1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bet You're Happy Hour. I'm 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Joe and I'm Serena and we are here today with Cindy. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: Good job. 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: That was good. Thank you from Golden Bachelor. Cindy. How 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: are you. 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 3: I'm doing great, better than I deserve, probably, but I'm 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 3: doing great. Thanks for no such thing. 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: No such thing. 9 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean. I'm good. I'm good. How are you? I'm great. 10 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: I'm happy to meet you. You've been on this podcast before, 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: but sadly you were on the one of the very 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: few weeks a year that Joe and I were not 13 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 2: on it. Yeah, there's only like one or two times 14 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: that ever happens, So we were sad to miss you, 15 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: but we're excited to chat with you today. We have 16 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: a nice two part interview coming out. 17 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 3: Well, I'm happy to meet with you too, and I'm 18 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: glad you had a great trip. You deserve it. You 19 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 3: take that time for yourselves. 20 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: Thank you. Yes, it's much needed. 21 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: So you live. I want to you know, I know 22 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: some of our audience knows some of the stuff already, 23 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: but you live in Austin, Texas, right. 24 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: I live in Austin, Texas. I've been there for about 25 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: thirty years, but today many years. Uh Los Angeles. So 26 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: but yes, I've been in Austin for a long time. 27 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that city's really changed. Tom. 28 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I live in downtown and downtown. When 29 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: I moved, there was a ghost town. Nobody lived down there. 30 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: There was not even there wasn't any apartment complex or 31 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: high rise at all downtown. Really, that was it. We 32 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 3: had an ordinance that you couldn't build buildings taller than 33 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: the state capitol, right, okay, so everything was really short. 34 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: And when they removed that ordnance, boy it started dooming. 35 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 3: And now it's just an amazing downtown area. The whole 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: city is popping. You should come. 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we went to I had my brother's bachelor party there. 38 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: We went to a hotel lobby that was actually great. 39 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: I think it was the proper hotel. 40 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's two blocks for me, it's amazing. 41 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 42 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: So you live right there. 43 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 44 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 45 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: We actually looked at that hotel as a potential wedding 46 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: venue when we first started. Oh look, we didn't go 47 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: see it, but when we were doing some research, we 48 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: thought it was really pretty. 49 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Austin is super fun. We get a lot of 50 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 3: people for bachelorette and bachelor parties and weekends. And I 51 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 3: was on a plane yesterday with a group of guys 52 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: who just got back. They just went down and ate 53 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: barbecue and that was their their weekend was just finding 54 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: all these great barbecue places. 55 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have a favorite barbecue place in Austin? 56 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: They actually mentioned a couple of them that I haven't been. 57 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: But my favorite is actually in a gas station. It's 58 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: called Rudy's Barbecue off of three sixty. They have several 59 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 3: across the state of Texas, but that one in particular, 60 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 3: there's something extra special going on in there's smokehouse, so 61 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but it suits me nice. 62 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: I went to I think it's called La Barbecue or 63 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: La Barbesae. That was a good spot. Katie. And do 64 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: you know Katie and Zach They live in Austin. 65 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: I have not met them yet. I look forward to it. 66 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure you are. 67 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: Kathy. 68 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have you met Kathy? 69 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: Remember, I'm just I'm just out. No, I haven't been. 70 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 3: I've been kind of sequestered from the world until this 71 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: last week. So give me a minute, all right, give 72 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: me a minute. I'll track them down quickly. 73 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, you should hang out with Kathy. 74 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: She's she's a good time. 75 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a good crew down in Austin. I 76 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: have to make my way down there at some point. 77 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: I've never been and I've always wanted to check it out. 78 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: So me really will treat it. 79 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: We'll treat a great great hospital. 80 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: Brought you to Austin because you've only been there for 81 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 2: thirty years, So where did you no thirties one time? 82 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: I just mean like you didn't. You didn't You were 83 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: born and raised. 84 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: Thirty longer than you've been alone. 85 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 3: So it's a fair question. It's a fair question. 86 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: I've been there for thirty years. 