WEBVTT - A Star is Born (2018) 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.640 On the Big Dog Cast. The questions asked if movies 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.280 have women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:11.520 and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:23.840 and best start changing it with the Bell Cast. I 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:25.560 hope if you're listening to this in your car, you 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.520 just crash. You just literally got into an accit. I 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.840 don't hope that. Well, I don't hope that. But if 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.120 that's what you're dealing with right now, it is our fault. Hi. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.600 I'm Jamie Lofton and I'm Caitlin Dronte And this is 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.840 the best episode of the Big Dog Cast ever. I'm 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.800 so excited. We've never been less excited about anything. I've 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.680 been stewing in my juices for days now. I'm so 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.760 thrilled to be talking about a star is born with 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.040 our friend and Asne. I just I blew it and 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:02.520 my freaking what if I just needed my turn? Like 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:07.240 she's been vibrating at the table. Oh it's so good. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.920 I just I every song is almost good enough to 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.800 be a real song, Like they are real songs. I 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.880 but I but the way sad I was like, this 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.399 song actually kind of slaps, but it's not quite a 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:27.040 real song. Oh I love it so much? So hey, hey, 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.319 here we are. We're the Betel Cast. We talked about 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.880 the portrayal and representation of women in film. We use 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:39.920 the Bechdel test to initiate a larger conversation about women 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:45.920 in film. Was that the Bechdel test is. It was founded, invented, 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:51.480 created by cartoonist Alison Bechdel, and it requires that a 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:58.320 movie has too female identifying characters with names. They have 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.880 to talk to each other there for at least a 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:08.360 two line exchange, and their conversation cannot be about a man. Well, 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.760 good luck with this franchion. Okay, so wait, we should 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.520 do with a dry round of the Bechtel test. Okay, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.280 let's do it. Hey, Caitlin, will you ask me a 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.919 question and I'll ask you what to ask me? Wait? 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:26.639 What it's passing so far? Don't say my name? Hey, Jamie? Okay, Caleb, 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:28.880 If I ask you to ask me a question and 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:30.880 give you the copy, will you say will you ask 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.720 me that question? Yes? Okay, here's the question I want 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.160 you to ask me. Okay, what do they have an Arizona? Hey? 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.239 Hey Jamie, what do they have an Arizona? Nuts? Navas 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.800 and nowhere to go. That was a long way, but 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.640 that all passed. Yeah, that all passed. That passed the 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.560 beck That was great. That was the longest pass That's 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.160 like a full conversation with someone like okay, in the 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.880 history of cinema, I love my favorite part of the 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.960 Bechtel test. And that doesn't have to be good writing. 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:06.960 It just has to be writing. But the word, Hey, 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:13.040 should we introduce our guests? Yeah, okay, right, well let's 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.720 give her a proper introduction. She's a friend of the cast. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.760 You've already heard her on her She's all that episode. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.080 She is one half of Ethnically Ambiguous, and she's a 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.560 producer here at how stuff works. Ana and I sleep 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:35.800 under the table every time you guys record true fact. So, 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.400 so here we are talking about the two thousand and 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:44.120 eighteen A Star is Born. So, and this is quite 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.720 a hot request, which I think is one of the 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:51.080 only reasons Caitlyn agreed to do it. Also, I blackmails 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.240 you guys, I will be the guest, and that is 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.800 that I do have a memory of you walking towards 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.320 us as you're like, we're gonna to A Star is Born? Right, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.440 and then two nights later, we were in the theater 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.720 fully reclined. Guess what. I bought tickets asap. I bought 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.120 tickets for everybody. I was like, great, we're going and 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:14.680 said us a paragraph long venmo. Yes. It was like 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.560 you guys had to ask for my permission, please give 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.960 me do A Star is Born? Pause? You knew you 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:27.599 were going south? Yeah, You're like, I'm not excited to 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.720 see this, Like that was the first thing you said 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:30.800 when I got in the car, was like, Oh, this 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.400 is gonna be fun. Take a hit of weed and 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:37.600 you're like no. I was like, weed gives me panic attacks. 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:42.200 I'm very cool. Love this movie. Smoke weed in the back, 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:50.400 freaking seed stars. Okay, So Jamie and Anna, you've both prepared, 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.279 I would say more than adequately so, but I still 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.280 feel completely all over the place. Okay, just to be clear, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.000 not in organized, prepared, but I have all the thought 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.760 I need. Good. Okay, So, Anna, what is your history 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.159 with this, this film or the general A Star is Born? 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.640 So franchise if you will. I mean, as you know, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.839 this movie is a remake of a remakeup remakeup remakeup remake, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.840 and the original film was actually called what Price Hollywood, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.800 which was the original one who no one's seen because 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:25.280 who carries it was a Selznick joint. Yeah, yeah, exactly who. Um. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.720 A little known fact was the son in law of 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:35.479 Louis B. Mayor of Notorious Rapist. Um. Yes, because almost 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.840 an email executive of that era, but yeah, he was 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.640 a film executive and he yeah, they're all rapists. So 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.760 then the film that was remade based off what prize 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.200 Hollywood was A Star is Born with Janet Gainer. I 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:52.799 have not seen that version. I was from nineteen thirty seven. Seven. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.760 That's a little too far back for me. I took 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.239 a thirties film class in college and I was like, yawn, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.800 enough of these Joan Crawfords. Okay. And you know I 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:06.760 was never a fan of that whole censorship era. Well, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.640 it lasted from the mid thirties till the late sixties, 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.840 so no interest. I've seen the thirty seven. Sorry, I 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.360 haven't seen a long time. I didn't commit, but I 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.040 one of my favorite fun fact about that Star Is 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:23.640 Born as Dorothy Parker helped write the script. I just 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.120 feel like women usually are involved in writing the scripts, 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.520 which is so interesting because the woman has no power 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.000 but um, and then I saw the Judy Garland one 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.920 a while back. Um, it's like three hours long. I 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.520 recommend it if you like. Yeah, I have three hours 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.360 or eight a very strong edible and I can't move. Um. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.320 That one I think is the best because I've seen 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.560 The barberstriceand one and actually rewatched The Barbersicean one last night, 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:52.000 and god, damn is streisand a mess. Uh that's I 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.680 think the worst one because I listened to a podcast 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.000 you must remember this about the making of a star 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.880 is born the Barbersrrice and one, and boy, it was 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.880 not good. She was a real bit. She led Chris 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.440 Christofferson to drink like a bottle of tequila a day, 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:10.440 so he just basically became the guy and it wasn't 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.560 just being method. And apparently she cut her own edit 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:18.840 at the end that had her basically include more shots 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.080 of her ass. But she was like, so she's like, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.320 there needs to be more male gaze. I do kind 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.600 of love, like I wish that every actor demanded that 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.720 they got their own kind I want to see, like, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.960 what the what is the Taylor Lotner cut of Twilight 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.960 too as more of his I think maybe it's not 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.120 even gendered. It's like, like, this is my movie. My 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.280 ass should be in it as much as possible. I 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.160 get it. Yeah, that's basically when it's got so many 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.480 shots to get your ass in from a big crowd. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.280 I get it. She's insane. Okay. I've also seen the 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.920 seventies six one. I could not get through it this time. 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.240 I got forty. It's such a mess, like it even 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.000 looks like it looks like a mess on the set. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.360 I was just like, what is it? It's and now 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:10.000 you both have seen this two eighteen version twice. Now, okay, great, 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:15.239 we've seen good job you're all. You're way more prepared 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:19.000 than I am, because I've seen Bradley Cooper's A Star 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:24.360 is Born one time. Honestly, you catch yourself some yeah 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.560 you know what that thank you. I don't know if 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.800 you recall, but I did watch all six mission Impossible 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:36.760 movies to prep for the episode. So I so I'm 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:40.559 coming in not having a whole ton of background for 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:45.079 this film. And it's because, yeah, I don't especially like 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:49.559 this genre. I this is gonna make me sound psychotic, 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.679 but I don't like to watch people sing. I think 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:57.800 it's so boring. That's okay. Some people find musicals completely uncomfortable, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.400 like they can't like, I'm not a huge fan of musicals. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.480 I wouldn't classify this as a musical because all the 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.520 music that's happening in this one is diagetic. Is in 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.599 like it's happening as a part of the story, and 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.559 they're like not breaking out into random song. Yeah so, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.320 And at least if there's like a song and dance number, 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.920 it's like they're there's fun, there's choreography. This one, we're 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.319 just watching people sing and I could not be more bored. 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.319 And I just, yeah, I don't, I just this is 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.120 not for me. But I did enjoy the first thirty minutes. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:32.439 Yes to Amy, you're raising your hand. You have a 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:42.920 question my history this movie. I love Judy Garland so much. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.000 She was my hero when I was little. I feel 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:51.560 like all young queer people slash very very very quiet 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.959 young women. For some reason, there's something about Judy. I 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.040 would record all of her movies on Turner Classic and 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:00.760 it would be to the point where it's like my 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.280 family would write it on the calendar Judy Garland's birthday 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.120 because there would always be a marathon. Would you take 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.240 a cake to school every I wouldn't talk to anyone 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.600 at school but that. But my one of my parents 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.040 was like usually home and so they would switch at 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.559 the VHS table to start recording the next one. So 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.720 I've seen every Judy Garland movie ever, love her so much, 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.440 and then I wanted to, you know, experience the Judy 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.880 Garland extended universe. And so that's why I watched the 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.240 other Stars born to be like. I know that she 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.199 had she was the best one, but let me just 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:34.800 cross check and confirm, uh check. And then I found 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.079 out Dorothy Parker helped write the first one I was like, 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.920 and then Joan Didion helped write the Barbastres, and there's 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.520 a lot of famous woman. The interesting fact about that 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.559 is she started to write it and then Barber stration 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.839 was so hell she left, but because she was like 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.080 still like you know, credit as a writer. She made 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.920 more money that she'd ever made in her entire life 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.199 off that movie basically, so she was like set for 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:58.920 life and all she had to do was like meet 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.720 with Barbara like five times before. She was like this woman. Honestly, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.360 it sounds like worth the amount of the any like 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.640 story of Barber strikes and on set of anything, you're like, 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.760 holy sh it, this is this is a lot, what 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.800 a legend this is? She truly truly a diva. But yeah, 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.079 I love this movie. But I just I think I 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.079 just wanted to say I love Judy Garland. And I 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.319 think we between the three of us, we've seen the 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.800 trailer maybe five times. So I do recall when that 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.840 trailer first appeared on my YouTube, Like I remember when 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.120 it first appeared, yes, because I think I brought it 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.400 to you guys. I was like, you see this, and 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.520 then we proceeded. I made you watch that. I made 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:41.559 you watch that in a bunch of like we with 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:47.040 Mark Wahlberg films. But I I haven't stopped watching it. 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.080 I'm glad you guys have have had a great time 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.040 with this so far. I have a somewhat unhealthy relationship 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.360 to the part on the trailer where Lady Gaga starts 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:00.840 for like full Lady Gaga moment. It's good, And then 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.360 when it was coming up that whole scene, they it's 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.880 almost like the scene like whoever is editing, It's like, oh, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:07.760 people are gonna be so excited for the part where 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.439 she just yells, and so they make you. It makes 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.280 you wait for it and wait for it and wait 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.319 for it, and then she finally hits the mic and 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:19.640 you're like, I think we all like grabbed hands hearted. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.240 Levitating five feet off the ground was crazy. I do 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.240 remember when it was about to happen, an old man 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.000 got up to go use the bathroom, and I was 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.920 so fiercely offended, like I was like fucking kidding me 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:41.959 to stage. Yeah, if you're listening, sir, biggest parents love it. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.480 Is this the a star is born's universe or as 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:50.600 stars are born or a stars are stars is born? 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.160 What would you how do you? How do you what 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:57.920 would you refer to this? Um stars is born stars 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.920 or stars? A star is born stars the stars the 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:07.720 stars are born born, Stars born stars. That's like porn. 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:12.319 Star the star is would have been a great one 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:18.640 missed opportunity for this round, because this this film, it's 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.720 not even a franchise, this story that refuses to die. Generally. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.200 It was like coming up once once every twenty years. 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.040 And they skipped the nineties, which would have been a 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:34.440 great Curtain Courtney adjacent but they didn't. They skipped the nineties, right, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.160 But it was originally supposed to be Clint Eastwood directing, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.920 with Beyonce attached. Yeah, and then Will Smith was attached. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.760 I think as as whoever this one for the two one, well, 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.600 the one that was that was in the works before 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:52.000 this one, you know, came out with every version who's 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.439 played it was Esther for the first three No, I 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.280 think the sect Judy Garland. Then they make it like 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.319 Vicky or something. No, they change so they change name 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:01.960 and most of them. There's like a few things they 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.439 don't do in this movie that they She normally starts 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.560 as Esther Blodge and they change her name to Vicky 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:13.240 Lester to make her like hot. But this time she 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.800 starts as Ali and we'd never find out her last name, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.280 and then they don't change her name, and then she's 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:25.480 all because she is that's important until her last name 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.120 is the man's last name. Well, and that's something that 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.280 happens every movie too. There's a few well can there's 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.280 a few things that happened in every version of A 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.480 Star is Born, and they're all regressive and we and 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:41.240 Cooper could have done something about it. Also, who heard 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.080 that Vicky was the fun like the fucuble name Vicky. 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:51.440 I'm Vicky Xon, shall I do the recap please? I'm 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.120 gonna not. I'm not going to do a good job 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.040 because I've only seen the movie once and I I 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.640 don't worry. You've got yet fill in the blanks. Okay, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:06.640 So we meet Jackson Maine. He's a country question Mark. 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:13.080 Well his songs sound a little bit like but people 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.640 love it. It's like country rock. He's like a Willie 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.440 Nelson of sorts. Yeah, but like hot and all the 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:20.960 he's such an alcoholic that all the blood is at 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.720 the surface of his face for the whole it's distracting. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.320 So we meet him. He is a famous musician, and 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.240 but not at his peak, not quite at his piece. 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:33.840 I don't know. He's already peeked and now he's on 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.960 his way down off the piece. He's playing festivals, right, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.240 but I think he's playing festivals because he's like a 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.840 legend in that sense. But he's at this point on 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.160 his way down. He's still famous, but right, he's not 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.800 at his peak anymore. He gets off of the gig, 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.360 he goes to a bar where there's a drag show. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.800 Literally goes to the Virgin and he goes to the Virginal, 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.680 a bar that we've all been at many many times. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:00.720 I eaten ship into that very microphone. It's wild. So 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:07.120 there he meets Ali Lady Gaga's character, Yes, and he's 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.120 smitten with her and he waits for her after the 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:18.280 show and peels off her tape eyebrow. His lives spoken 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:24.800 like out of context, you're like nobody now if he 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.480 wasn't a famous musician and just creepy drunk guy like 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.800 and we'll talk about that because that is certainly worth 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.200 talking about, or like a theme later was like could 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:42.240 I touch your nose? Like, oh my god, stop right. 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.120 So they hang out the rest of the night and 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.520 he finds out that she's an aspiring musician as well 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.520 punch a cop. She punches a cop. They go to 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.600 a grocery store to get some frozen peas about it. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.920 They are are bonding and he's like, hey, why don't 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.879 you come to this gig and she's like, no, I can't. 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:10.120 And then and then she goes, anyway, oh quick trailer talk, 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:15.359 so this is your specialty. I didn't I forgot the 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:26.760 famous much memed trailer moment of hey what that's how 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:34.879 I would the noise that goes that. She's like but 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.720 that is also spoken, and at least the Judy Garland version, 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.680 it's in the stressand one too. Oh is that's the 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.120 thing they pulled as well, that that whole just won't 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:47.280 take another look at you because I'm weird And every 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:51.920 other incarnation the actor in question separates the words. It 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.600 doesn't say the whole sentence as if it's one word. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.719 But that's just kind of the coops take on the sentences. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:02.239 It's just a word, and the word is one. Well, 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.919 it could be because he is drunk, because his character 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.200 is an aggressive alcoholic. Yes, but even but even when 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.720 he's sober, he's still still kind of slurring. You know 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.439 that scene at the piano where he's like just got 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.760 out of rehab, but he's like, yeah, playing with the 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:23.480 dog outside, like he still can't talk. Like all his 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.240 reactions are like sorry, he's so I mean, he's so famous, 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.359 no one will ever tell him. It's like I think 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.760 part of the like part of his character is like 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.560 he doesn't know he's weird to an extent because he's 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.119 been famous for so long that he just doesn't know 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:42.720 he's weird because everyone's like, oh, Jackson Maine, you're Simon 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:48.560 didties Jackson. You know. So basically they start to hang 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.160 or like the second time they hang out, she goes 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.000 on stage at one of his shows and like sings 0:18:54.119 --> 0:19:01.000 the song and that's the right, the iconic. Oh, and 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:10.080 then you go that road and array not very good, right, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:15.360 And he's like, otherwise I'll plagiarize. So I was like, well, 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:20.040 the steaks are there, they are right, Yeah, So she's 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.000 basically forced to go and sing her song on stage 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.920 with him, and this starts to kind of propel her 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.680 music career forward because people see it, and people take 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.600 video of it, and there's a bunch of YouTube views 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.479 and people start to take notice of her. And as 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:38.720 that's happening, they're developing a romantic relationship. And there's you know, 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.440 some struggles along the way because he again is a 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.879 little bit suffer like suffering from alcoholism. There's nothing like 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.159 having to always wait for your significant other to wake 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.240 up from his drunken stupor so you can hook up, right, Okay, 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:55.919 well I'll just wait till you wakept. It's h two 0:19:55.960 --> 0:20:01.800 pm tomorrow, okay, five am, Okay, cool, awesome. There's and 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.920 also Sam Elliott is Bradley Cooper's brother and he's thirty 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:07.840 years older. This is a plat point that never I 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.480 was like, why couldn't he Like why does the brother 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:16.360 have to be elderly? But he is. And sam Elian's 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:21.080 character is his like manager road dog buddy, and he's 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.080 always like, you need to take better care of your 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:29.120 hearing because Bradley Cooper's character's hearing is got tonight, Like say, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.560 I don't know that this is an Arizona farm boy accent, 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.439 but Sam Elliott talks the same fucking way Bradley Cooper does. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:38.840 Bradley Cooper is doing a Sam Elliott impersonation back to 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.280 Sam Elliot because Sam Elliott comes. There's one scene that 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.800 you can't make a word out the entire thing, but 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.159 Sam Elliott walks up with Bradley Cooper's hearing aid and 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:54.399 he's like Jack Copper. And then there's that one scene 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:56.840 when he walks up to punch him, and it's just 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.280 a shot of their two faces, like just right in 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:04.000 front of each other's artisting at each other. Are we doing? 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.879 This movie should have been subtitled for Drunken Men, like 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.480 their women do not get drunk in this movie. It 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.359 is only useless men who can get drunk it there, 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.560 and then later on I got confused. There was a 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.959 part where I was like, Sam Elliott works at SNL 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:24.440 now because she's on SNL, right, why is he there? 