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Speaker 1: Where we take a deep dive into America shared confused

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Speaker 1: today by my co host, who's a fantastic comedian, journalist, activist, host,

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Speaker 1: My guest ghost Franchuck.

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Speaker 1: Please, thank you so much for joining me, Francesca. Today

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Speaker 1: No, I had wood in armor this whole time. Underrated

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Speaker 3: Right, Happy July fourth, everybody. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, clearly we didn't celebrate our independence hard enough.

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Speaker 4: One can dream.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to describe it, but it's songs

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Speaker 4: What's the setting?

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Speaker 2: I don't have we like, have we have we done

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Speaker 3: That's what it is.

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Speaker 3: Man or that's all. It was the end of the

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Speaker 4: But this, by the way, this music video is wild.

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Speaker 3: You are like fish yeah man, mand Well now I

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Speaker 3: Also, that is another thing that's underrated though too. It

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Speaker 5: So you would you say that you got on the

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Speaker 3: I absolutely did.

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Speaker 1: And uh I looked at a Michael McDonald's greatest hits

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Speaker 5: Oh so stranger he did. He did a verse on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you keep, you keep forgetting how good he is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, We're not in love anymore, ahead and things will

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Speaker 1: There we go. We've died, completed the circle. Jordan, what

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Speaker 1: Democracy, Democracy as a whole is overrated.

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Speaker 5: I think people people have been telling me this whole

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen any that every nobody's ever represented my interests.

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Speaker 5: with no, how about more to the military. So I say, no, Moss,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's embrace it for what it is. Popularity contests.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I refuse to participate any longer in the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm coming in hot today. That's right, that's what I've

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Speaker 5: Well, actually, so here's what happened.

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Speaker 3: Can I recommend you sit down and listen to some

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Speaker 4: How about them Pepper Rocks?

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Speaker 3: All right, it's my fault.

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Speaker 5: About an hour ago, my little sister texted me asking

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Speaker 6: So my stress has been high on the end the country.

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Speaker 6: That's basically just because you got to go to Midway. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: So I could die trying to get in because it

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Speaker 3: Yeah. This thing, this thing they call.

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Speaker 1: Democracy here, it's really something especially when they keep saying

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Speaker 3: I think we're having a great time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting that it is still July fourth week

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Speaker 4: At least there's more than one party.

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Speaker 2: Could we fucking get that over here, so that maybe

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Speaker 2: someone who doesn't want all money to military could represent us?

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Speaker 3: Well, they come up with some cool stuff.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think the country of Brexit is clearly

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Speaker 2: Right now, I say, would it be such a bad

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Speaker 6: Yeah, now we're talking, you're speaking my language.

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Speaker 1: So we can throw the shackles of the monarchy off

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Speaker 3: Long as it's not frage involved. Yeah right?

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Speaker 1: Oh god, Oh Nige, what about you, Dan, what's something

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Speaker 3: I always have a difficult time with overrated because you know,

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Speaker 4: To mona Lisa.

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Speaker 3: Trash. But whatever. Yeah, I think Reese's peanut butter cups

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Speaker 1: Are you a peanut butter chocolate combo advocate or you

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Speaker 1: are just generally like, man, fuck, I don't give a

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Speaker 3: You know, I definitely see where it's coming from. I

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Speaker 3: not it doesn't miss me entirely. But yeah, Reese's peanut

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Speaker 2: Is overrated, especially the original. You don't need to citrus

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Speaker 4: In a in a candy lineup. That's some bullshit. Four

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Speaker 2: But no, it's a but here's the thing about Reese's

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Speaker 2: other real popular candy is butterfinger, which I think objectively

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Speaker 1: And it gets stuck in my teeth in a way

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Speaker 1: that are seven years old everything.

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Speaker 3: It's a textural problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know,

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Speaker 3: the the other countries have much better selections of candies.

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Speaker 3: I think four cand in it. Yeah, if you want

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Speaker 4: Just what other country are you though?

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Speaker 1: You better not say England. We were just do the

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Speaker 3: What about the king makes them wonderful?

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Speaker 1: I love anything by Cadbury.

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Speaker 3: Turkish delights. No, we were just over in Canada and

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Speaker 3: like coffee crisp is just such a cool Yeah, everyone's

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Speaker 3: and how we don't have that here. Yeah, it's worth

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Speaker 2: The trade, the candy trade deficit between the US and Canada.

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Speaker 2: They got the short shrift in NAFTA.

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Speaker 4: You know, fuck that.

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Speaker 3: Put terraces on candies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bring I don't knowing it home bringing home. All right,

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Speaker 1: hears about Alex Jones again through like whatever viral clip

444
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: is blowing up, or just like the headlines and then

445
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 1: subsequent news stories from you know, the mainstream media. I'm

446
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: always like trying to figure out what exactly is happening,

447
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: because every time I see a headline, I'm like, oh, Okay,

448
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: this guy's fucked, and then he's back or it's like,

449
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: oh this guy's crying.

450
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 3: What is I thought?

451
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: But and then another time he's like, I've declared victory

452
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: over the globalists, and You're like, I thought you just

453
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: you just said they were killing you?

454
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: What is going on?

455
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 1: So right now, what I've seen in like the last

456
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: week right was the a court trustee is planning to

457
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: shut down info Wars. Then a few days ago, a

458
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: judge blocked one of the Sandy Hook families from collecting

459
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 1: a payout what is like the overall state exactly of

460
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: info Wars because I know, like now he's doing a

461
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: lot of maneuvering to avoid like sort of like the

462
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: financial fallout, and I know his dad is now involved,

463
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: but sort of help me understand sort of what the

464
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: state is exactly right now, and like if these headlines

465
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: are completely meaningless or we're just this is like a

466
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: slow process where eventually info Wars is dismantled and sold off.

467
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's very complicated, and I'll just give you a

468
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: very broad version of this, and then Jordan will yell

469
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: about it because maybe I'm certainly I'm certain he's very mad.

