1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: On the Big Dog Cast. The questions asked if movies 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: have women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: and best start changing it with the Bell Cast. I 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: hope if you're listening to this in your car, you 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: just crash. You just literally got into an accit. I 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: don't hope that. Well, I don't hope that. But if 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: that's what you're dealing with right now, it is our fault. Hi. 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm Jamie Lofton and I'm Caitlin Dronte And this is 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: the best episode of the Big Dog Cast ever. I'm 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: so excited. We've never been less excited about anything. I've 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: been stewing in my juices for days now. I'm so 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: thrilled to be talking about a star is born with 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: our friend and Asne. I just I blew it and 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: my freaking what if I just needed my turn? Like 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: she's been vibrating at the table. Oh it's so good. 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: I just I every song is almost good enough to 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: be a real song, Like they are real songs. I 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: but I but the way sad I was like, this 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: song actually kind of slaps, but it's not quite a 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: real song. Oh I love it so much? So hey, hey, 22 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: here we are. We're the Betel Cast. We talked about 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: the portrayal and representation of women in film. We use 24 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: the Bechdel test to initiate a larger conversation about women 25 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: in film. Was that the Bechdel test is. It was founded, invented, 26 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: created by cartoonist Alison Bechdel, and it requires that a 27 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: movie has too female identifying characters with names. They have 28 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: to talk to each other there for at least a 29 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: two line exchange, and their conversation cannot be about a man. Well, 30 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: good luck with this franchion. Okay, so wait, we should 31 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: do with a dry round of the Bechtel test. Okay, 32 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: let's do it. Hey, Caitlin, will you ask me a 33 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: question and I'll ask you what to ask me? Wait? 34 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: What it's passing so far? Don't say my name? Hey, Jamie? Okay, Caleb, 35 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: If I ask you to ask me a question and 36 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: give you the copy, will you say will you ask 37 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: me that question? Yes? Okay, here's the question I want 38 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: you to ask me. Okay, what do they have an Arizona? Hey? 39 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: Hey Jamie, what do they have an Arizona? Nuts? Navas 40 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: and nowhere to go. That was a long way, but 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: that all passed. Yeah, that all passed. That passed the 42 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: beck That was great. That was the longest pass That's 43 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: like a full conversation with someone like okay, in the 44 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: history of cinema, I love my favorite part of the 45 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: Bechtel test. And that doesn't have to be good writing. 46 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: It just has to be writing. But the word, Hey, 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: should we introduce our guests? Yeah, okay, right, well let's 48 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: give her a proper introduction. She's a friend of the cast. 49 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: You've already heard her on her She's all that episode. 50 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: She is one half of Ethnically Ambiguous, and she's a 51 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: producer here at how stuff works. Ana and I sleep 52 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: under the table every time you guys record true fact. So, 53 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: so here we are talking about the two thousand and 54 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: eighteen A Star is Born. So, and this is quite 55 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: a hot request, which I think is one of the 56 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: only reasons Caitlyn agreed to do it. Also, I blackmails 57 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: you guys, I will be the guest, and that is 58 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: that I do have a memory of you walking towards 59 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: us as you're like, we're gonna to A Star is Born? Right, 60 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: and then two nights later, we were in the theater 61 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: fully reclined. Guess what. I bought tickets asap. I bought 62 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: tickets for everybody. I was like, great, we're going and 63 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: said us a paragraph long venmo. Yes. It was like 64 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: you guys had to ask for my permission, please give 65 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: me do A Star is Born? Pause? You knew you 66 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: were going south? Yeah, You're like, I'm not excited to 67 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: see this, Like that was the first thing you said 68 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: when I got in the car, was like, Oh, this 69 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: is gonna be fun. Take a hit of weed and 70 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: you're like no. I was like, weed gives me panic attacks. 71 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm very cool. Love this movie. Smoke weed in the back, 72 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: freaking seed stars. Okay, So Jamie and Anna, you've both prepared, 73 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: I would say more than adequately so, but I still 74 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: feel completely all over the place. Okay, just to be clear, 75 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: not in organized, prepared, but I have all the thought 76 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: I need. Good. Okay, So, Anna, what is your history 77 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: with this, this film or the general A Star is Born? 78 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: So franchise if you will. I mean, as you know, 79 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: this movie is a remake of a remakeup remakeup remakeup remake, 80 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: and the original film was actually called what Price Hollywood, 81 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: which was the original one who no one's seen because 82 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: who carries it was a Selznick joint. Yeah, yeah, exactly who. Um. 83 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: A little known fact was the son in law of 84 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: Louis B. Mayor of Notorious Rapist. Um. Yes, because almost 85 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: an email executive of that era, but yeah, he was 86 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: a film executive and he yeah, they're all rapists. So 87 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: then the film that was remade based off what prize 88 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: Hollywood was A Star is Born with Janet Gainer. I 89 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: have not seen that version. I was from nineteen thirty seven. Seven. 90 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: That's a little too far back for me. I took 91 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 1: a thirties film class in college and I was like, yawn, 92 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: enough of these Joan Crawfords. Okay. And you know I 93 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: was never a fan of that whole censorship era. Well, 94 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: it lasted from the mid thirties till the late sixties, 95 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: so no interest. I've seen the thirty seven. Sorry, I 96 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: haven't seen a long time. I didn't commit, but I 97 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: one of my favorite fun fact about that Star Is 98 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: Born as Dorothy Parker helped write the script. I just 99 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: feel like women usually are involved in writing the scripts, 100 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: which is so interesting because the woman has no power 101 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: but um, and then I saw the Judy Garland one 102 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: a while back. Um, it's like three hours long. I 103 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: recommend it if you like. Yeah, I have three hours 104 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: or eight a very strong edible and I can't move. Um. 105 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: That one I think is the best because I've seen 106 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: The barberstriceand one and actually rewatched The Barbersicean one last night, 107 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: and god, damn is streisand a mess. Uh that's I 108 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: think the worst one because I listened to a podcast 109 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: you must remember this about the making of a star 110 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: is born the Barbersrrice and one, and boy, it was 111 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: not good. She was a real bit. She led Chris 112 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: Christofferson to drink like a bottle of tequila a day, 113 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: so he just basically became the guy and it wasn't 114 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: just being method. And apparently she cut her own edit 115 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: at the end that had her basically include more shots 116 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: of her ass. But she was like, so she's like, 117 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: there needs to be more male gaze. I do kind 118 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: of love, like I wish that every actor demanded that 119 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: they got their own kind I want to see, like, 120 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: what the what is the Taylor Lotner cut of Twilight 121 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: too as more of his I think maybe it's not 122 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: even gendered. It's like, like, this is my movie. My 123 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: ass should be in it as much as possible. I 124 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, that's basically when it's got so many 125 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: shots to get your ass in from a big crowd. 126 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: I get it. She's insane. Okay. I've also seen the 127 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: seventies six one. I could not get through it this time. 128 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: I got forty. It's such a mess, like it even 129 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: looks like it looks like a mess on the set. 130 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: I was just like, what is it? It's and now 131 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: you both have seen this two eighteen version twice. Now, okay, great, 132 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 1: we've seen good job you're all. You're way more prepared 133 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: than I am, because I've seen Bradley Cooper's A Star 134 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: is Born one time. Honestly, you catch yourself some yeah 135 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: you know what that thank you. I don't know if 136 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: you recall, but I did watch all six mission Impossible 137 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: movies to prep for the episode. So I so I'm 138 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: coming in not having a whole ton of background for 139 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: this film. And it's because, yeah, I don't especially like 140 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: this genre. I this is gonna make me sound psychotic, 141 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: but I don't like to watch people sing. I think 142 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: it's so boring. That's okay. Some people find musicals completely uncomfortable, 143 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: like they can't like, I'm not a huge fan of musicals. 144 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't classify this as a musical because all the 145 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: music that's happening in this one is diagetic. Is in 146 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,599 Speaker 1: like it's happening as a part of the story, and 147 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: they're like not breaking out into random song. Yeah so, 148 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: And at least if there's like a song and dance number, 149 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: it's like they're there's fun, there's choreography. This one, we're 150 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: just watching people sing and I could not be more bored. 151 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: And I just, yeah, I don't, I just this is 152 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: not for me. But I did enjoy the first thirty minutes. 153 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: Yes to Amy, you're raising your hand. You have a 154 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: question my history this movie. I love Judy Garland so much. 155 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: She was my hero when I was little. I feel 156 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: like all young queer people slash very very very quiet 157 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: young women. For some reason, there's something about Judy. I 158 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: would record all of her movies on Turner Classic and 159 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: it would be to the point where it's like my 160 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: family would write it on the calendar Judy Garland's birthday 161 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: because there would always be a marathon. Would you take 162 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: a cake to school every I wouldn't talk to anyone 163 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: at school but that. But my one of my parents 164 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: was like usually home and so they would switch at 165 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: the VHS table to start recording the next one. So 166 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: I've seen every Judy Garland movie ever, love her so much, 167 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: and then I wanted to, you know, experience the Judy 168 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: Garland extended universe. And so that's why I watched the 169 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: other Stars born to be like. I know that she 170 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: had she was the best one, but let me just 171 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: cross check and confirm, uh check. And then I found 172 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: out Dorothy Parker helped write the first one I was like, 173 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: and then Joan Didion helped write the Barbastres, and there's 174 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: a lot of famous woman. The interesting fact about that 175 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: is she started to write it and then Barber stration 176 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: was so hell she left, but because she was like 177 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: still like you know, credit as a writer. She made 178 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: more money that she'd ever made in her entire life 179 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: off that movie basically, so she was like set for 180 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: life and all she had to do was like meet 181 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: with Barbara like five times before. She was like this woman. Honestly, 182 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: it sounds like worth the amount of the any like 183 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: story of Barber strikes and on set of anything, you're like, 184 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: holy sh it, this is this is a lot, what 185 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: a legend this is? She truly truly a diva. But yeah, 186 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: I love this movie. But I just I think I 187 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: just wanted to say I love Judy Garland. And I 188 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: think we between the three of us, we've seen the 189 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: trailer maybe five times. So I do recall when that 190 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: trailer first appeared on my YouTube, Like I remember when 191 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: it first appeared, yes, because I think I brought it 192 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: to you guys. I was like, you see this, and 193 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: then we proceeded. I made you watch that. I made 194 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: you watch that in a bunch of like we with 195 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg films. But I I haven't stopped watching it. 196 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys have have had a great time 197 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: with this so far. I have a somewhat unhealthy relationship 198 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: to the part on the trailer where Lady Gaga starts 199 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: for like full Lady Gaga moment. It's good, And then 200 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: when it was coming up that whole scene, they it's 201 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: almost like the scene like whoever is editing, It's like, oh, 202 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: people are gonna be so excited for the part where 203 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: she just yells, and so they make you. It makes 204 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: you wait for it and wait for it and wait 205 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: for it, and then she finally hits the mic and 206 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: you're like, I think we all like grabbed hands hearted. 