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Speaker 1: we got to revisit corrections corner. You're such a loser. Well,

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Speaker 1: in our episode about Murasaki Shikibu and the Tale of Genji,

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Speaker 1: childhood favorite. And I said Wishbone was a beagle. Fortunately,

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Speaker 1: And I apologize to everyone because the Wishbone deserves more respects.

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Speaker 1: review on Apple Podcasts talking about how he likes to

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Speaker 1: Diana and I'm Eli, and today we have a very

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Speaker 1: exciting story about George Remus. This one was suggested by

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Speaker 1: But yeah. So this story is about George Remus, who

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Speaker 1: was a super smart guy. He went from drug store

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Speaker 1: of iHeart Radio, let's talk about George Remus. This guy

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Speaker 1: she filed for divorce in nineteen nineteen for cruelty. She

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Speaker 1: will you never know if somebody's gonna have to swim

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Speaker 1: through a vat a lot of vats in the in

425
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: the booze business, or take a keg up the river. Sure, yeah,

426
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: sometimes that's gonna happen. So anyway, Yeah, he could easily

427
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: set up a fully legal operation basically to buy and

428
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 1: sell alcohol for medicinal purposes. But George, as we know,

429
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: is ambitious. He wanted more. He wanted it all. Namely,

430
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: he wanted all the whiskey in the US under his

431
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: personal control. Oh is that all? He actually thought that

432
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: he could get so big that he'd be able to

433
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: have stock in his illegal business on Wall Street. I

434
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: love it. It's time for George to get to work.

435
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: At First, he tried to start operating in Chicago, which is,

436
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: of course where he lived, and your go to town

437
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: for for bootlegging booze. Right, If I if I had

438
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: to guess anywhere to bootleg booze, I'd say Chicago. That's

439
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: where they did it, right, al capone bing bang boom,

440
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: bing bang boom. But then he realized eight of America's

441
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: bonded whiskey was actually within three hundred miles of Cincinnati.

442
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: Plus Cincinnati had a huge German population there, and the

443
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: Volstead Act was unpopular to basically the whole place. Yeah,

444
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: nobody like that, a perfect place for him to set

445
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: up shop. He bought fourteen distilleries with millions of gallons

446
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: of whiskey inside. He got everything from Fleishman's to Jack Daniels,

447
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: just all the whiskey. Yeah. And by the way, all

448
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: this whiskey is legal because it's as long as it's

449
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: already made and sitting in the warehouse, it's fine. You're good.

450
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: That's why it's bonded whiskey. It's government owned kind of,

451
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: so you need like a government withdrawal certificate to take

452
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: it out legally. So he buys another drug store in Covington, Kentucky,

453
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: to distribute his alcohol on the medical market, medicinal alcohol,

454
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: I love it. But he would also hire guys to

455
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: hijack his own trucks to divert the liquor back to

456
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: the bootlegging market. He also had a farm in northwest Cincinnati,

457
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: which he dubbed Death Valley because of all the hired

458
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: gunmen he had protecting the road that led to it.

459
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: His business became so vast that it grossed as much

460
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: as twenty five million dollars per year that is not

461
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: adjusted for inflation. That is how much he was bringing

462
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: in in nineteen, which amounts to three hundred and eighty

463
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: million dollars today a year. And he employed hundreds of

464
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: drivers and guards and salesmen. He had office personnel, warehouse workers, YadA, YadA, YadA,

465
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: A big, big hole industry, a lot of jobs. Acrane

466
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: also writes, quote plus of course the lawyers, the politicians,

467
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: prohibition agents, police officers, and other confederates necessary to any

468
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: self respecting criminal operation. Big payroll basically here. So he

469
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: and his family, Imogene and and Ruth moved to Cincinnati,

470
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: and at first they hang out in this hotel room

471
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: for a little while before they get a house. But

472
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: that turned out to be a bit of a mistake.

473
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: US Treasury agent William J. Mellon bugged his hotel room

474
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: and he listened to everything that happened inside it. One

475
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: day he heard that George was about to bring eighteen

476
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: great cars of illegal liquor across the Ohio River from

477
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: Kentucky and dis Cincinnati. When he took the info to

478
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: the prohibition enforcement officials in Cincinnati, they barely cared. They

479
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: told him Son, there's times when a man has to

480
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: be practical in this business. It's only a few weeks

481
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: to election, and the information you've dug up is political dynamite.

482
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: The menu spied on, the agents and marshals are political appointees.

483
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: Go back to New York and forget it. Incredible. When

484
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: the election came and went, Warren Harding became president. And

485
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: Harding's presidency is pretty obscured these days because he had

486
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: a hard time making decisions, so he's kind of a waffler.

487
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: But he had some good moves. He was the first

488
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: to allow regular people inside the White House thanks Um.

