1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Please note that in this episode we'll be talking about 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: sexual abuse and violence, which could be triggering for some listeners. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Please listen at your own discretion. Early on the morning 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: of September seventh, two thousand and six, and Aboula set 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: off for the Kasa, like she had done every day 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: for weeks. We heard her story in episode one. She 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: had been staying in a woman run in near the 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Gasa so she could go there to help heal her 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: father's cancer. This morning, she sat down to meditate in 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: front of her father's photo as usual. 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember wearing flip flops and taking the picture 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: of my father, attaching it to the back of the 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: chair in front of me. Fay, I close my eyes, 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: started meditating, took off my flip flops because I was 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: always barefoot there the floor. People said that the energy 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: on the floor was a very good energy, and I 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: just kind of went with the floor. People said, don't 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: wear underwear because they can cut off energy, so I 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: would wear a skirt down to my feet. I would 20 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: wear pants, but sometimes many times I wouldn't wear underwear. 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: The official recommendation was not to wear any tight clothing, 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: especially around your waist, which many people interpreted to include underwear. 23 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: If I walked into a place of worship and heard 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: this was a requirement, I'd say no, thanks. But we 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: have to take many steps back to understand why it 26 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: didn't register as weird for the followers at the GASA 27 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: or for Anna Paula. Remember that at the core of 28 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: spiritism is the power of your energy. It's your connection 29 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: to God and all of your past lives, and it 30 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: can determine your health and well being. Think of it 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: as your soul, and through prayer and meditation you can 32 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: help clear any bad energy that might be making you 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: sick or even your family sick. So if that was 34 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: core to your spiritual beliefs, you might do anything you 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: could to make it easier for healers to access your energy. 36 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: Even when they say it helps not to wear underwear. 37 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: Then maybe you think about what it took to get 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: to this spiritual hospital. Or you're surrounded by kind and 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: reasonable people just like you, lawyers, doctors, teachers, who all 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: seemed to be following these rules without question. So if 41 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: everyone around you is going along, why wouldn't you. Anabauda 42 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: was not going to do anything that could put her 43 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: father's healing at risk, so she followed most recommendations to 44 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: the letter. She always wore white to make her or 45 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: a lighter and easier to read. She avoided crossing her 46 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: legs or her arms while she was at the casa. 47 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: She didn't wear any metal like jewelry or a watch, 48 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: and she held a crystal while she meditated. 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: So I was there barefoot, with my feet on the ground, 50 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: with all that energy, the energy of the place, with 51 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: my eyes closed. 52 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: He was in Tomma my brook. 53 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: And I felt a hand on my shoulder. When I 54 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: opened my eyes, it was John of God. 55 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: He signaled for her to go with him, so she 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: stood up and followed him to his office. 57 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 3: It was a salidated. 58 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: I've been to his office several times, never alone. He 59 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: would even close the door, But this time I went alone, 60 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: and as soon as I got in, he not only 61 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: closed it, but he locked. 62 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: It with the key Na molm. 63 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: At that moment, I felt bad, and he said he 64 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: was going to do healing work for my father. He 65 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: asked me to turn with my back facing him. I 66 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: turned around. I closed my eyes, but I wasn't feeling well. 67 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: There then stops by Ali. 68 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: Now before Anna Paula said any of this, I told 69 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: her she would get to decide how much she wanted 70 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: to say about what happened. 71 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: Next, just to gain de lo case elauso gori there. 72 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: You can hear me tell her in Spanish that we 73 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: really didn't want her to relive anything. She didn't want to, 74 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: but I said, I also want to provide a space 75 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: for you to share whatever you feel comfortable saying. I 76 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: thought Annaboula would take a moment to think it over, 77 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: but she didn't hesitate. Immediately she answered it. 78 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: I say that I was a victim of John of God, 79 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: I'm not anymore, and that's true. Other victims also say 80 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: that because we are survivors and we move on problem. 81 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: So today I don't have any problem touching on that subject. 