87 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: I've moved to Austin to marry a man back in 88 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: the day. Yeah, I met him. I was living in Dallas, 89 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: living a great life. In Dallas, you talk about a 90 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: fun city for a single person, and especially back in 91 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: the day. But I met a man who was living 92 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: in Austin and we decided to get engaged and had 93 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: to pick where we moved, and Austin was it. I 94 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: hadn't looked back. It's been a fun place. 95 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: Did you watch the Dallas Cowboys documentary by any chance? 96 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: I haven't. I haven't. And SMU has a new documentary 97 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: that I need to see as well about the death penalty, 98 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: which I lived through when I was cheeringder. Yeah, listen, 99 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 3: I've got to catch up on a lot of things. 100 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to watch The Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader Series two, 101 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: America's Yes, I Love for Sure and. 102 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: The Secret Life Mos. Okay, let's get into this. So 103 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: before we get into a FI and everything, let's go 104 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: back to Antigua. Where is Antigua? 105 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: By the way, Antiga is into British West Indies. I 106 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: don't know this because I had my phone with me, 107 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: because you know they take our phones, but it's into 108 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: British British West Indies, and I've been to islands that 109 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: are about one hundred miles away, but it's a special 110 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: island if you haven't been on your short list. It 111 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: was amazing. 112 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: A girlfriend I just saw this morning for coffee. She 113 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: actually Bree Springs, who was also on The Bachelor. She 114 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: was just there on a trip and she said it 115 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: was exquisite, like so beautiful, something that somewhere I've never 116 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: thought about going, but I really want to check out. 117 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: So the sand is like walking on a temper pedic Mattress. 118 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 119 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so you get the Antigua, it's Antiga, Antiga. You 120 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: get the Antigua. It should be called Antigua, by the way. 121 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: Pitch it. 122 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: Tell the name Sydney. 123 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful. You know you're you're one of two 124 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: women left. What is going through your mind when you 125 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: first get there? 126 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: Uh? I was what was going through my mind. I 127 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: got to go back to that moment. Get off the plane, 128 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: You're in this beautiful city. I walked throught me tell 129 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: you what happened. I walked through customs and they handed 130 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: my passport and he's like, you're single. I go yeah, 131 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: he goes, well, maybe you'll meet your husband on the island. 132 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: No way. 133 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: Did you feel like that was a sign? 134 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: I did? I really did know, because that's what I 135 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 3: was thinking. Right here, I am We're going to discover 136 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: some more things about each other, move this relationship down 137 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: the road, and wow, this is incredible. I actually found 138 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: a guy, as crazy as it sounds on National TV, 139 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 3: and we're going to make this work. That's what I 140 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: was thinking. 141 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: Were you at all hesitant going into Antiga because you 142 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: were worrying Melvin? Maybe wasn't there yet. No, Okay, I. 143 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: Know, and after we know the ending of the show, 144 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: it's hard to remember, so I've got to put myself 145 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 3: back into that timeline. But at that moment, I believed 146 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: that he was putting one foot in front of the 147 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: other two. 148 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 2: Was any part of you at that point thinking about 149 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: his connection with Peg or the fact that there was 150 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 2: someone else there? 151 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: Honestly, I wasn't. It's kind of a remarkable to think 152 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 3: based upon how I responded after the pool party, But 153 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: having Kathy and Susan come for the pajama party that 154 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: night was very helpful. Kathy said to me, you just 155 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: got to pay attention to your own relationship with him. 156 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: This is an unusual situation. Can you imagine in my 157 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: real life going to an island with a man who 158 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: was there with two women. That's just not going to happen. 159 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: Not going to happen. So suspend reality and play your game, 160 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: just like, be in your own mind, be in your 161 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: own relationship with mel and don't let what else is 162 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: happening when his relationship with other people interfere. And that 163 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: was such great advice at the perfect time, and I 164 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: curried it with me the rest of the episodes. 