WEBVTT - The Mark Moss Show Dec 17, 2021

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of the Mark Moss Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course we're talking about bitcoin, we're talking about cryptocurrencies.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the decentralized revolution that is here in

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<v Speaker 1>front of us. It's happening as we speak each and

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<v Speaker 1>every week. Now I'm joined in the studio with one

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends, Jason Buack. You can find him on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter at Jason E. Burrock. That's bu r A c

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<v Speaker 1>K and uh. He is a He's an amazing financial analyst,

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<v Speaker 1>really someone that I bounced a lot of ideas off

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<v Speaker 1>on a macro level and I wanted to bring him

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio. So Jason, thanks so much. We are

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<v Speaker 1>joining me today. It's great to be on Mark. You're

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<v Speaker 1>doing a really good job on here. Congratulations on your

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<v Speaker 1>new show. Thanks man, thank you. I know, you know

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you've you've been been nice enough to start to

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<v Speaker 1>send me a lot of information and and some d

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<v Speaker 1>m s, and we've kind of gone back and forth,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, there was something that we were talking about. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been a week or two ago, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks ago when we start talking about get

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<v Speaker 1>you on the show, and you were talking about how um,

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<v Speaker 1>the government the Central Bank, and the government is in

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<v Speaker 1>this situation to a where a large percentage of their

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<v Speaker 1>tax revenue now has started to come increasingly more from

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<v Speaker 1>capital gains, and there's a reason why they need to

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<v Speaker 1>continue to get asset prices to go up, including they

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<v Speaker 1>might even want to see bitcoin going up to a

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars because they need that revenue. I think, is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right what you were saying. Yes, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of reasons for this. So there's been enormous structural

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<v Speaker 1>changes in the annual US federal government tax or seats

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<v Speaker 1>of the last couple of decades. So a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>decades ago, capital gains, taxes on stock spawns, real estate,

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<v Speaker 1>it was barely ten percent. Most years, it wasn't ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent of annual tax revenues. So the real economy, corporation,

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<v Speaker 1>small businesses, that was what was paying the tax revenues.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what has changed is, depending upon how you measure GDP,

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<v Speaker 1>government spending now accounts for around fifty of g d P,

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<v Speaker 1>and the government's not going to tax itself. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of corporation and don't pay taxes, especially the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>are politically connected like General Electric or Tesla Motors that

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<v Speaker 1>are relying on a lot of government subsidies to survive

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<v Speaker 1>and are not consistently profitable. So you have a situation

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<v Speaker 1>where the government realized this, the Futtal Reserve Bank realized this,

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<v Speaker 1>the large banks in the US realized this. The large

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<v Speaker 1>banks decided a couple of decades ago that it was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more profitable for them. There's no caps on

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<v Speaker 1>lending the amount of percentage interest rates that they could charge,

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<v Speaker 1>so the large banks have basically they take depositor money

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<v Speaker 1>and they take the reserves that the Futtle Reserve gives them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could use that as collateral. They can pledge it,

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<v Speaker 1>they can um put it as hypothecated and rehypothecated, all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, and they put on hedge fund trades, so

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<v Speaker 1>on stocks, bawns, real estate, currencies, commodities, over the counter derivatives.

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<v Speaker 1>The majority of annual bank profits now is not from

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<v Speaker 1>normal lending. It's from like leveraged hedge fund trades on

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<v Speaker 1>bonds and currencies and over the counter derivatives. So the

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<v Speaker 1>this is what a lot of people have called the

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<v Speaker 1>financialization of the economy, where the real economy um where

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<v Speaker 1>there's investments by the follow government investments by the private sector.

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<v Speaker 1>The government releases press releases. You know, it's I've lived

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<v Speaker 1>here in d C for over twenty years now, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's always infrastructure plans announced, and these infrastructure plans, the

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<v Speaker 1>return on investment on these things, the actual infrastructure never

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<v Speaker 1>seems to get done correctly. It so basically, when the

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<v Speaker 1>government spends money, it's not helping the regular people. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going for corporate welfare, it's going for bailouts, it's helping

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<v Speaker 1>out large corporations and special interest groups. And that's where

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<v Speaker 1>the capital gains on stocks, bonds, royal estate and now

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<v Speaker 1>crypto comes in. Because the official FED policy mark for

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<v Speaker 1>the last two decades, and the FED doesn't even want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this in more publicly because the wealth

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<v Speaker 1>disparity that they've created intentionally, by the way, because you

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<v Speaker 1>had the Alan Greenspan FED, you have the Ben Bernanke FED,

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<v Speaker 1>you had the Janet yelling FED all talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>wealth effect, and the wealth effect basically means asset price

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<v Speaker 1>inflation and what Austrian School economists call the canceil Wan effect,

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<v Speaker 1>which is enormous amounts of currency and credit being misallocated.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to the right places. It's being subsidized,

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<v Speaker 1>given to large corporations for bailouts, UM, people on Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street to put hedge fund bets, or for bailouts, covert bailouts,

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<v Speaker 1>and political insiders here in d C. And that's how

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<v Speaker 1>the tax base has changed. Now here we are a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of decades later. And I said at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the segment that the annual tax revenues for stocks, bonds,

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<v Speaker 1>in real estate were ten percent or less for capital

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<v Speaker 1>gains taxes. Now we're here, we are, we're approaching, so

