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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Oh My, got some big stuff to get into.

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Speaker 1: First step here the Trump administration.

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Speaker 3: The President is threatening to pull out of NATO's going

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Speaker 3: It could be giving.

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Speaker 1: A speech tonight at nine o'clock addressing the nation about

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Speaker 1: this whole situation in Iran. And I am sure, I

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Speaker 1: think everyone, I'm sure he is going to have some

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Speaker 1: very tough words for our NATO allies. And we shall

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Speaker 1: give you some of those details of where that all

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Speaker 1: stands updates, of course, on the ongoing Iran air war.

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Speaker 1: It's really what this is, so we'll discuss that with

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Speaker 1: you in detail. But Clay and I both spent the

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Speaker 1: morning drinking our Crocket coffee.

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Speaker 2: It's accurate. There you go.

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Speaker 1: It's important to add the Crocket coffee. It's April fools.

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Speaker 1: People could be like, holy cal what.

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Speaker 2: Are we stepping into today.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting hit with crazy producer, a totally with a

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Speaker 3: haymaker me. First thing this morning, I wake up and

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Speaker 3: she says that she found a box of puppies and

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Speaker 3: can we help people adopt them?

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Speaker 1: And she knows I'm like, oh, you've found puppies go.

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Speaker 1: I'll hello, I'm all excited about her. I'm like, let's

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Speaker 1: find people to adopt the puppies. She unked me. She

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Speaker 1: unked me big time. I knew, so this is you

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Speaker 1: have not heard the update on this. So I immediately thought, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is I bought that producer ally could have a

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Speaker 1: box of puppies. And my first thought was we'll just

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Speaker 1: give them away to listeners and there will be it'll

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Speaker 1: be kind of a fun, nice thing to do. And

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Speaker 1: then I love how you saw it as a brand

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Speaker 1: opo right away. Yeah, immediately immediately I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's give the puppies away to listeners. That'll

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Speaker 1: be a happy thing, because it's not always happy talk

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Speaker 1: on this on the show. And then she said she

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Speaker 1: was bringing him to the studio and I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is April fool. So it was that part that

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Speaker 1: I was like, and by the way, this is the

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Speaker 1: part you don't know yet, Buck, and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: all the serious stuff. Producer, I think it was producer

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Speaker 1: Mike has a grandson. He told his wife has been

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Speaker 1: begging for a puppy. This is what Ali has created.

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Speaker 1: Told his wife that he was going to bring a

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Speaker 1: puppy home for the seven year old, and now the

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Speaker 1: seven year old is crushed because there isn't actually a

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Speaker 1: puppy because producer Ali tried to pull an April Fool's joke.

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Speaker 1: And now there's a crushed seven year old in New

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Speaker 1: York who was expected a puppy. So, so your April

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Speaker 1: Fools jokes. I saw your tweet. It is true. You

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Speaker 1: got God already. So many people are getting got Ai

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Speaker 1: and plus a lot of credulous people. There is just

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Speaker 1: April Fools is on steroids. Now you basically can't believe

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Speaker 1: anything almost you hear all day.

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Speaker 3: Now, this is not an April Fools So we can

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Speaker 3: get back into this now. I'm giving you We're in

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Speaker 3: an April Fools free session for a moment here, because

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Speaker 3: as we're drinking our crack of coffee this morning, we're

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Speaker 3: listening to the Supreme Court oral arguments on this birthright

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Speaker 3: citizenship case, and Clay, there's a lot going on here.

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Speaker 3: To me, I know you listened. I was listening.

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Speaker 1: Here is the least The crux of the argument for

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Speaker 1: me was put out by US listener General John Sawyer

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Speaker 1: and responded to by John Roberts. This is a little

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Speaker 1: less than a minute long, but I want you to

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Speaker 1: hear this was just argued, you know, in the last

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Speaker 1: hour or so earlier this morning Supreme Court play cut one.

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Speaker 4: The media reports indicate estimates could be over a million

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Speaker 4: or one point five million from the People's Republic of

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Speaker 4: China alone. The congressional report that we signed in our

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Speaker 4: brief talks about certain hotspots like Russian elites coming to

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Speaker 4: Miami through these birth tourism companies. And here's the facts

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Speaker 4: about it that I think is striking. Media reported as

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Speaker 4: early as twenty fifteen that based on Chinese media reports,

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Speaker 4: there are five hundred five hundred birth tourism companies in

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Speaker 4: the People's Republic of China. Who's what business is to

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Speaker 4: bring people here to give birth and return to that nation.

