Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2: Mallory and it shit Boy my son in general.
Speaker 1: We are your host of TMI.
Speaker 2: Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation.
Speaker 1: And Inspiration, New Energy. What's up, my son, Lennon, How
Speaker 1: you doing today?
Speaker 2: I am blessing Holly favored Tmika D.
Speaker 3: Malory.
Speaker 1: How You'm doing fine?
Speaker 4: Celebrating my granddaughter's second birthday, which is really they grows
Speaker 4: so fast. Yeah, she's definitely growing fast. She's growing fast,
Speaker 4: and she has taken on the personality of a lot
Speaker 4: of us. I can't just say her parents because I
Speaker 4: can see myself as well. She really does not like
Speaker 4: to be touched.
Speaker 1: Or talked to too much, and.
Speaker 4: I can say that I'm kinda like that, souh.
Speaker 1: She's not really anti social.
Speaker 4: She's fine when she gets calm and she's good. She'll
Speaker 4: move all around, she'll talk, she'll sing, she dance. She
Speaker 4: just doesn't want you to put your physical hands on her.
Speaker 4: And she doesn't want.
Speaker 2: Already a German, she know you got germs. She learns
Speaker 2: from you already.
Speaker 1: She just doesn't want you to do too much.
Speaker 4: That's it, like she wants everything to be demir demure
Speaker 4: already at her little bitty age she's like, but then again,
Speaker 4: she's not that demure because she knows how to get
Speaker 4: up on this stuff and things.
Speaker 1: She's just different. She's different.
Speaker 4: She has many different personalities because I think all of
Speaker 4: us we have different things going on. She could be
Speaker 4: very jovial and sweet and happy and laughing and whatnot.
Speaker 4: But if you start touching her, she's like, no, that's
Speaker 4: not I'm not into that. So it's interesting to watch
Speaker 4: her grow up. But I will say that it's also
Speaker 4: just kind of interesting, I feel like for me as
Speaker 4: a parent who well, first of all, one other than Blair.
Speaker 4: Turning to the other thing that happened in my life.
Speaker 4: In the last few days, I had a conversation with
Speaker 4: the legal department of my publishing company for my new book,
Speaker 4: and the you know a woman was like, listen, this
Speaker 4: book is amazing.
Speaker 1: I read it.
Speaker 4: It's the second or maybe the third person from the
Speaker 4: publishing company who really doesn't have like a stake in
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 1: Like they don't. It's up to you. This is your book.
Speaker 4: This is what you want to say, obviously, between yourself
Speaker 4: and whatever your you know, whoever your support team, management,
Speaker 4: you know, your your particular publishing brand like Black Privilege
Speaker 4: Publishing is my particular publishing publishing company.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's another word for it.
Speaker 4: Back It escapes me at this moment, but you know,
Speaker 4: I'm you know, if long as he Charlotte Magne is
Speaker 4: happy with the content and the editor obviously who is there,
Speaker 4: I'll shout out to Nick to monitor what is is
Speaker 4: in the content that's in there.
Speaker 1: As long as they are okay with it.
Speaker 4: The legal team's responsibility is to look at it to
Speaker 4: make sure that there's no reason why you're going to
Speaker 4: get in trouble, right, And so, you know, when I
Speaker 4: was speaking to her today and she's like, listen, the
Speaker 4: last couple of days excuse me, and she was like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, the book is really really good.
Speaker 1: And a few other people said.
Speaker 4: The same thing that have responsibilities like printing, like they
Speaker 4: don't have anything to really do with it, but they
Speaker 4: just went through it because they saw it and they
Speaker 4: read it. And she asked me, hey, you know, is
Speaker 4: everybody in your life okay with the things that you're
Speaker 4: saying in this book? And as she was saying that
Speaker 4: to me, I was just thinking about like all the
Speaker 4: different personalities and the stories, and I can see where
Speaker 4: my granddaughter picks up so much from us over the years,
Speaker 4: over time, my sister. My attitude, you know, sharing is
Speaker 4: very particular, and you can already you see that Blair
Speaker 4: is going in that direction. And one of the other
Speaker 4: things in the book that kind of like, you know,
Speaker 4: I just I write a lot about the challenges that
Speaker 4: I face with being a young mother, the things that
Speaker 4: I wish I could go back and do, so now
Speaker 4: here I am getting an opportunity to try to make
Speaker 4: right on some of the things that I didn't know
Speaker 4: and didn't do properly back in the other days twenty
Speaker 4: five years ago. And I look at her and I'm
Speaker 4: just like, wow, I'm actually able to monitor like the seconds,
Speaker 4: which is very different from when you're raising a kid
Speaker 4: and you're twenty something years old yourself.
Speaker 1: You don't you know, You're.
Speaker 4: Trying to take on chunks of life at a time,
Speaker 4: like gotta figure out where I'm gonna work, Gotta figure
Speaker 4: out where I'm gonna live, got to figure out all
Speaker 4: of that. And now I'm not in that situation, so
Speaker 4: I'm actually able to sit there and look at her
Speaker 4: little bitty details, her little bitty self in the seconds
Speaker 4: and it's just very very it's very interesting. I'll just
Speaker 4: say that. But you know, like I said, the lawyers, like.
Speaker 1: Is everybody okay with this?
Speaker 4: Because she's like when you rode in here and some
Speaker 4: stuff about your mom and your relationship with her, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: my mother stands by everything she said, everything she did.
Speaker 4: And my granddaughter seems like she's gonna be a little
Speaker 4: bit like, oh Mama, no.
Speaker 2: I mean that sounds interesting because I be feeling the
Speaker 2: same way, Like when I talk to my grandson and
Speaker 2: I just look at him. You just able to You
Speaker 2: see things from a different lens than when you're just
Speaker 2: a young parent and you just raising a kid and
Speaker 2: this and that. Now you have a lot more experience, right,
Speaker 2: so you see certain things, you see yourself, you see them,
Speaker 2: you see certain personalities, you know, you see certain things
Speaker 2: that you need to God, you need to get in
Speaker 2: front of, you know. So it's a way different perspective.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very different, it's true. And you're more mature exactly.
Speaker 4: You see things you need to get in front of,
Speaker 4: you do. And so I'm not upset with her for
Speaker 4: not wanting people to touch her. I hope she maintains
Speaker 4: that for a real long time. But the way in
Speaker 4: which she responds about it, we have to figure out
Speaker 4: how to let her know, like you don't just go
Speaker 4: slap the person over the head or knock their hand off.
Speaker 4: You kind of have to learn how to be able
Speaker 4: to articulate. She's only two. I get it, But now
Speaker 4: that I'm older, I realize only two is not My
Speaker 4: grandmother was on it at only two, right, so at
Speaker 4: only two?
Speaker 2: Remember two? I don't remember too well.
Speaker 4: It's not that I remember when I was too but
Speaker 4: I remember how she dealt with all the two year
Speaker 4: olds coming. And I specifically know how my aunts, who
Speaker 4: were like my grandmother's because they're older, old much older women,
Speaker 4: how even with my son at two years old, they
Speaker 4: were like, uh uh, we don't do this, We don't
Speaker 4: do that. He needs to learn how to sit down
Speaker 4: like actually, and that was a thing that they really
Speaker 4: worked on. And I will always say, I would you
Speaker 4: know how you get mad at your family's house and leave.
Speaker 4: I packed my son up and be like we're not
Speaker 4: staying over here with all of this attitude, Like he
Speaker 4: can't run around. He runs around like that's what he does.
Speaker 4: He's a boy. But now I understand discipline starts at
Speaker 4: a whole different place and if you don't do it,
Speaker 4: then it just gets worse and worse and worse over time.
Speaker 1: So you know. But anyway, she's only two.
Speaker 4: She's fine, she's cute, she's sweet as has so sweet.
Speaker 4: But I just know I'm maturing. It's not even about
Speaker 4: her in the way in which I see life. So
Speaker 4: that's what I was doing. I was doing my book,
Speaker 4: Final Final, Final, book, copyright edits looking over what they
Speaker 4: suggest where they made changes, if they made any at all,
Speaker 4: which is not many. They just helped me to, you know,
Speaker 4: make sure I'm crystallizing my points and you know, and
Speaker 4: things like that. But that's what I'm doing, is doing
Speaker 4: that and also enjoying the fact that my granddaughter's in
Speaker 4: New York.
Speaker 2: Shout out to that, and that's love, you know me.
Speaker 2: I'm a soccer dad. So both both of my sons
Speaker 2: played in the tournament this weekend and it was like
Speaker 2: really intense games. We've almost got in fights at both
Speaker 2: of the games, but you know, and they went to
Speaker 2: Cameron went to the championship and lost in overtime pretty much,
Speaker 2: so they do they have penalty they have penalty kicks.
Speaker 2: So what they do is they you gotta it's one
Speaker 2: person faces the goalie and he just kicks it, and
Speaker 2: then they do it with all five players and whoever
Speaker 2: has the most wins at the end of the game.
Speaker 2: So they lost by one kick, you know, So it
Speaker 2: was it was a really really good game. You know,
Speaker 2: they was a little upset, but they came in second place,
Speaker 2: you know, but I watched them just wheel theirselves into
Speaker 2: you know, playing that hard. It was down like they
Speaker 2: was down by one zip, but then they tied it
Speaker 2: up and they was down to one and then they
Speaker 2: tied it up and then they went to overtime. So
Speaker 2: they was they was fighting the whole the whole way,
Speaker 2: and the goalie of the other team really like he
Speaker 2: made an amazing save for them to win by at
Speaker 2: one point, because one they go our goalie, you know,
Speaker 2: like he's damning professional, and he kicked the ball and
Speaker 2: it almost went in and he goalie tapped it and
Speaker 2: it hit like the top, but it didn't go into
Speaker 2: the net. So they won by that really pretty much,
Speaker 2: that one goal. So it was it was dope. And
Speaker 2: then Keston just he was just having a good weekend.
Speaker 2: You know, he played with two different teams this weekend
Speaker 2: and ended up coming in second with one of the teams.
Speaker 4: So you got you have you have an eventful time.
Speaker 4: You know, people who are in youth sports almost like this.
Speaker 1: Is like grown.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's a thing.
Speaker 1: It's grown people. I hear. It's very expensive.
Speaker 2: It's very expensive. Yes, very expensive.
Speaker 3: Real.
Speaker 4: My friends are like wow, like And what happens is
Speaker 4: with a lot of especially friends that I have, that
Speaker 4: they don't have a like a husband or a boyfriend
Speaker 4: or whatever, or family that really supports them. You never
Speaker 4: it's hard to think about people who don't have family
Speaker 4: that supports them at all. And I have friends that
Speaker 4: have that. And then they got their kids in three things,
Speaker 4: it's very difficult. They've run, run, They never have time
Speaker 4: at home.
Speaker 2: Now they don't. They don't like you want to do stuff,
Speaker 2: and then you get up you got to drive an
Speaker 2: hour two hours to the game.
Speaker 4: That what happened to the van used to be that
Speaker 4: you put the kids on the van and they go
Speaker 4: and they come back and their legs.
Speaker 2: You get your kids to the game and shout out.
Speaker 4: To my father because he probably said no, no, no,
Speaker 4: there wasn't that he might have rode on the van,
Speaker 4: but I followed.
Speaker 1: The van because he did.
Speaker 4: My thought of the day today, I tell you, man,
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I'm so I said this. I
Speaker 4: think last week I talked about being so ready for
Speaker 4: this election to be over with because you know, I
Speaker 4: just I I feel like at this point, I'm you know,
Speaker 4: I'm starting to feel that feeling that I don't want
Speaker 4: to feel, and I fight against it of just not
Speaker 4: wanting to communicate with be in relationship with people who
Speaker 4: I think support something that I know is very dangerous
Speaker 4: for me, especially as a woman. And I think that's
Speaker 4: at a point in life, we all come to a
Speaker 4: place where, you know, we have to think about ourselves too, right, Like, yes,
Speaker 4: we think about the greater good of everybody, but then
Speaker 4: we also think about ourselves.
