1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Your tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goals Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: Our number two of the drive here on a Tuesday, 4 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: as we rock and we roll and we get ready 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: for week number one. Matt, really, I mean made it 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: seem like, wow, this is this is really it with 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 2: I mean just a little over forty eight hours from now. 8 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, we started ling cowboys like they're playing, Like. 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: Any minute they're playing, Like any minute they'll be backing 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: their bags as be at the team hotel tomorrow. 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah. 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: We that is great. That's awesome. Thursday night we'll have 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 2: some have some ball, which we're all looking forward to 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: and really really get that football feeling back. 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: And I don't like you, but I always feel for 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: the road team in that game because they're always good 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: and they of high expectations, like I think it was 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: the Ravens last year. I didn't feel too bad for them. 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: Yes, but still like going into a buzz saw, like 20 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,279 Speaker 2: the crowds so jacked up. 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: Right, it's like there go one loss right off the bat. 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Thanks appreciate it. We played the Super 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: Bowl champ in the worst environment. 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: Ever and there was like a few years ago, right 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: where it was the Lions against the Chiefs, and it 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: was right when everyone started to think that the Lions 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: would turn the corner right right, and and it was 28 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: like the Lions went out there and took the Chiefs 29 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: down to the wire. And that was maybe the rare 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: instance where the team that lost was like, okay, you 31 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: know what, like. 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 3: We like you went twelve round. 33 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: And I don't there's no such thing as moral victories 34 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: suddenly at that level. But I think if you were 35 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: a Lions fan, you were like, you know what, we 36 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: might be onto something like we might as good as 37 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: it gets. We might be we might be for real. 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean Philly, that crowd, that environment, uh, 39 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: that's that's gonna be a hostile one for the Cowboys, 40 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: especially without their best players, certainly their best defensive players. 41 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: You get back for the count, things could get ugly. 42 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: We'll sit. Hey. We talked about how with Dak with 43 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb, with George Pickens, they're going to throw the 44 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: ball around and be able to score some points. 45 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, I love their passing game. Still. I had 46 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: a lot of question about the run game to begin with. 47 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 3: And the defense. 48 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: Now is really worries they might have to do some 49 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: Cincinnati and Cincinnati Bengals things. And yeah, that's that's the 50 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: best point I think in all of this too. What's 51 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: a new coach? I mean, what's the vibe the show? Right, 52 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: what's the what's the temperature in the locker room? Now, 53 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: after all of that, with that substantial change, we. 54 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: Go thirty two to one around here. I saw you 55 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: pulling it up. I'm like, no, no, no, that's on 56 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: how we do it around here now. 57 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: See is and I think we've talked about this before. 58 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: Williamson your last name, Euler my last name. We're at 59 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: the back of the alphabet, so we often got stuck 60 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: at the end of lists. 61 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 3: Of why my mom was like I was a a brovis. 62 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to hear. 63 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: It taking close to pretty close. 64 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: I was in the same the last home room. 65 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: You're in the same neighborhood. Yeah, so I like it. 66 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: Let's let's start at the let's start the back of 67 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: the alphabet here and switch things up. Number. 68 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: I think there's two teams competing for thirty. 69 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: Two, Saints and Brown's Saints and Brown. Yeah, NFL dot Com, 70 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: that's where we're going to pull this from Saints at 71 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: thirty two, Spencer Rattler, the starting quarterback wolf I went 72 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: at the. 73 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: Browns though, and part of it's two different conversations. These 74 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 3: aren't for when I do power ranks, and I think, 75 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: then this is how we always refer to them. It's 76 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: not what your record is or what kind of year 77 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: you necessarily think they're going to have, or are they 78 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: going to be a playoff team or they get the 79 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: first overall pick. 80 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: That's what they are right now. Yeah, this set that's 81 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: the hardest part about the Yes. 82 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So when we talk about in week twelve, 83 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: it's like, well, they're only four and seven, but they 84 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 3: won four in a row and they're playing really well, 85 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: and I wouldn't want to play them right now, move 86 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: them up, blah blah blah. 87 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: Sure. And if the Eagles are three and three like 88 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: they were last year or whatever, it was like, you 89 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 2: better not have them number one on your power rank. 90 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I always joke like, if they 91 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: set up a series of one hundred and eleven games 92 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: in Wichita, Kansas between these two teams today, who wins? 93 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: You know? So I was gonna say that the Browns 94 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 3: would be thirty two for me, and they still probably well, 95 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 3: you know, but I think things are really set up 96 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: so poorly for the Browns. We talked about that. 97 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: First six games, that's a great point. 98 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: When you're zero and six, it's over, I mean, forget 99 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: about it. But the Saints have more quarterback problems than 100 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: the Browns at the moment. They're more concerns for opening 101 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 3: day today. We're not into Dylan Gabriel territory yet, which 102 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: I bet we'll get to. But I don't hate the Saints' 103 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: offense other than quarterback. I mean, they got a Love 104 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: and Shaheed and Kamara and they lie. Yeah, yeah, offensive 105 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: minded head coach. I don't know if the offense is 106 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: going to be the worst in the league. 107 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: Quarterback play could be towards the bottom. 108 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be certainly the one your least excited about. 109 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 3: Probably to win today. 110 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: Our upcoming dancing partner, Matt Williamson the New York j 111 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: e Ts at number thirty. They got some dudes, though, 112 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: I figured they thirty is pretty low. 113 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: It's pretty low. It's like as low as you could get. 114 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: I mean, everyone's gonna have those other two teams in 115 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: their own you know, neighborhood. I don't talk too much 116 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 3: about them because we will. Let's talk about these other teams. 117 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, some players, though they do. Twenty nine Carolina Panthers. 118 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: They're a tough one at this point. Yeah, a lot 119 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: of new look played nobody in the preseason. 120 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 3: Right. 121 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: If Bryce Young is what he was down the stretch 122 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: last year, they're not gonna have a winning record, but 123 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: I don't think they'll be a They won't be in 124 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: the basement of this list either. They'll be closer to 125 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: twenty than thirty. 