165 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so interesting because we have seen the 166 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: way you were responding and feeling in the beginning of 167 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: the season every season, right, and it's just such a 168 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: normal way to feel. But rare is it that someone 169 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: kind of switches that mentality and is able to compartmentalize 170 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: the relationship. And I feel like you really did that 171 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: around that time where you stopped worrying about the other women, 172 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: or at least that's what it looked like as a viewer. 173 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: You really kind of locked in on just you and 174 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: Mel's relationship. 175 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Now let me go back 176 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: a little bit further, just give you a little tidbit 177 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: of insight the whole first episode when I said I'm 178 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: falling in love, what ended up on the editing floor 179 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: is But there's a lot of types of love. This 180 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: feels like puppy love, you know, those little puppies. You 181 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: just want to be around them all the time. They're 182 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: so cute, and you know, Mel can walk in and 183 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: Wagsdale and I'm right there. But early on I did 184 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: have strong feelings for him and was wondering how he 185 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: was doing with the other women. And after that conversation 186 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: with Kathy. It was. It was pretty clear that if 187 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: I was going to survive in my head and not 188 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: eat myself up, that I had to change a mindset. 189 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 3: Great advice. 190 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Is MELI your typical type of men? 191 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: There are a lot of things about Mel that I've 192 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: been looking for, So I don't think I have a 193 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: typical My daughter's kind of alluded this to this. At 194 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 3: the hometowns, I've dated a lot of great men. I've 195 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: dated a lot of handsome men, a lot of smart men, 196 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: a lot of wealthy men, a lot of athletic men. 197 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: What I like about Mel is different than what people 198 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: might have seen on his initial resume, so to speak. 199 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: You know, he's a professional athlete, professional football player. So 200 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: to the rest of the world that might mean glamour 201 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: and fame and money. To me, I'm a Division one 202 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: athlete myself, and I know the dedication it takes to 203 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: graduate from a school like Michigan playing football at the 204 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: level that he did, and then go on to play 205 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: for the pros for a single team, and then to 206 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: turn and become an attorney. So the characteristics that I 207 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: was reading from his resume, if you look at Mel, 208 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: were things that were a little different I looked at 209 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 3: his dedication. I looked at how curious he must see 210 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: life to make a change. I look at how one 211 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: of the things that I projected onto him that may 212 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: or may not be true, is how he was able 213 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: to make big, bold changes in his life going from 214 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: the NFL to becoming an attorney. And I love in 215 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: my life those moments at which I've just said, forget 216 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: what the world thinks, what do you want to do? 217 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: And shake it up. So Meil is my type for 218 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: those reasons, but not for the reasons that you would 219 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 3: automatically see. 220 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: Got it. What sport did you play? 221 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: Doesn't make questions. I was on the palm team and 222 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: then I cheered, so both were letters. And so sadly 223 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: all those athletes are really you know, the football players 224 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: and basketball players who probably put in more hours. I 225 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: have better statistical credentials at the school because I got 226 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: two letters and they only got one. But nonetheless, I mean, 227 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: we've practiced, We've practiced a lot, We traveled with the team, 228 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: we had our own competitions, and it was it was 229 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 3: a lot of work, and I loved every minute. Best 230 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: seats in the house. 231 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: If you ask me, what did you do what do 232 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: you do now. 233 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: I'm retired, retired. 234 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: Last October prior to be retired. 235 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: So I'll give you a whole history. So I graduated 236 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 3: with a degree in biomedical engineering, and I started selling semiconductors, 237 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: moved to La lived in LA for a very brief 238 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: period of time, missed, then moved back to Texas that 239 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: I missed the medical part of what I was doing, 240 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: and I sold diagnostic imaging equipment think mri CT scanners, 241 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: et cetera. And then I got married and we started 242 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: to have a family. So I got promoted with Sarah, 243 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 3: Emily and Caroline, and I was blessed to stay home 244 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: for twenty years with those babies and had a great time. 245 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: That's the best job I've ever had. Then I came 246 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: back to work when I found out, you know, I 247 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: was not going to remain married, and so there are 248 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: a lot of things that I had to put back 249 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: into place in my life. And I accidentally got a 250 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 3: job selling in the facial aesthetics market, which is highly coveted. 