207 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: Levitating five feet off the ground was crazy. I do 208 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: remember when it was about to happen, an old man 209 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: got up to go use the bathroom, and I was 210 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: so fiercely offended, like I was like fucking kidding me 211 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: to stage. Yeah, if you're listening, sir, biggest parents love it. 212 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: Is this the a star is born's universe or as 213 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: stars are born or a stars are stars is born? 214 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: What would you how do you? How do you what 215 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: would you refer to this? Um stars is born stars 216 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: or stars? A star is born stars the stars the 217 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: stars are born born, Stars born stars. That's like porn. 218 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: Star the star is would have been a great one 219 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: missed opportunity for this round, because this this film, it's 220 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: not even a franchise, this story that refuses to die. Generally. 221 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: It was like coming up once once every twenty years. 222 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: And they skipped the nineties, which would have been a 223 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: great Curtain Courtney adjacent but they didn't. They skipped the nineties, right, 224 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: But it was originally supposed to be Clint Eastwood directing, 225 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: with Beyonce attached. Yeah, and then Will Smith was attached. 226 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: I think as as whoever this one for the two one, well, 227 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: the one that was that was in the works before 228 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: this one, you know, came out with every version who's 229 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: played it was Esther for the first three No, I 230 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: think the sect Judy Garland. Then they make it like 231 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: Vicky or something. No, they change so they change name 232 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: and most of them. There's like a few things they 233 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: don't do in this movie that they She normally starts 234 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: as Esther Blodge and they change her name to Vicky 235 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: Lester to make her like hot. But this time she 236 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: starts as Ali and we'd never find out her last name, 237 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: and then they don't change her name, and then she's 238 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: all because she is that's important until her last name 239 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: is the man's last name. Well, and that's something that 240 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: happens every movie too. There's a few well can there's 241 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: a few things that happened in every version of A 242 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: Star is Born, and they're all regressive and we and 243 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: Cooper could have done something about it. Also, who heard 244 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: that Vicky was the fun like the fucuble name Vicky. 245 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm Vicky Xon, shall I do the recap please? I'm 246 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: gonna not. I'm not going to do a good job 247 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: because I've only seen the movie once and I I 248 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: don't worry. You've got yet fill in the blanks. Okay, 249 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: So we meet Jackson Maine. He's a country question Mark. 250 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: Well his songs sound a little bit like but people 251 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: love it. It's like country rock. He's like a Willie 252 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: Nelson of sorts. Yeah, but like hot and all the 253 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: he's such an alcoholic that all the blood is at 254 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: the surface of his face for the whole it's distracting. 255 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: So we meet him. He is a famous musician, and 256 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: but not at his peak, not quite at his piece. 257 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. He's already peeked and now he's on 258 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: his way down off the piece. He's playing festivals, right, 259 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: but I think he's playing festivals because he's like a 260 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: legend in that sense. But he's at this point on 261 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: his way down. He's still famous, but right, he's not 262 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: at his peak anymore. He gets off of the gig, 263 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: he goes to a bar where there's a drag show. 264 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: Literally goes to the Virgin and he goes to the Virginal, 265 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: a bar that we've all been at many many times. 266 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: I eaten ship into that very microphone. It's wild. So 267 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: there he meets Ali Lady Gaga's character, Yes, and he's 268 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: smitten with her and he waits for her after the 269 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: show and peels off her tape eyebrow. His lives spoken 270 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: like out of context, you're like nobody now if he 271 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: wasn't a famous musician and just creepy drunk guy like 272 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that because that is certainly worth 273 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: talking about, or like a theme later was like could 274 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: I touch your nose? Like, oh my god, stop right. 275 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: So they hang out the rest of the night and 276 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: he finds out that she's an aspiring musician as well 277 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: punch a cop. She punches a cop. They go to 278 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: a grocery store to get some frozen peas about it. 279 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: They are are bonding and he's like, hey, why don't 280 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: you come to this gig and she's like, no, I can't. 281 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: And then and then she goes, anyway, oh quick trailer talk, 282 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: so this is your specialty. I didn't I forgot the 283 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: famous much memed trailer moment of hey what that's how 284 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: I would the noise that goes that. She's like but 285 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: that is also spoken, and at least the Judy Garland version, 286 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: it's in the stressand one too. Oh is that's the 287 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: thing they pulled as well, that that whole just won't 288 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: take another look at you because I'm weird And every 289 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: other incarnation the actor in question separates the words. It 290 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: doesn't say the whole sentence as if it's one word. 291 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: But that's just kind of the coops take on the sentences. 292 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 1: It's just a word, and the word is one. Well, 293 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: it could be because he is drunk, because his character 294 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: is an aggressive alcoholic. Yes, but even but even when 295 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: he's sober, he's still still kind of slurring. You know 296 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: that scene at the piano where he's like just got 297 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: out of rehab, but he's like, yeah, playing with the 298 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: dog outside, like he still can't talk. Like all his 299 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: reactions are like sorry, he's so I mean, he's so famous, 300 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: no one will ever tell him. It's like I think 301 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: part of the like part of his character is like 302 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't know he's weird to an extent because he's 303 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: been famous for so long that he just doesn't know 304 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: he's weird because everyone's like, oh, Jackson Maine, you're Simon 305 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: didties Jackson. You know. So basically they start to hang 306 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: or like the second time they hang out, she goes 307 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: on stage at one of his shows and like sings 308 00:18:54,119 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: the song and that's the right, the iconic. Oh, and 309 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: then you go that road and array not very good, right, 310 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: And he's like, otherwise I'll plagiarize. So I was like, well, 311 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: the steaks are there, they are right, Yeah, So she's 312 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: basically forced to go and sing her song on stage 313 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: with him, and this starts to kind of propel her 314 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: music career forward because people see it, and people take 315 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: video of it, and there's a bunch of YouTube views 316 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: and people start to take notice of her. And as 317 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: that's happening, they're developing a romantic relationship. And there's you know, 318 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: some struggles along the way because he again is a 319 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: little bit suffer like suffering from alcoholism. There's nothing like 320 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: having to always wait for your significant other to wake 321 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: up from his drunken stupor so you can hook up, right, Okay, 322 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: well I'll just wait till you wakept. It's h two 323 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: pm tomorrow, okay, five am, Okay, cool, awesome. There's and 324 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: also Sam Elliott is Bradley Cooper's brother and he's thirty 325 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: years older. This is a plat point that never I 326 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: was like, why couldn't he Like why does the brother 327 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: have to be elderly? But he is. And sam Elian's 328 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: character is his like manager road dog buddy, and he's 329 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: always like, you need to take better care of your 330 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: hearing because Bradley Cooper's character's hearing is got tonight, Like say, 331 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't know that this is an Arizona farm boy accent, 332 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: but Sam Elliott talks the same fucking way Bradley Cooper does. 333 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper is doing a Sam Elliott impersonation back to 334 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: Sam Elliot because Sam Elliott comes. There's one scene that 335 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: you can't make a word out the entire thing, but 336 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: Sam Elliott walks up with Bradley Cooper's hearing aid and 337 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: he's like Jack Copper. And then there's that one scene 338 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: when he walks up to punch him, and it's just 339 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: a shot of their two faces, like just right in 340 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: front of each other's artisting at each other. Are we doing? 341 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: This movie should have been subtitled for Drunken Men, like 342 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: their women do not get drunk in this movie. It 343 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: is only useless men who can get drunk it there, 344 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: and then later on I got confused. There was a 345 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: part where I was like, Sam Elliott works at SNL 346 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: now because she's on SNL, right, why is he there? 347 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: He said? He I thought I would stop on see 348 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: how she's doing. And he's like, what what's that? What? 349 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: Like you can't hear anything because he has he's damn it, 350 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: you know how like when you have tonighta's you can 351 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: just treat everyone in your life like trash um. So 352 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: then at some point Ali and Jack get married, but 353 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: he's showing no signs there. It's a whole thing, right 354 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: and Eddie Griffin, Eddie Griffin's also there. Yeah, he rolls 355 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: through everyone's at the wedding. Andrew Dice Clay is Allie's dad, 356 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: explains YouTube video counts at one point it's a great movie. 357 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: He's like, you know, for everyone doubts how many people 358 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: seen it? I wanted two hundred times. I was like, oh, 359 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: this is great. It's unclear. I'm still not sure where 360 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: this movie is supposed to be taking place. I do. 361 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: I've reached the conclusion it's Los Angeles, Yes, I believe so, 362 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: But why they're they're talking like newsies. I thought she 363 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: was upstate New York because they all have New York accents. 364 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: But then they get on a motorcycle go to Arizona 365 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes and they get there like two seconds. 366 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: List I'm like, they didn't drive across the country. And 367 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: then when Lady Gaga goes in the house, she's like, 368 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: what the button exactly, like this is not New Yorker. 369 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: Think her accent comes and goes like it's nothing, And 370 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: let me introduce you to the concept of moving. People 371 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: sometimes move from one location to another expand on this period. 