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Speaker 3: And Chief Justice John Roberts responded that it's a new world,

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Speaker 3: but it's the same constitution. And you say to yourself, okay,

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Speaker 3: hold on a second, so Clay, this listener general lays

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Speaker 3: out here that there are eight billion people in the world,

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Speaker 3: and it's really easy to come to America, and there

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Speaker 3: is a systematic scamming of American citizenship that is going

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Speaker 3: We're not even talking about anchor babies coming across the

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Speaker 3: You grow up in Beijing for eighteen years, you apply

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Speaker 3: to UCLA when you're an adult, You're not just getting

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Speaker 3: me and every American listening right now. I just think

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Speaker 3: that's an untenable position. But that may be where the

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Speaker 1: I got so many thoughts on this, and I cranked

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Speaker 1: up the television and I just tweeted some of them

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Speaker 1: out if you want to go read it. But obviously,

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Speaker 1: to me, let's start with the guy's voice. He cannot

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Speaker 1: be the Solicitor General. And look, I'm saying this as

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Speaker 1: a lawyer. He may be a brilliant legal mind. As

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Speaker 1: I watched this argument play out, Buck and you just

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Speaker 1: heard it a little bit. The number one job of

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Speaker 1: His voice is awful, and so much of you know this,

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Speaker 1: but I think this is important so much because you

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Speaker 1: don't have cameras in the courtroom. Almost all of this

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Speaker 1: marketplace of ideas. There's going to be a bunch of clips.

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Speaker 2: All of the.

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Speaker 1: Justices were crisp, articulate. You may not agree with them,

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Speaker 1: but their voices sounded and were completely intelligible. This guy,

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Speaker 1: the US Solicitor General Sour Is it sour or Sawyer?

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it's pronounced saueer?

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Speaker 3: I mean it was sig Sour would be the gun company.

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Speaker 3: So I'd say Sour is a good choice.

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Speaker 1: That you couldn't understand him at all. And I think this,

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Speaker 1: given that President Trump is elite when it comes to communication,

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Speaker 1: I'm stunned that this guy is the advocate for this policy.

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Speaker 1: Now that is on the pure optics, the way that

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Speaker 1: the argument gets out the law basically, here Buck, what

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Speaker 1: they're debating is what did congressmen and women in eighteen

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Speaker 1: fifty years intend when it came to addressing citizenship in

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Speaker 1: the Fourteenth Amendment for a situation that they never could

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Speaker 1: have conceived of in a modern day birth tourism. All

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Speaker 1: of these different things. I think I want all of

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Speaker 1: Court is going to say President Trump doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: the Fourteenth Amendment unfortunately, Buck, I think this is going

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Speaker 1: to enshrine birthright citizenship as a constitutional right to And again,

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Speaker 1: there's two different types. There's birth, there's citizenship by your parents,

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Speaker 1: and there's by soil. What is the issue here is

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Speaker 1: by soil. In other words, if you cross over the

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Speaker 1: kid is just as American as anybody out there who's

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Speaker 1: been in this country for hundreds of years and has

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Speaker 1: is actually going to make birthright citizenship worse because now

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Speaker 1: all those five hundred companies that sour was citing are

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Speaker 1: going to say, the US Supreme Court has said this

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Speaker 1: is the law and the land get into the United

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Speaker 1: States by any means possible. Pregnant women have a baby there,

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Speaker 1: your kids are citizens just like you in me for

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Speaker 1: the rest of their life. Here's the ultimate indictment, though, Buck,

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Speaker 1: and this is a lot of people are not going

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Speaker 1: to focus on this. Congress can't fix it. Everybody's gonna

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Speaker 1: blame the Supreme Court. They're trying to apply an eighteen

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Speaker 1: President Trump. That is novel. President Trump is trying to

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Speaker 2: Well, that won't. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: They choose not to write. I mean, they clearly have

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Speaker 3: the power to. They could even do a constitutional amendment

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Speaker 3: if they wanted to, but they don't because Democrats ultimately

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Speaker 3: is an article of faith in the Democrat Party that

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Speaker 3: the birth tourism baby born here. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: it's conspiracy to lie on your visa. It's conspiracy to lie. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you're interacting with customs and Border patrol

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Speaker 3: about your purpose of your visit. I mean, there's all

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Speaker 3: kinds of legal issues with that too. But then you

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Speaker 3: return to China. And this is the perfect example is

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Speaker 3: because it is happening. We know it's happening at scale.

