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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where it really didn't pay off

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Speaker 1: to be a Baker Mayfield doubter for all those years.

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Speaker 2: Like I've given up, it's over.

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Speaker 1: We have one of the best rivalries in the league. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rostal. We're in the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you listen to part one of this week's preview

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Speaker 1: the AFC, but we're here in the NFC and it

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Speaker 1: includes a matchup Eagles Bucks, which there's a lot to

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Speaker 1: get to in this one. That includes one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite rivalries in the NFL, and that's Todd Bowles versus

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. It really has been kind of a through

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Speaker 1: line over the last four years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just sending human bodies flying at Jalen Hurts has

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Speaker 3: been successful for Todd Bowles. And it was actually an

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Speaker 3: interesting discussion on Fantasy Love today because our producer Alex

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Speaker 3: Wilk is a big Rams fan. Randomly, the December eighth

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Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield Thursday Night Football game came up. He said

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Speaker 3: that was one of the best ten games in the

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Speaker 3: Sean McVay era, which caused me to lose my mind.

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Speaker 3: And it's been an argument all day. But yeah, randomly.

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Speaker 1: Why because the rest of the game until that final

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Speaker 1: drive was kind of boring? Or why or there's just

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Speaker 1: been so many good moments. Why did it make you

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Speaker 1: so mad?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's been so many great rams moments in

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Speaker 3: the Sean McVay era that the seventeen point performance on

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Speaker 3: Thursday Night Football, when Baker Mayfield did what Josh Dobbs

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Speaker 3: did twice with two different teams. Wow, somehow becomes the

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Speaker 3: thing that we remember.

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Speaker 2: Who knows who would guess that he'd be the hater?

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I bet Eagles fans really love

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Speaker 4: right now that we're talking about Sean McVay. Yes, in

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Speaker 4: the middle of the Eagles Bucks blot.

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Speaker 3: The Eagles pulled that off, and they bring all of

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Speaker 3: that those positive vibes greg into this game three and

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Speaker 3: a half point favorites against Let's be honest, if hurt

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Speaker 3: Tampa Bay Buccaneers team that is very fortunate to be

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Speaker 3: at three and zero forty nine and a half is

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Speaker 3: the over under Kevin Burkhart, Tom Brady and Aaron Andrews

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Speaker 3: on the call. Do they pull this off?

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Speaker 1: I would doubt it, But doubting the Bucks has not

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Speaker 1: been profitable, it's not been the way to get your

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Speaker 1: picks right. The injury situations, I think we should just

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Speaker 1: like go over going into the weeks because it is

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Speaker 1: so crucial for both of these teams. First, let's start

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Speaker 1: with the surprising news, which is that Nolan Smith, the

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Speaker 1: Eagles edge, is going on injured reserve. That came out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere, at least as far as I know, and

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Speaker 1: I think they've been a little short on their edge

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Speaker 1: pass rushing this season. Even last week against the Rams

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Speaker 1: it wasn't great, So like that hurts. We mentioned Mike

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Speaker 1: Evans is going to be out for three or four weeks.

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Speaker 1: Chris Godwin was seen at practice. You know, even if

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Speaker 1: he did return, try to imagine, you know, him having

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Speaker 1: a massive impact right away. But he might be back,

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Speaker 1: and Tristan Wurs might be back. It's too early in

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Speaker 4: They're so injured. And that's why I've park been so

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Speaker 4: impressed with what the Bucks have sort of willed themselves

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Speaker 4: to do. I don't know if it works out for

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Speaker 4: them this week. I think the Eagles are just this

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Speaker 4: like avalanche that just smothers people once they actually put

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Speaker 4: start situations, and they just are are this like monolithic

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Speaker 4: presence to me of how they're built in the way

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Speaker 4: that they can overwhelm you at almost every single position

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Speaker 4: on the field. But you guys know this, I love

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Speaker 4: the Bucks. I've had so much fun watching the Bucks

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Speaker 4: for a couple of years now, but really these last

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Speaker 4: Ibuka has looked amazing, second of all, and he got baded,

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Speaker 4: and he's been banged up too. I mean, he's I

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Speaker 4: would not call him fully healthy right now, even despite

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Speaker 4: the fact that he's been producing. You know, I love

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Speaker 4: their run game. I love their run defense, which right

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Speaker 4: now is number one in the NFL right now best

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Speaker 4: defensive success rate against the run. Right now, they're they're

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Speaker 4: allowing just three point six yards per carry. That it's

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Speaker 4: really cool coming into a Saquon Barkley Jalen Hurts game.

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Speaker 4: I think this is going to be a battle. I

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Speaker 4: But I don't know that the Bucks are healthy enough

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Speaker 3: And considering their health. I was shocked to find out

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Speaker 3: there's actually two teams that have blitzed more defensive backs

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Speaker 3: I think they have to, and I think that changes

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Speaker 3: the script a little bit for Philadelphia because in all

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Speaker 3: that postgame just euphoria where both Jalen Hurts and AJ

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Speaker 3: don't know if this is the opportunity to start off

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Speaker 3: Bucks are going to be blitzing and I think are

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Speaker 1: But knowing going into the game that a mismatch is

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Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley versus you know, a defense, and that the

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Speaker 1: and I think it's gotten lost in the predictable Kevin

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Speaker 1: Patulo and AJ Brown situation, Like they're not a good

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Speaker 1: we think Saquon Barkley. You know, we've talked about it

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Speaker 1: a lot on these previews. It is suddenly a bad

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Speaker 1: It does sound like Lane Johnson will probably be back

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Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, yeah, but even that I don't think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we're for those watching on YouTube. As

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Speaker 3: soon as you were having this discussion, there is a

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Speaker 3: nowhere to go. Like the string of this unit isn't

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Speaker 1: It's below average success, right, and yeah, going up against

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Speaker 1: that Bucks team mute, which surprisingly solid.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, surprisingly so. I mean I know, like when I

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Speaker 4: think of Todd Bowles defense, he's had good run defenses.

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Speaker 4: Like every every once in a while he'll pop out

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Speaker 4: with like this insane run defense.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, some of the best run defenses in the

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Speaker 2: And as a coach.

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Speaker 4: But when I think of him and how he's adjusted

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Speaker 4: who sends the gnarly blitzes at you right and and

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Speaker 4: but but this Todd Bowles team, this defense where you know,

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Speaker 4: they had so many issues last year with injuries on

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Speaker 4: there just should not have been holes that they are

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Speaker 4: playing physically fundamentally sound. I wouldn't say that this is

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Speaker 4: they're playing smart, they're playing physically, and it starts up

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Speaker 1: These first three weeks, there's only one Vita Vea, And

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Speaker 1: I think people have slept like the ya Ya Dabi

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Speaker 1: breakout has been quiet because it's just been like a

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Speaker 1: slow improvement.

