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Speaker 1: I'm from playing at Troy. There was only one guy

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Speaker 2: Yes, and now it's on television, damn. And so guess what.

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Speaker 1: Charles Haley comes in and you know these crazy Charles

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Speaker 2: I said that Charles.

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Speaker 1: I just start to see people like scattering. He comes

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Speaker 3: What's up everybody on Peanuts woman? And this is the

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Speaker 3: NFL Player's Second Acts podcast and with me as always

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Speaker 3: as my trusty co host, Roman Miami Vice.

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Speaker 2: Horrible. There we go. I was wondering what I was

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I actually tried, you know, so thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm really excited for our next guest right here. Continue

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Speaker 3: to celebrate Super Bowl sixty right here in San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: And we ran into this guy at another time in

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Speaker 3: We we should not be happy about that. Go well,

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Speaker 3: it did not go well.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that, okay, all right, we'll talk about

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Speaker 3: welcome to the pod. DeMarcus, what happened? Yes, that's a

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Speaker 3: long ass resume, dude, God dang.

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Speaker 1: Listen, man, I just put my head down at the

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Speaker 2: Building, shout out to Alabama. He's born in Auburn, Alabamaama.

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Speaker 3: Brother, so I Marcus brother. Yeah, like they went to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he went to Troy, so being there and saw

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Speaker 1: Greg Gillis, he said, keep your head on the swoove

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Speaker 3: What about you guys, was that your first time ever

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Speaker 1: I just I got to strap up.

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Speaker 3: So that's why you get the boiling bike. You can't

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Speaker 2: Got and we'll be right back. Why did you wear

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Speaker 1: Number ninety four? I wore number ninety four. I was

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Speaker 2: Did they tell him that? Oh? It was on the interview.

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Speaker 1: He said, I'm a teacher. I'll teach you how to

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Speaker 3: They were I don't even know how you get dogs

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Speaker 3: He was just like, oh, yeah, we finna eat today,

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Speaker 1: regular rush, I would say, hey, you three, just push

437
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 1: the pocket and then I'll be the spy guy rushed

438
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: up the field and then't gonna make the play or

439
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,239
Speaker 1: he gonna come straight to y'all. I'm gonna flush him

440
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: to y'all.

441
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: True team defense. Was there a quarterback that you hated

442
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: to play against? Oh, Philip Rivers? Why it took me

443
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: twelve years to get a sack? On twelve years?

444
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: He knew exactly because I said it in the interview

445
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: one time that man I have I haven't sacked any

446
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: other quarterback than Philip Rivers. So even when I did

447
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: maybe hit him and get us, he would throw it

448
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: for an intention of rounding like d way, you'll never

449
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: get a sack.

450
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: He would take the penalty. So I would.

451
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about pissed every single time I got back there,

452
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: no matter who, if it was Big dun Lap or

453
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: anybody else that they had in there, didn't matter.

454
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 2: The last game of my career.

455
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: Not last couple almost next to the last game, we're

456
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: playing against the Chargers. Philip Rivers a quarterback, this would

457
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: be like my it, I gotta get this sack. I

458
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: end up being the quarter being the tackle. He falls

459
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: down on the ground, and the only thing you know

460
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: you need to do is just go and touch them,

461
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: and that's your sack, so I just went and touched him.

462
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: He said, you finally got your sack, right? Do you

463
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: know how pissed.

464
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: I Wasn't it? How could I wanted to hit him? Yeah?

465
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 1: But I said, you know what, okay, all right, but

466
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: that he talked so much trash and it's like.

467
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: It's his.

468
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: Boom, like you score a touchdown and like like bump me.

469
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, and I never got that sack to

470
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: just let just the dump like the dump on more

471
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: to say like I'm here, you know what I'm saying.

472
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: So, uh, yeah, it was Philip Rivers.

473
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: There is a video of Philip Rivers when he like,

474
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: I think there was a D line and he helped

475
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: him over something like that and they're walking back and

476
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, you like that, don't you? And

477
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: the D line was like seriously, bro, like I just

478
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 3: helped you up off the floor and you gonna throw

479
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 3: it in my face because I just scored a touchdown

480
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 3: and he was like, yep, I am.

481
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: I was. Yeah. He was like, did you ever sacked

482
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers?

483
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 3: I never sacked him. I don't even think I even

484
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 3: on him.

