WEBVTT - The Fight for Our Lives 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.480 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woke f Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:20.400 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from my Long Island bunker. Folks, 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:25.400 it has been now over a week or a week 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.320 at that, I don't know, because time is a construct. 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:33.440 Since women and people with uteruses in this country have 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:39.240 lost the ability to have bodily autonomy. I can't express 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:47.360 how much this decision by this radicalized, corrupt Supreme Court, 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:53.159 with two stolen seats, both of which were stolen by 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.440 Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump. And I am talking about 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:01.560 Amy Covid Barrett, and I am talking about out Brett Kavanaugh. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:07.720 We are living at a time that none of us 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:15.399 have any basis foundational understanding of. I think that what 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:21.440 makes me so incredibly terrified in this time is that 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:26.759 it is so unpredictable. Precedent no longer matters, the rule 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:31.560 of law, no longer matters, what the majority of people 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:36.800 believe and want and vote for, no longer matters. What 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:44.080 matters are the opinions of nine justices, or rather six justices, 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:53.040 who are imposing their radicalized Republican Christian fundamentalist vision for 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.040 America on the rest of us, who did not vote 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:04.360 for them in these lifetimes impositions. This Court has not 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:09.320 only signaled, they have dropped an atomic bomb on the Constitution, 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:14.440 on precedent, on our rights as citizens of these United States, 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.079 the right to privacy, the right to be able to 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.799 sue the government and police officers for not providing us 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.440 with a reading of our Miranda rights, the ability of 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.720 governors and mayors in this country to be able to 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:35.040 keep their constituents safe from rapid gun violence in places 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.840 where we have condensed populations of eight million people and more. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:45.480 What this Supreme Court has laid bare is that our country, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:50.600 our democracy, is fucking broken. I talk about this every 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.520 single day on this show. I remember when I sat 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:59.200 in my recording chair five years ago and said that 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:03.440 Donald Trump election was going to be the undoing of 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.200 our country, and it was going to be white Supremaci's 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.840 last stand. I said countless times over and over again 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.440 that the fight for the soul of this country was 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.919 going to get bloodier before it got better. Folks, that 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:23.399 day has arrived. When I hear now that after rov 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:28.120 Wade has fallen after fifty years, that gun legislation has 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:33.040 fallen after a hundred years, that these radicalized Republicans are 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:38.280 not just going to be satisfied with their patchwork of rights. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.800 They want to ensue. They want to create, excuse me, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.320 a nationalized ban on abortion. They want to at one 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.280 time have states have all the rights, but only the 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.800 states that they actually like, only the red states that 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:58.080 are enligned with their fucking dated and sick and twisted 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:02.440 ideology to be able to oppress as many people as 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:07.920 they want. And you know, listening to Joe Biden now 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:12.160 say that the time has since passed for there to 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.680 be an end to the filibuster so that we can 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:21.039 codify privacy into fucking law that cannot be changed at 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.800 the whim of a Supreme Court or at the whim 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.000 of a new president. I'm saying, where the fuck have 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:32.160 you been right? We've been saying this, Black people in 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.440 particular in this god forsaken fucking country have been saying this. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.120 But you see, what I have recognized is that Republican 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:46.200 and Democrat are playing the same fucking game, and we 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.160 are the chips. They are sitting at the same poker table, 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.320 and what they are trading back and forth are our rights. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:59.080 You see, the Democratic Party now gets to purport themselves 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.040 as the party of the people. But when you had 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:07.719 the opportunity during the Obama administration to codify these laws, 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.440 you decided that you would rather play with the people 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:17.599 who would then later call into question Barack Obama's citizenship, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.880 call into question the legitimacy of Joe Biden's presidency, and 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.559 then tell us outright that people of color, queer people 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.360 in this country, people who are in a non Christian 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:33.280 faith have no fucking rights less those that are dictated 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:39.080 by six white, hetero powerful men in power. And you see, 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.880 the Democratic quote unquote opposition is fine with that because 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:47.520 they are a part of the patriarchal hierarchical structure in 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:53.200 this country. They benefit from it. So they are using 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:58.680 right now our rights as a fucking fundraising tool when 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:03.360 they should have been out front, knowing back from when 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:08.039 the fucking decision for Roe v. Wade was leaked to 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:13.440 take fucking action. Joe Biden has about five goddamn months 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:19.919 to jam through and fucking expand the court because following 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.080 the fucking upset that will be the midterm elections, barring 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:28.839 an outside fucking miracle, you're not going to get another chance. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:35.680 So you know, folks. Today I will be in conversation 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:40.839 once again with Noreene Farrell, who is the executive director 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:44.600 and CEO of Equal Rights Advocates, and we will be 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:50.240 talking about this devastating opinion in the Dabbs case that 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.440 fundamentally extinguished Roe v. Wade and the right to privacy 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.080 and the right to abortion in this country. We will 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:01.120 be talking about from her perspective, as all so a lawyer, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.080 what it is that she believes can be done in 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.279 the current climate that we are in with this administration 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.400 in order to secure the rights of women and people 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.800 with uteruses. We are in the fight for our fucking lives, 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:20.040 and I think, unfortunately it has taken a catastrophic loss, 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:24.800 and these continued losses that this radicalized fucking Supreme Court 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.600 is giving out right for people to wake up, for 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.720 people the privilege, the white and the privilege and the 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.640 wealthy to wake the fuck up and realize that there 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:40.280 is nowhere safe in this country for them, and that 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.200 while they were totally fine with black people and queer 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:48.600 people and non Christian people being taken advantage of being threatened, 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.720 now that their own lives are threatened, is it too 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:56.760 fucking late for us to do the work in order 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.440 to secure our democracy? 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Folks, I am 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:16.080 very happy to welcome back to Woke f Noreen Farrell, 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:21.400 who is the executive director of Equal Rights Advocates, to 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.160 discuss the new healthscape that we are living in posts 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:33.440 the Supreme Court's decision to deny precedent to return women 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.920 and people with uteruses back to the twentieth century, to 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:41.080 a time when bodily autonomy was not ours was not 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.960 a thing. Norien, I just want to start off as 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.600 I've been starting off with all of these conversations with 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:53.600 organization leads, with friends, with family, which is my god, 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.800 how are you even distilling your emotions at this time 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:12.280 with this decision. I I am compartmentalizing the hell out 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:18.320 of these past couple of days because the devastation is 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:25.160 so deep, and I'm exhausted thinking about the work ahead. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:31.280 But I am so angry and so fired up and 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:37.400 so clear about the right side of history here. I mean, 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:43.760 it isn't We've seen fifty years of gender justice progress 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.960 just decimated, and I think that we are in for 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.840 the gender and human rights battle of the century for 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:55.200 a bodily autonomy and I'm just trying to ground myself 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.760 as a as a as a mother, as a human, 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:03.000 as a leader, as a lawyer, as a protester and activists, 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.600 and and and trying to really get clear about one 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:13.480 step after the next to mitigate the harm. I want 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.960 you to put on your your lawyer hat for us 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.240 for a minute, which I'm sure you probably don't take 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:23.280 off these days. But you know, in the decision that 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:28.760 Alito wrote, um, and then the concurrent decision that Clarence 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.840 Thomas wrote, it is very clear and evident where this 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.960 radicalized and corrupt, in my humble opinion, not putting words 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:41.920 in your mouth, corrupt, Supreme Court is headed. Um. They 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.160 do not believe that any of the cases that were 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:52.079 one under privacy, such as Rovie Wade, such as Obergefeld, 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:59.040 such as Lawrence, such as the cases that we have 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.600 seen over the last decade plus, they don't believe in it. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.640 And so I want to get your legal understanding and 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.520 how you were able to distill this decision and then 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:15.280 the concurrent opinion from Thomas about the assault that they 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:23.200 want to have on privacy and on autonomy in this country. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:28.040 How do you see their decision? Well, look, you know, 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.640 we're dealing with a majority court that consider themselves originalists, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.040 and so that means that women and black people and 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.960 anybody else who was excluded from the writing of the 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:44.440 Constitution in seventeen eighty seven won't be considered in its interpretation. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:51.360 I think that I think that the descent made really clear. 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.200 There are no promises from any member of the majority 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.320 of this court that we can depend on, and Claris 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.880 Thomas was very clear about what's new next. I think 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:06.160 that we just have to accept that the front lines 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.440 of the federal judiciary for our civil and constitution human 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.079 rights is gone, and we are back in the States. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.920 We are talking about state constitutions and what can be 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:23.800 done to fortify them. But even if the Supreme Court 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.680 doesn't want to start to unravel some of these prior 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:31.400 decisions allowing us to have the family of our choosing 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.480 to marry who we want, to our basic privacy rights, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.680 this is the green light to states to do just 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:42.640 that in their own courts. And you know, I'm looking 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:53.800 at fast, furious, chaotic, and incredibly compact complex state and 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.520 federal litigation in the next two decades. Based on what 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:03.280 happened on Friday, You know, but we say that the 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:07.560 federal federal protections are gone and that we're going back 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.400 to the states. But if you look at the decision 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.760 that was made with regard to New York's ability to 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.560 have one hundred and eleven year old law on the 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.360 book that would deny people the right to conceal and 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:23.360 carry in this state be overturned, it is evident that 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:27.720 they don't actually believe in states rights as long as 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.200 it is about protecting individuals. If it is about taking 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.720 away rights like the state's ability to say we're going 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:40.400 to be an abortion provider, state an asylum states, that 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.720 they still have their eye on that as well. Right, 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.440 So this court is both saying, oh, it's states rights 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.520 as so long as you're taking away rights, But if 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:57.600 you are providing safety and sanctuary for people, then that's 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.520 not your decision to be made. So what what is 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:05.080 the strategy for you and your organization as you go 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.280 into these states knowing that you know there is a 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:14.160 faction of the Republican Party UM who sees a national 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:18.600 abortion ban in their sights UH in twenty twenty four 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.560 that does not believe in states rights. They want a 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:30.560 totalitarian rule. So what's the strategy that you see going forward. UM, Well, 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.400 my t shirt on the on the streets this week 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.120 as if my you know, uterus head bullets, would it 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:40.479 be had more rights? UM? I think yes. The hypocrisy 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.920 of um, of the states rights argument, and you know, 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.800 I've been in the past couple of days and head 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.680 on heads with people that are hailing the decision. UM. 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.280 There is just there's obviously no intellectual or legal integrity 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.640 and that's happening. UM. And so I do think that 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.240 I do think that UM. You know, it's going to 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.000 take about twenty years, I think for the Supreme Court 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:15.360 to start to detach some of that hypocrisy and legal analysis. M. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.560 I do think that there is a space though potentially 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.760 for lower level federal courts on some of these issues too, 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:27.160 you know, seize on that kind of precedent of what's 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.640 happening in terms of gun control to support UM, federal 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.640 you know, whatever semblance of federal protections there are for 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:39.280 basic privacy rights, if not abortion. UM. And so you 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.240 can be sure that legal advts are going to be 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:46.720 seizing on places where where the federal government and judiciary 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.960 has stepped in in terms of rights and apply them 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.600 for gender, racial, economic justice. But that being said, I 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:59.760 think that the strategy, um, I think the strategy frankly, 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.760 there's a good case that came out of Florida by 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.840 a Jewish synagogue right saying that this is a violation 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:12.200 of my religion, really setting up other core constitutional rights 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.879 that are being undermined by this decision and by state 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:20.119 laws I think are very smart, you know, the the 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:26.080 duty of care that's owed by physicians, religious freedom to 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.639 have bodily autonomy. I think that these are places where 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.480 you know that hypocrisy can be and those contradictions can 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.840 be seized on by the right federal courts potentially, you know, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:44.520 I do think though that that aside, we are definitely 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.960 going to have to be changing who is selecting judges 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.439 who are on our bench. I mean we I'm not 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.520 the only one that thinks that about administration needs to 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.880 be thinking about much more radical steps right now in 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:03.040 terms of the courts, composition, etc. But you know, I 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:08.680 don't think there's any even pretense of intellectual judicial integrity 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:13.080 in what happened on Friday, And hopefully the voters will 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:17.560 see that as well, because well, unlike guns, I think 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.320 I think reproductive justice do hit core economic justice rights 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.720 works which are very important to a wider swath of voters. 