82 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: I know that the more I say, the more I tell, 83 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: the more I am somehow empowering other victims, not only 84 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: of John of God, but of other abusers. So today 85 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: I have no problem talking about what happened to. 86 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: So this is the story Annaboula wants to share with 87 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: the world, for herself and for others. It's her way 88 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: of making sure you whoever's listening, knows this. 89 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: Don't still to my door a long do im, I'm 90 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 2: not in pain anymore, londimizing it doesn't hurt anymore. Also 91 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: move to I am much more than the harm he 92 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: did to. 93 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: Me from exactly right media and on the media, this 94 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: is two faced John of God. I'm your host, Martina Castro, 95 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 1: episode three, The Treatment. That moment when John of God 96 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: locked the door to his office wasn't the first time 97 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: Anna Paula got a weird feeling about him. Months before, 98 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: a young American man who was assisting her father had 99 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: asked her. 100 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: If I was afraid of John of God, if John 101 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: of God had ever done something with me or tried 102 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 2: something with me. I remember him saying that I should 103 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: promise him that I wouldn't go to John of God's room. 104 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: Alone no voicesizing asal douche. 105 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: She thought it was a bit odd that this man 106 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: insisted so much on this, but she agreed. Anytime she 107 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: went to John of God's office, she made sure she 108 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: was accompanied by someone else. 109 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: Imajnavo key help me, she a comtessil. 110 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: I had no idea what really happened in. 111 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: There until this day in September two thousand and six, 112 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: when maybe becau because of the holiday or because she 113 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: was caught off guard. She does end up in Joel's 114 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: office alone with him, and when she hears him lock 115 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: the door, she starts to wonder if this is what 116 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: her father's assistant had been talking about. 117 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: I remember my eyes closed. I felt him running his 118 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: hands over my shoulder, putting his hands over my head, 119 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: putting his hands on my ass, on my breast, and 120 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: when I turned around, his pants were already open, his 121 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: penis was erect. He has an armchair in his office, 122 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: so he sat in that armchair and put my hand 123 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: on his penis and so on. And I remember that 124 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: at that moment, I froze. I just froze. I couldn't reacts, 125 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: and I fell to the ground. You know when you 126 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: lose your strength. I remember that I slipped and he 127 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: came like an animal on top of me. And then 128 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: I just couldn't. I couldn't defend myself. I couldn't get 129 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: rid of him. 130 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: No Sigi, just spreading the daily. 131 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: I remember when it was over in the bathroom, him 132 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: washing himself and me washing myself, and I remember that 133 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 2: he took me back to the place where my flip 134 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: flops were and the photo of my father and he 135 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: immediately said the prayer of Caratus and began conducting spiritual surgeries. 136 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 2: I was there, sitting in that chair with his mail, 137 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: with his ejaculation on me. I couldn't concentrate, and then 138 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: I couldn't keep my eyes closed. I just wanted to run. 139 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: Away from there. 140 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: And his mal and me. I remember, it's very strong. 141 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: He uses a specific brand of soap, so it's a 142 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: strong smell, and to this day I can't use that brand. 143 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: I feel immediately sick. That was the first. 144 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: Time Annabella didn't sit there long. She stood up and 145 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: ran back to the inn where she was staying. When 146 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: she found the woman who owned the inn, she told 147 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: her what had happened. 148 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: I was crying a lot. I was very nervous. I 149 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: told her what he had done to me, and she 150 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: slapped me and told me to shut up. 151 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: And Abela was in shock. This was a woman she trusted. 152 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: She didn't know what else to do, so she decided 153 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: to go back to the casa to see if she 154 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: could talk to one of the volunteers there. 155 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: I was crying a lot. A volunteer came, hugged me, 156 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: took me to the infirmary. Yeah, and then another woman 157 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: the nurse. I told her what had happened to me, 158 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: and she told me to be quiet because Gringa had 159 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: said something similar a month before and disappeared. Don't you 160 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: want your father to be well? Fig singa fig cat, 161 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: be quiet, Be quiet, Paulina, be quiet. 162 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: Anna Paula was dumbfounded. She had just been raped by 163 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: John of God, but everyone she went to for help 164 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: threatened her or told her to forget about it. She 165 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: tried one more time to report it to someone else 166 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: at the CAASA, someone with more power there, but again 167 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: she was faced with an incredible response. 168 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 2: I reported it to the wife of this influential volunteer, 169 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: who told me that it was part of the spiritual 170 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: work for him to penetrate me a Petra. 