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Speaker 3: It's a business. It is a business to scam American

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Speaker 3: citizenship right now. People go to prison for it. It's

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Speaker 3: a crime. So this is actually happening, and what the

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Speaker 3: Democrat Party believes and you cannot deviate from this is yes,

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Speaker 3: the person who was born here, who then is going,

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Speaker 3: who goes back to China and as part of a

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Speaker 3: conspiracy to defraud the American government, is as American as

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Speaker 3: apple pie, as American as anybody else, and gets all

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Speaker 1: You know, you want us to die for this place.

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Speaker 1: It has to be. You want us to be willing

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Speaker 1: be more than a welfare state, a soup kitchen and

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Speaker 1: an economic zone. And they're they're really toying with making

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Speaker 1: a lot of us just say, I'm sorry, what is

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Speaker 2: Again, what is it to be an American? Is it

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Speaker 1: It's just a piece of paper that we can give

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Speaker 2: They will have eroded sovereignty the point of no return.

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Speaker 1: And again, there probably are going to be some people

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Speaker 1: not going to happen. I would love to be wrong

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Speaker 1: and in June, if this decision comes down, or whenever

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Speaker 1: of the most transformative decisions the Supreme Court's ever made.

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Speaker 1: This is the right decision. But I think they're not

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Speaker 1: going to try. And again, the history nerded me love

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Speaker 1: that they're analyzing debates from eighteen sixty eight to try

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Speaker 1: to determine what the law was and is as it

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Speaker 1: pertains the citizenship. What I would say is an immutable

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Speaker 1: fact is if you could go back in time to

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Speaker 1: say to every member of Congress in eighteen sixty eight, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: by twenty twenty six, they're going to be debating what

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Speaker 1: you guys intend for people who hop on airplanes or

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Speaker 1: people who illegally come into this country and have a

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Speaker 1: baby and then go back to live in other countries.

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Speaker 1: Whether those people are American citizens or not. They would

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Speaker 1: have unanimously said, of course they aren't.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: This is also why subject to the jurisdiction thereof is

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Speaker 3: so important, and there was a lot of debate and

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Speaker 3: a lot of back and forth about this specifically, so

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Speaker 3: and I'm just going to say this, this is why

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Speaker 3: we should not have dual citizenship in this country. For

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Speaker 3: any country, you can be an American citizen and that

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Speaker 3: is it. And when you look at why we have

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Speaker 1: You boil this down to whether being an American has

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Speaker 1: Now we'll open up phone lines also talkbacks, maybe the

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Speaker 1: a lot of the oral arguments this morning, Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about this birthright citizenship in case Trump administration

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Speaker 4: Based on Chinese media reports there are five hundred five

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Speaker 4: Who's what business is to bring people here to give

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Speaker 4: I think it's id quote what Justice Clia said in

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Speaker 3: Anyone can come here, have a baby, leave as American

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Speaker 2: Can have can you hear me? Now?

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Speaker 3: Now we can yeah, everyonce they were on baited breath

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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about sleeper cells, right, the entire

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Speaker 1: If those numbers are right, If there are a million

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Speaker 1: and we're going to take over the United States by

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Speaker 1: virtue of our ability to take advantage of birthright citizenship. Now,

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Speaker 1: some of you might say that's crazy. Some of you

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Speaker 1: might say, oh, that's outland. If somebody's gonna clip it

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna be look at what they're talking about

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Speaker 1: a conservative rate. We have created a situation where millions

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Speaker 1: of people that are not American right, never raised here,

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Speaker 1: have no connection whatsoever to the country, are able to

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Speaker 1: come here and potentially take over some of our states,