489
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: He brought black people back to government jobs after Woodrow

490
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: Wilson pretty much purged all of them. Yeah, he was

491
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: very racist, and he urged Congress to pass an anti

492
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: lynching bill, and he traveled to Georgia to tell everyone

493
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: that black people should be able to vote. So big

494
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: thumbs up for for Warren Harding there. Warren g And

495
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: when it came to Prohibition, he wasn't really into it either,

496
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: it seems, because he appointed people to his cabinet like

497
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Andrew Mellon, who was the Treasury Secretary. He loathed prohibition.

498
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: He was super against it. And the Prohibition commissioner, Roy

499
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: Haynes quote was a punchline. According to Akrant, his Attorney General,

500
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: Harry Doherty, I'm not gonna worry about it. In fact,

501
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: Doherty actually brought a friend with him to Washington named

502
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: Jess Smith. Jess was just supposed to be an unpaid

503
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: aid but actually what he started doing with selling government

504
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: withdrawals certificates for liquor as the paperwork that you need

505
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: to legally move liquor around that we talked about earlier, well,

506
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: George wanted those certificates, as you can imagine, so he

507
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: got close to Jess real quick, along with every other bootlegger.

508
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: Immigrant Entrepreneurship says it made George feel invincible. He thought

509
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: he had protection for his enterprise at every level, quote

510
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: from local police to the president's cabinet. But President Harding

511
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: was also looking around for a woman to a point.

512
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: Suffragettes were super politically powerful at this point in the twenties,

513
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: and he was looking for a symbolic appointment. Right, I

514
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: need a token woman to make the ladies feel good. Yeah,

515
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: let's show and a twist. Let's show them. We'll hire

516
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: women by hiring one woman. That's the way to do it. Yeah,

517
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: and no more too many. So they settled on Mabel

518
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: Walker Willebrandt. She was this thirty two year old woman.

519
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: She was only five years out of law school, without

520
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: a single case under her belt. Perfect person to be

521
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: the assistant Attorney General in charge of cracking down on

522
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: the volsted violators. That's how much they did not care.

523
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: They were like, good luck, but you're gonna get overwhelmed

524
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: real fast. But they didn't know about Mabel. Okay. Mabel

525
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: was deely, she was relentless, She was stoic and very proud.

526
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: She was also nearly deaf. According to crime reads dot

527
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: com article The Blue Stocking Lawyer Versus the Bootleg King,

528
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: she would spend an hour each morning arranging her hair

529
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: to conceal her hearing aids. Those hearing aids helped her

530
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: hear a whole bunch of annoying shit about her clothes

531
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: and figure, So that's annoying. She worked really hard to

532
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: not be too masculine or too feminine, not too aggressive

533
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: or too agreeable. That that old tight rope that a

534
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: lot of ladies are probably nodding along about right now.

535
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: Mabel wrote an article once called give Women a Fighting Chance,

536
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: saying quote, a boy must do the job well and

537
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: develop personality. A girl must do the job well and

538
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: develop personality. Plus break down the skepticism of her ability

539
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: walk the tight rope of sexlessness without loss of her

540
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: essential charm, keep up an impersonal fight against constant efforts

541
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: to sidetrack her, Devote extra work and thought to making

542
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: an opportunity out of every little opening, make the hard

543
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: choice between giving up children and home life in order

544
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: to advance or having them in the face of increased prejudice.

545
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: And lastly, maintain a cheerful and normal outlook on life

546
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: and its adjustments in spite of her handicaps, which I

547
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: read and went, wow, nothing not a lot has changed, Sorry, Mabel,

548
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Look is it too much? To ask. It's a short list.

549
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: You just read it in like fifteen seconds. Boo. So

550
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: she wasn't a particular fan of prohibition herself. In fact,

551
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: she was a bit of a social drinker, you know. Yeah,

552
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: pour me a stiff one. It's been a long day. Yeah.

553
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: And the job was extremely hard. I mean, not only

554
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: was the cabinet she worked for super not into prosecuting

555
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: liquor cases. There was also a lot of creative ways

556
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: people were smuggling booze. Crime Reads says a double amputee

557
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: war veteran boasted that he could carry thirty six points

558
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: in his artificial arm and leg. A woman also hid

559
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: points in her fake rubber breasts. A raid in a

560
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: soda parlor in Montana found squirt guns with a too

561
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: drink capacid. I love going to the bar and being like,

562
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: I'll have a I'll have the man's leg on the right. Hey,

563
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: scored me a shot. Yeah, squeeze me a martini. I

564
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: don't one of them rubb it easy, get there. I've

565
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: got the breast liquor in the world. Wow. Hey, you know,

566
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: necessity is the mother of invention. I think they called

567
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: it boob Wweiser. I hope they did. If they didn't,

568
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: I'll take a boob wiser but added to my tab.