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.680 He said? He I thought I would stop on see 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.520 how she's doing. And he's like, what what's that? What? 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.320 Like you can't hear anything because he has he's damn it, 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.639 you know how like when you have tonighta's you can 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:42.600 just treat everyone in your life like trash um. So 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:46.440 then at some point Ali and Jack get married, but 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.760 he's showing no signs there. It's a whole thing, right 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:55.480 and Eddie Griffin, Eddie Griffin's also there. Yeah, he rolls 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.800 through everyone's at the wedding. Andrew Dice Clay is Allie's dad, 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.240 explains YouTube video counts at one point it's a great movie. 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.360 He's like, you know, for everyone doubts how many people 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:09.600 seen it? I wanted two hundred times. I was like, oh, 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.200 this is great. It's unclear. I'm still not sure where 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:14.720 this movie is supposed to be taking place. I do. 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.800 I've reached the conclusion it's Los Angeles, Yes, I believe so, 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.280 But why they're they're talking like newsies. I thought she 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:23.720 was upstate New York because they all have New York accents. 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.240 But then they get on a motorcycle go to Arizona 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:28.720 like twenty minutes and they get there like two seconds. 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:30.960 List I'm like, they didn't drive across the country. And 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:33.200 then when Lady Gaga goes in the house, she's like, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:38.240 what the button exactly, like this is not New Yorker. 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.720 Think her accent comes and goes like it's nothing, And 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.399 let me introduce you to the concept of moving. People 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:50.200 sometimes move from one location to another expand on this period. 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:54.560 I don't know, there's inconsistency where But then she made 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:56.359 it sound like they had lived in that house her 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:58.879 whole life, Like she's like, da, how many times do 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:01.960 you carry the piano for me? Oh my god. Okay, 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:03.800 so this has been a thing. A star is born 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.119 in the mystery of where Lady Gaga's character lives starts 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.640 a hilarious debate among film critics. Okay, so this has 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.640 been a point of contention. We don't know where anyone's from. 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.000 I don't think that's how people from Arizona sound, but 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:16.040 I'm not very well. I was also trying to gauge 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.399 where they lived together in that house of his. Is 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.600 that like supposed to be like the Hollywood Hills or something? 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.840 I thought, okay, because at one point she goes like, 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:25.840 I have to play the Forum tonight. Will you meet 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:27.440 me there? And then she leaves, so it's like, clearly 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:33.080 if you're somewhere else he lives, like l ash or something. 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:34.879 I don't know. She's like, oh, meet me at the 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:40.040 Forum and right and then and then he says hey, 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:47.120 he says, I don't want but this time it's sad 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:51.760 because he's going to kill him. Okay, so sorry. As 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:55.320 she's advancing in her career, he is, you know, still 0:23:55.440 --> 0:24:01.040 drinking a lot. He becomes verbally abusive different points. He's jealous. Um, 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.879 he rubs a bagel on her face. There's lot of 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.920 icing ends up on face. Brad like Cooper's got I'll 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:09.560 go on the record. He's got a thing with the 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:11.359 cake on the face. There's a lot of cake in 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:15.680 the face in the movie. Every top Bill character gets 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:17.760 some cake on the face. Day of Chappelle gets cake 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.160 in the face. I don't know if Eddie Griffin gets 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:26.760 cake in the fast. So then she wins a Grammy 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.840 because she's become so famous, she's at that point in 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.320 her career. It was a nice touch that Lady Gaga 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:35.320 dressed like a Grammy because that's what Lady Gaga would do. Yeah, 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:37.800 her dress is like a Grammy dress. But at this 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:43.200 Awards ceremony, Jack is so drunk that he like stumbles 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.680 up onto the stage and then pisces himself, like on 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:51.120 camera on the stage and watching now, I don't know why. 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.560 I was like, first, sure, Bradley Cooper method pepe himself, 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:59.800 but it's definitely a post PEP. It's a I kind 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.080 of how to tube, like a tube of those like 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.119 we're going to excessively PP. I don't know, you know 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.399 how you can just sort of tell, Well, I'm a hacker, 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.720 so I can tell when things are computer but I'm 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:13.200 pretty sure it was computer PP. He wouldn't actually have 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.639 pped himself, No, I think maybe he tried, but he 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.480 got a nerve. I thought there was like a little pepee, 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.520 little two PP. I think it was a practical effect. 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.840 I think, really I feel that way. I feel like 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.359 this is this is what I love about movies Like this, 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.080 someone knows or someone that's in the process of trying 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.159 to find out what the deal with the PP is. 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:38.640 Bradley Cooper is known for being a practical effect genius hangout. 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:42.879 He was James Cameron. He all that face. He just 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.320 laid in the sun for ten hours for that facial. 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.399 Whatever was going on is a bloated red face the 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.960 whole time. Yeah, I love it. Okay. So at the 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.920 award ceremony, he p's himself and then he's like, oh crap, 0:25:55.000 --> 0:26:03.960 I've hit rock bottom. Better go to hit the rock 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:10.119 of Peppy. So he goes to rehab and Ali's all like, 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.520 I still love you. We can make this work. You're 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:14.480 going to come back home, right, And he's like, oh yeah, 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:18.560 I think so. She way over dresses to go to rehab. Yeah. 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:23.800 I didn't think her outfit was appropriate for rehab. He 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:28.520 gets back home, he's in recovery and her manager, whose 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:34.399 name is rez Gavrin, I believe British villain, British twink 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:39.840 villain off head of you. And then she's like in 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.920 her Scott records and he literally goes over to probably 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.439 Cooper's house. He's like, I would be real help if 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:51.159 you killed He basically tells Jack that he has ruined 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.040 Lady Guga's career and that they've had to do like 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:58.159 so much damage control. So Jack this prompts him to 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:04.600 commit suicide Fish so it's like the the British Guy. 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.840 And then there's like a tribute song at the end 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.560 where she's like, I'm Ali Maine and she sings a 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:17.640 song and everyone's sad. This is original, the actual Let's 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.160 take a quick break and we'll come back and watch 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.200 A Star is Born again. Let's take a quick break 0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:32.920 and then we will be right back and we're back. Okay, 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.240 So where do we want to begin with this? Because 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:37.600 I just have so many thoughts I don't know where 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.520 to start. Well, I personally would like to draw attention 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:46.240 to Jack's behavior in the beginning of the movie, where 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.680 I think we can apply the Bushemi test to this, 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:54.119 where early on he's apply that not super like you 0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:56.800 were saying, like the not super famous guy. I think 0:27:56.840 --> 0:28:00.080 if someone that hot who was a nobody was doing 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.880 that ship people would also not be having it. Sure. 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:07.200 I mean, basically, after they've met, for they've known each 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.840 other for less than twenty four hours, he's like, Hey, 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.200 come to my gig tonight, and she's like, I can't. 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.040 I have to work. No thanks, and he's like please though, 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.480 and she's like, no, I can't. She's telling him no 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.920 several times. Then he sends his driver to her house 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.040 to pick her up to follow her right um, and 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:28.040 then she's like no, I can't. But then eventually she 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:31.520 decides to get on this private jet and go to 0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:35.400 this gig after all. Uh. And then a few scenes later, 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:39.040 she's sleeping in her bed and she wakes up and 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.120 Jack is there and she's like, how why are you here? 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.800 And he's like, oh, your dad let me in here. 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.720 I am. So this is like, Dice, what are you doing? 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:52.040 I respect your daughta. What the are you doing? That 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.000 a good line read by Dice. We have to remember 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.640 he is one of comedies most notorious misogynists, one of 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.280 the most successful misogynists in the entire industry. Good for 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.800 him though. He did a couple of goods my daught Yeah, 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.360 he had a great lines beginning. Take a look at 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.960 her To all his buddies, you know, some with the 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.880 most talent, they just don't make it. It was like, 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:21.120 you fucking assho. Literally after she comes home starts cleaning 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:24.280 up after him and his gross friends. Although I think 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:29.280 It was a super producer, Sophie, who said, uh, Dice 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:32.719 is squatted in every scene in this movie. He's got 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.440 like no less than four old men with him, just 0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:38.680 like being like, Dice is the fucking I think that's 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.720 his like real life entourage. He's like, I don't come 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.560 on set with less than four fucking gross dudes. I 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.640 think though probably I could not figure out that was 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.720 Dice to save my life because I realized I had 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:54.240 never seen andrewdies Clay's eyes because he always wears his sunglasses, 0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:56.640 and that was fucking me up until the last same 0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:58.440 of the credits, and I'm like, is that andrewdiese Clay? 0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:00.960 And I like felt like a fucking idiot. It really 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:02.400 actually took me out of the film a little. It 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:04.480 took a couple of scenes to figure out it was Dice, 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.600 which is too bad because I think that all of 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.160 us right now could play his girlfriend and a thing 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.760 about the right age. My boyfriend is Andrew night Anna 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:20.120 my daddy. But you know what I mean, I'm so 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:24.200 sorry about that funked up stuff I said. But in 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:29.880 any case, the behavior the Bradley Cooper's character is doing 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:34.880 is troubling. It's stockery. It's predatory, but because he is 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:39.920 a man with fame and power and influence, she's like, oh, 0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:45.000 how romantic. So I was truly surprised how quickly they 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.160 just started making out. I was like, really, that girl, 0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:48.920 I don't mean, you don't really know much about him 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.840 on the knees a famous person and seems drunk as fuck. 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.960 They I feel like they try to work around that 0:30:56.400 --> 0:31:00.760 by saying like, oh, she does at least go to work, 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.360 but then someone's like, you're fucking late, and she's like, 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:07.320 I fucking quit, and then she gets in the limit 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:11.240 that followed her. I don't know. I didn't. This is 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:15.240 kind of like the inception of this relationship changes. I 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.480 think there's versions of it where it's done better in 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.320 past stars, and there's also versions where it's like way creepier. 