251 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: Every woman thinks that's the most clamorous. I like it 252 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 3: because it's where all the science is, and so I've 253 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: been I've been doing that for a while and decided 254 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 3: to retire. We'll see what happens. 255 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: Amazing. 256 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: You have a favorite daughter, Joe, I do. 257 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: It's Sarah, Emily and Caroline. And it's funny because I'll 258 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: tell people this, you know, like tonight I'll be with Caroline. 259 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: I'll say this is my favorite daughter. They'll all roll 260 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: their eyes. It's just kind of a family joke that 261 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: probably every family has. 262 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: That's so funny. 263 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: But we say, we say, what's your favorite colors? Because 264 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: colors is my last name. 265 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: Oh oh, I didn't know that that's your last name. 266 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: You asked me during the show what his favorite colors? 267 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 3: He would say Cindy. Now I'm not so sure. I 268 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 3: think he's going to have to say peg as you 269 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: should as you should. 270 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: As Yes, that's very funny. 271 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: So going into the Stingray date overall, just going into 272 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: the day in general, what do you what is the goal? 273 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: What do you want to get out of. 274 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: Mel I think I said it on the show that 275 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: you know I wanted. I wanted to see if he 276 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 3: had started making plans in his mind for me and 277 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: for us. I also wanted to have a little fun. 278 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: It had been several days since I'd seen him you know, 279 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: I just wanted to go back to some of the 280 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: playful part of our relationship that you know, just I 281 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: don't want to get that heavy all the time. So 282 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: I wanted to see us play and I wanted to 283 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 3: find out if he had begun to think about what 284 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: life might look like with me. 285 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: Was that playfulness between you two there most of the 286 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: season because we don't you know, we only we only 287 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: get to see so much, and I don't really think 288 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: as viewers for the most part, we didn't really see 289 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: like the fun mel, which I believe he is because 290 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: we've had him on this podcast and he is a 291 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: lot more. He has a much bigger personality than the show. 292 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: I think let On. 293 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: I would agree with that for sure. Yes, it was 294 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: like just a horseback riding for example, first, just even 295 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: him getting on the horse, and he's self deprecating and 296 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: he's also very supportive, and he was so fun to 297 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: watch him literally coach his horse up that mountain, up 298 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: that trail and kind of be in a moment. And 299 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: the couches that we sat on outside the observatory were 300 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: so low that he looked at the producer and said, 301 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: tell me what you need to get from us, because 302 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: once I go down, I'm not getting back up again, 303 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 3: you know, because it was just a lower couch for him, 304 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: A tall guy. Yeah, he's very playful, and I thought 305 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: it was interesting that he wanted to see me outside 306 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: of my comfort zone and we go swim with sting rays. 307 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: He's definitely not interested in doing that. 308 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us about that activity. We see you kind 309 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: of dive in. He's more hesitant, and it feels like 310 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: you kind of coaxed him to come and try it. 311 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: I was a little surprised by how timid he was, 312 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: because on the boat, he's like, wow, those are those 313 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: are big, like they're prehistoric monsters. I thought they would 314 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: be smaller, but that's an observation. I didn't realize that. 315 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: He just did not want to interact with them. So 316 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: we got into the pool and he wouldn't leave the 317 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: ladder area and I couldn't stay in the ladder area 318 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: because I'm underwater. Literally, I would be up to my 319 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: eyeballs on my tippy toes. So I had to I 320 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: had to go in. I had to go out a 321 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: little bit further to where the handlers had disting rays 322 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: and they were all starting the usting rays just you know, 323 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: it's feeding time. They all know to come out and 324 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: to swim around. So and I had done it before 325 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: and it was new for mel So yeah, I look 326 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: back and he's not following me. Check it like we 327 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: do in here. You cut me? Should I come back? Yeah? 328 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: So you go to the ninth portion of