569
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of creative ways people were getting

570
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: around this law. Um and it made it very overwhelming.

571
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: But Mabel was determined to show that she was the

572
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: boss bitch around here. That's right, But she had not

573
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: caught onto George yet. By this time, George has been

574
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: in business for two years. He has created one of

575
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: the largest illegal liquor enterprises in the US. Gross revenues

576
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: exceeded fifty million dollars, which is around seven hundred and

577
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: fifty eight million dollars today. So he and Image and

578
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: are living large. Okay. They had a huge mansion where

579
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: George installed this beautiful Grecian swimming pool lined with rookwood

580
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: tile and surrounded by Southern palms and colorful lights. He

581
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: called it imaging baths in honor of his wife. They

582
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: had insanely lavish parties where every guest would find a

583
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: one thousand dollar bill under their dinner plates. Spoiler alert

584
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: about my personal money situation. But I didn't know there

585
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: was a one thousand dollar bills, So I was like, oh, really,

586
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: if I found a thousand dollar bill under my dinner plate.

587
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: I'd be like, well this is fake. I would yeah,

588
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: definitely be like, oh this is very funny, and I'd

589
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: tear it up. I would turn it around and be like,

590
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: is it going to be like you've been saved? For

591
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: party favors? Women would get diamond earrings and new pontiacs,

592
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: and men would get diamonds, stickpins and gold watches. I'm sorry,

593
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: can I trade my watch in for a Pontiac? Right?

594
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, today it's like some candy and like

595
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: a weird ring pop or something, But I okay, could

596
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: I have to pay taxes on those? At one New

597
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: Year's Eve party, Ruth jumped in the swimming pool yelling

598
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Happy New Year's and George joined her in full tuxedo,

599
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: which I just thought was cute because it made him

600
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: look fun, you know, and cool or whatever. But he

601
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: also left the party shortly after, retiring to his library

602
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: to eat ice cream and read a biography of Abraham

603
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: Lincoln until dawn. Of course, that's so George to be like,

604
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: oh no, this party is such a rage. I'm having

605
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: such a good time time to read a biography of

606
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. You know what, I haven't learned anything yet Yeah,

607
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: the best liquor is information. It's some toxic I like

608
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: to get drunk off of knowledge. But George truly was

609
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: in love with Imogene crime Read says that he depended

610
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: on her socially and in business pursuits, and he sought

611
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: her advice in deals. He can add it in her.

612
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: He gave her little nicknames, his little emo, the truest

613
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: and sweetest, my prime Minister, my centipede, my monkey, my gem,

614
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: the apple of my eye, not just of fun eye,

615
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: but the apple of both of my eyes. Look at that.

616
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: That's just sickeningly sweet. And she was super cool. She

617
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: was dashing, She was a fashionable flapper. She was always

618
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: in the middle of everything. She was glamorous, and she

619
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: was totally devoted to George too. So the two of

620
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: them were just this power couple in the bootlegging industry.

621
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: But one day, you know, George, he flew a little

622
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: close to the sun. George had attracted federal attention when

623
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: he put through his biggest liquor shipment. Yet it was

624
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: enough whiskey to cover every single physician in America for

625
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: their prescriptions for a year. But it was this routine

626
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: traffic stop that did him in. A guy got stopped

627
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: for some definitely little traffic violation, you know, like didn't

628
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: use your blinker or like, you know, bump the curb,

629
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: ran to stop sign something like that, something non nonsense,

630
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: and they found a little whiskey in his trunk. And

631
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: the guys like, okay, I'll tell you everything. I'll tell

632
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: you exactly when I got it. I got a George

633
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: Death Valley farm, and the cops are like, oh wow,

634
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: that was much easier than I expected it. And soon

635
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: the cops stopped another guy who had several cases of

636
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: whiskey in his car, and he also was just like, hey,

637
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: you got nothing to me. I was just transporting this

638
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: whiskey from from Death Valley. And not only that, I

639
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: know that there's nine men who control all the liquor

640
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: distribution in over sixty cities and these guys just spill it. Yeah,

641
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: they do not care at all, Like I'm just the

642
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: driver here. I mean. So, the Feds rated Death Valley,

643
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: they seized all the liquor there, which was of course

644
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: insane amounts of sugar, and they indicted George on three

645
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: thousand charges of volstead violation. It was like one of

646
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: the most sweeping indictments in the history of American the

647
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: American justice system at that George, of course, quickly remembered

648
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: all his high level connections and he met with JESF. Smith,

649
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: and Jess promised him that Dougherty, the Attorney General, would

650
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: make sure George would never see prison. But then George

651
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: was found guilty. He was sentenced to two years in

652
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary, which is just down the street

653
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: from us UM. He also got a ten thousand dollar fine,

654
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: which seems like not enough for what was going on here.