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.880 But they're the first two stars born. Happens between actors. 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:30.960 This one and the Strisan one are musicians, but it 0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:34.560 usually starts with like them they meet she's a little 0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:37.080 girl from nowhere who just moved to Hollywood to become 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:40.440 a big staw and she's an extra and she's a 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.600 waitress in the whole bit, and then he like gets 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:47.960 her an audition, which is less creepy than sending someone 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:51.880 in a in a vehicle to follow her around. Um yeah, 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:53.920 I feel like they're really trying to push the like 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:57.960 this is an undeniable love situation, but that didn't work 0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.239 for me. Like I I didn't believe that they were 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.560 like undeniably attracted to each other, and we're just being 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.760 pulled without their control to each other. And that's why 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.040 they started, like, you know, almost hooking up almost immediately. 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.120 Like I didn't trust the way it was done in 0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.320 the movie. I didn't believe it necessarily. There's so much 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:15.720 in all of these stories, but speaking to like the 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:20.680 eighteen one as well, that like there's so many elements 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.240 of this story that go completely unexplored, and I think that, 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.040 like one of the greatest weaknesses of this story is 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.640 that it is like sort of doesn't give it's the 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.320 star who is born a k a. The one woman 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:36.600 in the movie who talks really enough, not even like 0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:38.680 it's like Lady Guy was very present in this movie, 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:40.959 but there are certain elements of her personality that are 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:46.760 totally unexplored because this character that esther Bladget or Ali 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.400 who fucking knows is like the woman who stands by 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.840 her man, and it's like the message of this whole 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.840 franchise is like, hey, if you're in a relationship with 0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:01.960 an abusive alcoholic hanging there, maybe he'll die. Like it's 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:05.200 just not good. But but there's a few like, Okay, 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:07.600 some things that occurred to me. And I haven't done 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.280 a lot of reading about this Star is Born, just 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:15.000 because I just I've been too busy watching it over 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.440 and over. But some things that occurred to me about 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:22.600 Ali and Jackson's relationship that we never addressed, aside from 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.440 being in a relationship with an addict, which we can 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.240 get to because that is like weight glassed over, like 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.640 he was mean to her one time, Like that's not 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:37.120 how I know. But one thing that's never touched on is, 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.200 you know, the power dynamics in this relationship from the 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.920 jump are off, and they're off in every incarnation of 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.640 this story. And so I don't I mean, I don't 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:49.440 even know where a land on this. But there's some 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.600 times where I'm in the story and I'm like, well, 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:56.800 Ali like probably would feel weird leaving him early in 0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:00.360 that relationship, even though he's clearly a fucking mess, even 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:02.440 if she does like him because her entire career is 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.840 dependent on him, which is a power dynamic he introduced. 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:08.759 But you know, it's I think that that adds some 0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:12.480 complexity to her character. If it's not just like she's 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.040 so in love with him and she can't leave because 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:16.600 she loves him so much. It's like, well, what if 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.359 she sort of wants to leave but her entire career 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.480 is tethered to this one person. Like that's something that 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:24.520 happens in the first half of the movie that I 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:26.920 thought would have been at least interesting to acknowledge. But 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.160 that power dynamic is never They're like, well, they love 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.719 each other and correct me if I'm wrong, But I 0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:34.880 don't think he ever does anything to like promise that 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:37.840 he's gonna, like uplift her career and get her to 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.040 where that doesn't happen, right, He's always like, I'll get 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.800 too far. He does, he does that and in the 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:46.720 other versions, but I mean, it still feels pretty heavily implied, 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:49.840 like if she left that tour, it's not like she 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.600 could just you know, like I think the story would 0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.480 have you believe she needs to be on tour with 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.400 him at the beginning, and you know, establish herself as 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.279 his sort of like right hand singer before she can 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:03.839 become you know, and meets everybody she has to meet 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:05.400 and then she can take off on her own. But 0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:08.719 she couldn't have technically started on this path in this 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.800 story without him. And that's like to sort of a 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.879 dynamic that they don't acknowledge at all. Right, And I'm 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:19.520 not saying that this thing happens in this I'm not 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.880 familiar enough with the other ones to know if this happens, 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:26.560 but like it's reminiscent of situations where someone like Harvey 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:31.920 Weinstein targets a young up and comer who's like, I'll 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:34.799 take you far if you just come to my hotel room, 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.439 or you know, like making promises, and what they're really 0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:42.840 doing is just manipulating and abusing and ruining their lives. 0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.239 They felt like sorry, there was a selfishness to his 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.319 behavior in the sense that he actually didn't want her 0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:53.719 to grow beyond being a singer with him, right, And 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:55.719 that's when he starts to get the kid. That's when 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:59.120 the cake is in the face when she starts to 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.239 out achieve him, and she does call him out and 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:05.759 was like, you're jealous, but it's like, I do like 0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.640 the part where she lets him headbutt a TV or 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:11.560 she's like, you want to play? Lest fucking play? And 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.160 then he had butt the TV and she's like it 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.200 just like passes out into it. Yeah, and then she 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:17.880 gets the cake off her face, she goes, what the 0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:22.399 fund is this? This? I did want to see more? 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.279 Sad thing is like a lot of her attitude came 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:26.920 out in the beginning and then sort of just became 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:30.000 passive at the end, Like she didn't defend herself, shen 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:32.080 stand up for herself. She just kind of went along 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.160 with what people told her to do. Thing Like, she 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.640 doesn't have much agency in this story. She things happened 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:41.000 to her, but she's not necessarily I mean you could say, like, 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:44.120 you know, the the hard work she's put into being 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.239 a singer and you know, working on her craft, but 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.920 we don't really see that. The story picks up basically 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.560 right before she's propelled to start them, so right, I mean, 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:54.880 we at least get the moment of like we know 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.120 she's good enough, she has what it takes. It's not 0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.239 like they need to fake her talent at any point, right, 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.240 which I appreciate it, it's not like, what's that fucking 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:07.640 movie with Meryl Streep and Hugh Grant Florence Foster Jenkins. 0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:12.359 It's not a Florence Foster Jenkins sitch, right, But yeah, 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.760 but everything happens to her. Yeah, so she's not necessarily 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:20.240 going out and making active choices, and arguably that's because 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.520 it's Bradley Cooper's character who's the protagonist of the story, 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:25.600 who's driving the narrative. But it would still be nice 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.759 to like to see her, I don't know, just be 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.360 more active in the pursuit of something. But it's a 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.080 lot of stuff happening to her and her kind of 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:38.120 rolling with the punches. It does seem like there's this 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.840 overall like male savior vibe throughout the entire film. It 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:44.279 like it's very broad because it starts with him, you know, 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.600 giving her her first break to like that guy being 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.880 like I'll make you know, signing Interscope Records, and then 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:51.759 it ends with him killing himself because he's like, I'm 0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:54.320 doing this for you so you can go on and 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:58.680 live your life without being drinking myself. Yeah, Like I'm 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:00.920 here for like this is all because of you. I'm 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:02.640 trying to make your life better and it's like she 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.440 could have easily have succeeded fine and gotten her life 0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:07.960 together as you have not killed yourself. And also it's 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:13.080 she could have divorces like there's there's there's a lot 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:16.839 of like missed like things that you're like, you would 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:19.840 think that it would go more challenge but just doesn't. 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.200 Which is I mean, I don't know, I still love 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.800 the movie so much, so hard, but but there's so 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.640 there's so much where it's like she really doesn't have 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.560 another element. Okay, another I think we've already talked about 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:34.520 this because we've been talking about this movie for a week. 0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.640 Where Ali does. I mean, we see the sort of 0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:42.799 song she's writing at the beginning, she's ah, and then 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:45.480 when she becomes a pop star that goes away and 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:46.759 all of a sudden she's like, why would it the 0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:51.799 that that it's all the time they're good, but they change, right, 0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:56.120 she becomes a pop star, and there's one scene because 0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:59.640 she does she sells out immediately, which is not even 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:02.279 a moment on the character because we don't really know 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:04.400 her well enough to know what her code of ethics 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:08.120 with this is. But you know, the British guy is 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.280 like you go to die your hand and learn to dance, 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.320 and so she does. And then there's one scene, the 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.920 one scene in their entire relationship where Bradley Cooper is 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:21.120 an alcoholic and mean to her. He comes in, she's 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:24.880 in her fucking grammy bathtub or whatever, and he is 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.759 He's like, so, what we're singing songs about s now? 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:33.279 Which is which is like one of the only good 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.800 points he makes in the entire movie that goes totally unexploited. 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.239 Like he points out, like, hey, you have changed a lot, 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:44.120 and you are. And he's saying that partially because he's jealous, 0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:47.279 but also there is an element to that character, yeah, 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.439 where he's like a pure artist or whatever he thinks 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:52.720 he is, and he looks down at people who aren't 0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:56.000 like that. Should have approached it differently because also in 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:59.120 that conversation, he's telling her that she's ugly and that 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:02.160 she has no talent. She's an embarrassment now because of 0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:06.080 how she's taken her opportunity and like used it to 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.880 become this pop star or just mostly I don't know, 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:11.960 I guess let go of her true inner musician to 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.800 cater to people who will give her that kind of attention. 