126 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: I still have a lot of doubts about him, but 127 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: at least we finally saw some good stuff. The other 128 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: side of the ball is the thing, though, Like they 129 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: were historically bad on defense, and I'm sure they'll be better, 130 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 3: but they'll be bad. 131 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: There's only one way to go, and that's up, all right, 132 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 2: But how far up can you go? Twenty eight the 133 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts. 134 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: Oh, I think that's rough. It's a little low, right, 135 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: I mean, they always win. 136 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: We said they're the most average. Ye who's the best, 137 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: who's the worst? Who? 138 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 3: Quarterback? They're going to cite the quarterback thing heavily, which 139 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: I totally get. 140 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: They're far from the only team on this bottom of 141 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: this list with quarterback concern right exactly. 142 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: I mean they can run the ball though, and they 143 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: got playmakers. I mean they got a lot of receivers. 144 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think that's a little Lowah, that's a 145 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: little harsh. Twenty seven the Giants. 146 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 3: So I think we've talked about them a little. I 147 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: expect them to be noticeably better than a year ago. 148 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 3: And say one about Russ He's a better quarterback than 149 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: Jones and the veto from last year. And their best 150 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: offensive lineman missed the whole year. Their D line is nasty, 151 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: and their. 152 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: D line is one of the better fronts in the league. 153 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Dart look great. Maybe he finishes the season, 154 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 3: and they have a quarterback who knows. I mean, that's 155 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: not what we're talking about that we're talking about today. Their 156 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: schedules so brutal. Though I don't think it's gonna I 157 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: would maybe have them higher. I just don't think the 158 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: results will be good. 159 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: And I think the way you said it when we 160 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: did over and unders for the NFC East last week, 161 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: they could be noticeably improved and still only win four 162 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: or five games. That's just the schedule is rus there's 163 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: every game you look at, like, oh, no, Titans at 164 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:18,679 Speaker 2: twenty six. 165 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: I would have them lower than the Giants or Colts. 166 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: I think so too. Yeah, I think you and I 167 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: are probably higher on cam mored than most. 168 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited about it, but it's still weak one. 169 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: It's still week one, and it's gonna be a growing 170 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: pains and process. 171 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he'll throw ten picks that he really 172 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: regrets and then another seven or eight that anybody would have, 173 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: you know, and that's gonna be tough to overcome, you know. 174 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: And they have one. 175 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: Receiver twenty five. Here's one that I would probably have 176 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: a few spots higher. The Las Vegas Raiders. 177 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: Now, this is also a weird week for everything, but 178 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: it's a weird week for power ranks too, because it's 179 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: we're still in the final moments of optimism optimism season, 180 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: you know, like all these teams are. But they're gonna 181 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: be better. They're gonna better, they're gonna be healthier, they're 182 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: gonna first round picks. Is gonna be great until they're 183 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: not right. I mean, their defense still needs a lot 184 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: of work. I think they're trending the right direction as 185 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: an organization, though. 186 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: I would agree with that. 187 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 188 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're maybe the AFC version of the Giants. Yeah, 189 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be better. The division, though, is tough. 190 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: The schedule is tough. What does it really mean in 191 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: the grand scheme? 192 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: Both those teams would go oh and six in their 193 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: division and still picked to six or seven overall. 194 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: You know, they could be you know, one in nine 195 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: and one score games at the end of the year 196 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 2: where it's like you're getting there, but you're still you're 197 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: still not there. Miami the Dolphins number twenty four. Okay, 198 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: I guess it all just depends on how mulile, how 199 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: much they're volatile. 200 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 3: That's ryeah. 201 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: If two is healthy, I think they're closer to league average. 202 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: I mean, he is a winning record as a head 203 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: coach there, you know. I mean they their offense has 204 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: been potent. They seem really fragile right now with what's 205 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: Tyreek up to blah blah blah. Their cornerback situation is 206 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: really bad. 207 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: But there's some hell questions around as well. 208 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I guess that's fair. 209 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: Twenty three. This is one of the more intriguing teams 210 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: for me this year because I could see them making 211 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: a playoff push. I could see them picking in the 212 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: top ten. 213 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: The Jacksonville Jags, Yeah, I don't have a lot to 214 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: add to that. I think they are probably closer to 215 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: a playoff team than the first overall pick at this point. 216 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 3: But they are another organization you don't really trust that 217 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: they historically lose more than they win. 218 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: Twenty two The New England Patriots in the Mike Rabel era. 219 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: I think we get ahead of ourselves on them, but 220 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 3: I really think they're trending the right direction. But they're 221 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 3: still overcoming end of Belichick era where he just destroyed. 222 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: The four roster. 223 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, last year's coach was really bad. I mean they 224 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: still they're like step one of the rebuild to me, 225 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: and that's people talking about them when eight games I'm 226 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: not there. No, But the kind of the Colts ahead 227 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: of them, I completely agree. 228 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: I like Drake may love them. I think Mike Rabel 229 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: does brings you a significant floor wherever he goes. But yeah, 230 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: twenty two, Yeah, some of these guys, I mean, they're 231 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: not going to bottom out and win three. 232 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: Games, right, It's not going to be a mess. 233 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: But I think the Patriots are probably still a year 234 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: away from being a year away. 235 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right. 236 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: Twenty one the Dallas Cowboys, and this is factoring in 237 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: the trade of Mike Ah Parks. They've dropped it down. 238 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: They've dropped down a few spots. 239 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 240 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: I think that's about right. Like the offense is still 241 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: going to be good enough. You think you might have 242 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: them a little. 243 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: Bit lower, like two spots. I probably Miami ahead of them. 244 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: Like the Falcons are ahead of them. 245 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know. 246 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: Got to see it with Pennix. I at least I 247 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,239 Speaker 2: at least think like, like Dak is a professional quarterback, Dak's. 248 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: Going to raise all boats. Yes, where we don't know 249 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: that about Pennix. I mean he had a couple of 250 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: games that are exciting. They've invested in the defense, but 251 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: I don't think it's fixed. They already have a couple 252 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: of line issues. 