655
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: And he met again with Jess, who again assured him

656
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: that Dougherty would get him pardoned. Don't worry about It's

657
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: going to be fine, oh, Jess, making big promises. Jess

658
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: was found dead later of an apparent self inflicted gunshot

659
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: wound to the head. At the time was senator from Alabama.

660
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: Said that he was murdered because Andrew Mellon, the Treasury Secretary,

661
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: had loaned the Republican National Committee five million dollars and

662
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: they only paid back three million, and Jess was in

663
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: charge of getting the rest of the money from the bootleggers.

664
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: It seems a little fishy in either case. You know

665
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: hashtag JESF. Smith didn't kill himself, all right, It's possible

666
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: that he killed himself because he was supposed to get

667
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: two million dollars from bootleggers. He couldn't and he was like,

668
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: oh ship. But either way, some shady was going on

669
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: with Jeff Smith, and it's an unsolved mystery. So in

670
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: George got ready to go to prison, he gave power

671
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: of attorney to imagine giving her possession of their mansion,

672
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: that huge, gorgeous, ridiculous mansion with the imaging baths. And

673
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: he gave her over a million dollars in withdrawal certificates.

674
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: He gave her stock in the Fleishman distillery, he gave

675
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: her everything. So she was pretty much the de facto

676
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: head of his entire business. As long as he was

677
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: in prison, she comforted him. She said, never mind, when

678
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: it's all over, bogle awayte somewhere and forget the disgrace.

679
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: And George took the train the penitentiary reading Dante's Inferno.

680
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: It's got a book for every situation. It's like, I'm

681
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: going to prison, what do I want to read? I'm

682
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: about going to hell. Let's see what abandoned all hope

683
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: he who enter here. Yeah, although at first everything was

684
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: fine for George. Emma Jane visited often, she cleaned to

685
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: sell and cooked at meals. Okrant says that he stayed

686
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: in a cushy part of the penitentiary called Millionaires Row,

687
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: and later he had his own apartment in the prisons

688
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: hospital building, where he quote eight dinner each evening with

689
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: two other well connected bootleggers in the peaceful hush of

690
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: the prisons Catholic chapel. Is there a problem with the

691
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: prison system that we need to talk about. I think

692
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: it's all working out great. Okay, never mind, I thought

693
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: there was something grossly unbalanced and corrupt. Oh well, I

694
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: didn't finish my sentence. I was going to say, it's

695
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: all working out great for a very small segment of

696
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: the population that was a part of left that right. Well,

697
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: then discussion over. We can stop talking about the prison system. Now.

698
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: Everything's fine. His business was safe outside prison with with Imogene,

699
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: and he was safe inside it. So he's like, I'll

700
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: do a couple of years, easy time. Everything's fine. My

701
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: wife is handling this. We're good. If there's one thing

702
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about, it's the way my

703
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: wife handles things because we are very much in love

704
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: and there's and she has complete power and control over

705
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: my enormous, multimillion dollar business. Nothing to worry about. Meanwhile,

706
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: Mabel is always working hard in the background. She decides

707
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: she's going to tap a rising star at the Bureau

708
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: of Investigation, which would eventually, of course, become the FBI,

709
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: and he was going to help her take George down.

710
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: This guy she tapped, he was the thirty year old

711
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: Franklin Dodge, and he'd already helped bust up a ring

712
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: of Georgian bootleggers called the Savannah Four. He got sent

713
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: to Atlanta to investigate the warden of the penitentiary, right,

714
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: and he discovered a bunch of corrupt practices going on

715
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: at this prison that George was in. While he was there,

716
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: he met George, and George told him he'd be willing

717
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: to name the federal officers he'd bribed in exchange for leniency,

718
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: and Dodge told him he'd look into He said, I'll,

719
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: I'll look into it for you, George. Maybe we can

720
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: make something work here, Maybe we gotta s abside deal.

721
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: And so George tells imaging, Hey, why don't you all

722
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: go flirt with Dodge next time he's there, because Dodge,

723
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: that's my best chance to get out of the jail.

724
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: So hey, my wife there with all the money in

725
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: business and everything in my life, she has a control

726
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: of it. Right now, why didn't you go flirt with

727
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: this guy? This is young powerful hi here, and we'll

728
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: see how things go. Even though he's in jail, George's

729
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: legal troubles keep coming. A big shipment of whiskey from

730
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: his Jack Daniel's distillery was busted as being stolen thanks

731
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: to Franklin Dodge, by the way, and George was indicted

732
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: while he was still in jail film for this other crime.

733
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: So George met with Mabel herself this time, and he

734
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: told her he would testify if he could have immunity

735
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: for this charge. So she agreed. He became their star witness.

