 3: Put a smile on your face?
Speaker 5: Hmm?
Speaker 3: Whenever I whenever I need a respite, I'll go to
Speaker 3: the Hay Randy podcast. I love Tim Baltz's Hey Randy podcast. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jordan,
Speaker 3: what about you?
Speaker 5: Oh I think, guy, Well, every night my wife and
Speaker 5: I now watch an episode of task Master just before
Speaker 5: we go to bed.
Speaker 3: Just watch it and go to sleep. Because I am
Speaker 3: eighty five years old and I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: You gotta love a panel show from the UK, right, God,
Speaker 1: I love one of those. Francesca, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me today guest hosting. Where do people find you?
Speaker 3: See you? And what's the meat?
Speaker 1: Anything? Social media? Regular media thing you've been liking?
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't prepare for that. I don't enjoy things
Speaker 4: match you know that about me.
Speaker 2: You can find me on all the podcast platforms, Thebituation
Speaker 2: Room and then I'll be in Chicago August nineteenth and
Speaker 2: twentieth around the DNC at the Lincoln Lodge with Matt
Speaker 2: Leeb two nights, one podcast night, one stand up night,
Speaker 2: So go get tickets.
Speaker 4: Jessicaforanteeny dot com. And what am I enjoying? Fucking just
Speaker 4: just the memes coming out?
Speaker 1: Just the memes, fucking nothing, just the memes.
Speaker 4: About Biden resigning. And you know, Kamala Harris being dude
Speaker 4: and dude in yellow like behind the tree.
Speaker 3: Oh, rubbing mids.
Speaker 4: I'm having your hands even though it won't.
Speaker 3: Be her, that won't happen. Yeah, that's nut. Well, we
Speaker 3: can all.
Speaker 1: We can all live in our own fantasy worlds, can't we.
Speaker 1: A tweet I like is from at the ex keep
Speaker 1: x Brown that says, I keep telling y'all the man
Speaker 1: has divided the single wing into two parts and charging
Speaker 1: us more for a perceived preference, thereby dividing us as
Speaker 1: a people, all while reaping inflated profits. Because yeah, the
Speaker 1: wing used to just be one piece, and now we're
Speaker 1: flats versus drums. Look what happened to us? Look what
Speaker 1: happened to us? But it's flats all day for me.
Speaker 1: You can find me at Miles of Gray on Twitter, Instagram.
Speaker 1: You can find Jack and I on the basketball podcast.
Speaker 3: I was Jack. I'm at boostie Is.
Speaker 1: I'm also talking about ninety Day Fiance. That's my respite
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Speaker 1: find us at daily Zeitgeis on Twitter at the daily
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Speaker 1: a website, daily zeitgeist dot com post our episodes and
Speaker 1: our footnotes where you can find the song we write
Speaker 1: out on, as well as some of the things we
Speaker 1: talked about today. I just want to send us out
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Speaker 1: had a new album come out earlier this month, and
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Speaker 1: It's my mandolin rain, and I hope it will be
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Speaker 1: We're back later today with telling you what's trending out
Speaker 1: there on the internet. So until then, take care yourselves.
Speaker 3: We'll see you bye.