WEBVTT - Part One: The Dr. Laura Episodes 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:05.800 Media. I miss the days when I felt like I 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:09.080 could just open a podcast by asking, what's boiling my 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:13.520 pig anuses or something along those lines. You know, I 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:16.040 we've we've we've achieved a lot of success over the 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.480 last five or six years here at behind the Mastards. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.079 We've risen to the top of our field. You know, 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:28.280 we we're beloved by all influential, powerful, mighty. But that 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.800 that comes with a corresponding loss of power, you know, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.839 the power to be yourself right, really, the power to 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:40.839 experiment goes away as one becomes a caricature of themselves. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.640 And so I understand a lot of the troubles facing 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.600 President Biden today. That's that's really what I want to 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:52.360 say with the opening of this podcast. Wow, I was 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.880 thinking about Joe Biden because I was thinking about our 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.920 old what's boiling my pig anus'es intro and he his 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.480 skin does look a little bit like a boiled gainus. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.120 I thought you were going to say that he peaked 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.320 around the same time that we peaked with our intros, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.680 which is when you said what's cracking my peppers? 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:08.560 So many years ago? 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:13.240 That was one of your best intros ever. That was Yeah, 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.880 that was several lifetimes ago for all of us. But 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.560 it stuck it in my heart, you know. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.319 M It's stuck in my heart the way that a 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:26.240 boiled pig anus sticks in a restaurant that does not 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.720 have enough money for calamari. Look it up, does really, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:32.720 that's what they do. 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:33.720 That's fascinating. 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.760 They bred pig auses and fry them in places that 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.880 don't want to spend money on calamari. If you've ever 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.959 had cheap calamari bread, solid chance it's a pig aus. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.120 Yeah, you know, I've I'm less bothered by that than 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.840 I would like to be. I feel like if I 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.800 got gotten in that way, and I've had some cheap calamari, 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.640 so I certainly have. You know, the texture just makes 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.560 sense to me in my mind, it makes sense. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:01:59.520 M h. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.480 Well, I've just never been more thrilled to have an 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.080 allergy to gluten. So, but I don't have to encounter 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:15.560 accidental piginus when I want calamari, and people who push. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:20.400 Okay, you can use a gluten free breading, but I 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.160 would will not be very good. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:22.600 You know. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.600 If people want to if people want to drill down 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.600 my political intentions here, I would say that Joe Biden's 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.800 skin has the look of pig ainus that was bredded 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.600 in a healthy, gluten free batter, whereas Trump's it's one 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.799 of those like it's like not not the good batter. 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.040 It's like the off brand Panco and it's just it's 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:46.160 loaded with gluten. You know, it's it's not not great 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.400 for you, as opposed to the healthy Joe Biden pig aus. 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.160 Okay, you've made your political stance abundantly clear. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.920 Thank you. Journalists are supposed to stay inscrutable, so I 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.800 hope this hasn't ruined my credibility. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.560 No, people are gonna have to break this down second 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.840 by a second to know exactly when Robert Evans revealed his. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.520 Biased Now, speaking of anuses, do you know who's a 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:17.280 big asshole? No, tell me the subject of our episodes today, Jamie, 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.160 because this week we are talking about doctor Laura slashinger. 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:22.760 Wow. 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.800 Yeah, yeah, that's right, baby, that's right. It's the Doctor 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:32.400 Laura episodes. Oh excited? What do you know about doctor Laura? 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.520 What do I know about doctor Laura? I mean, I 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.360 don't know. I feel like she is not someone that 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:44.640 I have had a close relationship with. I would say 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.840 I know that she is missus self help. I know 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:53.200 that she does. If my understanding is correct, she is 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:57.320 a self help person who primarily caters to women, but 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.200 also hates all women, including herself. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.560 Is that right, Yeah, that would be a good way 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.200 of describing her. She is like the most hostile to 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:12.360 women of any major woman like media influencer that I 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:13.080 can recall. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.000 There's like, really is saying something that there's a lot to. 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.279 Be said about, like the toxicity in some of the people, 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.800 a lot of the people that, for example, Oprah has 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.200 brought on her show. Right, there are a lot of 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:27.160 valid criticisms, but Oprah's her whole kind of thing is positivity. 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.280 You should feel good about yourself, you should feel good. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.400 And you know, she mixes that in with some like 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.159 dangerous dieting tips and stuff, But that doesn't change the 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.200 fact that, oh, yeah. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.080 She's trying to kill you. But like, also, I can 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.160 never really divorce myself with Oprah from the idea that 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:45.120 she doesn't I don't know that she like is pilled 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.360 enough by the culture that she pushes. Yeah that I'm 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.280 never fully sure if she knows how much she's hurting 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.599 her audience from what I've heard of lauras Schlessinger. She 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.200 doesn't really have an issue. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:03.240 She she has a powerful issue, and I think dissecting 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.640 that is going to be an interesting part of this. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.640 But first, that's the cold open. When we come back 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:18.159 more Doctor Laura, and we're back Jamie. 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.080 To be clear, I didn't mean that she has she 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.400 doesn't have an issue, huh. I meant that she doesn't 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.680 have an issue with hating her audience openly. 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.320 Yeah, no, no, no, no, Well, you know what, I 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.880 would question that because what she hates is her callers. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.520 The point of being in her audience is to hate 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.040 her callers with her, right. That's kind of the core 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.880 of Doctor Laura is she is she is providing you 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:48.400 with this rapid fire hose of women making bad decisions, 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.680 and even if they're not women making bad decisions, she 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.919 is going to like attack them before they have a 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.719 chance to fully explain their situation so that you feel 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.560 like they're women making bad decisions. It's we'll be talking 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.760 about this more. But what doctor Laura offered starting in 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.760 the late eighties and early nineties was the same thing 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:10.880 that we get on Twitter when you wake up every 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.360 morning and there's someone who had a really bad take 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.719 or said something like stupid or crazy, and the entire world, 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.599 or at least your entire online social circle, is making 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.680 fun of them. That is what doctor Laura offered. She 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.000 just offered the version of it that existed in a 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.080 world where the radio was the only way to really 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.720 get something like that. Everybody gets to have there. I 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.479 don't know, two hours hate listening to like the bad 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:37.000 life choices of primarily young women having kids too early 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.960 or who cheating on their boyfriends, serving their boyfriends cheat 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.800 on them, right, but that is what that is what 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:44.200 the appeal of her show was. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.640 Okay, that makes sense. So I'm not extremely familiar with 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.120 the radio show, but that does make I feel like 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:57.360 there should be more examined about the radio host harassment 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:02.560 to internet harassment pipe line. I was recently talking to 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.960 the feminist vegan named Carol Adams, who is like awesome. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.960 She read this book called The Sexual Politics of Meat, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.400 so I'm sure she would love the piggy in this 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:15.600 discussion we just had. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.840 As a courageous title. I'm going to give it to her. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.160 You have to be confident in your book to throw 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.320 that out there. I really respect that she is unbelievably steel. 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.880 Like No. I met her at a hot dog convention. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:31.200 She's really fucking I. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.800 Met her at a hot dog Amazing stuff, Jamie, Look. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.040 I'm coming in hot today. I met her at a 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.880 hot dog convention and she was, you know, she's famously 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.360 a vegan and was trying to, you know, sort of 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.600 preach the gospel about vegan hot dogs. But I was 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.320 talking to her about how she is because she is 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.800 in her seventies, I think, and she had been harassed 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.680 for big you know, people hate feminists and vegans, and 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.200 so they always came after her because the title of 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.560 her book is so cool and so it was like 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.120 she had to deal with Rush Limbaugh harassment in you know, 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:10.120 the nineties and then like the warped like Jordan Peterson 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.520 version of that same harassment. But it's the same playbook. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.440 And if you're wondering, listener, I'm going to guess doctor 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.320 Laura is a big enough name. I think probably a 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.320 majority of people are familiar with who she is and 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:25.000 broad but she she was is still to this day, 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.400 although now mostly on podcasts, a major radio talk show 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:33.160 host whose primary thing was giving women advice, not just women, 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.960 but mostly women. Advice on their lives, right, and she 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.560 was very mean about it. She is a precursor to 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.240 Jordan Peterson, Doctor Jordan Peterson. I don't know if he 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.960 doesn't become a celebrity without Doctor Laura, but it's a 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.400 harder road for him because she did. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:51.520 It. 