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Speaker 1: make the cost so high that they recognize that that

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Speaker 1: when combined with the military support, is just too much

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Speaker 1: and they have to withdraw. Poodin is not there yet though.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately I understand your point of view, Joel, but I

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Speaker 1: mean that that was the argument between Democrats and Republicans.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just I was I thought that was not

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Speaker 1: that up? Yeah? And let me quote a Secretary Anthony

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Speaker 1: And I think we've seen this White House, whether it's

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Speaker 1: American people as well as with our allies and understand

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Speaker 1: what he is the plan. You know, I don't see

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Speaker 1: it from what has come out of Brussels today of

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Speaker 1: how we get out of this mess. Simply, you know,

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Speaker 1: adding more sanctions on, trying to uh, you know, put

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Speaker 1: um the statements out isn't going to end it. Even

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Speaker 1: several Republican members of the Senate agree with Brett, and

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Speaker 1: I want to ask both of you about this politics

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Speaker 1: stopping at the water's edge. Not so much this time.

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Speaker 1: Joel and Brett are with us for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the hour our Foreign Policy Panel on sound on. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. So no

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Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It was Republican Senator

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Speaker 1: Arthur Vandenberg, who, as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations

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Speaker 1: Committee many decades ago, said politics stops at the water's edge.

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Speaker 1: You know that line, Well, that was back during the

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Speaker 1: Truman administration, and of course a few things have changed

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Speaker 1: as we reassembled the panel with Joel Rubin, former Deputy

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Speaker 1: Brett Bruin is here to Global Situation Room President, former

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Speaker 1: Director of Global Engagements in the Obama White House. It's

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Speaker 1: great to have both of you here, and I just

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Speaker 1: couldn't help but to see some of the statements and

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Speaker 1: the tweets today criticizing President Biden. Ben Sass, the mild

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Speaker 1: mannered senator from Nebraska, had one says talking more about

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Speaker 1: unity or anything else will not help Ukraine defeat Russian invaders.

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Speaker 1: The President still needs to outline a strategy for Zelinski

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Speaker 1: to win and Putin to lose. Lindsey Graham took it

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Speaker 1: to another level on Twitter. A month into this fight

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Speaker 1: for freedom, President Biden has yet to embrace victory for

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Speaker 1: Ukraine and has no coherent strategy to bring that about.

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Speaker 1: He is always playing catch up and explaining what he

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Speaker 1: will not do. So much for the water's edge, Joel,

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Speaker 1: who is this helping well? First of all, I wonder

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Speaker 1: where they were during four years of Donald Trump's presidency.

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Speaker 1: When when they left press and Trump give away the

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Speaker 1: sort of Vladimir Putin diplomatically, and UH supported him in

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Speaker 1: partisan politics, well, look is a strong strategy. And and

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Speaker 1: the thing about it is that Congress hasn't yet passed

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Speaker 1: Americans from buying Russian oil and it called for a

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Speaker 1: I love Congress. I worked with Congress for years, but um,

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Speaker 1: at the water's edges. That I mean, am I just

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Speaker 1: being old fashioned? Brett? I realized the answer might be yes,

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Speaker 1: We're just beyond that. Now it doesn't matter anymore. Well,

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Speaker 1: But I would say that the President does have to

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Speaker 1: try with our allies to bring this crisis to a

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Speaker 1: we start talking about what we will do to rebuild Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: because that is a motivator for the Ukrainians, especially if

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Speaker 1: the fight, we have to give them something to fight for. Uh. Look,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot that we can say about this, Joel,

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Speaker 1: But does it we can the president abroad this kind

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Speaker 1: of talk. Oh, I think it. It hurts into a

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Speaker 1: certain extent, but I think the president's strength in America's

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Speaker 1: image abroad by Leason Brown's not just image but actions.