Speaker 1: And I find it.
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like I sit in a place
Speaker 4: as a Black woman where for our entire existence, we
Speaker 4: as women, especially you know, as black women, we have
Speaker 4: always had to consider everybody in every decision that we need.
Speaker 4: That's just the way it is. We've considered the whole,
Speaker 4: not just Black women, black men, and our children, but
Speaker 4: we've considered white folk and other communities, like, that's just
Speaker 4: always what we have done. If you have a lookout
Speaker 4: at protests and you know things like that, like advocacy
Speaker 4: or whatever, you will always know that, especially at a protest,
Speaker 4: if you just count the number of people, women generally
Speaker 4: will out number everybody you know, will outnumber everybody.
Speaker 1: Black women. We just do.
Speaker 4: That's that's always been our role. And so then at
Speaker 4: some point you kind of sit back and you look
Speaker 4: at yourself and then you're like, Okay, what do we
Speaker 4: also need in order to survive, not just succeed, but
Speaker 4: to survive. And when you do that, it makes you
Speaker 4: start to look at people around you very different, you know,
Speaker 4: because then it's kind of like, well, how do you
Speaker 4: have my best interest at heart?
Speaker 1: And I feel like, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I, in this particular moment, am starting to slip
Speaker 4: into a place of not wanting to have relationships with
Speaker 4: folks who I know have heard and understand and it's
Speaker 4: been articulated to them well enough, why this particular moment
Speaker 4: and this particular election season is extremely dangerous. And I
Speaker 4: would send back thinking to myself, I don't like this
Speaker 4: division of black men and black women, and I want
Speaker 4: us to be real careful about it. I think that
Speaker 4: as a black woman, I am not a black man.
Speaker 4: So I see men like you and others speaking on
Speaker 4: some of the issues with black men, and I think
Speaker 4: that's okay, because there's going to be a difference of opinion.
Speaker 4: People are going to have how I feel, how do
Speaker 4: they feel. But in the shoes that I sit in,
Speaker 4: when I have people out there in the world who
Speaker 4: are clearly, very very very much so targeting me as
Speaker 4: a woman in their talking points, in their campaign, in
Speaker 4: their ideology, in their agenda, and other folks are not
Speaker 4: looking at that saying well, this is a problem for me,
Speaker 4: or at least and at least I'll speak up about it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I think one of the hardest things has been to
Speaker 4: watch folks give and to repeat or to talk about
Speaker 4: their feelings about this particular election. And I'm not just
Speaker 4: talking about black men. I'm talking about all communities. I
Speaker 4: hear people talking about their feelings about this election, and
Speaker 4: they never even mentioned, well, one of the things that
Speaker 4: I don't like, or one of the things that I
Speaker 4: am very uncomfortable with, is this idea that we as men,
Speaker 4: and especially white men, have the right to make decisions
Speaker 4: about women's bodies, right, I don't even hear that, and
Speaker 4: I was. I had a conversation with a friend of
Speaker 4: yours actually about why when I look at your social
Speaker 4: media every day, I see you disrespecting Kamala Harris the
Speaker 4: same way that this white man is calling her stupid,
Speaker 4: calling her dumb, calling her an idiot. I don't understand
Speaker 4: why that's okay for you as a man, period. I
Speaker 4: don't care whether she's black or not. I do not
Speaker 4: understand why men, right, all men do not look at
Speaker 4: the disrespect of a woman and say I don't care
Speaker 4: if she's black, white, green, or orange, but especially if
Speaker 4: she's black.
Speaker 1: I'm not okay with that.
Speaker 4: And it's certain language that I will never use to
Speaker 4: describe any woman. I'm not gonna call you stupid and
Speaker 4: dumbing an idiot, right, I'm going to I might say,
Speaker 4: I don't believe that this woman is prepared to do
Speaker 4: this job. I don't believe that she has the skill set.
Speaker 4: But you know what happened. I sat back, and I
Speaker 4: realized that some people are really limited in their own thinking,
Speaker 4: like their own IQ is not that high, so the
Speaker 4: only thing they know to do is to disrespect and
Speaker 4: degrade other.
Speaker 2: Folks, and that's why they attracted the Trump right.
Speaker 4: And then that's what made me say, I am in
Speaker 4: a space where I don't think I can continue to
Speaker 4: have relationships with certain folks that I realize don't really
Speaker 4: respect or love or even care about women. They might
Speaker 4: like you as a friend that they see and talk
Speaker 4: to from time to time, but they.
Speaker 1: Don't respect you.
Speaker 4: They don't respect your leadership, They don't respect us and
Speaker 4: the challenges that we face as women in our society.
Speaker 4: And the last point that I realized is like, wow,
Speaker 4: how can I expect men in general? Again, this is
Speaker 4: not a Black male thing. It's just men in general
Speaker 4: to respect women when there are still denominations, even within
Speaker 4: the Black Church, and other places that don't even have
Speaker 4: women in the pulpit, that don't even have women in
Speaker 4: positions of leadership leadership.
Speaker 1: In their churches.
Speaker 4: So I just, you know, I don't know, it's a
Speaker 4: long drawn out thought, but I feel like I'm at
Speaker 4: a place where while I said I wasn't gonna let
Speaker 4: this happen, and now here we are, and I know
Speaker 4: there's certain people I can't continue to have relationships with.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a real thing, and you know, and
Speaker 2: I think. What I also think is we have to
Speaker 2: teach and allow people to grow to a certainty and
Speaker 2: you don't have to you don't have to be in
Speaker 2: that season or that space, right because what I had
Speaker 2: to learn is about patriarchy and misogyny. I had to
Speaker 2: learn what that was. I didn't understand what it was.
Speaker 2: And as you learn and you grow, and you realize
Speaker 2: how that affects not just you but the people around you, right,
Speaker 2: the woman that you say you respect. When when you
Speaker 2: speak about a woman in the manner and you and
Speaker 2: not acknowledging that your mother or your sister, or your
Speaker 2: grandmother or your wife or just people that's close to you,
Speaker 2: you this is a reflection of how they might think
Speaker 2: that you feel about them, right and innate and deeply,
Speaker 2: you know how we say it covertly, this is actually
Speaker 2: how you feel. You don't express it to them because
Speaker 2: you know, these are certain people that you actually value
Speaker 2: because you in close proximity to them, but as a whole,
Speaker 2: you don't really value them. So like when you have
Speaker 2: a conversation and you're saying that Kamala is not prepared
Speaker 2: or she's not qualified, it's for me. It's like, I
Speaker 2: don't even know how that conversation it comes out of
Speaker 2: your mouth. Because when you look, when you look at
Speaker 2: the accomplishments that this lady has, they.
Speaker 4: Say way to the top, which is what they say
Speaker 4: about me, about almost everyone.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm trying to say, like black one
Speaker 2: that ever was. But the thing is, she's not sleeping byself, right,
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm trying to tell you. So when
Speaker 2: you say she slept her way to the top, there
Speaker 2: might have been people that was lower than her that
Speaker 2: she probably slept with that she helped get in position. Right.
Speaker 2: There might be the dynamics of who you deal with. Always,
Speaker 2: relationships help certain things, but you are qualified and prepared
Speaker 2: when you get to the top, right. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying she did. The whole thing I'm trying to say
Speaker 2: is when you look at somebody who went from being
Speaker 2: a lawyer to DA Right to being a senator to
Speaker 2: be in all these things, those things you just can't.
Speaker 2: You don't just get in those positions, right, You don't
Speaker 2: just keep those positions. You don't just innovate certain programs.
Speaker 2: You don't come up with ideologies and things that are
Speaker 2: the first groundbreaking in your arena because you just slept
Speaker 2: your way to the top. No, that that's just not
Speaker 2: a real thing. It's just is just not a real thing.
Speaker 2: And the fact that you can say that and when
Speaker 2: you look at the person that she's running against, right,
Speaker 2: really has no accomplishments. It's just like, this is somebody
Speaker 2: who is born with a silver spoon and was giving money,
Speaker 2: you know, and made a couple of lucky things, and
Speaker 2: for the most part hasn't even excelled at that. Right,
Speaker 2: They've been able to scam and trick you. Right, this
Speaker 2: is this is what it is. It's like, it's like
Speaker 2: when we look at the era that we're in, we're
Speaker 2: in the era of the troll. Right, the troll is successful.
Speaker 2: I can name you five dudes that's millionaires on the
Speaker 2: internet that don't that can't even survive in real life,
Speaker 2: like dudes that you look at on the internet, and
Speaker 2: these dudes is supposedly popping in real life in the
Speaker 2: jungle way I had to survive. These dudes could not
Speaker 2: survive five minutes. They couldn't They could not go through
Speaker 2: the trenches, they could not go through what it takes
Speaker 2: to overcome and go through trials and tribulations and come
Speaker 2: from nothing. They just couldn't. They were not they aren't
Speaker 2: prepared for that. So when you look at this, the
Speaker 2: person who she's running against, that's one of those individuals, right,
Speaker 2: that's one of those individuals that never really was faced
Speaker 2: with adversity, that's always had something to bail them out,
Speaker 2: that's always had somebody to bail them out. So when
Speaker 2: you compare it too, it's like and then you and
Speaker 2: then you you try to downgrade the little HUDs just
Speaker 2: like that's it's just insane. So when you realize that,
Speaker 2: you just have to say that people evolve at different rates,
Speaker 2: and some people it's gonna be some people, like just
Speaker 2: like when we talk about Uncle Lou, right, we talk
Speaker 2: about Dale Hughley. These were people that were that had
Speaker 2: sipped the tea at first and had to come back
Speaker 2: and apologize, right right, They actually had to come back
Speaker 2: and said, now I brought into what they said about
Speaker 2: YA brought and I started doing my research and I
Speaker 2: started listening. Then we had a conversation. I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: I was so wrong. You know, everybody can't see the
Speaker 2: forest from the trees, so what I try to give
Speaker 2: a lot of people grace because I know that a
Speaker 2: lot of people are not leaders to me and understanding
Speaker 2: that when you're a leader, you have to come from
Speaker 2: position in leadership and say, I know you don't understand,
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna be a lot more patient with you.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a time with my patience whereas then.
Speaker 2: But right now, I'm gonna walk you through and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna educate you. I'm gonna give you all the information
Speaker 2: for you to change your perspective or be able to
Speaker 2: make a knowledge knowledgeable, you know, understanding of what you're saying.
Speaker 2: But until then, I try to do I did my best.
Speaker 4: I try to do that with another one of your
Speaker 4: friends that you love and I love as well. I
Speaker 4: try to educate, but I just know that's It's a
Speaker 4: very interesting thing when you see that a lot of
Speaker 4: people don't know that they just have a lot of
Speaker 4: misogyny in their heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because misogyny is is embedded in within this culture.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's a white supremacy thing,
Speaker 2: and black men who want to have power, they feel
Speaker 2: like that's what they need.
Speaker 1: In order to have you have to put somebody down
Speaker 1: in order to rise.
Speaker 4: So you know, I could go We could go on
Speaker 4: because I had a lot to say, but I think
Speaker 4: we got to do our team I because our guests
Speaker 4: is coming in and we got a man with the
Speaker 4: very important schedule in New York City, And so I
Speaker 4: wanted to do this TMI today because when I woke,
Speaker 4: let me tell you, we have the right to change
Speaker 4: our minds.
Speaker 1: Isn't that something fact?
Speaker 4: We have the right to evolve in seconds, in millions,
Speaker 4: in the hours of a day, you can actually evolve.
Speaker 1: I thank God for evolution.
Speaker 4: I thank God for the freedom to start one way
Speaker 4: in the morning and later on that day say you
Speaker 4: know what I thought about that I processed it.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's important.
Speaker 4: I get that we want to speak because there's things
Speaker 4: happening and you want to speak, But sometimes it takes
Speaker 4: a little while to digest and to sink in, and
Speaker 4: once it sinks in, you might come back with a
Speaker 4: different response.