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Speaker 4: He just won't get that reference.

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Speaker 2: What is it.

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Speaker 4: From Secrets of the Yaya Sisterhood?

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Speaker 3: I thought you were referencing the Beyonce song.

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Speaker 4: Oh, also a great reference that makes more sense.

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Speaker 1: Either one works. He look, he he's turned into a guy.

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Speaker 4: That I'm younger than both of you guys.

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Speaker 2: Consistently gets pressure.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would, yeah, ya, you know that's you're

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Speaker 1: not hitting the right demo there. I thought the sequel

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Speaker 1: was better Sister Pants too. You're looking at me like

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Speaker 2: It was great.

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Speaker 1: So this is a sequel to a lot of these.

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Speaker 1: This is like this Hurts versus Bulls matchups.

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Speaker 3: Second half of a trilogy where you know the I

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Speaker 3: think of the Sister Pants. You know, we saw with

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Speaker 3: Kellen Moore coming in and the adjustments to pressure kind

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Speaker 3: of being solved, and I think other than like Chared

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Speaker 3: Verse blasting Jalen Hurts the extents where I was concerned

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Speaker 4: With Lane Johnson not in at the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where the Eagles dealing of pressure, Like, is we

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Speaker 3: really get to see this is our first chance to see,

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Speaker 3: like posts Kellen Moore, if the plan, if the pressure

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Speaker 3: the other side, Vic Fangio. We've seen Quinyon move around

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Speaker 3: But they're saying free money elsewhere in the secondary where

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Speaker 3: it wasn't like that in previous.

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Speaker 1: No question, And like I do think this is just

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Speaker 1: a team coming together. It's amazing that they figured out

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Speaker 1: last week rather, I do think it is a matchup problem.

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Speaker 1: So because I was so confident thinking about this game,

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Speaker 1: like of course the Eagles are going like it really,

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Speaker 1: like Todd Bowles really is a problem for Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: the one game that they won, which everyone then was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe they really did solve it, Like he threw a

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Speaker 1: defensive game. Last year, their worst game of the season,

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Speaker 1: a negative like it was a negative games they got

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Speaker 1: blasted by the Bucks. He has been blitzed on forty

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Speaker 1: six point seven percent of the snaps against Todd Bowles.

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Speaker 1: He's been better hurts this year, like when he's not blitzed,

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Speaker 1: just like normal. It's kind of back to normal and

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Speaker 1: he's going to have to put on his big sister

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Speaker 1: pants and get it going in this game, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Jordan's just laughing at me. Well, well, I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: They've never really solved it is my final answer.

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Speaker 3: Do the pants still travel? In the second movie?

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Speaker 1: I never saw it, but I think it was just

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Speaker 1: kind of mocked that it even had a sequel. It's

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Speaker 1: just like one of those movies that gets used as

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Speaker 1: a punchline, which I think is frankly unfair and sexist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is definitely.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about our society schedule. Luck.

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Speaker 1: By the way, for the Eagles, I mean they keep

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Speaker 1: they're getting the bucks at the right time. If you're

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Speaker 1: going to play the Bucks, I think it's right now

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Speaker 3: Oh the big climatization. Look at this game. I'm looking

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Speaker 4: This might be the game of the week.

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Speaker 3: Three and a half points the over unders forty nine

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Speaker 4: It's wild to me that this might be the game

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Speaker 4: They have a big weak spot at cornerback at Kella

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Speaker 1: Ball out And lou Ana Rumo would hear that and

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Speaker 4: That's a great point too, because the Rams went from

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Speaker 1: You know, this might be the right week where you're

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Speaker 3: Alec Pierce the best field stretcher in the NFL. And

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Speaker 1: I felt like we need We haven't had any kickoff

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Speaker 1: taka on our shows now. Shout out to Jason Kleman,

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Speaker 1: who has texted me all about the kickoffs last Sunday

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Speaker 1: while it was working.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. It's time for the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota.

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Speaker 3: Let's go places Sunday Night Football. The Green Bay Packers

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Speaker 3: favored by seven in a revenge game, the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: playing host of them. Forty seven and a half is

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Speaker 3: the over under. It's Sunday Night Football, So it's Mike,

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Speaker 3: Chris collins Worth, Melissa Stark, coach Dungee, Mike Turrico, I mean,

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Speaker 3: excuse me, Michael Florio, the other one, Chris Sims, the

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Speaker 3: whole NBC crew as Jordan, the Dallas Cowboys have a

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Speaker 3: need at Edge Rusher. They do, and he's playing against

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Speaker 3: them on Sunday night.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the game that all of us had circled on

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Speaker 4: our calendars the second that Jerry Jones made that trade

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Speaker 4: to the Green Bay Packers. Micah Parsons the revenge game.

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Speaker 4: It's finally here. But don't call it a revenge game

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Speaker 4: because he still really cares about a lot of people

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Speaker 4: in that building. But it's a revenge game. Do you

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Speaker 4: like my Greg impression? Oh?

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Speaker 2: That was I thought you were just excited.

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Speaker 4: I am excited.

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Speaker 2: I like the enthusiasm.

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Speaker 4: I like when you do Greg voice.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not intentional. I feel like we needed

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Speaker 1: this game. We need it's almost too soon. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: like it's such a We need the Cowboys to be

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Speaker 1: in better shape, We need ce D Lamb to be

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Speaker 1: playing in this game.

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Speaker 2: All all we need.

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Speaker 4: Is Jerry Jones sitting up in the owner's box looking on.

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Speaker 4: I need a million shots cutting to him, and I

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Speaker 4: need Micah Parsons to do exactly what he's been doing

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Speaker 4: for these last couple of weeks, which is a rank

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Speaker 4: what fifth in the NFL and pressures right now despite

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Speaker 4: playing twenty fewer snaps than others even around him in

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Speaker 4: that area of pressure. And you know, cut to Jerry.

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Speaker 3: You know, well, we've already had Jerry come out and

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Speaker 3: say and hopefully nobody in the media production unit at

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Speaker 3: the Star was working on a Michael try video because

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Speaker 3: Jerry has said they're not going to play it.

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Speaker 4: Don't put on the internet that. I'm mad if.