171 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: When Ana Paula realized that no one was on her side, 172 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: she decided she just had to leave Abadiana. So she 173 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: went to her father's room and begged him to go 174 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: with her. He agreed, but first he said he wanted 175 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: to say goodbye to John of God. She didn't have 176 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: the heart to tell him what Joel had just done 177 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: to her, so she changed out of her white clothes 178 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: and agreed to take her father back to the Gasa 179 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: to say goodbye. Once there, in her normal street clothes, 180 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: she got in line with him to see John of God, 181 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: or the Medium as she calls him. 182 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just measure even before my turn. The medium 183 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: had an eye on me. When I arrived. He asked 184 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: why I was dressed like that. He told me to 185 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: go talk to him in his office. 186 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: He told her to return to the very place where 187 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: he had just raped her. She thought twice about it, 188 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: and then she went. 189 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: Because what else could happen to me? Nothing? All had 190 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: happened already. So I went. I went to his office question. 191 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: I confronted him in a way. I told John of 192 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: God that he couldn't do that to me. I told him, 193 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: I'm here for my father. 194 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: You can't do that to you. I could Spanish. 195 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: I remember I sat on the couch and crossed my 196 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: legs because he gave the order not to cross your 197 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: legs at the cosage. You don't ask you. So I 198 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: made it very clear that I wasn't there in the 199 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: vibe of the house right And then I remember he 200 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: started saying, no, it's because you represent your father. It's 201 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: all done on you. Your father's treatment uses your energy because 202 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: you have a lot of energy. 203 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 3: And he said, then he said, and he said. 204 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: Life energy, sexual energy, healing energy. 205 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: And then John of God said something that cut straight 206 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: through all of her anger, all of her indignation, and 207 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: all of her pain. 208 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: With he said, I was the reason for that cancer, 209 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: what caused my father's illness, the reason my father was 210 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: there dying. 211 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: Imagine how hard it must be to hear something like that, 212 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: you are the cause of your father dying. Joan went 213 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: on to tell her that in their past lives, Anapaula 214 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: and her father had been in a dispute that had 215 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: to do with Annabaula, so her father's illness was a 216 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: punishment in this life for this previous experience. However painful 217 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: it was to hear this, it made sense to Annabaula, 218 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: according to her beliefs. 219 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: He said he was going to cure my father and enganges. 220 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: Nobody told me they were going to cure my father. 221 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 2: No doctor, neurologies, neurosurgeon, no one said they could cure him. 222 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: But he said, evoked with ali. 223 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 2: I'm going to cure your father. You don't understand. This 224 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: is a healing treatment. And your energy, you you represent 225 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: your father. And I believed it. I wanted to believe 226 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 2: it because I didn't want to lose my father. You 227 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: don't pay, so I believed it. He said that I 228 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: had to go to his office to do this treatments, 229 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: I mean, oh yea, And I went. 230 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: There was a thing a Venison live. 231 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: I was already twenty two years old then. 232 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: Was then quite dois today? 233 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: I'm forty two. 234 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: From makin is Achita. 235 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: Right at this moment in the interview, the studio engineer 236 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: in Brazil interrupts us to say that the computer all 237 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden shut down. The recording of the entire 238 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: interview up to that point, including an a powless description 239 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: of Joa's abuse, was erased. 240 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: It's funny that something like this always happens. When it's 241 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: done of God alto maluisoy, or a light is missing, 242 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: or something burns or the audio stops. You get used 243 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: to it because it's always like this. The computers failed. 244 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: It's incredible, incredible, incredible, isn't it? 245 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: Noya. 246 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: Thankfully, we always have a backup recording running just in case, 247 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: so we laugh it off. To be fair. Power outages 248 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: are common where the studio is located, so it's not 249 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: exactly surprising that this happened, but to hear how quickly 250 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: Anapaula blamed it on John of God shows how much 251 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: she still believes in his power to do something like that, 252 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: even so many years later. Anapoula isn't deterred, though she 253 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: looks a little rattled, but continues her story and tells 254 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: me about the months she spent undergoing this tree. She 255 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: says she came to see it as the sacrifice required 256 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: of her in order for her father to have a 257 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: chance at recovery, until it became very clear that it 258 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: was all a lie. For months in late two thousand 259 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: and six and early two thousand and seven, Annabaula lived 260 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: in Abadiana and was subjected to regular sexual abuse by 261 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: John of God, and. 262 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: The whole time it was the healing energy. He kept 263 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: saying that I had a lot of healing energy. Not 264 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: just secure my father, He implied that he even used 265 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: my energy to secure other people as well as and 266 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: I believed it because I didn't want to lose my father. 