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.520 You know, I want to go back to the point 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.840 that you just made about the Biden administration because I 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.040 will tell you that you know, with the people that 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.919 I speak to on a regular basis, there is a 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:41.720 deep frustration that is growing with this administration and their 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:46.040 lack of sense of urgency, the lack of urgency, the 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:52.000 lack of strategic thinking right, the lack of pushing boundaries 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.879 to the limits that the federal government has. What the 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.520 voters keep hearing is, Oh, we can't do this, we 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.240 can't do that. Oh it's up to Congress. Um. So 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.400 I want to get your thoughts on what is it 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:08.399 that you do believe that the administration could be taking 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.200 the steps that they could be taking, or frankly freaking 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.320 the steps that they should have been taking. Knowing uh, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.520 you know, several weeks ago when we got the draft 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.880 decision that this was coming down the pike. So it 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.240 was like as if everyone was just kind of sitting 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.440 around in the democratic establishment and in this administration, you know, 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.000 just looking up at the sky or naval gazing, and 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:34.800 we're saying our rights are under attack. So and and 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:39.879 you know, just recently, Vice President Harris did an interview 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:44.399 where she's being asked about their sense of urgency. People 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.880 want you to do something now, and she goes, do 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:51.600 what now? So what what is your response to that? 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:57.480 You know, there's comes a point in the movement where 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.960 it doesn't matter if your strategy works, it's the fact 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:05.720 that you pursued it. And I think that, UM, I 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.119 think that I find this this frustration often with people 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:14.200 in Washington who are very cognizant of the rules, UM, 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.720 but they are not cognizant of the optics of not 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.920 even trying to break them, you know, making moves right 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:26.320 now to expand the Supreme Court, you know, getting getting 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.879 the DOJ and others with all the state attorney generals 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:34.919 and supporting state by state defense with the resources of 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:39.880 the administration, right being a leader in coordinating that, um, 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.399 you know, making moves to you know, make sure that 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.520 the Equal Rights Amendment is past and then bringing a 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.480 bringing a you know, a counter student as a violation 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.560 of that constitutional right. You know, thinking about um, you know, 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.119 not to mention all the legislative you know fixes that 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.800 should be coming up again and again and again and 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.520 making the election about those legislative fixes, right. I mean, 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.720 as we sit you know, as we sit here, Barbara 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.119 Lee has an amazing you know bill that would have 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.160 countered what happened, and it's just that comes and goes 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.040 and then it's quiet. I just think they need a 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:20.440 concerted legal, legislative executive strategy UM its regulatator story strategy 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:25.120 and frankly, a mobilizing strategy UM and and working with 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.440 progressive governors in this moment um. You know, we've got 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.400 the governor of We've got the governor of Michigan challenging 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:34.640 a book that's been on you know, a law that's 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:36.560 been in the book since nineteen thirty one that would 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.720 you know, felonizes uh uh you know abortion and reproductive 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.479 healthcare access. That's challenging it in court, right, and lending 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:49.040 those resources and being vocal about it. Um. You know, 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.920 it can't be like, well, it's just all going to 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:55.440 be about the election. This has happened right now, Um, 0:21:55.800 --> 0:22:00.760 you know, getting pursuing less AOC doing. How do we 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:02.760 how do we get rid of these these judges that 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.680 lied about respecting precedent um? You know, I mean they 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.880 lied under oath, right, and your lawyer, so you tell me, 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.320 isn't lying under oath? Isn't isn't there a penalty for that? 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.879 These are the kinds of you know, these are the 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:21.320 kinds of uh, you know, actions that I think would 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.160 really you know, build faith among those of us who 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:29.000 know the incredible harm and devastation and the lives that 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.679 will be lost because of this decision. So UM, you know, 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.359 I think that we in the legal community, we use activists. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:40.000 We are trying to embold m federal action and executive 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.560 action as much as possible, so we've got your back. 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.800 Do what we're doing. UM in California at the federal level, 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:52.000 introduce a package of thirteen bills at once that talks about, 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.600 you know, respecting the hippocratic oath of doctors, that talks 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:59.520 about um potentially you know, equal protection, cause claims for 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.800 base sick worker rights to do their jobs. You know, 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.520 you know, there are so many who who are bringing 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:09.240 you know, bills about religious freedom, for bodily autonomy, take 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.719 your cues. There are so many strategies that are calculating 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.280 in the states that are you know, very exciting and 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:20.159 creative and they could be a roadmap for executive and 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:24.680 federal action right now. And I think that that would, um, 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:28.280 you know, we just need the severity of what happened 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:32.040 to be met by it, you know that kind of response. Um, 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:39.520 And uh, it's it's really I mean, and also from 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.000 you know, from corporate America, from every from every source. 