your date, Well, 329 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: a wait, before we go to the night portion, how 330 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: does the sting ray date end? Like where are you 331 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: guys before we even get to the night portion at 332 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: the end of that Stingray date, like. 333 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: Emotionally, yeah, yeah, how are you feeling? Okay? So there 334 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: was a moment at the end of the date where 335 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: we are he's having to hold me and it's just 336 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: easier so I don't have to tread water and you 337 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: can't kick the sting ray so if I had to 338 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: go to him. So he's holding me, we're kissing and 339 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: we're snuggling and we have a moment and I said, 340 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: I just want you to know this is real for me, 341 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: like I have real feelings for you. This is not 342 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: for show. This is truly how I'm feeling. And I 343 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: think you're a great guy and I could see a 344 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: life together and I don't need it tomorrow, but I 345 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: could start seeing it and I'm kind of surprised myself, 346 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: and he at that moment says, this is just really 347 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: fast for him. And I got back on the boat 348 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: and I thought, have I been misreading this? You know, 349 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: I kind of thought this is the direction we were going. 350 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: And you know, he had talked early on about, you know, 351 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: wanting to go to Austin to see my kids, and 352 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 3: he met my kids, and I don't. I just I 353 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 3: was just a little confused getting back on the boat, 354 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 3: but also wanting to still continue to have a good time. 355 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 3: But listen, I I could have a good time and 356 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: not put myself out there as the way I did 357 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: on this show to come home with a boyfriend. You know, 358 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 3: I could stay in Austin and go have a boyfriend. 359 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: Well, I also get how that that would be kind 360 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: of jarring to where it's like you have this nice 361 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: little moment and then it's like that that's tough, and 362 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: like I understand, Like you know, I've I get where 363 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: Mel's coming from with like with a lot of the 364 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: but you know, in the same breath, this is kind 365 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: of what you signed up for. Like it is like 366 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: the show produces engagements so like, there has to be 367 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: a part of you that needs to be willing to 368 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: take that leap of faith, even though if you're not 369 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: that person. If you commit to the show, you are 370 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: kind of committing to taking that risk. And I feel 371 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: like he I don't think he was able to do that. 372 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 3: Once he's but he's allowed to. He's allowed to have 373 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 3: his own views and to be hesitant at that moment too. 374 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 3: I recognize that Mel. I've been dating, you know, I've 375 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 3: had lots of experiences. And Mel told me on at 376 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: the Limo night that he was using this experience to 377 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: kind of the date to look at a different and 378 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: a lot of different type of women, to kind of 379 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: try on a bunch of shoes, to use a Cinderella analogy, 380 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: I guess. But he was using this process to do 381 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 3: something that I had already done in real life. So 382 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: it's fair for him to get to this point and 383 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: to say, Wow, I hadn't even thought about finding a girlfriend. 384 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: It's a little much for me to think about finding 385 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 3: a fiance, right, So I get it. I guess that's 386 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 3: a great point. 387 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that. Like if you're in 388 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: your shoes thinking like, well, I've tried on all these 389 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: different men, and I've figured out kind of exactly what 390 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: I'm looking for, So like when I find that person, 391 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: I know, like, hey, I'm ready to commit. Whereas Mel, 392 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: he did say on the podcast, I think as well, 393 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: like he hasn't been dating, like this is his time 394 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: to date. So then to jump from like I just 395 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: started dating to I fail my wife has got to 396 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: feel like a huge leap for him. 397 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 3: I think about that. I agree. 398 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: Do you think, Cindy it would be different if Mel 399 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: had done the experience the way you guys did, where 400 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: if he was a contestant vying for the Bachelorette and 401 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: then became the lead because he technically never did the show. 402 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 3: I just got goosebumps everywhere. That's such a good question. 403 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: That's a really good question. 404 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: A lot of them, you know, Yeah, that's a really good. 405 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: Way because you know, I thought about like production wise, 406 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 3: you know, would he have been a little less reticent 407 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: in front of the camera if he had gone through 408 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 3: it as a contestant. But I think you're right. I 409 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 3: think that's a really good point that he may have 410 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 3: emotionally been more open to it and more more vulnerable 411 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: to it having gone through as a contestant. But very 412 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 3: good question, and yeah, I agree. 