485
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: No, you know, yeah, that that was a guy that

486
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: I did not, and I always wanted to, Like, I

487
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: gotta make sure I get pressured.

488
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 2: Into interesting picks. I wouldn't have picked it. Loved Mike Vick.

489
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: He going against Philip Rivers, not against that. I would

490
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 3: have thought that around out completely. I thought, I really

491
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: thought it would have been the other way around. But

492
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: I remember remorse if I didn't ask you this, because

493
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, the Saints were thirteen to

494
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: h to Marcus where I have no idea, breaks his

495
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: back or something on a Sunday and then comes back

496
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: like Lazarus on a Thursday night, without even practicing all week,

497
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: comes out there and pretty much wins the game for

498
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 3: them again. And so what happened tell me that week,

499
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: because all week on the injury report, you were back

500
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: out all right, comes back on a Thursday night, Yeah,

501
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 3: and upsets a New Orleans Saints team that was thirteen

502
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: to know at the time, trying to remain undefeated.

503
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: For yeah.

504
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: No, I we were playing against the Chargers Philip Rivers,

505
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: all right. I come around the corner, Anthony Spencer's right there.

506
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: I try to dodge them, bam, get hitting the head.

507
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: I just remember laying there on the ground and Marcus

508
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: spears over top of me and said do you wear move?

509
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: Bro?

510
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: And I was sitting there like this and I didn't

511
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: know what was going on. He said, bro, and he like,

512
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: brab me move and I was like, I am sitting there,

513
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: laying on the ground like, and all of a sudden,

514
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: I just saw, like you know, everybody like corral over

515
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: me and I just I was getting strapped up and

516
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: it's really I really didn't understand what was going on,

517
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: but I know that when when we see that stretcher,

518
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: something's really something's happening. And I saw them cut my

519
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: shoulder pads and jersey off. I'm like, what is going on?

520
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 2: Said God? Like, what's going on there?

521
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: And they took my they strapped my helmet down and

522
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: took my face mask off. I wasn't moving for like

523
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: two or three minutes, and so I'm sitting there looking

524
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: at my hands and I thought they were moving, but

525
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: they weren't. And all of a sudden, I get on

526
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: the the the ambulance and I felt everything.

527
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 2: They had me strapped down.

528
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, let me out, and they let me

529
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: out and make it a long story short, end up

530
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: passing all the tests that night. And I'm just sitting

531
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: in the house and I go back and watch the take.

532
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna watch the take. I was sitting

533
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: there paralyzed on the field. I got a call from

534
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: Michael Irving because it happened to him. He was like, Bro,

535
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: you don't have to go back out there anymore. You're good,

536
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: de I don't have to go back out there. So

537
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: I'm that's in my mind as I'm going through this

538
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: whole deal.

539
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

540
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: So they said, just come by the facility. I come

541
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: by the facility now the first day, right after it,

542
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: and you see everybody in the locker room looking at

543
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: me like like a ghost, looking like what what happened?

544
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: They thought you weren't moving on the field. Bro, don't

545
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: worry about it. We got we got this week. I'm like,

546
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: all right, I go through the whole week and going

547
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: through I mean, I'm doing exercises, all this stuff just

548
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: to try to get some type of confidence. And I'm like,

549
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna play ever again. Yeah, think

550
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: about not playing this game, play ever again. And the

551
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: only stadium in the NFL. You know that you got

552
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: to walk from the end all the way across the field.

553
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: It's the Saints.

554
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: And so as I'm walking across the field, I'm just

555
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: looking around and I'm like, I got like my my

556
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: suit on. I'm not thinking I'm going to play. And

557
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: I walked into the locker room and I saw my

558
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: jersey with my shoulder pass up in there in my locker.

559
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: I just sat down and I looked at the team.

560
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: It was Jason Whitten, you know, growing on all of them,

561
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: and they were like, I know we're gonna lose.

562
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: Like I know, y'all were thirty.

563
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: There was no way, there is no way the way

564
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: that they were playing. If you don't get any pressure

565
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: in two seconds on Drew Brees, he's going to crush you.

566
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: And I went back, said Jason, Gary, let me play

567
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: on third down. He looks at me, So, are you

568
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: kidding me? You haven't practiced all week. They're just third down.

