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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show blockbuster revelations

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Speaker 2: on two different courtroom fronts today. Already Trump set for

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Speaker 2: trial March twenty fifth, New York City on the bookkeeping

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Speaker 2: a felony trial, which is a complete and total joke.

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Speaker 2: We will talk about that a little bit. They have

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Speaker 2: finished their lunch in Atlanta. They did not go to

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Speaker 2: Tennessee to my knowledge, for the lunch. For if you

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Speaker 2: don't know, that's one of the arguments that Nathan Wade

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Speaker 2: has made. No one has ever gone from Atlanta to

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Speaker 2: Tennessee for lunch ever. I just it doesn't happen. But

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Speaker 2: as someone who's made that drive a lot, I do

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Speaker 2: want you to know. Some of you out there might

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Speaker 2: be saying, Okay, Clay, I understand you and Buck are

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Speaker 2: having fun with this ridiculousness of Nathan Wade's testimony about

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Speaker 2: his sexual affair, with his cheating with Fanny Willis, but

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Speaker 2: maybe you're exaggerating what's going on on MSNBC. They are

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Speaker 2: in virtual tears over the collapse of this Atlantic case,

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Speaker 2: which Rachel Mattowen Company told you was really the one

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Speaker 2: that had to make Trump nervous because it was a

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Speaker 2: state trial, not a federal trial. He couldn't potentially pardon

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Speaker 2: himself all of those angles. It's in a swing state,

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Speaker 2: which has a different term. Now, obviously, given what's been

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Speaker 2: going on with Fanny Willis and Nathan Wade, potentially, but

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Speaker 2: here is MSNBC's legal expert. Just in the last few minutes.

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure that I get his name right.

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Speaker 2: Chuck Rosenberg, former federal prosecutor. He says, it's getting ugly.

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Speaker 2: It might be time for Fanny Willis to throw in

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Speaker 2: the towel.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Prosecutors have a higher obligation. It's not personal, it's

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Speaker 3: not egotistical, it's not about you. It's about the office

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Speaker 3: and the pursuit of justice. To your point, it might

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Speaker 3: be appropriate for ms Willis to consider removing herself from

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Speaker 3: this case now and turning the reins over to a

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Speaker 3: senior official in the District Attorney's office. Let him or

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Speaker 3: her handle it, because this is getting ugly and it's

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Speaker 3: getting messy, and my guess is it's not going to

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Speaker 3: get better.

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Speaker 2: That's MSNBC, so Buck, If they're saying that on MSNBC.

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Speaker 2: This is I mean, basically the Hindenburg of prosecutions right

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Speaker 2: now going on.

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Speaker 4: This is a wipeout. The case is falling apart before

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Speaker 4: everyone's eyes. Because this was always about the political implications

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Speaker 4: of bringing this charge and trying to also send a message.

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Speaker 4: Remember this is one that particularly goes after Trump associates,

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Speaker 4: So there were a couple of things that really got

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Speaker 4: the left excited about it. One is state charges versus

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Speaker 4: federal So even if Trump wins, theoretically he would not

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Speaker 4: be able to pardon himself, although I know people will say, oh,

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Speaker 4: yes he can, and they'll be lawsuits about that. But

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Speaker 4: also because it went after everybody who was a part

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Speaker 4: of the Trump election scheme, as they would say, a

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Speaker 4: part of the Trump racketeering effort. So that's something that

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Speaker 4: they that they've always wanted. They've been able to get

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Speaker 4: convictions and they've been able to take down Trump associates

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Speaker 4: in the past, but in this case, it was to

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Speaker 4: send a message, I think, for a second Trump term,

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Speaker 4: of maybe we can't get the big guy, but we'll

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Speaker 4: get you.

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Speaker 5: Well, actually it's looking like they're not going to get anybody.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So although I know a couple of people have

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Speaker 4: pleaded guilty, just to be clear, like Jenna allis pleaded

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Speaker 2: I wonder if they, well, that's a question that we've gotten.