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<v Speaker 1>we've had a three x move now in capital game taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all part of my stagflate tax life thesis

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been talking about for years. And it's just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get worse the government, the federal government and all

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<v Speaker 1>levels of government because in a lot of states and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of counties they're going there increasing property taxes

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<v Speaker 1>a lot too. So this is all part of inflating

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<v Speaker 1>royal state as well. So I mean it makes perfect sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, asset prices have gone sky high. Obviously, we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen cryptocurrencies going high. Real estate price has never been higher,

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<v Speaker 1>stock market has never been higher, etcetera. Um. And so

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<v Speaker 1>then it makes sense that they're making more on capital gains,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it also makes sense that the revenue that

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<v Speaker 1>the government's collected off cap gains has gone from ten

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<v Speaker 1>to thirty or whatever. But what happens if asset prices

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<v Speaker 1>were to drop and then that revenue from cap gains

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<v Speaker 1>drops down? Are they that dependent on that increase in

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<v Speaker 1>cap gains taxes? Yes? Yes. And the other problem here, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>is you're creating a country of speculators. So instead of

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<v Speaker 1>a business owner, an entrepreneur or a small business owner,

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<v Speaker 1>the citing that I want to invest in new property,

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<v Speaker 1>plan and equipment, I want to expand my business, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to hire employees. Instead, you have people that have

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<v Speaker 1>some savings or capital or their retirement account. They want

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<v Speaker 1>to go gamble on n f T s, they want

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<v Speaker 1>to go gamble on crypto. They're not creating jobs, so

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're the real economy, human beings who actually want

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<v Speaker 1>to work, who actually want to grow their income. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not happening the conventional way. It's happening like it basically

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<v Speaker 1>created a nation of speculators. And if you go back

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<v Speaker 1>through financial history, this is actually looking now. Obviously things

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<v Speaker 1>are more modern and more digital people are trading on

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<v Speaker 1>their smartphones. But the speculative behavior is actually reminding me

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of studying prior to the Weimar Republic hyperinflation,

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<v Speaker 1>the crazy amounts of speculation on stocks and currencies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting you say that, because just this week I

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<v Speaker 1>put out a video um I'm calling I called it

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<v Speaker 1>Generation Gamble, which is actually from a little documentary that

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<v Speaker 1>CNBC did, and basically it's exactly what you're what you

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<v Speaker 1>just said there, which is we've created this generation of gamblers.

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw that um on robin hood or or

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<v Speaker 1>not just robbing it, but everywhere options trading has surpassed

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<v Speaker 1>stock trading for the first time in history. And so

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<v Speaker 1>between options trading and what that shows is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>buying stocks, you're kind of buying equity, and a company,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like buying a business. You're kind of investing in

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<v Speaker 1>a business. Maybe there's some money going to I mean

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<v Speaker 1>kind of supposed to be going towards a business for

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<v Speaker 1>capital expenditure, But when you're doing options, it's just pure gambling.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've seen obviously, you know the rise of the

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrency investing, as you said, n f T S etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>And and we're even seeing reports now people quitting their

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<v Speaker 1>jobs to just be full time traders. And when you're

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<v Speaker 1>trading options or you're trading crypto assets, you're not providing

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<v Speaker 1>any value to the point that you're making, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>like you're trading these assets, you're not providing any value

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<v Speaker 1>to anything. But what you're doing is you're increasing your

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<v Speaker 1>dollars without providing value. But then you take those dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and then you go buy goods and services from productive people.

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<v Speaker 1>And so really it's this net drags drain onto the

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<v Speaker 1>entire economy. And I was explaining this video how how

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<v Speaker 1>this is happening and how bad it is for the society.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is is that I mean to explain to

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<v Speaker 1>somebody why they should go slave over a job making

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<v Speaker 1>twenty bucks an hour and then go flip n F

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<v Speaker 1>T s and make, you know, fifty bucks a pop.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very difficult. But it's it's not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's just a sign of the times as a

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<v Speaker 1>sign of of where we're at, and it's a sign

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<v Speaker 1>of what has happened with the Fiat money system. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, you're listening to the Mark Moa show.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about bitcoin. We're talking about cryptocurrencies, We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the decentralized Revolution. I'm in the studio with Jason Barack.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find them on Twitter at Jason e Berrock.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course I'm on Twitter at one. Mark Moss and

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<v Speaker 1>I have him on and we're talking specifically about the

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<v Speaker 1>problems that are happening in the financial system with the

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Reserve and some of the dangers that are going

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<v Speaker 1>on inside the government that I think proves the use

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<v Speaker 1>case and the need for something like bitcoin. When we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we're I want to talk about how you

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<v Speaker 1>said that the g d P, or the gross Domestic

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<v Speaker 1>Product of the government, is fake, and how the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government spending is now accounting for a majority of what's

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<v Speaker 1>put into that g DP. It's like, uh, I made

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<v Speaker 1>another video. I said, it's like a ponzi, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can't taper a ponzi. So we're gonna talk about those

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<v Speaker 1>things when we get back again. You're listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>Mark ma Show talking about bitcoin, talking about cryptocurrencies, talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the decentralized Revolution, and we're talking about what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>in the government and the Federal Reserve, we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>right back. Hey, everybody, welcome back. You're listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Moa Show. We're talking about bitcoin, we're talking about cryptocurrencies.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the decentralized revolution. Each and every week.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in the studio right now with Jason Barack is uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find him on Twitter at Jason e back