569
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: They'd be like six or seven plays. I said, I

570
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: just want to just be out there. May put the

571
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: shoulder pass on at night the guys and just you know,

572
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: just and it'll probably get him riled up. And he

573
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I put my shoulder pass and

574
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: stuff on. I'm trembling I'm talking about like, oh, no,

575
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: d I said, you know what, Deon Anderson, No, Don Anderson,

576
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: the fullback we had, crazy Dion Anderson. I said, let

577
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: me just go get maybe a couple of head butts

578
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: and just say he's pitbull. I go out there and

579
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all the guys.

580
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: Are like, what he's dressed.

581
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna, you know, play

582
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: around a little bit. And I hit Deon Anderson a

583
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: couple of times and I'm like, I don't know about that.

584
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: And so the first player I went out there was

585
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: like third and twelve. I'm like, I know they're going

586
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: to pass the football. No, they did not pass the football.

587
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: Block down, I see the tight end coming.

588
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: Bam. I woke up.

589
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: That man woke up in that incredible hope that I

590
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: usually say when I was slamming that slamming the quarterbacks

591
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: in the ground. He woke up and they were like,

592
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: d war no, I'm staying I'm playing. Like seriously, he said,

593
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm playing that. It was like that that somebody hit me.

594
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: I think I got blew up on that.

595
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: Play too, so that it was our own fault. It

596
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: was your fault.

597
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: I think the arrogance running at me, and he ran

598
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: right at me. And from that play on, I said,

599
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill him, like I when I'm out there,

600
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm baptizing people when I'm out there, like seriously, when

601
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: I was out there playing, I want to run through

602
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: your heart every single play, and I'm gonna make you

603
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: submit to me, like seriously, That's how I wanted that

604
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: those offensive tackles to feel. And from that point, I said,

605
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm out here and I was just going off and

606
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: that was like that said, Yeah, that was like my

607
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: wake up moment.

608
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: When I was out there, I was like, I mean,

609
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: I just wanted to know personally, so.

610
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: Out there that's what happened. It was also still want

611
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: the super Bowl.

612
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: Makes for fun, but I mean it was a great

613
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: Lazarus move. Like we literally talked about that in the

614
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: locker room for like a whole because, like, dude, he

615
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: didn't even he was on, he was injured, he was out.

616
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: I was not coming to play. He was out. I

617
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: was not coming to play aid and won the game

618
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: for so we'll be right back after a quick break.

619
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: So I want to talk about transitioning away from the game.

620
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: How was that for you when you stepped away.

621
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: It was probably one of the hardest things for me

622
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: because I did it on my own wheel. It wasn't

623
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: like okay, well then there was a whole bunch of injuries.

624
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: I did have a lot of injuries my last year

625
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: of my career, but I rehabilitated myself to I'm like, oh,

626
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: I know, I got two more Like I'm good. But

627
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: it was hard for me because I had to give

628
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 1: up something that I really enjoyed because I wanted to

629
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: and I needed to, not because I had to. And

630
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: during that time it was a day that I was

631
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: after I had seven surgeries and one year broke my arm,

632
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: two back surgeries, two neckt surgeries. It was like d like,

633
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: what are you doing?

634
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: Bro?

635
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: And then I get well for the off season. I

636
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: get a deal from the Rams and then like you

637
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: can come here and play two more years. We got

638
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: a guy named Aaron Donald Whitworth is going to be

639
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. You're going to be the defense on defense,

640
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: not coordinator but captains. And I was like, all right,

641
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I get on the plane. I started hurting a little

642
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: bit and I was like, God, you're telling me some

643
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nah, we officing go get this bag.

644
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: That's what I'm about to do now. He said, you're

645
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: tired of going to sleep. It's like, what are you

646
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: tired of going to sleep? Every time you go to sleep,

647
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: a lot of demonic things happen when you go to sleep,

648
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: Like seriously, and I'm sitting there, like, what is going

649
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: on here? He said, if you stop playing football, I'll

650
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: hear you. And this was when I couldn't like really

651
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: even walk my last season, and I had all those injuries.

652
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: And as soon as I said I'm going to retire, seriously,

653
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: all my pain went away. All my pain went away.

654
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: I can jump, I can run, I can do all

655
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: the I mean this stuff, just like I can go

656
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: out and I mean, it's just an amazing thing. Talking

657
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: about that transition, it was a hard transition because as

658
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: as an athlete, you think that it's going to last forever.