Speaker 1: So check this out on my TMI today.
Speaker 4: I want to talk about young dro what took place
Speaker 4: on the Breakfast Club. He was on there with TI.
Speaker 4: They obviously had some other brothers with them that were
Speaker 4: in the studios on the couch, you know, in the
Speaker 4: in the room and watching the show actually in their space.
Speaker 4: And I know you saw this, and many people who
Speaker 4: are listening saw Young drou was attempting to explain about
Speaker 4: his addiction issues and overcoming addiction. And let me just say,
Speaker 4: very important to say. Even in this process of writing
Speaker 4: this book, and I know I've talked about addiction many
Speaker 4: times because I feel it's free.
Speaker 1: It frees me a lot to get it out. It
Speaker 1: is not easy.
Speaker 4: The first time that I actually said it, or wrote it,
Speaker 4: or and put it out there in the world, I
Speaker 4: literally felt like I was going to puke, Like I
Speaker 4: felt so scared right the stages of going to rehab
Speaker 4: and all of that. That shit is terrible. It is
Speaker 4: very very hard. And trying to articulate it in public,
Speaker 4: I would imagine, especially as a strong man, and trying
Speaker 4: to articulate that in a rum of other people, it
Speaker 4: is not easy to do on camera knowing a bunch
Speaker 4: of people are listening. So Young Droe was trying to
Speaker 4: you know, he was articulating his story, and they laughed,
Speaker 4: they joked, you know, as he's trying to get it out,
Speaker 4: everybody's being funny. He was being funny, but it came
Speaker 4: a time when it wasn't funny anymore. And this gentleman
Speaker 4: who was with them, sitting right behind them, he continued
Speaker 4: to laugh. Now I appreciate the fact that the brothers
Speaker 4: on the set, particularly TI, I shut it down because
Speaker 4: they was getting ready to get into a fight about
Speaker 4: him laughing, and they shut it down. But I wanted
Speaker 4: to just tell you how evolution of the mind. So
Speaker 4: the brother is giggling back there, ke keying about something
Speaker 4: that at this point they moved past the laughing. You
Speaker 4: gotta know when things are not funny anymore. And young
Speaker 4: Droe was trying to explain his story. He starts talking
Speaker 4: about his daughter being addicted. At the point that he
Speaker 4: mentioned his daughter all better off. Nobody needs to be
Speaker 4: laughing because now he's opening up about some real serious shit,
Speaker 4: and the young man giggles, and so he turns around
Speaker 4: and says to him, you want me to slap you,
Speaker 4: And the two of them get into an exchange of
Speaker 4: you ain't gonna slap me with what you want to do,
Speaker 4: And of course, as I said T, I shut it
Speaker 4: down and was like, stop it no more cool. So
Speaker 4: when I saw it this morning, I was like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would have told him I'm gonna slap you too,
Speaker 4: because this is some bullshit, like it's not funny, right.
Speaker 4: But by the time I sat with that thing all day,
Speaker 4: I realize, and I'm not saying young drou is wrong.
Speaker 4: I think different people come from different perspectives. I understand
Speaker 4: his vulnerability, I get it. But what I have to
Speaker 4: what I now am trying to do in my life
Speaker 4: is think about what can I how can I respond
Speaker 4: even to somebody else's ignorance in a way that diffuses
Speaker 4: versus makes a situation go from zero to one hundred.
Speaker 4: So this little thing about I'm gonna slap you on air, well,
Speaker 4: what you're gonna do?
Speaker 1: Well, what we're gonna do with what's in that? And
Speaker 1: you know how it can end up.
Speaker 4: Somebody could end up dead, Somebody could end up in
Speaker 4: a big fight, friendships are broken up forever. It could
Speaker 4: be all types of scenarios, and it particularly violent scenarios
Speaker 4: to come from that one moment. So my evolution by
Speaker 4: the end of the day because I do believe as
Speaker 4: a TAMI that old boy was doing too much, too
Speaker 4: much in that moment, but I also can see how
Speaker 4: to turn around and say to him, hey man, I'm
Speaker 4: not joking anymore. Is much more evolved than to say
Speaker 4: I'm gonna slap you. So I just want to say
Speaker 4: today to Mika Mallory.
Speaker 1: Grew up in a few hours.
Speaker 4: Today, I went from I'm gonna slap you to hey man,
Speaker 4: cut it out.
Speaker 1: I'm serious.
Speaker 2: Now that's a press That's a real life process for me,
Speaker 2: right Like I've had to evolve in seconds because I
Speaker 2: take disrespect, you know, very strong, because I respect you
Speaker 2: so much, so when you disrespect me, I used to
Speaker 2: feel like I had to impose, you know. I used
Speaker 2: to think my old turn to violence was more violence
Speaker 2: because I understood that if you knew I was willing
Speaker 2: to be more violent than you was, then you would
Speaker 2: not want violence with me. So that was my mentality.
Speaker 2: So now I have to diffuse things that I normally wouldn't.
Speaker 2: And I remember for you to make me feel like
Speaker 2: I'm being soft, And I used to listen to people
Speaker 2: my little brothers have teasing me you soft now before
Speaker 2: you went and deal with that, and I'd be like
Speaker 2: it needs to make me feel a way. But now
Speaker 2: I realize that I'm a grown adult man and I'm evolved,
Speaker 2: and I can and I can think, I can outthink
Speaker 2: a situation. You know, I know how to protect myself.
Speaker 2: I have to, but I'm not trying to initiate any
Speaker 2: violence with somebody that I don't have to because I
Speaker 2: could just stay away from you, right, I could literally
Speaker 2: just keep you out of my circumference because if you
Speaker 2: if I allow you to dictate my actions, then you
Speaker 2: controlled me and I don't control. So that that was
Speaker 2: a level of evolution. When I hear you say that,
Speaker 2: I remember times that that would have been my response,
Speaker 2: but now I know that normally that's my response.
Speaker 4: Now the TMI slash to my you're doing too much
Speaker 4: segment of the day is we're going from I'm gonna
Speaker 4: slap you to chill out right, you.
Speaker 1: Gotta learn how to diffuse.
Speaker 4: And again we're not saying I know, I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that I don't understand young dro and that he was
Speaker 4: not he was wrong, because I don't think he was wrong.
Speaker 1: I think the other brother was absolutely in the wrong.
Speaker 4: But at some point we have to recognize that if
Speaker 4: we don't know how to control our response to ignorance,
Speaker 4: we could end up killing people or being killed because
Speaker 4: it could just go that far, especially when two men
Speaker 4: feel disrespected in an environment where millions of people are watching.
Speaker 4: So that's it, you know, I just I figured that
Speaker 4: on today I could pat myself on the back a
Speaker 4: little bit from because in the morning time I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I would have got up.
Speaker 1: I would have.
Speaker 4: Said up to fives told I told people, I said,
Speaker 4: you know what, And by the now I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: maybe I should shouldn't think that way.
Speaker 2: And that's why they teach us to our first judgment.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's the principles dangerous.
Speaker 4: That's the that's in the the principles of non violence
Speaker 4: that Carmen Perez can introduce us King of nonviolence, that
Speaker 4: which was doctor King's principles to suspend your first judgment
Speaker 4: and gather more information, which the short version of that
Speaker 4: is sit still and be quiet for a second. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you gotta be quiet for a second, because that's another thing.
Speaker 4: Even I don't even know if you have to say
Speaker 4: chill out, you could just be quiet and don't speak anymore.
Speaker 4: To see it, the person will catch up to the
Speaker 4: fact that what you're doing is distracting me from a
Speaker 4: serious situation.
Speaker 2: I say that all the time, that they are people
Speaker 2: in prison for life over things They wasn't mad at
Speaker 2: three days.
Speaker 1: Later, right, they don't even remember what what happened.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even mad at. They're not mad and none
Speaker 2: of it no more. But you got life in prison
Speaker 2: because immediate energy.
Speaker 4: We know somebody in prison right now that or in
Speaker 4: jail rather right now, young guy just you know, probably
Speaker 4: had every reason to be upset at, every reason to respond.
Speaker 4: But to your point, mean you said something powerful. Now
Speaker 4: the situation controlled you. You didn't control the situation. So
Speaker 4: you sitting in the jail over something that if you
Speaker 4: could do it all over again, you wouldn't even be
Speaker 4: having the first conversation that led to the second conversation,
Speaker 4: let alone the second conversation.
Speaker 1: It's just we gotta do a little bit better.
Speaker 4: And I do know one thing to circle all the
Speaker 4: way back to my granddaughter.
Speaker 1: They learn what you teach them, what you do, what
Speaker 1: you say.
Speaker 4: And me and my son will say to me in
Speaker 4: the drop of a dime, we'd be out somewhere and
Speaker 4: he'd be like, oh, oh, all of a sudden, you
Speaker 4: just let people just do and say anything to you,
Speaker 4: And that's because he grew up with me as a
Speaker 4: young girl who wherever we was at, if anybody did
Speaker 4: or say anything, we was yelling, I'm getting it, popping
Speaker 4: with him in toe and so he learned that behavior.
Speaker 4: So now trying to do things different with my granddaughter,
Speaker 4: that's not what I want her to see as an
Speaker 4: example of how I respond to things, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, so that she could learn it different, because
Speaker 4: sure enough, my mama taught me how to pop off
Speaker 4: when it was time to pop off. To listen, let's
Speaker 4: get our guests in here. We don't want this brother
Speaker 4: to leave us, but I appreciate I appreciate this show
Speaker 4: and how much it does for us to be able
Speaker 4: to talk and learn and evolve together. So let's bring
Speaker 4: our guests today. Is absolutely no stranger to our show
Speaker 4: and just to being out in the streets. I know
Speaker 4: earliest day y'all were out together somewhere, my son and
Speaker 4: our public advocate Jimani Williams. Y'all were out with k
Speaker 4: Bane out in Brooklyn at the Human Justice March.
Speaker 1: Indigenous People's that.
Speaker 4: That's what's up, And Jimani, I feel like you know,
Speaker 4: for us, we always have friends that are doing incredible things.
Speaker 1: On this show.
Speaker 4: Last week we had l Joy Williams, who right now,
Speaker 4: when I look at the insights of how many people
Speaker 4: watched what she was talking about, we're up to like
Speaker 4: sixty thousand people who paid attention to this woman talking
Speaker 4: about a guide a journal that she has created on
Speaker 4: a voting plan, like how to create a voting plan.
Speaker 4: So people are paying attention. And I say all the
Speaker 4: time that in chaos we have found one another, which.
Speaker 1: Is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4: You know, it's unfortunate, it's painful because I think the
Speaker 4: first time I met you might have been a protest,
Speaker 4: might have been something highly Probably when's the first time
Speaker 4: you met Jimani my son?
Speaker 2: He was at a protest? I don't know, it was
Speaker 2: definitely at a protest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, So we appreciate you for being it's really nice.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Did the news yep? Thank you for coming by today?
Speaker 2: Me neither. I just put it on and she just copied.
Speaker 4: Not in copy. I just got dressed and that's that.
Speaker 4: But I think great minds thinking, like so Indigenous People's
Speaker 4: Day today, we don't celebrate Christopher Columbus Day.
Speaker 2: You go, Wallace and my little brother, you know, but you.
Speaker 4: Know, I think in this time that we're in UH
Speaker 4: in America when we think about Indigenous People's Day, and
Speaker 4: we know that so that the Indigenous community is still
Speaker 4: not respected and honored properly UH in the society. And
Speaker 4: it just makes me think think about how many of
Speaker 4: our people, or people just all over America feel so displaced,
Speaker 4: so dishonored, so mistreated. And so I do know that
Speaker 4: while Indigenous People's Day is supposed to be this celebratory moment,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of people who are suffering and
Speaker 4: who want to make sure that today is about us
Speaker 4: remembering them in your spirit and their struggles.
Speaker 5: No, for sure, theres a lot of people watch it,
Speaker 5: so I want to be clear. You know, I don't
Speaker 5: mind celebrating heritage as well, So I just whoever's watching
Speaker 5: they say crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: That's not Christopher Columbus.