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<v Speaker 1>and he's uh, somebody that I spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time talking about, UM. Talking to I should say about

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on with the FED and the debt

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<v Speaker 1>and all these things, and so UM we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>before the break, we're talking about how the FED needs

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<v Speaker 1>these asset price is to continue going up because they

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<v Speaker 1>depend on that much tax revenue. UM. But Jason, something

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<v Speaker 1>else that you had told me is that the GDP,

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<v Speaker 1>the gross domestic product that the government uses, UM, is

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<v Speaker 1>all fake. Tell me about that. Well. Murray Rothbard, the

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<v Speaker 1>Austrian School economist, He used to say that government spending

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<v Speaker 1>should be subtracted from GDP. But as of as of

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<v Speaker 1>right now, government spending, depending upon how you measure it,

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<v Speaker 1>is about fifty GDP. Now, there is a lot of waste, fraud,

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<v Speaker 1>corruption and abuse here in the DC metro area. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of bribes, there's a lot of unbidded contracts,

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<v Speaker 1>lobbying as part of it. There's also an enormous amount

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<v Speaker 1>of revolving door corruption between Wall Street in d C.

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<v Speaker 1>Between the regulators who want to go work at in

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<v Speaker 1>the regulatory department of hedge funds and investment banks, big pharma,

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<v Speaker 1>military industrial complex. So a lot of that government spending

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<v Speaker 1>mark is actually corporate welfare, is actually secret bailouts, covert

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<v Speaker 1>bailouts with based on bribes and unbidded contract so large corporations.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is common in a lot of other countries,

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<v Speaker 1>but um here in the United States. You know the

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<v Speaker 1>corruption levels. In the past, it was looked at as

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<v Speaker 1>not as corrupt as other countries, but now like the

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<v Speaker 1>United States has emerging market corruption levels. So the the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of government spent and the government is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to tax itself. So if the government is spending this much,

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<v Speaker 1>and the government is handing out enormous amounts of welfare payments,

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<v Speaker 1>all these different social transfer payments for healthcare payments and

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<v Speaker 1>welfare checks and ebt cards to the states, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna that stuff is not gonna get taxed. Now the

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<v Speaker 1>individuals who are receiving some of these things. If they

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<v Speaker 1>based on income, they might get taxed on some of

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<v Speaker 1>these things depending upon how much like subsidies and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>they get. But that over the government's not paying taxes

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<v Speaker 1>that people here in d C. I mean, I've had

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<v Speaker 1>off the record conversations with people I've been at parties

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<v Speaker 1>and charity events. I mean, there's lots of people here

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<v Speaker 1>in DC that are making a lot of money and

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<v Speaker 1>not paying taxes or figuring out ways around it. There's

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<v Speaker 1>that type of level of corruption here in the DC

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<v Speaker 1>mat area. Yeah, you know, um, I I was. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something I've I was told a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd always recite over and over is that the

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<v Speaker 1>government cannot give something that has not taken um. And

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<v Speaker 1>so in order for them to spend money, they have

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<v Speaker 1>to take it from somebody else. Um. Which is why

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<v Speaker 1>you said, you know, like GDP or should be removed

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<v Speaker 1>or government spending should be removed from GDP because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not real GDP. They've they're basically just redistributing that money.

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<v Speaker 1>So something that I've been kind of paying attention to

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<v Speaker 1>is this debt to GDP level and per like the

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<v Speaker 1>Kinsey and multiplier um Like, once you get over to GDP, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>the more debt you have, the less growth you're getting.

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually you don't get enough growth out of that

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<v Speaker 1>debt and you dig yourself deeper and deeper in a hole.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like, um, you know, once you get over

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred debt to GDP, then it's basically game over

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<v Speaker 1>at that point. Now we're at over a hundred debt

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<v Speaker 1>to GDP. But if what you're saying is fifty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of it is phony, then we might even be way higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Is something that you're thinking about. Well, the and this

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<v Speaker 1>is why the dollar hasn't crashed. You the entire global

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<v Speaker 1>financial system, all these emerging market governments, these foreign governments,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of foreign corporations, they're using dollars still, they're

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<v Speaker 1>borrowing dollar denominated debt. When the dollar index gets weak,

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<v Speaker 1>and it got week in twenty, they borrowed even more dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So as long as that continues, as long as dollar

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<v Speaker 1>denominated debt grows, the US is going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to get away with this, get away with stag flee

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<v Speaker 1>tax life for a while. Plus you have all these

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<v Speaker 1>other governments and this is a global macro analysis. Here

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<v Speaker 1>you have all these other governments trying to do the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. Um in and I've talked about this example.