253 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: They've got a running back, they've got a clear cut 254 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: wide receiver number one. Those are good things to have 255 00:10:58,640 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: for a young quarterback. 256 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: I think the score points but we're not out of 257 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: the woods on Panics yet. 258 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: No, certainly not. And I like them, but I think 259 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: there's still a lot of questions to be seen. There 260 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: number nineteen, The Seattle Seahawks. 261 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 3: I just think they're so strong on one side of 262 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: the ball, defense and the other side. We'll see. I mean, 263 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: Darnold did good things, but i'd rather Geno. 264 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would too. 265 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: They got rid of Metcalf. I'd rather him than Cooper Copt, 266 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: no doubt. But they're one of the five stay healthy. Yeah, 267 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: that's a big one. They're one of the five teams 268 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: including Pittsburgh, that I think could have the best D 269 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 3: in the league. 270 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so they're never Houston. 271 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're two of the ones i'd consider for sure. 272 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: Who else would you put? 273 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: Would you? I didn't know. 274 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: It was just five ish, Baltimore, Philly. 275 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 3: Maybe Philly was probably right there last year and looks 276 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: Yeah there's a good name. 277 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: So now here's an interesting one, Matt. This might be 278 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: the highest they are on this list all season. The 279 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: Chicago Bears at eighteen. 280 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: I get it, so kind of a leap of faith 281 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 3: on quarterback and coach. You know that neither one has 282 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: a track record that you're excited about, but you have optimism. 283 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: One's the first overall pick, and one was the coach 284 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: everyone on the plane had wanted. They do have good players. 285 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: They don't have massive holes all over the roster. Now 286 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: we're not predicting where they're going to finish, but they 287 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: could be zero to six in their division though. 288 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 2: And you know, okay, for to rehash your hypothetical. This 289 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: Sunday in Wichita, Kansas, the Bears play the Colts. Who 290 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 2: you taken? 291 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 3: I think it's close. Yeah, I mean I would take 292 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 3: the Bears, but kaylab Williams could take a ton of 293 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: sacks and you know, turnovers, and he could hurt you 294 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: as much as he helps you. 295 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 2: So there's ten spots in the power rankings between those 296 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: two teams should be that far. Maybe that's just more 297 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: of the Cults being a little lower than you and 298 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: I both think Arizona Cardinals at number seventeen and intriguing one. 299 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: I could see them, you know, making a playoff push. 300 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: I could see them picking in the top ten. 301 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 3: I do a podcast with Brian Peacock, who handles the 302 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: He covers the Niners, so we do our fair share 303 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: of Steeler and Niner talk in AFC North and NFC West, 304 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 3: and we're both in the same opinion. Those four teams 305 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: in that division, including Arizona, if you just shook them 306 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 3: up in a bag, and whatever way they landed, I 307 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: would believe you. 308 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: You know, maybe you give the Niners a little bit 309 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: more benefit of the doubt than the Aby three, But 310 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: in general, I think you're right. 311 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: If Stafford's back was I knew I could trust it 312 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: that they would be my one. But we just talked 313 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: about Seattle. Arizona's going in the right direction. But I 314 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, they should probably writ in about 315 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 3: the middle seventeen's cool. 316 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: They're also if you look though, like on the short 317 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: list of teams to have their coach fired first this season. 318 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: It's like a weird that's always a weird balance to me. 319 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: If I do think the consensus that they're moving in 320 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: the right direction, but if it doesn't look that way 321 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: the first two months of the year, watch out. 322 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: I don't know where Kyler is at this point too. 323 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: I mean, like, do I want to be married to him? 324 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 3: Maybe it's kind of a really important year for him. 325 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 2: Is he in that nine, ten, eleven, twelve quarterback range? 326 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: If he is great, yeah, But if he's not cool yeah. 327 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: I mean I don't think he's terrible. I know that, 328 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: but I don't think he's what you quite want. 329 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: Either Number sixteen Matt of this parish, the Pittsburg Stellars. 330 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: I'd have him higher. I'm not just saying that, but 331 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: there's we'll talk about teams. I'd have him ahead of 332 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah. 333 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: Well, let's do this. Then the Niners at fifteen. 334 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: I think I a problem with the Niners ahead of them. 335 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: That's a tough one. I mean, as it stands right now, 336 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: they have some injury stuff with like Ayuk and Jennings 337 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: and they're looking for guys. But they get McCaffrey back, 338 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: and they traditionally win games. Again. I know this because 339 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: I host a podcast with the Niners guy. But they're 340 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: gonna start five rookies on defense. 341 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 342 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I bet the defense takes a while. 343 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: Takes time to develop. 344 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 345 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: Fourteen the Los Angeles Chargers. 346 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: Out of the Steelers. 347 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: Over the Chargers, I think so too. 348 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,119 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a huge Herbert guys. 349 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: But especially with Rashaun Slater being at that's a big one. 350 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: The rest of the roster. To me, he's not as 351 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: good as Pitts first. Agree to the defense, Yeah, agreed. 352 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: Thirteen the Houston Texans. 353 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: I'm fine with them. Over there. 354 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's Listen, They I'm expecting, have won 355 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: playoff games each of the last two years and won 356 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: their division. And and I think we can all see C. J. 357 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: Stroud bouncing back and again one with the Steelers one 358 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: of the better defenses in the NFL. 359 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, even if the defenses are a wash, 360 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: Stroud carries a lot of weight in that conversation. And 361 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: Nico and yeah, right, they're a good team. 362 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: Number twelve, the Minnesota Vikings. 363 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: That sounds about right. Yeah, I mean they won fifteen games. 364 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: I think last year. 365 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: Let's let's see, they were a game away from having 366 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: the best record in the in the NFC in that 367 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: final game of the season with Detroit and being the 368 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: number one seed. 369 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: And one of the biggest weaknesses was into your line. 370 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: They have two new guards in a new center. I mean, like, 371 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: I know, e've a new quarterback and we'll see. 372 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: But and Jordan Madison's out you know for this exercise. True, true, 373 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: But I'm with you. I think if JJ McCarthy can 374 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: play at a B level, they're going to be very 375 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: dangerous again. 376 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: And Darnold was really good, but he also wasn't irreplaceable. 