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Speaker 2: A couple of people have emailed me. They want to

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Speaker 2: just get that wiped clean the case to be fair

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Speaker 2: and to be one hundred percent transparent. The case is

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Speaker 2: going to get a new DA. Right, they're not going

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Speaker 2: to completely abandon this, but it's effectively over. It will

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Speaker 2: take months for there to be a new DA. Trump

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Speaker 2: is going to go into this thing. Is this thing

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Speaker 2: is dead for the election? I think sometime in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five, I think they will quietly put this case

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Speaker 2: Like again, the people who have pled guilty guilty as

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Speaker 2: Like they haven't gotten any sort of significant penalty against anyone.

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Speaker 5: They had to write a public apology.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think probably the people who have pled

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Speaker 2: reason they did it was just to take it off

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Speaker 2: the docket, right to avoid there is a lot of stress.

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Speaker 2: I hope I never have to deal with it. To

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Speaker 2: having felony charges pending against you, even if you're one

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Speaker 4: And one thing is I see this. It's funny for

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Speaker 4: anyone who watches court TV, they already know this. But

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Speaker 4: whatever you look at this is this is a side

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Speaker 4: note everyone. But whenever you look at courtroom drama in

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Speaker 4: Law and Order, you ever notice how the judges chambers

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Speaker 4: and the courtroom itself there's like a magisterial of nature

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Speaker 4: to it all. You know, there's a lot of marble

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Speaker 4: a Harry Potter movie, right, and then you see a

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Speaker 4: real court like look, I'm looking at this courtroom where

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Speaker 4: they're having the relationship you know, cross examination or examination

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Speaker 4: right now by Fannie Willis, and it really looks like

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Speaker 4: you could be having a mutual of Omaha conference in

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Speaker 4: the courtroom in the modern sense. It looks like just

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Speaker 2: I will tell you this in general, whatever and this

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Speaker 2: gotten older and been involved in media and everything else.

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Speaker 2: Television makes things look more substantial than they actually are.

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Speaker 5: And when you actually get down to the nitty gritty

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Speaker 5: of it, what.

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Speaker 2: You find is in many different professions. For instance, I

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Speaker 2: don't think most of our politicians represent the best and

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Speaker 2: the brightest of us. I've met a lot of politicians.

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot that I would say, Hey, if

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Speaker 2: and there's a big difference in the profession too. And

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Speaker 2: I think what you're seeing exposed here with Fanny Willis

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Speaker 2: it with Alvin Bragg and the BS charges that he

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Speaker 2: brought in New York and what I would say in general,

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Speaker 2: big picture here, Buck and I'm curious if you would

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Speaker 2: agree this is a massive win for Donald Trump today

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Speaker 2: because what he's able to do, first of all, New

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Speaker 2: all the cases that are out there.

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Speaker 5: This is a huge win that it's the first one.

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Speaker 2: Because it is of all the charges that have been

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Speaker 2: of them. And I would just ask you this, buck,

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Speaker 2: you're from New York City. Given what we've seen with

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Speaker 2: Leticia James trying to put the Trump organization on trial,

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Speaker 2: I think that most people in a min Erica just

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Speaker 2: look at New York City and they just say they

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Speaker 2: to what happens in New York City other than it's

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a big win.

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Speaker 4: It's a win for now, but I'm sure you've seen

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Speaker 4: and it's it was made famous in Charlie Wilson's War.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know if it is a real Chinese proverb,

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Speaker 4: but talks about the Chinese proverb about the man whose

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Speaker 4: son is given a horse and he says, isn't this

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Speaker 4: his leg and says, isn't this a curse? And at

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Speaker 4: every stage of this the father says, we'll see you know,

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Speaker 4: I was in, let's see where it goes. I think

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Speaker 4: all of this looks like a big win for Trump.