267 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: An Abaula's faith, one she held her whole life, was 268 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: a faith in the power of spirits and of prayer 269 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: to make the seemingly impossible possible, But now the moment 270 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: came when her faith couldn't hold on any longer. 271 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: Almost Amona Falisea. 272 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: A week before my father passed away, johannov Got told 273 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: me and my sister that he would start my father's cure. 274 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: At the moment until. 275 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: The last moment, I believed that. When a man picked 276 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: up my father in Annapolis to take him to Rio. 277 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: And then two three days later, on a Sunday, ten pm, 278 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: eight pm, my father dies. I think it was ten pm. 279 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: He passed away for days oi to the Falisal. 280 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: That's the time it actually ended, because right up to 281 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 2: the last second I believed it. 282 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: That's when the story John of God had been telling 283 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: her about her energy, his power, his confidence that he 284 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: would cure her father, all of it went up in smoke. 285 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when I began to become aware that those 286 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: spiritual treatments were actually abused. And then I had to 287 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: deal with the death of my father. I also had 288 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: to deal with the pain of telling my husband that 289 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: I had been raped several times and it was really painful. 290 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 2: It was really painful. Everything I went through afterwards was 291 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: really really painful. 292 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: He wanted to do. 293 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 1: It Annabaula spent the next decade in mourning and recovery. 294 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: She went to therapy and slowly tried to find answers 295 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: to very difficult questions that kept coming up for her. 296 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: How could she have let this man abuse her so 297 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: many times? How could she have let her belief in 298 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: him make her so blind to what he was doing? 299 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: Will say, I don't know or was it fanaticism idolatry? 300 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: I don't know one thing. 301 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 4: I do know. 302 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 3: He's wrong. 303 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: No, I that John of God is not of God. 304 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: He's not of God. Those God wasn't there. 305 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: Anymore, and Abaula had to reconstruct so much in the 306 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: years following her father's death. The sexual abuse nearly ended 307 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: her marriage, and she had to move to another city 308 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: for fear that John of God would find her. She's 309 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: also still working on rebuilding her relationship with her faith. 310 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: I got to the point of being kind of mad 311 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: at God. You know, today I have no religion today. 312 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: I do follow some some things that I believe because 313 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: I believe in your incarnation. It's so natural to me 314 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: that I can't think of it in any other way. 315 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: So this isn't something they put in my head. It's 316 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: just like like, there's no the way to understand, but 317 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: I don't have any religion. 318 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: However much Anna Paula needed to focus on herself, she 319 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: didn't lose sight of the injustice of what had happened 320 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: to her. For years, she did her best to denounce chow. 321 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: You could take in. 322 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: I heard countless rejections. Nobody wanted to take my. 323 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: Case forward, nim gay. 324 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: No one supported me, no one, nobody, nobody wanted to 325 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: face John of God. Even though everyone said no, and 326 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: everyone really like every police officer, lawyer, prosecutor, everyone saying no. 327 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: I didn't give up. What did I do? I went 328 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 2: to my guy necologist. I reported what had happened. I 329 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: have my medical record. I even have tests, including to 330 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: find out if I had caught a sexually transmitted disease. 331 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: Is any There's. 332 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: My entire medical record reporting everything I had been true. 333 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: Annapolo says the lack of support did not deter her. 334 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 3: In fact, I mean. 335 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: My strength only increased. That force was there inside me. 336 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: My father, he was a public defender, then he was 337 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: a prosecutor. He became a judge, So there were several 338 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: several people that he helped. He told and every day. 339 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 2: Even at the end of his life, my father would 340 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: wake up and take his bath, listening to songs, lots 341 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: of like happy songs and doing good and staying firm. 342 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 2: If he at the end of his life he acted 343 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: like that, helping people. Can you imagine if I'm not 344 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: going to act the same way. 345 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: And Aboula talks about helping people because denouncing Joal wasn't 346 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: just about letting the world know what he had done 347 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: to her. She knew there were others. 