736
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: He told everyone in all about his arrangement with Dougherty

737
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: and Smith, how he built his empire. He told him

738
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: there's no doctor in the world who prescribes alcohol for

739
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: a medicinal purpose, so their dumb law was the problem

740
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: and not him. He called it the greatest comedy, the

741
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: greatest perversion of justice, that I've ever known in any

742
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: civilized country in the world. And Mabel managed to indict

743
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: twenty three people for the Jack Daniels distillery theft, including

744
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: some prominent St. Louis politicians. Wow, she's racking up. He

745
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: was doing good, I'm sure, especially after Dougherty and Smith

746
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: were named in court. I feel strongly that all of

747
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: them were like, oh, ship, ship and run. We fucked

748
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: up and got a capable woman instead of some DEMI. Now,

749
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: Imogene was visiting less and less. She just wantsn't come

750
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: by so much, and George was starting to hear rumors

751
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: that she might be cheating on him with some strange

752
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: guy who happened to be a federal agent who happened

753
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: to be building a case against him, Franklin Dodge. He

754
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: refused to believe it, he says not, frank would never

755
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: do be like that. Imagine would never do be like that.

756
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: We've got deals to both of us. But Mabel heard

757
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: the same rumors, and she decided she was going to

758
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: go check it out, because maybe Mabel gets to the

759
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: bottom of things, that's what she do. And it turns

760
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: out they were true. Franklin and Imogene had started a

761
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: love affair because, of course, imagine had flirted with Franklin

762
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: just like George wanted her to. But you know, I

763
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: guess he flirted back and it worked. Franklin was able

764
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: to convince her to start liquidating George's empire and hiding

765
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: the money. Uh speculation station. I got an idea, maybe

766
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: he like convinced her, Hey, you know, hey, George, she

767
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: ain't never getting out, so how about how about we

768
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: just take this money ourselves, forget him. He's stuck in there.

769
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: Let's just take it and go you And probably because

770
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: I was definitely like, what made her think that taking

771
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: his money and running off with another man would be

772
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: more profitable in the long run than staying with George

773
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: who has proved himself many times over to be a

774
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: guy who can make a lot of money. So maybe

775
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: she was just actually really fell in love with Franklin

776
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: Dodge and was like, I don't whatever you want to do,

777
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: or I'm in you know, I don't know, but she's

778
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: a bit of a bit about this. To George, I

779
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: have to say, sometimes that big stack of cash right

780
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: now is more enticing than a larger stack spread out

781
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: over time. Very true, Bird in hand and all that well. However,

782
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: he convinced her. He did convince her like big time.

783
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: She went all the way with this. She used the

784
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: power of attorney she'd gotten from George to strip him

785
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: of his fortune. They rated his bank accounts in safe

786
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: deposit boxes. They sold off his whiskey certificates and distilleries. Franklin,

787
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: of course, was forced to resign from the bureau after

788
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: Mabel found out that he was acting inappropriate. So he

789
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: didn't have job at this point. Um, but he's doing fine.

790
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: He's trying to sell off these certific kids. They're getting

791
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: all this money, and Imaging filed for divorce. In n

792
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: George found out that his entire multimillion dollar empire had

793
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: been sold off, piece by piece, and to add insult

794
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: to injury, they sent him a hundred dollars while he

795
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: was in jail, which feels like a little bit like

796
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: here's your cut, bitch, You know what I mean? That

797
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: is so me. So George finally gets out of prison

798
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: in nine and he went home only to find his

799
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: huge mansion's windows and doors nailed shut. When he got inside,

800
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: every stick of furniture was gone, the chandeliers were gone,

801
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: the tile of imaging baths had been stripped. They took

802
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: his bookcases. We left all the books thanks. In his

803
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: bedroom was an old cot and a pair of men's

804
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: shoes that didn't fit. And he found all his clothing

805
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: piled up in the backyard. He discovered this. She intended

806
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: to marry Franklin, so she removed the R from her

807
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: silver and replaced it with a D. Damn. They even

808
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 1: took the roast beast, even the roast. They shoved the

809
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: tree up the chimney. They took it all, all that

810
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: last little crumb. He went back for it, oh man.

811
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: And she had bought seven automobiles while he was in prison, too,

812
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: which I'm like, I guess you wanted one for each

813
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: day of the week. It's like you can't drive the

814
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: same car twice? What am I? How embarrassing? So George,

815
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: you know, he's an emotional guy. Situation, he breaks down

816
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: in tears. He stayed with some friends who said that

817
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: he lucinated he would see Immagene and Franklin together. George's

818
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: just at breakdown. He's at rock bottom right now? All right?

819
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: Is this not George's time? He's got no money, he's

820
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: got no business, he's got no wife. But you know George,

821
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: he's a go getter and he's not the kind of

822
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: guy to just take something lying down. He's a man

823
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: of action, and it was time to show it. And

824
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: it's time for us to show you some great commercials.