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Speaker 3: There is one. And Coach Schttenheimer doing what he's done

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Speaker 3: all off season is to answer questions about Michael Parsons think.

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Speaker 5: At the end of the day, our guys all know

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Speaker 5: Micah and again I hope because they know him. But

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Speaker 5: guess what he knows us and he knows you know,

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Speaker 5: he knows the way they said. So, look, Mike is

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Speaker 5: a great player. Mike is gonna make plays. I just

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Speaker 5: put that out there, like, Mike is gonna make plays.

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Speaker 5: Does he get a sack good?

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Speaker 3: I hope not. He might it's pretty good.

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Speaker 4: He's just so chill.

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Speaker 1: Parson said, it's going to be painful to sack Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott if that I believe him. There were some whispers about,

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Speaker 1: you know, where the two leaders of the Cowboys like

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Speaker 1: always on the same page. Where was Dak like standing

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Speaker 1: up to try to keep Micah and not that that's

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Speaker 1: his role, not that it made any impact whatsoever. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's just depressing. And I saw some Packers fan

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Speaker 1: be frustrated last week after that game, like, oh, we

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Speaker 1: need more production, like Michael Parsons making a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: It's like he won his matchups so quickly, so often.

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Speaker 1: They were winning up front. They played outstanding defensively against

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Speaker 1: the Browns who just had that five yard touchdown drive

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Speaker 1: or else none of it would have mattered.

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Speaker 2: And the only reason that they didn't.

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Speaker 1: Rack up sacks is because Joe Flacco did a great

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Speaker 1: job just getting rid of the ball when he had

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Speaker 1: no chance.

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Speaker 2: Because he's a veteran quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Dak Prescott will be like Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 1: He will hang in there and he will try to

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Speaker 1: make plays because he wants to. He wants to win

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Speaker 1: this game obviously, and he knows the only chance that

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Speaker 1: he has is to hang in there. Yeah, and just

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Speaker 1: hope that his guys like George Pickens can step up

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Speaker 1: and get open their offense. Like it's a good offense

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Speaker 1: and it's a borderline great running team.

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Speaker 4: It is a great running team. Right now, they're number

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Speaker 4: one and rushing success right through the first three weeks.

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Speaker 4: It's it's incredible and number seven in rushing EPA, and

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Speaker 4: that's an EPA that subtracts any scrambles by the quarterback

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Speaker 4: or designed runs by the quarterback. So it's super impressive

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Speaker 4: what Brian Schottenheimer and Clayton Adams and Javonte Williams are

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Speaker 4: doing over there. However, we did lose a Tyler, Folks.

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Speaker 4: We lost to Tyler. Tyler Booker headed to injured reserve,

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Speaker 4: probably ankle injury, and there's no CD. So I really think.

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Speaker 2: Cooper bebe which I think is a huge one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think they're, like we've talked so much

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Speaker 4: on this show about opening scripts and game plans and

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Speaker 4: showing coaches who love to show their personality. In this case,

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Speaker 4: I also think owners who like to show their personality

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Speaker 4: through what the team tries to go out and do.

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Speaker 4: So I yes, I definitely think the Cowboys are going

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Speaker 4: to try to run the crap out of the ball.

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Speaker 4: And I think they're going to try to prove Jerry

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Speaker 4: Wright in the sense of Micah Parson's run defense. By

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Speaker 4: the way, he's a great run defender, So good luck

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Speaker 4: with that, and I think that's what you're going to

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Speaker 4: see very early on. That is in fairness, that is

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys key strength right now is the way they're

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Speaker 4: running the ball.

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Speaker 3: Being able to run the ball and also having a

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Speaker 3: quarterback that that does have all the answers. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: those answers are a whole lot easier when eighty eight

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Speaker 3: is out there. Now you need, like you need Jalen

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Speaker 3: Tolbert to get wins against Keshawn Nixon, who's had a

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Speaker 3: great season in the Packers secondary. The Packers defense did

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Speaker 3: everything they possibly could last week short of like a

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Speaker 3: handful of plays to get a win that was honestly

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Speaker 3: pretty fluky for the Cleveland Browns, And so it's it's

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Speaker 3: a lot on deck. But you know, at this point

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Speaker 3: in his career, you believe that that he can do that.

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Speaker 3: But it's just you added in this.

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Speaker 4: And also even before CD Lamb being out, the Green

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Speaker 4: Bay's limiting explosive plays both run and pass better than

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Speaker 4: any other team in the league right now, and they're

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Speaker 4: number one in scoring and they're number two in defensive

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Speaker 4: EPA for drug, this is a badass defense and it

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Speaker 4: would have been such a good matchup. And you said

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Speaker 4: at the beginning, fans are complaining, like you've seen people

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Speaker 4: complaining that annoys me. Just after this is one of

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Speaker 4: the best defenses in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Right now, everyone was frustrated. I heard like a radio

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Speaker 1: call like people were really mad. They were much more

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Speaker 1: mad about Jordan Love and Matt Lafleur, like people calling

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Speaker 1: for Matt Leflour's head. It's just they were so mad

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Speaker 1: about that loss. They just like believe they eat the cheese.

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Speaker 1: Pun intended that, like, you can't lose a game like

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Speaker 1: the Browns, that there must be some crime against humanity.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Browns have one of the best

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Speaker 1: defense in the league too. It happens the more interesting.

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Speaker 4: Everyone gets schwartzed from time to time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like the Cowboys defense at this point is

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Speaker 1: just so bereft of hope and talent and answers that like,

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Speaker 1: can they solve the Packers run offense, by the way,

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Speaker 1: because the Packers offensive line was embarrassed last week. Now

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Speaker 1: they're almost as banged up as the Cowboys. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if they get their starters back this week. But they

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Speaker 1: lost that Tommy and Aaron Banks during the game last

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Speaker 1: week they were completely dominated by Cleveland. That's why they

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Speaker 1: couldn't throw the ball and they haven't run the ball

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Speaker 1: all three weeks. So the Cowboys have solved what ales

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Speaker 1: basically every offense that they've faced so far. Can they

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Speaker 1: do that again for the Packers and have the Packers

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Speaker 1: cover this seven points? I tend to think yes, and

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Speaker 1: that's why it's another good survivor option.

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Speaker 2: By the way, pretty.

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Speaker 4: Good sister three A side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we' have to text Steve about that one. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna I'm going to lobby for height for my very

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Speaker 3: safe pick.

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Speaker 1: It's Steve's not here right now. You know, we're just

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Speaker 1: making decisions. Let's take a quick break. We're going to

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Speaker 3: Jordan does Jackson dart solve all of the issue we

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Speaker 4: Wow, what a big task for Jackson dart It's interesting.