Speaker 5: Columbus a right, and the reason they attached themselves to
Speaker 5: Columbus because when they got had they was getting lynched
Speaker 5: and stuff too. But they always, you know, everybody wants
Speaker 5: proximity to what they think helps them in America, so
Speaker 5: they try to attach themselves to this man never discovered
Speaker 5: this country and usher in some of the worst genocidal
Speaker 5: massacres we've ever seen.
Speaker 3: So I don't mind.
Speaker 5: Celebrating that, but we have to celebrate in the people
Speaker 5: people's day, and we have to do you know, there'll
Speaker 5: be anything attached to Christopher Columbus at all.
Speaker 3: It's it's insane.
Speaker 5: I guess it's not because we pushing somebody to be
Speaker 5: president that probably comes in that same vein, but to
Speaker 5: be celebrating this person the way we do, it's just
Speaker 5: it's incredible to me, even first of all, celebrating him
Speaker 5: on a lie, like he didn't even do the thing
Speaker 5: you said, he.
Speaker 3: It's a whole lie.
Speaker 5: And then the things he did was just horrendous, and
Speaker 5: people look at folks who are saying, look, let's just
Speaker 5: not celebrate him. Somehow we're crazy, and so you experience
Speaker 5: that people it's just wild and said, I just don't
Speaker 5: want to celebrate that man all this and that. What
Speaker 5: are you talking about? Why would you celebrate this person?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 5: There's a local council member I tried to I haven't
Speaker 5: really said anything. I don't want to make it hot,
Speaker 5: but you know, a shout out to Justin Brandon. He
Speaker 5: just unfortunately he got kicked out of the Italian the
Speaker 5: Italian what is it, the Italian City Council.
Speaker 3: Club, the club.
Speaker 1: They kicked him out committee.
Speaker 5: Committee just because he said, let's try to celebrate Italian heritage,
Speaker 5: but not this man, and they just kicked him out.
Speaker 5: But shout out to him for standing tall. I hope
Speaker 5: I don't get him in more heat for saying this,
Speaker 5: But you know, I just I want to be like,
Speaker 5: I recognize that, and that's not easy to do.
Speaker 3: But the fact that somebody can just say I don't
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 5: Sell a murderous, horrific person and attach that to my heritage,
Speaker 5: and somehow that that should be the norm, that should
Speaker 5: be what we're doing. And so it's all but you know,
Speaker 5: it's unfortunate, but I see where we're at now in
Speaker 5: this country anyway.
Speaker 3: It's a kind of track.
Speaker 2: And that brings me to my question, like, in this season,
Speaker 2: as a black man, how are you feeling because we
Speaker 2: are dealing with so many different things. You know, we're
Speaker 2: dealing with this presidential election, we're dealing with someone who's
Speaker 2: damn near Christopher Columbus, right, the modern day Christopher Columbus,
Speaker 2: and you being a public advocate a part of a government, like,
Speaker 2: how are you feeling? And how are you like? What
Speaker 2: are the thought processes that you have?
Speaker 5: Man, it's just stunning to me to see a Donald
Speaker 5: Trump like and he's getting quote unquote dark and dark
Speaker 5: as we get close, Like the things he is saying
Speaker 5: are just like he's not like, I don't I'm just saying,
Speaker 5: whatever can give you permission to dislike who you dislike anyway,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say that. And it's getting worse and worse.
Speaker 5: We get there and it's and it's it seems to
Speaker 5: be working for those folks.
Speaker 4: So you want a white man on a do you
Speaker 4: want a black person or a white man?
Speaker 1: I think you want a white man.
Speaker 4: That's one of his latest at least one of the
Speaker 4: latest clips that's out there.
Speaker 5: But it's not like, but he has been who he
Speaker 5: is forever, like this is who he said he was
Speaker 5: and people want this and you go through history, there's.
Speaker 3: A playbook of these type of leaders that.
Speaker 5: Have done some of the worst things in history, and
Speaker 5: he's just he's playing that book to the t like
Speaker 5: reality is crazy. Do you see this last thing about
Speaker 5: the hurricanes in Florida? People are literally putting death threats
Speaker 5: against meteorologists and Manjie Taylor Green and some of the
Speaker 5: MAGA leaders and Trump are telling these folks that these
Speaker 5: meteorologists are creating the weather, are changing the weather, Like
Speaker 5: what is happening right anything except climate change? But you
Speaker 5: look at this like you know, people are literally believing this,
Speaker 5: Like I don't I want facts to make a comeback.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they'll make.
Speaker 2: It before No, definitely, How do you.
Speaker 5: Somebody they should? How do you all with somebody like
Speaker 5: this sky is blue and like, no it's not.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I have trouble figuring that out. Like I respect people
Speaker 5: who disagree with me and we have an argument. But
Speaker 5: if I'm telling you this like this, this this is orange,
Speaker 5: like nah, yo, it's black because it's such I don't
Speaker 5: know how to talk.
Speaker 2: That's the space I'm in. That's the real space you
Speaker 2: have question no, no, no. As a black man, right when
Speaker 2: you see when you see not just the you know
Speaker 2: somebody telling you when you go to your page and
Speaker 2: you go to other page, because my page is full
Speaker 2: with black men trying to explain to me why they're
Speaker 2: with Trump, Like how does that even make you feel?
Speaker 5: So what I try to do in these situations, I
Speaker 5: feel every like I feel the emotions and I try
Speaker 5: to unpack them and I try to make sure I'm
Speaker 5: understanding someone's journey to the space they got through so
Speaker 5: I can help because I can help figure this out
Speaker 5: and the trauma that as you know, I mean, I'm
Speaker 5: a part of Democratic Party. They have been part of
Speaker 5: the problem. Like there's just no way around that. And
Speaker 5: part of being part of the problem has driven some
Speaker 5: of these black men to these spaces. But I have
Speaker 5: to like when I try to push back, like I
Speaker 5: understand your pain, I don't understand how you think this
Speaker 5: is the answer. So I tell them, folks, you know,
Speaker 5: don't jump out of the frying pan into the fire.
Speaker 5: This is not what's going to be sisus. As I
Speaker 5: said at the march, like whatever issue I have with
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris, we can have a conversation and we can
Speaker 5: push her. This man has literally said I'm going to
Speaker 5: take the United States on me and crush any descent
Speaker 5: that comes out, any protests. How is that even handed
Speaker 5: comparison of problems. I don't I disagree here, but we're
Speaker 5: gonna talk. I'm gonna crush any kind of descent that
Speaker 5: you have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, but see, let me push that, right, because
Speaker 4: I think that I was having a conversation with Congressman
Speaker 4: Jamal Bawman today and for sure, and I told him
Speaker 4: that the feeling of conflict that exists within me in
Speaker 4: this moment is more than I've ever vote in my life.
Speaker 4: Because on one hand, we say like we can push them,
Speaker 4: and I know we can. I mean, I understand who
Speaker 4: we're dealing with. Obviously. I actually know, you know, Vice
Speaker 4: President Harris. I've met her, and so I know that
Speaker 4: I know a little bit more about her compassion around
Speaker 4: certain things. And I also have as a black woman,
Speaker 4: I certainly have a lot of hope and belief in
Speaker 4: what I believe a black woman, especially a black woman
Speaker 4: from Howard, a black woman who's an AKA.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of things that you.
Speaker 4: Know your wife Indians she is an AKA as well,
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of hope that I have there, right,
Speaker 4: And so that's that we put that to the side.
Speaker 4: But just thinking about America in general, being in a
Speaker 4: country where students who are protesting under this administry, a
Speaker 4: democratic administration, are being beat up bloody for protesting. What
Speaker 4: is happening to the Palestinian people. How do we make
Speaker 4: people understand the difference in these two scenarios when he's
Speaker 4: saying he's gonna crush descent and Descent is actually being crushed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, First of all, you know how I feel that
Speaker 5: it was all wrong and the Columbia president, I think
Speaker 5: sparked all that across the nation.
Speaker 3: How she handled that that was horrific.
Speaker 4: I think Columbia University of New York State City it.
Speaker 3: Would have been.
Speaker 5: And unfortunately there was a mayor more than willing to
Speaker 5: act like they were free and for Lojah when there
Speaker 5: was a bunch of students who were non violent protests.
Speaker 5: So that combination of that was terrible. But think about
Speaker 5: what that would have looked like under the Trump administration.
Speaker 5: What do you think would have happened under Trump administration
Speaker 5: and what they would have used to crush that descent
Speaker 5: even harder? And I like, I have that conflict in myself,
Speaker 5: and then I have to remember, like we keep we
Speaker 5: provide moral balances when there isn't this man, this is
Speaker 5: the the president. He was a president I States in America,
Speaker 5: and he's running again telling people that Hatians are eating Castenbill,
Speaker 5: his vice president, repeated was told that it's a lie
Speaker 5: and said, I'm going to continue lying about it because
Speaker 5: it helps me lift up issues. This is what we're
Speaker 5: dealing with on the other side. That's not even a comparison.
Speaker 5: I don't know what to do with that. I don't
Speaker 5: know how to get past that. I know here there's
Speaker 5: at least a lane of sanity that I can I
Speaker 5: can try to jest. I am tired of having due
Speaker 5: the lesson, like I'm really tired of that, and I
Speaker 5: don't know how many times I can do that. But
Speaker 5: there's an existential threat that exists that I don't know
Speaker 5: if its existed before. I know every time there's an election,
Speaker 5: people say this, but this dude is wild, is different,
Speaker 5: This is some other stuff like he's got the worst
Speaker 5: because that's the only lay he got, and people act,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say some I don't. I don't want to
Speaker 5: get in trouble, but like I.
Speaker 3: Know, but they're looking at it.
Speaker 5: Like people act like the decisions of what you need
Speaker 5: to do right now, it's not real.
Speaker 1: Get mad, Let's move on, Okay, but let's move on.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, when you have to make a decision
Speaker 5: right now, don't tell me that something is not worse
Speaker 5: than the other. It just is, like you could pretend
Speaker 5: that it's not. You could pretend, oh well, listen that.
Speaker 5: But if you have to make a decision and this
Speaker 5: one clearly it's worse, don't pretend that this is not.
Speaker 5: Just just let's not do that, please, because I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Say, we're not being honest with us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all. Like if you God forbid, this is
Speaker 5: a horrible comparison. But I just have to say, if
Speaker 5: someone he was back in the time institution of slavery,
Speaker 5: it's a terrible I'm not gonna say, I'm not saying.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, but if you somebody say this is
Speaker 5: the worst one, this is the better one.
Speaker 3: Don't pretend like that's not a difference.
Speaker 2: That's a big difference.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a difference.
Speaker 4: The difference was did you want to go in the
Speaker 4: house or did you want to be in the field.
Speaker 1: That was a difference to make.
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying people had to say, well, I'm
Speaker 4: just stand here and I got a snitch in order
Speaker 4: to stay here, or I gotta have sex with masters
Speaker 4: in order to stay here, because out there.
Speaker 2: There was actually but do you know what the reality is.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately there was different masters, right there were different
Speaker 2: and this is this is what I'm saying, Like there's
Speaker 2: a there's a reality that there was the master that
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I ain't raping and I
Speaker 2: just want you all to do in the field. We're
Speaker 2: gonna do that. And then there was the one that
Speaker 2: was gonna beat you.
Speaker 3: And this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And these are realities now you have to deal with
Speaker 2: and we still live in America because we still live
Speaker 2: in America, and America is is based on racism, It's
Speaker 2: based on those realities, it's based on war, it's based
Speaker 2: on you know, white supremacy. That's what we live at.
Speaker 2: Until we completely disman to white supremacy. We have to
Speaker 2: navigate it. We have to figure out how fuck do
Speaker 2: we navigate the white supremacy. This is what we're dealing
Speaker 2: with right now.