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<v Speaker 1>I've done YouTube videos on this. There's almost two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>free YouTube videos on my channel if your listeners want

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<v Speaker 1>to check it out. But in the Indian government last

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<v Speaker 1>year in two run a record trades or plus. What

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<v Speaker 1>did they do? Their central bank printed a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>their own currency, Indian routpees and bought US dollars. They

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<v Speaker 1>propped up, They helped prop up the dollar so they

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<v Speaker 1>could run an enormous trades or plus. Now India is

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<v Speaker 1>paying for it with a weaker currency and they're having

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<v Speaker 1>inflation problems and um you know, the normal problems from

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<v Speaker 1>creating a lot of currency and emerging market. But the

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<v Speaker 1>US has benefited heavily from this dollar standard system, the

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<v Speaker 1>world reserve currency. Plus you have with the current system,

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<v Speaker 1>all these other foreign governments for incorporations. If the dollar

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<v Speaker 1>gets weak, they borrow in dollars, so it creates like

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<v Speaker 1>this is why the dollar is basically in a trading range.

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<v Speaker 1>And these other governments and central banks are doing very

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<v Speaker 1>similar policies. I call it Japanification. Similar to Japan and

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. M hmm, yeah. And you know, I know, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, another one of my friends, Brent Johnson, he

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<v Speaker 1>always talks about the you know, dollar milkshake theory and

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<v Speaker 1>how the dollar is going to continue to suck all

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<v Speaker 1>the liquidity out of all the other currencies, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're we're seeing that to some extent. But

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing that I always think about is like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great if the dollar is getting stronger against all

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<v Speaker 1>the other currencies, Like that's cool, but like it's still

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<v Speaker 1>losing ground in terms of purchasing power. Right, So it

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<v Speaker 1>may be stronger than the currencies, but it's still buying

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<v Speaker 1>me less houses and less stake at the grocery store. Right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the asset prices are being inflated, you have foreigners who

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<v Speaker 1>want to buy US assets because as bad as a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Americans think things are here in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>the US on a relative basis, still has better private

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<v Speaker 1>property rights and a lot of other countries. So there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of foreigners that want to invest in

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<v Speaker 1>royal state here in the United States. Even though property

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<v Speaker 1>taxes are going up, there are a lot of foreigners

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<v Speaker 1>who want to buy U s stocks at the right valuation.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of foreigners is still want to

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<v Speaker 1>move to the United States, so Americans have to think

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<v Speaker 1>of things on a relative term that the US is

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<v Speaker 1>still attractive for an investment. UM. I don't agree with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of what Brent I'm friends with Brent to

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<v Speaker 1>um the dollar. He's calling for a big dollar rally.

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<v Speaker 1>But they Fed and the Treasury want to try to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the dollar like in a trading range. So every

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<v Speaker 1>time the dollar gets too strong, that basically gives the politicians,

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<v Speaker 1>the bureaucrats, and the PhD economists here in d C

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<v Speaker 1>an excuse to spend more to try to weaken the dollar.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's gonna it's gonna be. I call it the

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<v Speaker 1>dollar tug of war. So the dollar index has been

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<v Speaker 1>a trading range for seven years. I expect that to

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<v Speaker 1>continue for the most part because of the way the

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<v Speaker 1>system is designed and what all these other governments and

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<v Speaker 1>central banks are doing. But Mark, the U S imports

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<v Speaker 1>so many things, and that's really where a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this stagflation and shrink flation is coming. And I've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about stagg flee tax lie and stagflation and shrink

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<v Speaker 1>flation for years. So a lot of people are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about stagflation right now, and yeah, it's bad right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's double digits right now, and taxes are going up.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean it's been going on for years. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been getting bad for years. It wasn't quite at these levels.

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<v Speaker 1>I was noticing it, but the majority of people weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what has happened, though, is that the government statistics,

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<v Speaker 1>so like the c p I, which is a consumer

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<v Speaker 1>consumer price index but I call it the Changing Propaganda Index,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't hide the inflation as much as they used to,

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<v Speaker 1>so the average person. I'm seeing articles on mainstream financial

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<v Speaker 1>media talking about how the CPI is totally wrong. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ten years ago, we never would have seen

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<v Speaker 1>anything like this, calling government statistics basically total Yeah. Yeah, So, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk more about the cp I. I

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<v Speaker 1>know we're expecting some numbers to come out tomorrow. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to dig into that, and UM, I have I

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<v Speaker 1>have a couple of questions that I want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Of course, UM, you know we need to

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<v Speaker 1>dig in. Uh, you're listening to the Marketma show. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, of course, bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and the technological

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<v Speaker 1>revolution that we're witnessing. UM. Right now we're talking with

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Barack. We're talking about the Federal Reserve, the Central Bank,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about you know, the government spending and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why is because, um, if you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to understand bitcoin and what's happening there, you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have to understand what's happening on the global macroeconomic scale.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that kind of it's one of the big

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why this all matters. UM. So I'm in the

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<v Speaker 1>studio with Jason Barrack. You can find him on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>at Jason E. Barack. UM. I think you can find

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<v Speaker 1>him on YouTube at Wall Street for Main Street as

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So we're gonna come back. We're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this new CPI number it's expected to come out,

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<v Speaker 1>these inflation numbers, what's happening with that so we can

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<v Speaker 1>make sure we're focused on our money and hopefully making

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<v Speaker 1>more of it. So we're gonna be right back with

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<v Speaker 1>Jason in a second. Don't go away, Hey, everyone, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Mark Moa Show, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about bitcoin, and we're talking about cryptocurrencies, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the decentralized revolution, each and every week, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we talked about each over week, over and

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<v Speaker 1>over and over. But we want to understand what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>not just from a technical perspective or you know, what's

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<v Speaker 1>trending or whatever. We want to understand it from a