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.520 Had a major role in building a place not just 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:57.360 in the media but in the right wing for a 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:02.959 wildly successful like hop therapist who is primarily telling you 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.480 you need to clean your room. Right, that's doctor Laura. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.360 And that's that's Jordan Peterson. Now he takes things. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.839 Book girl washer face, Sophie, do you remember that one? 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:16.480 Yeah? No, doctor Laura's ten. Yeah, that's a different one. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:17.160 I read it. 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.040 Doctor Laura's book, which we'll hear from this episode is 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.920 ten stupid things women do to mess up their lives? Right. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.320 Oh wow, I am. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:30.400 Very yes, Goleseller. So I want to get into this. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.280 I want to talk about who doctor Laura meant to 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.880 me first, because I we're gonna do something a little 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.640 different here. We're going to play some interstittal clips from 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.640 her show up through like the two thousands to the 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.880 modern era as we talk about her past, because I 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.040 would love to show you some of those very early 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.960 from the seventies and eighties radio clips, but they don't 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.920 exist anymore. The vast majority of her early career is 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:52.520 lost media. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.520 Jill Jill did not listen to this pot to her 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.480 radio show, Jamie Jamie's Mom. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.760 No, No, I feel lucky that my mom has a 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.120 pretty good radar for women who hate other women and 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.960 generally doesn't fuck with them. We were our radio personality 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.600 when I was growing up. Who I think is still 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.720 in the mix is Delilah. We were just like listening 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.160 to you know, and that wasn't even pretending to give 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.880 women advice. It was just people calling being like, hey, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.599 can I send you know a can we play a 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.520 Seline Dion song for my husband who hates me? And 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.440 Delilah's like, yes, queen, let's do it. And she's still 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.000 on the air. I loved her. She played a lot 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:39.520 of Leanne rhymes and Tracy Chapman, so that was my Yeah. 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.760 I feel like I kind of lucked out where I 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.320 never had to listen to doctor Laura. I feel like 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.680 she's inevitable you will encounter her, But no, I never 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.000 was around people who listened to her. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.280 I unfortunately did because we carpooled, and I always wanted 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.920 to be closest to the adult because I had anxiety, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.480 and there was definitely some doctor law that in my 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:07.679 childhood from various different adults driving to and from school. Robert, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.240 want to tell us your history. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.640 Yeah, so doctor Laura is still around and still doing 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.080 her thing, which is primarily kind of feeding our worst 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.960 impulses to want to feel like all of the people 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.840 around us are somehow not pulling their share. Right, This 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.480 is the impulse that a lot of conservatism works off of. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.360 But it's also pretty what you see it in a 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.560 lot of leftists. You see it in everybody, right, this 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.000 idea that like, somehow things are tough for me, and 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.800 I have this feeling that for other people they're easier, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.480 and that's not fair. There's somebody grifting off of me, 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.280 and they're you know, people feel this way because it's true, 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.840 and it's true because like, there's a tiny number of 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:53.480 incredibly wealthy people who exist and who make themselves wealthier, 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.480 sucking value out of the rest of us. Right, These 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.480 are the Jack Welch ass finance schools and stead jobs 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.840 want to bees who are financializing our lives to hell 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.920 and hollowing out this country for short term profit, doing 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.080 stuff like buying up businesses, loading them with debt, and 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.760 then you know, carrying out massive layoffs and reaping windfall 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.040 profits for basically destroying people's lives. 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:15.320 Right. 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:20.520 But it's it's you know, that's true that like, those 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.800 people are out there and they're not putting in the 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.600 same amount of work that you are, and they're kind 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.480 of ruining everything. But that's not immediately obvious to everybody. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.520 And the role, the valuable role that someone like doctor 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.440 Laura plays in our media ecosystem is coming in and saying, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.400 you're right to feel like somebody's taking advantage of you. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.440 And here I'm going to play a bunch of like 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:46.640 selectively curated audio of people who are having too many 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.880 kids that they can't support, or you know, getting loaded 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.160 up on debt or doing other irresponsible things, right, and 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.400 these are the people that you should you know, you 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.440 can spend some time today getting angry at these people 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.160 and then go about your day and I will throw 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.320 out some simple advice about how everyone just needs to 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.120 take more responsibility for themselves. 