825
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: So we'll be right back and welcome back to the show. Everybody,

826
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: Imagine has taken everything. George had a mental breakdown, but

827
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: now he's like, I need to get my revenge. So

828
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: he got sad, then he got mad, then he got even.

829
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: He filed his own divorce suit against Imagine. He talked

830
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: about her often with the press, because you know, he

831
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk shit. He called her names like degenerated clay whoa, whoa, whoa, George,

832
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: there's children present. He called Franklin a moral leper, a

833
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: human parasite, and imagines pimp. It's a little little rude, unnecessary. Uh.

834
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: They were divorced. Proceedings went on for quite some time

835
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: because it was held up with counter suits and they were,

836
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, they were just going back and forth about it.

837
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: At one deposition, George got so mad that he tried

838
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: to throw Imagine's attorney out the window. Hey man, don't

839
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: kill the messenger. He's like batman, just holding him out.

840
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: I swear to me. Imogene and Franklin themselves were not

841
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: taking any of that lying down. They tried to get

842
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: George deported by telling the government that George had never

843
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: become an American citizen. They paid a hit man fifteen

844
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to try and kill him. Yeah, I don't

845
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: think I want to know that guy's story for Yeah,

846
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: that'll be fifteen dollars. Please, thank you very much. I'll

847
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: be right back after the murder, never to be seen again.

848
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: She also accused George of assassination plots against her. They

849
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: would both show up in court with bodyguards, quite a show.

850
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: We're not sure if he ever actually did. He certainly

851
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: would have had the connections to do so in the

852
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: bootlegging business, but he also didn't have a lot of

853
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: money to throw around imaging where's my fifteen thousand dollars? Also,

854
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: he kind of seemed like, if you want something done right,

855
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: you gotta do it yourself kind of guy. Right, So yeah,

856
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know about all that. Finally, on

857
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: October six, the divorce was going to be finalized. It

858
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: was all all the arguments had been argued and they

859
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: were done, but George found out that Imaging and her

860
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 1: daughter Ruth, we're staying at the Alms Hotel the day

861
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: of their divorce for seatings, so he got a driver

862
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 1: to take him there. They waited outside until he saw

863
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: Imagine and Ruth get into a cab. George's driver chased

864
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: the cab. Of course, the doctor Imagene knew she was

865
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: in trouble. At this point. She jumps out of the

866
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: cab and goes running up this hill with George close behind.

867
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: And in Ruth's court testimony, she said that George was

868
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: cursing and swearing and acted like he was crazy. He

869
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: grabbed my mother, saying I'll fix you, I'll fix you.

870
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: When he grabbed her, Ruth heard Imagine scream, oh, daddy, dear,

871
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: you know I love you, Daddy, you know I love you.

872
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: But George he was past caring about all that, so

873
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: he shoved the pistol into her abdomen and pulled the trigger.

874
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: It was actually only the second time in his life

875
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: that he'd ever used a gun, and Imagine was rushed

876
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: to the hospital and died on the operating table a

877
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: couple of hours later, and then George marched on down

878
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: to the Cincinnati Police station, flung the doors open, walked

879
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: up to the desk and said, I'd like to turn

880
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: myself in for a murder. When he learned that Imogene

881
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: had died, he told police quote, she who dances down

882
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: the Primrose Path must die on the Primrose Path. I'm happy.

883
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: This is the first peace of mind I've had in

884
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: two years. He said. He was only sad that he

885
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten to Franklin Dodge as well. He told reporters

886
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: that he turned himself in because he had a clear

887
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: conscience and didn't want to run around the country as

888
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: a fugitive. Quote. A man who feels that he has

889
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: performed a duty to society and that he has committed

890
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: no moral wrong does not run away from the consequences

891
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: of his act. He declared, I did you all. Basically,

892
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: I did you a favor you all. I killed his

893
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: horrible woman who was a duty to society. I did

894
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: nothing morally wrong. I'm a good guy. Very uh, very hary,

895
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: very harry though for sure. So he's of course indicted

896
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: for first degree murder. You first, because he first degree

897
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: murdered someone. He has his trial, of course a big sensation.

898
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: The prosecution was headed up by Charles Taft, who was

899
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: the son of the former president and at the time

900
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: current Chief Justice of the Supreme Court William Howard Taft,

901
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: and Ruth was tafts star witness. He painted Imagine as

902
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: a woman terrified of her violent husband who wanted to

903
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: testify against him, so he killed her because she knew

904
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: too much. But George's first wife Lillian, and their daughter

905
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: Romola testified for George. He represented himself. I know, I

906
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting that they did, because she said

907
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: he was violent towards her and stuff. He represented himself.

908
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: Of course, he pled transitory insanity, which is the same

909
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: defense that made him famous back in. It comes and goes.