470
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 3: But so basically there are two sets of cases. There's

471
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: the connected cases, right, and there's the Texas plaintiffs, and

472
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 3: they have different ideas about how to approach Alex's case

473
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: now that it has been kicked out of bankruptcy the

474
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 3: federal court. That happened like what was that on the

475
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 3: fourteenth last month something like that, And so now we're

476
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: in a situation where the Texas plaintiffs went to state

477
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 3: court because he had been kicked out of bankruptcy. So

478
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: now I was able to go and try and get

479
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 3: collected on the things that he owes them, and the

480
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: federal court said, no, we're gonna do a wind down.

481
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 3: So the court blocking that was that, and then now

482
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: they're doing the trustee is a part of the attempt

483
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: to wind down the business in an orderly fashion that

484
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: they believe will create more of a pot for the

485
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: plaintiffs to split up. Right, And so I think he

486
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 3: is like screwed in some sense, Like the infra wars

487
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: is probably going to end up deteriorating through this. But

488
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: you mentioned his dad, and it's very clear that they've

489
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: set up a whole new thing that it's going to

490
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: live on after this, and he's it's gonna probably be

491
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: a situation where he's able to maneuver all this and

492
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: keep on going.

493
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like a three headed hydra with his

494
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: dad basically. And now it's like, yeah, well there's my dad.

495
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: Now.

496
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: So is the dad basically creating another company to sell

497
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: the nutraceutical like all the products and the dad is

498
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: sort of the head of it. He's like, dude, I

499
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with this, Dude, My dad is

500
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: a genius here.

501
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: All the old stuff that used to be sold, like

502
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 3: you mentioned silver bullet and uh, you know, like all

503
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 3: that stuff, it's uh, now you can buy it on

504
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: Doctor Jones Naturals, which is the business that his dad

505
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 3: owns that is totally unrelated to info Wars and their

506
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 3: old supplement business. So that's the kind of thing they've got.

507
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: So now even if info Wars as a business and

508
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: free speech systems the parent company, even if they completely collapse,

509
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: Alex could just start a podcast and then his dad

510
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: could be a sponsor and you know, hey, and it's.

511
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Speaker 2: Legal for them to move the money into the new company.

512
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: That seems like that would be stopped now, I.

513
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: Guess it is.

514
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, I mean I think it is.

515
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 5: Here's the thing, it is illegal, right, but ah, the

516
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 5: government's not gonna chase it down.

517
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: You have to.

518
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 5: You have to chase down every single fucking dollar and

519
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to pay a lawyer to do it.

520
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: And they're gonna do that.

521
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 5: And it's gonna be another hearing in six months after that,

522
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 5: and then another hearing to hear about whether or not

523
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 5: the hearing from the last hearing of bankruptcy was actually

524
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 5: the real bankruptcy or if it was a super secret

525
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 5: fake bankruptcy and we're gonna send it back to state court.

526
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: But then they take it to state court and they're.

527
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 5: Like, hey, hey, send it back to that other court

528
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 5: because that's where the bankruptcy is being done.

529
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Speaker 3: Hah.

530
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Speaker 5: I definitely didn't tell you to send it to state

531
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Speaker 5: court where you took it.

532
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no no.

533
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 5: We had a gentleman's agreement that because it was Father's Day,

534
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 5: I'm gonna relax.

535
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just speaking of Father's Day. My dad

536
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 3: is selling some pills and it's a totally separate business,

537
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: and so.

538
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: It sounds like sort of the classic example of how

539
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: if you have the means to just tie everything up

540
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: in court, you can just gumb everything up to the

541
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: point it's glacial pace and you're still out here having

542
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: the time to be like, hey, doctor Jones, no time

543
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: for love, but we got time to sell these nutraceuticals

544
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: under your name, and then basically the shell game continues.

545
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: Almost infinitely feels like it very much feels that way,

546
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 3: and if you watch his show, it really seems like

547
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: he's being very transparent about it, like in the way

548
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 3: that like just the other day he was talking about

549
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: how like, well, you know, we may shut down, and

550
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: so it's a gamble to buy products at infowards store

551
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: dot com, but you know you might not get them,

552
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: but you got a bet on us. You got a

553
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 3: bet on us. Yes, but the place that's very safe

554
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: to buy products from is doctor Do Consuls. It's like,

555
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 3: you can't be more obvious about what you're doing here, right.

556
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 4: He asked you whether you guys knew about his father

557
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 4: before he decided.

558
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: To use him to funnel money, and like whether that

559
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: origin story has something to do like his origin story

560
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: has somebody to do with his dad, like a las

561
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: like Stephen Crowder or just like yeah, your dad.

562
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this checks out.

563
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: Every fucking right winger that hasn't had an independent thought

564
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: from their dad for their approval, like what like so

565
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm curious about that.

566
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got an oxygen tank. Let's go. His dad

567
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: was the smartest boy in Texas. He was and he

568
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: built a laser or something like that. And then the

569
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: global the globalists tried to recruit him coming right out

570
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: of high school and he said no. And then he

571
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: became a dentist and the globalist tried to recruit him again,

572
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: and I guess he started working at an underground base

573
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: of the globalist at some point, and he was a

574
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: CIA dentist and he has a lot of secrets because

575
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: of this time, but we don't know what these secrets

576
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: are in the real world. His dad was a big

577
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: John Birch Society guy. Oh oh yeah, he gave John

578
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: Birch Society lectures when Alex was a kid, and like

579
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: he grew up in that kind of a household. It's

580
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: very clear that he's, like Alex has been trying to

581
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: live up to that and like all of the people

582
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: that associated with his dad and those probably like those

583
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: small groups and stuff. And yeah, his dad's been a

584
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: part of his business for a long time. I mean, okay,

585
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: so there's a PQPR as another company that his dad

586
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: and him owned, and that company was like they were

587
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: selling the supplements to Info Wars to sell and then

588
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: like paying for marketing and stuff. So there was like

589
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: this weird organizational flow that his dad and his mom

590
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: quite frankly, always have been a part of, right, so

591
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: supportive parents, so one way to look at it.