Speaker 5: We're dealing with people like no because like I know,
Speaker 5: like if God forbid, like the whole institution should be
Speaker 5: destroyed and we should work on that. But at that
Speaker 5: moment in time, if somebody said, for whatever reason, you
Speaker 5: have a choice of go to the described.
Speaker 2: This is the reality. Is this man I was locked
Speaker 2: up in prison. And if you was in prison in
Speaker 2: New York State, you know, if they chose asks you
Speaker 2: do you want to go to sing sing? Or do
Speaker 2: you want to go to Attica. Niggas is going to
Speaker 2: sing sings a sweeter of jail. It's still jail. We
Speaker 2: still want to but niggas, like everybody was trying to
Speaker 2: get the sing sing, we're trying to make right now,
Speaker 2: sing sing. This is the reality. I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: go to Attica where they got the babies. The white
Speaker 2: bears got the the black babies on their arms with
Speaker 2: nooses on their neck. They beating you in the shower
Speaker 2: as soon as you get off through they It's the
Speaker 2: most racist shit that you ever dealt with. This is
Speaker 2: the reality what we deal with. And I tell people
Speaker 2: all the time, I understand the threat of a Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I told and this is the really shit that I
Speaker 2: really sat and thought about it. I was having a
Speaker 2: conversation at the march with a brother today and I
Speaker 2: was like, I literally was in the street from the
Speaker 2: first day of Donald Trump's presidency to the end of it.
Speaker 2: I was in the streets protesting. I had to fight
Speaker 2: for rights people dying every day, almost every day we
Speaker 2: was on the road having to deal with something in
Speaker 2: justice that was happening to our people. I've never experienced
Speaker 2: that for four years straight. I've never experienced anything like that.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I don't know that I have
Speaker 2: the standin up at this point. I mean, I'm I'm tired,
Speaker 2: like I don't why. And and now he's more he's
Speaker 2: more skilled.
Speaker 3: And now the Supreme Court has said.
Speaker 2: The police community when we was outside and we was
Speaker 2: face to face with those officers in Louisville under Trump
Speaker 2: right now, them people could kill us, like literally could
Speaker 2: kill us.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, you know, when we look back
Speaker 1: at can I just.
Speaker 5: Say, I don't want to skip over that to people
Speaker 5: who are listening right because I'm like, I can't pretend
Speaker 5: that this is the answer to everything we ever wanted.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying right now as an up choice that
Speaker 5: we have to make, but it is a real choice.
Speaker 3: And let's not pretend that one choice.
Speaker 4: And it's not that we're I know, I know you're
Speaker 4: not saying that Kamala Harris is this terrible tran What
Speaker 4: we're talking about is the is the Democrats versus the
Speaker 4: Republicans that we find sign it's problematic. I mean, we
Speaker 4: know that, and I think we know what. If I
Speaker 4: was someone listening to us and I didn't hear us
Speaker 4: say this, I would turn it off because you're being
Speaker 4: disingenuous if you do not acknowledge that the Democrats and
Speaker 4: Republicans are like have some very very very significant problems.
Speaker 4: But this Maga thing is completely completely outside of what
Speaker 4: I think our communities are prepared to handle. And I
Speaker 4: tell you, in this conversation that I was having with
Speaker 4: Congressman Jamul Bowman, he said, I said to him, he said,
Speaker 4: some people feel like we're on the brink of a
Speaker 4: civil war. Like that's how people feel, right, and people
Speaker 4: are really worried about that. And when he's talking to constituents,
Speaker 4: that's what they're saying. We feel like there is a
Speaker 4: war that is brewing. And I said, what makes me
Speaker 4: feel scared is I don't know where all of our
Speaker 4: what side all of our.
Speaker 1: People will end up on. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know that as a black woman that I
Speaker 4: can depend on a majority of black men to protect
Speaker 4: me and to be with me. I believe that I
Speaker 4: might be with the few or not the few. But
Speaker 4: I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I used to think that until to me.
Speaker 1: Two things happened to me. Two things happen to me.
Speaker 4: The first thing is when I hear my own family
Speaker 4: members who've been raised by it, with the same principles,
Speaker 4: the same whatever, talking about supporting Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: That scares me.
Speaker 4: Right, that's where my majority starts slipping away, because there's
Speaker 4: certain people that I believe that I was gonna I
Speaker 4: could go to. Right when I look up and I
Speaker 4: see people like a Lord Jamar, who's someone who I
Speaker 4: respect and deeply like, I mean, this was somebody to
Speaker 4: me who was like an icon.
Speaker 1: And I see him spreading misinformation.
Speaker 2: It's not even to me, it's not even.
Speaker 1: Well, it is misinformation.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not miss. I'm saying the problem
Speaker 2: for me with him somebody that somebody I'm close to
Speaker 2: as well, and I haven't had a conversation because I
Speaker 2: don't even know how to converse with him at this point.
Speaker 2: When when when every word is this bitch and that
Speaker 2: and bitch bitch, and it's like you're supposed to be
Speaker 2: to God, this this was God body large and more
Speaker 2: and you and you're referring to a woman in this
Speaker 2: manner that you don't have, you don't have no personal
Speaker 2: issues with. She ain't do nothing to your mother, she
Speaker 2: like wall.
Speaker 1: But how do we get this to put that?
Speaker 4: To go back into my point, my majority is slipping
Speaker 4: away when I start seeing things like that, when I
Speaker 4: hear a black man sit in my face, who is
Speaker 4: a family member, man who completely supports Kamala Harris, but
Speaker 4: he says to me, I'm in barbershop conversations and I'm
Speaker 4: telling you that more black men than you think, right
Speaker 4: are gonna cat. They're not gonna say it, but they're
Speaker 4: gonna cast their vote for Trump. And I hear them
Speaker 4: saying a lot of black women, I'm not gonna vote
Speaker 4: for Trump, but I'm not voting for her.
Speaker 1: Right, I start feeling like the.
Speaker 4: Majority of those people who we will be with fighting with, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, is not an unusual concept, to be clear,
Speaker 4: because in our struggle right now, we're not always it's
Speaker 4: not always the majority. A lot of times in these
Speaker 4: marches on the front line, we're out there with a
Speaker 4: lot of people who don't even look like us more
Speaker 4: than we are even with our own people.
Speaker 1: So I'm starting to worry about it.
Speaker 3: I would say that I think it will be the majority.
Speaker 3: You believe that, yeah, I do.
Speaker 5: I think there's a larger percentage than normal that are
Speaker 5: have have you know, the kool aid has been really strong.
Speaker 4: Well, now, it's not kool aid. It's a intentional targeting, yes, and.
Speaker 5: It's it's worked on some folks because of the years
Speaker 5: of neglect. And this is where a democratic party has
Speaker 5: to take ownership has neglected to address. And we, many
Speaker 5: of us, have been saying for a very long time,
Speaker 5: you are taking these people for granted, over and over
Speaker 5: and over again, and now here we are not only that.
Speaker 5: And you know, I understand this, this this concept, but
Speaker 5: there are many folks who feel like we have made
Speaker 5: everything masculine, toxic everything. And here on the other side
Speaker 5: you have a group of folks who are saying who actually,
Speaker 5: first of all, anything is nothing is off limits, So
Speaker 5: you could be the most toxic whatever. Hey, come here,
Speaker 5: we're gonna you could be here.
Speaker 3: So now.
Speaker 5: Every day that you hate these people, that's fine, you
Speaker 5: hate them too, don't worry you could that that that
Speaker 5: they allow you to be the worst of our surgeon.
Speaker 4: But I think we got to go back to this point,
Speaker 4: and I know you gotta go, and I also know
Speaker 4: that it's a painful conversation because people will get very
Speaker 4: upset with me for saying it. But I'm just telling
Speaker 4: you that my experience as a woman, and particularly as
Speaker 4: a Black woman, is that I have been harmed and
Speaker 4: a lot of women that I know have been harmed
Speaker 4: many times by black men. It's just a truth, right,
Speaker 4: And I said to my sign earlier on the show,
Speaker 4: when I look at some places, even within the Black Church,
Speaker 4: and I realize that some of our denominations still don't
Speaker 4: even allow women in the pulpit, we have more misogyny
Speaker 4: in our community than we're willing to admit. And I
Speaker 4: think that if we were in a civil war kind
Speaker 4: of scenario, that's I'm pushing it. But nonetheless, I'm not
Speaker 4: sure where people would fall, because folks want to be
Speaker 4: they want to be attached to or have proximity to
Speaker 4: what they believe is power or the winning side, and
Speaker 4: so the few of us would be out there, but
Speaker 4: as we always are, struggling and fighting on our own,
Speaker 4: and that makes me feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: No, you talk so one, that's a sad reality. Because
Speaker 5: I don't think black women have and we all agree,
Speaker 5: have ever been protected the way they're supposed to be protected.
Speaker 5: So I can't take that away. I have my own
Speaker 5: stories with my own wife, so like this is that's
Speaker 5: a truth, a truism that we want to hold but not.
Speaker 5: But and I feel like the majority of people like
Speaker 5: this did to the majority, and the percentage is way
Speaker 5: too big.
Speaker 3: Than it should be.
Speaker 1: Okay, I respect that.
Speaker 5: Think the percentage of folks have just gotten a lot
Speaker 5: bigger because of all the things that have happened and
Speaker 5: all the feelings of leaders and a party previously.
Speaker 4: But what does that have to do with what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about. I'm talking about the relationship.
Speaker 3: Because you said they feel that they feel like.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we will be will have.
Speaker 4: What I believe at one point it's certain people I
Speaker 4: just knew would be there but not.
Speaker 5: But like all of this is, and because I have
Speaker 5: family members who called me and told me they're voting
Speaker 5: for Trump. Praise God, I don't think they vote right,
Speaker 5: but they but they're telling me to vote, and they're
Speaker 5: telling me like all of the things that have brought
Speaker 5: trauma to them, they are now allowed to express it
Speaker 5: in the worst ways, and that is intoxic.
Speaker 3: All of this is intoxic.
Speaker 5: I have been suffering, and you are telling me that
Speaker 5: you're going to solve that suffering.
Speaker 3: That is age.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 5: As matter of fact, I'm get rid of all them
Speaker 5: people who have been bothering you, preventing you from getting
Speaker 5: where you're supposed to go in the first place. Remember
Speaker 5: all these people toy you, they was gonna help you.
Speaker 3: They did not.
Speaker 5: I'm a strong man. I'm going to solve that. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna solve this problem for you and get me here.
Speaker 5: And I gave you that check that I ain't even
Speaker 5: give you. So you have all that stuff combined, and
Speaker 5: people like you know what, nothing has changed on these
Speaker 5: other people. He's telling me he gave me money, which
Speaker 5: hen't really give me. That's a whole other thing I've
Speaker 5: been telling these people. Make sure you're clear. Donald Trump
Speaker 5: trying to stop that check. It was a Democratic Congress
Speaker 5: that got it for you. But not only did he
Speaker 5: give me money, He's getting rid of these people who
Speaker 5: have been the problem, even though they have been the problem.
Speaker 5: That's the hell of an intoxication. They have people and
Speaker 5: they're telling people in pain. That's why people abuse substances.
Speaker 1: So I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get, so I want to ask this question
Speaker 2: before you leave. Obama made some statements and for me,
Speaker 2: you know, my personal opinion is that we should be
Speaker 2: able to speak truth to power to our brother right.
Speaker 2: If if I'm seeing that you're doing something wrong, right,
Speaker 2: it's like you being abused, Like you have a friend
Speaker 2: that's being abused, and you're saying, hey, why would you
Speaker 2: let that person abuse you? I don't think that's talking
Speaker 2: down to.
Speaker 5: You, so uh well, one also assistance. I just want
Speaker 5: to make sure I heard you, like, that's real. I
Speaker 5: don't want to ignore.
Speaker 2: No, definitely feeling.
Speaker 4: It's really, it's really, it's very emotional like it gives me,
Speaker 4: you know, because it's hard when you love so much.