372 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, there's inconsistency where But then she made 373 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: it sound like they had lived in that house her 374 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: whole life, Like she's like, da, how many times do 375 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: you carry the piano for me? Oh my god. Okay, 376 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: so this has been a thing. A star is born 377 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: in the mystery of where Lady Gaga's character lives starts 378 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: a hilarious debate among film critics. Okay, so this has 379 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: been a point of contention. We don't know where anyone's from. 380 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that's how people from Arizona sound, but 381 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm not very well. I was also trying to gauge 382 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: where they lived together in that house of his. Is 383 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: that like supposed to be like the Hollywood Hills or something? 384 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: I thought, okay, because at one point she goes like, 385 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: I have to play the Forum tonight. Will you meet 386 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: me there? And then she leaves, so it's like, clearly 387 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: if you're somewhere else he lives, like l ash or something. 388 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: I don't know. She's like, oh, meet me at the 389 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: Forum and right and then and then he says hey, 390 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: he says, I don't want but this time it's sad 391 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: because he's going to kill him. Okay, so sorry. As 392 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: she's advancing in her career, he is, you know, still 393 00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: drinking a lot. He becomes verbally abusive different points. He's jealous. Um, 394 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: he rubs a bagel on her face. There's lot of 395 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: icing ends up on face. Brad like Cooper's got I'll 396 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: go on the record. He's got a thing with the 397 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: cake on the face. There's a lot of cake in 398 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: the face in the movie. Every top Bill character gets 399 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: some cake on the face. Day of Chappelle gets cake 400 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: in the face. I don't know if Eddie Griffin gets 401 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: cake in the fast. So then she wins a Grammy 402 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: because she's become so famous, she's at that point in 403 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: her career. It was a nice touch that Lady Gaga 404 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: dressed like a Grammy because that's what Lady Gaga would do. Yeah, 405 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: her dress is like a Grammy dress. But at this 406 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: Awards ceremony, Jack is so drunk that he like stumbles 407 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: up onto the stage and then pisces himself, like on 408 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: camera on the stage and watching now, I don't know why. 409 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: I was like, first, sure, Bradley Cooper method pepe himself, 410 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: but it's definitely a post PEP. It's a I kind 411 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: of how to tube, like a tube of those like 412 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: we're going to excessively PP. I don't know, you know 413 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: how you can just sort of tell, Well, I'm a hacker, 414 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: so I can tell when things are computer but I'm 415 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: pretty sure it was computer PP. He wouldn't actually have 416 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: pped himself, No, I think maybe he tried, but he 417 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: got a nerve. I thought there was like a little pepee, 418 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: little two PP. I think it was a practical effect. 419 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: I think, really I feel that way. I feel like 420 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: this is this is what I love about movies Like this, 421 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: someone knows or someone that's in the process of trying 422 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: to find out what the deal with the PP is. 423 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper is known for being a practical effect genius hangout. 424 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: He was James Cameron. He all that face. He just 425 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: laid in the sun for ten hours for that facial. 426 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: Whatever was going on is a bloated red face the 427 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: whole time. Yeah, I love it. Okay. So at the 428 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: award ceremony, he p's himself and then he's like, oh crap, 429 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: I've hit rock bottom. Better go to hit the rock 430 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: of Peppy. So he goes to rehab and Ali's all like, 431 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: I still love you. We can make this work. You're 432 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: going to come back home, right, And he's like, oh yeah, 433 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: I think so. She way over dresses to go to rehab. Yeah. 434 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: I didn't think her outfit was appropriate for rehab. He 435 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: gets back home, he's in recovery and her manager, whose 436 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: name is rez Gavrin, I believe British villain, British twink 437 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: villain off head of you. And then she's like in 438 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: her Scott records and he literally goes over to probably 439 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: Cooper's house. He's like, I would be real help if 440 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: you killed He basically tells Jack that he has ruined 441 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: Lady Guga's career and that they've had to do like 442 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: so much damage control. So Jack this prompts him to 443 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: commit suicide Fish so it's like the the British Guy. 444 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: And then there's like a tribute song at the end 445 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: where she's like, I'm Ali Maine and she sings a 446 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: song and everyone's sad. This is original, the actual Let's 447 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll come back and watch 448 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: A Star is Born again. Let's take a quick break 449 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: and then we will be right back and we're back. Okay, 450 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: So where do we want to begin with this? Because 451 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: I just have so many thoughts I don't know where 452 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: to start. Well, I personally would like to draw attention 453 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: to Jack's behavior in the beginning of the movie, where 454 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: I think we can apply the Bushemi test to this, 455 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: where early on he's apply that not super like you 456 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: were saying, like the not super famous guy. I think 457 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: if someone that hot who was a nobody was doing 458 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: that ship people would also not be having it. Sure. 459 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean, basically, after they've met, for they've known each 460 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: other for less than twenty four hours, he's like, Hey, 461 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: come to my gig tonight, and she's like, I can't. 462 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: I have to work. No thanks, and he's like please though, 463 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: and she's like, no, I can't. She's telling him no 464 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: several times. Then he sends his driver to her house 465 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: to pick her up to follow her right um, and 466 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: then she's like no, I can't. But then eventually she 467 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: decides to get on this private jet and go to 468 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: this gig after all. Uh. And then a few scenes later, 469 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: she's sleeping in her bed and she wakes up and 470 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: Jack is there and she's like, how why are you here? 471 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, your dad let me in here. 472 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: I am. So this is like, Dice, what are you doing? 473 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: I respect your daughta. What the are you doing? That 474 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: a good line read by Dice. We have to remember 475 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: he is one of comedies most notorious misogynists, one of 476 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: the most successful misogynists in the entire industry. Good for 477 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: him though. He did a couple of goods my daught Yeah, 478 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: he had a great lines beginning. Take a look at 479 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: her To all his buddies, you know, some with the 480 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: most talent, they just don't make it. It was like, 481 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: you fucking assho. Literally after she comes home starts cleaning 482 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: up after him and his gross friends. Although I think 483 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: It was a super producer, Sophie, who said, uh, Dice 484 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,719 Speaker 1: is squatted in every scene in this movie. He's got 485 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: like no less than four old men with him, just 486 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: like being like, Dice is the fucking I think that's 487 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: his like real life entourage. He's like, I don't come 488 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: on set with less than four fucking gross dudes. I 489 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: think though probably I could not figure out that was 490 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: Dice to save my life because I realized I had 491 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: never seen andrewdies Clay's eyes because he always wears his sunglasses, 492 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: and that was fucking me up until the last same 493 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: of the credits, and I'm like, is that andrewdiese Clay? 494 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: And I like felt like a fucking idiot. It really 495 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: actually took me out of the film a little. It 496 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: took a couple of scenes to figure out it was Dice, 497 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: which is too bad because I think that all of 498 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: us right now could play his girlfriend and a thing 499 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: about the right age. My boyfriend is Andrew night Anna 500 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: my daddy. But you know what I mean, I'm so 501 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: sorry about that funked up stuff I said. But in 502 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: any case, the behavior the Bradley Cooper's character is doing 503 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: is troubling. It's stockery. It's predatory, but because he is 504 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: a man with fame and power and influence, she's like, oh, 505 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: how romantic. So I was truly surprised how quickly they 506 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: just started making out. I was like, really, that girl, 507 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: I don't mean, you don't really know much about him 508 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: on the knees a famous person and seems drunk as fuck. 509 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: They I feel like they try to work around that 510 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: by saying like, oh, she does at least go to work, 511 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: but then someone's like, you're fucking late, and she's like, 512 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: I fucking quit, and then she gets in the limit 513 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: that followed her. I don't know. I didn't. This is 514 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: kind of like the inception of this relationship changes. I 515 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: think there's versions of it where it's done better in 516 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: past stars, and there's also versions where it's like way creepier. 517 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: But they're the first two stars born. Happens between actors. 518 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: This one and the Strisan one are musicians, but it 519 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: usually starts with like them they meet she's a little 520 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: girl from nowhere who just moved to Hollywood to become 521 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: a big staw and she's an extra and she's a 522 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: waitress in the whole bit, and then he like gets 523 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: her an audition, which is less creepy than sending someone 524 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: in a in a vehicle to follow her around. Um yeah, 525 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: I feel like they're really trying to push the like 526 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: this is an undeniable love situation, but that didn't work 527 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 1: for me. Like I I didn't believe that they were 528 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: like undeniably attracted to each other, and we're just being 529 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: pulled without their control to each other. And that's why 530 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: they started, like, you know, almost hooking up almost immediately. 531 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: Like I didn't trust the way it was done in 532 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: the movie. I didn't believe it necessarily. There's so much 533 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: in all of these stories, but speaking to like the 534 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: eighteen one as well, that like there's so many elements 535 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: of this story that go completely unexplored, and I think that, 536 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: like one of the greatest weaknesses of this story is 537 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: that it is like sort of doesn't give it's the 538 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: star who is born a k a. The one woman 539 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: in the movie who talks really enough, not even like 540 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: it's like Lady Guy was very present in this movie, 541 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 1: but there are certain elements of her personality that are 542 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: totally unexplored because this character that esther Bladget or Ali 543 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: who fucking knows is like the woman who stands by 544 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: her man, and it's like the message of this whole 545 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: franchise is like, hey, if you're in a relationship with 546 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: an abusive alcoholic hanging there, maybe he'll die. Like it's 547 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: just not good. But but there's a few like, Okay, 548 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: some things that occurred to me. And I haven't done 549 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: a lot of reading about this Star is Born, just 550 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: because I just I've been too busy watching it over 551 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: and over. But some things that occurred to me about 552 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: Ali and Jackson's relationship that we never addressed, aside from 553 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: being in a relationship with an addict, which we can 554 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: get to because that is like weight glassed over, like 555 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: he was mean to her one time, Like that's not 556 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: how I know. But one thing that's never touched on is, 557 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, the power dynamics in this relationship from the 558 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: jump are off, and they're off in every incarnation of 559 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: this story. And so I don't I mean, I don't 560 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: even know where a land on this. But there's some 561 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: times where I'm in the story and I'm like, well, 562 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: Ali like probably would feel weird leaving him early in 563 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: that relationship, even though he's clearly a fucking mess, even 564 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: if she does like him because her entire career is 565 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: dependent on him, which is a power dynamic he introduced. 