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Speaker 1: We've never seen a more unified NATO. We have our

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Speaker 1: in supporting the Ukrainian military right now on sanctions. So

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Speaker 1: it hurts them a little bit. But I think that

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Speaker 1: overseas people understand as well that American politics, American politics,

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Speaker 1: this president has a strong position right now. Well, he

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Speaker 1: the potential for Donald Trump to be reelected and what

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Speaker 1: his his European allies as an American. Uh, we're concerned

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Speaker 1: The President had an interesting response to that question. The

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Speaker 1: and I said America's act and one of the one

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Speaker 1: how long? For how long? And so I don't blame

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't criticize anybody for asking that question.

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Speaker 1: But the next election, I'd be very fortunate if I

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Speaker 1: had that same man running against me. Okay, you get

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Speaker 1: the last four seconds of that one more time. The

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Speaker 1: same man running against me, says from the stage in Brussels.

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Speaker 1: He'd be fortunate to run against Donald Trump again, Joel,

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Speaker 1: do you agree? Well, he beat him by over seven

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Speaker 1: million votes the first time, and so you know there's

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Speaker 1: no reason to think he wouldn't do it again. Was

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Speaker 1: he bothered by that question? Why go there at at

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Speaker 1: a NATO summit? Well? I I think what we're seeing

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Speaker 1: is is Joe Biden is doing a lot of cleanup

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's mess over the past year in Europe,

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Speaker 1: and and so he is evincing a position that says

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Speaker 1: and I beat that guy. In fact, I can beat

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Speaker 1: He definitely has a good egge to him when he

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Speaker 1: years away, Brett, Is it? Is it? Uh? Is it

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Speaker 1: a waste of time for the commander in chiefs to

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Speaker 1: your predecessor, let alone to try to goa to him

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Speaker 1: in chief in these moments of global crises to keep

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Speaker 1: the country focused in that direction. And it's one of

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Speaker 1: the things that um Biden I do think needs to

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Speaker 1: step up his game and reaching out across the aisle

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Speaker 1: and trying to build a strong coalition. And look, this

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Speaker 1: will ultimately benefit Democrats if he can show that he

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Speaker 1: critical threats facing the country. So let's leave some of

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry with a respect. As soon as Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 1: he rejected that forcefully. But taken there. But how about

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Speaker 1: Brett's point about working with Republicans in Washington on sanctions

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Speaker 1: think on Ukraine you're seeing tremendous amount of bipartisan cooperation,

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Speaker 1: many issues, including in the Judiciary Committee yesterday, in the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court nominee. But yeah, we've got ninety plus percent

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Speaker 1: in which is a strong signal to Europe that Americans

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Speaker 1: forward a martial plan esk agenda for how Ukraine and

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Speaker 1: That work has to start now. We have to start

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Speaker 1: looking at what it is going to take and I

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Speaker 1: can work together. We also, as I was saying at

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Speaker 1: beyond just the symbolic gestures that we've taken. We've got

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Speaker 1: to rebuild some of that capacity for public diplomacy, for

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Speaker 1: ensuring that in these moments of global threat, we have

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Speaker 1: the structures in order to push back against disinformation. What

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Speaker 1: a great panel. I love talking to you guys, Joel

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Speaker 1: Reuben Brett Bruin. This needs to happen again our foreign

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Speaker 1: policy panel. Thanks to both of you for being here.

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Speaker 1: Joel's former deputy Assistant Secretary of State Obama and Bush administrations.

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Speaker 1: Brett had experience in the Obama White House as director

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Speaker 1: of Global Engagement IS Presidents and of the I should say,

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Speaker 1: Global Situation Room. Great talk. You don't hear versations like

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Speaker 1: these anywhere else. That's why you're here on the fastest

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Speaker 1: hour in politics. And before it's over, I want to

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Speaker 1: hear from Nita. March is Women's History Month, and we've

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Speaker 1: Let's turn now to our installment for Thursday March with

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Speaker 1: Lucid becomes the first female US astronaut to live aboard

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Speaker 1: board the Mirror, Lucid helped complete several physical science and

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Speaker 1: life science experiments. She returned to Earth on September twenty

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Speaker 1: six of that year after completing her fifth mission. Lucid

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Speaker 1: She received her Bachelor of Science degree in chemistry from

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Speaker 1: the University of Oklahoma. Then she earned a Masters of

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Speaker 1: Science and Doctor of Philosophy in biochemistry. That's today in

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