592
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm back to the specific storry because I

593
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: was reading that a judge didn't want to immediately shut

594
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: down info Wars for because it could still be making

595
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: money with which they can make sure plaintiffs are getting

596
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: their payout. But like and that there isn't an agreement

597
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: between the plaintiffs as to whether this is the best thing.

598
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: Some are like, no, we want it shut down because

599
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: fuck this propaganda outlet, and others are like, well, we

600
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: also want money. Could you explain that if you know more.

601
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: About it, probably not any better than you can based

602
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: on articles. I don't have any but.

603
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: Philosophical difference that the victims' families are having based on

604
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: how they want to be.

605
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 5: Well, here's what impracticum when it comes down to like

606
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 5: how it will play out, because I understand the way

607
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 5: that it's supposed to be if everybody's everybody's talking about

608
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 5: their filings being how everything's going to go, But those

609
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 5: filings are how everything is going to go if everything

610
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 5: goes perfectly, which things have not yet done whatsoever. So,

611
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 5: for for instance, if the Texas families wanted to collect

612
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 5: on their their fifty million dollar settlement, then they would

613
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 5: be taking control of f f FSS. They would be

614
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 5: taking all of Alex's stuff and then they could just

615
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 5: sell it and then they could give the money away,

616
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Right, that's the idea there.

617
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 5: But who are you going to sell it to? How

618
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 5: are you going to sell it to?

619
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: Whom to?

620
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: What?

621
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: What would you give it? And then how much money

622
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: is that?

623
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 5: Right now they are saying it's valued at like ten

624
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 5: million dollars, So ten million dollars, but you have to

625
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 5: subtract the fees from everything and blah blah blah blah

626
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 5: blah blah. And at the end of the day, the

627
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 5: families individuals, if you split it all equally, you're going

628
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 5: to wind up with like fifty K one hundred k max.

629
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: Maybe less.

630
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: It's so weird to like give a family, give a

631
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: victim's family, like like the weapon, you know what I mean,

632
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: Like here, here's the gun with which we killed your

633
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: family member. I mean not exactly, but you know, like

634
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 2: what would they do with the outlet other than make

635
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: money from it?

636
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 5: Like it?

637
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying?

638
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 4: Like it's sort of sick the way, Like I gotcha,

639
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: it's it is to.

640
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: Them blood money. This is an outlet that obviously promoted

641
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory about their slain children, and so it's like, yeah,

642
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: the Lemma like.

643
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, yeah, it's it is, especially like from a

644
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: thematic standpoint, it is really difficult to wrestle with that

645
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: that reality. I was involved with the Texas plaintiff's case

646
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: during the trial. I helped as an advisor during that,

647
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: like in terms of you know, bouncing things and stuff

648
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 3: about al what Alex had said and that kind of thing.

649
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: But with the bankruptcy, I've.

650
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: Waited, like you you are consulted by their like legal

651
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: counsel because this guy yeah wow.

652
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. I was in the deposition room for one

653
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: of Alex's depositions and one of his corporate representatives. I

654
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: flew out to Austin to uh to go do those

655
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: and I was happy to help with that, And but

656
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: when it comes down to the bankruptcy, I don't I

657
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: don't understand. Like with Alex and what he did and

658
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: what he said, I understand what's right. You know, it's

659
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: very clear there's differences of opinion about the bankruptcy stuff

660
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: that I can't parse, and I've tried to stay out

661
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: of as best I can. Yeah, right, lawyer ship. Yeah yeah.

662
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: Well it's just also wild because the headlines have you

663
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: think it's like oh, they're getting one point four billion.

664
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: Dollars, you know what I mean? And you're like, yeah,

665
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: they're not getting shipped.

666
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: No, Like right, I'm like, I mean, like to your point,

667
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: who is being like God, I can't wait for info

668
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: wars and free speech systems to hit the market, man,

669
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: because I am hopping in and scooping that ship right up,

670
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: Like no, yeah, I mean if you.

671
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 5: Think about like hourly, how many years has this been

672
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 5: going on? You know, how much how much do you

673
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 5: think you would get hourly? What what's your billable hours

674
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 5: in the eight years that this lawsuit's been going on,

675
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 5: for the judgment being one and a half billion, and

676
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 5: for the comparison to what you're gonna get, Like, yeah,

677
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 5: it's horrific.

678
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: It's a horrifying thing they've done to these people. And

679
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: that's that's what you were bringing up too, is like

680
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: there is a reality that is maybe unfortunate that some people.

681
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: You have to figure out what you think about it.

682
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: I guess is that probably the way that you extract

683
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: the most money is allowing Alex to stay on air

684
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: and garnish his wages in some way, right, right, and

685
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: like and that is that's exactly what you're saying, is

686
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 3: they like giving the weapon kind of metaphor and people,

687
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what the answer to that is.

688
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: It's it's a mess, right right, I.

689
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: Mean, what do you guys think having seen and studied

690
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: Alex Jones is uh? I mean, ultimately, when you zoom out,

691
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: it does feel like a win for the victims, even

692
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: if he can siphon off the money. It's like, I

693
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm I'm getting him off of YouTube was

694
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: a victory and I was just, you know, I was enthralled.

695
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys know a lot more about all

696
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: the victims specifically in Sandy Hook, but like Lenny Posner

697
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: is one of those people who I'm like fascinated by

698
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: the victims. I don't think if my kid were killed

699
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: in a mass shooting and some psycho spreading massive misinformation

700
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: that I would like make it my job to take

701
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: them down, move locations and addresses multiple times because I

702
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: was being trolled endlessly, Like for my mental health, I

703
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: would move on. And this is a guy who like

704
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: put it all aside, and I'm sure mentally is not well.

705
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: But and I know other victims families have actually committed suicide.

706
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm just curious, like it's ultimately a good story, right,

707
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 2: because he's going by.

708
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: By maybe right, yeah, what's positive or negative? Did the

709
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: universe just arc towards wows Laughter's like, no, nope, he will.