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.600 In money and you know which isn't I think that's 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:23.360 a really interesting theme that they drop after that Like that, 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:27.759 it's just because as flawed and bad and as much 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:29.960 of a sign of like, this is a toxic relationship 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:33.000 as that scene is. He makes that point and she's like, no, 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:35.799 that's my song. I wrote it. It's great, and then 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.120 it's like, but we know that it's I don't know. 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:39.799 That was one thing where I was like, that would 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.680 have been another interesting element to this character. But the 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.640 story is so committed to making her a perfect angel 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.200 that she's a boring character. Sure. I would also real 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.480 quick argue that there's some gratuitous nudity in that scene, 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:54.280 because why does it take in place in a bathtub 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:55.719 and then she stands up out of it and you're like, 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.320 see her whole naked body, just a quick glimpse of it. 0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:03.840 But it's like, that's even the past stars bathtubs a lot. Okay, 0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:06.359 Like the actual scene where she's putting on makeup on him, 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:09.319 like that happened in the stridesand vers and I think 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:13.120 it happened in the Garland does on the version also 0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:16.359 argue that we didn't necessarily need that nudity in that moment, 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:18.800 but maybe I'm just approved. I decayed it, but I 0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.160 can't wait to print it on iTunes and pose it. 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:26.080 So another thing that I thought could have been explored 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:30.239 far more that wasn't is the sort of pressure that 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:34.960 is placed upon usually women in the entertainment industry to 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.400 change the way they look and cater to a specific 0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:42.800 image that like whatever studio or record label is voisting 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:46.239 upon them. Because early on in the film, Ali is 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.920 talking to Jack. I think it's like the night that 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:52.719 they first meet, and she's describing right, She's like, oh, 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.640 you know, I haven't gotten my break in this industry yet, 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.120 because you go into these rooms and there's all these 0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.200 men looking at you and they tell you that you 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.520 sound great, but you don't look great. And she expresses 0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.640 some insecurities about her nose and stuff like that. So 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.080 she's talking about this and then she gets her big 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.080 break and it starts to work out, but then her 0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:15.000 manager is like, we need you to dye your hair 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:19.080 blonde and don't tell the dances not to go on stage. 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:21.319 To build on that point, it was almost as if 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.920 they couldn't acknowledge that her looks didn't matter until she 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.480 got signed off by another man to be like, hey, 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:31.480 well I approve and then they're like yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:35.320 But the entertainment industry has like a very long, troubling 0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:39.960 history of like shaping women into, you know, the person 0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:43.320 that whatever studio wants them to be. For example, you 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.680 can take a look at Judy Garland's career where she 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:49.920 was like forced pills to like keep her thin, to 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:53.840 keep her peppy and eight years right, and then you 0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:58.279 know there's other Garland was also famously molested by Louis B. 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:02.880 Mayer himself when she was like thirteen or fourteen years olds. 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:07.640 So it's like, but yeah, different, you know the studios 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:11.520 network's record labels, you don't have an image in mind 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:15.320 for you know, whatever young anginue they are trying to 0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:18.200 build into a superstar, and they basically decide, Okay, here's 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:20.920 what you look like, here's what you're gonna wear, here's 0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:25.640 what you're going to act like. And I think, right, 0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:28.160 I think the movie could have explored that a lot more. 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.200 But especially it's not the story, I guess, especially because 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:34.400 it's like you have Lady Gaga here, you have a 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:39.040 fucking expert on this topic in the room. She can 0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:42.840 tell you, but I don't know. This is. This is 0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:48.840 also I believe this is the only version of this 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:52.440 script that is written entirely by men. There's usually at 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:56.400 least one woman involved, but this is There's a lot 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.319 of themes that go like surface explored, Like I think 0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:01.800 that they're trying trying to make a statement by like 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:06.080 Lady Gaga's nose, but then she's famous anyways, and like cool, 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:10.439 but it is it's also surface where she basically still 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:12.759 ends up folding to all of their demands and that 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.120 ends up working out in her favor. There's really no 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:18.600 consequence for that happening, So like, what's the comment, like 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.800 do it? There is a part in her smart and 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:25.160 I think that like she does kind of decide to 0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:26.799 just give it and take it into her own hands 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:28.840 and be like, fine, I'm going to do all this, 0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:30.880 but I'm going to do it my own way, Like 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:32.920 when they said, oh, make your hair plan and Blonde's like, no, 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:36.080 I'll do orange, which is weird choice. But there is 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.240 things that I think like, oh, well, she was actually 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:41.360 like even though it wasn't necessarily the right choice and 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:44.120 it was selling out, she made the choice to sell out, 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.120 which was like, I don't even care that this character 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.160 sells out. I'm not even critical of her for that. 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.080 But it's like they don't even talk about that, they 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:53.160 don't even look at that, just like they're like, well, 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:55.120 this is what happened. I'm like, but this is the 0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:57.040 star who's born. Why don't we get to here where 0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.560 she'd think about nothing? Right? It's so the whole thing 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:03.440 is it's about this woman, but the whole story unfolds 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:07.040 from the point of view of men around. Yeah, you 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:09.480 have to see I mean, you know, as much as 0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.840 I love seeing Bradley Cooper and Sam Elliott crying together 0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:17.040 in like three different scenes, it's like, okay, we uh, 0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:19.319 there's there's there's there's so much I mean. And then 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:21.880 the last big note I had for things that go 0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:26.000 unexplored in Ali's character is her relationship to her father 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:29.520 where there's a scene that I find so frustrating with 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:33.720 Ali and Dice, uh towards the end of the movie, 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:38.279 and it's after Jackson Pepete himself and now he's in 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:40.720 rehab and she's like, eat us up a breakfast. Sorry, 0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:44.640 I'm stressed. The whole thing and Dice it's already been 0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:50.240 acknowledged several times that Dice is also an alcoholic seems 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:53.040 to have had a drinking problem. That tracks in terms 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.640 of like, you know, children of alcoholics very often end 0:45:56.760 --> 0:46:03.960 up with alcoholics. R I p me, but um, but 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:07.160 the same though. Yeah, I mean it's it's we've got 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:10.560 we've got evidence in the room. Uh. But he starts 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:13.719 to apologize to her, starts to be like, I'm sorry 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:16.719 I wasn't a better father to you. And I think 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:20.520 her character acts, I mean, it makes sense that this 0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:22.520 would be a conversation that would happen, But in terms 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:24.600 of moving the plot forward, I found it very frustrating 0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:27.520 because she's like, it's totally fine, It's totally fine. You 0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:30.000 were supportive of my music career. You carried my piano 0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:33.279 up the stairs once, and you like paid attention to 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.760 me in that way. It's fine. You didn't do anything. 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:38.960 And then Dice goes, you're the best person in the 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:42.160 world kidding me. Something I know, you know, just throughout 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:43.839 a lot of movies or just even in real life, 0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:46.359 is that women, no matter what, even if we get 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.120 the abuse and we have to take it, we still 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:49.560 have to be the ones to make sure the men 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.080 are okay, right, It's like she's the one going through it, 0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:54.680 but she's still reassuring her father that he's okay, making 0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:57.920 sure he eats. It's like she literally had to go 0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:01.000 on the Grammy stage and while her Ben Pete himself 0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:03.880 and she was like, we're having a lot of fun tonight. 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:06.279 Like that was the most cringe worthy moment where you're 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:09.160 just trying to just like keep your ship together for 0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:15.000 your trash ass. She's so accommodating, and it's it is frustrating. 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.880 It's like these people around you are fucking up and 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.880 you're just taking care of them and like not reacting 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:22.560 to it. And if that's a part of who your 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.480 character is, fine, but like show us that and show 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:29.040 us that it causes her pain outside of like you 0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:32.160 hurt me, which happens like three times. Yeah, at that 0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:34.520 moment where she forgave him, I was like you need 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:38.640 to slap him across the face because you hurt me, 0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:45.320 and him being like taken Jesus Christ, And that's like 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.960 another like if if this movie was a different kind 0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:53.040 of movie, it could have explored the dynamics of an 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:55.440 abusive relationship where it's not like if you're in an 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.919 abusive relationship. It's out of the question that someone would 0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:01.040 say something really fucked up to you and you would 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:05.480 say I forgive you to avoid further conflict. But it's 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:08.360 presented to us as like they love each other and 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:11.239 they're working through some stuff. But that doesn't, I mean, 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.440 in context, seemed to be the reality of this relationship 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:17.480 at all. Also a question, uh that goes back to 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.960 our Fifty Shades episode, what amount of time does this 0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:23.400 movie take place at? No, that is a good question. 0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:26.480 I think two years max. The only time that we 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:28.560 know has passed is when he says he's been at 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:30.759 rehab for two months. That is the only time really 0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:36.560 acknowledged time time twenty four hours where they meet and 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:39.759 then a few hours later she's on a private jet 0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:42.440 to go to his gig and sting with him on stage. 