Speaker 4: I love black men like I've been fighting for black
Speaker 4: men my whole life, and I have been in situations
Speaker 4: where I almost died trying to protect black men. I
Speaker 4: have a black son of a black father. My whole
Speaker 4: life is about and you know how much I love
Speaker 4: the two of you and all the brothers around me.
Speaker 4: But I have to at some point, as I said
Speaker 4: to my son earlier today, start thinking about myself as well,
Speaker 4: and this is a reality for me.
Speaker 1: I know that while.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that a white man wouldn't do it
Speaker 4: to me, but my proximity has been to black men, right,
Speaker 4: and so only thing that.
Speaker 1: I can I don't even care whether a white man
Speaker 1: protects me. Only thing I care about is because I
Speaker 1: feel like if we going out together, then hey, that's it.
Speaker 4: And when I start to see when I go on Facebook,
Speaker 4: Instagram and other things and.
Speaker 1: I see black men that I respect.
Speaker 4: Deeply saying winch, she's a wench, she's stupid, she's an idiot.
Speaker 5: And I'm answering a question. But think about why. We
Speaker 5: have seen people their proximity to power. So we have
Speaker 5: seen folks say I'm gonna show you I'm just like you.
Speaker 5: So I'm just like you, which means I'm gonna call
Speaker 5: my woman this thing. I'm the man in the house,
Speaker 5: and this is what it looks like. I love Christopher Columbus,
Speaker 5: those LGBT folks and all this with you, so I
Speaker 5: to show you I'm with you. I'm a mimic and
Speaker 5: do the things that you do. So that proximity to
Speaker 5: America and what has brought certain community's power is an
Speaker 5: intoxicating thing. I see people with the thickest accents from
Speaker 5: the Caribbean screaming at other immigrants.
Speaker 3: It's the wildest thing in the world. But what's happening?
Speaker 5: And then they want proximity to show I'm just like you,
Speaker 5: and so that's the real thing. So that's a conversation
Speaker 5: we just have to have because you're not the only one.
Speaker 3: And that's real. With the with the Obama conversation, for.
Speaker 5: Me, okay, it didn't hit me as hard as I
Speaker 5: heard people think, like it probably was real conversation, real thought.
Speaker 5: I will talk about whether the strategy that the strategy
Speaker 5: is correct right now because we are so close to
Speaker 5: election time at you know, think about when you're doing
Speaker 5: something wrong. If somebody come and start pointing out you
Speaker 5: right right now, it might take you a second to
Speaker 5: get there, Like your response might be a defensive one
Speaker 5: really quick, as opposed to I'm open and ready to
Speaker 5: receive this. So if we're trying to get people whose
Speaker 5: mindset is not correct, they may not be ready to receive.
Speaker 5: Like that message might not hit the person my family
Speaker 5: member who's talking about voting for Donald Trump. That message
Speaker 5: probably won't hit them in enough time.
Speaker 2: So so how do you think the message should have
Speaker 2: been delivered? Because I've seen people delivered in every way.
Speaker 2: So give me. Give me a message that you would
Speaker 2: give to black men right now that are telling you
Speaker 2: they're voting for Trump, that you think will resonate with them,
Speaker 2: that they would say, damn, you know what. Let me
Speaker 2: let me consider.
Speaker 5: So one, I think a lot of a lot of
Speaker 5: it is about turnout right now. So I think first
Speaker 5: of all, just Obama being present is a helpful thing.
Speaker 5: And I think we have to really talk about you
Speaker 5: can be your masculinity is not with the problem, that's
Speaker 5: not what the problems. And you can be a black
Speaker 5: man in this tent and she were alive with this,
Speaker 5: Like you have to talk about that. Just talking about
Speaker 5: the missogy right now, which is real, But tell telling
Speaker 5: the black man who has been sort of intoxicated by
Speaker 5: this other message that it's your misogyny. That's like when
Speaker 5: you're telling like you're telling a white person or you're racist.
Speaker 5: That's why, like automatically I might just shut it down
Speaker 5: even if it's true. So like so when I'm talking
Speaker 5: to like when I'm talking to white people about privilege,
Speaker 5: I tried to use the word the racist work because
Speaker 5: then I'm like, you think I'm calling you a racist,
Speaker 5: and I didn't. You might be, so I don't take
Speaker 5: it off the table. But that wasn't part of the conversation.
Speaker 5: So I try to talk about what's going on in life,
Speaker 5: how you show up, how I show up, What does
Speaker 5: that mean in America. That's a conversation. So I need
Speaker 5: to talk to just black men and black men and
Speaker 5: what we're facing, what you're facing, what is the issues
Speaker 5: in your life right now? Who's going to really assist
Speaker 5: with that? And that man didn't give you a check.
Speaker 5: That's a real conversation that people believe they got a
Speaker 5: check from Donald Trump and they did not. First of all,
Speaker 5: they got tax people's money, and Congress is the one
Speaker 5: that pass Donald Trump tried to hold it up to
Speaker 5: get his name out there. I think those are the
Speaker 5: conversations and getting to be honest, Getting people right now
Speaker 5: who represent quote unquote masculine I think will be helpful.
Speaker 5: That Bruce Springsteen thing was dope. I think, particularly for
Speaker 5: white men to see the boss out there, you need
Speaker 5: to get some more people like that that represent the strategy.
Speaker 2: Yep I said that you're definitely going to have masculine
Speaker 2: men that we're just in a level of masculinity that
Speaker 2: we don't see in the party right now.
Speaker 5: It's going to get people out on November fifth, and
Speaker 5: we can't mess up the strategy. So I don't really
Speaker 5: think his message was all that bad. To be honest,
Speaker 5: I see people responding to it. I think the strategy
Speaker 5: of it right now may not get.
Speaker 1: The impact that well.
Speaker 4: Just to be clear again, there's a targeting that is
Speaker 4: happening of black men on social media, and people need
Speaker 4: to know that so that when you feel this risceral
Speaker 4: reaction to things, you need to know like, why did
Speaker 4: I see this?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I'm saying that is.
Speaker 4: Because I saw a clip that I forwarded to a
Speaker 4: number of brothers that I saw in your I wouldn't
Speaker 4: go on in your Wow wild West comments section, but
Speaker 4: I saw some of our brothers in there trying to
Speaker 4: explain to you why Obama's comments were harmful or how
Speaker 4: they made people feel.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 4: He was talking to Republicans tear them up, and people
Speaker 4: were like, we never heard him say that. He was saying,
Speaker 4: you know, when did this become okay. Again, he was
Speaker 4: speaking to some Republicans, different time, same couple of days
Speaker 4: that he's outside talking to white folk, and he's like,
Speaker 4: when was it okay for lies? And you know, people
Speaker 4: are telling you over and over again the things you're saying,
Speaker 4: it's untrue, it's been proven, and they're still lying.
Speaker 1: When is it was that okay?
Speaker 4: I understand that there are people out here who don't
Speaker 4: agree with me, they never agreed with Obama, but now
Speaker 4: you've got a liar who's out here parroting hate. When
Speaker 4: was that okay for you? As a Republican? Answered that
Speaker 4: for me? Like the way he was speaking, he never
Speaker 4: he never, he's never done that, but I just I've
Speaker 4: never heard him do right. It was a tone that
Speaker 4: he had. He wasn't all crazy and you know, speaking
Speaker 4: like you and me, but.
Speaker 1: He still was.
Speaker 4: Making a very powerful point that people have not heard
Speaker 4: him this way. And it's in the comments section. Folks
Speaker 4: like Obama's piss right, even Michelle she was off the
Speaker 4: chain at the DNC, so you clearly you know that
Speaker 4: they have an energy about them. But this is what
Speaker 4: I just want to say. I think the problem with
Speaker 4: President Obama is not what he said. It's not who
Speaker 4: he was even talking to. I think the problem is
Speaker 4: that when people do not see you in their community
Speaker 4: until you come to chastise them about something that they're
Speaker 4: doing wrong. Like all of a sudden, it's election time
Speaker 4: and everybody's out here talking about misogyny and this, that
Speaker 4: and the third misogyny been going on.
Speaker 2: But I don't agree with that. That man was in
Speaker 2: the White House for eight years and he dealt with that.
Speaker 2: They called them tall baby, they called his wife a man,
Speaker 2: They disrespected.
Speaker 1: His children, they and those are things that happen too.
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to explain to you, for eight years,
Speaker 2: he earned the right to be able to come and say, okay,
Speaker 2: so how do you, as a black man, allow this
Speaker 2: man to disrespect you and then you say you're gonna
Speaker 2: support him. I think after a dealing with he deal
Speaker 2: with he has the right to.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I disagree with what he said.
Speaker 4: What I'm telling you is that if Jimiani, when you
Speaker 4: asked Jimny, what would he say?
Speaker 1: Right? Well, I respect what he said.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is the reason why more black men
Speaker 4: or black people might listen to you, and what you're
Speaker 4: saying is because you're touchable, you're reachable to them. So
Speaker 4: they feel like when you say things, you're not talking down.
Speaker 2: Because they don't see Jimny. This is the truth. We
Speaker 2: outside all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't see him hereabout me.
Speaker 2: Listen to me. I'm on the internet. I'm outside every day.
Speaker 2: I'm in the community. You ain't outside, well, you won't
Speaker 2: do nothing in your community. I'll be like, what are
Speaker 2: you even talking about? The internet will make up a story.
Speaker 3: We want to be.
Speaker 5: Careful about how much we're asking about leaders all the time.
Speaker 5: Sometimes we're asking a lot more than other people.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he has to do it all.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I'm saying if it were me and
Speaker 4: I was putting him in that space, I wouldn't have
Speaker 4: put him in there with cameras. I would put him
Speaker 4: on the road before today to not thirty day, six,
Speaker 4: twenty day, whatever the days are. I'm saying that this
Speaker 4: problem has been an issue, and so therefore it.
Speaker 3: Was a part of Hillary. I'm not a Hillary fan,
Speaker 3: but it was a.
Speaker 2: Part of it, right.
Speaker 4: So what I'm saying is I'm not I am not
Speaker 4: saying that the president. I don't think he said one
Speaker 4: thing wrong. I'm saying that the strategy has to be
Speaker 4: that we cannot wait until days before the election to
Speaker 4: go out and do that work. Maybe he is not
Speaker 4: going to be, like you said, moving around everywhere all
Speaker 4: the time, every day, but he certainly can have ballrooms
Speaker 4: of men that he's talking to twice a year that
Speaker 4: we can see, you know, him being he can do that.
Speaker 3: When you're saying these things.
Speaker 5: We have to have we have to have a conversation
Speaker 5: with empathy of why the person is feeling that way.
Speaker 3: And I think that would help.
Speaker 1: I gotta add that.
Speaker 3: You got to add the look.
Speaker 5: I understand why you feelings, but here's what the issues,
Speaker 5: because when you ignore the pain and the trauma, then
Speaker 5: you're not going to get through the person. And right
Speaker 5: now we really just coming in hot.
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's my point.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm trying to say. I'm saying
Speaker 1: that there's.
Speaker 4: Some work that you have to do before you are
Speaker 4: at the point of telling somebody what they're doing wrong.
Speaker 4: There's some other work that has to happen so that
Speaker 4: people are able to accept it a little bit better.
Speaker 4: Right And I know what you're saying. My song some
Speaker 4: people it doesn't matter. I just want to say one
Speaker 4: thing because you got to go. So we're talking about
Speaker 4: her being a woman, Kamala Harris being a woman in
Speaker 4: the misogyny right, But you also have a disability.
Speaker 1: That you talk about publicly.
Speaker 4: I wonder if you feel like you also, as a man,
Speaker 4: even though you're a man dealing with trying to do
Speaker 4: your job and also to rise in your political career,
Speaker 4: that disability is as harmful even as a man, as
Speaker 4: a woman trying to run for office and increase her
Speaker 4: or grow in her political career.
Speaker 5: I think everything is intersectional. So I think if you're
Speaker 5: running as a black person, you're gonna have some problems.