910
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I'm crazy, sometimes I'm not. Sometimes I'm fine.

911
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: You can't blame me for sometimes being real crazy and violent.

912
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: Willian called Imaging a gold digger and said George had

913
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: killed her in self defense. It's kind of a stretchy

914
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: and Imaging became a woman who willingly participated in bootlegging,

915
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: but trade her husband for a corrupt government agent, stole

916
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: her husband's assets, and tried to have him killed. I mean,

917
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: which does have the benefit of being true. I don't

918
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: know about this violent husband and all that, but self defense,

919
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: you know. So George steps up to argue his own defense,

920
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: and he's in his element right dramatic case, telling his

921
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: own story. That's that's George to a t. He spoke

922
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: for an hour and a half, making the whole trial

923
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: more about prohibition than murder, saying, basically, the Volstad Act

924
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: created bootleggers like him and corrupted agents like Franklin Dodge. Yeah,

925
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: and if disagree, if it weren't for all that, I

926
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't have murdered my wife. And the jury is mostly

927
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: made up for first and second generation German immigrants, so

928
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: he appealed to them by talking about his humble beginnings.

929
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: He says, this defendant started life at five dollars a month,

930
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: and he may have contaminated his neighbors, but ladies and

931
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: men of the jury, we could not all be born

932
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: with a golden spoon in our mouths, like Charles P. Taft.

933
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: Some of the jurors wiped tears from their eyes as

934
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: he concluded that he just wanted justice, not compassion, and

935
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: that he had been defending the sanctity of his home

936
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: and if that was a crime, then lock me up.

937
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: And then he said, Merry Christmas. Charles was not amused.

938
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: He knew exactly what George was doing, and he told

939
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: the jurors George was playing with their emotions. He's basically

940
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: doing everything but singing. Oh Tannon bombs him fucking appealed

941
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: to them. He's like, don't let him play with you.

942
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: The trial lasted five weeks in two days, but it

943
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: only took the jury nineteen minutes to decide that George

944
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: was not guilty by reason of insanity. Juror Robert Hosford

945
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: told the press when we retired, I said, let's go

946
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: out and give him a Christmas present. Let's make him

947
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: happy this Christmas. He says he wasn't happy last Christmas,

948
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: which I'm like, if every case is like, well he

949
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: wasn't happy last year, like, well, come on man. Basically,

950
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: the jury thought George had suffered enough at Emma Jane's

951
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: hands and she deserved what she got. On December, he

952
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: was committed to an asylum, but by April he was

953
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: out on appeal. His evaluation of his sanity was the

954
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: only time he would ever express remorse for killing Imogene.

955
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: He never did go after Franklin Dodge. He spent the

956
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: rest of his life trying to get his personal properties

957
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: and the distilleries that Franklin and Imagine had taken back

958
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: to himself. But he was never really successful in that

959
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: because it was perfectly legal because he had given her

960
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: his power of attorney, so she was allowed to sell whatever.

961
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: He had a real estate office in Cincinnati, and he

962
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: lived in Kentucky, just fading from public view, and he

963
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: died in nineteen fifty two and was laid to rest

964
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: in full Mouth, Kentucky, without any fanfare. Franklin Dodge repeatedly

965
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: denied having an inappropriate relationship with Imagine, even though there

966
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: was like, there's so much evidence, there is so much evidence, Franklin,

967
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: look at the evidence. Do you see it. Yeah. He

968
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: ended up serving three years at the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary

969
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: himself for false testimony in another bootlegging case. This guy's

970
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: just golden all around. And he ended up working for

971
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: the Michigan Liquor Control Commission after Prohibition. He married, and

972
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: he died in nine and George and Lillian's daughter Romola,

973
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: who had stuck by her dad through it all, she

974
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: became a silent film actress. She was actually the first

975
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: person to play Dorothy Gale in a Wizard of Oz film.

976
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: And there's no word on what happened to Ruth. She

977
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: would have been twenty at the time of her mother's murder.

978
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: If I can pull into speculation station, do you think

979
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: Ruth knew where all this money was hidden? Oh damn,

980
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: because that's the only thing I'm not I wasn't finding

981
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: is what happened to all the money? Because did Imagine

982
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: and Franklin actually spend it all before you got out

983
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: of prison? Man? Or did ruthly be like, I know

984
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: where this ship shot her? Ruth putting her sunglasses up,

985
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: looking over her shoulder, picking up two heavy Deffel bags.