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<v Speaker 1>deep fundamental level, like what is really uh what what's

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<v Speaker 1>really working behind the scenes. And in my opinion, the

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<v Speaker 1>financial system is facing a reset about every eighty years,

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<v Speaker 1>we see this financial revolution, the end of this long

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<v Speaker 1>term credit cycle kind of come to an end. We're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the Federal Reserve running out of tools. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they basically have two tools. They have interest rates, and

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<v Speaker 1>they have money supply. Interest rates are at zero or

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<v Speaker 1>negative in most parts of the world, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>too much debt and their backs up against the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm in the studio with Jason iraq Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He's kind of an expert in this type of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we're kind of talking about that to help

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<v Speaker 1>you understand what's going on a little bit better. Um

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<v Speaker 1>not Jason, you you had mentioned right before the break

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<v Speaker 1>about the c p I, which is the consumer price index,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what the government uses to measure inflation, which

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<v Speaker 1>is um you know, it's fine for them, But I

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<v Speaker 1>think most of us measure inflation when we fill up

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<v Speaker 1>our gas in our car, or we have to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the grocery store and buy some food, UM, or

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<v Speaker 1>buy a house. I think we've measured it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, rumors are that there's a cd P I

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<v Speaker 1>that is probably gonna be very bad, meaning it is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be very high, and they're already starting to

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<v Speaker 1>put out some warnings. I saw some headlines today saying, um, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it may come out and be really bad, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not as bad as it looks like. Have you seen

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff like that. Yeah, I've seen a political spin

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<v Speaker 1>from the Biden administration already talking about that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the headline number is, the the honest truth is,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter. And I'll give you some concrete examples

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<v Speaker 1>of that. So I didn't interview on George gam channel

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of months ago talking about the difference in rents.

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<v Speaker 1>So any normal consumer price index, they wait rent, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't accurately measure what people are paying for rents.

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<v Speaker 1>So they don't go to the National Realtors Association, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't go to Zillo, they don't survey a respected group

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<v Speaker 1>of real estate agents. They don't do any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, there was an article that came

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<v Speaker 1>out a couple of weeks ago in the USA today.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a headline. It was one of their main

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<v Speaker 1>stories that in small cities across the United States, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a record, first time in history, rents are up

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<v Speaker 1>in a year. On that yeah, over thirty percent, over

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<v Speaker 1>thirty percent. But in the consumer Price Index, the current

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<v Speaker 1>Consumer Price Index, they use something and this is a

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<v Speaker 1>fictional This is a fictional formula called owners equivalent rent.

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<v Speaker 1>It was only up i think earlier this year two

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<v Speaker 1>point four percent, so it is off over fifteen over

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen x. So aren't those two different measurements? Though they

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<v Speaker 1>have the owner's equivalent right and they have rent. Aren't

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<v Speaker 1>they two measurements? No, it's they do not accurately. So

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<v Speaker 1>the CPI also measures for healthcare insurance. Instead of like

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<v Speaker 1>serving people saying, my premiums are up, I'm getting less coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>my co pays are up. You know, going through the

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<v Speaker 1>actual on line item expenses of people's health care insurance monthly,

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<v Speaker 1>all the different expenses are up um, their co pays

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<v Speaker 1>are more money, their premiums or more money, paying more

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<v Speaker 1>for prescription medications, all these doctors business, all these things

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<v Speaker 1>right or are up Instead. What the consumer's price Index

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<v Speaker 1>does is it just measures Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements that

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<v Speaker 1>are sent over from the government. So these are intentionally

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<v Speaker 1>made to under report inflation. This has been going on

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<v Speaker 1>since the nineteen seventies and eighties. George Gammon did it,

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<v Speaker 1>did a video on this, I want to say, like

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<v Speaker 1>June or July of this year, talking about how the

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Reserve chairman in the seventies when the stagflation started,

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<v Speaker 1>before Paul Vulker, it was Arthur Burns. He started drastically

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<v Speaker 1>changing the consumer Price Index, and it's only gotten worse

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<v Speaker 1>every five or ten years. They keep on changing the formulas.

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<v Speaker 1>You've had people in Congress talk about it. The cost

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<v Speaker 1>of living adjustments mark hit the highest amount I think

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<v Speaker 1>in forty years they hit five points something five. I

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<v Speaker 1>did a video on this about four or five months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's tens of billions of dollars more in payouts

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<v Speaker 1>the funeral government's going to have to pay because the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of living adjustments said that the real inflation was

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<v Speaker 1>much higher than the consumer price index. So it's in

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<v Speaker 1>the government's incentive to cheat, to lie for It's in

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<v Speaker 1>their incentive for two reasons. So one obviously is what

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<v Speaker 1>you just said, which a lot of people probably don't

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<v Speaker 1>catch on too. But um, if they keep that cost

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<v Speaker 1>of living low by manipulating that number, they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to they don't have to increase the amount of payouts

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<v Speaker 1>like for Social Security. So if the cost of living

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<v Speaker 1>goes up, they have to pay out more money. So

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<v Speaker 1>if they can keep that are officially low, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>pay out as much. I think that's one, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I think the other reason, and you can tell me

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm right here, But you know, the other reason

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<v Speaker 1>is just if they can say that they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>enough inflation, they can keep printing more money. Right if

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<v Speaker 1>inflations running out, hi, they have to pull back, so

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of gives them those to two levers. That

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<v Speaker 1>that is definitely part of Well, they said they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>a minimum the official FED stance a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>before stagflation became really obvious to everyone. In the last

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<v Speaker 1>like twelve months or so, the FED was officially saying

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<v Speaker 1>that they had to have around two percent inflation, and

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<v Speaker 1>the official numbers weren't there. But again, and I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>back to what I said earlier in past segments, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all about the wealth effect. The FED doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this publicly anymore because they created a nation

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<v Speaker 1>of speculators and large wealth disparity. They've made the rich richer,

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<v Speaker 1>they've made the poor, the working class, the middle class.