566 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: But you know, it's I think that that adds some 567 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: complexity to her character. If it's not just like she's 568 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: so in love with him and she can't leave because 569 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: she loves him so much. It's like, well, what if 570 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: she sort of wants to leave but her entire career 571 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: is tethered to this one person. Like that's something that 572 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: happens in the first half of the movie that I 573 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: thought would have been at least interesting to acknowledge. But 574 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: that power dynamic is never They're like, well, they love 575 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: each other and correct me if I'm wrong, But I 576 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: don't think he ever does anything to like promise that 577 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna, like uplift her career and get her to 578 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: where that doesn't happen, right, He's always like, I'll get 579 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: too far. He does, he does that and in the 580 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: other versions, but I mean, it still feels pretty heavily implied, 581 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: like if she left that tour, it's not like she 582 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: could just you know, like I think the story would 583 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: have you believe she needs to be on tour with 584 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: him at the beginning, and you know, establish herself as 585 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: his sort of like right hand singer before she can 586 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: become you know, and meets everybody she has to meet 587 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: and then she can take off on her own. But 588 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: she couldn't have technically started on this path in this 589 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: story without him. And that's like to sort of a 590 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: dynamic that they don't acknowledge at all. Right, And I'm 591 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: not saying that this thing happens in this I'm not 592 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: familiar enough with the other ones to know if this happens, 593 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: but like it's reminiscent of situations where someone like Harvey 594 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: Weinstein targets a young up and comer who's like, I'll 595 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: take you far if you just come to my hotel room, 596 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: or you know, like making promises, and what they're really 597 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: doing is just manipulating and abusing and ruining their lives. 598 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: They felt like sorry, there was a selfishness to his 599 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: behavior in the sense that he actually didn't want her 600 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: to grow beyond being a singer with him, right, And 601 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: that's when he starts to get the kid. That's when 602 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: the cake is in the face when she starts to 603 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: out achieve him, and she does call him out and 604 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: was like, you're jealous, but it's like, I do like 605 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: the part where she lets him headbutt a TV or 606 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: she's like, you want to play? Lest fucking play? And 607 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: then he had butt the TV and she's like it 608 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: just like passes out into it. Yeah, and then she 609 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: gets the cake off her face, she goes, what the 610 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 1: fund is this? This? I did want to see more? 611 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: Sad thing is like a lot of her attitude came 612 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: out in the beginning and then sort of just became 613 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: passive at the end, Like she didn't defend herself, shen 614 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: stand up for herself. She just kind of went along 615 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: with what people told her to do. Thing Like, she 616 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: doesn't have much agency in this story. She things happened 617 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: to her, but she's not necessarily I mean you could say, like, 618 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, the the hard work she's put into being 619 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: a singer and you know, working on her craft, but 620 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: we don't really see that. The story picks up basically 621 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: right before she's propelled to start them, so right, I mean, 622 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: we at least get the moment of like we know 623 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: she's good enough, she has what it takes. It's not 624 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: like they need to fake her talent at any point, right, 625 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 1: which I appreciate it, it's not like, what's that fucking 626 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: movie with Meryl Streep and Hugh Grant Florence Foster Jenkins. 627 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: It's not a Florence Foster Jenkins sitch, right, But yeah, 628 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: but everything happens to her. Yeah, so she's not necessarily 629 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: going out and making active choices, and arguably that's because 630 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: it's Bradley Cooper's character who's the protagonist of the story, 631 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: who's driving the narrative. But it would still be nice 632 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: to like to see her, I don't know, just be 633 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: more active in the pursuit of something. But it's a 634 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: lot of stuff happening to her and her kind of 635 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: rolling with the punches. It does seem like there's this 636 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: overall like male savior vibe throughout the entire film. It 637 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: like it's very broad because it starts with him, you know, 638 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: giving her her first break to like that guy being 639 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: like I'll make you know, signing Interscope Records, and then 640 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: it ends with him killing himself because he's like, I'm 641 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 1: doing this for you so you can go on and 642 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: live your life without being drinking myself. Yeah, Like I'm 643 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: here for like this is all because of you. I'm 644 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: trying to make your life better and it's like she 645 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: could have easily have succeeded fine and gotten her life 646 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: together as you have not killed yourself. And also it's 647 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: she could have divorces like there's there's there's a lot 648 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: of like missed like things that you're like, you would 649 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: think that it would go more challenge but just doesn't. 650 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: Which is I mean, I don't know, I still love 651 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: the movie so much, so hard, but but there's so 652 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: there's so much where it's like she really doesn't have 653 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: another element. Okay, another I think we've already talked about 654 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: this because we've been talking about this movie for a week. 655 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: Where Ali does. I mean, we see the sort of 656 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: song she's writing at the beginning, she's ah, and then 657 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: when she becomes a pop star that goes away and 658 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: all of a sudden she's like, why would it the 659 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: that that it's all the time they're good, but they change, right, 660 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: she becomes a pop star, and there's one scene because 661 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: she does she sells out immediately, which is not even 662 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: a moment on the character because we don't really know 663 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: her well enough to know what her code of ethics 664 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: with this is. But you know, the British guy is 665 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 1: like you go to die your hand and learn to dance, 666 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: and so she does. And then there's one scene, the 667 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: one scene in their entire relationship where Bradley Cooper is 668 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: an alcoholic and mean to her. He comes in, she's 669 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: in her fucking grammy bathtub or whatever, and he is 670 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: He's like, so, what we're singing songs about s now? 671 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: Which is which is like one of the only good 672 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: points he makes in the entire movie that goes totally unexploited. 673 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: Like he points out, like, hey, you have changed a lot, 674 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: and you are. And he's saying that partially because he's jealous, 675 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: but also there is an element to that character, yeah, 676 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 1: where he's like a pure artist or whatever he thinks 677 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,720 Speaker 1: he is, and he looks down at people who aren't 678 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: like that. Should have approached it differently because also in 679 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: that conversation, he's telling her that she's ugly and that 680 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: she has no talent. She's an embarrassment now because of 681 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: how she's taken her opportunity and like used it to 682 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: become this pop star or just mostly I don't know, 683 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: I guess let go of her true inner musician to 684 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 1: cater to people who will give her that kind of attention. 685 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: In money and you know which isn't I think that's 686 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: a really interesting theme that they drop after that Like that, 687 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: it's just because as flawed and bad and as much 688 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: of a sign of like, this is a toxic relationship 689 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: as that scene is. He makes that point and she's like, no, 690 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: that's my song. I wrote it. It's great, and then 691 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: it's like, but we know that it's I don't know. 692 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: That was one thing where I was like, that would 693 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: have been another interesting element to this character. But the 694 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: story is so committed to making her a perfect angel 695 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: that she's a boring character. Sure. I would also real 696 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: quick argue that there's some gratuitous nudity in that scene, 697 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: because why does it take in place in a bathtub 698 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: and then she stands up out of it and you're like, 699 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 1: see her whole naked body, just a quick glimpse of it. 700 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: But it's like, that's even the past stars bathtubs a lot. Okay, 701 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: Like the actual scene where she's putting on makeup on him, 702 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: like that happened in the stridesand vers and I think 703 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: it happened in the Garland does on the version also 704 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 1: argue that we didn't necessarily need that nudity in that moment, 705 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 1: but maybe I'm just approved. I decayed it, but I 706 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: can't wait to print it on iTunes and pose it. 707 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: So another thing that I thought could have been explored 708 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: far more that wasn't is the sort of pressure that 709 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: is placed upon usually women in the entertainment industry to 710 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: change the way they look and cater to a specific 711 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 1: image that like whatever studio or record label is voisting 712 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: upon them. Because early on in the film, Ali is 713 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: talking to Jack. I think it's like the night that 714 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: they first meet, and she's describing right, She's like, oh, 715 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, I haven't gotten my break in this industry yet, 716 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: because you go into these rooms and there's all these 717 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: men looking at you and they tell you that you 718 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: sound great, but you don't look great. And she expresses 719 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: some insecurities about her nose and stuff like that. So 720 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: she's talking about this and then she gets her big 721 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: break and it starts to work out, but then her 722 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: manager is like, we need you to dye your hair 723 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: blonde and don't tell the dances not to go on stage. 724 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: To build on that point, it was almost as if 725 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: they couldn't acknowledge that her looks didn't matter until she 726 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: got signed off by another man to be like, hey, 727 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: well I approve and then they're like yeah, yeah, exactly. 