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.400 We need to be reading this as it is because 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.920 you can bet that there's been you know, five decades 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:52.480 of organizing for this moment by the right wing and um, 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:55.720 you know, we're just going to be battered by state 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.640 laws right now. Um, in the absence of really clear 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.120 exactetive in federal action. I mean, why do you think 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.159 that we became so complacent? And I mean the collective 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:10.119 we progressives, Democrats because you know, the thing that I 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:15.320 keep talking about is that I'm not so certain why 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:19.200 all of this was a shock. Republicans have been organizing 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.800 in plain sight for fifty years. They've been telling you, 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:26.000 Donald Trump told you right that I am going to 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:30.560 elect conservative judges who do not believe in a person's 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:35.560 right to choose you. Democrats knew this when Obama was 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.800 in office and allowed Mitch McConnell to hold a Supreme 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:42.560 Court seat hostage and didn't push back. We allowed Amy 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:46.480 Covid Barrett to be elected to to be appointed to 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:49.200 the Supreme Court, and when the Biden administration came in, 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.919 there was no pushback to that fact. Democrats did not 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:57.640 put up a fight to block to block her from 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:01.760 being placed on the bench. It's it's everyone keeps thinking 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:03.760 that we're going to get another bite at the apple, 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.680 and I said it's done. So I'm just I want 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.840 to know, like, how do you think that we got here. 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.600 I think it's a lot. I think it's a lot, 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.600 a lot of forces at play. And you're right, we 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:24.239 only have ourselves to blame. But you know, when we 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.720 when we hear in the writings like you're right, Justice 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.760 Barret about we could be leaving babies at you know, 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.399 the steps of churches. You know, we're talking about children 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:35.760 that are eleven, twelve years old getting pregnant and having 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:40.800 babies without the access to abortion. Um. You know, I 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:44.639 it doesn't come as a surprise to me because I 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:48.639 don't know that this country has ever taken seriously really 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:52.800 fighting the patriarchy or racist power structures. We see that 0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:55.800 in you know, this abortion ban is in the context 0:25:56.000 --> 0:26:02.560 of the contraction of basic support that allow women and 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.639 people with uteruses, and people with family to work, to 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:08.640 be educated. Let's just talk about education. This is the 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:13.439 fiftieth anniversary of Title nine, which is supposed to ensure 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.400 that every kid in this country has equal access to education. 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.240 How is that possible if you can't decide when and 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:23.040 if to have children? So, I, you know, you and 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.320 I both know that this has never just been about abortion. 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:29.639 It is about the control benefit, the benefit that comes 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:33.159 out of gendered roles. You know, yet in women out 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.639 of the workplace, dependent on male read winners, out of 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:40.880 the political process that impacts their lives, and so I 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.720 think that people across the aisle benefit from that. We 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:46.159 don't need to look any further than the fact that 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:50.600 we could not pass a universal childcare package, that the 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:55.440 twenty six states that are now forcing births have not 0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:59.800 passed paid leave in their states, And so I think 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:04.840 it we we really hurt ourselves when we continue to 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:08.600 talk about issues in siloed ways, because it just makes 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.000 you feel like you're whackamling. And I'm sure that that's 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.640 what's happening at the federal level. Let's get this one. 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.160 Let's get this let's do this as opposed to saying, 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.760 unless you're really taking a comprehensive approach, these are going 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:24.680 to accumulate to a perfect storm of what happened on Friday, 0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.439 and that will continue to storm over the country for 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:31.200 decades to come. And I just think that we need 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.440 we need leaders that are articulating this in that way, 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.920 and we need voters to get it in that way. 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:43.600 And there's such a conservatism about even I mean, you 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:45.560 and I talked about this the last time. I don't 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:48.080 even think the word was abortion. Abortion was used in 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:54.080 the last presidential address. He I literally I sat there big, 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.080 and I was and I was and I'm listening to 0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.840 this emergency address in the afternoon, and I was waiting, 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.960 and it was like, what ten fifteen minutes, abortion was 0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:07.320