377 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: Correct correct, They're well coached. They got a good ross. 378 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: No way, I think like that. I think that this 379 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: is a good spot for them. 380 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: Number A weird thing about them that Harrison Smith, who 381 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: they drafted like fourteen years ago, is their only starter 382 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: on defense that they've drafted. They're drafting remarkably bad, I 383 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: mean the. 384 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: Last yet they're still winning fourteen. 385 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: Games, So I think it's coaching. You look at their 386 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: players and their draft history lately, it's like there's a 387 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: lot of misses. 388 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting. Number eleven the la Rams speaking of Matt 389 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: Stafford in his back. 390 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: Well, if he's playing this week, which I all we can. 391 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: Do for this is all we can do is assume hell, yeah, yeah. 392 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 3: I mean he's in there, so they gotta be in there. 393 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: And I probably have them higher. 394 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: Heck, they gave the Eagles the best run of anybody 395 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: in the past season last year. Number ten. Now into 396 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: the top ten the Cincinnati Bengals at number That's where I. 397 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: Have a problem. I would have the Steelers had the Bengals. 398 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: If this was on Bengals Nation Radio, I was still 399 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: say that. And Burrow carries so much weight, don't get 400 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 3: me wrong, outstanding and the passing game might be the 401 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 3: best in the league, and that's the best thing to 402 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 3: have in in this entire league. But I don't think 403 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 3: the coaching is a plus. And I think the defense 404 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: is going to be bottom five again. Yeah, you know. 405 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: That's where I'm at. Like they said they moved up 406 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: Cincinnati a few spots because the Trey Hendrickson deal. Like, Okay, okay, 407 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 2: they had Treandrickson last year, like the league in sacks 408 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: last year. They still lost three games where they scored 409 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: thirty five or more points. 410 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people were too excited about the Bengals. 411 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: Listen. I think the offense is going to be great again. 412 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, and their first round pick. Suremer Stewart missed 413 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: a lot of the offseason with contracts disputes and stuff 414 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: like that. 415 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 3: I just they need three young defenders to take a 416 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 3: big step. Then we could change our tun Like. 417 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: I'm not convinced that the Bengals are going to be terrible, No, 418 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 2: but I'm not convinced that they belong in the top 419 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: ten power rankings either, just because of how good I 420 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: think the offense is gonna. 421 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 3: I did playoff predictions recently, and I had them missing 422 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: the playoffs. I mean, no of them is one of 423 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: the seven teams. 424 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: You know, Number nine in the playoffs last year year, 425 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: number two of Bo Knicks, the Denver Broncos. I'm a 426 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 2: big believer same here, as much as I don't like 427 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: to say it because I'm not. I think he's a 428 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: great coach. But I'm not a fan of Sean Payton. 429 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 2: But man, he's a great coach. And the defense is nasty, 430 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: and I think they've got enough on offense with bow 431 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 2: Knicks and Sean Payton too to be danger. I mean 432 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 2: they they could maybe be the team that finally knocks 433 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: Kansas City off of that ma AFC West thrown. 434 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 3: I don't think that's crazy. 435 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: I don't either. I'm not saying I'm betting on that, 436 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: but I think it's a realistic possibility. Number eight as 437 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: good as they've been feeling in our nation's capital for 438 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: a long time, Matthew, the Washington Commanders. 439 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 3: They would be lower for me too. And again it's 440 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: it's sort of a Bengals conversation. I love the offense, 441 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: quarterbacks super enticing, really old. 442 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: They are so old other than the. 443 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: Quarterback, and the defense to me, has no juice up front. 444 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: I mean shootout type games at least they had The 445 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: Bengals have Hendrickson, you know, the in games where everyone's 446 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 3: we throw and left and right. I don't know where 447 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: the pass rush comes from. I'm not there on the 448 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: on the Commanders. I had them missed the playoffs this 449 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: year too. 450 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, interesting, we'll do that later in the week. 451 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: We'll do playoff picks and division winners and all that stuff. 452 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: Number seven, the Bay Buccaneers one of the more dangerous 453 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: offenses in the league. They're another team that's been you know, 454 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: they've been to the playoffs. They've been to the playoffs 455 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: five straight years. 456 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something to be said for that. It's not 457 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 3: the hardest divisional league. 458 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I might have them closer to nine or ten, 459 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: But I don't hate them being in the top ten. 460 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 3: Not one bit. No, I think they're a really, really 461 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: solid organization. 462 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: I agree. I think they are probably one of the 463 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 2: most underrated. I mean again, they've been to the playoffs 464 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: now five straight seasons, and three of those have been 465 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: post Tom Brady, yeah, you know, and Bruce Ayra and 466 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: kind of into a new era here and still continuing 467 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: to win double digit games, and the Vision have figured 468 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: out they do. They do. Number six, moving up the 469 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: list with the addition of perhaps the best defensive player 470 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: in the National Football League. It's the Green Bay Packers. 471 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: We talked about it earlier, but I would go a 472 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: little higher. I have high expectations. But that's a little 473 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 3: different than what do you think of the team today, 474 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: you know, I mean there's a lot of youth the receivers. 475 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 3: Love is still. I'm a believer, but you can't just 476 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: count on them like Mahomes. You know what you're getting. Yeah, sure, 477 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 3: I mean these teams ahead of them are gonna have 478 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 3: major quarterback studs, so I'm okay with it. I think 479 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: they'll be moving up though. 480 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: Yes, I think so too, especially if Michael Parsons is 481 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: healthy and starts doing Michael Parsons things. Number five staying 482 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: in the NFC. The Detroit Lions. Interesting year for. 483 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 3: Them, super interesting again, a lot of change, but some 484 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 3: of this when you just talked power ranks, you have 485 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 3: to be respecting from last year to some degree. You know, 486 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 3: what do we see the last and their defense is 487 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: way healthier. 488 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: I was gonna say as much as as much as 489 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 2: we do talk, they've had some attrition on that offensive line. 490 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 2: They lost both of their coordinators. 491 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: It's worrisome. 492 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: They do get Aiden Hutchinson back, though, it's a pretty 493 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: big boost the guy who very well could have been 494 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: the defensive Player of the Year last year if he 495 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: would have stayed healthy. 