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:05.400 Right. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.840 That is where doctor Laura came into the picture. And 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.560 it's you know, she helps to establish she's not the 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.959 first person in this, but she comes in alongside the first, right, 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.960 she is a contemporary of Rush Limbaugh. He hits a 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.840 bit or like literally just a couple of years before 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.199 she does in terms of like becoming a major figure. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.160 Morton Downey Junior, who we've talked about on the show 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.760 was another major figure and like right around the same 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.920 period of time. And her job was to give a 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.320 lot of our moms, including my moms, people who had 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.560 hard lives, who were like angry and frustrated because shit 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:47.800 isn't fair, somebody to blame that was had no actual power, right, 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.959 and nothing really like that there was no harm to 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.760 the people who are like, you know, actually doing bad 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.320 shit in our world if this person gets targeted, right, 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.920 it's the same shit with like freaking out over well 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.480 fair moms, as opposed to corporate wage theft, which is 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.280 or freaking out over corporate or over shoplifting over like 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.560 corporate wage theft, which massively exceeds the value of everything's 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.320 shoplifted in this country by a factor Yeah, several times over. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:19.080 Everyone should shoplift. It's built into their budget to do. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:19.640 Yeah. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.480 And so when she's giving someone to blame, because I 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.360 feel like every generation has a figure like this for 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:29.160 women of like actually, I mean I feel like the 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.440 generation after it's different, but like Sheryl Sandberg feels like 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.400 a figure that is like, Oh, there is a clear 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:40.000 solution to this, and it's you're the problem, and you 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.680 just need to act wealthier than you are and like 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.880 forget any systemic oppression exists, and then you'll just. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.880 Lean into it, Whereas doctor Laura's argument would be like, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.120 you don't need to lean in. You need to quit 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:58.520 your job and raise your kids as Yeah, return to 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:02.360 traditional gender roles and somehow that will make things fine. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:02.800 Right. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.400 It was one of those I think because my mom 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.280 liked her so much. I remember her for a long time. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.240 She's part of the cultural background noise of the world 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.000 that I was raised in. Like when we would get 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.600 in the car, it would either be the car talk guys. 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.880 If it was my dad, who were broadly neutral, let's 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:24.640 sayral yes, click and clap, click and clap. The Tampa 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.800 Brothers I think was their name. Yeah, unbelievably midwestern. Probably 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.240 has a lot to do with my incredible Midwest appeal 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:35.080 to this day. And then there was doctor Laura, who 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.640 my mom loved. My mom was kind of a frustrated person, 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.440 like her entire first career plan had collapsed. She had 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.840 tried to start two businesses and they had collapsed. She 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.920 spent most of my early life in terrible debt and 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:53.160 feeling like her hard work had not been rewarded. And 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.400 I think she there was tremendous appeal to her and 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.200 finding people who were irresponsible and having this kind of 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.320 ARCon of conservative values. Doctor Laura yell at them because 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.600 she felt somehow like people like that were responsible for 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.560 her failures. Right that that's the impression that I have gotten. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.440 I didn't really at the time. You know, as a kid, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.560 I thought doctor Laura had had it all figured out, right, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.120 because my mom said that about her. Weirdly enough, like 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.720 me starting to reevaluate her happened when I watched a 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.320 Fraser episode at like age fourteen or fifteen. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:30.880 He's doing the work. 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:32.760 He did the work, he did the way. Thank you 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:38.000 Kelsey Robert, Thank you kel He was always listening. There's 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.760 a there's a great episode of Fraser where they parody 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.200 doctor Laura with a character named doctor Nora played by 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.120 the great Christine Baranski. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.320 Who was one I remember this. Oh my gosh, see 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:50.760 now you're talking about way. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.880 And I'm a huge Christine Baranski fan. Nobody, there's not 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.200 anybody today. He's got like a voice like that, and 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.360 he like, oh god, she was great. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.240 So oh, she's very much alive. She's with at Emmy's. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.400 I just saw her and Mamma Mia, here we go again. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:06.000 She's great. 