710
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: I think my immediate reaction is is kind of just

711
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: like a I don't know, I can't say, you know,

712
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: like it's a I think I think that you know,

713
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: you hear the stories about the one point four billion

714
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and you want there to be

715
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 3: like this just and what have you. And maybe it's

716
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: unsatisfying when you're looking at it from the outside. But

717
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 3: for each of the people who this is actually about,

718
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: which is you know, the victims and the families like that,

719
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: that's up to them to decide. I guess what the now,

720
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: whether there's a victory or not, it seems like there's

721
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: some sort of a victory in that, like this is

722
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: really inconvenienced him and it's definitely hurt some visibility to

723
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: do what he does, right, But he's not going to

724
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 3: be gone. That's that's probably not going to happen.

725
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's crying more. Is he crying more

726
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: or less than he normally does? Because I feel like

727
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: I always see Alex Jones cry over something, whether it's

728
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: sold the country or you know, the info war is

729
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: getting shut down. But I mean, like in those clips,

730
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: because I feel like recently the internet has really been

731
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: like dude, he's crying, it's over for him, And I'm like, ah,

732
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: I think I need a little more context here than

733
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: a guy who just you know, outwardly has these like

734
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, huge performative emotions on camera, But like, yeah,

735
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: what what sort of the context even with that, Like

736
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: is that purely to just kind of keep his audience

737
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: in like they're against us?

738
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: Moe.

739
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: I want to say.

740
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 5: I want to say that within the first one hundred episodes,

741
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 5: we openly questioned how long he was gonna be on

742
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 5: air form and that was eight years ago, Like it was,

743
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 5: it's been a regular drumbeat of like maybe this is

744
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: the time. He's not fucking maybe, you know, because you think,

745
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 5: sure everybody, you know, nobody, everybody thinks the world's gonna end,

746
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 5: but eventually it's gone a fucking end to somebody, right,

747
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 5: you know, So maybe this is the time, but he

748
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 5: just just keep going.

749
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: Also, within the first hundred episodes or so, I think

750
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: It was probably when we encountered the first time he

751
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: fake cried and.

752
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 4: You're immune to it now.

753
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, back then it was really interesting because you know,

754
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: you're watching a show that's pretending to be news and

755
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: you're seeing a guy fake crying on air and you

756
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: don't know what to think. You don't know what to think,

757
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: like is this real? Has he really hit some kind

758
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: of an emotional place? And then you just see it

759
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: enough that it kind of, eh, he's doing that again,

760
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: He's done the thing. Yeah, but I get it. It

761
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 3: travels around social media really well because it is very funny.

762
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 5: It's jarring because you're like, well, imagining what if wolf

763
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 5: Blitzer was doing Alex. You know, like he's ostensibly a

764
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 5: newsperson who's having a full breakdown, so you can compare

765
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 5: it to like what if a regular newsperson was having

766
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: a breakdown, and that would also be funny.

767
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: It's just like, you know, what if wolf s Blitzer

768
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 3: was wasted?

769
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: If I don't know, I don't consume it, so I

770
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: don't know where you actually get it. But where do

771
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: you get your info wars? Do you have to be

772
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: a paying member or is it just his site and

773
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: also has his listenership grown or shrunk since he was deplatformed.

774
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: Quick follow up, do you believe deplatforming works well?

775
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 3: To your first question? I know a guy ell, Yeah,

776
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: I get I get my Alex on the black market bootlegs. Yeah,

777
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: that's right. I get him on cassettes.

778
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like the Fern Gully soundtrack, but it's.

779
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: Actually he's just on wherever you get your podcast.

780
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: No.

781
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: No, he's got kicked off all of those things. But

782
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: he still has his own websites, right, and so I

783
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: don't want to no plug here. Yeah yeah, yeah, but

784
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 3: he has his website and I just can get stuff

785
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: from there, right, And so audience growing decreasing as a result.

786
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: I don't It's hard to tell. I think I think

787
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: it was probably shrinking. And then he's back on Twitter now,

788
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: so he's able to reach more people who may be

789
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 3: unaware of his stick and that's definitely helping. But I

790
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: still I don't think he is as big as he

791
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: was in twenty sixteen. Yeah, Like there was a there

792
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 3: was a real wave that he was riding at that point.

793
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: And I remember even like liberal people were like, dude,

794
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: this shit's kind of wild, and I'm like why are

795
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: you watching?

796
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: It's like, cause it's fun.

797
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: And then like ten percent of those people ended up

798
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: being like and that's where my news will always come from.

799
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh they got you with the

800
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: frog stuff and now you were laughing, and now you're

801
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: like you have tears in your your eyes about whatever

802
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: global threat there is.

803
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: But deplatforming, did you think it worked at least in

804
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: this case?

805
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: Or or I mean, where do you guys stand on it?

806
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 4: I don't know.

807
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 5: I mean eventually, eventually, I respect, with respect to all

808
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 5: fact checkers and smart people everywhere. Eventually the answer should

809
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 5: be look around you, do you think it worked?

810
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: Right?

811
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: He's there's more and more have spawned, you know. I

812
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: mean I personally where I come on deplatforming come down

813
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: is like absolutely, you you must and it's important. The

814
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: algorithm on YouTube feeds a bunch of other bullshit to

815
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: the same people, but it's not maybe quite doesn't touch

816
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: whatever third rail of defaming victims of mass shootings. It

817
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: was touched, even though there's tons of whatever transphobia and

818
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: violence and you know whatever.

819
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: All that kind of stuff.

820
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, that it's important to do, even if there

821
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: are now so many other Alex Jones is out there.

822
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mostly agree with that that that's sort of

823
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 3: line it does. It may not solve the whole problem,

824
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 3: but it's probably something that is worth doing.

825
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't say abortion on YouTube without being demonetized,

826
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like, I mean, and I

827
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: should know, iron one hundred dollars a month from YouTube.

828
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: You can't say abortion on YouTube.

829
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 4: No, you can't. You can't.