348 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't the only one. When Wednesday arrived, 349 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: sometimes he harassed me, abused me early Wednesday, and then 350 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: the caravans and buses would arrive and he would forget 351 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 2: about me. 352 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: That's because the casta was open to visitors Wednesday through Friday, 353 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: every week. 354 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: Wednesday Thursday, and I, thank God, I know what I'm 355 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: gonna say is horrible, because new women showed up and 356 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 2: he would leave me a bit alone. 357 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 4: I didn't know. 358 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: Exactly what he did with other women, but I could 359 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 2: notice some things. I was starting to notice that some 360 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: women there, they cried with pain in their voice like 361 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: I cried. 362 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: And then there was this woman who Aunapaula often saw 363 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: at the Casa when she would stop by to see 364 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: John of God. Every time this woman saw her, she 365 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: would wrap a sheet around Annabaula, almost as if to 366 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: try and protect her from Joao. 367 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: When she rapped me that sheet, it was Sabia Tela Sabilla. 368 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: I knew she knew, but people knew long before this, 369 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: before Annapaula ever set foot in Abadianya. Back in two 370 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: thousand and one, six years before Anna Paula visited the 371 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: Casa for the first time, Michael Baylot, the tour guide 372 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: we met in episode one, remembers noticing something was off 373 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: about Joao. 374 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 5: Everybody wanted to be close to him, but you couldn't 375 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 5: be close to this guy. He was totally aloof and 376 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 5: he wasn't a friendly kind of person that people didn't 377 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 5: make friends with Juan. 378 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 6: They worked there. That was it. 379 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: The GASA had been in operation for over two decades 380 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: and Michael had been living in Abadiana on and off for. 381 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 2: About a year. 382 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: He remembers observing Joel while he was treating visitors in line. 383 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 5: You weren't allowed to open your eyes to see what 384 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 5: was happening, and it was monitored, and if you opened 385 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 5: your eyes you'd be thrown out of there. But while 386 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 5: you were in the line, you had your eyes open 387 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 5: because you had to walk. And I would open my 388 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 5: eyes a lot. 389 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 6: When I was in there. 390 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 5: I'd just take a little peek. 391 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: And he often saw Chouau sitting there in his throne 392 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: like chair, looking rather bored. 393 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,239 Speaker 5: And he was always yawning and fidgeting. He wasn't in 394 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 5: a trance, he wasn't in an altered state. He was 395 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 5: just some guy in a chair playing god. But when 396 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 5: a pretty young woman, particularly teenage women, were in the line, 397 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 5: he'd perk up and his eyes would be glued on 398 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 5: that person, even though there were twenty people in front 399 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 5: of her. And once you'd get there that person, he'd 400 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 5: want to hold her hand. He'd pull her close to 401 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 5: him and he'd say, you are a medium. You need 402 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 5: to be trained to be a medium, and I'm going 403 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 5: to have a private meeting with you to teach you 404 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 5: how to be a medium. I began to get suspicious, 405 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 5: you know, who is this guy really? 406 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: Then Michael heard about a specific incident from one of 407 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: the visitors who came to him for help. 408 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 5: At this point, I'm one of the staff, and so 409 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 5: there was an older man middle aged guy, and he 410 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 5: was there with his twenty two year old niece, and 411 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 5: the niece had a problem with heroin addiction. 412 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: The man goes on to tell Michael what happened to 413 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: his niece. 414 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 5: When this young lady came up to Juan, he took 415 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 5: her hand and he had a towel in his lap, 416 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 5: and he put her hand under the towel and slipped 417 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 5: it into his unzipped trousers, and he had a full erection. 418 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 5: And when she touched she didn't know what she Jesus 419 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 5: grabbed her and pulled it in there. He ejaculated it 420 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 5: on her hand. This was with hundreds of people all 421 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 5: around sitting there and people in the line. So afterwards 422 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 5: the two of them want to know, well what happened. 423 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: So Michael starts asking around. 424 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 5: I asked the translator. He said, no, no, nothing like 425 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 5: that ever happens. I've never heard of such a thing. 426 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: Michael then decides to confront Joail. Maybe there was some misunderstanding. 427 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: Could this possibly be true? So he stands in line 428 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: to talk with him. Michel is face to face with 429 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: Joao or the medium as he also calls him. Michael 430 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: tells him what he heard. Joa fervently denies it. 431 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 5: But but everybody I asked, including the medium, we're saying, 432 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 5: but if something like that did happen, that was the 433 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 5: cure for the person. The person needed that to happen 434 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 5: to get cured. 