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Speaker 4: But if they managed to get the J six case

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Speaker 4: that may be all they need to do. And I

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Speaker 4: still think that's the plan. I still think that's the

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Speaker 4: one that more so are they Yeah, I agree that

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Speaker 4: these are wins for Trump, sure, but I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: they're wins that will really matter if you manage to

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Speaker 4: get a J six convicted. If the January sixth case

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Speaker 4: falls apart, I think he's pretty and clear.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess the way I'm thinking of it is

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Speaker 2: if they set the trial date for March twenty fifth,

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Speaker 2: that's going to take a couple of months, right so,

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Speaker 2: and it may take more than a couple of months,

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Speaker 2: else go. The March twenty fifth start day, to me,

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Speaker 2: Buck pushes everything back into the summer now like the

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Speaker 2: absolute early the Chuck can, even if she had the

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Speaker 2: freedom to start a case, cannot start a case now

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Speaker 2: I am absolutely confident that if Chuckkin has an opening

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Speaker 2: to set a trial before election day.

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Speaker 5: She will do it.

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Speaker 4: Does not she will see she will set it for

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Speaker 4: October tenth. It does not matter. She will do it

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Speaker 4: because there's no law on one thing.

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Speaker 2: One thing that I think I should have mentioned on

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Speaker 2: buck one thing that they could do is they could

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Speaker 4: Then there's no way the case can go to trial.

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Speaker 4: I think that's among the least likely options.

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Speaker 5: That they will pursue.

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Speaker 2: I actually, if your goal is to create the least

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Speaker 5: So I just want to free.

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Speaker 4: The Court is willing to see itself as bailing Donald

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Speaker 4: I don't think they would. I think they would say

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Speaker 4: he doesn't have the immunity in October, but it would

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Speaker 4: effectively because if he becomes well, well that's all assuming

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Speaker 4: he wins the election, right, But if he wins the election,

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Speaker 4: then he just it's all over and then it becomes

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Speaker 4: a moot point. But I think the argument that if

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Speaker 4: they sit on the because they're not giving him the win, right,

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Speaker 4: they're saying that he doesn't have the immunity in October,

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Speaker 4: So it would be a negative for Trump that the

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Speaker 4: game is the timing now, right, guessing what Jack Smith

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Speaker 4: with the Circuit Court is about the timing of this.

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Speaker 4: So if somebody comes in Supreme Court or anybody else

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Speaker 4: seeing Court is the only one who could do it,

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Speaker 4: it would be viewed and I think unfortunately a majority

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Speaker 4: Amy Cony Barrett, I think certainly Roberts would go along

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Speaker 2: And so what I'm saying is they're ruling against him

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Speaker 2: Yes, they let the clock run, but they're hitting him

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Speaker 4: That's that's you know, saving saving them a million dollars

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Speaker 5: Keep the trial from happening.

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Speaker 5: So that is where we disagree.

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Speaker 2: It also makes him look like a nice guy, right

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Speaker 4: Not gonna Yes. All they really want is power. I mean,

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Speaker 4: But as long as they're entirely in power. I think

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Speaker 4: go forward with the Chuck and trial. So that's that's

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Speaker 2: I think they're troubled by the Jack Smith procedure and

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Speaker 2: I just don't know what their decision is going to

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Speaker 5: Could be well, we can get into it next. We

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Speaker 4: Eight hundred two way two eight h You on the lines,

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton chuck up a win for

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Speaker 5: All right, welcome back in.

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Speaker 4: Trump himself spoke out today on the issue of the prosecution,

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Speaker 4: which one the one of the four prosecutions going on

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Speaker 6: So, instead of being in South Carolina and other states campaigning,

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Speaker 6: I'm stuck here. It's an election interference case. Nobody's ever

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Speaker 6: seen anything like it in discut It's a disgrace.

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Speaker 7: It's a disgraceful situation actually, and.

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Speaker 5: We'll just have to figure it out.

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Speaker 6: I'll be here during the day and I'll be campaigning

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Speaker 5: Biden should be doing the same thing, but I'll be sleeping.