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Speaker 1: some of our elections. And we're also creating a situation

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Speaker 1: where all those people could run for president China could

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Speaker 1: send you're talking about a Manchurian candidate situation. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about people the way is in

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Speaker 1: the book Manufacturing Delusion, the whole notion of how you

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Speaker 1: could brainwash people. Do you know about this place in

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Speaker 1: a really interesting period of history. The turncoats Americans who

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Speaker 1: were taken prisoner during the Korean War, and there were

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Speaker 1: a number of them, not many, but a number of

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Speaker 1: them who wanted to stay in China even after there

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Speaker 1: was a prisoner swap that was supposed to happen. And this,

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Speaker 1: by the way, led to Comden's book The Manchurian Candidate.

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Speaker 1: This whole thing because these guys had been put through

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Speaker 1: thought reform camps and then they did these public pronouncements

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Speaker 1: of how America was using chemical weapons or I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: biological weapons and doing these terrible things that were total lies.

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Speaker 1: They were used as they were willingly used as propaganda piece.

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Speaker 1: It's a big deal. Well this was, i mean one

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Speaker 1: of the great television shows out there was Homeland, right,

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Speaker 1: and there was a modern version of that. This guy's

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Speaker 1: taken prisoner by Muslim terrorists and then he converts Islam,

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Speaker 1: and then the question is is he loyal to America?

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Speaker 1: Former American soldier. It's a great show, particularly season one

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Speaker 1: if you're you know, that's been out for fifteen years

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Speaker 1: or whatever, the hecku of twenty years now and phenomenal show.

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Speaker 1: But buck think about that. We can't elect Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: president of the United States. Elon Musk, we just said

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Speaker 1: space Exico and public. Brilliant guy, great capitalists born in

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Speaker 1: South Africa. I think Elon, many of you would say,

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Speaker 1: has embraced many of the excellent natures of America. He

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Speaker 1: is now an American citizen, but by virtue of him

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Speaker 1: not having been born on the soil here, he is

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Speaker 1: ineligible to ever be president of the United States. There

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Speaker 1: are millions of Chinese kids, millions of them that have

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Speaker 1: never spent more than a day or two in the

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Speaker 1: United States, who are eligible to be elected president of

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Speaker 1: the United States because they happen to be born here.

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Speaker 1: And on top of that buck they're also coming back

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Speaker 1: and taking tons of American college spots. They're applying as

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Speaker 1: American citizens to American universities, and they have virtually no

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Speaker 1: connection at all. We are being exploited, We're being taken

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Speaker 1: advantage of. Now again, people are going to blame the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court for the way that they interpret the fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 1: What I would say is this is why we have

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Speaker 1: a Congress. President Trump is trying to do what the

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Speaker 1: most that he can to fix this. He put the

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Speaker 1: executive order in place. He recognizes the issue, he's trying

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Speaker 1: to address it, and he's trying to fix it. But

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Speaker 1: I think the Supreme Court is going to say he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the authority to override what they believe is

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Speaker 1: the interpretation historically of the fourteenth Amendment. Also important buck

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Speaker 1: this is only prospective. It doesn't deal with anything. All

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Speaker 1: the people that have been born by soil in the

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Speaker 1: United States are still citizens, so they're not even the

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Speaker 1: Trump argument is just that prospectively, it doesn't apply all

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Speaker 1: of the past millions of people who have become citizens.

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Speaker 1: Their citizenship is unaffected. But they're at Congress. Seize this issue.

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Speaker 1: This is why so many of you are so Australia,

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Speaker 1: and this is where I get so angry. Seize this issue.

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Speaker 1: And Democrats are of the opinion that they want more

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Speaker 1: of this. My concern is the Supreme Court opinion is

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Speaker 1: going to give Democrats what they want because they're not

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Speaker 1: going to address this in Congress. They're going to allow

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Speaker 1: this to become the law of the land. And as

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Speaker 1: a result, I think we're going to see more birth

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Speaker 1: tourism and more foreigners taking advantage of American by soil citizenship.

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Speaker 3: Well, at least at that point, and this is not

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Speaker 3: much of a silver lining, but will be able to

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Speaker 3: to your point about Congress say this needs to be fixed.