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.960 It's crazy. We got to take a quick break, but 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:53.600 let's explore this more when we return. And we're back, 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:58.359 I have a quick comment about juxon Main's character um 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:03.040 compared to pass versions of this character. The first one 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.960 is Norman Maine, I believe the second one is also 0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:09.960 Norman Maine. And then does Christopherson have like a weird 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:14.399 John Harman Howard they're all variants, and then Jackson Maine 0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.439 all variants in the same name Bradley Cooper's. I think 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:21.759 one of the adjustments made that I don't even know 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:23.440 how I feel about it. I think it's just kind 0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:26.480 of like it makes sense, but it also creates a 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:28.880 lot of problems. That we've been talking about is that 0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:33.960 Bradley's Jackson Maine is of the four, by far the 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.200 least despicable version of this character and by far the 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:42.919 most lovable, because the previous three are drunk in ways 0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:45.680 that are more violent. I believe in the first one 0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:50.759 she literally is hit uh in in the straisand one 0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:54.759 he cheats on her. There's like more clear implications of like, 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:57.839 this is not a good guy, which makes it more 0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.480 frustrating at the end where she's like I have him, 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:05.800 but also creates, I mean, a more disgustable relationship or 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:10.000 a more real relationship that could actually have happened, where 0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:13.640 Bradley Cooper is sort of Jackson Mane presented as like, 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:15.640 as far as we know, he never cheats on her, 0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:17.360 as far as we know, he is mean to her 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:20.600 one time, and and there's a cake in the face 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:22.760 but he's pretty good natured about everything and he stays 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:27.760 generally supportive. I I feel like, just based on talking 0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:30.000 to my my friends about it last night, because I 0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:31.960 was like, oh, I wonder, like, what the Because I 0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:33.920 think if you left any of the first three, no 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:35.800 matter how you feel about it, you leave being like 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:38.400 it sucks that he killed himself, but he was a 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:42.320 bad guy and he he wanted to hurt her, you know, 0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:45.480 And in this one, I think you leave like Bradley Cooper, 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.640 it was so nice, but so like they make adjustments 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:53.080 to the character, they kind of neutralize It makes it 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:55.440 harder to criticize him. And I don't even know how 0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:58.319 I feel about that, but it's just weird. A lot 0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:01.200 of that also feels like the reason Bradley Cooper's like 0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.000 the worst he gets is, you know, being on stage 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:06.200 and you know, berating her a little while she's in 0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:09.400 the bathtubs. That also just feels like the industry working 0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:11.399 behind Bradley Cooper to be like, well, I mean, you'll 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:13.120 be a shitty drunk, but we're not going to have 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:14.919 you hit her because we don't want people to see 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:17.160 you in that nature. You know, Like there's something working 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:20.480 there where Bradley has that control over how his character 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:24.239 like as how evil his character can be. So it's 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:28.000 like you're, yeah, like you come away from watching this 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:31.080 relationship different than any of the other three, where you're 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:34.920 you it's almost like cheesier and sweeter than any of 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.279 the other ones, where he's the best guy out of 0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:41.120 all of them, but he's still awful And I don't 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.160 even know, it's just like it was a change that 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:46.160 I get why, Like, obviously I'm not like man, I 0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:51.239 wish he hit Lady Gaga, but because like his alcoholism 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:54.680 is portrayed in such a it's more like goofy and 0:51:54.760 --> 0:52:00.520 embarrassing than dangerous and harmful. In the way it's portrayed, 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:02.920 it just kind of it just makes it bizarre. And 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:04.840 it's not I mean, not that movies have to be 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:07.399 a realistic portrayal of everything, but it just the way 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:11.440 that relationship is. You leave kind of still liking him 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:13.879 anyway that I don't think that character is supposed to work. 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:17.720 And and you touch on this where like him committing 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:22.759 suicide is like this act of sacrifice and he's doing 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:24.680 it for her, and it also makes him seem like 0:52:24.760 --> 0:52:28.200 kind of a martyr and almost heroic, where it is 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:32.759 like a pretty irresponsible way to frame suicidality. I do 0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:38.200 appreciate that the movie does acknowledge alcoholism as a disease 0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:41.960 because addiction, addiction is a mental illness, and I think 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:43.880 that a lot of people still don't quite realize that, 0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:46.680 and that's because of the stigma surrounding mental illness and 0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.000 things like that. At least, I mean, could it have 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:52.680 been explored more sure, especially because that's a huge component 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:56.359 of this movie. Was one conversation with just one line 0:52:56.440 --> 0:53:01.520 where persons then the line is it's a there. I 0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:04.840 did love that, Like I should have broken up with 0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:06.680 him in that scene, but she doesn't. She just goes 0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:08.960 it's a disease. That's what is really frustrating to me 0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:11.560 about this movie is that even though he is not 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:14.840 the worst of all the renditions of this character, he 0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:17.600 still mistreats her. He still puts her in positions where 0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:20.800 she's constantly worrying and suffering and all this stuff. And like, 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:23.719 and maybe this is just the cynic in me where 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.719 I'm like, she should have lift him and like not 0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:29.640 put up with this bullshit. But like I wish the 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.560 ending that we saw to this movie is rather than 0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:36.000 him killing himself, she leaves him and she goes on 0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:41.760 her own path and been a great like updated version 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:43.520 of how the story goes, because that is like a 0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:46.480 convention of he always kills himself. The first two he 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:50.879 runs into the ocean drama and he like drives really 0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:53.040 crazy and then gets in a car accident. Everything. I 0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:55.680 don't even think it's like technically a suit I don't know. 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.800 It's basically the boyfriend husband of Barbara streisand who is 0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:01.359 producing it, said he can't kill himself because that would 0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:02.759 make him weak, so it has to be like an 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:06.920 unintentional death, which is like yeah, so the third one 0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:09.239 and technically at suicide, but that was like cannon to 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:11.919 the story that he kills himself and then she goes 0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:15.560 to a function and says, I miss his mane and 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:18.759 that's we love that. That's when we find out what 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:20.880 her last name is. It's the last name of the 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.680 man um. Sorry, is this the only one that he 0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:27.440 goes to rehab? Usually he goes to jail, jail, usually 0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:30.000 he does in the first stress and I don't think. 0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:33.440 I don't know the Streisan one, the streisand one I 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:35.440 think is the only version where he cheats on her 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:39.600 right and then in the first two the husband does 0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:43.200 something drunken disorderly and goes to jail and she has 0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:45.480 to bail him out of jail. So I think that 0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:49.000 that's version of they all have like a Grammy Awards 0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:53.040 Show meltdown, though oscars are Grammy's. Yeah, Okay. The bottom 0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:57.600 line is updates were made to the various renditions of 0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:00.040 this story, so I think an update could have and 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:02.040 done to the ending where he doesn't kill himself and 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:04.000 instead she's like, I'm not going to put up with 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.120 your behavior anymore and the ship that you put me 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:10.560 through goodbye. And then they meet up ten years later 0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:13.680 and he's like, I've been sober for ten years. You 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:22.600 get back together and whatever, or they don't and she 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:25.879 does the thing where she tries her face. I keep 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.239 doing that my boy friend's face. He doesn't like it. 0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:36.799 I'm just like a face tracer. It's not who hasn't 0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:38.440 seen the sore as. You can't just do that to 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:41.640 someone and CVS when they're not expecting. You cannot do that. 0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:46.319 It's bad. Uh, just like a quick face trace. But yes, 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:48.960 I totally agree that like a version of this where 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.160 she leaves him would have been so effective or if 0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:56.000 if if they're like no, she absolutely cannot leave him, 0:55:56.200 --> 0:56:02.640 then explore why other than she loves him. That sinister 0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:08.800 Another thing that I was apparted with feminist icon Alice 0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:12.640 Wetterland because it just I need to talk to everyone 0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:16.200 I encounter about a star's board now has her take 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:18.520 on I think that's a good point about the nature 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:23.719 of suicidality, of the way the British manager comes at 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:26.960 Bradley Cooper's character at the end and it's like kill yourself? 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:31.040 Does he literally? I mean, that's that's that whole scene. 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.399 And she made the point of, like, you know, someone 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:38.360 with suicidal tendencies, it just excuse what that actually is 0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:41.960 and makes it bizarre of like, you know, someone committing 0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:46.759 suicide very suddenly, it's usually prompted by something small and 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:50.200 like it's it wouldn't just be like, I don't know, 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:53.919 spreading the idea that suicidality is spread by someone saying 0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:58.560 kill yourself is just a total misrepresentation of what that 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:02.400 sort of depression is like. It's usually something like and 0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:04.680 and that could have so easily happened in that same 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:08.000 scene where it seems more likely, like the the some 0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:11.680 like a manager like that would be like passive aggressive 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:15.040 and pretending to be nice. And maybe that is something 0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:17.280 that triggers him because he understands that I don't know 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:20.240 it was so this movie is over the top. The movie. 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:23.600 It does set up that he has had suicidal ideation 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:27.080 before when he was a much younger guy. But yeah, 0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:30.440 I think that it was not handled the most responsibly. 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:32.400 I think that what happens at the end of this 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:37.440 movie is like a very nineteen fifties understanding of suicidal ideation. 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:43.880 The cowboy hat. His character hasn't evolved from that era. 