986
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: And that's what I think I was like. And she

987
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: changed her name to it Betty Widen, made it fake

988
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: in Hollywood or something like. Uh So, no word what

989
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: happened to Ruth, But I'm thinking I'm thinking she knew

990
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: where that ship was buried and went off and lived

991
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: in great life, chilling with a lot of money and

992
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: some rookwood tile. That's the shot at the end. Do

993
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: you see a woman in a bathroom with all the

994
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: rookwood tile and they're like, and that's how you know

995
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: Oh shit, it's her. She got the tiles, she knew

996
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: where it all was. Wow. Well, prohibition, you know, fucked

997
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: up everybody wild time. Yeah. I mean again, even when

998
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: you look at I kind of get George's case that

999
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: like prohibition made people bad because it was a bad

1000
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: thing that we were kind of pushing back against. I mean,

1001
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: it's a lot like marijuana pro issition, isn't it, Because

1002
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, marijuana did actually does actually

1003
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: have some medicinal property. But you know, it's the same

1004
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: thing where it's sort of like, if you're poor and

1005
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: a minority, I'm using this against you to harm your

1006
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,479
Speaker 1: community as much as possible. Um, it's not really doing

1007
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: any harm. A lot of people use it and we

1008
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: know that, and we're just kind of letting it happen

1009
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: to the point where it is finally like you know what, fine,

1010
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: fuck it, Like, let's just do this. Why are we

1011
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: doing this? Right? And if you're rich, you get as

1012
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: you get as much as what you want with no consequences,

1013
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: and you can hire uh, you know, people in the

1014
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: losses in the legal system and the justice system to

1015
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: make it okay for you. It's it's it is very

1016
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: similar and it is. Yeah, that the same outcome where

1017
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: you're getting who's getting punished, you know, and who's getting

1018
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: away with it. Yeah. He even said one time, I

1019
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: realized the frailty of human nature, but I didn't count

1020
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: on the fact that in a clash between principles of

1021
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: right and wrong, justice would win. So it was like,

1022
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: as soon as he was like, oh, well, will just

1023
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: break the law, it's no big deal, he thought that

1024
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: he would totally be able to get away with it

1025
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: without any problem like that. That was his opinion of

1026
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: the justice systems, right, right, right, well man. And the

1027
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: other thing too is like, you know, I don't want

1028
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: to say it, kind of joked about it, but it's

1029
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: not like he should have expected his his wife to

1030
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: steal all of his money and assets. They seem to

1031
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: have a good thing going so and of course, you know,

1032
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm gonna leaned to

1033
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: her side because you know, she got murdered. That that

1034
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: was the wrong choice for George. You know, no matter

1035
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: how wrong he was, murder gonna go ahead and say it.

1036
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not afraid of the consequences of saying this

1037
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: on our show. Murder is bad. Always the wrong choice. Yeah,

1038
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: you know what's funny is that he was so anti

1039
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: capital punishment and then he decided to give her a

1040
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: capital punishment. Come on, I mean, how hypocritical are you?

1041
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: I guess Yeah, I can see that he lost all

1042
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: faith in the legal system at last, probably changed a

1043
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: lot of his opinions about things. That's true, That is true,

1044
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was definitely. I did feel a little

1045
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: bad though that, like Franklin Dodge just totally dodged any

1046
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: fucking he any consequences at all. Really. I mean, like,

1047
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that he got any of the money,

1048
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: but he sure lived well for a little while with Imogen,

1049
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: and he never got in trouble really for any of

1050
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: that stuff, And so did so many federal agents during

1051
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: Prohibition and politicians and just like, way more people got

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Speaker 1: away with it than got in trouble, you know. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was just like, of course the lady got in trouble,

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Speaker 1: and how is it. Everybody else is fine, but she

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Speaker 1: did do a funked up thing. So so I hope

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Speaker 1: you all enjoyed this episode. Hope you had a nice

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Speaker 1: cold drink in your hand for it. Raised a glass

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Speaker 1: to Karring for suggesting this again. Yes, this is such

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Speaker 1: a good one. Thanks Karen, Yes, thank you. Um and

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's if you want. If you got feedback,

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Speaker 1: if you've got any thoughts, or you have another suggestion

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Speaker 1: of your own, don't forget to hit us up at

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Speaker 1: romance at i heeart media dot com. We're also on

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Speaker 1: social media. Um, I'm at Dianamite Boom on Twitter and Instagram,

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Speaker 1: And you can find the show at ridic Romance for

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Speaker 1: fund memes and announcements and little games and messages. Will

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Speaker 1: take them there too. M hmm. Yeah, thanks as always

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We are obsessed with you guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so tune in for the next one. Pass it along

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Speaker 1: the show and to join the Ridiculous What are we?

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Speaker 1: What are we? The Ridiculous Romance Army, the Ridiculous Romantics. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Romantics. That sounds normal. The Ridiculous Romance Army sounds

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Speaker 1: very aggressive. Ridiculous Romance Army. We will crush all other

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Speaker 1: podcast asks. It's a weird combination word. All right, thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in, y'all. We will catch you on the

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Speaker 1: next one. Hi, so long friends, It is time to go.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to our show. Tell your friends neighbor's

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