496 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 3: Ridiculous pace. 497 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that they're another one of those. I think 498 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: they're going to be good and go back to the 499 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 2: playoffs no matter what. But will they be a Super 500 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: Bowl contender? Still still to see Number four the big 501 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: bully on the block for the most part. In the 502 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 2: last handful of years in the National Football League, the 503 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: Kansas City. 504 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: Chiefs Okay, defense is always. 505 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: They They had them at third, but bump them down 506 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: one spot after Rashi Rice's six game suspension. 507 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, if you're playing the game today, 508 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 3: I think they're most trusted in and best chain mover 509 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 3: type guy. 510 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 2: In those first six games. They've got the Chargers, They've 511 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: got the Eagles, they got the Ravens, they got the loss. 512 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's tough. Yeah, Yeah, that's fine. 513 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: But the defense one of the better National Mahomes and Andy 514 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: Reid worth their weight in gold. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm 515 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: alright with number four. 516 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can go much lower though. 517 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: Number three. Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills. 518 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: Five straight division titles and you gotta think in line 519 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: to win their sixth. 520 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're the easiest pick of any to 521 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: who's going to win the division. Allen's that's utter superstar. 522 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 3: He's superstar. It's a joy to watch him in his prime, 523 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: which is where he's at now. He's cut down the 524 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 3: mistakes drastically. He doesn't take sacks anymore. I mean, it's crazy. 525 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: I don't think their roster is awesome though. 526 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: No, it's not. 527 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 3: Yeah right. 528 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: In fact, I think of all the teams in the 529 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: top six seven eights year, it might be the worst. 530 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, quarterback side, but. 531 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: Quarterback a side, and man, Josh Allen. Is their track 532 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: record strong, just just absolutely dynamite. Yes, certainly strong track record. 533 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: Not the best division I think Buffalo is. 534 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 3: They're good. 535 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 2: Yes, they're gonna find themselves in the top five ish 536 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: for for pretty much the entirety of the season. I 537 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: would imagine number two the Baltimore Ravens. 538 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 3: I would have them first, guys, I'm sorry, would you? 539 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I know Eagles must be one obviously one 540 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: they're the super Bowl champs. They're great. Maybe the Ravens 541 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 3: wouldn't beat them if they were got the Super Bowl 542 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 3: last year. I don't know. I just think the Ravens 543 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: got noticeably better, you know, like you're adding Jari Alexander 544 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: and I mean like the draft was good for them. 545 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: They're hard to find. Yeah, I mean they were good already. 546 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 3: I forget about Here's here's why I said. Some thing 547 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: I said about them is they might be the only 548 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: team that if you told me they're the best offense 549 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 3: in the league when the season ends, I could believe it. 550 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 3: Or they're the best defense in the league and I 551 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: could believe it. 552 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: It's a very Just as much as I like again 553 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: as much as my black and Gold soul like hates it, 554 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: I think that's a very fair thing to say. And 555 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: probably if you're picking the Ravens to win the Super Bowl, 556 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 2: that's a legit, good faith argument you can make. You're 557 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 2: not being hyperbolic and saying that. 558 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: So, sitting your scan in my head, what defenses do 559 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: we name along with the Steelers that could be the 560 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 3: best in the Denver, Houston, Baltimore? 561 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: Would you put Green Bay in that conversation. 562 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe now Philly still has to be in that conversation. 563 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: Philly is the only one with the Ravens that maybe 564 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: could have the best offense in the league. Two you know, sure, 565 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: So we're flitting hairs here there. 566 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you could say that about the Chiefs. 567 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: I think you'd be reaching a little bit. 568 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too, And I don't know if 569 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 3: they have the best defense in the league. Eagles lost 570 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: more in the Ravens so too. 571 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: They did. They did, And that's what happens when you 572 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 2: win Super Bowls, right, I mean, you lose a lot. 573 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: And the Eagles are number one on this list, and man, 574 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: they they certainly certainly lost some key players. One of 575 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: them is now here in Pittsburgh. Roman the secondary Yeah yeah, yeah, 576 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: was that Milton right? Who did he go to New England? 577 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 3: Milton Williams. 578 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he went to New England. Huge money and a 579 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: nice piece for Vateable to start to rebuild that defense around. 580 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 3: And starting guard backed in And they lost. 581 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 2: That's true, they did, they did. Yeah, But I I 582 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 2: think with the core of that team, they've got a 583 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 2: you know, good they're gonna be very good. They are 584 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: still a Super Bowl favorite. 585 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: A class organization that understands this league really really, yes, 586 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: the modern day NFL. 587 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: And I think they gotta be kind of as you mentioned, 588 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: I think the Commanders are still going to be a threat. 589 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: They're still gonna be good, but they feel poised to 590 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: take it. Like you and I talked about last week, 591 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: they took five steps forward last year. Maybe they take 592 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 2: two steps back this year. Right, So that's that's still 593 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: be a winning record like all that stuff. 594 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: But way better than used to be under Daniel Sneider. 595 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: Exactly right, But but maybe not the threat that a 596 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: lot of people are just assuming they're going to be. 597 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 2: The Cowboys clearly took a step back in the last week. 598 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 2: I don't care what you say. There's no other way 599 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 2: to shake that. The Giants, as you and I think, 600 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: both are going to be better, but they're certainly they're 601 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: not even I don't think anyone's thinking they're going to 602 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: go close to five hundred. 603 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 3: Uh man. 604 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: The Eagles, they think they're in a great spot once again. 605 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 3: Absolutely. You know we mentioned I think the Bills are 606 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: the easiest team to pick to win their division. You 607 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 3: made a pretty strong case. So the Eagles nipping at 608 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: their heels or an easy second. 609 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 2: That's a good I mean, and a couple of weeks ago, 610 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: we would not have said that. 611 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 3: I don't think no, no, no, it looks better now. 612 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, So there you go, Eagles at the top, 613 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: the defending Super Bowl champions, and the hated Baltimore Ravens 614 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: right on there they are. 615 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 616 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: I hate saying it, but it's the truth. 617 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: I talked bad about the Bengals, I didn't talk bad 618 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: about the Ravens. 619 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: And that's why we love you, Matt. That's the that's 620 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: the honesty that the loyal Drive listeners have come to 621 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: expect here over the years. That was a very long segment. 