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Speaker 4: So this was the right move at any point in

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Speaker 4: the season. I think there was some debate over do

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Speaker 4: you do it now against one of the better defenses,

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Speaker 4: if not the best defense in the NFL right now,

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Speaker 4: in the Los Angeles Chargers. Really, the hinge point for

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Speaker 4: this to me was a if there was enough of

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Speaker 4: a bad Russell Wilson performance and be Andrew Thomas coming back.

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Speaker 4: Having Andrew Thomas back is such a significant boost for

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Speaker 4: the Giants. I still think this is an incredibly challenging

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Speaker 4: outing because I think, and I am not afraid to

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Speaker 4: say it. I'm a little afraid to say it, but

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Speaker 4: I think the Chargers are the best team in football

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I would be afraid of pound ever.

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Speaker 4: For pound for pound, every single phase, offense, defense, special teams,

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Speaker 4: when you combine all of the collective together, to me,

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Speaker 4: that they are dominating teams, you're not necessarily if you

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Speaker 4: watch the games, if you're not necessarily seeing it in

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Speaker 4: terms of scoring points, and you're seeing a lot of

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Speaker 4: yards put up, and it's a very Harbaugh you feeling

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Speaker 4: where it's like sometimes it feels kind of slow and churning,

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Speaker 4: but it's all of it is there, and this defense

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Speaker 4: is exciting even with Khalil mac Gunn. The way that

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Speaker 4: Jesse Minter is designing pressure and the way that he

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Speaker 4: is deploying his coverages is special, and I think that

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Speaker 4: this is going to be more of a back to

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Speaker 4: front defensive challenge for Jackson Dart than it is a

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Speaker 4: front to back defensive challenge.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because if ever there was a game Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson would be more useful for, it might be against

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Speaker 1: the Chargers, who, you know, the reputation as mintor keeps

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Speaker 1: a lid on those big plays. But this year, actually

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of open receivers down their field.

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Speaker 1: There's been plays to be had. Bo Nick's missed them,

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00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes missed them. They didn't really get to them

651
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: in that Raiders game. And I do worry, first of all,

652
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: I always worry as a quasi Chargers fan when things

653
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: are going too well that things are gonna suddenly not.

654
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: They almost charged in back to back games and they

655
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 4: didn't charge it.

656
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: No, they did the opposite where they they played their

657
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: best much. It is kind of amazing, and I think

658
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: they'll win this game. But that that's a lot of

659
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: it's it's difficult to know what to expect that of

660
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. But on the other side, you know, for

661
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: the first time this year, last week, I thought, man,

662
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: they missed for Sean Slater because the right side of

663
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: that offensive line was getting caved in over and over.

664
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Speaker 1: Joe All and like Zion Johnson maybe had one bad

665
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: play each or whatever, like they were fine, but the

666
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: other side was getting worked over pretty good. And now

667
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: you go against a Giants defensive line that that could

668
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: create problems. And the Chargers have not been a good

669
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: running team this year overall. They got a little better

670
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: last week, but that hasn't been consistent.

671
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Speaker 4: So I see, I kind of feeling vibe, see the vision.

672
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: Kind I'm feeling the vibes on the Giants side for

673
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: this this week with Jackson Dart just making this a

674
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: fun game. It is amazing how inserting Jackson Dart into

675
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: this game makes it one of the games of the

676
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: week to me.

677
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely ups the the interest and I am

678
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: on board as being skeptical that Jackson Dart is going

679
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: to solve all the franchise problems that they've had over

680
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: the last few years, but it does bring back the

681
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: RPO that Brian Dable had so much success with with

682
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: Josh Allen and with us, like running these RPOs and

683
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: targeting in the middle of the field and Jamis eten

684
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: W's in the preseason and all that fun stuff that happened.

685
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: Like if you're watching on YouTube, we're looking back at

686
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: the pre season when the vibes were up, when everything

687
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: was good. Jordan was celebrating Brian day Ball smiling talking

688
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: about how nice for him, Jackson dart it things haven't

689
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: gone well. I think the idea that the Giant's front

690
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: can cause pressure, which he brings up Greg like it's

691
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: it's an idea that's there. I would like to see

692
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: it come to consistent fruition because the back end of

693
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: the defense has continued to be bad like they were

694
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: a season ago, and so you can run at him, yeah,

695
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: like justin Herbert, and these targets downfield have been great.

696
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: Like the six and a half feels very generous to

697
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: a quarterback making his first start in the NFL at

698
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: home against a very good team playing for a very

699
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: bad team.

700
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 4: And I'm willing to guess that a bad game from

701
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: one side of the offensive line is a little more

702
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: animolic than what we've seen in what we expect from

703
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 4: this Chargers group, especially with the amount of like massive humans,

704
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: they have to provide chipping help where it's needed. In

705
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 4: their fullbacks got Matt Locke and their tight ends. I

706
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: do think that that's a factor. I think that they

707
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 4: absolutely need to run the ball better. But you see

708
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 4: the vision as it's been so close to like breaking

709
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: through in these years with Harbat the helmet, and you've

710
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 4: got a quarterback in Justin Herbert playing at an MVP

711
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 4: clip right now, and that cannot be forgotten about it.

712
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 4: I know it certainly isn't here. But when you combine

713
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 4: that with the way that this defense helps out its offense,

714
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 4: there is this really interesting collaboration between the two. Even

715
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: without like I said, without Khalil Mack, the way that

716
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: Jesse Minter, especially on known passing downs and on late downs,

717
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 4: can design pressure. There's a really really cool pressure he run.

718
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 4: This was in a couple of weeks ago, and this

719
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 4: is before Khalil Mack got hurt in the Raiders game,

720
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 4: where basically they're sending two players at one lineman who

721
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 4: then commands the chipping help to come out kick out

722
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: to the outside to help, and then the rusher who's

723
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 4: going to actually go at the quarterback, slips inside, almost

724
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 4: like a pick play, but it's a pass rush and

725
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: has a clear line right to the quarterback, and he's

726
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: basically changing the math post snap. And that's what he

727
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: does again and again and again with this pressure. It's

728
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 4: why tu Le Tue Pilot two, who's tied for fifth

729
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 4: right now among all pass rushers with fifteen pressures, is

730
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: having so much success. Other than the fact that he's

731
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 4: a good player, they've gotten better on the interior. Tier

732
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: Tart makes plays. They've gotten bigger on the interior, and

733
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: they're bad ass in the secondary. And I just think

734
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 4: that with Derwin James and Diane Henley holding down the

735
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 4: middle of the field, they can do these cloudy zone

736
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: coverages that will really confuse a young quarterback.