728 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 1: But the entertainment industry has like a very long, troubling 729 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: history of like shaping women into, you know, the person 730 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 1: that whatever studio wants them to be. For example, you 731 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: can take a look at Judy Garland's career where she 732 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: was like forced pills to like keep her thin, to 733 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: keep her peppy and eight years right, and then you 734 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: know there's other Garland was also famously molested by Louis B. 735 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: Mayer himself when she was like thirteen or fourteen years olds. 736 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: So it's like, but yeah, different, you know the studios 737 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: network's record labels, you don't have an image in mind 738 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 1: for you know, whatever young anginue they are trying to 739 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: build into a superstar, and they basically decide, Okay, here's 740 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: what you look like, here's what you're gonna wear, here's 741 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: what you're going to act like. And I think, right, 742 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: I think the movie could have explored that a lot more. 743 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: But especially it's not the story, I guess, especially because 744 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: it's like you have Lady Gaga here, you have a 745 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: fucking expert on this topic in the room. She can 746 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 1: tell you, but I don't know. This is. This is 747 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: also I believe this is the only version of this 748 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: script that is written entirely by men. There's usually at 749 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: least one woman involved, but this is There's a lot 750 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 1: of themes that go like surface explored, Like I think 751 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,800 Speaker 1: that they're trying trying to make a statement by like 752 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga's nose, but then she's famous anyways, and like cool, 753 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,439 Speaker 1: but it is it's also surface where she basically still 754 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 1: ends up folding to all of their demands and that 755 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: ends up working out in her favor. There's really no 756 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: consequence for that happening, So like, what's the comment, like 757 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: do it? There is a part in her smart and 758 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: I think that like she does kind of decide to 759 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: just give it and take it into her own hands 760 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: and be like, fine, I'm going to do all this, 761 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: but I'm going to do it my own way, Like 762 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: when they said, oh, make your hair plan and Blonde's like, no, 763 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: I'll do orange, which is weird choice. But there is 764 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,240 Speaker 1: things that I think like, oh, well, she was actually 765 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 1: like even though it wasn't necessarily the right choice and 766 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: it was selling out, she made the choice to sell out, 767 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: which was like, I don't even care that this character 768 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: sells out. I'm not even critical of her for that. 769 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: But it's like they don't even talk about that, they 770 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: don't even look at that, just like they're like, well, 771 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 1: this is what happened. I'm like, but this is the 772 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: star who's born. Why don't we get to here where 773 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: she'd think about nothing? Right? It's so the whole thing 774 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: is it's about this woman, but the whole story unfolds 775 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: from the point of view of men around. Yeah, you 776 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: have to see I mean, you know, as much as 777 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: I love seeing Bradley Cooper and Sam Elliott crying together 778 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: in like three different scenes, it's like, okay, we uh, 779 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: there's there's there's there's so much I mean. And then 780 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: the last big note I had for things that go 781 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: unexplored in Ali's character is her relationship to her father 782 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: where there's a scene that I find so frustrating with 783 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,720 Speaker 1: Ali and Dice, uh towards the end of the movie, 784 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: and it's after Jackson Pepete himself and now he's in 785 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,720 Speaker 1: rehab and she's like, eat us up a breakfast. Sorry, 786 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm stressed. The whole thing and Dice it's already been 787 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:50,240 Speaker 1: acknowledged several times that Dice is also an alcoholic seems 788 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: to have had a drinking problem. That tracks in terms 789 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: of like, you know, children of alcoholics very often end 790 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: up with alcoholics. R I p me, but um, but 791 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: the same though. Yeah, I mean it's it's we've got 792 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: we've got evidence in the room. Uh. But he starts 793 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: to apologize to her, starts to be like, I'm sorry 794 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: I wasn't a better father to you. And I think 795 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: her character acts, I mean, it makes sense that this 796 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: would be a conversation that would happen, But in terms 797 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: of moving the plot forward, I found it very frustrating 798 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: because she's like, it's totally fine, It's totally fine. You 799 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: were supportive of my music career. You carried my piano 800 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: up the stairs once, and you like paid attention to 801 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,760 Speaker 1: me in that way. It's fine. You didn't do anything. 802 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: And then Dice goes, you're the best person in the 803 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: world kidding me. Something I know, you know, just throughout 804 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 1: a lot of movies or just even in real life, 805 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 1: is that women, no matter what, even if we get 806 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: the abuse and we have to take it, we still 807 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: have to be the ones to make sure the men 808 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: are okay, right, It's like she's the one going through it, 809 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: but she's still reassuring her father that he's okay, making 810 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 1: sure he eats. It's like she literally had to go 811 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: on the Grammy stage and while her Ben Pete himself 812 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: and she was like, we're having a lot of fun tonight. 813 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: Like that was the most cringe worthy moment where you're 814 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: just trying to just like keep your ship together for 815 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: your trash ass. She's so accommodating, and it's it is frustrating. 816 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 1: It's like these people around you are fucking up and 817 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,880 Speaker 1: you're just taking care of them and like not reacting 818 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 1: to it. And if that's a part of who your 819 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 1: character is, fine, but like show us that and show 820 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: us that it causes her pain outside of like you 821 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: hurt me, which happens like three times. Yeah, at that 822 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: moment where she forgave him, I was like you need 823 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: to slap him across the face because you hurt me, 824 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:45,320 Speaker 1: and him being like taken Jesus Christ, And that's like 825 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: another like if if this movie was a different kind 826 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: of movie, it could have explored the dynamics of an 827 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: abusive relationship where it's not like if you're in an 828 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,919 Speaker 1: abusive relationship. It's out of the question that someone would 829 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: say something really fucked up to you and you would 830 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: say I forgive you to avoid further conflict. But it's 831 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: presented to us as like they love each other and 832 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 1: they're working through some stuff. But that doesn't, I mean, 833 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: in context, seemed to be the reality of this relationship 834 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: at all. Also a question, uh that goes back to 835 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: our Fifty Shades episode, what amount of time does this 836 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: movie take place at? No, that is a good question. 837 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: I think two years max. The only time that we 838 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: know has passed is when he says he's been at 839 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: rehab for two months. That is the only time really 840 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: acknowledged time time twenty four hours where they meet and 841 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 1: then a few hours later she's on a private jet 842 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: to go to his gig and sting with him on stage. 843 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: It's crazy. We got to take a quick break, but 844 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: let's explore this more when we return. And we're back, 845 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,359 Speaker 1: I have a quick comment about juxon Main's character um 846 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: compared to pass versions of this character. The first one 847 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,960 Speaker 1: is Norman Maine, I believe the second one is also 848 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 1: Norman Maine. And then does Christopherson have like a weird 849 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,399 Speaker 1: John Harman Howard they're all variants, and then Jackson Maine 850 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,439 Speaker 1: all variants in the same name Bradley Cooper's. I think 851 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: one of the adjustments made that I don't even know 852 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: how I feel about it. I think it's just kind 853 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: of like it makes sense, but it also creates a 854 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: lot of problems. That we've been talking about is that 855 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,960 Speaker 1: Bradley's Jackson Maine is of the four, by far the 856 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: least despicable version of this character and by far the 857 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,919 Speaker 1: most lovable, because the previous three are drunk in ways 858 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: that are more violent. I believe in the first one 859 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 1: she literally is hit uh in in the straisand one 860 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: he cheats on her. There's like more clear implications of like, 861 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,839 Speaker 1: this is not a good guy, which makes it more 862 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: frustrating at the end where she's like I have him, 863 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,800 Speaker 1: but also creates, I mean, a more disgustable relationship or 864 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: a more real relationship that could actually have happened, where 865 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper is sort of Jackson Mane presented as like, 866 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: as far as we know, he never cheats on her, 867 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 1: as far as we know, he is mean to her 868 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: one time, and and there's a cake in the face 869 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,760 Speaker 1: but he's pretty good natured about everything and he stays 870 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,760 Speaker 1: generally supportive. I I feel like, just based on talking 871 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: to my my friends about it last night, because I 872 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I wonder, like, what the Because I 873 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 1: think if you left any of the first three, no 874 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,800 Speaker 1: matter how you feel about it, you leave being like 875 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,400 Speaker 1: it sucks that he killed himself, but he was a 876 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,320 Speaker 1: bad guy and he he wanted to hurt her, you know, 877 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: And in this one, I think you leave like Bradley Cooper, 878 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: it was so nice, but so like they make adjustments 879 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 1: to the character, they kind of neutralize It makes it 880 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: harder to criticize him. And I don't even know how 881 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,319 Speaker 1: I feel about that, but it's just weird. A lot 882 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: of that also feels like the reason Bradley Cooper's like 883 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 1: the worst he gets is, you know, being on stage 884 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: and you know, berating her a little while she's in 885 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 1: the bathtubs. That also just feels like the industry working 886 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,399 Speaker 1: behind Bradley Cooper to be like, well, I mean, you'll 887 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: be a shitty drunk, but we're not going to have 888 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,919 Speaker 1: you hit her because we don't want people to see 889 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: you in that nature. You know, Like there's something working 890 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: there where Bradley has that control over how his character 891 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: like as how evil his character can be. So it's 892 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 1: like you're, yeah, like you come away from watching this 893 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: relationship different than any of the other three, where you're 894 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 1: you it's almost like cheesier and sweeter than any of 895 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,279 Speaker 1: the other ones, where he's the best guy out of 896 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,120 Speaker 1: all of them, but he's still awful And I don't 897 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: even know, it's just like it was a change that 898 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: I get why, Like, obviously I'm not like man, I 899 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: wish he hit Lady Gaga, but because like his alcoholism 900 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: is portrayed in such a it's more like goofy and 901 00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 1: embarrassing than dangerous and harmful. In the way it's portrayed, 902 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: it just kind of it just makes it bizarre. And 903 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: it's not I mean, not that movies have to be 904 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,399 Speaker 1: a realistic portrayal of everything, but it just the way 905 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: that relationship is. You leave kind of still liking him 906 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,879 Speaker 1: anyway that I don't think that character is supposed to work. 907 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,720 Speaker 1: And and you touch on this where like him committing 908 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: suicide is like this act of sacrifice and he's doing 909 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,680 Speaker 1: it for her, and it also makes him seem like 910 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: kind of a martyr and almost heroic, where it is 911 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: like a pretty irresponsible way to frame suicidality. I do 912 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: appreciate that the movie does acknowledge alcoholism as a disease 913 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 1: because addiction, addiction is a mental illness, and I think 914 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 1: that a lot of people still don't quite realize that, 915 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 1: and that's because of the stigma surrounding mental illness and 916 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: things like that. At least, I mean, could it have 917 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,680 Speaker 1: been explored more sure, especially because that's a huge component 918 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,359 Speaker 1: of this movie. Was one conversation with just one line 919 00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 1: where persons then the line is it's a there. I 920 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,840 Speaker 1: did love that, Like I should have broken up with 921 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: him in that scene, but she doesn't. She just goes 922 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 1: it's a disease. That's what is really frustrating to me 923 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,560 Speaker 1: about this movie is that even though he is not 924 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,840 Speaker 1: the worst of all the renditions of this character, he 925 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: still mistreats her. He still puts her in positions where 926 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,800 Speaker 1: she's constantly worrying and suffering and all this stuff. And like, 927 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 1: and maybe this is just the cynic in me where 928 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, she should have lift him and like not 929 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,640 Speaker 1: put up with this bullshit. But like I wish the 930 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: ending that we saw to this movie is rather than 931 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: him killing himself, she leaves him and she goes on 932 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,760 Speaker 1: her own path and been a great like updated version 933 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: of how the story goes, because that is like a 934 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 1: convention of he always kills himself. The first two he 935 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,879 Speaker 1: runs into the ocean drama and he like drives really 936 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,040 Speaker 1: crazy and then gets in a car accident. Everything. I 937 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 1: don't even think it's like technically a suit I don't know. 938 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,800 Speaker 1: It's basically the boyfriend husband of Barbara streisand who is 939 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,359 Speaker 1: producing it, said he can't kill himself because that would 940 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 1: make him weak, so it has to be like an 941 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,920 Speaker 1: unintentional death, which is like yeah, so the third one 942 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,239 Speaker 1: and technically at suicide, but that was like cannon to 943 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,919 Speaker 1: the story that he kills himself and then she goes 944 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: to a function and says, I miss his mane and 945 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,759 Speaker 1: that's we love that. That's when we find out what 946 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,880 Speaker 1: her last name is. It's the last name of the 947 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: man um. Sorry, is this the only one that he 948 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,440 Speaker 1: goes to rehab? Usually he goes to jail, jail, usually 949 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 1: he does in the first stress and I don't think. 950 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,440 Speaker 1: I don't know the Streisan one, the streisand one I 951 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,440 Speaker 1: think is the only version where he cheats on her 952 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 1: right and then in the first two the husband does 953 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: something drunken disorderly and goes to jail and she has 954 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 1: to bail him out of jail. So I think that 955 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 1: that's version of they all have like a Grammy Awards 956 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 1: Show meltdown, though oscars are Grammy's. Yeah, Okay. The bottom 957 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,600 Speaker 1: line is updates were made to the various renditions of 958 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,040 Speaker 1: this story, so I think an update could have and 959 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: done to the ending where he doesn't kill himself and 960 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 1: instead she's like, I'm not going to put up with 961 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: your behavior anymore and the ship that you put me 962 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: through goodbye. And then they meet up ten years later 963 00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: and he's like, I've been sober for ten years. You 964 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:22,600 Speaker 1: get back together and whatever, or they don't and she 965 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,879 Speaker 1: does the thing where she tries her face. I keep 966 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 1: doing that my boy friend's face. He doesn't like it. 967 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:36,799 Speaker 1: I'm just like a face tracer. It's not who hasn't 968 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 1: seen the sore as. You can't just do that to 969 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: someone and CVS when they're not expecting. You cannot do that. 970 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,319 Speaker 1: It's bad. Uh, just like a quick face trace. But yes, 971 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: I totally agree that like a version of this where 972 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 1: she leaves him would have been so effective or if 973 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 1: if if they're like no, she absolutely cannot leave him, 974 00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:02,640 Speaker 1: then explore why other than she loves him. That sinister 975 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,800 Speaker 1: Another thing that I was apparted with feminist icon Alice 976 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,640 Speaker 1: Wetterland because it just I need to talk to everyone 977 00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: I encounter about a star's board now has her take 978 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 1: on I think that's a good point about the nature 979 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:23,719 Speaker 1: of suicidality, of the way the British manager comes at 980 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,960 Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper's character at the end and it's like kill yourself? 981 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,040 Speaker 1: Does he literally? I mean, that's that's that whole scene. 982 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,399 Speaker 1: And she made the point of, like, you know, someone 983 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,360 Speaker 1: with suicidal tendencies, it just excuse what that actually is 984 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 1: and makes it bizarre of like, you know, someone committing 985 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,759 Speaker 1: suicide very suddenly, it's usually prompted by something small and 986 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: like it's it wouldn't just be like, I don't know, 987 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,919 Speaker 1: spreading the idea that suicidality is spread by someone saying 988 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,560 Speaker 1: kill yourself is just a total misrepresentation of what that 989 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,400 Speaker 1: sort of depression is like. It's usually something like and 990 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 1: and that could have so easily happened in that same 991 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: scene where it seems more likely, like the the some 992 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,680 Speaker 1: like a manager like that would be like passive aggressive 993 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,040 Speaker 1: and pretending to be nice. And maybe that is something 994 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,280 Speaker 1: that triggers him because he understands that I don't know 995 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,240 Speaker 1: it was so this movie is over the top. The movie. 996 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,600 Speaker 1: It does set up that he has had suicidal ideation 997 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 1: before when he was a much younger guy. But yeah, 998 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,440 Speaker 1: I think that it was not handled the most responsibly. 999 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 1: I think that what happens at the end of this 1000 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:37,440 Speaker 1: movie is like a very nineteen fifties understanding of suicidal ideation. 1001 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 1: The cowboy hat. His character hasn't evolved from that era. 1002 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,440 Speaker 1: Like his character is still like the gruff, Right, I 1003 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,920 Speaker 1: have to wear socks, my shoes, you know, I'm a man, 1004 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 1: Like he does no drink. He's yeah, he's not. He's 1005 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,439 Speaker 1: not progressive in any manner, Like he's still the old guys, 1006 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,160 Speaker 1: Like he didn't go to the women's arch. Yea, yeah, 1007 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:06,960 Speaker 1: where's your pussy hat? Bradley, I like that last shot, 1008 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,960 Speaker 1: puts his hat down and he's like, all right, I'm 1009 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,479 Speaker 1: laying this down for the last time. It is such 1010 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,200 Speaker 1: and he's drunk. He dies drunk, uh like pills. He's 1011 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,840 Speaker 1: something he definitely mists stoggering he's stogg yeah, and then 1012 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 1: it ends with this is pretty consistent across the four. 1013 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,680 Speaker 1: The star whom is born is depressed and then has 1014 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,360 Speaker 1: asked to do a function in which she sings song, 1015 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,680 Speaker 1: and then she introduces herself as missus. I think in 1016 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 1: the first two it's Mrs Norman Maine, like, she doesn't 1017 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,800 Speaker 1: even use any of her names, so this one, she 1018 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,720 Speaker 1: saysn't it it's my name is Ali Maine, defining herself 1019 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 1: as she relates to a man, right, I mean, which 1020 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't bother me as much if we knew it. Her 1021 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,440 Speaker 1: maiden name was I never had a last name. Husband 1022 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,280 Speaker 1: was one of those people that switch exactly what she says, 1023 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: um and Ali critique not a critique, world critique. There 1024 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,760 Speaker 1: are no women in Alle's life at all, and this 1025 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,000 Speaker 1: is not addressed once well. Interestingly enough, she relates most 1026 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,560 Speaker 1: to the women in drag that she works with at 1027 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 1: the beginning, or their men in dragons. Drags are drag queens, 1028 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 1: drag queens. Yes, she worked at the drag bar, and 1029 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 1: then it's clear that she's known the drag queens for 1030 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: a long time. And then she has Oh, what's the 1031 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:39,400 Speaker 1: name of her friend? Oh, Ramon is Ali's friend. He's 1032 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,280 Speaker 1: an ally to Ali, if you will, former former Hamilton's actor, 1033 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:48,360 Speaker 1: really only the best in a stars born. Oh my god. Wow, 1034 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,480 Speaker 1: he's good for him and he's also he's a part 1035 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,000 Speaker 1: of that system that like pushes her to go and yeah, 1036 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,600 Speaker 1: he encourages her, like hey, and this guy who's creeping 1037 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,680 Speaker 1: on you and like send his driver into your house. 1038 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,480 Speaker 1: She goes to his door when he's passed out. He's like, 1039 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,120 Speaker 1: wake him up, shake your titties at him, which is like, yeah, 1040 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 1: he's maybe not a great friend, but there are no 1041 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,800 Speaker 1: even an Ali. We don't know anything about Ali's my mom. 1042 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 1: In the earlier versions with Esther Blodgett that her mother 1043 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,320 Speaker 1: is in the various conditions of being alive, but she 1044 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,480 Speaker 1: is acknowledged at any point. We don't know anything, never 1045 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,880 Speaker 1: references the mom. We do know what happens to Jackson's mom, 1046 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,920 Speaker 1: but she's also killed off and first for what you know, 1047 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,919 Speaker 1: her death doesn't impact him the way his father's death does. 1048 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 1: It's just all all the narrative impact is coming from 1049 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,960 Speaker 1: men doing shitty stuff in real time, or the shitty 1050 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,320 Speaker 1: stuff men did back in the day where so much 1051 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,240 Speaker 1: of Jackson's alcoholism is attributed to the fact that he 1052 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,200 Speaker 1: was dead drinking buddy, and you want to knock one back, 1053 01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: and he days drinking. But and I do feel like 1054 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,320 Speaker 1: maybe implied, sorry, I mean to cut you. Oh I 1055 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,400 Speaker 1: couldn't kept going, I'm sorry, I mean to interrupt your impression, 1056 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 1: um that he was dealing with tenitus, because they do 1057 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,280 Speaker 1: say that at a very young age, that he may 1058 01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 1: have gone in for putting his head in like you know, 1059 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,280 Speaker 1: the grandmophone. So I feel like a little part of 1060 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,080 Speaker 1: his imply that he drinks a lot because of that tonitus, 1061 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,440 Speaker 1: that he's just trying. That's what I under hear that tone. 1062 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,520 Speaker 1: I kept forgetting about me remembering he had tenightus was 1063 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,160 Speaker 1: in and out the whole movie, because there were some 1064 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:31,880 Speaker 1: points where you you're hearing his tonitus in the sound design. 1065 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,880 Speaker 1: But then I was like, oh, just but half of 1066 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,880 Speaker 1: his dialogue is like what's that because he didn't hear 1067 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,520 Speaker 1: what someone said to him. I was constantly reminded said 1068 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,680 Speaker 1: it's like, how's your tonightus, And he's like, I'm here 1069 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,000 Speaker 1: with my wife. He's like the dude, he does change 1070 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,000 Speaker 1: the subject a lot where you're like fucking hell. Okay, 1071 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,680 Speaker 1: but I also was confused because he seemed like he 1072 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,280 Speaker 1: got Tonight's at a young age. But then he also 1073 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,840 Speaker 1: tells Ali he was born with an ear thing so 1074 01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,320 Speaker 1: he couldn't hear, so so he's either like had an 1075 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,960 Speaker 1: ear issue and then also got tenitis, which is probably 1076 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,280 Speaker 1: just fucking hell. I don't understand how that, like, if 1077 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,320 Speaker 1: you can't even hear normal things, but then there's also 1078 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,080 Speaker 1: like a ringing in your head at all times. That's 1079 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,680 Speaker 1: like a very probably unbearable situation that he should be 1080 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,680 Speaker 1: wearing those things that they were making for him, right, 1081 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,600 Speaker 1: but I guess it takes him out of the music 1082 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,920 Speaker 1: that he's playing. See that's saying it's he's making so 1083 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,640 Speaker 1: many excuses to not get better that it's just like 1084 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:31,000 Speaker 1: there's no justification at all for like any of his behavior. 1085 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,520 Speaker 1: It's just like you're just choosing to not deal with 1086 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,320 Speaker 1: all your own issues. And then you bring Ali into 1087 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,840 Speaker 1: your life, and she loves you, so she's not going 1088 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,520 Speaker 1: to force you to deal with I mean, she makes 1089 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,960 Speaker 1: points to be like stop drinking. You smell like alcohol. 