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:47.440 Like his character is still like the gruff, Right, I 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:49.920 have to wear socks, my shoes, you know, I'm a man, 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:55.040 Like he does no drink. He's yeah, he's not. He's 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:58.439 not progressive in any manner, Like he's still the old guys, 0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:01.160 Like he didn't go to the women's arch. Yea, yeah, 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:06.960 where's your pussy hat? Bradley, I like that last shot, 0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:09.960 puts his hat down and he's like, all right, I'm 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:12.479 laying this down for the last time. It is such 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:16.200 and he's drunk. He dies drunk, uh like pills. He's 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:21.840 something he definitely mists stoggering he's stogg yeah, and then 0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:26.000 it ends with this is pretty consistent across the four. 0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:30.680 The star whom is born is depressed and then has 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:34.360 asked to do a function in which she sings song, 0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:38.680 and then she introduces herself as missus. I think in 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:40.880 the first two it's Mrs Norman Maine, like, she doesn't 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:43.800 even use any of her names, so this one, she 0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:47.720 saysn't it it's my name is Ali Maine, defining herself 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:52.080 as she relates to a man, right, I mean, which 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:54.640 wouldn't bother me as much if we knew it. Her 0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:58.440 maiden name was I never had a last name. Husband 0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:01.280 was one of those people that switch exactly what she says, 0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:07.760 um and Ali critique not a critique, world critique. There 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:10.760 are no women in Alle's life at all, and this 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:15.000 is not addressed once well. Interestingly enough, she relates most 0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:18.560 to the women in drag that she works with at 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:23.880 the beginning, or their men in dragons. Drags are drag queens, 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:28.600 drag queens. Yes, she worked at the drag bar, and 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:31.800 then it's clear that she's known the drag queens for 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.040 a long time. And then she has Oh, what's the 0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:39.400 name of her friend? Oh, Ramon is Ali's friend. He's 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:43.280 an ally to Ali, if you will, former former Hamilton's actor, 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:48.360 really only the best in a stars born. Oh my god. Wow, 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:52.480 he's good for him and he's also he's a part 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:56.000 of that system that like pushes her to go and yeah, 0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:58.600 he encourages her, like hey, and this guy who's creeping 0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:01.680 on you and like send his driver into your house. 1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:06.480 She goes to his door when he's passed out. He's like, 1:00:06.520 --> 1:00:09.120 wake him up, shake your titties at him, which is like, yeah, 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:14.040 he's maybe not a great friend, but there are no 1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:17.800 even an Ali. We don't know anything about Ali's my mom. 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:21.720 In the earlier versions with Esther Blodgett that her mother 1:00:21.840 --> 1:00:24.320 is in the various conditions of being alive, but she 1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:28.480 is acknowledged at any point. We don't know anything, never 1:00:28.600 --> 1:00:31.880 references the mom. We do know what happens to Jackson's mom, 1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:34.920 but she's also killed off and first for what you know, 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:37.919 her death doesn't impact him the way his father's death does. 1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:41.680 It's just all all the narrative impact is coming from 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:44.960 men doing shitty stuff in real time, or the shitty 1:00:45.000 --> 1:00:48.320 stuff men did back in the day where so much 1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:51.240 of Jackson's alcoholism is attributed to the fact that he 1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:55.200 was dead drinking buddy, and you want to knock one back, 1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:57.640 and he days drinking. But and I do feel like 1:00:57.760 --> 1:01:00.320 maybe implied, sorry, I mean to cut you. Oh I 1:01:00.360 --> 1:01:04.400 couldn't kept going, I'm sorry, I mean to interrupt your impression, 1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:08.280 um that he was dealing with tenitus, because they do 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:10.280 say that at a very young age, that he may 1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:12.000 have gone in for putting his head in like you know, 1:01:12.200 --> 1:01:15.280 the grandmophone. So I feel like a little part of 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:18.080 his imply that he drinks a lot because of that tonitus, 1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:20.440 that he's just trying. That's what I under hear that tone. 1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:24.520 I kept forgetting about me remembering he had tenightus was 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:27.160 in and out the whole movie, because there were some 1:01:27.400 --> 1:01:31.880 points where you you're hearing his tonitus in the sound design. 1:01:32.000 --> 1:01:33.880 But then I was like, oh, just but half of 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:36.880 his dialogue is like what's that because he didn't hear 1:01:36.960 --> 1:01:40.520 what someone said to him. I was constantly reminded said 1:01:40.560 --> 1:01:42.680 it's like, how's your tonightus, And he's like, I'm here 1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:46.000 with my wife. He's like the dude, he does change 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:49.000 the subject a lot where you're like fucking hell. Okay, 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:51.680 but I also was confused because he seemed like he 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:54.280 got Tonight's at a young age. But then he also 1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:56.840 tells Ali he was born with an ear thing so 1:01:56.960 --> 1:02:00.320 he couldn't hear, so so he's either like had an 1:02:00.320 --> 1:02:02.960 ear issue and then also got tenitis, which is probably 1:02:03.000 --> 1:02:06.280 just fucking hell. I don't understand how that, like, if 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:08.320 you can't even hear normal things, but then there's also 1:02:08.400 --> 1:02:11.080 like a ringing in your head at all times. That's 1:02:11.120 --> 1:02:14.680 like a very probably unbearable situation that he should be 1:02:14.760 --> 1:02:17.680 wearing those things that they were making for him, right, 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:20.600 but I guess it takes him out of the music 1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:22.920 that he's playing. See that's saying it's he's making so 1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:25.640 many excuses to not get better that it's just like 1:02:26.280 --> 1:02:31.000 there's no justification at all for like any of his behavior. 1:02:31.040 --> 1:02:33.520 It's just like you're just choosing to not deal with 1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:36.320 all your own issues. And then you bring Ali into 1:02:36.360 --> 1:02:38.840 your life, and she loves you, so she's not going 1:02:38.920 --> 1:02:40.520 to force you to deal with I mean, she makes 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:42.960 points to be like stop drinking. You smell like alcohol. 1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:45.160 We'll see how long it lasts till you drink again, 1:02:45.240 --> 1:02:47.880 Like she does make jabs in him, but she doesn't 1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:50.320 fully stand up for herself until that moment they get 1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:52.040 in a fight when she's in the bath, and it's 1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:54.360 only because he calls her names and says all those 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:57.160 rude things, like she barely even when she saw he 1:02:57.240 --> 1:02:58.920 was drinking, she doesn't say anything. She kind of lets 1:02:58.960 --> 1:03:01.520 it go, which seems like it's a carryover of how 1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:05.160 she treated her dad. And so it's like, I understand 1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:08.560 why Ali gets into this relationship for a few reasons, 1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:12.200 is like he has power in an area that can 1:03:12.280 --> 1:03:15.040 help her career. That's not the only reasons she's in 1:03:15.120 --> 1:03:17.440 this relationship, but it's clearly a part of it. And 1:03:17.920 --> 1:03:22.560 you know she's predisposed to uh, messy dudes who have 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:25.800 alcohol issues. But yeah, she like never, I don't know, 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:28.920 there's just so and and then and you were saying earlier, 1:03:29.000 --> 1:03:34.720 like the concept of his like suicide is sacrifice where 1:03:35.240 --> 1:03:39.400 he kills himself so he won't embarrass her anymore. He's 1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:41.920 like letting her go and setting her free right like 1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:43.800 actually really causing her quite a bit of pain. And 1:03:43.880 --> 1:03:47.920 that's another eighteen update that they try to make the 1:03:48.040 --> 1:03:50.280 kind of rings hollow as there's that scene with Lady 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:53.600 Gaga and Sam Elliott. Imagine that I never would think 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:56.240 that would be a sentence. But that scene where Lady 1:03:56.280 --> 1:03:58.200 Gaga and Sam Elliott are crying and he's like, you're 1:03:58.280 --> 1:04:01.800 not Your fault is jet fault alledged, which is like 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:05.040 a clearer view of suicide than any of the past 1:04:05.160 --> 1:04:09.160 movies have offered. But that's still not how it's presented. 1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:12.560 When it happens. It's presented as a sacrifice, but then 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:15.040 they're like, oh, but it's actually not. But then it's 1:04:15.040 --> 1:04:18.560 still I don't know where what is? What is this? Yeah? 1:04:18.880 --> 1:04:22.640 Does anyone have any final points? While I think it's 1:04:22.680 --> 1:04:25.120 a great film, I really enjoyed it, you just have 1:04:25.240 --> 1:04:30.600 to suspend your disbelief that like women are on the top, 1:04:30.720 --> 1:04:33.440 like it all is just it's a fantasy of like, 1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:36.439 oh I was discovered and I made it and thank 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:38.240 God for this man. Like you really have to just 1:04:38.400 --> 1:04:40.480 let all that go to go watch the movie and 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:43.560 then you know, slowly think about it later, because it 1:04:43.760 --> 1:04:45.920 does the more you think about it's like, Okay, like 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:49.040 this entire movie is happening because of a guy being like, 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:51.520 oh you're hot, and a good singer, you know, like 1:04:51.640 --> 1:04:54.040 that's his whole interest in her was like, first, I 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:56.400 believe it's because she was a good singer, and then 1:04:56.440 --> 1:04:57.640 as he got to know her, he's like, oh, well, 1:04:57.640 --> 1:05:00.160 I'm very attracted to you, and I'm going to make 1:05:00.240 --> 1:05:02.240 everything happen. And then it proceeds to be like only 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:06.280 men around her, and that's a frustrating thing. It's a 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:07.920 great film if you just you don't want to have 1:05:07.920 --> 1:05:10.200 a good time, but don't expect to get a lot 1:05:10.280 --> 1:05:14.960 of depth when it comes to strong women do whatever 1:05:15.080 --> 1:05:20.440 they have to do, or even women interacting, which brings 1:05:20.520 --> 1:05:24.320 us to the matter at hand. Does this movie pass 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:29.840 the Bechtel test? Well? Sort of. There is a conversation 1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:34.040 between a woman named Gail, who's like, I guess like 1:05:34.080 --> 1:05:37.800 a stage hand or something, tour manager type assistant person too. 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:43.160 I agree with Sophie feminist icon Gail Feministon. Gail shows up. 1:05:43.520 --> 1:05:49.360 Ellie has known Jack for about eighteen hours. She shows 1:05:49.440 --> 1:05:52.600 up at his gig. Hi, I'm Gail. Yeah it. Gail 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:54.600 meets him at the car that just brought them from 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:57.080 the private plane or whatever to take them into the venue, 1:05:57.680 --> 1:05:59.560 and she goes, hi, I'm Gail. So we're all got 1:05:59.600 --> 1:06:03.200 her name him. She's like, Lady Gaga was like hey, 1:06:03.400 --> 1:06:05.400 and she's like, how is your flight? And then Lady 1:06:05.440 --> 1:06:07.360 Gaga was like, oh, it's great. And then she goes, oh, 1:06:07.440 --> 1:06:10.280 just leave your bags and they're like okay, and then 1:06:10.360 --> 1:06:11.960 she's like, come this way, and then she goes, Wow, 1:06:12.040 --> 1:06:14.080 it's so big here. And then she goes like, oh, 1:06:14.200 --> 1:06:18.480 watch out because something's like coming out and Gail's looking out. 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:22.920 I love I love Gail. I hope that that actress 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:26.240 just improvides the name Gail and she's like, you know what, 1:06:26.400 --> 1:06:28.240 we want this movie to pass the test. I've read 1:06:28.280 --> 1:06:32.200 the whole script. She's like, Hi, I'm Gail. Because it's 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:35.000 not a character that necessarily makes sense to name, but 1:06:35.160 --> 1:06:39.880 she really because we never see that character again. So 1:06:40.440 --> 1:06:42.800 she stands next to Sam Elliott at the concert looking 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:46.040 board as fuck. Now, the question has been post to 1:06:46.160 --> 1:06:51.480 us if whenever Ali talks to the drag Queens, does 1:06:51.560 --> 1:06:54.880 that pass the Bechdel test? You know, I originally when 1:06:54.920 --> 1:06:56.920 I first saw the movie, in my mind said oh, 1:06:56.960 --> 1:06:58.760 that pass because she was telling to the drag Queens. 1:06:58.760 --> 1:07:01.000 And then I was like, oh wait, but does that count? 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:04.720 And I don't know, drag queens when they're in drag, 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:08.200 you know they're using sheet pronouns. You know, they're using 1:07:08.800 --> 1:07:12.880 a lot of like feminized language. But at the end 1:07:12.920 --> 1:07:16.200 of the day, drag queens are men who identify as 1:07:16.320 --> 1:07:20.880 men who do drag. I am tempted to outsource this 1:07:21.000 --> 1:07:24.520 one as well. A tray listeners have better intel than us. 1:07:25.160 --> 1:07:28.120 None of us are drag queens, So probably you do 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:31.200 let us know for for today, I feel like we're 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:36.520 saying no that those scenes, but they do happen. If whatever, 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:39.480 it's a it's a great We're not totally sure for 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:43.640 sure Gil passes. Yes, Yeah, but also maybe the test 1:07:43.960 --> 1:07:46.160 could be your needs to be updated to be more 1:07:46.200 --> 1:07:49.600 inclusive where it's you know, if two non binary people 1:07:49.680 --> 1:07:51.840 talk to each other, could that pass the Backdel tests? 1:07:51.920 --> 1:07:54.760 Could you know, a gender fluid person and a woman talk, 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:57.840 could that past? So I think it's worth acknowledging that 1:07:57.960 --> 1:08:01.400 there could be some perhaps dates. Let's call up our 1:08:01.440 --> 1:08:05.919 friend Ali Bechdel. Yeah, there is a few seconds because 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:08.400 I do think at one point towards the end of 1:08:08.480 --> 1:08:10.560 their interaction, she goes, he's very excited to see you 1:08:10.720 --> 1:08:14.160 or something like that. So it breaks that it breaks 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:17.280 the test and she goes back. They go back to referencing. Well. Also, 1:08:17.360 --> 1:08:20.320 the whole context is like, hey, you're here to watch 1:08:20.400 --> 1:08:24.320 a man, So if you factor in context, it's a 1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:28.439 little murkier. But but she does talk to one other 1:08:28.520 --> 1:08:31.000 woman who is Dave Chappelle's wife, whose name is never 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:33.320 ever acknowledged, and I believe the only thing they talked 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:35.320 about is like, I'll get you a wedding dress to 1:08:35.400 --> 1:08:39.400 marry him, which is I would say. Also, Dave Chappelle 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:42.880 and his family are the few people of color in 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:47.800 the whole movie. Otherwise it's a largely white movie. Of 1:08:47.960 --> 1:08:50.840 the four, it certainly does the best. You know, two 1:08:50.960 --> 1:08:54.280 straight white protagonists. That's not pushing much forward, but I 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:57.840 think compared to other major releases, it does all right. 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:01.960 Lady got guys Italian. She she why the boiler out 1:09:02.040 --> 1:09:05.599 on the Count. Andrew dice Clay, one of his buddies 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:08.320 is an older actor, who's that guy. He's a character 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:11.240 seen a million Yeah, there's a lot of character actors. 1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:14.240 Like I feel like I've seen Gale before, Gil looked familiar. 