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Speaker 5: This is all from the DOJ.

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Speaker 7: This all comes out of Washington, co ordinated with the

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Speaker 7: Latisia Jane I want to be a.

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Speaker 5: Shamed of herself.

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Speaker 7: She's campaigned for years of trying to get Trump.

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Speaker 5: Without knowing anything about me. It's all rigged.

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Speaker 6: It's a rigged state, it's a rig city.

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Speaker 2: It's a shaman.

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Speaker 4: He's right, it is a rigged state in a rig city.

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Speaker 4: And that's the point. So all of this is crazy.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious how you would analyze it, Buck.

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Speaker 2: Is this not the most effective campaign in terms of audience?

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Speaker 2: If Trump has press conferences every day in New York City.

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Speaker 2: Alvin Bragg spends months on this crazy, stupid paper procedural

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Speaker 5: Jury and they get a mistrial.

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Speaker 4: I'd sit on that jury if I was on Florida now,

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Speaker 4: So I would love to be on any of these juries.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, the ongoing

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Speaker 2: Nathan Wade, Fanny Willis Shenanigans. There is testimony. We are

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Speaker 2: a kangaroo court. But I wanted to mention another story

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Speaker 5: There was a.

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Speaker 2: Shooting at the Kansas City Chiefs victory parade in Kansas

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is pretty pretty incredible. I want to

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Speaker 2: You know, we got him Okay, so that's one guy.

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Speaker 2: breaks out. They're right there, and they they're innate reaction,

441
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Speaker 2: as good decent human beings is to tackle the felons

442
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Speaker 2: and hold them for police. And I always think good

443
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: guys who do things like this deserve to become famous,

444
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: not the idiots who are pulling out their guns and

445
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: firing in crowded situations. So both these guys, this story

446
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: may vanish because it looks like it's just going to

447
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: be a all too often, just a shooting that there's

448
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Speaker 2: two different people who probably had long, I would bet,

449
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Speaker 2: criminal histories and shouldn't have been on the streets, and

450
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Speaker 2: unfortunately they're innocent victims.

451
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Speaker 4: Both of the perpetrators, based on what I saw in

452
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Speaker 4: the photos, I believe are young black males.

453
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Speaker 5: Correct, That's what I saw in the photos. Assuming those yeah.

454
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well that means that there's no national conversation that

455
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Speaker 4: needs to be had. That means that there's not going

456
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 4: to be a lot of discussion on CNN or MSNBC

457
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Speaker 4: about a culture of violence or about problems in you know,

458
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Speaker 4: trump Ism and the the the violence that Trump and

459
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Speaker 4: the white supremacy of Trump and all this. If you

460
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Speaker 4: have a white shooter, as we know, the media treats

461
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Speaker 4: the situation very differently. It always has political implications and

462
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Speaker 4: there's a very different set of discussions. I know because

463
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Speaker 4: I used to be at CNN, for example, when there

464
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Speaker 4: would be a terrorist attack and if it involved let's

465
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Speaker 4: say a jihattist, so a radicalized Muslim, there was one

466
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Speaker 4: playbook that they would try to run.

467
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Speaker 5: If for some.

468
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Speaker 4: Reason it happened to be like a disgrunt, old white

469
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Speaker 4: guy who you know, went psycho and started killing people,

470
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Speaker 4: well then it's time to push for bands on different guns,

471
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Speaker 4: as well as blaming Trump as well.

472
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Speaker 5: You know, there's all these after effects.

473
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Speaker 4: But when it's violence that the media covers that involves

474
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Speaker 4: a young, young African American shooter or just an African

475
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Speaker 4: American shooter, then all of a sudden, the media doesn't

476
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Speaker 4: really want to have analysis discussions. We don't look at

477
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 4: root causes, we don't look at anything like that. We

478
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 4: don't look at the you know, the psychology of the

479
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 4: shooter or the perpetrator, none of that. Certainly no political

480
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Speaker 4: implications as in, it's the fault of some politician, or

481
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: it's the fault of some political program. And I think

482
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 4: people eventually have or I think because it's happened for

483
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: so long, Clay, there is a sense of disgust at

484
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Speaker 4: this because it is so obvious.