1090 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,160 Speaker 1: We'll see how long it lasts till you drink again, 1091 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,880 Speaker 1: Like she does make jabs in him, but she doesn't 1092 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,320 Speaker 1: fully stand up for herself until that moment they get 1093 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,040 Speaker 1: in a fight when she's in the bath, and it's 1094 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,360 Speaker 1: only because he calls her names and says all those 1095 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,160 Speaker 1: rude things, like she barely even when she saw he 1096 01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,920 Speaker 1: was drinking, she doesn't say anything. She kind of lets 1097 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,520 Speaker 1: it go, which seems like it's a carryover of how 1098 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,160 Speaker 1: she treated her dad. And so it's like, I understand 1099 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 1: why Ali gets into this relationship for a few reasons, 1100 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,200 Speaker 1: is like he has power in an area that can 1101 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,040 Speaker 1: help her career. That's not the only reasons she's in 1102 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,440 Speaker 1: this relationship, but it's clearly a part of it. And 1103 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,560 Speaker 1: you know she's predisposed to uh, messy dudes who have 1104 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,800 Speaker 1: alcohol issues. But yeah, she like never, I don't know, 1105 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,920 Speaker 1: there's just so and and then and you were saying earlier, 1106 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:34,720 Speaker 1: like the concept of his like suicide is sacrifice where 1107 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,400 Speaker 1: he kills himself so he won't embarrass her anymore. He's 1108 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,920 Speaker 1: like letting her go and setting her free right like 1109 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,800 Speaker 1: actually really causing her quite a bit of pain. And 1110 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,920 Speaker 1: that's another eighteen update that they try to make the 1111 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,280 Speaker 1: kind of rings hollow as there's that scene with Lady 1112 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,600 Speaker 1: Gaga and Sam Elliott. Imagine that I never would think 1113 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,240 Speaker 1: that would be a sentence. But that scene where Lady 1114 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,200 Speaker 1: Gaga and Sam Elliott are crying and he's like, you're 1115 01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,800 Speaker 1: not Your fault is jet fault alledged, which is like 1116 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,040 Speaker 1: a clearer view of suicide than any of the past 1117 01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,160 Speaker 1: movies have offered. But that's still not how it's presented. 1118 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,560 Speaker 1: When it happens. It's presented as a sacrifice, but then 1119 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,040 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, but it's actually not. But then it's 1120 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 1: still I don't know where what is? What is this? Yeah? 1121 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Does anyone have any final points? While I think it's 1122 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,120 Speaker 1: a great film, I really enjoyed it, you just have 1123 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:30,600 Speaker 1: to suspend your disbelief that like women are on the top, 1124 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,440 Speaker 1: like it all is just it's a fantasy of like, 1125 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,439 Speaker 1: oh I was discovered and I made it and thank 1126 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,240 Speaker 1: God for this man. Like you really have to just 1127 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,480 Speaker 1: let all that go to go watch the movie and 1128 01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,560 Speaker 1: then you know, slowly think about it later, because it 1129 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,920 Speaker 1: does the more you think about it's like, Okay, like 1130 01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,040 Speaker 1: this entire movie is happening because of a guy being like, 1131 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,520 Speaker 1: oh you're hot, and a good singer, you know, like 1132 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,040 Speaker 1: that's his whole interest in her was like, first, I 1133 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,400 Speaker 1: believe it's because she was a good singer, and then 1134 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:57,640 Speaker 1: as he got to know her, he's like, oh, well, 1135 01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm very attracted to you, and I'm going to make 1136 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,240 Speaker 1: everything happen. And then it proceeds to be like only 1137 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,280 Speaker 1: men around her, and that's a frustrating thing. It's a 1138 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,920 Speaker 1: great film if you just you don't want to have 1139 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,200 Speaker 1: a good time, but don't expect to get a lot 1140 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,960 Speaker 1: of depth when it comes to strong women do whatever 1141 01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:20,440 Speaker 1: they have to do, or even women interacting, which brings 1142 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,320 Speaker 1: us to the matter at hand. Does this movie pass 1143 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:29,840 Speaker 1: the Bechtel test? Well? Sort of. There is a conversation 1144 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:34,040 Speaker 1: between a woman named Gail, who's like, I guess like 1145 01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,800 Speaker 1: a stage hand or something, tour manager type assistant person too. 1146 01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 1: I agree with Sophie feminist icon Gail Feministon. Gail shows up. 1147 01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:49,360 Speaker 1: Ellie has known Jack for about eighteen hours. She shows 1148 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,600 Speaker 1: up at his gig. Hi, I'm Gail. Yeah it. Gail 1149 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,600 Speaker 1: meets him at the car that just brought them from 1150 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,080 Speaker 1: the private plane or whatever to take them into the venue, 1151 01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,560 Speaker 1: and she goes, hi, I'm Gail. So we're all got 1152 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,200 Speaker 1: her name him. She's like, Lady Gaga was like hey, 1153 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,400 Speaker 1: and she's like, how is your flight? And then Lady 1154 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,360 Speaker 1: Gaga was like, oh, it's great. And then she goes, oh, 1155 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,280 Speaker 1: just leave your bags and they're like okay, and then 1156 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:11,960 Speaker 1: she's like, come this way, and then she goes, Wow, 1157 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,080 Speaker 1: it's so big here. And then she goes like, oh, 1158 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,480 Speaker 1: watch out because something's like coming out and Gail's looking out. 1159 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,920 Speaker 1: I love I love Gail. I hope that that actress 1160 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,240 Speaker 1: just improvides the name Gail and she's like, you know what, 1161 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,240 Speaker 1: we want this movie to pass the test. I've read 1162 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,200 Speaker 1: the whole script. She's like, Hi, I'm Gail. Because it's 1163 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,000 Speaker 1: not a character that necessarily makes sense to name, but 1164 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:39,880 Speaker 1: she really because we never see that character again. So 1165 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,800 Speaker 1: she stands next to Sam Elliott at the concert looking 1166 01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,040 Speaker 1: board as fuck. Now, the question has been post to 1167 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 1: us if whenever Ali talks to the drag Queens, does 1168 01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,880 Speaker 1: that pass the Bechdel test? You know, I originally when 1169 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,920 Speaker 1: I first saw the movie, in my mind said oh, 1170 01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 1: that pass because she was telling to the drag Queens. 1171 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,000 Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh wait, but does that count? 1172 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,720 Speaker 1: And I don't know, drag queens when they're in drag, 1173 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,200 Speaker 1: you know they're using sheet pronouns. You know, they're using 1174 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,880 Speaker 1: a lot of like feminized language. But at the end 1175 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,200 Speaker 1: of the day, drag queens are men who identify as 1176 01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,880 Speaker 1: men who do drag. I am tempted to outsource this 1177 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,520 Speaker 1: one as well. A tray listeners have better intel than us. 1178 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,120 Speaker 1: None of us are drag queens, So probably you do 1179 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,200 Speaker 1: let us know for for today, I feel like we're 1180 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:36,520 Speaker 1: saying no that those scenes, but they do happen. If whatever, 1181 01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,480 Speaker 1: it's a it's a great We're not totally sure for 1182 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,640 Speaker 1: sure Gil passes. Yes, Yeah, but also maybe the test 1183 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 1: could be your needs to be updated to be more 1184 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,600 Speaker 1: inclusive where it's you know, if two non binary people 1185 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,840 Speaker 1: talk to each other, could that pass the Backdel tests? 1186 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,760 Speaker 1: Could you know, a gender fluid person and a woman talk, 1187 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,840 Speaker 1: could that past? So I think it's worth acknowledging that 1188 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,400 Speaker 1: there could be some perhaps dates. Let's call up our 1189 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,919 Speaker 1: friend Ali Bechdel. Yeah, there is a few seconds because 1190 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,400 Speaker 1: I do think at one point towards the end of 1191 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,560 Speaker 1: their interaction, she goes, he's very excited to see you 1192 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,160 Speaker 1: or something like that. So it breaks that it breaks 1193 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,280 Speaker 1: the test and she goes back. They go back to referencing. Well. Also, 1194 01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,320 Speaker 1: the whole context is like, hey, you're here to watch 1195 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,320 Speaker 1: a man, So if you factor in context, it's a 1196 01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,439 Speaker 1: little murkier. But but she does talk to one other 1197 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,000 Speaker 1: woman who is Dave Chappelle's wife, whose name is never 1198 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,320 Speaker 1: ever acknowledged, and I believe the only thing they talked 1199 01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,320 Speaker 1: about is like, I'll get you a wedding dress to 1200 01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,400 Speaker 1: marry him, which is I would say. Also, Dave Chappelle 1201 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,880 Speaker 1: and his family are the few people of color in 1202 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:47,800 Speaker 1: the whole movie. Otherwise it's a largely white movie. Of 1203 01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,840 Speaker 1: the four, it certainly does the best. You know, two 1204 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,280 Speaker 1: straight white protagonists. That's not pushing much forward, but I 1205 01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,840 Speaker 1: think compared to other major releases, it does all right. 1206 01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,960 Speaker 1: Lady got guys Italian. She she why the boiler out 1207 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,599 Speaker 1: on the Count. Andrew dice Clay, one of his buddies 1208 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,320 Speaker 1: is an older actor, who's that guy. He's a character 1209 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,240 Speaker 1: seen a million Yeah, there's a lot of character actors. 1210 01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,240 Speaker 1: Like I feel like I've seen Gale before, Gil looked familiar. 1211 01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen the woman who takes a 1212 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,120 Speaker 1: picture of Bradley Cooper at the gross room. Yes, she's 1213 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,519 Speaker 1: also a character actress that I've seen places. I've seen 1214 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,320 Speaker 1: her a million players. They're pulling a lot of like 1215 01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,680 Speaker 1: the like kind of famous that you see guests are 1216 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,120 Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, there's a lot of vaguely faces in 1217 01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:34,559 Speaker 1: this movie, including Bradley Cooper's dog, feminist icon, Bradley Cooper's dog, 1218 01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,519 Speaker 1: which is his real dog, Bradley Cooper's real dog, and 1219 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,040 Speaker 1: really doctor basically understanding Bradley cast a lot of people 1220 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,680 Speaker 1: he knew, like the drag queens he knew. Those are 1221 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,880 Speaker 1: my favorite scenes in the movie. The first thirty minutes. 1222 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,040 Speaker 1: It's fun, there's there's comedy, there's jokes, there's drag queens. 1223 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,439 Speaker 1: I'm having a great time. And then it starts to 1224 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,320 Speaker 1: I could not be less thrilled. Yeah, Ali is like 1225 01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,680 Speaker 1: neutralized through as a story goes on. I suppose this 1226 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 1: is the time where we give our nipples. Let's right, 1227 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,080 Speaker 1: nipple wise, yes, scale one or zero to five on 1228 01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,880 Speaker 1: basil how truths women? That's right. I'm gonna go with 1229 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:17,040 Speaker 1: a solid two. I suppose where it's a story about 1230 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 1: a woman, but we don't get to know her that well. 1231 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,160 Speaker 1: The story is told from a man's perspective, both in 1232 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:31,160 Speaker 1: terms of the Jack main character and the director and 1233 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,760 Speaker 1: writers and everything like that. So I think a lot 1234 01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,360 Speaker 1: of things that could have been that, like the opportunity 1235 01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,080 Speaker 1: was there for the movie to comment on, like the 1236 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 1: fact that women in entertainment are often held to this 1237 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,400 Speaker 1: insane standard of beauty and image that gets touched on 1238 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,040 Speaker 1: but doesn't go any further than that. Things like Bradley 1239 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,519 Speaker 1: Cooper's characters creepy predatory behavior where she says no, I 1240 01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,639 Speaker 1: can't come to your gig and he's like, Okay, I'll 1241 01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,000 Speaker 1: send my driver to pick you up. Um, showed up 1242 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,560 Speaker 1: is troubling. Maybe two is too generous because like I 1243 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,760 Speaker 1: can't really think of anything that makes me think that 1244 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:17,120 Speaker 1: anything was progressive about this movie. So yeah, I like 1245 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,720 Speaker 1: that there's a representation on screen of drag queens. That's awesome. Um. 1246 01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:27,640 Speaker 1: So so like like it's a lady. Lady is a 1247 01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,720 Speaker 1: queer icon. She she has a literal queer I think 1248 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,120 Speaker 1: that every with the exception of Janet Gaynor, every woman 1249 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,840 Speaker 1: who's ever played this part is a queer icon Streisande 1250 01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,200 Speaker 1: in Garland. I mean she's in good company and that's 1251 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,920 Speaker 1: oh That's one last thing I wanted to say about 1252 01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,280 Speaker 1: Ali's character that is like a standby of this character 1253 01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,839 Speaker 1: that makes Lady Gaga such good casting as she's supposed 1254 01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,479 Speaker 1: to be a character who is considered a little bit 1255 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,720 Speaker 1: too old to be becoming famous, and she has an 1256 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,160 Speaker 1: unconventional like she's not like a model in terms of like, 1257 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,040 Speaker 1: and that's why the nose comment in the whole a 1258 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,080 Speaker 1: bit and that's right there. Ye. Yeah, she's supposed to 1259 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,160 Speaker 1: be like thirty or thirty one or two or whatever, 1260 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:11,840 Speaker 1: like older older two, but she's thirty two. Okay, here's 1261 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,160 Speaker 1: what I'll give the movie two nipples because of the 1262 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,840 Speaker 1: scene that's basically an exact replica of a scene from 1263 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:23,720 Speaker 1: Titanic where in a star is born. Allie's behind like backstage. 