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Speaker 3: This is unacceptable. This is a Supreme Court ruling that

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Speaker 3: essentially says citizenship can be the proceeds of crime. You

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Speaker 3: can steal, you can lawfully steal citizenship, is what the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court will be saying with this.

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Speaker 2: And let me just say people have been doing that.

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Speaker 2: That is what anchor babies are. That is what birth

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Speaker 2: poorism is.

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Speaker 1: It is the stealing of citizenship because you are conspiring

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Speaker 1: and breaking American law to get to that place. And

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Speaker 1: at that point, at least you can say Democrats will

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Speaker 1: have to look the American you know whatever that means,

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Speaker 1: look the American people in the eye and say, you

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Speaker 1: know what, Yeah, this is what we think being an

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Speaker 1: American is.

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Speaker 2: It's really just kind of a joke. It's just you're.

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Speaker 3: Here and we get to take from some according to

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Speaker 3: ability and give to some according to need.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the whole game.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing that binds us together other than the Democrat

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Speaker 1: or the state machine, the apparatus. President Trump has weighed

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Speaker 1: in he was at the oral arguments if we didn't

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Speaker 1: say that earlier, which I believe is the first time

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Speaker 1: that a president, they believe, has ever attended an oral

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Speaker 1: argument at the Supreme Court? Buck, Have you ever been

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Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court and watched an argument?

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Speaker 4: It?

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Speaker 1: No, I have been once. Very cool experience to get

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Speaker 1: to go and see in person, and cooler experience watching

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court arguments Civil War Camp?

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Speaker 2: Am I the older Clay Travis? Say Clay Travis has paused?

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Speaker 2: He's like, I just did we just heard the record

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Speaker 2: scratch at the party? Did Clay Travis decision making pause

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Speaker 2: this time?

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Speaker 1: I actually was just about to say, Buck, there are

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Speaker 1: what three hundred and fifty million Americans? Am I the

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Speaker 1: only American who has been to Civil War sleepaway camp

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Speaker 1: and watched a Supreme Court oral argument in person?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of Civil Wars Sleepway camp nerds

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Speaker 3: have probably done.

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Speaker 1: These Supreme Court oral arguments. I don't think that's unusual.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you're right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that many people go to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to get in. I went as a member

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Speaker 1: of the media, so that was very cool. I think

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Speaker 1: I actually think it's pretty cool that President Trump went,

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Speaker 1: It's illustrative of how important he thinks this issue is.

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Speaker 2: He just posted Buck, we.

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Speaker 1: We are the only country in the world all caps

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Speaker 1: stupid enough to allow birthright citizenship President Donald J.

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Speaker 4: Trump.

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Speaker 1: So I think President Trump is smart enough having said

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Speaker 1: and watched those arguments to recognize that he is likely

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Speaker 1: to lose. And I think he wanted to be there

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Speaker 1: to illustrate and make the historical point of why this

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Speaker 1: is so significant. And again, I actually think Republicans are

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Speaker 1: doing a poor job on this issue. Isha hasn't He

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Speaker 1: posted this and I thought it was pretty well said.

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Speaker 1: She's at Fox News, and she was kind of building

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Speaker 1: on this situation. I've seen birth. This is Aisha Hasney.

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Speaker 1: I've seen birth tourism up close. It's a total abuse

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Speaker 1: of the system. Think about it. Someone like me, who

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Speaker 1: was not born in the United States but has lived

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Speaker 1: here since I was six years old will never be

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Speaker 1: able to run for president. But a child born here

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Speaker 1: through birth tourism, then taken back and raised in their parents' country,

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Speaker 1: never growing up with American values, somehow can American citizenship

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Speaker 1: is not an insurance policy.

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Speaker 2: I think that's really well said by her.