485
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's even at the.

486
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Speaker 4: Point where you know, they they won't tell you about suspects.

487
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Speaker 4: Still at large in local news in a lot of cities,

488
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Speaker 4: they won't really describe the suspect, but they'll flash because

489
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Speaker 4: of all the surveillance cameras that are everywhere. They'll flash

490
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Speaker 4: on the screen so they know what the suspect looks like.

491
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Speaker 4: But they don't want to talk about what the suspect

492
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Speaker 4: looks like because they think it might be reinforcing a stereotype.

493
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Speaker 4: And I think that people do get very tired of that.

494
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Speaker 2: And Buck, this won't surprise you because you've come to

495
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Speaker 2: understand sports media quite a lot. Sports media immediately went

496
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Speaker 2: to guns have to be banned. I'll read a couple

497
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: of these. Rich Eisen, who is I believe at the

498
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Speaker 2: NFL network or used to be at the NFL network.

499
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Speaker 2: He has I would imagine over a million Twitter followers,

500
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 2: nine children, nine children who went to a parade to

501
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: celebrate their Super Bowl team, nine children now being treated.

502
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: When are we going to collectively realize there's a gun

503
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: problem in our country and do something sensible for our kids?

504
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Speaker 2: That was Rich Eisen to his millions of followers.

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Speaker 4: I would want Rich Eizen to explain to me, I

506
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 4: have many guns, any guns. I have them different places

507
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 4: in my house. I'm training with my guns this weekend.

508
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 4: Is there anyone on the planet who is less safe

509
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: because I have guns? No, And in fact there are

510
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 4: people who are more safe. Certainly me carry my family

511
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 4: because of my firearms and my training with them. So

512
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Speaker 4: is it a gun problem? I mean, it's very simone.

513
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Speaker 4: You know, I have some incredibly sharp knives down in

514
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Speaker 4: my kitchen. Occasionally someone stabs someone to death with a

515
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 4: kitchen knife. This does happen, right, happens more I think

516
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 4: with knives than it does even with rifles nationwide by far.

517
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 4: So do we have a knife problem. I don't think

518
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 4: we have a knife problem. I don't think we have

519
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 4: a gun problem. I think we have a people using

520
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 4: guns for illicit purposes to commit crimes, including shootings and

521
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 4: murders problem, and maybe locking up. I saw your tweets

522
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 4: on this. I could not agree more. It's so obvious

523
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: people that are a threat to society need.

524
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 5: To be taken out of society and put in incarcerated situations.

525
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 5: That's it. That's that is the only thing that will

526
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 5: actually stop this. And it's so rare.

527
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Speaker 4: You know, you already said this, What are the chances

528
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 4: we're going to find out these two individuals who pulled

529
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: out firearms in a crowded parade and we're shooting kids.

530
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Speaker 4: I mean, I know it was you. It looks like

531
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: this was like a shootout between the two of them

532
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 4: and they hit bystanders. Right, It doesn't seem that this

533
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 4: was an intentional mass shooter situation. But they ended up

534
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 4: shooting a bunch of children, okay, and they killed a

535
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 4: woman a DJ What are the chances we find out

536
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 4: that these are two really upstanding citizens that nobody would

537
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 4: have ever suspected we're going to pull their guns out

538
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: in a crowded place, in a celebratory day and ruin

539
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 4: it for everyone and take lives.

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Speaker 2: Zero The chance is basically zero. Yeah, yes, zero. RG

541
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Speaker 2: three won a Heisman Trophy. Robert Griffin IID tweeted, mass

542
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: shootings are not a political issue. Men, women in shouldern

543
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: are dying from mass shootings. That's not a political issue.

544
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: Thoughts and prayers aren't enough. America is a great country.