830
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: I mean you can't put it in a title or

831
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: like a thumbnail and probably not say it in the

832
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: first like five minutes of the video. You can talk

833
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: about it, of course, but you will get like you

834
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: will be demoted.

835
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 5: Well, then the platforming worked, absolutely, Yeah, I mean exactly

836
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: that's how that's being used.

837
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: Is definitely inconsistent, but yeah, it's I think at the

838
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: very least, when you have people like that, there has

839
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: to be at least some fear of that there's something

840
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: negative could happen to you, rather than like it actually

841
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm invincible.

842
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 3: That's actually a really good point.

843
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 5: There is absolutely no fear anything negative will happen to

844
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 5: him in all it's like and that's kind of part

845
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 5: actually going back to daddy issues for Alex is that

846
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 5: at every point in time through his personal backstory. That

847
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 5: what we can find that's true, or at least is

848
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: close enough to lore to to work right, is that

849
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 5: any time he gets into trouble before there can be

850
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 5: an actual consequence, daddy swoops in and it's taken care of,

851
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 5: and it's over and over and over again.

852
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: Or daddy swoops in is my savior moments for me?

853
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 7: Well, in the in the there's an NPR thing that

854
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 7: Ronson did where he talked about he talked to kids

855
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 7: that grew up with Alex, and Alex was like regularly

856
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 7: in scraps of the of the sort and where in

857
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 7: places would be if it got hot all of a sudden,

858
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 7: you know, it's taken care of, or they've moved to

859
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 7: a different city, or you know what I'm saying, it's

860
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 7: all it's all covered.

861
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 3: Consequence. We moved to Austin from rock Wall because Alex

862
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: either maybe was in some fights or the police wanted

863
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: to kill him. He's gotten covered a conspiracy, one of

864
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: the two, whichever war you would like to believe. Yeah, yeah,

865
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: a hit job on me.

866
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 5: He may have uncovered the police had a drug rig

867
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 5: that they were running drugs through and it was too

868
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 5: hot for him to stay in town.

869
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Any longer, or I was getting a lot of fights

870
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: at school. One of the two, Yeah, I get one

871
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: of the two. Yeah maybe, Okay, Well up to you

872
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: to decide, I guess, but I think it's pretty clear.

873
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: I just had no idea how much how much of

874
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: a figure his dad was, because I've seen people like reference.

875
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: The dad too.

876
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: But now as I'm like seeing how this is all

877
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: coming together with like his business and just you know,

878
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: in this conversation, I'm like Jesus Christ, it's alms.

879
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 3: He's he's a very mysterious figure, even to me, you know,

880
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: like someone who spent as much time with this stuff,

881
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: like he uh, you know, pieces of information from you

882
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: know where you can find it. You hear Alex's version

883
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: of it, which is like really hero worshiping his dad.

884
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: And then there was one short deposition that he accidentally

885
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: gave at the beginning of the Sandy Hook trial that

886
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: is really kind of interesting, but only in as much

887
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: as it it's like it doesn't really tell you all

888
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 3: that much. But he's a Yeah, he's a weird figure.

889
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: He's I think he's more deeply entwined in Alex's career

890
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: than most people realize.

891
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: I think he's kaiser. I think that's where we're at.

892
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: I think that's the best corollary for what David Jones

893
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: is is kaiser.

894
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: So say, behind all these when Alex was memorializing David Bowie,

895
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: he was like David Bowie's dad, David Jones, not my dad,

896
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: the other one or something like all that. Oh boy,

897
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: we always assumed it it was mister Jones. I thought

898
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: was your brother man, because you're so cool?

899
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that the.

900
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: Trials could have gone different because of but his dumb

901
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 2: ass behavior, which reminds me of like again Trump's behavior

902
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: of like, you know, what was it where he like

903
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: had an image of the judge with like devil horns

904
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 2: on and was openly talking shit about her, Like could

905
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: this have gone another way for him if he had

906
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: just like not pretent, not been like an elitist ahole

907
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: who like thought he could get away with anything.

908
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 4: Maybe not, I mean, maybe it was always gonna be.

909
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 3: How about how about this?

910
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 5: Like, because I understand your question, and I think I

911
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 5: think your question ultimately boils down to if he had

912
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 5: made different choices, would things to have turned out a

913
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 5: different way, yes, And I think I think the answer

914
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 5: to that is is twofold. Like, first, obviously if he

915
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 5: made different choices, things would have turned out different. But second,

916
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 5: the better question is could he make different choices physically

917
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 5: in this university? Yeah capable, And the answer to that

918
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 5: is no. This is not about he And that's why

919
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 5: he's That's why the system can't function with him is

920
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 5: because ultimately.

921
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: The idea is like you have to agree to be

922
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 3: compelled to do something.

923
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 5: Sure, you know you were saying that you owe us

924
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 5: a billion dollars, but eventually you have to like give

925
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 5: me the money, right you have to, you have to

926
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 5: give it to me. And if he just goes no

927
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 5: long enough, then eventually you get to the point where

928
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 5: it's like either you go take it physically from him

929
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 5: or you quit.

930
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 3: And then there's a standoff or something.

931
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: And he's betting there definitely will be a standoff.

932
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: I think you guys, I mean, he's just betting that

933
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: you're going to question of would knowledge fight stop because

934
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: clearly it's not going to stop, because he would do

935
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: a standoff.

936
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: I would hope, I mean I don't hope, but it

937
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 3: turns out the right wing tradition that he comes from.

938
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 3: It seems like they love a standoff, and I feel

939
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: like if he didn't, it would be very off brand.

940
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

941
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it you said?

942
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 5: You was you you lived long enough to or no,

943
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 5: you die Bill Cooper, you live long enough to see

944
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 5: yourself become Alex Joes something along. I was.

945
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 3: Ranch.

946
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because Bill Cooper died in a shootout with

947
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 5: Yes the way, the way You're supposed.

948
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 4: To go, the Bundy Ranch. They kind of won.

949
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: It was like.

950
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: Yep, I'd say, So, everyone seems like they're doing all right.