737
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: That was one of the best games of Derwin James's career,

738
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: which is saying a lot. I've given like Fred Warner

739
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: as an early like just watchless defensive player of the

740
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: year guy like Derwin James this year, like he is

741
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: fully weaponized. This is as good a version of Derwin

742
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: James as we've ever seen, which is crazy because he's

743
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: had some really high high so You're right, like that's

744
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: all exciting and makes it hard to imagine. But I

745
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: do think the element of surprise. I do think there

746
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: are talented players, especially if Andrew Thomas is close to

747
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred percent, because he looked pretty good

748
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: in the snaps that he was out there last week.

749
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: There are talented players. Scataboo's giving them a little bit

750
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: of a jump. And I'm not sure about the offensive line.

751
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: I mean, they played two of the worst pass rushes

752
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: in the league the first two weeks, and the right

753
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: side like Trey Pimpkin Pipkins and who is at solid

754
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: like he was struggling last week. I do think it

755
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: was a little underrated how much of a factor it

756
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: might be long term that oh, we just popped a

757
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: rookie and like literally the first game of his career

758
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: and he's catching passes from Herbert on a game winning

759
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: drive against the Broncos and goes six for sixty five

760
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: and has totally great movement skills like Rondi Gatz and

761
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: could turn into like a pretty big part of this

762
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: team this season and be a great pick On the.

763
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 4: Giants side keeping We're keeping an eye on Elak Neighbors

764
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 4: who's banged up and he's limited in practice this week.

765
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 4: And that's where I question again, like Jackson, Dart will

766
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 4: probably target Cam Scataboo a lot, especially in the short

767
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 4: passing game and the quick throw out like passing game.

768
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: Who else If mc neighbor's not there, THEO Johnson has

769
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 4: some stuff to him but has not emerged consistently. They

770
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 4: need him, They need a tight end to emerge in

771
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 4: this offense for this offense to be what Brian Dable

772
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 4: wants it to be. I mean, it's just like I

773
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 4: think they're overmatched.

774
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the chargers of mental will get

775
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 3: to dictate what this game looks like because I'm expecting

776
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: a lot of RPO. It's where the Giants were successful

777
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: in the preseason, and I'm expecting the Giants defense to

778
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: give up a lot of points. Like honestly, like if

779
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: you go to Andrew Phillips, who you know gets a

780
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: lot of coverage, like his personal beef with Ceedee Lamb,

781
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: he's given up more yards than any other defender in

782
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: the slot.

783
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: Made a lot of plays though, yeah he's made.

784
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 3: He's made some plays more yards than any other defender

785
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: in the slot by two, Like double any other slot

786
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: receiver like target and then like there's fluky plays like

787
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: the catch from you know, the greatest receiver of all time.

788
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: Now I'm blanking on his name, the former Patriot from the.

789
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: Chiefs, Julian Edelman, Taekwon Thornton.

790
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Taekwon Thorton. Oh my gosh. Yeah, where he's like

791
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: catches the ball behind his back. It's fluky in that.

792
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 3: But but yeah, the Giants are bad and covered.

793
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: Let's move to another team.

794
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: Voice was yeah, no, Julian Edelman.

795
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: He knows how much I love Julian Edelman. Washington Commanders

796
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: one and a half point favorites, a little beat up

797
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 3: questions at quarterback and receiver taking on the Atlanta Falcons.

798
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: The over under is forty four and a half. Iron

799
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 3: Eagle JJ Watt Evan Washburn on the call. Can Atlanta

800
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: bounce back after one of the nastiest performances we've seen

801
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 3: all seasons?

802
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: Greg I tend to think the plexiglass principle applies in

803
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: the NFL in general, where if you have that bad

804
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: a performance, usually come out the next week and play

805
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: much better.

806
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: I don't know why that happens.

807
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the law of averages that teams aren't

808
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: going to play as bad as losing thirty to nothing

809
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: to the Panthers. They have issues. We've talked about the

810
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: coaching stuff already this week, but the fact that John

811
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: Robinson leads the team in receiving is a problem, and

812
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: that Drake London and Kyle Pitts are averaging under ten

813
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: yards per catch. There's just nothing downfield. It doesn't really

814
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: make any sense. A lot of their offense just doesn't

815
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: make sense. Remember we thought the whole Kirk Cousins thing

816
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: was like, man, they can't even do any play action

817
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: or run the offense they want because Kirk Cousins can't move.

818
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: They run the exact same offense. Now it's like completely disjointed.

819
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: If I didn't know any like too much. Like on paper,

820
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: it looks like one of the most confusing offenses like

821
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: in the league in terms.

822
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: That's what he said. That's what kirk Cousin said on quarterback,

823
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: and you could really see it. He had a lot

824
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: of trouble with some of the tags on the plays,

825
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 4: the motion tags and some of the alignment teg.

826
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: Also just they don't run play action. They should be

827
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: a play action They look like they should be a

828
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: play action team and they're not a play action team.

829
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: And Michael Pennox is great throwing it deep, and he

830
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: never throws it deep, so.

831
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Speaker 4: I agree with you. Maybe Zach Robinson will have a

832
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 4: better view of all of this now that he will

833
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 4: be coaching on the field versus up in the booth.

834
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 4: And part of that, in my opinion, is to actually

835
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 4: talk to your players and be able to hear them

836
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 4: talk back, which they famously cannot talk back to you

837
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: when they are when you are in the headset in

838
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: their ear. And hey, maybe it would be great to

839
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 4: hear some feedback in real time from the people who

840
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 4: are going out there and doing the things. TJ. Yates

841
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 4: over coaching receivers now, and I've heard good things about him,

842
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 4: and that's Raheem Morris making that decision in that move.

843
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 4: Raheem Morris being a former receivers coach himself, which a

844
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: lot of people forget because he's a defensive coach, but

845
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 4: he coached players like Julio Jones and knows kind of

846
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: what details he's looking for in that regard. We saw

847
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: this when he like go of Jimmy Lake after one

848
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 4: year last year, Raheem Morris is going to make a

849
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: quick decision if it's clear that that decision has to

850
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 4: be made for whatever. For whatever reason, they kind.

851
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: Of not that there's not a kind of Yeah, one

852
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: in three would feel dark right now for this Falcons

853
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: team good.

854
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 4: If you're a Rams fan. They're looking at that pick.