622 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 2: We got to get to a break two to go 623 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: as we roll along here playing to get two on 624 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: this Tuesday, West Ruler and Matt Williamson, It's the Drive 625 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. 626 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven 627 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 628 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: Matt continuing our kind of one of our I guess 629 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: leading up to the season daily benchmarks we've had here 630 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: on the show, maybe going through overs, overs and unders 631 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 2: for the different divisions across the NFL. Wind totals, yeah 632 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: or sorry, yes, over under wind totals. 633 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 3: Yes, division by division, we can go. 634 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: Division by division, And with a lot of the Packers conversation, 635 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: I thought maybe it would be fun. And we still 636 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 2: haven't done the NFC North today, and let's start with 637 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: green Bay because both green Bay and Detroit now at 638 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 2: ten and a half. 639 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Detroit still like as anybody. 640 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: Which is I think eleven and a half is the highest, 641 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: right like Eagles, Chiefs, Bills. Yes, they're at eleven there 642 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: at eleven and a half in the Eagles, I think 643 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: in the Eagles three or four teams, but then ten 644 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 2: and a half the next best. And the Packers moved 645 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: from nine and a half to ten and a half 646 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: with the with the Parsons acquisition. They though, are still 647 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 2: just slight in terms of the betting odds, the Lions 648 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 2: very slight favorites over the Packers to win the division. 649 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: So you make a little bit more you would. 650 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: Make a little if you pick the Packers. If you 651 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: put twenty bucks on the Packers to win the division, 652 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 2: you'll get a few bucks more than you would the Lions. 653 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: But it's close. 654 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so totally understand. 655 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: Totally, absolutely So let's start with the reigning division champions, 656 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: the team that had the number one seed in the 657 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: NFC last year, the Detroit Lions over under ten and 658 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: a half. 659 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: Tough division. I think this is the toughest division. Yeah, 660 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's going six and zero, agreed. I 661 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 3: think if you're four and two, you're probably pretty happy 662 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: if you're the Hackers, Vikings or Lions. Absolutely, and I 663 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 3: think Detroit probably gets to that point. I'm a Dan 664 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: Campbell fan, but I think we're gonna learn a lot 665 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 3: about him. Like people put him like as a top 666 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 3: five coach, and I kind of look at it like, well, 667 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: what hardships have you had to deal with so far? 668 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: You know, like, man, that's a good point. 669 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 3: You took junk and you made them good. You made 670 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: him good. You made him good. Now there's expectations and 671 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 3: people are taking your coordinators and you know, you have 672 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: to pay players more and picking late in the draft. 673 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: You don't have early draft picks to add every year? Now, 674 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: are you still good? And I just don't know. I'm 675 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 3: not saying he is or not. I think I'm leaning 676 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 3: towards the under here. 677 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: I think I am too. 678 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough schedule. 679 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: I see them. I see them going ten and seven, 680 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: I think, more than eleven or twelve wins. 681 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: And being dangerous in the postseason, no doubt, Like. 682 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: No one would want that. No one want each right 683 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: roll into town week week, you know, wild card weekend. 684 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely they still could win it all and all 685 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 3: that good stuff. But he I just have some concerns, 686 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: and I think the division's brutal, the schedule's tough. I'm 687 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: gonna lean under, but it's a good line. 688 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: I'm gonna lean under as well too. But I do 689 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: think that's a perfect one. Packers at ten and a half, 690 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: I think I know where you're going here, John going over. 691 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna pick them to win the division. So I 692 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: think one of these teams at least ends up with 693 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 3: eleven or more wins. 694 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: I they have, I mean they almost have to. It's tough. 695 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: As as tough as the division is. He almost, I 696 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 2: mean somebody has to. You know, someone's gonna get hot, 697 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: and someone's gonna go five and one in the division 698 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: and you know, end up end up winning eleven or 699 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: twelve games. I think I'd put that chip now on 700 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: the Packers more than I would the Lions. 701 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 3: And I'm al floor fan. I think it's a really 702 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: stable organization. Like even when Love got hurt last year, 703 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: they put in Willis and ran the ball like every play. 704 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: But they think they won two out of three games. 705 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 3: You know, they figured out a way when things went bad. 706 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: Now you add an elite player. I don't think they 707 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: sweep a division or anything, but they probably have a 708 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: winning record in the division. That would go a long way, 709 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: you know. 710 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: I think Jordan Love was just dealing with injuries all 711 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 2: of last year too, and if he's even remotely healthier, 712 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: if that'll mean a lot for green Bay. Interesting one. 713 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: Minnesota and Chicago both at eight and a half wins, 714 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: so okay, a pretty big uptick for Chicago, a significant 715 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: you know, down tick, I. 716 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 3: Don't for them the same. I don't either, right, I mean, 717 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: I would the difference wins last year. 718 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: I would easily go over from Minnesota too, and I 719 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: think I might easily go under for chicag I don't 720 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: see Chicago win in nine games a winning record. 721 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 3: No, They're almost like the Patriot conversation we keep having. 722 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 3: It's like people are getting a little too excited about 723 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 3: these teams going from five wins to twelve, you know, 724 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 3: like that doesn't happen very often, no, you. 725 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: Know, And that's why there was much to do about 726 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: the Commanders doing it last year, because it's weird. It's 727 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: it's you can go from four or five wins to 728 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: nine or ten, that's great, but not from four or 729 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: five wins to you know, pushing for a division title 730 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: that so infrequently. 731 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 3: Happens, especially in this division. I kind of alluded to 732 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 3: it a minute ago. I don't think the Bears will 733 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 3: have a winning record in this division and could have 734 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 3: zero wins in the division. They could go zher and six. 735 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: They absolutely could. 736 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I like their roster, but it's a lot 737 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: of new pieces. They don't have exactly this great winning 738 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 3: tradition of late either. Minnesota, on the other hand, I 739 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: think they're noticeably better than they were last year. I'm 740 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 3: not saying they're gonna win sixteen games this year, with 741 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 3: the exception of maybe quarterback, and that's a maybe. It's 742 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 3: not like, well, they're definitely worth a quarterback. Yeah, so 743 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 3: they'll be in it. 744 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: They were fourteen and three last year, I think. 