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<v Speaker 1>They made our standard of living much more difficult. So

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<v Speaker 1>our dollars are purchasing power is going less and less.

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<v Speaker 1>So now the Fed publicly, if you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>speeches and the stuff they say, they don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the wealth effect anymore. Even though that that

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<v Speaker 1>was a sheal FED policy, there was articles that op eds.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Berniki wrote an op ed in the Washington Post

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<v Speaker 1>in November talking about the wealth effect. Your listeners can

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<v Speaker 1>go back and look it up and read. It's on

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<v Speaker 1>the Fed's website to talking about all the benefits of

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<v Speaker 1>the wealth effect and asset price inflation and how it

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<v Speaker 1>won't cause consumer price inflation. They won't have the money

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<v Speaker 1>supply which has gone bonkers here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>The Austrian true money supply, I think in the last

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<v Speaker 1>like two and a half years, is up six point

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<v Speaker 1>five trillion. Kyle bassett Um. The way the broad money

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<v Speaker 1>supply is measured is up in the last like eighteen months,

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<v Speaker 1>So the total money supplying credit available has gone up,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's lee and the real economy is not producing

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<v Speaker 1>nearly as many goods as it was prior to the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have more currency and credit chasing the same

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<v Speaker 1>or fewer amounts of goods, and that's why we have

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<v Speaker 1>such bad stag stag inflation on many different items. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not the supply chach. It's there are supply chain problems,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's so much current seen credit and it's chasing

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<v Speaker 1>the same or fewer goods, right, which is in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>High prices where the solution for high prices. So when

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<v Speaker 1>prices go up, two things happen. One people buy less

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<v Speaker 1>of those goods, and two people make more of those goods.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you have massive amounts inflation and prices go up,

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<v Speaker 1>one the people just keep buying because they've been given

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<v Speaker 1>so much stimulus, and too because of the inflation, it's

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<v Speaker 1>harder for people to make more good so that it's

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite kind of going against you, and so high

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<v Speaker 1>prices don't here the high prices well Mark also to

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<v Speaker 1>out to your points there, you also have politicians, bureaucrats,

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<v Speaker 1>regulators telling business owners they can't produce, telling them they

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<v Speaker 1>can't hire employees, telling them they can't produce, giving them

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<v Speaker 1>all these extra rules, regulations, red tape to maintain their

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<v Speaker 1>business and try to meet consumer demand. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous headache trying to be a business owner right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean and and and it only further exascerbates the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>which is people wanting to quit their jobs to become

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<v Speaker 1>full time traders and again stopped making goods and services

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<v Speaker 1>that would actually help the situation and instead continue to

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<v Speaker 1>um just trade and produce no value to the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, But unfortunately for and if you have to

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<v Speaker 1>look at this from a US federal government tax perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>if you work in the Treasure Department, they don't care

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<v Speaker 1>how the tax revenues are produced. So if the government

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, if they have to invest trillions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in an infrastructure plan and they return on investment

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<v Speaker 1>for that spending might be very low. The government might

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<v Speaker 1>not collect how much tax revenues. If the government doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to spend trillions of dollars and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin goes to a million dollars, two million dollars. You

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<v Speaker 1>have people trading cryptocurrencies and f t s, you have

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<v Speaker 1>tons and tons, and you talked about this on your

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<v Speaker 1>show earlier. Taxable events, right, every time people buy something

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 1>with crypto, every time people trade crypto, all these things

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<v Speaker 1>are taxable events and the i R S. This is

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<v Speaker 1>why on your tax forms if you're an American here,

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<v Speaker 1>this is why there's so many questions lately asking um,

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<v Speaker 1>are you being paid in cryptocurrency or bitcoin? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>trading cryptocurrency? And it's only going to get worse going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>the taxes on assets, the government going after crypto, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to monitor people. So it's going to be a very

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous time for people here in the United States if

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<v Speaker 1>you own assets and you own a business. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. They're they're trying to seal off all the whole,

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<v Speaker 1>all the holes, prevent any escape hatches, and they want

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<v Speaker 1>to try to collect every ounce of revenue they can.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Mark Mo Show. We're talking about bitcoin, cryptocurrencies,

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<v Speaker 1>the decentralized revolution. I'm in this studio with Jason Barack.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking a bigger picture about the FED, the central

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<v Speaker 1>bank in the government and what that is going to

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<v Speaker 1>do to cryptocurrencies. Don't go away, We'll be right back. Everyone.