Speaker 5: If you're adding a black woman, you gonna have some problems.
Speaker 5: If you're adding with a disability, you're gonna have some problems. Thankfully,
Speaker 5: I was raised by a pretty strong black woman, Like
Speaker 5: there was just no real excuses whatever was going on.
Speaker 5: So that actually has some negatives to us another conversation.
Speaker 5: But I think on balance and have some positives or
Speaker 5: help you navigate through life. So yes, you know, my
Speaker 5: most interesting times if I'm on box, like all.
Speaker 1: Kinds of stuff that people say.
Speaker 3: Who's crazy? After a fox.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean the disability that the terrest syndrome
Speaker 5: and whatnot is is a thing, so I can't it's not.
Speaker 5: But it's also helped and inspire folks in a way
Speaker 5: that I would never imagine. There's people who've run for
Speaker 5: office literally because they saw me run like that. That
Speaker 5: gets me an emotion when I think about it, like
Speaker 5: it's crazy that you saw me do something and now
Speaker 5: literally told me I didn't know I have to rest
Speaker 5: and run. I ran because I saw you. That's some
Speaker 5: mind boggling and mind.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to listen.
Speaker 2: Present president might have The President is gonna have to
Speaker 2: reds you. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Happen and you're getting out of here.
Speaker 2: We just want to.
Speaker 1: New York City politics.
Speaker 4: But that's okay because you need to stay low and
Speaker 4: stay back.
Speaker 2: Asking the question if the time comes, are you prepared
Speaker 2: to be the mayor?
Speaker 3: You have to be prepared to be to be public advocate.
Speaker 5: So in every scenario someone becomes public advocate, you have
Speaker 5: to be prepared in case something happens.
Speaker 3: It's not something that you want because that means something bad.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: But I'm more than prepared to make sure, the continuenty
Speaker 5: government continues, people's trash gets picked up. That now eleven
Speaker 5: gets answered, through eleven gets answered. That's what people really
Speaker 5: want to hear. But with that, you know, people, there's
Speaker 5: two separate conversations. One is the mayor has a presumption
Speaker 5: of innocence, has a right to vigorously be defended. There's
Speaker 5: a separate question of whether you can hold that weight
Speaker 5: and be able to govern the city the way it
Speaker 5: needs to be governed. And criminality, aside the judgments that
Speaker 5: was made on the things that we all agree happened,
Speaker 5: is also criminality. Not another separate conversation, and those are
Speaker 5: real conversations.
Speaker 2: Shout out to our public advocate, Jiminy William.
Speaker 4: You know, I think we could have probably talked to
Speaker 4: your money a little bit more all.
Speaker 2: Night because I had some stuff to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I kind of felt I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I feel like we're all trying to do
Speaker 4: and say what is best in this moment. Because He's right,
Speaker 4: like everything you say, people are going to use as
Speaker 4: a reason to either feel inspired, which is what we want,
Speaker 4: or to feel like this is an excuse for me
Speaker 4: not to go do what I need to do on
Speaker 4: November fifth or beforehand. So I can feel that tension,
Speaker 4: like he's like, my team is telling me to be
Speaker 4: careful because you're talking about tearing the whole thing down.
Speaker 4: There's some people who will try to use that as
Speaker 4: a way to be like, well.
Speaker 2: I get it. I just think for me that we're
Speaker 2: in the time we didn't. Like I said it the
Speaker 2: other day, like they gotta be lines drawn in the sand, right,
Speaker 2: and in trying to make people like you that don't
Speaker 2: like you, it's never worked for nobody. It just has
Speaker 2: never worked. And some people like today Kamala released you know,
Speaker 2: agenda for black men, right, and before they said, what
Speaker 2: is her policies? Right? What are the tangibles? What is
Speaker 2: she offering the black man? And then these same people
Speaker 2: still have excuses, so it's like they're not looking for
Speaker 2: anything that can change their mind. They're just going to
Speaker 2: be contrary about everything. And you have to understand that
Speaker 2: there are certain people like there are I believe there
Speaker 2: are a demographic of men or people who generally just
Speaker 2: want to make sure the policies fit them, that they
Speaker 2: are is an agenda, there's tangibles. They feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party has left us out and haven't given
Speaker 2: us tangibles. But then I think there's people that just
Speaker 2: want to be anti right. So when I'm listening to
Speaker 2: the majority of people that we are in conflict with
Speaker 2: from from my perspective, there's one or two people here
Speaker 2: or there that they were like, well, I don't I
Speaker 2: don't know agree with this, and I don't agree with this,
Speaker 2: and they have certain points, and when you have conversations,
Speaker 2: there's a dialogue back and forth, even if we agree
Speaker 2: to disagree. They're listening to facts, right, They're giving you
Speaker 2: their opinion, but they're not trying to deny facts. When
Speaker 2: people are denying facts because they just want to be
Speaker 2: contrary to something, I don't have the time for that
Speaker 2: type of dollarge. And those type of people I don't
Speaker 2: even I know they're not gonna be with me, right,
Speaker 2: So I don't have the energy or I'm not even
Speaker 2: trying to push you to be with me. I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna grab the people that's with me and continue to
Speaker 2: build with them. And that's what we have to do
Speaker 2: in this moment. I think there's some people that's too far,
Speaker 2: and a lot of them don't vote anyway. They just
Speaker 2: want to. They literally just come to the internet just
Speaker 2: to get any type of energy in conversation.
Speaker 4: But there's some people that are going to vote this
Speaker 4: particular time, even if they've never done it before, just
Speaker 4: to be able to satisfy their need to inflict some
Speaker 4: type of like pain on a woman. Like there are
Speaker 4: people who never voted before and now they're gonna get
Speaker 4: up and be like, oh, I'm gonna do it this
Speaker 4: time and a lot of time. You know, we didn't
Speaker 4: get a chance to talk about the trauma that is
Speaker 4: well he Jimani did touch on it, but the uh,
Speaker 4: there is a trauma associated with some people who have
Speaker 4: experienced negative of who have had negative experiences with their mother,
Speaker 4: right pain from their mother, pain.
Speaker 1: From a woman that hurt them.
Speaker 4: You know, I talk about my experience as a woman,
Speaker 4: I've been hurt by black men, and I'm not talking
Speaker 4: about he broke my heart.
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm talking about. I got other stuff.
Speaker 4: That we won't even get into today, because the last
Speaker 4: thing I want is people out there like, oh, Tamika
Speaker 4: is poling on and now she want to talk about
Speaker 4: these terrible, horrific incidents. But I'm not talking about he
Speaker 4: broke my heart. He was my boyfriend and he slept
Speaker 4: with somebody else, or he decided he didn't want to
Speaker 4: be with me anymore. That's cool, but that's not what
Speaker 4: I'm talking about. I'm telling my real serious harm that
Speaker 4: has been done to me. But there's black men that
Speaker 4: experienced that with black women as well.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: My mother used to tell me all the time. And
Speaker 4: here I am saying some stuff I ain't supposed to say.
Speaker 4: But my mother used to tell me all the time
Speaker 4: that when she used to be like, don't I don't
Speaker 4: like that babysitter, don't leave to rake far, I don't
Speaker 4: like the way she looks, I don't like the way
Speaker 4: she dressed in the house with him. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: it's a woman. And I remember my mother saying to me,
Speaker 4: y'all are confused. If you think that only men harm
Speaker 4: children or little girls, boys are harmed by women as well.
Speaker 4: So some of our brothers have experiences with women, and
Speaker 4: every time they get with a new woman or have
Speaker 4: an opportunity or in space with the woman, they want
Speaker 4: to repay or take out on this woman what they've
Speaker 4: gone through. And it still it just feels like black
Speaker 4: people need a hug together, like we need a big
Speaker 4: universal hug because of the pain that we're experiencing.
Speaker 1: I agree, or we have.
Speaker 2: Experience, I agree. I agree that we got to give
Speaker 2: each other grace, you know, and we have to love
Speaker 2: each other. And that's why are open up every I
Speaker 2: said that I love my brothers, and I want you
Speaker 2: to understand that. So even when I'm I'm pulling you up, right,
Speaker 2: it's not it's not cancel culture. It's counsel culture. Right.
Speaker 2: I don't want to call you out and want to
Speaker 2: call you in, you know, because when I see something
Speaker 2: that's wrong, but we can't ignore that it's wrong. And
Speaker 2: that's that was my whole point with Obama. And I
Speaker 2: hear what everybody says, you know, in this time, it's
Speaker 2: just but I'm looking at from the lens that that
Speaker 2: man is looking and he's saying, damn. I was in
Speaker 2: the White House House for eight years and y'all didn't
Speaker 2: see what they did to me. They try to publicly
Speaker 2: lynch me. They discredited me on everything, they went against
Speaker 2: everything I did. They called me out of my names,
Speaker 2: and I still walked with my head up and I
Speaker 2: still represent us properly. And for me, to leave this
Speaker 2: White House right with one of one of the best
Speaker 2: approval ratings in history. And then y'all tell me you're
Speaker 2: gonna vote a man that had the worst appool weight
Speaker 2: in the history back in office, that disrespects you, that
Speaker 2: disrespects you, and you tell me that you are going
Speaker 2: to promote empower that like, that's like a slapping that
Speaker 2: that that gotta hurt your soul because I know that
Speaker 2: me being on the front lines every day fighting for
Speaker 2: black men, fighting for black women, fighting for black people,
Speaker 2: and seeing them come attack me for a white supremacists,
Speaker 2: is it hurts. I know. He goes to his Instagram
Speaker 2: page too, and he sees hundreds if not that because
Speaker 2: he got millions and see hundreds of thousand people attacking
Speaker 2: him telling them that this present is better, and it's
Speaker 2: it's it's like a slap in the face. That's why
Speaker 2: when you hear them speaking, when you hear Michelle, she like,
Speaker 2: we done went through all this. We know, like we
Speaker 2: get all it. We we tie to the bullshit, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, And it's and we were and
Speaker 2: we're not understanding just how detrimental it is this rhetoric is.
Speaker 2: We're not understanding just how serious the times we are in.
Speaker 2: And I think he understands this seriousness that he he
Speaker 2: ain't coming out here just to be the good Hey,
Speaker 2: you know we go loaded. They not with that no
Speaker 2: more because they realized we had a whole different time.
Speaker 2: You're talking about somebody to rewrite the constitution, somebody that
Speaker 2: wants to utilize the military to impose its will on
Speaker 2: the people, like this shit is not a joke, that's
Speaker 2: not a game, because you want to prove like this
Speaker 2: is serious, this is not okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I think when when you come from that lens,
Speaker 2: when you when you that's what I identify. I don't identify
Speaker 2: with the politically correct, because that's what we're told about
Speaker 2: politically correct. You know, you got to say this to that.
Speaker 2: I played basketball my whole life. My coaches they didn't.
Speaker 2: They wasn't the politically correct. They were saying, you ain't
Speaker 2: doing shit on that court. He's busting your ass and
Speaker 2: if you don't do something, he gonna they gonna, you
Speaker 2: gonna lose. I'm not here to baby you. You're a
Speaker 2: grown man. You seventeen eighteen, you're gonna be a man,
Speaker 2: and in real life, that's how I survived. I was
Speaker 2: in prison with other men that if I was baby,
Speaker 2: then somebody said it there wrong with them. They would
Speaker 2: have took advantage of me, they would extorted me, they
Speaker 2: would have did what they wanted to me. But I
Speaker 2: I was I had the level of love where men
Speaker 2: talk to me like men and they treated me like
Speaker 2: a So I was able to survive in any situation.
Speaker 4: But I think that's the I think that's the problem,
Speaker 4: is that the survival factor has been is tearing at
Speaker 4: the fabric of our community and also of yeap of
Speaker 4: us individually and collectively. Because what I came in here
Speaker 4: saying today and what's been on my heart since this,
Speaker 4: I woke up this morning with it, I went to
Speaker 4: bed with it. I went to bed sending a clip
Speaker 4: of Simone Sanders Show where she was on with Michael
Speaker 4: Steele and another woman that I can't remember what her
Speaker 4: name is. And in this clip, I didn't even send
Speaker 4: it to any men. I just sent it to all women.