435 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: These kinds of responses made Michael think there was something strange, 436 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: even sinister, going on, and a lot of people were 437 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: in on. 438 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 4: It, Seemunta's pesos sabillo. 439 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 6: Yes, a lot of people knew. 440 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: Marcellos Toduto, one of the mediums who worked with Joao, 441 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: confirmed during our interview that people at the Casa largely 442 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: knew this was happening. 443 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: Then trodestas pessolos. 444 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 6: Within these people, you had from the most loyal collaborators 445 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 6: in the sense of being fanatic, loyal in the sense 446 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 6: of not questioning anything. 447 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 4: Financial the espresso. 448 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 6: They knew it, but for all purposes Boa to fuck. 449 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 6: It's either a rumor, or it's gossip, or it's a 450 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 6: distorsion of someone who wants to take advantage and take 451 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 6: money from Jome. 452 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 4: That was asked as persos. 453 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 6: So you had these people, some of them had coordinating 454 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 6: positions in the house. 455 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 4: Then a sna cas and these. 456 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 6: People help reinforce the blindness. 457 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 4: So I shouldn't have for citing terms as a gate. 458 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: But Marcello says, then there were people outside of the 459 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: CASA who must have known. 460 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 7: Was sitting persos gee auto grouge influence on societity. 461 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 6: You have people with a high degree of influence in society, 462 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 6: high degree of power in society, kohoop chie and corrupt 463 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 6: or corruptible enough to help support this process. And if 464 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 6: there's any type of information complaint, et cetera, if you 465 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 6: right to go a little further, they were able to 466 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 6: use legal means to placate and somehow we raise these 467 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 6: records or archiving as we like to say, the records. 468 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 7: Or wakivando commandin costs anet was registers. 469 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: And of course there were also people who feel they 470 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: were healed at the Kasa, who fervently believed in the 471 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: power and sacredness of what was happening there. How could 472 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: someone who had healed them and so many others do 473 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 1: something this horrible. It just didn't make sense, So they 474 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: went to great lengths to defend Joao and his healing abilities. 475 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 6: Win shutto it has all we cried and prayed for 476 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 6: an awakening, for an understanding for everythink of his attitudes 477 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 6: to it. Of course, when we cried and prayed, we 478 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 6: didn't know half of everything that was happening. Of all 479 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 6: the criminal implications that occurred. 480 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 7: To total us involving means criminazus coo coohero. 481 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: The way he characterizes himself today, Marcelo seems to not 482 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: have been in the group of people who were blind 483 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: to what was happening, nor in the group fervently defending Joao. 484 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: He's somewhere in between. On the one hand, Marcelo now 485 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: says he knew something was off, he saw Joao have 486 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: dramatic shifts in his mood, and he didn't like that 487 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: Joao would pursue attention from celebrities and politicians. But Marsilo 488 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: also claims he had transcendental experiences at the Casa, as 489 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: did many others, and he convinced himself that a quote 490 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: profane act did not undo the holy work of the 491 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: sacred acts that were also happening there. 492 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 6: Said, I knew about the harassment, and people ask Kiko, 493 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 6: but why did you keep working knowing about the harassment? 494 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 6: Right for a myriad of reasons, Because harassment is not 495 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 6: the entire work of the cazage doing us. These are 496 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 6: some people chosen by him in the middle of this 497 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 6: work to satisfy his embellasis from the physiological point of view, 498 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 6: But they didn't hinder all the work that we did there, 499 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 6: which had a magnitude their intense school. 500 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 4: Grand went to INTENSI. 501 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: Maybe this line of thinking is why so many people 502 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 1: stayed silent about what they saw going on at the CASA. 503 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 6: And maybe it's exactly because there was something bigger that 504 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 6: that part could remain hidden for so long, right because 505 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 6: it becomes a mixture between the sacred and the profane, 506 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 6: and you no longer know when the sacred is prevailing 507 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 6: or when the profane is behind the scenes being enabled 508 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 6: by the sacred. 