659
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: You go through college, you graduate or not graduate. You're

660
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: in business, but not knowing how to sit down at

661
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: a disk as you know, you guys are saying you're here,

662
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: we don't sit. Yeah, We're used to going and going

663
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: after it. So it takes a little time to transition

664
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: to be patient, to be quiet, to be able to

665
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: sit and muddle over your thoughts instead of using your

666
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: body to be an outlet. So you can't use your

667
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: body as an outlet anymore. And I was like, how

668
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: do you wake this thing up? We've done it but

669
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: in a different way, and that was a hard transition

670
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: for me of how do you wake this up even

671
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: more to now do something that you know God wants

672
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: you to do.

673
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: Was it helpful documenting some of that in the documentary

674
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: that you were part of.

675
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was.

676
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: Very very helpful with when you When I started writing

677
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the things down, I can go back.

678
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: I was able to go back to see, oh, this

679
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: is where you started at. This is how you transition

680
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: through it. Because it's a cycle. You cycle and that

681
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: feeling comes back. But you're like, wait a minute, already

682
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: beat you. I already beat this feeling of anger. Already

683
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: beat this feeling of depression. I already beat this feeling

684
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: of you know what I need to be like till

685
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: I need to be like harp mm hmmm. He the

686
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: God didn't make any of us to be the same

687
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: like somebody else's comparison game, right, we want I want

688
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: you for you to be I want for you to

689
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: be different, but can you actually own your space where

690
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: you are now to go to go and do something.

691
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: And you guys have done that, which is amazing, trailblazing,

692
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: y'all have done it.

693
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: But it was hard, right, I.

694
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: Mean, transitioning from the NFL to to now, Like, did

695
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: you guys, like have any transitional things that you you

696
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: guys went through?

697
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah for me absolutely.

698
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 3: I think for me it was difficult because I didn't

699
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: walk out or I didn't retire on my terms. As

700
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: I forget one other one of our other guests, he said, oh,

701
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: I didn't retire when football football retired me. I think

702
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: it would have been a smoother transition for easier if

703
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: I could just woke home like, you know, one, I

704
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: think I'm good. I don't need this anymore. I'm good,

705
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: I'm done. So yeah, yeah, for me, I kind of

706
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: had reached that point. I was able to be like,

707
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: you know, I was ready to be done after ten,

708
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: but we lost the super Bow to you guys. So

709
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: you know, the same guy that you was talking about

710
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: earlier was like, now, I think you still need to

711
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: go out there.

712
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: So that's what happened.

713
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 3: So I went back out there again for another year

714
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 3: because I didn't want that to be my last experience

715
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: of what this great game of given to me since

716
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: I was a little kid, you know. And so I

717
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: played again and then I was really like, I'm like,

718
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: I don't really need this, I don't really care. And

719
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: so after that, you know, I brag about it because

720
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: I took three undred and sixty five days, did absolutely

721
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 3: nothing right, really kind of decompress, see who I am

722
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: outside of a helmet. Yes, And you know, I've seen

723
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: you kind of go through that, you know. I know,

724
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: Randy's my girl, you know, and so we've known her

725
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: since college, yep, since we got out there, So seeing

726
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: how much she's helped you. I know you've been in

727
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: the fitness space. You've done a lot of different things.

728
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 4: You started a gym, you like to figure out what culture, yeah, right,

729
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: like and that's hard because not only do you not

730
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: know how to start a gym, but it don't always

731
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: know how to run the gym.

732
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

733
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: So like learning all these things on the go and

734
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: trying to acquire enough knowledge of people to be in

735
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: your corner in your space that you can trust, because

736
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: when you go into the locker room, like you naturally

737
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: just trust everybody because you're in the locker room, so

738
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 3: like we're all in here for the same space, for

739
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: the same reasons. But outside of that, that's not real life.

740
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: I think that's a lot of things for us too

741
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 3: that we a lot of us struggle with is that

742
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: once you leave the locker room, you don't have the security,

743
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: the safety net, and just to trust that naturally, like

744
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: everybody around you is looking out for your best interest.

745
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: That's not true outside of the locker room.

746
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is thanks. What are you up to nowadays?

747
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: I hear you're about to go into another hall of

748
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: fame with the Boys and Girls Club?

749
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 2: Yeah so.

750
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the club. So I was a club kid

751
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: back home. That kept me off the streets, right, and

752
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: I remember not knowing anything.