Speaker 4: And in this clip it said it was about Ron
Speaker 4: DeSantis in Florida wanting to arrest people from radio stations.
Speaker 1: That allowed or that are playing political ad.
Speaker 4: That to vote against repealing abortion right. And then so
Speaker 4: a woman who's sitting up there telling her story and
Speaker 4: the ad about how she was gonna lose. She would
Speaker 4: lose her life, the baby would die, and obviously she
Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to take care of her daughter anymore
Speaker 4: if she did not enter pregnancy. And how in Florida,
Speaker 4: the more the restrictive the laws have become restrictive, she
Speaker 4: can't actually, she would not be able to get an abortion.
Speaker 4: And I've sent it to some women that I know
Speaker 4: are like, either they're not going to vote at all,
Speaker 4: they're frustrated or whatever, because there's a lot of women
Speaker 4: that also don't like other women leaders just don't. And
Speaker 4: when I sent it out, my thing was, Trump is
Speaker 4: nothing that you played with. This is not a joke.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So when I came in here today, I walked in
Speaker 4: here saying to you, now, I'm starting to think about myself.
Speaker 4: I have been as an activist, as a leader. My
Speaker 4: entire life has been about fighting for other people, fighting
Speaker 4: for other people and for the majority until we at
Speaker 4: until freedom, became very intentional about working on cases for
Speaker 4: black women. At one point I was doing most of
Speaker 4: my work probably ninety five percent of it for black men.
Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, after this weekend, the things
Speaker 4: that I've watched, the things I've been seeing, the things
Speaker 4: I've been hearing, the conversations that I've been having. I
Speaker 4: walked in here feeling like I need to think about
Speaker 4: myself and my own survival. And I feel like so
Speaker 4: many of the brothers that I hear are saying the
Speaker 4: same thing. And that is because white supremacy has caused
Speaker 4: a situation where people just trying to survive. They just
Speaker 4: trying to figure out how can I I'm tired. You
Speaker 4: don't want me to go to prison. This is the
Speaker 4: way I try to think this through. I'm a black man,
Speaker 4: you telling me, don't go to prison, don't do this,
Speaker 4: don't do that.
Speaker 1: But then everywhere I go to work, everything.
Speaker 4: That I try to do to be on the come up,
Speaker 4: people are beating me down, mistreating me, you know, talking
Speaker 4: to me crazy. I see so many black men saying like, damn,
Speaker 4: you know, you.
Speaker 1: Go to work.
Speaker 4: You got whoever your boss is, white man, black person,
Speaker 4: whoever it is mistreating you, talking to you crazy, making
Speaker 4: you feel lessing yourself.
Speaker 1: You go home. You're dealing with the same things.
Speaker 4: So after a while, I think everybody is getting in
Speaker 4: their survival bag and you are still you and others
Speaker 4: are still trying to think about what is this going
Speaker 4: to mean for all of us?
Speaker 1: Right? And I think that's where the conflict is coming from.
Speaker 4: And we have to be able to acknowledge that we
Speaker 4: did not create these circumstances.
Speaker 1: We're trying to live within.
Speaker 4: Them, right, Like I would imagine that people they hear
Speaker 4: me say, black women are not even in the pulpit
Speaker 4: in many churches, right, can't even preach on Sundays. They
Speaker 4: can only do announce meant and maybe read a scripture.
Speaker 4: And sometimes that has to be done from down down
Speaker 4: on the floor of the church. It can't even be
Speaker 4: up in the pulpit. That is actually policy in some
Speaker 4: denominations in their churches, right. And I would imagine that
Speaker 4: in their mind it gave the men power.
Speaker 1: It gave the men power. Right, when you ain't got
Speaker 1: power nowhere else, then what can you What do you
Speaker 1: have to do?
Speaker 4: You have to create social constructs within your own community
Speaker 4: that gives you power.
Speaker 1: And I think people and their handmaids.
Speaker 4: Tell mindset believe that if Donald Trump becomes president, then
Speaker 4: they have access to power.
Speaker 1: It's a dangerous thing. I just think you don't get it.
Speaker 2: I don't get it at all. And that's what I
Speaker 2: don't get. I don't get the mind state that makes
Speaker 2: you believe.
Speaker 1: But you do get it because I just explained it
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: I still don't get it. Like I hear what you're saying,
Speaker 2: But I don't understand how you think that that man
Speaker 2: helps your survival because everything he is about is anti us.
Speaker 2: So how do you think that you think that when
Speaker 2: he talks about all of these things he gonna do
Speaker 2: and that they're gonna positively affect you as a black man.
Speaker 1: But that's what they thought in the Handmaids Tell.
Speaker 4: See in Handmaids Tell, what you said you watched in
Speaker 4: Handmaids Tell.
Speaker 1: That's what they believed, my son.
Speaker 4: The black men sided with them white men because they
Speaker 4: felt like, Okay, you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Put me on the chain of power.
Speaker 4: The white women agreed to it because they believe that
Speaker 4: if their husbands were in power and put them in
Speaker 4: a position of power that some you know, that would
Speaker 4: elevate them right, and then there would be a bottom class.
Speaker 4: So that is what people think. It's not they think
Speaker 4: in their mind. Yet I know the white women knew
Speaker 4: that they were not being told they were gonna be equals.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't understand how black men accept it. I
Speaker 2: don't un that's what That's what I don't get. I
Speaker 2: don't understand how black men have accepted that somebody believes
Speaker 2: that they're better than you. Right, I don't understand how
Speaker 2: you look at the dynamic, how how there's the thing.
Speaker 2: Every time I think about this shit, it reminds me
Speaker 2: of the djingle. I see Trump on the stage and
Speaker 2: I see Tim Scott, and Trump is telling Tim Scott
Speaker 2: about the I think it's the governor.
Speaker 1: Who who Mark Crop or the man who's trying to
Speaker 1: be govern.
Speaker 2: No, the person who nominated him to be senator, like
Speaker 2: she chose him as a lady. She chose. He said, well,
Speaker 2: she's not gonna feel too good. You know that you're
Speaker 2: with me and she the one that got you in office.
Speaker 2: And he said, I just love you, I just love you,
Speaker 2: and he just looked at him. So every time I
Speaker 2: think about Donald Trump and I think about the relationship
Speaker 2: to black man, I think about the scene from the Djengle, right,
Speaker 2: and I think about him on the stage with Senator
Speaker 2: Tim Scott, and Trump is telling Tim Scott about Nicki Haley.
Speaker 2: You know, he's saying, you know, she's not gonna be
Speaker 2: too happy that you're endorsing me, especially you're from her state,
Speaker 2: and she's probably a person that endorsed you or whatever.
Speaker 2: And he walks up to the side of him and
Speaker 2: he just looks at him. He said, I just love you,
Speaker 2: and he might as well said boss. He might have
Speaker 2: said boss. He said, I just love you. I just
Speaker 2: love you. And Trump looks at him like a peasant,
Speaker 2: and he just walks off to the side. And this
Speaker 2: is and when I every time I see that vision
Speaker 2: in my head, I say to myself, how do black
Speaker 2: men look at that and feel in powered? How don't
Speaker 2: you feel disrespected? How doesn't that bother you? How doesn't
Speaker 2: that make your blood boil you? When you know he said?
Speaker 2: And then the clip that I posted today, I love
Speaker 2: the black men, black men, black men, I love you,
Speaker 2: they love me this and that, And it's like he
Speaker 2: just mocks you. He talks about you in a way
Speaker 2: that's less than it every time he can, and y'all
Speaker 2: still trying to promote him, and it's like embarrassing and
Speaker 2: So for me, it's like, you're not offended by that,
Speaker 2: but it offends you that Obama could say, why would
Speaker 2: you let that man disrespect you and still support that
Speaker 2: made you feel like he was talking down to you,
Speaker 2: But it don't make you feel down when every city
Speaker 2: that black people.
Speaker 4: And he could tell you, oh, you identify with me
Speaker 4: because of my mugshot, because he's.
Speaker 2: Reducing, deducing when he's sneakers. You want to give you
Speaker 2: a platinum that don't bother you.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.
Speaker 4: That's the thing, my son, that I have a real
Speaker 4: problem with with some of our people. I noticed that
Speaker 4: they always got some kind of smoke for a woman
Speaker 4: they post about her, but they don't they don't know
Speaker 4: where to find the clips.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's another thing. And I'm gonna end
Speaker 2: in and I'm ended here, and this is this pretty
Speaker 2: much ended. This is what I don't get. I don't
Speaker 2: get how men that we cold and high regard, that
Speaker 2: have supposed to have, you know, love for our people,
Speaker 2: like Lord Jamal and Judge Joe Brown could call that
Speaker 2: woman out her name merely for running for president because
Speaker 2: you might agree with her, you know her politics, But
Speaker 2: why call that woman on her name. Hearing doctor Umar
Speaker 2: just talk about her in a manner that we don't
Speaker 2: have to vote for her, and she ain't do this,
Speaker 2: and and she's a a Tom or some whatever he say.
Speaker 2: He called us some name or tom or something. It's like, why, why, why,
Speaker 2: why do you feel that much vitriol for a woman
Speaker 2: just for running for president? And these are Black people
Speaker 2: that that have some level of esteem in our community.
Speaker 2: And it's like, I understand how you feel. Understand why
Speaker 2: women don't feel protected, because I wouldn't either. I would
Speaker 2: not feel protected if I heard men that I want
Speaker 2: respected and held in high regard speaking on women like
Speaker 2: black women.
Speaker 1: And I think it's women in general.
Speaker 2: Just exactly you Black hurts me because it's a black
Speaker 2: person you and they're supposed to be a level of
Speaker 2: brother and sisterhood that you know, people tell me that
Speaker 2: we're not supposed to expect that the whing in this
Speaker 2: era as a black person, we should not expect brother
Speaker 2: and sisterhood everybody else does, every other culture does for
Speaker 2: black people. We are not of my lists and all
Speaker 2: skin for all these all of the words and that
Speaker 2: you know, the trendy words that they use to just
Speaker 2: keep us disconnected. We utilize them all for ourselves no more.
Speaker 2: We don't even let them say it now. We utilize
Speaker 2: all of these trendy words. So it really bothers me
Speaker 2: when I see this level of disconnect, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to keep speaking about it, and I want us to
Speaker 2: fix it. I'm going to speak about it because I
Speaker 2: want us to fix it. There's no way that you
Speaker 2: and other women that we love and respect should not
Speaker 2: feel valued and I should not feel protected by us.
Speaker 1: Well, there's that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I appreciate it. I think it's just important.
Speaker 4: It's all the truth. And with this platform, I have
Speaker 4: no choice but to say the truth. And I and
Speaker 4: I know what the conversations are that I'm having with
Speaker 4: other black women. They tell me, girl, my man is
Speaker 4: a good man, because this is not about one on
Speaker 4: one relationships, right, this is not about that my father
Speaker 4: is the best man in the world. I'm well protected.
Speaker 4: I'm well protected by my unto a freedom family. I'm
Speaker 4: well protected by all of that. But that's not the
Speaker 4: protection I'm talking about. I'm talking about culture. Culture, a
Speaker 4: culture of misogyny that allows women to be abused, disrespected, degraded,
Speaker 4: and we have to put on a masculine armor to
Speaker 4: fight for and defend ourselves because we do not.
Speaker 1: You know, like I said, I got women. That's te
Speaker 1: let me girl.
Speaker 4: My husband is a great husband, but or not, but
Speaker 4: because their husband is a great husband. So that's not
Speaker 4: what I'm talking about. When I'm on social media, or
Speaker 4: when I'm out talking to other men, or when I'm
Speaker 4: on my job, or when I'm at school and I
Speaker 4: listen to the way these men speak, I'm scared. I'm afraid,
Speaker 4: and that's a scary thing.
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