509 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: That fuzzy line between the profane and the sacred was 510 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: about to get a lot fuzzier. In twenty twelve, the 511 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: same year Oprah visits the GASA, a series of events 512 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: starts to take place that makes it harder to hide 513 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: the dark side of our renowned healer. First, it comes 514 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: to light that Joao was being investigated for manslaughter in 515 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: a death that took place at the GASA back in 516 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Deaths weren't uncommon at the Gasa, 517 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: people were in many cases seeking spiritual healing as a 518 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: last resort to pure terminal illnesses. But in the case 519 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: of Javit vijareal Bustus, who was from the US, one 520 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: of his sisters told TV Globo that his death could 521 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: have been avoided. He was suffering from AIDS when he 522 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: sought out John of God. According to letters he wrote 523 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: to his family, Joau told him to stop taking his medications, 524 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: and soon after Javiet died. Later in twenty twelve, Joau 525 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: was accused of sexually assaulting a seventeen year old young 526 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 1: woman in the small town where he had established a 527 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: second spiritual hospital. The young woman's father was an influential 528 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: man in the town, and he's rumored to have told 529 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: Joao to leave and never come back, or he would 530 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: have him killed. So Joao shuts down the Gasa there 531 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: and never returns. 532 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: But somehow none. 533 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: Of these events seem to deter Joao's community or movement 534 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: from growing. He continues running the Gasa as usual and 535 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: to expand his reach via international events. In twenty fourteen, 536 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: he returns to the Omega Institute in Upstate New York, 537 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: where he had held events on and off since two 538 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: thousand and seven. That time, he is said to have 539 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: treated nine thousand people over the course of three days. 540 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: If anything slows him down, it's when he gets sick. 541 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, he discovers he has stomach cancer. In 542 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: an interview with a Brazilian website called Fasia, Joao says 543 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: doctors gave him five to fifteen days to live. The 544 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: reporter asks him if he's able to channel spirits to 545 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: heal himself, and Joel gives a surprising response. 546 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 4: What has posted is the Ubarbier quartocabilio. 547 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: There you hear him say, does a barber cut his 548 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: own hair? I think everyone should go see a doctor 549 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: first before coming to Abadianya, And that's what he did. 550 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: Joao saw traditional Western medical doctors at one of the 551 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: most exclusive hospitals in Saubaulo. In twenty sixteen, Joa is 552 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: declared cured and he returns to the Casa in Abadianya. 553 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: Two years later. In May of twenty eighteen, the me 554 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: Too movement is in full swing in the US and 555 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: a woman in Holland decides to share her me too 556 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: moment in a Facebook post. In it, she says she 557 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: was raped by John of God. Maybe it's the graphic 558 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: and detailed way she describes what happened to her, or 559 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: perhaps it's that it comes from a woman who isn't 560 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: Brazilian and lives a nocean away. Whatever the reason, this 561 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: Facebook post slowly goes viral and it comes to the 562 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: attention of two journalists in Brazil who worked completely separately, 563 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: journalists who were inspired to investigate it. 564 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 8: And it was very, very shocking. I said, whoa, this 565 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 8: is someone completely different from the person we know. This 566 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 8: is a monster. 567 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 9: There were comments like see what I told you, and 568 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 9: I was like, whoa. Maybe it wasn't only her. 569 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 8: And I told the host of the show I was 570 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 8: working for, look this is what I found. And then 571 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 8: he said, go for it, keep digging. 572 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 9: Let's look into this, and in like forty eight hours 573 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 9: of doing that, she had six women. 574 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: That's next time on Two Faced John of God. Listen 575 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: to Two Faced John of God on the iHeartRadio app, 576 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. 577 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 3: There. 578 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: You can also find this show in Espanol just look 579 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: for dos Garas Juan de Dios. Two Faced John of God 580 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: is a production of Exactly Right Media and Adonbe Media 581 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: hosted and written by myself Martina Castro. Our senior producer 582 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: is Mariano Pachela, Reporting and fact checking by Eloisa Trajano. 583 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 1: Production assistance and research by Giovanna Romano Sanchez. Sound designed 584 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: by Maricio Mendoza and our mastering engineer is Martin Grus. 585 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: Original music was composed by Mariana Romano. The artwork is 586 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: by Vanessa Lilac. Marcellos. To Ruto was interpreted by Claudio 587 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: Dias and Anna Paula by Giovanna Romano Sanchez. For Exactly 588 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: Right Media, the executive producers are Karen Kilgarriff, Georgia hard Stark, 589 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: and Daniel Kramer, with consulting producer Lillie Ladowig and associate 590 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 1: producer j Elias. When this story broke, it led many 591 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: people to realize they two had been victims of sexual violence. 592 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: If you find that you need to talk to someone 593 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,439 Speaker 1: after hearing the stories we shared today, you can chat 594 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: with someone for free and confidentially at rain dot org. 595 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: That's r Ai n n dot o RG. Everyone we 596 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: spoke with for this podcast says the most important thing 597 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: to do as a survivor is to use the power 598 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: of your voice to get counseling and start the process 599 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: of healing.