413 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were wondering as well about he seems to 414 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: have this strong feeling of like you're in the game, 415 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: you finish the game. If you're in the game, you 416 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: finish the game. And I think that is such a 417 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: lead focused mentality because their game goes from night one 418 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: all the way to the very end. 419 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: Finish. 420 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: They have to finish. They don't have a choice, like 421 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: their game is. They walk into night one knowing that 422 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 2: they have a job to do till the very end, 423 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: whereas the contestants, you're kind of like, I don't know 424 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: my game's gonna end, Like my game is up to you, 425 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 2: or like I say, I think I have everything I 426 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: need to know I'm leaving. There's no certainty of like 427 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: start to finish. 428 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 3: Also very good point. But if he is going to 429 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 3: require people to be in it to the end, he'd 430 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: better keep his eye on the ball. I think he 431 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: took his eye off of their relationships. And I can't 432 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: really put my finger on what really happened. I think 433 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: it like it just kind of got too too real 434 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 3: for him, and I felt him pulling away, And maybe 435 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: it was that it was Peg all along, but I 436 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 3: could tell you it was. If it was Peg, he 437 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 3: wouldn't have been kissing me like he did in the water. 438 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: So I just think that maybe he just lost track 439 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 3: of the ball and was looking at the timeline to 440 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 3: your point, Serena, that he's looking at completing all those steps, 441 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 3: but he forgot to carry the ball with him in 442 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: those steps, and he wasn't really progressing in a relationship 443 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 3: with me or you know, trying to figure out like 444 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: what life would look like with me? What how you know? 445 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 3: What is really what struck me? And I haven't really 446 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 3: brought this out anywhere yet, but we were in my 447 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 3: in my condo for hometowns and he's shaking a cosmo 448 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: for me. I may cry this, It's. 449 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: Okay, it's really emotional, like you're doing a lot of reflection. 450 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. So on our one on one day, 451 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 3: he said that he had a special cosmo that he liked, 452 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 3: and cosmos were like one of my top drinks, and 453 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 3: so he had the ingredients set to my condo and 454 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 3: he's shaking me this condo. It's literally the shakers spilling everywhere, 455 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 3: and I don't care. I'm just watching this amazing man 456 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: in my place, and I thought, wow, I could this 457 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 3: is what I want to be doing on Tuesday, you know, 458 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: on the everyday. Yeah. And I think Mel was just 459 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 3: going through to process part of it and maybe took 460 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 3: us off the ball and stopped thinking about what Tuesdays 461 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 3: might be. 462 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. 463 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: And that's so hard to have that visual of knowing 464 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 2: what you could have in front of your face and 465 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: then having it taken away from you. 466 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 467 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: Well, now you could go out and have Cosmos on Tuesday, 468 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: you know, I bet, I bet somebody's got a happy 469 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: hour in Austin. You can go have a good time 470 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 1: and have a have a Cosmo at the bar, at 471 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: the proper. That's where you should go. 472 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 3: I go, I go out all the time. Don't you worry? 473 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: Don't you worry? 474 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's let's go. So now we enter the 475 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: night portion of the date. And now it's all making 476 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: sense into like kind of why you went in there 477 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: somewhat hesitant and questioning him more and kind of just 478 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: like walk us through that moment. 479 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: I needed answers you to going to the fantasy suite 480 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 3: for me, And I love the idea of going off camera, 481 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 3: no MIC's and having that time, and Mel and I 482 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 3: had already had some conversations that we were both like, okay, 483 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: those are We're gonna talk about this when there are 484 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: no cameras around, because we don't want to share this 485 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: with the world. But going to the fantasy suite also 486 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: from a from my perspective, maybe I'm old fashioned, but 487 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: even if nothing happens in the fantasy suite, you're gonna 488 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: have to answer questions to that the rest of your life. 489 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 3: Speaking of bars, I came home from LA and I 490 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: go to the bar, meeting a friend there and a 491 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: man comes up to me, A very hot man comes 492 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 3: up to me and says, I saw you on the show. 493 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 3: I recognize you. I loved watching you, and I'm going 494 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: to buy you a drink because you didn't go to 495 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: the fantasy suite. Oh, it's from a guy's perspective, that's awesome. 