951
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come

952
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: back and talk about some of the current events that

953
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: Alex has been talking about after this and we're back,

954
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously the first presidential debate has gotten

955
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion.

956
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: Many people or like the shows.

957
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: That should be someone else and other people like, we

958
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: fucking told you this whole fucking time.

959
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: What the fuck's wrong with you?

960
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm very curious how is Alex Jones discussing sort of

961
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: this current election, and you know, especially as it relates

962
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: to the debate recently, I'm I'm curious if you had anything,

963
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, Alex jonesy in to say about it, or

964
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: he was just sort of like, this is what happens

965
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: when you don't take nutraceuticals and just turn it into.

966
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 3: An ad Well. Uh, he was predicting that maybe there

967
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: would be a murder at the debate, so that was fun.

968
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: I wish there was the possibility of Trump being assassinated

969
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: because the globalists hate him, but then maybe they would

970
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 3: kill Biden because that would make the Democrats look like victims,

971
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 3: and then it would solve the problem that Biden's a

972
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 3: bad candidate, and then they beat Trump. So there was

973
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: a lot of fun going on beforehand, but then when

974
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 3: it wasn't really all that exciting, he was just I

975
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: don't know, He's like this, this is a problem with

976
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: a two party system. You're like, wait, what the middle

977
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: take now?

978
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: No.

979
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 5: I think it's interesting because everybody in the real world's

980
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 5: reaction was like, ah, Biden didn't perform well, and so

981
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 5: you would imagine like Alex would be like, ha ha,

982
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 5: we're you going to take a victory lap, but you're

983
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 5: mistaking reality again.

984
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: In their world, it was just really boring. It was

985
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: just boring.

986
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 5: Nobody got into a fight. Yeah, no, murder, yeah, the

987
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 5: mask fell off. Yeah, yeah, there was supposed to be something.

988
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 5: There's supposed to be fireworks or something. It was just

989
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 5: two old men shit talking about golf. So then does

990
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 5: he just do the thing where like a lot of

991
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 5: conspiracy theoristies have to kick the can down the road.

992
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 5: It's like, well, maybe I was wrong about that one,

993
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 5: but this this next thing, you know, probably gonna happen.

994
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 5: Then oh no, He's just kind of like whatever that

995
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 5: was boring.

996
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: Well, one of the hallmarks of Alex's behavior is they

997
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: he'll make those predictions like there's gonna be a murder

998
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: at the debate, and then just when it doesn't happen.

999
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 3: I didn't say that was gonna happen. I was just

1000
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: I just said maybe it would happen. I was just

1001
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: we were just looking at it from all sides. So

1002
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 3: there's no responsibility for any of that stuff, and he

1003
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 3: could just move forward right right.

1004
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: But I do think that the eclipse was was the

1005
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: moment that they swapped Biden's body importing because he was

1006
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: basically like, the deep State is going to use the

1007
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: eclipse to pull I forgot exactly what it was. Maybe

1008
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: you guys remember, but also it might be just one

1009
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: of them, any eclipses, every eclipse.

1010
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: Actually, right, there's there were a lot of things going

1011
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: on with the eclipse, but it was it was mostly

1012
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: about preparing martial law drills, yes, yes, in order to

1013
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: implement a prison state across the United States, right, which definitely.

1014
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 4: Happened, Like we already have a prison state, my guy,

1015
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 4: Like I see people.

1016
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was mostly just about increased traffic cops and

1017
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: stuff like that for tourism. But but that was martial

1018
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 3: law drills, yeah, exactly exactly.

1019
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: And like in terms of what's does he have any

1020
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: like sort of overarching themes about this election, like in

1021
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: terms of what the stakes are or what like what

1022
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: is meant to happen because it's going to open X

1023
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: Y or Z door.

1024
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's an interesting question. What is I mean,

1025
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 5: you know, what are the stakes? The stakes are always

1026
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 5: it's God versus the devil. Yo, this is I mean,

1027
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 5: the election is the election. But this is in the

1028
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 5: fight of all fights, right, is the beginning and the

1029
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 5: ending of Alpha Nomega.

1030
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: You know, this is just another battle. Jordan, You're touching

1031
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: on something I think that is really important and I

1032
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: think a lot of people don't recognize that, like Alex

1033
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 3: is not political, like there's stuff that like really does

1034
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: impact political realities. But he thinks that God gives him

1035
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 3: visions of the future and that he's fighting literal demons

1036
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: and that all of the people who are on the

1037
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: left and who disagree with him are possessed by these

1038
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: demons and all of this stuff. There's a spiritual warfare

1039
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 3: that is not metaphorical that Alex believes he's a crusader in.

1040
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so it's kind of admirable.

1041
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, I respect that more than like artisan hackery,

1042
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: you know, where you're like at least you're unique versus like, oh,

1043
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: bidden totally fucked that debate up is that he's just like, nah,

1044
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: the lizard demons are still getting like I don't know,

1045
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: it's at least there's a lane like your lots of

1046
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: it's like trying to cover it every week.

1047
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, I mean, but then that's my But then

1048
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: I also, as you'd say, like he's unable, like he's

1049
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: compelled to say these these things. But then in court

1050
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm a performance artist. Well right, you know,

1051
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: like lawyer said that, yeah, well we're so where do

1052
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: you guys, like, where do you guys land in terms

1053
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: of what his actual intent is and what is how

1054
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: he's taking in the world, Like it's fully just like

1055
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: this is this is legit to him? Or it's half like,

1056
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: I mean, this seems like it's working, so I guess

1057
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: I'll just keep doing it. Kind of a thing could

1058
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: be both, Yeah, could be a mix. Who knows where

1059
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: compulsion meets craft, Right, it's somewhere in there.

1060
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: What do you think.

1061
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 5: I'm of the opinion that in twenty twenty four, intent

1062
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 5: should no longer matter for any of us. You know, Like,

1063
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 5: I understand a lot of people have intended to do

1064
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 5: a lot of shit, but now they what's done is done,

1065
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 5: and people need to be held accountable for it.