753
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: About the sport of football.

754
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: A guy named Bo Jackson comes into the Boys and

755
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: Girls Club and he said, if you get a college scholarship,

756
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: you can eat for free. And a lot of people

757
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: don't understand when you come from a community where you

758
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: know you're just having bread and the meals aren't always

759
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: on the table. You guys know exactly what I mean

760
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: by that. And if you can get a college scholarship,

761
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: you can eat for free. I remember sitting down at

762
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: a college football game aubur University and selling cokes, and

763
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the whole crowd is just ignited.

764
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: And I look up at the jumbo trun and it

765
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: was Bo Jackson walking out getting you know, it was

766
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: some type of award that he was getting. And I said, oh,

767
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: that's the guy that was at the Boys and Girls

768
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: Club and he said, if I get a college scholarship,

769
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: I can eat for free. So now I'm in that

770
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: same position, Hall of Famer and going back into communities,

771
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: using the Boys and Girls Club, using a lot of

772
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: resources to try to help young kids because I feel

773
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: like if I can tell one kid, like somebody told me,

774
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: like Bo Jackson told me, Hey, you can get out

775
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: of here if you get a college scholarship. If you

776
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: do so on and so forth, that's what it's about.

777
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to figure out just how to

778
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: serve because that's what's that's what's that's what's really getting

779
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: me going here. And I mean that's what I've been doing.

780
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: And like I was just saying, I just got, you know,

781
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: put into the Boys and Girls Club Hall of fame

782
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: this year to be April. Can't remember exactly when it is,

783
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: but I'm excited because now I got access.

784
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I want.

785
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: Is access, So let me in and then you know

786
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: the impact happened from there.

787
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: Well, I love it because you know, I learned this

788
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 3: is that once you're once you're affected by something, you

789
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: become an advocate. And so you being affected by just

790
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: a visit. Yeah, and you didn't even know who bo

791
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: Jackson really was, and you're like, hold on this scholarship thing,

792
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: and I be hungry. Sometimes I can give you, yes, exactly,

793
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: this is what I need to do.

794
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: So you're affected by it.

795
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: And now I appreciate you going down the road and

796
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: impacting those because you don't know who's going to be

797
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 3: in that room that you talked to and just show

798
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: up for and what they do for them.

799
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: So and I think that sometime your testimony, like when

800
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: you have went through it, it's authentic, and when you

801
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: talk about it, people look at you and those kids

802
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: will look at you and say, you know what, he's

803
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: been here, He's been here in my shoes. Because a

804
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: lot of people can go to the Boys and Girls

805
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: Club with all the resources, but you look at them like, well,

806
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: you're doing this because you want just this, or here's

807
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: what your business wants you to do, or you're doing

808
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: this because you feel what I feel. You've went through

809
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: what I went through, and you can help me get

810
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: out by just a conversation that motivates a kid the city.

811
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: They can do it. Mount Rushmore. You get four.

812
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: Picks of people that have had influence supporting you, loved

813
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 3: on you, helped you, coached you, guided, you, prayed for you,

814
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: to help you become the man you are today.

815
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: You get four picks. Who are the four people? All right?

816
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 1: One person, oh Sor Oci moved here from London, next

817
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: door neighbor in Auburn, and I remember o Se helping

818
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: me get a college scholarship Detroit University. Me and Oci

819
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: became brothers, went to high school together. To me, yeah,

820
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: so we went to high school together. Oci was like

821
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: two eighty soccer player. Now I said, oh Sie, you

822
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: can play football. That's what Oci goes out there on

823
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: that football field, gets a college scholarship, goes to Troy University.

824
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: It's my junior and senior year. OC is in at

825
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: Troy freshman year, so he's coming back and forth and

826
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: he's vouching for me down there at Troy, and they

827
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: end up coming down to my house and saying, hey,

828
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: we want to give you a college scholarship. So that's

829
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: the only college scholarship that was offered to me. Now

830
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: an Alabama state, now a Jacksonville State, not an Albani state,

831
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: Troy State as Troy University right now. OC was vouching

832
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: for me, and I remember when he said you can

833
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: be better than me. I said what, So come outside

834
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: and this work got me balling and really want to

835
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: say I can go and get it. I remember my

836
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: sophomore OCI came down, he said, come downstairs.

837
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: He came.