1264 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,560 Speaker 1: He's trying to coax her on stage to be like 1265 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,120 Speaker 1: sing your song or else I'll plagiarize it, and she's like, no, Jack, No, 1266 01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't possibly Jack, And that basically happens in Titanic 1267 01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,000 Speaker 1: between Jack and Rose. The name is even the same 1268 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,880 Speaker 1: with Jack. So yeah, two nipples. I will give both 1269 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,040 Speaker 1: nipples to Lady Gaga because we see her nips in 1270 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,439 Speaker 1: this film. We sure do I'm going to give it 1271 01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:53,639 Speaker 1: this version. Uh one and a half. Yeah, I can't 1272 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,360 Speaker 1: in good time. It's weird because I am going to 1273 01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,160 Speaker 1: see it for a third time, but you know I 1274 01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:01,920 Speaker 1: contain multitudes as well. I reserve the rie. Uh yeah. No, 1275 01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:06,720 Speaker 1: It's like, it is not a story that treats women well. 1276 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,400 Speaker 1: It's never treated women well. And and as to this 1277 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,920 Speaker 1: version kind of doesn't update it in the way it 1278 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,080 Speaker 1: treats its female character really at all, which is a 1279 01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,519 Speaker 1: bummer because it is two thousand eighteen and there's in 1280 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,040 Speaker 1: fact less women involved in the production of this movie 1281 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,400 Speaker 1: that have been involved in past versions. So ultimately, I 1282 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:28,519 Speaker 1: think by making the alcoholic character more lovable and making 1283 01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:33,200 Speaker 1: the female protagonists taking away her last name, we get 1284 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,680 Speaker 1: no acknowledgement of how this toxic relationship is really affecting her. 1285 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,639 Speaker 1: There are only men in her life that's never called 1286 01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,720 Speaker 1: attention to. It's like, and then there's a lot of 1287 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,960 Speaker 1: like false setups, like you were saying, Caitlin, of like 1288 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,960 Speaker 1: she mentions that you know, she's like not the perfect 1289 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Western standard of beauty and that's held her back in 1290 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,800 Speaker 1: the past, but that's never really commented on, and she 1291 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,800 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to mind when they totally change her. And 1292 01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:58,800 Speaker 1: and you know, there's a few moments of like, I 1293 01:13:58,840 --> 01:13:59,960 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, I don't know, but she 1294 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,920 Speaker 1: always does it aside from her hair, uh, she always 1295 01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,160 Speaker 1: goes through the way that we don't know how she 1296 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,360 Speaker 1: feels about that, um, and we don't know how she 1297 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,720 Speaker 1: feels about her relationship. She refuses to tell us how 1298 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,200 Speaker 1: she feels about her relationship with her father. And so 1299 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,280 Speaker 1: the character is there. There's like an interesting character there, 1300 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,880 Speaker 1: but we just we just don't get at her, which 1301 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,960 Speaker 1: is too bad. Uh. So I will see it again 1302 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,680 Speaker 1: this week and one a half Nippy give one to 1303 01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:33,680 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, and then I'm gonna give one to um 1304 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,920 Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper's dog. Sure, I'm sorry the other half Um 1305 01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,800 Speaker 1: I would give it to. I would give an honoraryone 1306 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,479 Speaker 1: just for the cinematography. I thought it was just very 1307 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,479 Speaker 1: well shocked um No streisand asked in this one. But 1308 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,320 Speaker 1: you know what, I just really like that kind of 1309 01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,240 Speaker 1: aesthetic where you when they shoot like music or just 1310 01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,519 Speaker 1: even concert, that you feel like you're like breathing it, 1311 01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,320 Speaker 1: like they get all up in his business, which I 1312 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,280 Speaker 1: think is an interest choice. Actually, though they don't really 1313 01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:03,920 Speaker 1: do it with Lady Gaga as much. They really get 1314 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,479 Speaker 1: into like Bradley's like air, like you feel like you're 1315 01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,080 Speaker 1: like breathing the same areas when he's like playing. That's 1316 01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,559 Speaker 1: from my film school background, but the real, the real 1317 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm really giving it two nips because, like Jamie was saying, 1318 01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,920 Speaker 1: the whole like male savior vibe of like you needed 1319 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 1: a man to make it was kind of whatever, like 1320 01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,599 Speaker 1: that's not that interesting of a trope, Like it's kind 1321 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,439 Speaker 1: of like, oh okay, Like it would have been interesting 1322 01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,599 Speaker 1: if I don't know, they real lesbian couple. Who knows, 1323 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,679 Speaker 1: like they could have mixed it up in some way, 1324 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,360 Speaker 1: so it wasn't just like Bradley Cooper's chance to be 1325 01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,360 Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper like and everyone kepting like, oh, how great 1326 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:39,600 Speaker 1: he is in the film, Like yeah, but he's a 1327 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,479 Speaker 1: great actor, Like we know he's going to be fine, 1328 01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,320 Speaker 1: Like we know he'll be able to transform himself, like whatever, 1329 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,160 Speaker 1: he'll play a d agent next time. It's fine. He 1330 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,920 Speaker 1: was a different accent, Like I'm not super moved by that, 1331 01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,719 Speaker 1: but like I was very impressed with Lady Gaga because 1332 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,719 Speaker 1: I've never really seen her act before, Like I didn't 1333 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,920 Speaker 1: watch when she was an American horror story or anything 1334 01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,880 Speaker 1: like that. And I thought it was great that she 1335 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,320 Speaker 1: because I know I've read before in the past that 1336 01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,600 Speaker 1: she really struggled for a very long time, like I 1337 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,519 Speaker 1: believe she was raped at nineteen by music industry person 1338 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,880 Speaker 1: and so she her whole She's admitted that her whole 1339 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,080 Speaker 1: facade of how she would dress up was just like 1340 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,720 Speaker 1: her hiding like from the world and like covering up 1341 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,639 Speaker 1: and wearing all this makeup and having all these wigs 1342 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,760 Speaker 1: and having all this like crazy costumes. Was her distancing 1343 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,439 Speaker 1: her real self from like the madness of like you know, 1344 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,600 Speaker 1: everyone and people were coming at her. And so I 1345 01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,599 Speaker 1: thought this was like a very strong role for her 1346 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,280 Speaker 1: to be like completely sands makeup, completely sands anything. And 1347 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,559 Speaker 1: And while it was, you know, it was acting her 1348 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:37,320 Speaker 1: like growing into this pop star and you kind of 1349 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,000 Speaker 1: see it happening. It was like a very interesting growth 1350 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,000 Speaker 1: to see within a film that you don't really see. 1351 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,240 Speaker 1: You never see like someone becomes like sell out so aggressively, 1352 01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,000 Speaker 1: Like that's rarely that trope is really done in films, 1353 01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,799 Speaker 1: unless you're like watching films specifically about industries like acting 1354 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,320 Speaker 1: or music or whatever. So that was cool to see 1355 01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,680 Speaker 1: and I really appreciated Gaga's work and I'm glad she 1356 01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,640 Speaker 1: kept the music as pure to Gaga as it could be, 1357 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,960 Speaker 1: like her voice stage, she didn't try and change it 1358 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:09,439 Speaker 1: for anything like that. So when I first heard that, 1359 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,680 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's Lady Gaga. Like that's when 1360 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,599 Speaker 1: you know it's Gaga when she doesn't try and change 1361 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,559 Speaker 1: her voice for anyone and she keeps it how it's 1362 01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,519 Speaker 1: how it's always been. She's got that very powerful voice, 1363 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,479 Speaker 1: and I was moved by her singing. I think she's 1364 01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,320 Speaker 1: an amazing artist and just a performer who knows what 1365 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,519 Speaker 1: she's doing. And yes, I did just watch her Lady 1366 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:33,000 Speaker 1: Gaga documentary and I highly recommend it because she's so 1367 01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, you really see her struggle. She has 1368 01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,639 Speaker 1: like aggressive like nerve pain that like ruins her everyday life, 1369 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,080 Speaker 1: where she'll just be like a complete and total like 1370 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,280 Speaker 1: just in a coma of pain and can't move. It's 1371 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,960 Speaker 1: like she has to deal with a lot of that 1372 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,400 Speaker 1: and it's all like from PTSD of being like raped 1373 01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,519 Speaker 1: and all the anxiety and trauma from her life that 1374 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,599 Speaker 1: her entire body, like spasms and complete pain, and she's 1375 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,120 Speaker 1: gotten through a lot of it now, But I don't know. 1376 01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,160 Speaker 1: She has a very interesting story and I think it 1377 01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,720 Speaker 1: kind of parallels a lot of this storyline of a 1378 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,479 Speaker 1: woman becoming less. So she made herself, you know, by 1379 01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,280 Speaker 1: herself and not with the help of a man. But 1380 01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,759 Speaker 1: like there's an interesting juxtaposition of her turning into this person. 1381 01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,320 Speaker 1: And then you know, I have this hope that Ali 1382 01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,280 Speaker 1: slowly turns back around and goes back to her original 1383 01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,760 Speaker 1: like artists, you know self. So I give one nip 1384 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,960 Speaker 1: to Lady Gaga and her performance in this film, and 1385 01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,439 Speaker 1: another nip to Angela from the drag Queen crew, who 1386 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,960 Speaker 1: apparently had to be convinced by Lady Gaga to be 1387 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,760 Speaker 1: in the film. And I think her character is so 1388 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,559 Speaker 1: funny in the beginning, as like this, you know, she's 1389 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,920 Speaker 1: just not having it. She's not impressed. She's like, get 1390 01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,680 Speaker 1: the funk out of here, I have shipped to do. 1391 01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,680 Speaker 1: She's so funny to the other drag queen who has 1392 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,840 Speaker 1: him signed his tits like she he already signed your tits. 1393 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,320 Speaker 1: Stop making him sing for you. And the fact that 1394 01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:53,040 Speaker 1: she was in the Virgil is we've shared a stage 1395 01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:58,400 Speaker 1: with Lady So great anyway, two nips, one honorary for 1396 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,759 Speaker 1: the cinematography, which is one more point for Lady Gaga. 1397 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,759 Speaker 1: As of today, she wrote a long op ed about 1398 01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,360 Speaker 1: suicide and it doesn't directly say it's because of how 1399 01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:15,000 Speaker 1: it's portrayed in the movie. But did a great job, so, 1400 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,679 Speaker 1: you know, cleaning up a little bit of Coope's mess. Maybe. 1401 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,960 Speaker 1: So she's she's just the greatest. She's an ally got 1402 01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,960 Speaker 1: to us all alive the ally. Yeah. Well, Anna, thanks 1403 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,439 Speaker 1: so much for being here. Thank you so much for 1404 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,360 Speaker 1: having me. This was so fun. Yeah. I've had a 1405 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:38,519 Speaker 1: great time singing and dancing choreography. Yeah yeah. Where can 1406 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,080 Speaker 1: people find you online? What would you like to plug? 1407 01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:42,840 Speaker 1: You can listen to my podcast with Shrine Units, who 1408 01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,240 Speaker 1: did the Latin episode of this show, Ethnically Ambiguous. 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I just wanted 1444 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:05,599 Speaker 1: to get one more though here Jim, yeah, here look 1445 01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,400 Speaker 1: at Thanks so much. Okay, bye God