545
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: Put the politics aside, work together, pass laws to ensure

546
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: we're no longer known as the land.

547
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Speaker 5: Of mass shootings.

548
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: That's an emotion in place of an argument, which is

549
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: what you get from a lot of these sports players

550
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: as well as sports commentators. And as you and I know,

551
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: and I put you in a separate I mean, you're

552
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 4: sitting here on this show, and we're doing very well

553
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 4: on this show, and so you're a political and sports

554
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: commentary play. Let's be very clear about this. But I

555
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: think you and I can agree whatever we think of

556
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: political commentators. On average, sports commentators.

557
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 5: Dumber, way dumber.

558
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: Wait wait wait, way dumber and arguably more political, which

559
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: is crazy. And I think a lot of people have

560
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: not gotten used to the idea.

561
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 5: That was a lesson.

562
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: I learned from you that I thought you were crazy,

563
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 4: and it is definitely true the more I've paid attention

564
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: to it.

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Speaker 2: So you pointed out, I think the data is and

566
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Speaker 2: we wish there was no mass shootings that only two

567
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: percent of If we eliminated every mass shooting in America,

568
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of shootings would still be occurring, because

569
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: mass shootings are a tiny pinprick.

570
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Speaker 5: Here's another thing that I would that I would say.

571
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Speaker 5: You mentioned knives.

572
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Speaker 2: If I got a dui buck and hopefully so far

573
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: in my life, I have never got a dui. If

574
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: I got a dui one day, and my defense was

575
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: we got a real issue with cars. No one out

576
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: there would say, you know what, Klay Travis has got

577
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: a point.

578
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 5: Yes he was drunk, Yes he was.

579
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: Breaking the law, Yes he was driving after having had

580
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 2: way too many drinks. But it's really not a the

581
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 2: individual responsibility of plays when it comes to alcohol issue.

582
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 5: This is really about cars.

583
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Speaker 2: If I tried to make that argument, Buck, the universe

584
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: would be aligned against me.

585
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 5: I would trend number one in America, and.

586
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: Everyone would ridicule me for arguing that my DUI was

587
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: not about me, or my choices, or my violation of

588
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: the laws that pertained to alcohol. It was actually about

589
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: the car itself. I would submit to you. That's what

590
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: happens with every single shooting that the story is never

591
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: we don't even know who these guys are. But again,

592
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Speaker 2: I would wager a substantial amount. The average in DC,

593
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: they did a study, Buck, The average number of arrests

594
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: before someone commits a murder is double digit in Washington, DC.

595
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: Most of you listening to me right now have never

596
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: been arrested. It's not typically easy to get arrested. It

597
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: certainly is not easy to get arrested double digit times. Imagine,

598
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: imagine if the conversation for the next time somebody gets

599
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: at DUI was, man, this car.

600
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Speaker 5: We got a real issue with cars in this country.

601
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 4: It'll be there are their arguments are are bad, which

602
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: is why it gets I mean, obviously bad.

603
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 5: That's why it gets very frustrating.

604
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 4: Whenever you look at this, and I mean you can

605
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 4: take a look for example at I mean, I was

606
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 4: just trying to pull this up to give everyone a

607
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: sense of it. I'm trying to find a team helped

608
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: me out with this one, because I can do it.

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Speaker 4: Per hundred thousand. So the population of Wyoming is about

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Speaker 4: six hundred thousand people. I go to Wyoming because the

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Speaker 4: population of Wyoming six hundred thousand people, and they have

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Speaker 4: a over sixty percent of households have a gun. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so it's a very high gun ownership state, about six

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 5: And it has let me see what this is.

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Speaker 4: Here, two murders per one hundred thousand residents. So maybe

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Speaker 4: I don't know, like I'm.

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Speaker 5: Virtually no violence dozen of that nature in the entire state.

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Speaker 5: Of a weight of six.