855
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: The injury for Terry McLaurin going to get a second opinion.

856
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: Initially thought it was a quad injury. It seems like

857
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: now they feel like it's higher up. There's concerns maybe

858
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: hernia core muscle related so getting checked there. That's scared.

859
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: But fortunately for them at this point as of Wednesday,

860
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: maybe Jayden Daniels is playing. They do have one of

861
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: the better backups in the NFL for talking about actual

862
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 3: quality backup. Yeah, Marcus Marod have played pretty good.

863
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 4: Did you hear that?

864
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: Versus Jake Brown and Marcus Moro played pretty well.

865
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: Revenge game last week. It is a revenge game. Yes,

866
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: there was a lot said about Marcus Mariota out of

867
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: Flowery Branch after his departure. If it is Marcus, watch out.

868
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Without Terry McLaurin long term, you're worried. Also, Bill was

869
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: out of practice on Wednesday, he did finish the game.

870
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: He's looked good, their running games looked good in general.

871
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: They went really heavy personnel against the Raiders, like three

872
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: tight ends on the field quite a bit and just

873
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: steamrolled them for a while. And this team looks a

874
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: little tougher this year. I don't know if it's because

875
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: of the teams they've played, but I do think the

876
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: Washington defense it has shown signs of being significantly improved.

877
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: Doran's armstrong is one of the league leaders in pressures.

878
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: They're getting it with like a lot of people. They

879
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: have seven or eight guys. It's not like a star

880
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: studded group, but they're playing pretty well up front. And

881
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: the Falcons offensive line on paper, maybe that's why they

882
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: don't call these deep shots and it's not, but then

883
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: you would think they would do play action. Is that

884
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: they don't believe in their offensive line right now Atlanta,

885
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: so that could be a mismatch for Washington.

886
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 4: Do you know what one of my favorite things is

887
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 4: is anytime, which is quite frequently, Bobby Wagner has a

888
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: good game, I look for an Ollie Connolly tweet of

889
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 4: a or post or email because I subscribe to his

890
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 4: substack the read optional. I look at that fantastic story

891
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 4: that he wrote about Bobby Wagner and all of the

892
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: really multifunctional things he can do and still is doing

893
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 4: in that defense, and it's really interesting because Frankie Luvu,

894
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 4: our guy NFL Daily, is one of our favorite players

895
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 4: last season, is picking up more attention now. Teams are

896
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: playing him a little.

897
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: Bit, a little quiet. Last week was better, but been

898
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: a little quiet.

899
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they asked him about it. He's like I expected it.

900
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 4: Teams are paying more attention, They're sending more at him.

901
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 3: Concerns in the Commander's secondary after some injuries last week

902
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: and Trey Tucker running down the field by himself, perhaps

903
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: a chance for the Falcons deep passing game to get

904
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: if they can protect Michael Pennis because he's one of

905
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: the worst quarterbacks in the league right now. When facing

906
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: pressure my right long enough, maybe they'll get it.

907
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: I believe. I believe.

908
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 4: I'm a Michael Fennix fan. I think he's got it.

909
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: The Jacksonville Jaguars got a win last week thanks to

910
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: some late pressure from Josh Hines Alan. They are taking

911
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: the trip all the way across the United States to

912
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: take on the San Francisco forty nine ers, who may

913
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: have their quarterback back. They are favored by three. The

914
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 3: over under is forty seven and a half Atamo, Mark

915
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: Sanchez Christina Pink on the call, Jordan, we saw the

916
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: Jags get back in the win column. Do they pose

917
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: a threat to the maybe Rock Perdy led San Francisco

918
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: forty nine ers.

919
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of something I've got my eye on

920
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 4: big time, not just as whether Brock Perdy will play

921
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 4: because he's working back into practice this week, kind of

922
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 4: as we record as we tape this. Ricky Piersoll, who

923
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 4: has very much emerged in this offense as the deep threat,

924
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 4: as the one type receiver, especially with Juwan Jennings beat up.

925
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 4: He's banged up. He's not practicing to start the week.

926
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 4: Juwan Jennings is still banged up as well. They might

927
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 4: get DeMarcus Robinson back, which I think is a huge

928
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: if Brock Purty is back, because DeMarcus Robinson, who has

929
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 4: been suspended for the last three games. He he and

930
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 4: Brock Purty connected frequently in training camp and reports at

931
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 4: a camp and also my own eyeballs because I was

932
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: there for a bit reverse Benjamin Buttoning like he's he

933
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: looks great. He looks awesome. So that's that's a huge

934
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: ad for the forty nine ers who are making a

935
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 4: lot with a very injury laden skill position group. Meanwhile,

936
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 4: on the other side, the Jacksonville Jaguars are still trying

937
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: to figure out who they have and what they have

938
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 4: and how to deploy them at receiver.

939
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they aren't really integrating Travis Hunter consistently into

940
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: the offense, and of course Liam Cohen is going to

941
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: be asked about.

942
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 7: We had a great talk with Trev after this past

943
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 7: game in terms of just man like, all right, how

944
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 7: can we help you and put you because he's guys, right,

945
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 7: what is he learning?

946
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: It's a lot.

947
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 7: So we've got to, I think, be a little bit

948
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 7: more diligent in terms of putting him in positions to

949
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 7: maybe not have to do as many moving parts so

950
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 7: that we can just let him go play.

951
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: I thought he played with more confidence last week. Granted

952
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: it was only one catch on offense, but it was

953
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: an awesome Yeah, it was an awesome play after the catch.

954
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: But I'm speaking more about what he's doing on defense. Yes,

955
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: they're locking him into a certain spot and I know,

956
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: like the coverage stats for PFF weren't great. He's in

957
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: zone coverage, and if you look at some of those plays,

958
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: like he's doing his responsibility and the other play call wins,

959
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: they're not getting pressure home. He actually had some incredible

960
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: reps against Nego Collins, and I've been all for doing both,

961
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: and I think he should continue to do both. But

962
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: if you told me they're already doing it, that it's

963
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: a little more focused on letting him play cornerback, that

964
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: that's his more primary position, and that he's playing a

965
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: little less at wide receiver, and that it's more targeted

966
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: reps specific to what he's doing at receiver, Like that

967
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: makes sense to me because I think he's hit the

968
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: ground running a little faster at cornerback.