745 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 3: Or fifteen to two, fourteen or fifteen wins. 746 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: I have a hard time envisioning them going from that 747 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: to eight, right. I think they could go to nine 748 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: or ten, certainly, but eight significant drop. 749 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 3: That's the thing. That number seems really low low better 750 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 3: on both lines of scrimmage. They spend a lot of 751 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 3: money on big people. 752 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: Everybody, get on, get on that number before it rises. 753 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one's one of my favorites. And 754 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 3: the Bears might be one of my favorites too, I'm. 755 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 2: Under I think so. I like those I like those 756 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: NFC North futures. I certainly do. 757 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: I probably would stay away from Lions and Packers at 758 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 3: those prices. You know, I could make a case for 759 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: either one of them be eleven twelve, you know where 760 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: those other ones. 761 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: Where Bears and Bikings. I mean, those are two of 762 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: my favorites that I think we've discussed me throughout this 763 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: this whole process. I'm gonna have to pull up when 764 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: we go to break here, I'm gonna have to. 765 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: Pull up my AMP and get check out the odds, 766 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 3: put my. 767 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: Money where my math is. You don't do much of 768 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: that at all, do you? 769 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 3: Like? 770 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: You're mostly fantasy football, you don't do much of the 771 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: other type of gambling or. 772 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 3: Do I haven't yet, but I often do three or 773 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 3: four of these wind totals. I like the best, and 774 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 3: I've never lost. It doesn't mean I don't hit every bet, 775 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: but I mean I make more than I've lost on 776 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 3: those every year. I have some listeners that have actually, 777 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 3: when we go through all thirty two have charted him 778 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 3: and I almost always have a winning record, right, Yeah, 779 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 3: and every week I'll put a couple there's a game 780 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 3: or two. Yeah, I didn't know that about you. 781 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe just because you don't wear it on 782 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 2: your sleeve, like our buddy Mike Pursuda, who we'll. 783 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 3: Pick games on Fridays. 784 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure the first thing Pursuita says when he sees you. 785 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, I don't bet likes the Cleveland Guardians. 786 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 3: I didn't make any preseason bets. Like everybody we. 787 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: Walk into Sharkis for preseason games, and pursuit is like 788 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: the Chargers money, but. 789 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 3: Some of his logic smart. Yeah right, he's like, but 790 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 3: I love the guy. Yeah, there's I guess there's mighty 791 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 3: to be made in the preseason. I didn't give them 792 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: much thought. 793 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: There's always money to be made, but there's also with 794 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: that money to be lost, Matt. I've got a couple 795 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 2: of Steelers I want to we'll kind of bob and 796 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 2: weave with some of these throughout the week's bringing Steelers 797 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 2: specific over unders, not not team win numbers, but player 798 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 2: individual player props that I want to have some fun 799 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 2: and run by it to end the show. We'll do that. 800 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 2: On the other side, it is the Drive here rolling 801 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 2: into September. West Shuler and Matt Williamson on Steelers Nation 802 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. 803 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven 804 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:39,720 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 805 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 2: Down the home stretch here on a Tuesday. As Man 806 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,959 Speaker 2: Matt it, it is exciting. We are just about forty 807 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 2: eight hours away from the ball going in the air. 808 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: As you mentioned, a lot of fun college football action 809 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 2: over the last few days. It's all happening. It's fall. 810 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 2: It feels like fall outside too. The mornings now, especially 811 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 2: nice and crisp out there. Did you go to WU 812 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 2: I sure did on Saturday. Had had a lovely time 813 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 2: and nice comfortable win over Robert Morris. But that first 814 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 2: game of the year is kind of always the you know, no, 815 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 2: we don't have any Steelers responsibilities on Sunday, and it's 816 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 2: you know, you're easy to get to. You're always playing 817 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 2: towsand or Robert Morris or somebody. So I don't mind 818 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 2: taking my daughters, you know, my three, Yeah, my three 819 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 2: year old and my two year old. And so we 820 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 2: had a we had a We had a really nice time. 821 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: And it was seventy four degrees, you know, couldn't couldn't 822 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 2: beat the weather. So yeah, a lot of fun and 823 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 2: certainly excited to get the NFL role in this weekend 824 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 2: before the Steelers take the field at MetLife Stadium Sunday 825 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 2: at one o'clock. Of course, Matt, I've got some different 826 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 2: I've been compiling these for the last week or two 827 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 2: Steelers player props if you were, for the season, So 828 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 2: individual players and what they might do over the course 829 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 2: of these seventeen games. Let's start with this one. I 830 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 2: know you've been answering a lot of questions and talking 831 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 2: a lot about fantasy football value for John new Smith 832 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: and Pat Fryarmouth. Now that they're on the same team, 833 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 2: will John u Smith and Pat Fryarmuth combine for ten 834 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 2: or more touchdowns in the regular season combined? Ten plus? 835 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 2: So it has to be at least ten or more 836 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 2: in the regular season combined touchdown passes. 837 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 3: Wow, I'm going to lean towards no. And part of 838 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 3: it is I think DK is going to get a 839 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 3: lot of end zone action. If you said the tight 840 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 3: end room get there, I would have said Darnelle. 841 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 2: Might chip in with two or three, which wouldn't surprise. 842 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's the big kicker to me. Yeah, 843 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 3: I think he's gonna get thrown the ball in the 844 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 3: end zone now. Friar Mouth I think was their second 845 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 3: highest targeted in the end zone player behind Pickens last year. 846 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 3: And I hope this changes. But how about this craziness? 847 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 2: Uh oh? 848 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 3: Since twenty twenty two, that's fifty one regular season games 849 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 3: for the Steelers, they have just forty six touchdown throws 850 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 3: in fifty one fifty one games. Cool, that's the lowest 851 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: the NFL. 852 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 2: That's like, that's like Iowa football by defense far. 853 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 3: I mean, under one a game is pretty crazy. 854 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 2: That is pretty crazy. 855 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 3: But in Rodgers' last fifty one games, he's thrown ninety one. 856 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: That would be a little bit different. So double. 857 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 3: But I did say the same thing, well not to 858 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 3: that extreme, but we said the same thing last year. 859 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 3: I had a running joke about Russell Wilson's like, maybe 860 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 3: they'll even throw touchdown passes this year, but they still 861 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 3: haven't thrown a lot of for a while, you know, 862 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 3: so unders on TV receptions are probably going to be 863 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 3: until yes, until further notice. 864 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 2: All right, well let's go here. Then as you transition 865 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 2: and lead me there Aaron Rodgers over under twenty seven 866 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 2: and a half touchdown passes thrown. 