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Speaker 4: Hundred thousand people, let's say four hundred thousand of them

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Speaker 4: have access to a firearm, and you have I don't

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Speaker 4: know a dozen a dozen murders in the state. We

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Speaker 4: got a gun problem, folks. There's a big gun problem

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Speaker 4: Wyoming apparently because I mean, and by the way, there

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Speaker 4: aren't those aren't all necessarily even gun dets. I think

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Speaker 4: I think everyone sort of sees when you actually look

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Speaker 4: at the numbers and the stats. In the arguments, they're

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Speaker 4: just they are emotions in place of an argument, and

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Speaker 4: ultimately they want to disarm people like me, and they

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Speaker 4: want to disarm our audience. They want to disarm people

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Speaker 4: who are law abiding.

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Speaker 5: Because they want to control them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they don't also want to have a conversation

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Speaker 2: about how to solve gun violence, because if you had

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Speaker 2: that conversation, you have what three percent of the population

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Speaker 2: that's committing basically over half of all murders in.

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Speaker 4: This There were eighteen murders in Wyoming in twenty twenty

638
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: of thousands of gun owners, four hundred thousand gun owners,

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Speaker 4: eighteen murders.

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Speaker 2: There, you go virtually non existent. If you're a family

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Speaker 5: Is Jump the.

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Speaker 4: Best Van Halen song play.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I can name another Van Haalen thom

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Speaker 2: uh this this could be love or right?

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Speaker 5: Get this, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know I recognize songs unless it's from the

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Speaker 2: nineties or the early two thousands. The odds of me

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Speaker 2: knowing who actually sang the song are almost zero.

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Speaker 5: Like I know.

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Speaker 2: Elvis, I know the Beatles, I know like the Rolling Stones,

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Speaker 2: stuff like that. But I'm I like, I would not

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Speaker 2: have known who sings the jump song. You didn't know

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Speaker 2: that was van Halen. No, I wouldn't have known.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think when it's so, there's two songs.

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Speaker 4: When it's love by van Halen has gotta be up there,

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Speaker 4: so that would be the other one.

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Speaker 2: I'm not kidding when I say I am tone deaf

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Speaker 2: and can't this be loved?

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Speaker 4: Just to be clear, which is so? It gets confusing?

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Speaker 4: There's why can't this be love? And when it's love?

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Speaker 4: This singing a lot about love over there.

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Speaker 2: My knowledge of music is almost non existent really, So

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Speaker 2: see this is.

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Speaker 4: Interesting because we don't talk about much of the show.

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Speaker 4: I was a classically trained musician growing up. No one

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Speaker 4: ever knows what the what the instrument is. It's clearly

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Speaker 4: not the guitar, because I would probably still be talking

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Speaker 4: about it to this day. People throw I love the

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Speaker 4: guesses too. People throw.

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Speaker 5: Who's telling you these things? I'm just gonna say, I

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Speaker 5: don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the clarinet, or maybe trying to I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: think of what would be the most embarrassing instrument to

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Speaker 2: have been classically trained in, and I think it was

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Speaker 2: the flute. I think it would be the flute of

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Speaker 2: all the instruments, worse than the clarinet. Yeah, because the clarinet,

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Speaker 2: like you could actually, you know, with the clarinet, you

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Speaker 2: could be in a band and not look like a loser.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone has ever blown a flute.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, not look like a complete players flute players

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Speaker 4: unite at Clay Travis on Twitter.

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Speaker 5: You got to light him up on this one.

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Speaker 4: Have you not heard of James Galway or Jean Pierre

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Speaker 4: rampal Ser.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of either, but I can guarantee you

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Speaker 2: they're losers because they play the flute. If you voluntarily

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Speaker 2: play the flute, I think you're a complete. And I'm

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Speaker 2: not a huge band guy in the first place, but

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Speaker 2: of all the instruments you could play, I think the

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Speaker 2: highest loser contingent would be the flute.

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Speaker 5: So if we're not find out soon skills.

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Speaker 2: If you're not willing to admit what instrument you played,

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Speaker 2: I presume it was the flute,