1066
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: So I really don't care what anybody intends.

1067
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, the what's in Alex Jones's heart is a weird one.

1068
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: Like what does he mean? I don't care. Here's what

1069
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: he's done. Let's do the thing to that.

1070
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 5: Let's react appropriately to the thing that instead of reacting

1071
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 5: to the thing that that person wished.

1072
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: What happened, Yeah, it's the thing that I come back

1073
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: to a bit. Is like Alex constantly on air has

1074
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 3: said that he's murdered multiple people, like watched them die,

1075
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 3: Like he said, said he's stop people's goods out. Yeah,

1076
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: when they bled to death in front of him, he

1077
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: said stuff like that. Yeah. And then under oath he

1078
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 3: was asked about that and he said he's never murdered anybody,

1079
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 3: never killed anybody. But like there's a you see someone

1080
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 3: grotesquely describe having committed murder, and you have to ask yourself, like, Okay,

1081
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 3: you either believe that you did this or you want

1082
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: the audience to believe this about you, and it's not true,

1083
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 3: and either way the impact is really fucked up. Sure,

1084
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: so that's really where the reality is. You know, whether

1085
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 3: he knows what he's doing is just all false or whatever,

1086
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: it still impacts the real world in a way that matters.

1087
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and like I guess how I felt like

1088
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: for a while, there was like this idea of sort

1089
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: of a lot of the stuff that Alex would have,

1090
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: like say on his show or the people he would

1091
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: have on was sort of like a beginning entry point

1092
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: into like the conservative misinfo taka sphere kind of thing

1093
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Speaker 1: and then could get mainstreamed. Is he is that influence

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00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: like waning by any like any measurable way, or he's

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Speaker 1: just kind of still just sort of this like sideshow

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00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: figure that occasionally has these takes that like end up

1097
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: intersecting and being beneficial to like conservative causes and things

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 3: Well you know how you said like one out of

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00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: one hundred or people were watching and laughing and then

1101
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 3: they're like, oh no, you're crying now, yeah, right right,

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Speaker 3: that's the purpose that Alex serves, you know, Like that's

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00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: the he can crack through to people and get them

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00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: to start listening to narratives and ship that they don't

1105
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 3: really realize is as bad as it is. And then oh,

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00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: what do you know, we have some Nazi show up

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00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: on the show, who I'm pretending is just kind of

1108
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 3: a cool dude, right, you know, and oh, maybe you'll

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00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: start listening to that. It's a gradual path that Alex

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00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: serves as an entry point with that. In terms of

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00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: like the information stuff, I think there's so many people

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Speaker 3: now that he is not nearly as important for them.

1113
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 3: He's more of a follower than a leader and that stuff.

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00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: I think than he was let's say, early two thousands.

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00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 5: He's like a legacy now, you know, he's still given

1116
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 5: a lot of he's still given a lot of shrift,

1117
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 5: but in reality he can take him to leave.

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Speaker 3: Him, bring him out to like do a speech a

1119
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: turning point, not because he's gonna have some great ideas,

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Speaker 3: but because he's gonna be like catchphrases.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you know what he did for the brand,

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00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: love we love your work man, we love what you did.

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Speaker 3: We love what you did.

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Speaker 1: So I guess, from your perspective, what's the best and

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00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: worst case scenarios for what Alex is next couple of

1127
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: years ago is from the just watching the waves and

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Speaker 1: undulations of info wars for whom I would say, for

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Speaker 1: us as people who are having to live in a

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Speaker 1: world that is affected by his existence.

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Speaker 5: Best case scenario with the parameters that we have, as

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00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 5: in like things that are feasibly.

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Speaker 1: Possible legally and otherwise. Yeah, oh, I can't answer that one.

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Speaker 3: I think worst case scenario is you live near Alex

1135
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 3: and he eats you, because you know he's threatened to

1136
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 3: do that so that he will barbecue your ass. Yeah

1137
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 3: if he yeah, if he loses all of his money

1138
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 3: and he has to resort to eating human flesh.

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00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they'll sell it on what Dr Jones dot com.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I've got a best case scenario. Here's the

1141
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 5: best case scenario. All right, we organ as a party

1142
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 5: and we just start digging on all of his property,

1143
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 5: and I guarantee we'll find more money than.

1144
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 4: Right now got burying gold energy.

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00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's our that's our best case scenario. We all

1146
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 5: organize shovel parties and that we moved from there, and

1147
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 5: then what you keep what you find basically, or do

1148
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 5: we all pitch it? I think we I think we

1149
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 5: obviously donated to I mean it's it's inappropriate respect.

1150
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 3: You might get a finder's feet Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1151
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 5: Anybody, anybody who pockets the gold is going right back

1152
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 5: and half.

1153
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: Right exactly until the Supreme Court overturns Finders v.

1154
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 3: Keepers. Uh, we were back to square one.

1155
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Speaker 1: Well, guys, Dan Jordan, thank you so much for joining

1156
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: us on the Daily Zeitgeist.

1157
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: Where can people find you? Follow you, support you, all

1158
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 3: that kind of good stuff websites just knowledge fight dot

1159
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 3: com perfect perfect, Thanks for having us, Oh no, thank you,

1160
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: of course.

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00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: It's always great to have people on to talk about

1162
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: just like the wacky shit that's happening, especially like again

1163
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: for the depth of your knowledge, it's uh, it's impressive

1164
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: and helps so much because like you're saying, like half

1165
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: the time I'm asking a question, it's like you're kind

1166
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: of not make gidding it with what Alex Jones is

1167
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: because I think so much of what we experience as

1168
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: a sort of being, like, look at this creature that

1169
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: screams from the corners and that's weird, versus understanding that

1170
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: his whole thing is like I'm offering people perspective that's

1171
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: completely devoid of reality, which allows all these other ideas

1172
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: to take a foothold, and then I've created some kind

1173
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: of day walker who.

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Speaker 2: Can I think that's really apps because like Miles and

1175
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: I are like coming in with real specific questions.

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00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: It's like he is what he is, you know, and.