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. You're listening to the Mark mo Show. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about bitcoin, We're talking about cryptocurrencies, We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the decentralized revolution. You know, there's so many angles to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about bitcoin from up and talking about it for

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<v Speaker 1>seven years, and I don't find a shortage of things

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about. Because there's the philosophical side, and there's

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>the technological side, there's the monetary history side, the game

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 1>theory side, and we can go on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the things I like to spend a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time to talking about is why why doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even matter? Um solutions are supposed to come to problems,

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<v Speaker 1>And we have a lot of problems in the financial

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<v Speaker 1>system today where at the end of a long term

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>credit cycle, the reserve system, the dollar system is starting

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<v Speaker 1>to crack um and and the ship is starting to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sink, so to speak. Now, I'm so I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to take a look at those the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bigger macro side I'm in the studio with Jason Barack.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find them on Twitter at Jason ib iraq,

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<v Speaker 1>and we trade a lot of messages back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an expert in these things, and so I thought

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<v Speaker 1>i'd bring them on. And Um, Jason, you were making

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<v Speaker 1>the case before, how um, you know fift of the

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<v Speaker 1>g d P is kind of fake. Um, they're basically

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<v Speaker 1>taking money and spending money on themselves, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>go back into being a productive piece of the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're also talking about how they need asset prices

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<v Speaker 1>to continue going higher because of the capital gains taxes

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<v Speaker 1>that they're making and how much of a big piece

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<v Speaker 1>of the budget that is. And if asset prices go down,

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<v Speaker 1>cap gains taxes go down, and then their budget goes down,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a big problem. But what about, um, what about

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<v Speaker 1>all those asset prices staying high because they're collateral and

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<v Speaker 1>so the whole system is so levered up that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the real estate and the stocks, etcetera makeup collateral. And

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<v Speaker 1>if the markets start dropping, collateral starts drying up, it

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<v Speaker 1>could turn into this entire cascading effect. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think about that? Well, yeah, you start getting margin calls.

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<v Speaker 1>Look what happened in the last week with the VIX.

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<v Speaker 1>The VIX hit thirty early Monday morning, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>was monkey hammered back down with manipulation from one of

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<v Speaker 1>the four or five or six different plunge protection teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Within about forty hours, it was knocked back down to twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's because of the leverage short volatility trade that's

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<v Speaker 1>over three trillion in size according to volatility hedge fund

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<v Speaker 1>manager Christopher Cole. That means that when the VIX starts

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<v Speaker 1>going up, all these portfolio managers at investment banks that

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<v Speaker 1>trade tons of bonds on leverage between seven x or more.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are ten x or more leverage. The

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<v Speaker 1>family offices like archegos, and there's a lot more family

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<v Speaker 1>offices that copycatted the same or similar traits to our

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>chegos and hedge funds that are over leveraged. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would cause temporary deflation. But Mark, I've been in

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<v Speaker 1>the financial industry now for my fifteenth year, will be

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<v Speaker 1>next year in two working different jobs in the financial industry,

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<v Speaker 1>and I could tell you that FED policy they will

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<v Speaker 1>not allow deflation for long periods of time anymore. There

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<v Speaker 1>will be rules changes, there will be bailouts, there will

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<v Speaker 1>be goal posts moving, there will be secret bailouts, there

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<v Speaker 1>will be press release manipulation, announcing as many liquidity programs

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<v Speaker 1>as possible to prevent these asset prices from staying too

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<v Speaker 1>low for too long. So in two thousand eight, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nine, we had low asset prices, we had UM

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<v Speaker 1>low asset prices and quote unquote deflation according to the

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<v Speaker 1>government statistics, with UM money and credit dropping for maybe

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<v Speaker 1>six to eight months. In February and Arch of we

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<v Speaker 1>had deflation for six to eight weeks. So perspective here,

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<v Speaker 1>we had deflation in an over leverage system, where in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, mark the entire system, now, the global financial system.

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<v Speaker 1>We're over three hundred trillion now in total government debt

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<v Speaker 1>and and UM corporate debt, and it's it's just keeps growing.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to grow now by twenty trillion now every

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<v Speaker 1>twelve to eighteen months, twenty trillion or more globally, so

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<v Speaker 1>even more debt is added. And yet the current debt

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<v Speaker 1>can't be paid back, the current debt can barely be serviced.

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<v Speaker 1>So this system is a Ponzi scheme. But the government

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<v Speaker 1>can't tax deflation. So that's why the government one of

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<v Speaker 1>the main reasons why they won't allow deflation, even though um,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're an Austrian school economists, that might have been

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<v Speaker 1>the cure. But the current system, the people in power,

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<v Speaker 1>the policy makers at these central banks, they won't allow

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<v Speaker 1>deflation for a long period of time without changing the roles, bellouts, manipulation,

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<v Speaker 1>all these and things. So what does that mean? They

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<v Speaker 1>won't allow deflation. I mean they won't allow the markets

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<v Speaker 1>to ever drop again. Because I know a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>including myself, uh, we're expecting you know, this big, this

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<v Speaker 1>big market crash to come. I've started to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>change my mind on that, maybe to kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>you're what you're saying, But what what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>They won't allow asset deflation, so they won't allow it, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the caveatists for long periods of time. So look at

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<v Speaker 1>the desperation, all the crazy announcements the FED had to

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<v Speaker 1>make during the span of February and March to try

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<v Speaker 1>to restart bond markets all over the globe, to try

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<v Speaker 1>to restart credit markets in the US and all over

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the globe. Wall Street banks wanted to restart selling junk bonds,

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>collateralized loan obligations, leverage loans, all these credit and derivatives products.