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.560 I must just have been I hope she's living her 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.680 best life. I must just have missed the stuff she's 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.840 been doing more recently. But she's They did a good 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.960 episode about her, and it made me kind of because 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.040 the point of the episode is that, like, she gives 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.000 all this advice on how you should live your life 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.640 and has absolutely followed none of it, and it turns 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.560 out that's extremely accurate. Like the story of doctor Laura 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.879 is a woman who did the opposite of the things 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.480 that she advises women to do and gained tremendous wealth 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.639 and influence as a result of doing all of the 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.159 things she tells people not to do. She is the 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.400 clearest example I found of somebody finding a ladder up 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.520 and then cutting that ladder out like behind them, throwing 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:43.560 it down to the ground. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.040 That's fascinating, I mean, because yeah, there's so many flavors 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.800 of this kind of person where I feel like I 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.320 didn't have a doctor Laura in the background of my childhood, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.280 but I definitely hadn't had Oprah in the background of 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.600 my entire childhood, right, And like her, it felt more 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.440 like her whole thing was like, you are enough, except 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.040 not really, not. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.240 Really, you are enough, but you're too fat, Like yeah, 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:09.280 that's yeah, but you. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.520 Look like shit and you're doing every and like yeah, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.360 and and but but you know, I guess where they 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:19.280 kind of meet is the fear mongering around class and 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:20.760 around like there's just a. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.080 Lot of that. Yeah, And it's because of that that 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.800 I have have triangulated my own position as a cultural 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:31.680 influencer to you look like shit, but that's fine. Look 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.320 at the world. The world is not doing well enough 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:39.040 for you to owe it looking better than you do, right, Like, yeah, you. 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.679 Are enough, but make no mistake, you look fucking bad. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.280 You look like trash, but the world is trash, and 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.320 so like you. In a way, it's camouflage, right, It's. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:50.919 Important to blend the occasion. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.960 You're like one of those chameleons, right that can like, 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.200 blend into the tree behind them. It's a survival method. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:58.840 It keeps the birds from eating you. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.520 And I telling you that you need to look like shit, 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.520 listen to your body saying. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.679 It's yeah, yeah, help blend in, blend into the trash 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:16.000 fire around you. So, you know, I once I saw 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.280 that Frasier episode, I changed my mind on Doctor Laura more, 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.280 and I started to change my mind on a lot 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.280 of other stuff. It was, you know, it wasn't just 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.919 that World of Warcraft played a weirdly large role in that. 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.719 But I stopped really paying attention to doctor Laura when 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.399 I was like sixteen or seventeen, and as an adult, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.040 there wasn't really much of reason to pay attention to 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.400 her period, and so I hadn't really thought of her 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.159 in close to like about twenty years until I started 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.920 doing research for these episodes. So, like I normally do, 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.040 I just started like Google, I just googled her name 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.360 and popped on news right just to see, like, what 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:51.760 is there anything still happening? Like, I honestly didn't know 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.240 if she was alive when I started these episodes, and 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.560 the first thing I read about her as an adult 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.320 in the modern era were these lines from the opening 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:03.000 of a CNA article before she uttered the inWORD before 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.840 her remarks uncheated on wives. Before the controversies over homosexuality 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.040 and religion morality, Laura Slushinger was considered a breath of 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.600 fresh airh that's a lot. 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:15.560 That's a lead. 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:22.040 Yeah, wow, okay, and they should it shouldn't be inward, 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.159 it should be in words because she says it like 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:28.320 eleven times during the explosion on air. That kind of 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.440 lost her her job or caused her to quit her job. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.760 But that's also not quite what it sounds like. 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:35.520 And was was that recently? 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.520 This is that's twenty eleven, Jamie, Oh, that is so recent? 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:41.040 Wow? 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.480 But yes, also depends on what you consider recent. Yeah, 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.920 you can tell it's a while ago because she didn't 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.959 rebrand as like a canceled figure. She just kind of 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:55.879 like found a new got into podcasting. Like it's a 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.560 mix of She was clearly blazing a trail because that 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:00.520 is what a lot of other people did when they 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.040 got caught saying the N word right to start a podcast, 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.920 but she also didn't do like a real media campaign. 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.520 She's actually kind of interesting as a right wing figure. 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:15.399 She's never embraced the political side of conservatism to the 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:20.080 extent that is common for people who are similarly influential. Now, 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:23.919 I think it might just be that she got really 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:25.960