969
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 4: Normally, I would go to NFL plus pro to watch

970
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: all of the isolated reps of him of Travis Hunter

971
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 4: playing corner because you can so filter that. But shout

972
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: out to Billy m I go way back. I go

973
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 4: way back with that guy from when I was covering

974
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: the Carolina Panthers, and he's always been great at posting

975
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 4: relevant and ball knowing football clips and he posted an

976
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: entire reel of every rep of Travis Hunter playing corner.

977
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 4: I think I saw it via John Shipley as well,

978
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 4: so double shout out there, and he played great. He

979
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 4: looked awesome to your point, Greg, he looked like one

980
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: of the better corners in the NFL, playing especially at

981
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 4: times against really tough matchups in Nico Collins. And yes,

982
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 4: I am factoring in the fact that zone defense is

983
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 4: a thing where yes, you're going to have some cushion

984
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: in front of you when you're playing zone defense. And

985
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 4: so I think it's an with the Jacksonville Jaguars because

986
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 4: I give them, I think a lot of grace. And

987
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: I think when you draft a player a unicorn of

988
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 4: a player like that, and he has so much potential,

989
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 4: and then you also have somebody like Brian Thomas Junior

990
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 4: who's so explosive. Okay, but you look at the rest

991
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 4: of this right, and I look at a team that

992
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 4: very much needed to rebuild massive portions of its identity,

993
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: of its offense. They went out and signed veteran free

994
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 4: agents with the idea of phasing a lot of those

995
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 4: players out as you continue to restock in the draft

996
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: with players that specifically fit what this head coach wants

997
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: to do. Now, one thing about Liam Cohen, and sometimes

998
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: it'll come off as anachronistic or antagonistic, even in I

999
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 4: don't know what the right word is. Antagonistic maybe is

1000
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 4: the right word in the press conference versus maybe what

1001
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 4: we see out of the player, Or it comes off

1002
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 4: as like, hey, I'm telling I'm talking to the player,

1003
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 4: or I told him this, or he didn't do this.

1004
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 4: But what it is is he has I think there's

1005
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 4: an arc that bends toward the match between player and scheme,

1006
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 4: and you're figuring out, as a head coach how far

1007
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: to bend that arc, and as a player, you're figuring

1008
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 4: out where you fit within the confines and structures of

1009
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 4: this offense. He's not going to be able to play

1010
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 4: the Chris Godwin Buccaneers where you have Chris Godwin who

1011
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 4: could play the f the Cooper Cup kind of role

1012
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 4: for you. It's not going to be the twenty eighteen

1013
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 4: Rams where you have Cooper Cup and Robert Woods doing

1014
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: all the things that Liam Cohen cut his teeth on

1015
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: doing and then deployed within that Tampa Bay Buccaneers offense

1016
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 4: when he was the offensive coordinator. It's just not going

1017
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 4: to be that. So right now, I give them all collectively,

1018
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 4: players and coaches a little bit of grace as they

1019
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 4: troubleshoot and figure out what is actually best for these players'

1020
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 4: skill sets. By the way, it's probably not going to

1021
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 4: be what I'm used to running as a coach, and

1022
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 4: that should be fine. You just got to figure that out.

1023
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, as much as Liam Cohen is talking about this

1024
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: being a learning process for Travis Hunter, it's definitely a

1025
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: learning process for a coaching staff that's trying to do

1026
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: something with a player that hasn't been done before and

1027
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: playing like equally, playing majority of the snaps on offense

1028
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 3: and defense last week, where this was the dream, like

1029
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: this this was it comes to fruition. Travis Hunter played

1030
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: a majority of the offensive snaps and majority of the

1031
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: defensive snaps, and the Jags won. Like that's that's what

1032
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: the hope was.

1033
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: So Like, I've been impressed by the Jags in general.

1034
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: I think they win this game. I know they're underdogs

1035
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: in this game. Forty nine Ers fans are probably feeling confident.

1036
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: Both these teams have run the ball inconsistently. Jaguars start

1037
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: out the season great. They just had a bad week,

1038
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: but they were playing in Houston in general, Christian McCaffrey

1039
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers have not run the ball.

1040
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: Well.

1041
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: We need a word for someone who was like an

1042
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: all time great who's not quite at the level that

1043
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: he used to be, but he's still at a very

1044
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: high level. Because that's where Christian McAffrey is right now.

1045
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: Shaq heat okay, heat shack, And you can win a

1046
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: championship that way. You can build an entire offense.

1047
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 4: You had that one ready to go.

1048
00:50:59,000 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

1049
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: You can build an offense that's for a three to

1050
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: oho team around that person.

1051
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: Like that's how good he still is.

1052
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: But they're not the same right now blocking for him,

1053
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: and he's not the same explosive. And yet I assume

1054
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: pearsall will be okay, but we'll see.

1055
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: Just look out if Rickie Pearson, considering the volume of

1056
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: targets that peer Fall's getting as well as the air yards,

1057
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: if he's.

1058
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: Not because he finished that game and like he's a

1059
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: guy who hasn't even needed to be that open to

1060
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: make big plays. But I'm really impressed with the Jaguars defense.

1061
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: We should move on, But man, Devin Lloyd and Josh

1062
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: Heines out like Josh Heinz Allen in two of the

1063
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 1: three games they've played this year, has been the best

1064
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: player on the field, and they've got They're getting development

1065
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: out of guys. Devin Lloyd is playing well, like they

1066
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: there's something to this team.

1067
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: I like him.

1068
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: I think they might knock off the forty nine ers

1069
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: this week.

1070
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: All Right, a team that was frisky and got a

1071
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: win at home last week is on the road task

1072
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: maybe a little tougher this time, or maybe not. The

1073
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns at the Detroit Lions were nine and a

1074
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: half point favorites coming off there, winning Baltimore the over

1075
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 3: unders forty four and a half. Kenny Albert, Jonathan Wilba,

1076
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: and Megan Olivy on the call and Greg, can the

1077
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 3: Browns do it again this week?

1078
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: This is a much tougher test for the Lions offense, Like, Yeah,

1079
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: it actually seems like an obvious point to make, but

1080
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: I think it is worth noting that. You know, they've

1081
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: they've played one I would say elite defense this year,

1082
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: and they obviously had a bad week one. They played

1083
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: two defenses that are struggling on balance, and they looked

1084
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: all the way back into being all the Lions, And

1085
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: I think that's closer to where they were. That's what

1086
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: good teams do. They beat up on bad defenses. And

1087
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: just the individual talent is overwhelming and the offensive line

1088
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: it looks so good, but this will be a much

1089
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: tougher test for that interior offensive line specifically, and whoever's

1090
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: got a you know, block Miles Garrett. Look, it's going

1091
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: to be a really fun matchup when the Lions have

1092
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: the ball.