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Wall Street love selling this crop. The bond salesman on

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street, the hedge fund guys that go on Real

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<v Speaker 1>Vision TV and and talk about their ball on trades

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, their leverage bond trades and out which

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<v Speaker 1>they are. They love selling this stuff. And during a

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>deflationary period they can't sell the stuff. So there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of different reasons why the federal government, the Federal Reserve,

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<v Speaker 1>the US Treasury does not want to allow deflation for

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<v Speaker 1>long periods of time, and they're going to change. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>change the rules a whole bunch of times. Unfortunately, the

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>average person, mark the retail investor, the average person does

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<v Speaker 1>not want to hear that the rules could change next week,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks from now. After that they can

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<v Speaker 1>change a month from they could keep changing. The average

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:37.959
<v Speaker 1>person does not want to hear the goalpost move. They

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<v Speaker 1>moved again. The average person does not want to hear this.

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<v Speaker 1>When I talk to investors and other people, they want

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<v Speaker 1>a easy solution to a very difficult problem that unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>right now does not have a solution. And the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is the policymakers, these politicians, bureaucrats, regulators, central banksters, they

0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 1>are doing really stupid things and it's continuing. And that's

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>why you have all these traders. They're gambling that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get a bail up. They're gambling that the

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 1>FED is going to change the rules, and they're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to prison. They're not gonna lose their

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<v Speaker 1>jobs if they have a margin call and their hedge

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>fund gets shut down. Okay, twelve months, eighteen months from now,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to restart. It's gonna go right back to

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<v Speaker 1>selling junk bonds. And that's why corporate debt has doubled

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<v Speaker 1>since two thousand nine. Corporate debt has doubled, cash flows

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<v Speaker 1>haven't doubled. The money hasn't been um invested properly by corporations,

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<v Speaker 1>has been used share by backs on debt and increasing dividends.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, dividends marker um. The average retail

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<v Speaker 1>investor doesn't think about this. Dividends for an American investor

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<v Speaker 1>are triple taxed, so corporations pay their corporate profit. Corporations

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<v Speaker 1>pay taxes on their dividends before they pay them to shareholders,

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<v Speaker 1>and the shareholders pay their dividends, so the average person

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<v Speaker 1>does not think about any of this. The government loves

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<v Speaker 1>asset price inflation and that's why the policies like this.

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<v Speaker 1>So so we can have we can have deflation, we

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<v Speaker 1>can have deflation, but it will not last at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be shocked if it lasts for more than three

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<v Speaker 1>or four months at this point, because that's how ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>the system is. The system is a currency and credit

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<v Speaker 1>Ponzi scheme with government debt in corporate debt. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>basically saying, if we see a dip in the markets,

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<v Speaker 1>um it would be very short lived, which would then

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<v Speaker 1>be met with an enormous amount of central bank manipulation

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<v Speaker 1>to push the markets back up to new all time highs.

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<v Speaker 1>So if the FED does not want to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>then the FED. If the FED does not want to

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<v Speaker 1>do that to help the U. S. Treasury with capital

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<v Speaker 1>gains taxes, then what the Fed's gonna have to do

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<v Speaker 1>is they're gonna have to buy either They're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to cover all those lost capital gains taxes that the

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<v Speaker 1>Treasury was bringing in. The FED would have to mount

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<v Speaker 1>the FEDS trapped. They don't want to make this the

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<v Speaker 1>fedest trapped. The balance sheet is not going to go

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<v Speaker 1>down significantly really ever again unless the US government drastically

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<v Speaker 1>cut spending or the US loses world reserve currency status

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<v Speaker 1>in the near future. Yeah, got it. So the FED

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<v Speaker 1>would have to cover the losses all these capital gains

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<v Speaker 1>taxes that the and and trust me the Treasury now

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<v Speaker 1>and i've and I've seen President. Have you been to

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<v Speaker 1>the DC Blockchain something yet here in d C? You

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<v Speaker 1>should come if they have an in person one at

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<v Speaker 1>Georgetown and listen to people from the U. S. Treasury,

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<v Speaker 1>listened to people from the Fellow Reserve, listen to people

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<v Speaker 1>from the Securities and Exchange Commission and seef TC speak

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<v Speaker 1>at the event. They've owned bitcoin for years. They love bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>They buy bitcoin for family members, but they want to

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<v Speaker 1>tax the crap out of it too. They want to

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<v Speaker 1>tax and regulated, which is which is fine. They can

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<v Speaker 1>tax it, just pump it to the moon. Hey, that's that,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much man. So uh you heard it from

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<v Speaker 1>from Jason Jason Barack. Find them on Twitter at Jason E.

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<v Speaker 1>Barack UM. If you like this kind of content from him,

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<v Speaker 1>you can follow him on Wall Street from main Street

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube as well, And uh, that's it. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>the markets aren't. The Fed can't let the markets crash.

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<v Speaker 1>That means more stimulus. That means your dollar is going

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<v Speaker 1>to continue to lose purchasing power. That means you need

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<v Speaker 1>to continue to find ways to maintain or increase your

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<v Speaker 1>purchasing power, which, of course bitcoin is my favorite option.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's it for today. Thanks for listening.