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Speaker 1: And this is I just think it's such a huge

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Speaker 1: seismic flaw and we are setting ourselves up to be

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Speaker 1: taken advantage of. And to you, Buck, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think it's a good way of phrasing it. They're stealing

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Speaker 1: American citizenship. This is a form of fraud being perpetrated

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Speaker 1: against all of us. And the Supreme Court, I think

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Speaker 1: is going to make it more common because they're now

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Speaker 1: going to say the law of the land is if

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Speaker 1: you can get here, if you can make it to

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Speaker 1: American soil and be born, it doesn't matter anything else.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay, a Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: We got a ton of calls.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to some of these calls, I promise you,

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Speaker 1: because some of you are going to have smart questions

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Speaker 1: and I've got a potential solution that I will share

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Speaker 1: at the top of the next hour that could make

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Speaker 1: sense perspectively going forward. But I do think this discussion

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Speaker 1: is important. And again I'm not happy with John Sower,

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Speaker 1: the Solicitor General, because I think when you guys hear

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Speaker 1: him making this argument, you're going to say, look, the

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Speaker 1: guy's in an oral advocate, and that legitimately means his job

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Speaker 1: is to speak well. RFK Junior would not be able

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Speaker 1: to host this radio show. That doesn't mean that I

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Speaker 1: don't think RFK Junior has good ideas, but we talk

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Speaker 1: for a living and communication on the radio you have

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Speaker 1: to be able to understand what we are saying. This

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Speaker 1: argument is important, even more so on social media because

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Speaker 1: all these arguments are going to be clipped and they're

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Speaker 1: going to circulate and it's going to be a part

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Speaker 1: of the marketplace of ideas. And I don't think that

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Speaker 1: President Trump's Solicitor General, John Sower is able to advocate

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Speaker 1: for the president's perspective as well as he should be

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Speaker 1: able to because of his voice. I'm going to play it.

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Speaker 1: You guys are going to understand this, but it is important.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about history. The United States is

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Speaker 1: actually a historical outlier now in terms of allowing birthright

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Speaker 1: citizenship by soil. Listen to Cut four.

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Speaker 6: There are people who are subject to removal at any

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Speaker 6: time if they are apprehended and they go through the

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Speaker 6: proper procedures, but they have in their minds made a

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Speaker 6: permanent home here and have established roots, and that raises

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Speaker 6: a humanitarian problem, and I wonder if you could address.

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Speaker 4: That on the humanitarian point. Ivery point out, as I

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Speaker 4: said at the beginning, Justice Alito, that the United States

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Speaker 4: rule of nearly unrestricted birthright citizenship is an outlier among

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Speaker 4: modern nations. It's a very small minority of nations that

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Speaker 4: have that rule. For example, every nation in Europe has

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Speaker 4: a different rule. On the notion that they have a

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Speaker 4: huge humanitarian crisis as a result of not having unrestricted

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Speaker 4: birthright citizenship, I don't think is a strong argument.

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Speaker 1: I think that's important. And again we've talked about this

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Speaker 1: some and maybe we'll dive into it a bit. Historically,

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Speaker 1: the legacy of bisoil citizenship is a vestige in North

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Speaker 1: and South America of the colonial era, when if you

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Speaker 1: had a family that decided to get on a ship

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Speaker 1: and come all the way here from England, for instance,

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Speaker 1: they wanted you to still be a subject of the king.

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Speaker 1: So there was fear that if you decided you were

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Speaker 1: going to go make your living in the colonies, that

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't one day be able to send your family

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Speaker 1: back to England.

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Speaker 3: That's a stateless person, which at that time would be

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Speaker 3: a really bad situation.

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Speaker 1: What do we do then, So that's why it exists.

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Speaker 1: But modern day Europe, Japan, China, you can't just show

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Speaker 1: up in their country and have a baby and have

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Speaker 1: that baby become a citizen of that country.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely outrageous. We'll talk more about this.

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Speaker 1: Everybody who wants to call in loaded lines you can

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Speaker 1: get through on the talkback, and we'll talk about President

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Speaker 1: Trump's address tonight at nine, maybe a bit about NASA's

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Speaker 1: Artemis two launch scheduled for this evening, and all of

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Speaker 1: those aspects, plus Buck I will give you what to

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Speaker 1: me would be a legislative solution going forward. All of

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Speaker 1: you can tell me if my idea is moronic, as

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Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you will, but I will tell

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Speaker 1: you what I think could be done. Nonetheless, that will

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Speaker 1: be at the top of the next hour, and our

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Speaker 1: buddy Congressman Jim Jordan joining us at the top of

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Speaker 1: the third hour. All that more, keep hanging with US

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Speaker 1: Wednesday edition Play and Buck