1093
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it could be Pina Sul but Miles Garrett

1094
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 4: moves around and he does that like eurostep kind of

1095
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: move that he has that like.

1096
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 3: Shout off theyonik and gokway.

1097
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 4: It's just so cool that, I mean, he can move

1098
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 4: around what I do really like And I had hoped

1099
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 4: this happened because you heard whispers about him and his

1100
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 4: sort of alternate personality in college Tate Ratlige and I

1101
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 4: mean this in the most complimentary way possible is emerging

1102
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: as the true dirt bag offensive lineman that I hope

1103
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 4: he totally would become. And when you're playing with a

1104
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 4: Tea or you're playing against a Cleveland defense that is

1105
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 4: number two in stopping the runs in terms of success rate,

1106
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 4: you really need to push some bodies around. And I

1107
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 4: really was impressed with not just the synchronicity of the

1108
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 4: entire line, but that young Tate Ratledge is really emerging

1109
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 4: as this tough player that they need upfront to kind

1110
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 4: of give him some teeth against the defense.

1111
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: Like this, and they're not the Lions by any means,

1112
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: but the run game has been better with Quinn shod

1113
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: Judkins for the Browns. They ran the ball pretty effectively

1114
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: when they had a chance to.

1115
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 4: This is you, guys' training camp doesn't matter player proving

1116
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 4: the training camp is.

1117
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 3: I don't know that it proves it. It just it

1118
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 3: highlights the fact that players can be successful without going

1119
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 3: to training camp. He looks great.

1120
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Flacco right now. He got way

1121
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: too much heap for that game last week. Like it

1122
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: was similar to Jordan Love. He had no chance on

1123
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: so many of those plays. I actually thought he did

1124
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: a reasonable job just trying to avoid catastrophe plays. And

1125
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: he had the one interception, which was a fourth down

1126
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: play at the end of the half where essentially he

1127
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: was trying to get intercepted if they weren't going to

1128
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: hit the play because it just ended the half. Like

1129
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard. It's been a little under talked

1130
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: about on this show that they're both their tackles are injured.

1131
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: Dwan Jones is out for the season now Jack Conklin

1132
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: has been out. That wasn't a great position before, so

1133
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: you're going to their backups. Joe Botonio is really banged up.

1134
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: Like it's a lot to ask of Joe Flacco and

1135
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: this passing game. And so I think for this Lions defense,

1136
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: which is on the upswing, like it's obviously a great

1137
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: matchup for them.

1138
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: It's one of those situations where I mean styles make fights,

1139
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,479
Speaker 3: and we see that every single league, and the Lions

1140
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 3: were able to take advantage of an offense that loves

1141
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 3: to hit home runs and and Lamar was going to

1142
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 3: try to wait and make plays. Uh, And the Lions

1143
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 3: weren't scared. They they didn't like fall over their shoes

1144
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: thinking Lamar was going to do a whole bunch on

1145
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 3: Monday night. And now you have to completely check it

1146
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 3: down and play a completely different game against Joe Flacco, who,

1147
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 3: like you pointed out, what is he even trying to

1148
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: get in the batter's bock some of those reps against

1149
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers And.

1150
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: If he has a chance he'll he'll throw that ball downfield,

1151
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: but the stars the line just right, if the if

1152
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: the pressure is coming, Yeah, he's just getting rid of

1153
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: that ball.

1154
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 3: And so I you know, I'd be willing to offer

1155
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 3: this one.

1156
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: Up as interesting if we would like to know do

1157
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: we make a final decision with Steve Weisch? Did I

1158
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: miss that we I feel like we've been here for

1159
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: an entire weekend.

1160
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: The Bills are one option.

1161
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: Certainly, the Texans were another option. The Lions are an option,

1162
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: but I don't like it. I think the I think

1163
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: the Browns are too good. I actually think this could

1164
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: be not a letdown game. But you're coming back short

1165
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: week for the Lions. I'm just saying, so we Buffalo

1166
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: is a very good team. Yes, and we would like

1167
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: to have the option of using the Buffalo Bills later

1168
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: this year. And I understand that you got to keep

1169
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: it going though, but you have to survive. Yeah, let's

1170
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: go Bills. Then what do you think Bills?

1171
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 3: Okay?

1172
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 4: That was my pick?

1173
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry Lions.

1174
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: Also, before we go, everyone's been asking me, you know,

1175
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: when am I going to make my apology?

1176
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding. No one No one asks things like that.

1177
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: About Mason Graham, I'm gonna get in a lot of heat.

1178
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: M Daniel Jeremiah sending me texts. Oh, expect to see

1179
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: a barrage of mentions I have, I have. Mason Graham

1180
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: played great last week? You know how else played great?

1181
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: Every single defensive line in on the Cleveland Browns.

1182
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: I am.

1183
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: I am not moving off my spot. He's just part

1184
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: of a good group. For what it's worth. Of the

1185
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 1: nine defensive lineman you know that played on the Cleveland

1186
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: Browns last week, pff atam no nine defensive players. I

1187
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: think in the front seven he was ninth. He was

1188
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: fifth out of the defensive line everyone ate last week

1189
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: and they're playing a bunch of backups in new spots

1190
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: against the Packers. That was small of me, but like

1191
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: my guy Aiden hunting in from two lane, playing both sides.

1192
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: Of the ball.

1193
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: He had a sack, and like everyone is, Elie Collins

1194
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: looked like the best player in the league.

1195
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: Right, we gotta go.

1196
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: We will be back in this feed on Thursday night

1197
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: and it'll be the two of you, So I'm looking

1198
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: forward to listening to that. After that, you're gonna hear

1199
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: some small shows from me from Dublin we're going to

1200
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: do our picks. We're getting Cynthia Freeland's picks, but we're

1201
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: gonna involve the Ringer Fantasy Show guys, Danny Hifitz, Danny Kelly,

1202
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: Craig Horrorback. They're going to be making some picks with

1203
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: me too. We have Michael McQuaid from over in Dublin,

1204
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: the Irish NFL show. Really excited for all of it.

1205
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: And by the way, I mentioned on the first show

1206
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: that I had done a podcast over in Ireland. That's

1207
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Colm Kelly and Ot Ireland. I want to give all

1208
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: the pop to all the people. Thank you for playing that.

1209
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: I gotta go catch a bird.

1210
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 4: You and Daniel Joy Doublin.

1211
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: We will see you on the other side. But before that,

1212
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be some Thursday night football.

1213
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: See then,