1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:16.960 I feel like I've seen the woman who takes a 1:09:17.040 --> 1:09:20.120 picture of Bradley Cooper at the gross room. Yes, she's 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:22.519 also a character actress that I've seen places. I've seen 1:09:22.600 --> 1:09:24.320 her a million players. They're pulling a lot of like 1:09:24.439 --> 1:09:26.680 the like kind of famous that you see guests are 1:09:26.720 --> 1:09:30.120 and everything. Yeah, there's a lot of vaguely faces in 1:09:30.160 --> 1:09:34.559 this movie, including Bradley Cooper's dog, feminist icon, Bradley Cooper's dog, 1:09:34.720 --> 1:09:37.519 which is his real dog, Bradley Cooper's real dog, and 1:09:37.760 --> 1:09:41.040 really doctor basically understanding Bradley cast a lot of people 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:43.680 he knew, like the drag queens he knew. Those are 1:09:43.680 --> 1:09:45.880 my favorite scenes in the movie. The first thirty minutes. 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:49.040 It's fun, there's there's comedy, there's jokes, there's drag queens. 1:09:49.080 --> 1:09:51.439 I'm having a great time. And then it starts to 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:55.320 I could not be less thrilled. Yeah, Ali is like 1:09:55.439 --> 1:09:59.680 neutralized through as a story goes on. I suppose this 1:09:59.720 --> 1:10:03.280 is the time where we give our nipples. Let's right, 1:10:03.840 --> 1:10:07.080 nipple wise, yes, scale one or zero to five on 1:10:07.320 --> 1:10:10.880 basil how truths women? That's right. I'm gonna go with 1:10:11.080 --> 1:10:17.040 a solid two. I suppose where it's a story about 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:20.760 a woman, but we don't get to know her that well. 1:10:21.520 --> 1:10:25.160 The story is told from a man's perspective, both in 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:31.160 terms of the Jack main character and the director and 1:10:31.800 --> 1:10:34.760 writers and everything like that. So I think a lot 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.360 of things that could have been that, like the opportunity 1:10:37.439 --> 1:10:40.080 was there for the movie to comment on, like the 1:10:40.200 --> 1:10:43.439 fact that women in entertainment are often held to this 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:47.400 insane standard of beauty and image that gets touched on 1:10:47.600 --> 1:10:51.040 but doesn't go any further than that. Things like Bradley 1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:55.519 Cooper's characters creepy predatory behavior where she says no, I 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:57.639 can't come to your gig and he's like, Okay, I'll 1:10:57.680 --> 1:11:01.000 send my driver to pick you up. Um, showed up 1:11:03.560 --> 1:11:06.560 is troubling. Maybe two is too generous because like I 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:09.760 can't really think of anything that makes me think that 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:17.120 anything was progressive about this movie. So yeah, I like 1:11:17.280 --> 1:11:21.720 that there's a representation on screen of drag queens. That's awesome. Um. 1:11:22.280 --> 1:11:27.640 So so like like it's a lady. Lady is a 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:30.720 queer icon. She she has a literal queer I think 1:11:30.800 --> 1:11:34.120 that every with the exception of Janet Gaynor, every woman 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:37.840 who's ever played this part is a queer icon Streisande 1:11:37.840 --> 1:11:41.200 in Garland. I mean she's in good company and that's 1:11:41.200 --> 1:11:42.920 oh That's one last thing I wanted to say about 1:11:42.920 --> 1:11:46.280 Ali's character that is like a standby of this character 1:11:46.360 --> 1:11:48.839 that makes Lady Gaga such good casting as she's supposed 1:11:48.840 --> 1:11:51.479 to be a character who is considered a little bit 1:11:51.680 --> 1:11:54.720 too old to be becoming famous, and she has an 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:58.160 unconventional like she's not like a model in terms of like, 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:00.040 and that's why the nose comment in the whole a 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:03.080 bit and that's right there. Ye. Yeah, she's supposed to 1:12:03.120 --> 1:12:05.160 be like thirty or thirty one or two or whatever, 1:12:05.360 --> 1:12:11.840 like older older two, but she's thirty two. Okay, here's 1:12:11.880 --> 1:12:15.160 what I'll give the movie two nipples because of the 1:12:15.520 --> 1:12:18.840 scene that's basically an exact replica of a scene from 1:12:18.880 --> 1:12:23.720 Titanic where in a star is born. Allie's behind like backstage. 1:12:23.760 --> 1:12:25.560 He's trying to coax her on stage to be like 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:29.120 sing your song or else I'll plagiarize it, and she's like, no, Jack, No, 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:33.320 I couldn't possibly Jack, And that basically happens in Titanic 1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:36.000 between Jack and Rose. The name is even the same 1:12:36.400 --> 1:12:40.880 with Jack. So yeah, two nipples. I will give both 1:12:41.080 --> 1:12:45.040 nipples to Lady Gaga because we see her nips in 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:47.439 this film. We sure do I'm going to give it 1:12:47.960 --> 1:12:53.639 this version. Uh one and a half. Yeah, I can't 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:55.360 in good time. It's weird because I am going to 1:12:55.400 --> 1:12:57.160 see it for a third time, but you know I 1:12:57.280 --> 1:13:01.920 contain multitudes as well. I reserve the rie. Uh yeah. No, 1:13:02.200 --> 1:13:06.720 It's like, it is not a story that treats women well. 1:13:06.800 --> 1:13:09.400 It's never treated women well. And and as to this 1:13:09.600 --> 1:13:11.920 version kind of doesn't update it in the way it 1:13:11.960 --> 1:13:15.080 treats its female character really at all, which is a 1:13:15.120 --> 1:13:17.519 bummer because it is two thousand eighteen and there's in 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:20.040 fact less women involved in the production of this movie 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:23.400 that have been involved in past versions. So ultimately, I 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:28.519 think by making the alcoholic character more lovable and making 1:13:29.000 --> 1:13:33.200 the female protagonists taking away her last name, we get 1:13:33.360 --> 1:13:37.680 no acknowledgement of how this toxic relationship is really affecting her. 1:13:38.560 --> 1:13:40.639 There are only men in her life that's never called 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:42.720 attention to. It's like, and then there's a lot of 1:13:42.800 --> 1:13:44.960 like false setups, like you were saying, Caitlin, of like 1:13:45.760 --> 1:13:48.960 she mentions that you know, she's like not the perfect 1:13:49.040 --> 1:13:51.160 Western standard of beauty and that's held her back in 1:13:51.240 --> 1:13:53.800 the past, but that's never really commented on, and she 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:56.800 doesn't seem to mind when they totally change her. And 1:13:57.200 --> 1:13:58.800 and you know, there's a few moments of like, I 1:13:58.840 --> 1:13:59.960 don't know, I don't know, I don't know, but she 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:02.920 always does it aside from her hair, uh, she always 1:14:02.960 --> 1:14:04.160 goes through the way that we don't know how she 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:07.360 feels about that, um, and we don't know how she 1:14:07.560 --> 1:14:10.720 feels about her relationship. She refuses to tell us how 1:14:10.800 --> 1:14:14.200 she feels about her relationship with her father. And so 1:14:14.840 --> 1:14:18.280 the character is there. There's like an interesting character there, 1:14:18.640 --> 1:14:21.880 but we just we just don't get at her, which 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:24.960 is too bad. Uh. So I will see it again 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:28.680 this week and one a half Nippy give one to 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:33.680 Lady Gaga, and then I'm gonna give one to um 1:14:34.720 --> 1:14:38.920 Bradley Cooper's dog. Sure, I'm sorry the other half Um 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:42.800 I would give it to. I would give an honoraryone 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:45.479 just for the cinematography. I thought it was just very 1:14:45.520 --> 1:14:49.479 well shocked um No streisand asked in this one. But 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:52.320 you know what, I just really like that kind of 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:55.240 aesthetic where you when they shoot like music or just 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:57.519 even concert, that you feel like you're like breathing it, 1:14:57.600 --> 1:14:59.320 like they get all up in his business, which I 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:02.280 think is an interest choice. Actually, though they don't really 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:03.920 do it with Lady Gaga as much. They really get 1:15:03.920 --> 1:15:06.479 into like Bradley's like air, like you feel like you're 1:15:06.479 --> 1:15:10.080 like breathing the same areas when he's like playing. That's 1:15:10.120 --> 1:15:13.559 from my film school background, but the real, the real 1:15:13.600 --> 1:15:17.400 I'm really giving it two nips because, like Jamie was saying, 1:15:17.960 --> 1:15:20.920 the whole like male savior vibe of like you needed 1:15:20.960 --> 1:15:23.040 a man to make it was kind of whatever, like 1:15:23.240 --> 1:15:25.599 that's not that interesting of a trope, Like it's kind 1:15:25.600 --> 1:15:28.439 of like, oh okay, Like it would have been interesting 1:15:28.520 --> 1:15:30.599 if I don't know, they real lesbian couple. Who knows, 1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:32.679 like they could have mixed it up in some way, 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:35.360 so it wasn't just like Bradley Cooper's chance to be 1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:38.360 Bradley Cooper like and everyone kepting like, oh, how great 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:39.600 he is in the film, Like yeah, but he's a 1:15:39.640 --> 1:15:41.479 great actor, Like we know he's going to be fine, 1:15:41.640 --> 1:15:44.320 Like we know he'll be able to transform himself, like whatever, 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:47.160 he'll play a d agent next time. It's fine. He 1:15:47.280 --> 1:15:49.920 was a different accent, Like I'm not super moved by that, 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:52.719 but like I was very impressed with Lady Gaga because 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:54.719 I've never really seen her act before, Like I didn't 1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:56.920 watch when she was an American horror story or anything 1:15:57.000 --> 1:15:58.880 like that. And I thought it was great that she 1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:01.320 because I know I've read before in the past that 1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:03.600 she really struggled for a very long time, like I 1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:06.519 believe she was raped at nineteen by music industry person 1:16:07.280 --> 1:16:09.880 and so she her whole She's admitted that her whole 1:16:10.040 --> 1:16:12.080 facade of how she would dress up was just like 1:16:12.240 --> 1:16:15.720 her hiding like from the world and like covering up 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:17.639 and wearing all this makeup and having all these wigs 1:16:17.680 --> 1:16:21.760 and having all this like crazy costumes. Was her distancing 1:16:21.840 --> 1:16:25.439 her real self from like the madness of like you know, 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:27.600 everyone and people were coming at her. And so I 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:29.599 thought this was like a very strong role for her 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:33.280 to be like completely sands makeup, completely sands anything. And 1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:35.559 And while it was, you know, it was acting her 1:16:35.640 --> 1:16:37.320 like growing into this pop star and you kind of 1:16:37.360 --> 1:16:40.000 see it happening. It was like a very interesting growth 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:43.000 to see within a film that you don't really see. 1:16:43.040 --> 1:16:46.240 You never see like someone becomes like sell out so aggressively, 1:16:46.400 --> 1:16:49.000 Like that's rarely that trope is really done in films, 1:16:49.080 --> 1:16:52.799 unless you're like watching films specifically about industries like acting 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:55.320 or music or whatever. So that was cool to see 1:16:55.360 --> 1:16:57.680 and I really appreciated Gaga's work and I'm glad she 1:16:57.840 --> 1:17:01.640 kept the music as pure to Gaga as it could be, 1:17:01.840 --> 1:17:03.960 like her voice stage, she didn't try and change it 1:17:04.080 --> 1:17:09.439 for anything like that. So when I first heard that, 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:11.680 I was like, Oh, that's Lady Gaga. Like that's when 1:17:11.760 --> 1:17:14.599 you know it's Gaga when she doesn't try and change 1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:17.559 her voice for anyone and she keeps it how it's 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:20.519 how it's always been. She's got that very powerful voice, 1:17:20.560 --> 1:17:23.479 and I was moved by her singing. I think she's 1:17:23.479 --> 1:17:26.320 an amazing artist and just a performer who knows what 1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:28.519 she's doing. And yes, I did just watch her Lady 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:33.000 Gaga documentary and I highly recommend it because she's so 1:17:33.720 --> 1:17:35.439 I don't know, you really see her struggle. She has 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:38.639 like aggressive like nerve pain that like ruins her everyday life, 1:17:38.640 --> 1:17:41.080 where she'll just be like a complete and total like 1:17:41.600 --> 1:17:44.280 just in a coma of pain and can't move. It's 1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:45.960 like she has to deal with a lot of that 1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:48.400 and it's all like from PTSD of being like raped 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:50.519 and all the anxiety and trauma from her life that 1:17:50.640 --> 1:17:54.599 her entire body, like spasms and complete pain, and she's 1:17:55.000 --> 1:17:57.120 gotten through a lot of it now, But I don't know. 1:17:57.479 --> 1:17:59.160 She has a very interesting story and I think it 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:02.720 kind of parallels a lot of this storyline of a 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:06.479 woman becoming less. So she made herself, you know, by 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:08.280 herself and not with the help of a man. But 1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:11.759 like there's an interesting juxtaposition of her turning into this person. 1:18:12.439 --> 1:18:14.320 And then you know, I have this hope that Ali 1:18:14.439 --> 1:18:17.280 slowly turns back around and goes back to her original 1:18:17.400 --> 1:18:20.760 like artists, you know self. So I give one nip 1:18:21.000 --> 1:18:23.960 to Lady Gaga and her performance in this film, and 1:18:24.080 --> 1:18:28.439 another nip to Angela from the drag Queen crew, who 1:18:28.600 --> 1:18:30.960 apparently had to be convinced by Lady Gaga to be 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:32.760 in the film. And I think her character is so 1:18:33.040 --> 1:18:35.559 funny in the beginning, as like this, you know, she's 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:37.920 just not having it. She's not impressed. She's like, get 1:18:37.920 --> 1:18:39.680 the funk out of here, I have shipped to do. 1:18:40.680 --> 1:18:42.680 She's so funny to the other drag queen who has 1:18:42.800 --> 1:18:45.840 him signed his tits like she he already signed your tits. 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:48.320 Stop making him sing for you. And the fact that 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:53.040 she was in the Virgil is we've shared a stage 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:58.400 with Lady So great anyway, two nips, one honorary for 1:18:58.560 --> 1:19:02.759 the cinematography, which is one more point for Lady Gaga. 1:19:02.920 --> 1:19:06.759 As of today, she wrote a long op ed about 1:19:07.040 --> 1:19:10.360 suicide and it doesn't directly say it's because of how 1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:15.000 it's portrayed in the movie. But did a great job, so, 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:17.679 you know, cleaning up a little bit of Coope's mess. Maybe. 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:21.960 So she's she's just the greatest. She's an ally got 1:19:22.040 --> 1:19:25.960 to us all alive the ally. Yeah. Well, Anna, thanks 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:28.439 so much for being here. Thank you so much for 1:19:28.560 --> 1:19:31.360 having me. This was so fun. Yeah. I've had a 1:19:31.400 --> 1:19:38.519 great time singing and dancing choreography. Yeah yeah. Where can 1:19:38.560 --> 1:19:40.080 people find you online? What would you like to plug? 1:19:40.479 --> 1:19:42.840 You can listen to my podcast with Shrine Units, who 1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:46.240 did the Latin episode of this show, Ethnically Ambiguous. We're 1:19:46.240 --> 1:19:47.920 on the House Stuff Works network. You can find us 1:19:47.960 --> 1:19:50.479 on iTunes and whatever. I'm a producer at House to 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:52.760 Work So I also produced the daily site Guys, which 1:19:52.800 --> 1:19:59.320 the Day Yes News and Sorry that song you know 1:19:59.560 --> 1:20:02.400 Jamie Klin have both been on it um. 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