496 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: And so I knew that if he was not going 497 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: to commit in the end, I'm not here for a boyfriend. 498 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 3: I'm just not. I'm simply not and I don't want 499 00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 3: to continue to put my life on pause. Were the 500 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 3: hope of a boyfriend, it just wasn't enough for me, 501 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: And I knew that Mel was worthy of more. He's 502 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: he definitely had, you know, my attention and my interest, 503 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 3: and if I didn't have it for him, that's fine. 504 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 3: But I just you know, I didn't need to go 505 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 3: to fantasy suite, so I needed some answers in order 506 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 3: to accept the card, and I honestly didn't want to 507 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,239 Speaker 3: embarrass him if he gave me the card and then 508 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 3: I said no, So yeah, that's where I was. 509 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 1: Anything that's honest as I could be in LA Did 510 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: you go to his fantasy suite? 511 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 3: This was an auto and my answer is no to that, 512 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: do you go to his sweet I'm dead? 513 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: So when you're going into that conversation, obviously you did 514 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: not get the answers that you were hoping for or 515 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: looking for in order to continue the process with Mel. 516 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: What could have Mel said or done in that conversation 517 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: that would have made you feel comfortable to continue forward. 518 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 3: I did not expect him to make a commitment to me, 519 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: or to pick me over Peg, or even to say 520 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 3: it's going to be you in the end. But I 521 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 3: feel like a man in this position, if you're going 522 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: to spend this amount of time, you're down to two women, 523 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: and if you haven't started to think about how your 524 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: life is going to integrate. And PEG and I are 525 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 3: completely different women too. So if you're thinking about if 526 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 3: I'm Meil and I'm thinking about my life and I 527 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: haven't thought about my life with Cindy and how that 528 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 3: might be, how that might work for him, how that 529 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: might be different for him, what the challenges might be, 530 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 3: what questions he might have for me about those challenges. 531 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: If he's not on that level and he's not really 532 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 3: in the same place that I am, and you know 533 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: clearly we're so far away from an engagement if he's 534 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 3: not there. 535 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, did any part of you wonder if he, in 536 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: that moment had already made his decision and was feeling 537 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: like you know, I already know it's Peg. 538 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 3: No interesting now. I mean, if if it was PEG 539 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 3: all along, he wouldn't have behaved with me the way 540 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 3: he did. Yeah, Yeah, trolls me on the dock. And 541 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 3: you know, if you if you know you're going to 542 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 3: be with someone else, you refrained from those things. I mean, 543 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 3: you have niceties and you're gracious, but I think a 544 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: man or a woman, if you already made your mind up, 545 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: you behave differently. You're not continuing to kiss and hold 546 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 3: and hug and have those those intimate moments if you've 547 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 3: already made your decision up. 548 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like the word that's been used 549 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: a lot with malice, he has a lot of integrity. 550 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 2: It would surprise me if he would keep you if 551 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 2: he had known it with someone else, like if he 552 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: was like, I'm one hundred percent sure it's Peg. I 553 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 2: assume that he would likely be upfront with that with you. 554 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 3: And I knew that if I asked him questions, like 555 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 3: you know, I'd gone too the fantasy suite and asked 556 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 3: him what happened with Peg, he would be honest with me. 557 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: He was. 558 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 3: He really was very upfront with me, and I felt 559 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: I could I felt I could trust him for sure. 560 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, he strikes me as an honest, like blunt person 561 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: like he wouldn't. I don't think he's the type of 562 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: guy that would just like lead you on no or. 563 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: Like sugar cuts something to make you feel better. 564 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: All right. I think this is a good place to 565 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: take a break with Cindy and we will be back 566 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: for part two. 567 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening. We will have a new 568 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: and assisive interviews every single week. Stay tuned for Part 569 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 2: two with Cindy Bye,