867 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 3: I was saying the number be like twenty five. Now 868 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 3: I think you got I've mentioned this in many airwaves. 869 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 3: You talk about betting, like if you took every prop 870 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 3: that's available in Vegas and bet all the unders, but 871 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 3: one dollar on every under, you would make money. 872 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 2: Everyone in terms of player props. 873 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 3: Preseason or you know, season long player props, because everyone 874 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 3: that gets hurt you win, and then you probably go 875 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 3: fifty to fifty on the other That's a good point, 876 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 3: you know. So I'm gonna go without saying obviously, if 877 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 3: he gets hurt. 878 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 2: You're going to in these type of hypothetical conversation. 879 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 3: One player, you know, right, and it's not like he's 880 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 3: coming in with a pre existing injury, and folks, I 881 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 3: know he's up in age, but he did play seventeen 882 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 3: games last year coming off a major injury, so I 883 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 3: about more worried about his durability than I am most quarterbacks, 884 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 3: to be very and he protects himself very, very well. 885 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 3: It's a good number, though. We also mentioned who is 886 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 3: their goal line back, So on fourth and one, might 887 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 3: they throw more than they would have in the past 888 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 3: when they just handed then? Know what I mean? 889 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 2: Great point, I might go over on that. 890 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 3: It's pretty bad. I thought number be like twenty five though, 891 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 3: so I'm so. 892 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 2: If you can get if you can get it any lower, 893 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 2: if you get that number any lower than twenty seven 894 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 2: and a half, you're definitely going over. 895 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, where are you at on it? 896 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 2: I think I'll go over because I think they're gonna 897 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 2: have to. Like I think it's going to take some 898 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 2: time for the run game. It's gonna take some time 899 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 2: for him and DK and all the wide receivers and 900 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 2: the titles too. But I think you'll give Aaron Rodgers 901 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 2: a little bit more benefit of the doubt than some 902 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,439 Speaker 2: of the unknown with the run game. I think they're 903 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 2: slightly slightly over twenty eight or twenty nine. I don't 904 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 2: know if he hits thirty, but I think he can 905 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 2: hit twenty eight or twenty nine. 906 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 3: I think that's fair. Now, he's still a really good 907 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 3: deep passer, and you know that they're going to throw 908 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 3: deep ball, so I think that they'll have touchdowns from 909 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 3: distance too. They'll probably have two or three forty plus 910 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 3: yard touchdowns, especially with Metcalf. And though totally you know, 911 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 3: and I also think they can score short passing touchdowns 912 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,720 Speaker 3: because they got a lot of size. 913 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 2: Yes, completely agree. Uh, let's kind of stick with that. 914 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 2: A couple of DK ones for you here. DK Metcalf 915 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,320 Speaker 2: over under one thousand receiving yards in the regular season. 916 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,760 Speaker 3: He's been over nine hundred every year of his career, 917 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 3: and he missed significant time last year. I think it 918 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 3: was three games. I'm over on a thousand. 919 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 2: I think I'm over on this too. 920 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially because his average target's gonna be high, and 921 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 3: that's like I don't know if his receptions will be 922 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 3: If I'd take the over. 923 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 2: That's like an eve that's like an kind of even 924 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 2: two for one type bet on on apps right now, Okay, 925 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 2: you know, like you're not you're not losing if you 926 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 2: put ten if you put ten bucks on him to 927 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 2: do it, you double your money. So like those odds 928 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 2: are right at about equal. Yeah, I think that's a 929 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 2: good over to take. 930 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 3: I think that's a good over to take because he'll 931 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 3: I think he'll have three or four really long completions 932 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 3: which will help. It was a long way for the yardage. 933 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 2: Yes, completely agree. Uh dk metcalf over under eight and 934 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 2: a half receiving touchdowns this season. 935 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go under, right. Yeah, there's a lot of 936 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 3: mouse to feeds back to the tight tight end conversation. 937 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 3: It could be a lot. But and we did see 938 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 3: them run a lot of like quick slants in uh 939 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 3: seven shots things like that too. I mean I think 940 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 3: that it's part of the plan. But that's not an 941 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 3: easy just slam dunk to me. 942 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 2: All right, we got about two minutes left here defensive side, 943 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 2: real quick for you. Jalen Ramsey over under three defensive 944 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 2: interceptions in the regular season. One of those I wish 945 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 2: was like two and a half. Yeah, three and a half. 946 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 3: Say three, I would take three right now as opposed 947 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 3: to go fish, you know what I mean? 948 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 2: I think that's the if it's a roulette table, that's 949 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,720 Speaker 2: the number I'm putting my You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 950 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 2: my ever. 951 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 3: Leave the field, which is big in this equation. 952 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 2: Last one, Jalen Ramsey and Darius Slay combined over under 953 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 2: five interceptions in the regular season. 954 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 3: I'm still under. I mean, teams target the middle of 955 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 3: the field against the Steelers more than nineteen the league 956 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 3: go last three years. That doesn't mean that they don't 957 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 3: throw outside, but it's harder with the pass rush. It's 958 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 3: just one of those get the ball out. And I 959 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 3: don't think that they're gonna be like, we can't throw 960 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 3: at Ramsey, we can't throw its leg because Porter's out 961 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 3: there too, Like you're gonna have to throw it someone. 962 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 3: So they're gonna get targets. It's certainly possible. But interception 963 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 3: numbers I'm almost always gonna go under. You know, you 964 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 3: need a little bit of luck too, and you know. 965 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely, and hey, they were second most turnovers forced 966 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 2: in the league last year. But yeah, that's those are 967 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 2: still some. 968 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 3: They're not always sticky numbers either, right, you know, right. 969 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 3: I like their chance to be in the top half 970 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 3: of the league. I don't know if they'll be in 971 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 3: the top five again. 972 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 2: You know, hey, if they are and they get that 973 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 2: sack number, up. I think they'll be in a great position. 974 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 2: Matt fun show today, good stuff. We'll dive deep more 975 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 2: into the Jets tomorrow and then continue some of these 976 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 2: over unders and all kinds and all different kinds of 977 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 2: conversation as we roll along and get ready for Week 978 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 2: one in the NFL. But that will do it for today. 979 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 2: Thanks to Matt for his expertise asladays, I'll be back 980 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 2: with you tomorrow and the rest of the week, every 981 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 2: single day leading up through Friday to get ready for 982 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 2: the weekend. For Matt Williams and I'm Westheuler. As always, 983 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 2: you know where to find us. 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