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00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: There's no real logic to it. I have just really

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Speaker 2: rapid fire a couple questions before you guys go, which

1179
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: is sure, does he smell like he looks and is

1180
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: his voice like an Elizabeth Holmes situation where it's like.

1181
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 3: Paras hltan like he colde switching. Yeah, First question is

1182
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: how do you think he spells? How do you think

1183
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: he looks like he smells.

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00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: He smells, he looks like he smells like yeah, like

1185
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: like just backed balls, like just like just uh but worse,

1186
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: you know, like after a hot day, you you're you're

1187
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: It's like our four of leaning over the July fourth barbecue,

1188
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: didn't take a shower yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a combo of like dried sweat, cigarette smoke,

1191
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: and like faint cologne that isn't quite strong enough and

1192
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: so it comes together in this like terrible. Yeah.

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00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,479
Speaker 4: But I don't know he I mean I don't didn't

1194
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 4: try to smell.

1195
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 3: I was near him, and I don't remember him smelling that.

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01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 3: It was in the deposition room, and I don't remember it.

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01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: You could know, No, Unfortunately, I can't say a fly

1198
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 3: landed on him or the stink lines and everything. I

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Speaker 3: think it was just kind of like a cologne ish

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Speaker 3: okay type of smell. Okay, what was your second one? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Whether the voice is a put on, I mean it

1202
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 4: is obviously played up.

1203
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: I think he just smoked a lot. Yeah, Okay, I

1204
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: think some of it is a put on.

1205
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 5: In the early day, he was doing a rush. He

1206
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 5: was doing straight rush Limbaugh, and it was a full

1207
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 5: on affected. Yeah yeah, yeah, and I think over time

1208
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 5: he's just smoked a lot and life sucks like it's

1209
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 5: just you know, it's just all awful for it does

1210
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 5: what he does to his body. So now it's probably

1211
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 5: more realistic than you know, what's what's the mask and

1212
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 5: what's the human beneath that?

1213
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, there's a there is a difference if you

1215
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 3: watch him in like a deposition setting, there's a difference

1216
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: from him like performing high energy on stage, but it

1217
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 3: does still feel like the same type of voice. I'll believe.

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01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 3: If there's any sincerity, it's that it sounds like sounds

1219
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 3: like that. Ye yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Oh man.

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Speaker 1: And also, guys, is there any work of media, social, visual,

1221
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: anything that you've been enjoying, something that.

1222
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 3: Put a smile on your face?

1223
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 5: Hmm?

1224
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: Whenever I whenever I need a respite, I'll go to

1225
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 3: the Hay Randy podcast. I love Tim Baltz's Hey Randy podcast. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jordan,

1226
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: what about you?

1227
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Speaker 5: Oh I think, guy, Well, every night my wife and

1228
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 5: I now watch an episode of task Master just before

1229
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 5: we go to bed.

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Speaker 3: Just watch it and go to sleep. Because I am

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01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 3: eighty five years old and I love it. I love it.

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01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: You gotta love a panel show from the UK, right, God,

1233
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: I love one of those. Francesca, thank you so much

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: for joining me today guest hosting. Where do people find you?

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01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 3: See you? And what's the meat?

1236
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: Anything? Social media? Regular media thing you've been liking?

1237
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't prepare for that. I don't enjoy things

1238
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 4: match you know that about me.

1239
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: You can find me on all the podcast platforms, Thebituation

1240
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: Room and then I'll be in Chicago August nineteenth and

1241
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: twentieth around the DNC at the Lincoln Lodge with Matt

1242
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: Leeb two nights, one podcast night, one stand up night,

1243
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: So go get tickets.

1244
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 4: Jessicaforanteeny dot com. And what am I enjoying? Fucking just

1245
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 4: just the memes coming out?

1246
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: Just the memes, fucking nothing, just the memes.

1247
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,959
Speaker 4: About Biden resigning. And you know, Kamala Harris being dude

1248
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 4: and dude in yellow like behind the tree.

1249
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 3: Oh, rubbing mids.

1250
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 4: I'm having your hands even though it won't.

1251
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 3: Be her, that won't happen. Yeah, that's nut. Well, we

1252
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 3: can all.

1253
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: We can all live in our own fantasy worlds, can't we.

1254
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: A tweet I like is from at the ex keep

1255
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: x Brown that says, I keep telling y'all the man

1256
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: has divided the single wing into two parts and charging

1257
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: us more for a perceived preference, thereby dividing us as

1258
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: a people, all while reaping inflated profits. Because yeah, the

1259
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: wing used to just be one piece, and now we're

1260
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: flats versus drums. Look what happened to us? Look what

1261
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: happened to us? But it's flats all day for me.

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01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: You can find me at Miles of Gray on Twitter, Instagram.

1263
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: You can find Jack and I on the basketball podcast.

1264
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: I was Jack. I'm at boostie Is.

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01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm also talking about ninety Day Fiance. That's my respite

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01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: on the other show for twenty Day Fiance. You can

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Speaker 1: find us at daily Zeitgeis on Twitter at the daily

1268
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: zey Caase on Instagram. We got a Facebook fan page,

1269
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: a website, daily zeitgeist dot com post our episodes and

1270
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: our footnotes where you can find the song we write

1271
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: out on, as well as some of the things we

1272
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Speaker 1: talked about today. I just want to send us out

1273
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: on a song from one of my favorite producers, Kate Trenada,

1274
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: had a new album come out earlier this month, and

1275
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: this track is called Dance Dance, Dance, Dance and a

1276
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Speaker 1: good It's just like some good, good soul, you know,

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01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: soothing music. It's energetic, you can nod your head to it,

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01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: and it's exactly what I would say. Yes, absolutely philosophical

1279
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: twins here, at least for the vibes that it gives you.

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01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: It's my mandolin rain, and I hope it will be

1281
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: yours too. All Right, we will talk to y'all later.

1282
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: We're back later today with telling you what's trending out

1283
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: there on the internet. So until then, take care yourselves.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you bye.