838
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: He had just got drafted, second round draft pick, I

839
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: think fifty six fifty fourth pick. He came in a

840
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: six hundred Mercedes V twelve black twenty sixes. He drove up,

841
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: said get in the car. I got in the car.

842
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: Said you want this, don't you? You can be better

843
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: than me, and if you get your together and if

844
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: you go out there and get it, and for a

845
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: guy like me, I'm looking like what So he was

846
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: like that guy that like pressed him to me. So

847
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: that's that's number one, because that's that's my dude, all right, brother, Right.

848
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: Number two, I would say Coach Subway, my high school coach.

849
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: He was like my dad.

850
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I get a little teary out about it

851
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: right now because I remember sitting there eating at his house.

852
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: Right.

853
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: I remember him taking me to the football game when

854
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: he was like, you might not get a college scholarship.

855
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm there selling cokes at the pro day looking at

856
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: the kids go across not the pro day, but the

857
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: signing day for the kids go across the field, and

858
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there and I'm like, Wow, this dude's

859
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: acting like my dad, and he's not. But it's just

860
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: one of the people that are just every once in

861
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: a while, just a person is said, I feel like

862
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: an angel in your life and just tell you, hey,

863
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: you can keep going.

864
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: You know.

865
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Another person I would say is my mom. Like my mom,

866
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put her number one regardless, Like my mom

867
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: was always there for me, always working two or three jobs.

868
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm staying at my grandma's house. She picking me up

869
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: at two or three o'clock in the morning and working

870
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: in every school I went to. She also worked in

871
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: the cafeteria, so every school from elementary school all the

872
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: way through high school. She just worked at the school

873
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: for me to see her, because I never got to

874
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: see her after school. So the only time I really

875
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: got to see my mom was when she was serving

876
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: me cinnamon rows, serving me Peter Boy and jelly sandwich.

877
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: She says, cool, yeah, And so then after school, Mom's

878
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: at work working hard. So I would say, you know

879
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: number you know, number one is Mom.

880
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: For sure, and.

881
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Speaker 1: I would put a whole like a conglomerate of family

882
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: for me. I have a really big family back home.

883
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: I go home, it's like sixty It's like sixty of

884
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: us when I come home. Cousins, music, playing barbecue, fireworks

885
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: is every day. It's fourth that July. So if I

886
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: didn't have, like my family, all of us together coming

887
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: together every single day, everybody's at Grandma's house every single day,

888
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: pitching in the food stamps, saying needs to.

889
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: Go get the groceries. That that was.

890
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 1: That's like, you know, I would say my top four

891
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: influential groups or people that got me to where I

892
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 1: am right now.

893
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: It's a good group, man, It's a good group. Sure list.

894
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

895
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming on this pod Man Blessing us

896
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 3: with that story. Yeah, thank you, congratulations, thanks about all

897
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: your Hall of fames because it's a bunch of them.

898
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

899
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Speaker 1: But the thing is, it's like one of those things. Man,

900
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: as I sit here and have an interview with you guys,

901
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: I don't when the last time we did this minute.

902
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: It's been a minute, and it feels so comfortable. Yeah,

903
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: it feels so comfortable, like I'm talking to my boys,

904
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: like I'm sitting here hanging out. We're having true conversations

905
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: about life. It's not a it's not even an interview.

906
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: We can do this at the house and that's what's

907
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: so amazing about it for me. And so every single

908
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: time you guys say, hey, d you want to come

909
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: on the interview, tell me what to show up because

910
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: I get fit, like I truly get fit from not

911
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: just what you guys are asking me, but just the

912
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: conversations because they're real, the real conversation that athletes need

913
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: to be part of instead of it. It's not about numbers,

914
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: it's about how the of them exis and olds have

915
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: come together in our lives and made us to who

916
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: we are right now. So I think y'all have me

917
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Speaker 1: on the show too.

918
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Speaker 3: Well, good job man, because everybody always gives you so

919
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 3: much credit because you showed up big.

920
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 2: Time in the playoffs. Always do it for my goals.

921
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: What for it worked?

922
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: Congrats man, everything you've been able to do as a person,

923
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 3: as a man, as a father, as an entrepreneur, everything, man,

924
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: So appreciate it man for sure.

925
00:47:46,760 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: And thank y'all for having me on. Yes, what is

926
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Speaker 4: Up about them?